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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: This is It could Happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis Toda'm

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Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong. This episode, we are covering the

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Speaker 2: week of July eighth to July fifteenth. A totally different

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Speaker 2: war in Iran has started. God and Ice has killed

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Speaker 2: two people this week. James Stout will have a segment

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Speaker 2: on that later this episode, but let's start with a

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Speaker 2: few small things. Mitch McConnell has entered into a pact

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Speaker 2: with the demon Methastopheles, who extend his life in exchange

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Speaker 2: for the death of another. In other news, four term

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Speaker 2: Senator Lindsey Graham has died following what his office calls

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Speaker 2: a quote unquote brief and sudden illness.

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Speaker 3: I want to I want to take two seconds to

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Speaker 3: speak ill of the man. So I found this out

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Speaker 3: from Sophie messaging us in the group chat, and I

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Speaker 3: fully read the title of the article and clicked on it,

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Speaker 3: and I fully read the words Lindsay Graham, and my

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Speaker 3: brain went, well, obviously it's Mitch McConnell.

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Speaker 2: Someone made a typo or something in the headline.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't even like I thought there was a typo.

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Speaker 3: It's like, fully, my brain refused to process that it

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Speaker 2: What a bait and switch though, like an incredible an

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Speaker 2: incredible week and Senate politics, Yeah, oh my god, completely wild.

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Speaker 3: The second thing I want to say ill of him

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Speaker 3: was there's a very funny Axios thing where he's talking

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Speaker 3: he can't die because he has to do like terroriffs

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Speaker 3: and then also specifically he has to do Israel Saudi

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Speaker 2: He has to establish yeah, Israel's Israel Saudi relationship. And

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Speaker 2: this is this is I.

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Speaker 3: Think, how how he should go out being remembered, which

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Speaker 2: Right now, we're up there too.

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Speaker 2: On Saturday night, EMS responded to a call for quote

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Speaker 2: unquote cardiac arrest at Graham's Capitol Hill home, according to

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Speaker 2: police scanner audio, and on Sunday, Graham's office announced the

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Speaker 2: preliminary cause of death was a rupture of his iorda

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Speaker 2: due to a hardening of his arteries. That same day,

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Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell posted a photo holding Today's a newspaper. On Monday,

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Speaker 2: Trump went on Newsmax to say that Graham's death actually

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Speaker 2: wasn't related to his artery problems, and instead he died

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Speaker 2: of heart complications. Quote A certain part of his body

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Speaker 3: You have any suspicions or worries?

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Speaker 2: Do you think we know the whole story about his death?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we do.

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Speaker 5: We've had great doctors and they talked about, you know,

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Speaker 3: Body literally blew up.

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Speaker 5: And that's a condition I believe his father had.

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Speaker 2: Also, his father also had the part of body blows

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Speaker 3: God, I part of me hopes that there is a

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Speaker 3: hell and that Lindsay Graham is looking up like in

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Speaker 3: hell and seeing that this is what Donald Trump, the

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Speaker 2: And to his day, Trump addressed some whirling conspiracy theories

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Speaker 2: around Graham's death, whether or not he was poisoned by

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Speaker 2: and Trump just said, quote, I know there's all sorts

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Speaker 2: Now that's in reference to a post made by Cash

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Speaker 2: Fattel following Graham's death, which was mostly like an ordinary

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Speaker 2: I was talking with Molly Conger about this earlier this week,

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Speaker 2: It just you have to like comment on everything and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like part of the consequences is that, like

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Speaker 3: But like, no, he's just old.

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Speaker 2: No, his body just literally blew up. Now, following Lindsey

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Speaker 2: Graham's death, his sister, Darlene Graham Nordon, was appointed by

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Speaker 2: this extremely baffling shit. It's pretty remarkable. Lindsay Graham had

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Speaker 2: actually just won the Republican nomination for his fifth term,

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Speaker 2: but now South Carolina will hold a special election next

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Speaker 2: month to select a new nominee, Nancy Masistner hat into

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Speaker 2: the rank. We'll see if anything comes to that. So

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Speaker 2: week was off to kind of an okay start, I guess.

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Speaker 2: In other news, in a three hundred and eight to

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Speaker 2: make daylight savings time permanent nationwide. The bill supported by Trump,

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Speaker 2: and if passed by the Senate, it would end the

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Speaker 2: twice a year clock changes. Pack it up, folks. Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden sat down with Nick Fuentes on Andrew Callahan's Channel

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Speaker 2: five podcasts this week. Oh God, legitimate nightmare, blunt rotation.

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Speaker 2: I've never been on the pro Hunter Biden train, No,

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Speaker 2: But hopefully this will stop the whole Hunter Biden's stan

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Speaker 3: there have been a Serie a's those sexual assault allegations

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Speaker 3: to make it clear that he is. Yes, this is

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Speaker 3: absolutely his crowd. In some better news, the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: is abandoning a proposed rule change to block Medicare and

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Speaker 3: trans youth. Over thirty thousand comments were submitted following the

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Speaker 3: proposal last December. Medical groups like the American Medical Association

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Speaker 3: The vast majority of those thirty thousand comments were against

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Speaker 2: This is good, This is a good thing. This was

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Speaker 2: a big threat that prompted hospitals to comply in advance,

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Speaker 2: and they should not have done that, and that is bad.

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Speaker 2: And we still don't know if those hospitals will reinstate care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and they should still be pressured yep. And

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Speaker 2: obviously the administration is still going after trans youth care specifically,

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Speaker 2: they're still trying to go after patient records and are

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Speaker 2: targeting specific hospitals with criminal subpoenas. Not all the subpoenas

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Speaker 2: have been successful, but this is good news about this

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Speaker 2: On Friday, Fergie Chambers, self styled quote unquote anti imperialist, communist,

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Speaker 2: and multimillion dollar air to the Cox family fortune, was

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Speaker 2: detained in Ibiza, Spain under requests from the US Justice Department,

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Speaker 2: and is being charged with international money laundering with intent

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Speaker 2: to provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations likely Hamas.

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Speaker 2: The past few years, Chambers has donated millions to pro

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Speaker 2: This is a political prosecution. Whether or not you like

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Speaker 2: Spain has like forty days to decide if they're going

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Speaker 2: to comply with the extradition request, and Chambers has a

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Speaker 2: in the tension. Speaking of international far left terrorism, on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: July sixteenth, Marco Rubia will be holding an international meeting

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Speaker 2: at the State Department focused on the threat of Antifa

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Speaker 2: So we are recording this BEFO for the summit is

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Speaker 2: may report on it later on Yeah. In more Mark

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Speaker 2: Rubio News, Secretary of State Mark Rubio announced on Monday

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Speaker 2: that the United States is launching a campaign to dismantle

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Speaker 3: We're not even in it. We're not even in the ICC.

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Speaker 2: The ICC has has attracted the eye of conservatives. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: use quote all the tools at our government's disposal to

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Speaker 2: penned an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, which

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Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court, And I'll quote from from the

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Speaker 2: against the Trump administration's deportation of violent criminals to El Salvador.

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Speaker 2: Months later, a former ICC chief prosecutor declared President Trump's

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Speaker 2: of quote unquote apparent war crimes committed by American personneloe

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Speaker 6: Iron has declared this trait of horror moves closed. Is

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Speaker 5: Don't talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Talk about the reason that you.

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Speaker 7: Asked me to speak.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh boy, incredible journalism on display at CNN. Tapper

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Speaker 6: Well, I know you don't want to talk about any

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Speaker 4: You, sir.

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Speaker 3: We'll do that.

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Speaker 7: In a normal path, and we'll do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm a good little boy, mister president. Please please please

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Speaker 4: Hi, everyone, it's me James. I am calling in from

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Speaker 4: with full ferocity to their campaign of attacks against Southern Kurdistan.

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Speaker 5: And then next week it gets really bad for them,

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Speaker 4: All right, And now we're going to move on to

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Speaker 4: another really heartbreaking story. Ice has killed three Americans this week,

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Speaker 4: There was not in the video what I perceived to

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Speaker 3: I tried to stop, and then the suv hit him again,

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Speaker 7: His face was bloody, his head was bloody, and I

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Speaker 4: It appears dur Angurero's family witnesses shooting, which is heartbreaking. Reporting.

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Speaker 4: But if we're going to make claims about that status,

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Speaker 4: So let's be clear about this. He was authorized to

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Speaker 4: added quote. The officer involved in fatal shooting in Maine

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Speaker 4: was hired by ISIS year from the Department of Veterans

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Speaker 4: Affairs Police, According to a senior official. The officer has

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Speaker 4: worked in federal law enforcement since twenty seventeen. The official

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Speaker 4: said issued the following statement, it's using this sort of

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Speaker 4: like bullshit equivocal language that I would straight up fail

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Speaker 4: someone in one hundred level writing course for. But I'll

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Speaker 4: read it out so you can hear what they said.

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Speaker 4: On July thirteen to twenty twenty six, at approximately seven

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Speaker 4: am Eastern time. ICE was conducting a targeted surveillance on

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Speaker 4: the last known address of an illegal alien with a

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Speaker 4: final order of removal. No legal alien departed. The residents

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Speaker 4: in a vehicle. ICE law enforcement attempted to conduct a

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Speaker 4: vehicle stop. The vehicle attempted to flee the scene and

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Speaker 4: fearing for public safety, and officer discharged his weapon. Driver

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Speaker 4: of the vehicle struck and emergency services were immediately contacted.

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Speaker 4: He passed away from his injuries. The bit off a

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Speaker 4: police department. FBI responded to a scene DHSOIG has been

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Speaker 4: notified and like all discharge of firearms, this will be investigated.

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Speaker 4: It's a developing situation. We will update the public when

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Speaker 4: more information is available. A couple of things I want

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Speaker 4: to know. They didn't say that the officer feared for

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Speaker 4: his life. They did say he feared for public safety.

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Speaker 4: I think we should be wary of reading too much

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Speaker 4: into these statements, so they're always so vague, wishy washing,

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Speaker 4: a quivercor It's just that cops speakers become almost its

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Speaker 4: own language, especially in the statements of cops make after

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Speaker 4: that kill someone. I do want to note that the

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Speaker 4: Office of the Inspector General right, DHS OIG that's referred

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Speaker 4: to there is one of very few DHS assets that

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Speaker 4: is not getting a huge budget bump, and as the

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Speaker 4: agency grows, the OIG will very much struggle to keep up,

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Speaker 4: especially if ICE continues killing Americans at this rate. Indeed,

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Speaker 4: the White House last month and it's proposed budget proposed

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Speaker 4: cutting the OIG budget. So I wouldn't hold your wreath

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Speaker 4: for a thorough investigation if you want to learn more

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Speaker 4: about the DHS OIG and how he came to have it,

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Speaker 4: and then the long history that the DHS has of

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Speaker 4: preventing meaningful investigations into shootings by DHS officers. I did

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Speaker 4: an episode with Gen Budd probably three years ago, and

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Speaker 4: I wold suggest going back and listening to that. You

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Speaker 4: can buy Gen's book two. I think she covers it there.

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Speaker 4: The day after this, another young man was killed by ICE.

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Speaker 4: Man of twenty eight years old. He was killed after

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Speaker 4: ICE agents attempted to detain him, He fled and he

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Speaker 4: was struck by a vehicle. This week I also killed

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Speaker 4: Lorenzo Salgado, a father of three who have been in

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Speaker 4: the United States for thirty five years. One of his

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Speaker 4: sons in a press conference, said that he was aware

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Speaker 4: that this was his dad when he saw a video

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Speaker 4: on Facebook, which is heartbreaking, claiming in this shooting, as

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Speaker 4: I have falsely in almost every shooting, that he tried

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Speaker 4: to weaponize his vehicle the agent shot him. In Texas

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Speaker 4: this week, CBS reported from the Harris County attorney that

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Speaker 4: he is filing for visas for witnesses in the case

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Speaker 4: unless it be deported before they can give evidence in

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Speaker 4: the case. I don't want to go into a great

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Speaker 4: deal more depth about this. I guess I've seen a

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Speaker 4: lot of speculation in all of these and I might

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Speaker 4: do a whole episode on it soon. I just want

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Speaker 4: to take some time at the moment, I guess for

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Speaker 4: us all to process more grief. I a little bit

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Speaker 4: talk yesterday in Oakland and we just read their names

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Speaker 4: out loud and had a little moment with Edis Moranti.

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Speaker 4: It was Edis idea. It was wonderfully. I had a

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Speaker 4: little moment to think about them at the start of

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Speaker 4: the book talk there, and that was a nice thing

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Speaker 4: to do. But I guess I just want to say,

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Speaker 4: like we are the people who get to decide if

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Speaker 4: we want to keep living like this, and we don't

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Speaker 4: have to, and it's helped to all of us to

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Speaker 4: decide if this is the way we want to live

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Speaker 4: and the way we want things to be. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: hope you can all take some time to process this

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Speaker 4: and deal with it however you can.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we are back. Ahead of an upcoming union election,

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Speaker 2: the Department of Justice has opened a grand jury investigation

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Speaker 2: into UAW President Sean Faine. Sean Fayne is currently facing

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Speaker 2: a challenge from UAW Vice President Rich Boyer, who years

518
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Speaker 2: ago told the court appointed independent monitor that Feyne quote

519
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Speaker 2: acted improperly to obtain financial benefits for his fiancee unquote.

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Speaker 2: Fain said in a statement, quote, Let's be clear about

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Speaker 2: what's going on here. Rich Boyer has fed the monitor

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Speaker 2: false allegations about me and is now trying to weaponize

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Speaker 2: these bogus allegations to steal the upcoming UAW election. He

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Speaker 2: knows he can't win a fair fight because he has

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Speaker 2: no real platform to run on unquote. The court appointed

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Speaker 2: monitor for UAW, Neil Borowsky, has clashed with Faine the

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Speaker 2: past few years. Ever since Faine pushed for the OAW

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Speaker 2: to pass a resolution calling for a ceasefire in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: which they then did way back in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: At the time, the OW was the largest union to

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Speaker 2: do so, and in December of twenty twenty three, Faine

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Speaker 2: gave a speech in DC alongside Congress Roman Corey Busch

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Speaker 2: and Rashida Talib calling for a ceasefire and for aid

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Speaker 2: to enter Gaza. Brovsky called Faine to express dissatisfaction with

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Speaker 2: this resolution, and Fain claims that Brovsky called him an

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Speaker 2: anti Semite. Brovsky also forwarded a letter to the union

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Speaker 2: from the ADL claiming that AUAW local was anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: for supporting the ceasefire. Detroit News reported that Brovsky quote

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Speaker 2: acknowledged the matter was outside the monitor's jurisdiction, but said

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Speaker 2: he was forwarding it quote given the serious concerns raised

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Speaker 2: here unquote to quote an article in the American Prospect quote.

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Speaker 2: At the UAW Executive Board's February twenty twenty four meeting,

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Speaker 2: members asked why Brosky was involving himself in the union's politics,

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Speaker 2: while Barrovsky protested he was not really seeking a policy

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Speaker 2: change from them. Infury by both Borrowski's charges and his denials,

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Speaker 2: Fain said quote for anyone to ever fucking say anti Semitic, brother,

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Speaker 2: I'll fight your ass in front of this building in

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Speaker 2: a heartbeat unquote. Within weeks of that meeting, Brosky initiated

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Speaker 2: an investigation of Faine's interactions with several UAW leaders unquote.

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Speaker 2: In Sean Fayne's recent statement regarding the DOJ's investigation, he claimed,

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Speaker 2: quote Neil Barofsky has a political grudge against me because

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Speaker 2: the UAW took an anti war stance about what was

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Speaker 2: happening in Gaza. Under Sean Fayn, the UAW has moved

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Speaker 2: in a much more militant direction and has backed DSA

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Speaker 2: candidates running on working class platforms and states going against

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Speaker 2: some other union coalitions who were backing progressive or establishment dems,

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Speaker 2: like in New York with Claire Valdez, where the UAW

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Speaker 2: backed Claire and a coalition of other unions backed Antonio Renoso.

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Speaker 2: Faine has been a very effective union president who has

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Speaker 2: won a lot of big contract victories, and in his

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Speaker 2: statement addressing the investigation, he wrote, quote, we've accomplished more

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Speaker 2: in the past three years and three months than in

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Speaker 2: the previous decades. This is what happens when you go

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Speaker 2: against Corporate America and their allies. And I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to be intimidated or harassed out of serving our membership.

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Speaker 2: Our election is in six weeks. Neilbrowski will not run

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Speaker 2: our union no matter how hard he tries, and no

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Speaker 2: company sellout like Boyer is going to dictate our elections unquote.

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Speaker 3: I think it's worth going over here sort of the

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Speaker 3: general dynamics of union elections, which is that for basically

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Speaker 3: every major union largely would elections come down to. This

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Speaker 3: is how the UAW was run for decades. There is

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Speaker 3: usually something that's called like the Administrative Caucus or the

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Speaker 3: admin Caucus, which tends to be the long term sort

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Speaker 3: of ruling clique I guess of the union that it

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Speaker 3: usually has held power continuously. They're kind of as a

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Speaker 3: felt power for decades. The Teamsters were like this, The

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Speaker 3: UAW was like this until Sean Fain one Sean Fayne

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Speaker 3: is from. There's usually something called a reform faction. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: who are a further left faction, and then there's also

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Speaker 3: usually like a Trotskyite one that gets seven votes. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you know, the sort of important thing, as Garret

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Speaker 3: was talking about was that this is the first time

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Speaker 3: that a reform caucus had put like straight up one

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Speaker 3: of their guys in charge of a major union. You

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Speaker 3: can look at the Teamsters too, but like Teamsters for

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Speaker 3: a Democratic Union always kind of had a tenuous relationship

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Speaker 3: ish with their new president and he kind of sucks

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Speaker 3: in a way that Sean Fayne like doesn't, yeah, largely

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Speaker 3: does not. Yeah. He has been the most militant of

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Speaker 3: the major union leaders in the US, you know, like

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Speaker 3: there was the strike a few years ago that we

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Speaker 3: covered on the show.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and this is another example of the OJA weaponization.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the job administration is going after someone who is

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Speaker 2: not only securing big wins for the union, but is

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Speaker 2: also involving himself in these other elections, these other social

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Speaker 2: causes like Palestine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also has been a really outspoken voice in

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Speaker 3: favor of immigration, yeah and against yeah, opression of miket workers.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, this is absolutely in part targeting Fane

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Speaker 2: because of his yeah, opposition to a lot of the

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Speaker 2: things such up administration is doing, and that opposition and

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Speaker 2: support of the UW has been helping working class candidates

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Speaker 2: get into office to then oppose these things in Congress.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to segue.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I got this, I got this, Garrison, don't worry,

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Speaker 3: I'm a professional speaking speaking of bowel movements in Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, let's talk explosive diarrhea. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: The UIW is also supporting Al said, you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 2: That is a good segue and speaking of Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh god. Okay, So there has been a large

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Speaker 3: outbreak centered in Michigan of a parasite called silaspora that

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Speaker 3: appears to be spreading through something like fresh salad greens,

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Speaker 3: although the CDC is still not sure. Yes, and we'll

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Speaker 3: get to we'll we'll get to more on why they're

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Speaker 3: not sure. My four year old diet continues to reign

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Speaker 3: supreme God. So I think it's worth noting that, you know,

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Speaker 3: this is something that a lot of writers have pointed out.

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Speaker 3: There's always like small outbreaks of silospora during the summer.

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Speaker 3: So you'll see documents of you know, like cases in

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Speaker 3: other states that are not in the sort of group

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about in a second, and that's

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Speaker 3: fairly normal. That's just that's just sort of the you know,

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Speaker 3: that's just sort of the disease cycle. However, COMMA there's

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Speaker 3: been over two thousand cases in Michigan and that is

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Speaker 3: not normal at all. Now this specific outbreak, for what

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Speaker 3: we know so far from the CDC, it seems like

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Speaker 3: there is an outbreak in mission Chigan, Ohio, West Virginia,

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Speaker 3: and Kentucky. And these ones seem to actually be connected

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Speaker 3: to each other, unlike the sort of disparate cases elsewhereround

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Speaker 3: the country, which are just seem to kind of right

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Speaker 3: now look like a little bit higher than the normal

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Speaker 3: background noise of what you would expect in a very

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Speaker 3: large country. If you're like in Michigan, it's maybe worth

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Speaker 3: not buying like bag salads and if you're gonna buy lettuce,

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Speaker 3: by like a head of lettuce and like throw away

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Speaker 3: the outside of it. If you're not in Michigan, like,

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Speaker 3: don't really worry about this. You're probably gonna be okay.

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Speaker 3: But the reason I want to talk about this outbreak

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Speaker 3: is that specifically it's been exacerbated, at least in part

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Speaker 3: by RFK juniors firing of ten thousand health and Human

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Speaker 3: services workers. Now, as a result of these cuts, the

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Speaker 3: Food Borne Diseases Active Surveillance Network went from tracking six

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Speaker 3: pathogens to only tracking two and lo and behold. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so this timing is genuinely a coincidence. But they cut

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Speaker 3: their surveillance tracking on July first, and one of the

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Speaker 3: passages they were tracking, why cyclospora. So this is going great,

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Speaker 3: and obviously this outbreak would have happened anyways. It's not

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Speaker 3: responsible to draw a direct causal link from these cuts

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Speaker 3: to oh, there's this outbreak now, But what it has

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Speaker 3: done is slow the response to it, because what was

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Speaker 3: one of the world's best surveillance systems has been absolutely

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Speaker 3: gutted because they fired ten thousand people or well, okay,

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Speaker 3: it's a combination of fired and forced out and people

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Speaker 3: taking like, you know, people taking some of the packages

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Speaker 3: that they've been offered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those deferred resignation DOGE offers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a very explosive example of this. But

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Speaker 3: what's happening here is one manifestation of the slow crumbling

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Speaker 3: of general state capacity.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of regulatory agencies and a lot

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Speaker 3: of scientifications whose you know, budgets and staffs have been

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Speaker 3: cut massively, and the systems that they run are well

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Speaker 3: designed enough, and the people who actually do them care

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Speaker 3: about them enough that they tend not to collapse immediately. Right.

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Speaker 3: That's not the sort of model of state collapse that

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Speaker 3: we're sort of dealing with here, Right. It's not that

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Speaker 3: everything just suddenly stopped working. What happens is slowly, over time,

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Speaker 3: things that we used to have we simply don't have anymore,

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Speaker 3: you know. Along these sort of lines. One of the

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Speaker 3: other like slow acting symptoms of this sort of carving

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Speaker 3: out of the American scientific state and its regulatory capacity

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Speaker 3: is that weather praditions have gotten less accurate. And the

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Speaker 3: reason they've gotten less accurate is because there is a

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Speaker 3: large number of weather balloons that used to be deployed

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Speaker 3: every single day to collect weather information that you can't

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Speaker 3: get any other way, that have been shut down because

681
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Speaker 3: they just don't have the staff to run them. And

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Speaker 3: so this is a thing we're going to be seeing

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Speaker 3: more and more of over the next honest, probably the

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Speaker 3: rest of our lives. Is that the pieces of the

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Speaker 3: state that we're torn apart by Doge and we're torn

686
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Speaker 3: apart by RFK Junior going through, there's just going to

687
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Speaker 3: be things that we don't think about that suddenly get worse. Right,

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Speaker 3: And it's also worth noting, right, like, you know, something

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Speaker 3: that I think you can, to some extent point to

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00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: for this specific outbreak is that there's been damage done

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Speaker 3: to food testing that dates back to like the first

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Speaker 3: Trump administration, right. And when we're talking about something like

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Speaker 3: food safety standards, right, or we're talking about workplace safety standards,

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Speaker 3: it's important to understand that there are two kinds of

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Speaker 3: regulations in this world. There are regulations that are written

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Speaker 3: in the ink of lobbyists, and there are regulations that

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Speaker 3: are written in the blood of workers. And the ones

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Speaker 3: that are being cut right now are the ones that

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Speaker 3: are written in blood. And so you know, right now

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Speaker 3: we have a story that sucks but is at least

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Speaker 3: kind of silly in a bunch of explosive diarrhea. But

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Speaker 3: as the state capacity continues to degrade, it's going to

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Speaker 3: get more and more grim. Yeah, as you know, basic

704
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Speaker 3: scientific and regulatory functions that we all have just come

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Speaker 3: to rely on to not eat poison every day, crumble

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Speaker 3: will start the fall. Part.

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Speaker 2: Your point about there being two different types of regulations,

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Speaker 2: I think is really important because people often just think

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Speaker 2: of regulation as it's like just this singular kind of

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00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: mechanism that the state can deploy and no, yeah, it is,

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Speaker 2: it is not. It's there is regulations that will protect

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00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: workers that are achieved by workers, and there's regulations that

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Speaker 2: only serve corporate interests or make things more difficult or

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Speaker 2: cumbersome for workers to go about their daily lives and

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Speaker 2: enjoy the public services and like the public goods and

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Speaker 2: the infrastructure that that we have. And this is sort

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Speaker 2: of like hacking away at state capacity that you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: which is like very obviously on display in Trump's second

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Speaker 2: administration through stuff like dew It's right, this is kind

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Speaker 2: of the main project of conservatism since like the seventies

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Speaker 2: and eighties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think what I would also say about

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Speaker 3: that though, that there is I think there is an

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Speaker 3: important distinction between what's happening here and what's what you know,

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Speaker 3: if you look at like Reagan, for example, Yeah, which

726
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: is like a lot of what those states were doing

727
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: was you know, an attempt to transition from the state

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Speaker 3: sort of having a welfare capacity to a state just

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Speaker 3: being a purely military entity. Right, But those people also

730
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Speaker 3: weren't doing this kind of stuff in the sense that

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Speaker 3: they weren't just like shutting down the weather balloons because

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Speaker 3: you know, like even like George W. Bush isn't just

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Speaker 3: like shutting down every weather balloon he can find, because

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Speaker 3: there used to be an understanding that there's supposed to

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Speaker 3: be stay capacity in place or expanded that would help

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Speaker 3: the ruling class stay in power.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: This is why you see like the expansion of the

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Speaker 3: police through this period, this massive increase in police and

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Speaker 3: military budgets, and also why you would see in a

741
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: lot of cases you would see expansions of scientific budgets.

742
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Speaker 3: And why you wouldn't, for example, just start doing this.

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Speaker 3: The Reagan administration did a lot of replacing regulations written

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Speaker 3: in blood with regulations written in ink, but they didn't

745
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Speaker 3: just gut basic scientific capacity that was useful to capital

746
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Speaker 3: in the way that's happening here. Look like another part

747
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: of this, right is like it was it was strategically

748
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Speaker 3: important to someone like Bush and someone like Reagan that

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Speaker 3: the US would maintain like a large scale scientific advantage. Right,

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Speaker 3: So if you want to do that, you don't go

751
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Speaker 3: through and just start annihilating the grant process by which

752
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: all American science is done. Right. Sure, stuff that like

753
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Speaker 3: those people didn't do because they had a better understanding

754
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Speaker 3: of how the American empire works, and these people are

755
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: doing it because they have bought the propaganda line about

756
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: what their ideology is supposed to be instead of actually

757
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Speaker 3: executing their ideology and like you know having the sort

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Speaker 3: of scientific state capacity to like fuel the corporations that

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Speaker 3: they're power relies on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the contradictions of their project are more clearly manifest

761
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: and something like this, whereas you know, use the sort

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00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: of like privatization and like the removal of like social

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00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: services under Reagan still allowed you know, government funds and

764
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: involvement towards things that would help like infuse the economy

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Speaker 2: in some ways, you know, trickle down way, something that

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00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: really did not help a lot of a lot of

767
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 2: workers in the moment. Well, they help the economy meeting

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Speaker 2: corporation make more money every year, yes, versus the sort

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Speaker 2: of expansion of this privatization towards things like, yeah, we

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Speaker 2: should not have the government be funding weather balloons that

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Speaker 2: can be privatized instead all these things that the private

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Speaker 2: sector cannot do as well as a central government body

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Speaker 2: cannot do without the backing with central government body inside

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Speaker 2: of it. Funding is another example of this. You know,

775
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: sometimes the RFK forces or whatever will like realize that

776
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: what they're doing is actually going to hurt their core

777
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Speaker 2: driving factor, which is which is serving capital, and they

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00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: will like backtrack on some things, but it follows the

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00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: sort of Silicon Valley mindset. It's like move fast and

780
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: break things. Then you'll learn that maybe you broke something

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00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have broken. But the consequence of that is

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00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: that in the meantime you have thousands of people shitting themselves. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: or worse or or worse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, amazing country that we've designed here. It's it's

785
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: going great and no bad things are going to happen

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Speaker 3: and are happening now.

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Speaker 2: Before we go. There's there's two pieces of news that

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Speaker 2: have dropped since recording. Oh boy, pet hag Seth is

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Speaker 2: recommending quote unquote testosterone replacement therapy, Oh God, for soldiers

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Speaker 2: aged thirty and older in a video titled the High

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Speaker 2: tea Department of War. So prepare for an onslaught of

792
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Speaker 2: really bad like liberal jokes about how the Department of

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Speaker 2: War is doing gender affirming therapy now.

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: And about thirty minutes ago, one hundred and three demo

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Speaker 2: krats voted to eliminate aid to Israel ninety six voted

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00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: against this, ten voted present. This is a pretty big

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Speaker 2: change from what a vote like this would have been

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Speaker 2: a few years ago. This is still like a performative

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Speaker 2: vote ultimately, like there's no way that this is going

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Speaker 2: to pass. Yeah, but those ninety three Democrats who voted

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Speaker 2: against this, that is a primary list. That is a

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Speaker 2: list of targets to go after.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the news that we reported today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, put a transcurl on your couch.

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Speaker 2: We reported the news.

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Speaker 4: We reported the news.

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