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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Justice Sodomayer says Trump will have

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Speaker 1: absolute power if the court overturns Humphrey's executor. We have

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Speaker 1: such a great show for you today that Jim Acosta

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Speaker 1: shows Jim Acasta stops by to talk about Trump versus

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green and the splintering of MAGA. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to The New York Times own Annie Carney about

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Speaker 1: women in Congress and the sexism they're facing, even Republicans.

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Speaker 2: But first the News Smile.

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Speaker 3: Since Congress voted to release the Epstein files, he judges

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Speaker 3: the word of the release of Jizlen Maxwell's grand jury records,

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Speaker 3: and they'll be heavily reducted to protect victims. But there's

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Speaker 3: probably going to be some interesting stuff here, since the

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Speaker 3: evidence seemed pretty wild when it was getting released back

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Speaker 1: Usually the grand jury material has the least information, so

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Speaker 1: we'll see. But I mean, certainly there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who want this stuff released. But I would say,

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Speaker 1: like the judge did say that the records would not

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Speaker 1: add to public knowledge, so it really feels like these

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Speaker 1: judges are releasing the stuff, but really the DOJ needs

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Speaker 1: to release and they had you know, the clock started

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Speaker 1: for thirty days after passing the Epstein Files Transparency Act,

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Speaker 1: so that was November nineteenth.

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Speaker 2: So it's coming up.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if this DOJ chooses not to release it.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is very possible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is the grad jury that had

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Speaker 3: a lot of the more fun drawings that we saw.

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Speaker 3: And apparently this grad jury did have a lot of

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Speaker 3: details of the testimony that people who were reporting on

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Speaker 3: had said that that was sealed. That was pretty wild.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens. But they should

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Speaker 1: release everything they can.

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Speaker 3: Yes, agreed. So Trump's very very strained economy is about

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Speaker 3: to see another self inflicted wound as they're going to

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Speaker 3: remove millions of student loan borrowers from the payment pause.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if those people just join ICE then

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Speaker 1: they can I'm kidding. This is like this really shitty

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Speaker 1: thing where we see Trump World punishing people. So these

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Speaker 1: student loans were paused and they're unpausing them. You know,

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Speaker 1: they want to take advantage of people. I mean, remember

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Speaker 1: this is an administration that has basically exists to give

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Speaker 1: the wealthy people a tax cut. So student loan borrowers,

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Speaker 1: you know, their student loans will be unpaused and they'll

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Speaker 1: have to start paying interest again. There are forty two

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Speaker 1: million Americans who hold student loans with outstanding debt exceeding

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. And it is really just like

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Speaker 1: unnecessary cruelty to these people. Well, I mean it's again,

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Speaker 1: it's this idea, this Adam Sober, it's this idea that

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Speaker 1: the cruelty is the point, right, Like this, doesn't you

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Speaker 1: know they're just redoing these student loans unpausing that I'm

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Speaker 1: making it harder for people. You already know Americans are

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Speaker 1: struggling with quote unquote affordability, which means inflation. That's code

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Speaker 1: for inflation. And Trump has done all these wildly inflationary

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Speaker 1: things and now he's unpausing student loung jets. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, just wait until the Obamacare premiums go away.

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Speaker 3: Oh that sounds so fun, speaking of so the Obamacare

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Speaker 3: in the latest Gallop pol is more popular than ever,

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Speaker 3: a new pole finds. I think this is very interesting

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Speaker 3: because the deadline to choose a plan for many of

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Speaker 3: which is not from the Obamacare, the premiums are just skyrocketing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was the reason that we had this shutdown, right,

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Speaker 2: Way, way up.

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Speaker 1: And Trump is already like unpopular, He's already in a

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Speaker 2: So what is he going to do is going to

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, this is another inflationary

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Speaker 1: like unpausing the student debt. None of this needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: These are all self inflicted wounds that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 3: Okay, my, let's get into some inner party politics. As

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Speaker 3: we know, the Republicans are at real disarray right now.

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Speaker 3: But this is the first time I've really seen Democrats

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Speaker 1: So we'll see right this is going to be taller

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Speaker 1: Rico versus Crockett. I think the conventional wisdom here of

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Speaker 1: if she can win a primary, she can win a general.

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Speaker 1: If she can't win the primary, she won't win the general.

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Speaker 1: no problem winning the primary. And I don't think that

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Speaker 2: But no, he really knows right, And a lot of

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Speaker 1: Also, what's happening on the Republican side in this race

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Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, Paxton is really insane. The two of them

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Speaker 1: Teller Rico is this boy wonder, which we've had him

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Speaker 2: We've had Jasmin on this podcast, we thought she was great.

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Speaker 1: If he's this boy genius who can really do it

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Speaker 1: I think the idea of not doing primaries because somehow

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Speaker 1: See why people need to run interference. Over at our

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics. Now I get to interview you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. Perfect lest work for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a lot to know.

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Speaker 1: Trump had tweeted about her. Yes, she had then shown

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Speaker 1: I cannot begin to quantify. Those numbers were humo. I

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Speaker 5: reaction to all this is can be summed up as fight, fight, fight,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two thirty million dollars, two hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Does that strike me that her anti Israel stance

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm guessing that the whole plight of the Palestinian

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Speaker 5: putting all that aside and all of the different rabbit

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Speaker 5: rolling out the red carpet to welcome MTG to the resistance,

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Speaker 5: to somebody. I remember in the run up to January sixth,

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Speaker 1: I want I want to talk to you about something important.

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Speaker 1: So Punchball News Jake Scharman, the woman's Anna Palmer have

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Speaker 1: this congressional newsletter podcast. It's actually I think really good.

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Speaker 1: Now that Politico has become whatever it is, you really

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Speaker 1: That was mean, but but but really needed as I

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Speaker 5: to face with Vladimir Putin, which I know made everybody

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Speaker 5: around the world feel so much better about you know.

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Speaker 2: Trump Milan.

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Speaker 5: He was a represented of the Trump Royal Court. Yea, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they're at the Kremlin when he met with Vladimir Putin.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, you know, it is sort of a

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Speaker 5: perfect encapsulation, a perfect crystallization of where we are right

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Speaker 5: now as a country in terms of our media. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I've been saying this for months. Corporate media is in

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Speaker 5: a lousy place right now. When we have a system

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Speaker 5: in this country where these giant companies own the news organizations,

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Speaker 5: the most prominent news organizations in the country, and then

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Speaker 5: they can be held over the barrel by the President

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Speaker 5: of the United States. That is not a free press,

452
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Speaker 5: that is not an independent news media. And I think

453
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Speaker 5: people need to wake up to that reality. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we are just not living in that world anymore. And

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Speaker 5: you know, yes it is. We can all snicker about

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Speaker 5: Jared Kushner being potentially part of this deal to buy

457
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Speaker 5: Warner Brothers Discovery, but at the same time it should

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Speaker 5: send a chill down to all of our spines because

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Speaker 5: a member of the Trump family owning that much media

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Speaker 5: in this country feels very putent, like it feels very

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Speaker 5: early days Putin in the Russian Federation. And you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, I both talk to people like Ruth

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Speaker 5: BEng Guillot and people who are experts and authoritarianism, and

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Speaker 5: they will tell you of people like an Applebaum and

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Speaker 5: so on, that that the pace that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 5: on right now, despite his cognitive cline and naps and

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Speaker 5: everything else, is much faster than Vladimir Putin in his pace. YEA.

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Speaker 5: Consolidating power and taking over the media is part of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would say the problem with Trump

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Speaker 1: is not so much that he's taking over the media

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Speaker 1: as the media is giving itself over to trust.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's that, there's no question, but it's almost two

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Speaker 5: separate things, right, I mean, the bending of the knee

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Speaker 5: issue that we saw with ABC paying its bribe to

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump and CBS paying it's bribe donald Trump. That

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Speaker 5: is one thing. But we have something sort of and

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Speaker 5: I've said this before, that Trump has cracked the code

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Speaker 5: and how to hurt the press in this country, and

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Speaker 5: that he has revealed vulnerabilities that we I don't think

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Speaker 5: fully appreciated up until this point. That you could cause mischief,

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Speaker 5: You could cause a lot of chaos in these mergers

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Speaker 5: and acquisitions with these media companies in a way that

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Speaker 5: brings them to heal, that puts them over a barrel

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Speaker 5: and creates kind of leverage that we're not accustomed to

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Speaker 5: seeing in this country, and I think it's very disturbing.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, just today, Trump was threatening to sue

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Speaker 5: sixty Minutes again or go after CBS because of some

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Speaker 5: interview with.

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Speaker 1: Margine Marjorie Taylor Green. He was mad about that. Marjorie

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Speaker 1: Taylor Green, I want to talk to you about that,

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Speaker 1: because I think that's kind of incredible. So Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: was mad about Marjorie Taylor Green and he was upset

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Speaker 1: that she had that she had done this sixty Minutes interview.

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Speaker 1: And it was like it was, I feel like a

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Speaker 1: great moment because we saw that Donald Trump, like your paramount,

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Speaker 1: had done so much to suck up to Donald Trump exactly.

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Speaker 1: They had just done everything they could, and yet it

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Speaker 1: wasn't enough.

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Speaker 5: That's right, and I mean it underlines the point that

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Speaker 5: you and I were just making. Yes, this construct that

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Speaker 5: we have of corporate media in this country is bad,

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Speaker 5: and it's been exposed by Trump and so on. But

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Speaker 5: you know the idea that CBS, you know, pays this bribe,

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Speaker 5: pays this bullshit settlement to Trump, and they think, gosh,

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Speaker 5: you know, we got Donald Trump off our case. He's

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Speaker 5: not mad at us anymore. It never works, It's never

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Speaker 5: going to work. And these these cowardly media executives who

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Speaker 5: tell themselves in these boardrooms, my goodness, well if we

509
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Speaker 5: just give them fifteen million dollars, he'll shut the hell up.

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Speaker 5: They just don't understand how Donald Trump operates. What you've

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Speaker 5: done is just give the monster more food, and eventually

512
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Speaker 5: the monster will want more food. And I just don't understand.

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Speaker 5: These are supposed to be smart people running these media companies,

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Speaker 5: and really they're just craven cow words. They're they've they've

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Speaker 5: been able to manipulate their way into these positions, but

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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, they're just goddamn cowards.

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Speaker 5: And the only way out of this for the media

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Speaker 5: in this country is for these gutless executives to find

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Speaker 5: their damn spines and stand the hell up to this guy. Honestly.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just to me, you know why. You know,

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Speaker 5: somebody I saw to give credit to Shuck Schumer. I

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Speaker 5: think he was saying the other day that now he

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Speaker 5: wants to, you know, go after CBS over the way

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Speaker 5: they edited the Trump interview. Yeah, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: there's Trump is He's He's just a shameless He's a shister,

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Speaker 5: you know. And and why these companies don't see that,

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Speaker 5: to me is just really it's astounding. But we see

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Speaker 5: FEFA giving Trump a participation peace price, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, these they're all soccer piece.

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Speaker 5: It's just so it's so appalling and grotesque.

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Speaker 2: Jim Acosta, will you come back anytime? Would love to.

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Speaker 1: Annie Karney is the White House correspondent for the New

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Speaker 1: York Times. Welcome to Fast Politics, Anny Carney, Hello, Molly,

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Speaker 1: you do this beat? You've done many beats. We' knew

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Speaker 1: you from other beats, but I think you may have

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Speaker 1: hit a beat that is uniquely interesting and at a

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Speaker 1: very unique and interesting and strange moment. When did you

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Speaker 1: get to Congress twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it.

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Speaker 1: Feels like the Mike Johnson Congress is a completely strange

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Speaker 1: and new animal discuss.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you know, I think that I have recently

543
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Speaker 4: stumbled on a beat within a beat, which is these women,

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Speaker 4: and these Republican women. They're kind of the gift that

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Speaker 4: keeps on giving. I wrote a book last year, No,

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Speaker 4: it was this year, god where Marjorie Taylor Green and

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Speaker 4: Lauren Bobert elis Stephonic Nancy Mays were all kind of

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Speaker 4: characters I followed, and they have proved those have proven

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Speaker 4: to be worthy investments because they have been at the

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Speaker 4: center of pushing back against Johnson, pushing to against Trump.

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Speaker 4: They were worth worth my time. It turns out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the players in this I was about to ask

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Speaker 1: you who the players were, and I think you've covered

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Speaker 1: it nicely. All of these women, though they are pushing

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Speaker 1: back against Johnson, but all have very different motivations. So first,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Marjorie Taylor Green, because I think she

557
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Speaker 1: is the sort of loudest of the crew.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. She's the loudest and sort

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Speaker 4: of the most interesting political arc that she's been on.

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Speaker 4: She's a person who only exists in Congress because Donald

561
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Speaker 4: Trump exists. Like this is not a person who transformed

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Speaker 4: herself to meet this moment, Like she discovered politics through

563
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Speaker 4: the QAnon conspiracy theory. Like she's a true believer. She

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Speaker 4: got stripped of her committees, her own colleagues wanted to

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Speaker 4: distance themselves from her. Trump himself did not endorse her

566
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Speaker 4: in her twenty twenty primary. So she gets here. She's

567
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Speaker 4: like far far right outside the mainstream, but like always

568
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Speaker 4: Trump's biggest cheerleader, and he liked her, and it just

569
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Speaker 4: seemed like she would say racist things. She was support

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Speaker 4: him no matter what. It just no one would have

571
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Speaker 4: predicted that the break with Trump, the person who's going

572
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Speaker 4: to really stand up to Trump in a meaningful way

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Speaker 4: would be Marjorie Taylor Green. She really starts breaking with

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Speaker 4: him on Epstein. As we saw, she's obsessed with the

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Speaker 4: fact that she won her twenty twenty eight primary without Trump,

576
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Speaker 4: like that really gave her this I don't need him since.

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Speaker 4: So when the White House starts pressuring all the Republicans

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Speaker 4: to not sign on to this petition to force a vote,

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Speaker 4: she's like, f.

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Speaker 1: That this is a discharge petition to release the Ebstein files.

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Speaker 4: Right, And then you know what I think happens with

582
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Speaker 4: these people, Like once you break on something big, they're

583
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Speaker 4: like the veil comes off the eyes, and like you

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Speaker 4: start to break on other things too. And I think

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Speaker 4: that that is sort of like she broke with him

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Speaker 4: on a number of issues where she's breaking with him

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Speaker 4: from the right America, first on Israel AI and then

588
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Speaker 4: she just gets this chip, this feminist chip on her

589
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Speaker 4: shoulder where she's like men and my party treat women terribly.

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Speaker 2: Like unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: And then it's like she's pissed at the good old

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Speaker 4: boys club. She's just mad. And I do feel like

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Speaker 4: a common thing with all these women is they're just

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Speaker 4: mad at how they're being treated. She announces that she's

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Speaker 4: leaving Congress, which is a shock, and like i've there's

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Speaker 4: just no notice, satisfying answer to why she's doing this.

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Speaker 2: So that's MTG. Now explain to me, Lauren Baupert.

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Speaker 1: And also, I think we need to talk about the

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Speaker 1: one who has the discharge petition about congressional stock trading,

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Speaker 1: Anna Paulina Luna, because that's bizarre too.

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Speaker 4: She's this far right congresswoman from Florida. It's kind of

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Speaker 4: weird that she's so far right because unlike MTG, like

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Speaker 4: her district is not that far right. So she's always

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Speaker 4: like she's not like super vulnerable. She's on the she's

605
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Speaker 4: not like a person like Marjorie who would have had

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Speaker 4: tenure for life in Congress that she had wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Luna like gets challengers.

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Speaker 1: And Luna was involved in this thing about nursing on

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Speaker 1: the house Flora like even though she's very far right.

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Speaker 2: She's got things she needs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which that's that's good to bring up now when

612
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Speaker 4: we're talking about like why the women are so mad.

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Speaker 4: She tried to work with Democrats to do a bill

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Speaker 4: where you could have remote proxy voting for maternity leave,

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Speaker 4: so that when you're like thirty nine weeks pregnant or

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Speaker 4: have a six week old, you can vote by proxy

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Speaker 4: and not have to either let your constituents down by

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Speaker 4: missing votes or haul your baby to the House floor

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Speaker 4: with you and travel with a newborn right now is

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Speaker 4: their options. And Mike Johnson killed that, even though Trump

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Speaker 4: had sided with Luna. This was one time when Mike

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Speaker 4: Johnson got Trump to get out of his side. Mike

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Speaker 4: Johnson killed that. So he already has pissed off women,

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Speaker 4: like on a number of issues. Now. Anna Coulinolan is

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Speaker 4: back with a new petition to ban members from training stock.

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Speaker 4: This is a issue that's like broadly popular with Democrats

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Speaker 4: and Republicans' populist issue that Mike Johnson has been holding

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Speaker 4: up from coming to the floor for a vote.

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Speaker 1: So Democrats have also held this issue.

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Speaker 2: Up from Pelosi.

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Speaker 1: Pelosi oddly did not want to vote on this issue,

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Speaker 1: which is Strange Pelosi.

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Speaker 4: It was a huge issue for her.

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Speaker 1: Paul loved to trade the stocks.

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Speaker 4: Paul did love to trade the stocks, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Made a lot of money trading the stocks.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I'm working on a store on that right now. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: these people would keep going around Johnson because they don't

639
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Speaker 4: have respect for him. They don't think he's that powerful.

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Speaker 4: They are not afraid to publicly challenge him, either by

641
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Speaker 4: disparaging him in the media or just going around his

642
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Speaker 4: leadership by getting a discharge petition to try and bring

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Speaker 4: votes to the floor that he does not want there.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of the have being led by the women.

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Speaker 1: Discharge petitions just explained us the math because right now

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Speaker 1: there are a bunch and before the Epstein one passed,

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Speaker 1: one hadn't actually passed in like seven years, right, They're.

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Speaker 4: Really rare, Okay. So the way the House works is

649
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Speaker 4: the speaker has total control of what comes to the

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Speaker 4: floor for a vote. The only way a rank and

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Speaker 4: file member can get a bill to the floor that

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Speaker 4: the speaker doesn't want there is by getting two hundred

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Speaker 4: and eighteen members to sign in a petition to bring

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Speaker 4: it to the floor. That's a lot because that's a majority.

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Speaker 4: That means you need Democrats and Republicans. That's hard in

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Speaker 4: this moment that we live in. So it's really hard

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Speaker 4: to get two hundred eighteen signatures on something that. Oh

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Speaker 4: and you're only doing this if your own leadership, you know,

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Speaker 4: is against it. So you're going around leadership, So they're

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Speaker 4: going to be like whipping votes against you if you're

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Speaker 4: trying to do this. So it's really hard. But we saw,

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Speaker 4: you know, they succeeded on Epstein under immense pressure, and

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Speaker 4: Johnson had to do something he had been really trying

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Speaker 4: not to do and bring that to the floor for

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Speaker 4: our vote. So I think they're empowered to kind of

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Speaker 4: keep screwing with him, and if they get the votes

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Speaker 4: on this, it's just'll just be another embarrassment for the speaker.

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Speaker 1: So Representative Luna has a discharge petition against congressional stock trading.

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Speaker 1: Is she catching any kind of.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's getting. I mean, look, this is it's a

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Speaker 4: good issue to do a discharge on because AOC and

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Speaker 4: Chip Roy both are four banning members from trading stocks.

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Speaker 4: It really appeals to the far left of the far right.

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Speaker 4: It's something that could get bypars and support. It's one

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Speaker 4: of the top reasons people like don't trust Congress hate Congress.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that's a good issue for a

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Speaker 4: discharge to pick up steam.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Stavonic next, because she had a big

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Speaker 1: Twitter fight with leader.

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Speaker 4: Explain you always know Congress is functioning when they're having

681
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Speaker 4: Twitter fights. That's always a good sign. At least. Stephanic

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Speaker 4: is a member of House leadership, so she's different from

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Speaker 4: these other ones we've been talking about, and leadership usually

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Speaker 4: doesn't attack leadership. Usually like some loud voice, a rank

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Speaker 4: and file person can attack leadership, and you understand why

686
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Speaker 4: that's happening, but leadership versus leadership is like a different

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Speaker 4: level of dysfunction. So she attacks him, calling him a

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Speaker 4: liar because he's blocking some provisions she wants in the

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Speaker 4: defense spending bill, and she calls him a habitual liar

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Speaker 4: on Twitter, which is like it's a lot, that's a

691
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Speaker 4: lot of infighting, bringing in the public, not doing anonymous sources,

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Speaker 4: just like straight on attacking him. And then she said,

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Speaker 4: this is like exactly what we've wanted to expect from

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Speaker 4: the speaker who's constantly falling down on our agenda. So

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Speaker 4: it's like aggressive. Then she gets Trump to intervene and

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Speaker 4: they have a three D way phone call and she

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Speaker 4: gets her way.

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Speaker 1: But Stefanic has really gotten screwed by Trump. She has

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Speaker 1: he put her at the UN and then he changed

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Speaker 1: his mind.

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Speaker 4: First he appoints it to the UN ambassador. She loses

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Speaker 4: that because he can't afford to lose another seat in

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Speaker 4: the House because the margins are so small, so he

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Speaker 4: pulls it. Then to add insult into injury, She's running

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Speaker 4: for governor in New York now, and her whole campaign

706
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Speaker 4: is based on calling mom Donnie like a scary socialist, a.

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Speaker 2: Ge hottest socialist.

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Speaker 4: Right, and then he has him in for like that

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Speaker 4: bizarre love best and the oh hoole just oh and

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Speaker 4: was asked specifically like a last Stefanic has been calling

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Speaker 4: him a gie hottis and Trump's like, no, no, no, that's

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Speaker 4: not true.

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Speaker 1: Even worse, he said, you just have to say stuff

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Speaker 1: like that from the campaign, like she doesn't even believe.

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Speaker 4: It totally undercuts her anyway. She can't. What she has

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Speaker 4: done is totally blamed Mike Johnson for failure of her

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Speaker 4: cabinet nomination. She's saying that he undermined her from the beginning.

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Speaker 4: He told Trump, don't let her out of the house.

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Speaker 4: I need the votes. And a lot of her colleagues

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Speaker 4: in my story, like her colleagues said this to me

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Speaker 4: on the record, that like she can't blame Trump, so

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Speaker 4: she's blaming Johnson anyway, and they think that, like this

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Speaker 4: is really just personal, like she's just so mad that

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Speaker 4: this happened to her. Whatever the point is, she feels

725
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Speaker 4: like the only way to actually communicate with him is

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Speaker 4: by going to the media or going to Twitter and

727
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Speaker 4: attacking him, and then she got what she wanted. She

728
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Speaker 4: doesn't feel like she can actually speak to him in private.

729
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Speaker 4: That relationship is totally combusted. So the only way they

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Speaker 4: seem to communicate is at least a phonic attacking him

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Speaker 4: Trump intervening, Mike Johnson relenting and anyway. It's another woman

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Speaker 4: that she thinks they're going to lose the house. She

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Speaker 4: thinks he has no strategy. I think that, like we

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Speaker 4: have to be aware of her motivations these personal issues,

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Speaker 4: like that doesn't take away from the fact that she's

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Speaker 4: saying statements that are true. He told The Wall Street

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Speaker 4: Journal last week in an interview, Like if there's a

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Speaker 4: speaker vote today, he wouldn't have the votes to be speaking.

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Speaker 4: I think that's also true statement. So she's being motivated

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Speaker 4: by whatever personal things. But she is spitting truths as they.

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Speaker 1: Say, unbelievable now. Lauren Bobert, Yeah, Bobert is a maverick.

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Speaker 4: Bobert is the one of these people that least wants

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Speaker 4: to be known. Like, she does not talk to us.

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Speaker 4: She does not talk to anybody. All the others really do.

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Speaker 4: She's got a chip on her shoulder. She doesn't play

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Speaker 4: the game. Like Marjorie Taylor Green learned to play the

747
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Speaker 4: game over the years she's been here, tried the inside game,

748
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Speaker 4: she tried the outside game. She learned to work the media.

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Speaker 4: She learned to talk to reporters in the hallway at

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Speaker 4: the Congress. She kind of came to underst that, like

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Speaker 4: in the reporting environment of Congress, like talking to reporters

752
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Speaker 4: is part of the job, and Lauren bober does not

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Speaker 4: do that. She has never kind of evolved in that

754
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Speaker 4: way over the years that she's been here. She still

755
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Speaker 4: does not think it's part of the job. She still shirk,

756
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Speaker 4: like runs away. So I was really interested that she

757
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Speaker 4: held firm on the Epstein vote because she was under

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Speaker 4: immen's pressure. Trump was calling her personally. They brought her

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Speaker 4: the situation room to meet with Pam Bondy and Cashtail

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Speaker 4: for like an exclusive briefing. I'm sure Lauren Bober has

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Speaker 4: never been in this situation room before. She was one

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Speaker 4: of the deciding votes there. And what I noticed in

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Speaker 4: the days afterwards, she really other ones kind of leaned

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Speaker 4: into I mean clearly Green leaned into breaking with Trump,

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Speaker 4: saying I'm real America. First, Lauren Bober quickly tried to

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Speaker 4: touch things up, like she tried to make a look

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Speaker 4: there was no gaylight like, of course me and Trump

768
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Speaker 4: both want the same thing. She did not want that

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Speaker 4: distance between her and the administration. But I think what

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Speaker 4: that speaks to it comes back to Mike's Johnson's mistake

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Speaker 4: a little bit, because that vote came after they were

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Speaker 4: home for eight weeks, because he sent the house all

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Speaker 4: during the government shutdown for eight weeks. And I was

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Speaker 4: told by my sources that all Lauren Bobergert heard for

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Speaker 4: eight weeks when she was home from her voters was

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Speaker 4: thank you for staying strong on Epstein, We're with you

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Speaker 4: the air whoops, thank you, like do not back down.

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Speaker 4: Don't like no, she went. Did she hear like, you're

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Speaker 4: getting in Trump's way, You're not being loyal? She heard,

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Speaker 4: You're where we want you to be, So that I

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Speaker 4: think strengthened her resolve to not be cowed by Trump anyway. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: So I think that again goes to like the mismanagement

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Speaker 4: some of Johnson's dismanagement.

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Speaker 1: Right, if he hadn't sent everyone home, they wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: spent so much time with their constituents, right, And what

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Speaker 1: they really.

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Speaker 4: Heard from their constituents was that it was clear cut

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Speaker 4: that this was a popular vote with their constituents.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Nancy Mays. Because Nancy Mays is

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Speaker 1: she was crying in the hallway. She had this problem,

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Speaker 1: was her ex fiance. What's happening?

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Speaker 4: She's been all over the map politically, and it's hard

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Speaker 4: at this point to take what she says as being

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Speaker 4: something genuine because seems to be very much like finger

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Speaker 4: in the wind or trying to gain intention. What I've

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Speaker 4: come to understand of Nancy Mace's philosophy of being in

797
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Speaker 4: politics is that people need to know your name. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter why, it doesn't matter if they like you,

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Speaker 4: They just need to know who you are, and that's

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Speaker 4: what drives her. A lot of the time. She tracks

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Speaker 4: her own name recognition and that's pretty much all she tracks.

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Speaker 4: So like, that's a good way to think about when

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Speaker 4: you see her in the news. To her, it's all

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Speaker 4: being in the news equals votes. I think that's a

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Speaker 4: little simplistic, but anyway, that's how she thinks about it.

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Speaker 4: That being said, she her entire political brand has been

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Speaker 4: built on being a survivor of sexual assault fourteen when

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Speaker 4: she was sixteen. She's accused her ex fiancee of like

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Speaker 4: horrible things, drugging and raping her and other women. He

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Speaker 4: has denied all that an he's sooner too right, It's

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Speaker 4: very messy. But saying that, like, if there's one thing

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Speaker 4: that she has not moved on that seems to be

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Speaker 4: driven out of actual like personal trauma, it's her views

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Speaker 4: on like women being sexually abused. And so this Epstein

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Speaker 4: thing was really even for someone like Mace who she

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Speaker 4: looks She's running for governor right now in South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: She could certainly use Trump's endorsement in that race. She

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Speaker 4: risked BA for sure by going against him on the

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Speaker 4: Epstein petition. But if there's one issue where she seems

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Speaker 4: to really be driven by her own experience and is

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Speaker 4: not going to move, it was this one. And she

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Speaker 4: didn't to her This is very very personal, and we

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Speaker 4: saw that picture of her crying after meeting with the

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Speaker 4: Epstein victims. It was a pretty raw Yeah. So again,

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Speaker 4: oh and she is. I reported last week that she

826
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Speaker 4: is so fed up with Johnson and the way he's

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Speaker 4: handling everything that she wants to go meet with Green

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Speaker 4: and talk about resigning early.

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Speaker 1: Also right, right, right, And then she denied it for

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Speaker 1: you know, who knows.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like going to say that, Like I felt

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Speaker 4: very confident that reporting. I don't think she'll actually go

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Speaker 4: through with it.

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Speaker 1: But she did say it. Yeah, Annie Carney, will you

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Speaker 1: come back.

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Speaker 4: Of course anytime?

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Speaker 2: Always no perfect, Jesse.

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Speaker 3: Cannon, my job fast. So there is blockbuster reporting. The

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Speaker 3: New York Times has it, more perfect Union has it.

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Speaker 3: Instacart has been price fixing within their app to different

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Speaker 3: users and using algorithmic pricing. This is a thing that

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Speaker 3: lead to Cod's FTC previously is stopped with other fields

843
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Speaker 3: and this seems like a real nightmare for the affordability

844
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Speaker 3: crisis that Donald Trump is pretending isn't happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, this is like why you want to have antitrust,

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Speaker 1: why you want to have a government that protects people.

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Speaker 1: But this is for sure what this administration does not

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Speaker 1: want to do. So you're going to have situations like this.

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Speaker 1: Not super surprised by it, but it is quite shitty

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Speaker 1: to see that instacart is charging different prices in different

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Speaker 1: places and serge pricing for eggs. You know, it's just

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Speaker 1: completely insane. I mean, I just think it's corrupt. And

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Speaker 1: the problem is that when things are corrupt, you stop

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Speaker 1: trusting the government, right, you have voters stop trusting it.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's quite shitty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, we had Tim Moo on our last

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Speaker 3: episode who wrote this wonderful book called The Age of

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Speaker 3: Extraction that really talks about this, that what we're about

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Speaker 3: to see is nar where all these subscription companies, all

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Speaker 3: these companies that do things like this, are going to

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Speaker 3: find ways to extract every dollar out of the consumer.

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Speaker 3: And that's not going to go so well when everybody's

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Speaker 3: talking about inflation and how affordability is going down. And

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Speaker 3: I think we know who's going to get less popular

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Speaker 3: from it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to him getting less popular, but it seems likely.

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Speaker 3: He's right on his way to that end of the

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Speaker 3: George W. Bush second term numbers exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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