WEBVTT - Bloomberg Businessweek Weekend - June 6th, 2020

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Business Week from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Kelly and I'm Carol Master. Welcome to the weekend

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<v Speaker 1>edition of Bloomberg Business Week. Over the next couple of hours,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to bring you some of our most important

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<v Speaker 1>conversations that we had throughout this week. And Jason safe

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<v Speaker 1>to say it definitely has been a somber week. A

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<v Speaker 1>nation once again in crisis. We're still fighting back from

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<v Speaker 1>the coronavirus pandemic, but now we've got another fight against injustice.

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<v Speaker 1>In the aftermath of the death of African American George Floyd,

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<v Speaker 1>protests rising civil unrest. We saw that throughout the week

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<v Speaker 1>around the nation, reminding us once again of the inequalities

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<v Speaker 1>that exist in our society. And we looked at it

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<v Speaker 1>through our Bloomberg Glens right talking with business, nonprofit, public

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<v Speaker 1>sector leaders and how the divide in our society has economic, business,

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<v Speaker 1>market and most importantly societal implications. Well, it's crisis on

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<v Speaker 1>crisis for sure, and I think one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>we learned throughout the course of the week and having

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<v Speaker 1>conversations with CEOs and other leaders, was that you can

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<v Speaker 1>really separate the two and I think what we have

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<v Speaker 1>experienced over the past few months is a culmination, a

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<v Speaker 1>sad culmination in many ways of decades and I think

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<v Speaker 1>some people would argue centuries of injustice and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of economic elements and economic disparities maybe is a better

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<v Speaker 1>way to say it, that have been exacerbated over the

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<v Speaker 1>past few months and really laid bare, and once you

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<v Speaker 1>see them, it's hard to look away. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of hope out there. And we talked about it

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of people that maybe this is the

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<v Speaker 1>moment where we start to make some changes. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the voices we all agree that we needed to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from was John Hopebriant. He's the founder, chairman, and

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of a nonprofit Operation Hope. He created that in

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<v Speaker 1>the aftermath of a riots. He's still working to help

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<v Speaker 1>the disenfranchised. But he talked to us about reducing inequality,

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<v Speaker 1>reducing the injustices in the United States. We talked to

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<v Speaker 1>some other leaders who are dealing not only with this

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<v Speaker 1>crisis which is right in front of them, but the

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<v Speaker 1>existing health crisis and the economic crisis that has been

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<v Speaker 1>born out owing to the pandemic, the coronavirus pandemic. Tim Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a thoughtful conversation with him. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>the chair of p WC based up in Boston. He

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<v Speaker 1>talked to us about not only what he's doing and

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<v Speaker 1>how he is very methodically and I think very thoughtfully

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<v Speaker 1>responded to his employees about what happened with George Floyd

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<v Speaker 1>and the aftermath and the protests there, but also what

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<v Speaker 1>getting back to work looks like, because that also is

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<v Speaker 1>important as we start to get some sense of normalcy,

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<v Speaker 1>even though we know we're never going to be the same.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the folks who's also thinking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about that is Candice Lee. She's Vanderbilt University's first female

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<v Speaker 1>athletic director and she's the first female African American to

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<v Speaker 1>lead an athletic department in the SEC, a very important

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<v Speaker 1>conference in the world of sports. So she talked to

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<v Speaker 1>us about her role in basically caring for her athletes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so many important conversations. First of that, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>take you inside the magazine's cover story. It's on how

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<v Speaker 1>radical repression is built into the U. S economy and

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<v Speaker 1>how one fifty years after the Civil War, the color

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<v Speaker 1>of money is still white. It's a provocative and thoughtful story.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's more from economics editor Peter Coy. The truth is

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<v Speaker 1>that the economics profession has had a hard time understanding

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<v Speaker 1>race racial discrimination. If you open a standard textbook that

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you that workers are in the madginal product

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<v Speaker 1>or the labor I value they provide to the the employer,

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<v Speaker 1>it would make no sense to do anything else because

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<v Speaker 1>if you paid somebody less than they were worth, they

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<v Speaker 1>would go someplace else. Of course, that doesn't really describe

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<v Speaker 1>the real world where we do see racial discrimination. So

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<v Speaker 1>economists for decades have been struggling with how to explain it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go through various theories, but come around to

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that you know, maybe it's nothing more complic

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<v Speaker 1>Cada than the white power structure paying people less because

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<v Speaker 1>they can get away with paying people less, and all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of other forms of discrimination against African Americans and

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<v Speaker 1>other racial minorities that just persist decade after decade. So

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<v Speaker 1>how do we change things, because, as you put in

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<v Speaker 1>your story, the greatest frustration is that nothing ever seems

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<v Speaker 1>to change. I mean, this is not new as you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, Jason. We talked to um Francis fry At

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<v Speaker 1>at Harvard, and she said, you know, four years we've

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<v Speaker 1>been fighting racism, so you know, and even John Hopebrien

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<v Speaker 1>of Operation Hope, you know, yes, it's terrible what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to George Floyd, but this shouldn't you know, this happens

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. So so what do the economists say, Peter,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how how do we make a change? What

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<v Speaker 1>do we need in terms of maybe the new school

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<v Speaker 1>of economic thought. I did not write a prescriptive story here,

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<v Speaker 1>as more of an analy political story, like, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>I think the first step is to acknowledge it is

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. Yeah, I think that. I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>actually is a good first step because there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of white accept at times like this, when it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear that's something deeply wrong, who will revert to

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<v Speaker 1>the thinking that I think we pretty much put that

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<v Speaker 1>behind us. They may have cordial relations with their neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>or people down the street or at work who are

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<v Speaker 1>of other races. They may see the success of people

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<v Speaker 1>here and there and conclude that the problem is solved.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to stop and say no, it's not. And

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<v Speaker 1>until you do that progress will not be made. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's editor Joel Weber and Economics editor Peter Coy talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that story in the magazine. I have to say, Carol,

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<v Speaker 1>I think both you and I when we read it

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, probably stopped in our tracks. Because

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<v Speaker 1>Peter is a beautiful writer. He's also someone who captures

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<v Speaker 1>both the science and the art and the emotion effortlessly,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think reading it and understanding it was a

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<v Speaker 1>very powerful exercise, no doubt. He wraps up his story saying, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>these two lines, it just they stuck with me. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>all that anger will move America forward isn't so clear,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course he's talking about the civil unrest. He

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to say, Peter, that is what's clear is

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<v Speaker 1>the need for the power structures of economics and business

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<v Speaker 1>to grapple with life as it's lived, not as a

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<v Speaker 1>textbook specifies. So, you know, economics and theory it's failing

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<v Speaker 1>us at this time, and so we need to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of figure out a different way to really tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story that we're all living. Really provocative and I highly

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<v Speaker 1>recommend it's a must read for everyone you're listening to.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week. Coming up, we chat with p WC

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<v Speaker 1>chair Tim Ryan on how leaders should be thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>the numerous crises they're facing. This is Bloomberg. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Jason Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>from Bloomberg Radio. Today we're bringing you some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most important, we hope informative conversations we had this week

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<v Speaker 1>on our daily Bloomberg Business Week radio show. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a difficult week, but one where we went deep with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people to try and understand not just

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<v Speaker 1>where we are, but where we may be going next.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jason, we spoke with Tim Ryan. He's the tour

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<v Speaker 1>at PwC. He's been having lots of conversations with CEOs

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<v Speaker 1>and leaders all around the country. It was a really

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<v Speaker 1>deep conversation moved and impacted both you and I, and

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<v Speaker 1>he talked about our world that's being tested on multiple

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<v Speaker 1>fronts and how we all need to be drivers have changed.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at it from two perspectives and let me

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<v Speaker 1>let me start up by saying GTBC, NORMI do we

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<v Speaker 1>have all the answers, but we look at it from

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<v Speaker 1>two perspectives. For the last four years, we've been taking

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<v Speaker 1>very aggressive steps to improve our inclusion with inside the

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<v Speaker 1>full walls of p WC, and and it starts at home.

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<v Speaker 1>We all be better and we need to be better,

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<v Speaker 1>and myself and over a thousand executives who are part

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<v Speaker 1>of CEO Actions for diversity Inclusion, we have committed to

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<v Speaker 1>make our organizations better, safer, more aware, and more understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you point out or asking your question, policy

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<v Speaker 1>making also plays an important part. The reality is that

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<v Speaker 1>we need more thoughtful policy at the city, state, and

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<v Speaker 1>federal level to make sure that we get some we

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<v Speaker 1>get at some of the more important parts or equally

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<v Speaker 1>important parts around inclusion if we're to get to a

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<v Speaker 1>better performance at a sustaind level. So, for example, we

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<v Speaker 1>think about the economic inequalities that exists in our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Policy the policy making plays an important role there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's interesting tempted to hear your response to

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<v Speaker 1>the to the first question because it does feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a different moment where I dare say, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is no judgment on any of your predecessors or

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<v Speaker 1>any predecessors of current ceo is, but I have a

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<v Speaker 1>hard time believing that in a previous generation of leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be almost acceptable in some ways for a

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<v Speaker 1>leader of your stature to personally respond to all of

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<v Speaker 1>those things. Do you feel like you bear more of

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<v Speaker 1>a responsibility to show a level of transparency and I

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<v Speaker 1>dare say authenticity to a broader spectrum of people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a fair question. I am. I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>sincerely believe I have a responsibility to the fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>people who trust me with their leadership than that. That

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<v Speaker 1>is very personal to me. I was speaking with somebody

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend, or many many people. In one conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked us, do you think everybody's getting three thousand emails?

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<v Speaker 1>And I honestly don't know the answer. What I am

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<v Speaker 1>proud of is the culture is that people expect to

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<v Speaker 1>have immediate access at PBC to the top and I

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<v Speaker 1>and I take that responsibility very seriously. I think some

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<v Speaker 1>of it's a sign of times. I think some of

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<v Speaker 1>it is the culture of the organization. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>look at those three thousand emails and over and and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm behind today to be clear, because it's the message

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<v Speaker 1>out today. But I think part part of it is

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<v Speaker 1>many thousands just saying thank you, thank you. I shot

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<v Speaker 1>a video on Friday morning and saying how sick I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of it is thank you for the commitment and leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>but hundreds were here are suggestions and and and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going through them like we to think that in in

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<v Speaker 1>a world where leadership is looked up to, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have all the answers. And I think part of it

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<v Speaker 1>is Part of it is we need to get it

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<v Speaker 1>at all levels in an organization. One of our black

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<v Speaker 1>associates I spoke to today, he has three years experience

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<v Speaker 1>with us. He was both um, he was both excited

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<v Speaker 1>but also angry that society is not making more progress,

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<v Speaker 1>is it, Tim, You need to listen to not only

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<v Speaker 1>the views of partners and people in the middle and

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<v Speaker 1>leadership pills, you need to listen to our views as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think it's incredibly important that we

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I think today more than ever, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going back to oh Man, you just kind of chills

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<v Speaker 1>my spine. We spoke with John Hopebryant Um Sherman and

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<v Speaker 1>cy of of UM Hope and what's interesting is he

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<v Speaker 1>said he was talking to a lot of young people, Tim,

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<v Speaker 1>who said, you know, because everybody's like please, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>looting doesn't solve anything. But these young people said to him, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you get to be you have a seat at the table.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you're in the room where it all happens.

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<v Speaker 1>You go to the White House, you talked to c eos.

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<v Speaker 1>For us, our voices aren't heard unless we take these

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<v Speaker 1>drastic actions, and we need to figure out a way

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure everyone is heard. And Tim, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we have a lot of conversations about this and

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<v Speaker 1>yet nothing happens. Yeah, I think, I think, Um, it

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<v Speaker 1>is really important for us to understand to our black

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<v Speaker 1>and brown citizens of the United States, what happened last

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<v Speaker 1>day is not new. What happened in Central Park is

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<v Speaker 1>not new. Too many. It feels new because we start

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<v Speaker 1>on a video, but it is not new. And as

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<v Speaker 1>I speak with and I'm not black, I cannot say

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<v Speaker 1>I've walked in people's shoes, but as I've listened to hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>what they will tell you is that this is not new.

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<v Speaker 1>And four years ago we had shootings in Dallas, we

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<v Speaker 1>had violence in Louisville, two years ago we had volunced

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<v Speaker 1>in Charlottesville. We have it again. And it's incumbent on

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<v Speaker 1>people in my role and other roles to say enough

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<v Speaker 1>is enough, and we're going to fix it, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have to work together to do that. So, Tim, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about the return to work, except one

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<v Speaker 1>more question for you about sort of where we are

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<v Speaker 1>at this particular moment having to do with protests. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got curfews happening at major cities around the country, including

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<v Speaker 1>here in the Tri State area, and I do wonder

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<v Speaker 1>how do you balance sort of the safety of your

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<v Speaker 1>employees with the notion that you want them to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to express themselves at times like this. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>encourage Jarre people to make sure their point of view

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<v Speaker 1>is heard, and protesting is an important part of expressing ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>We obviously want to make sure they're safe as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so we've encouraged people to do that and use the

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<v Speaker 1>best judgment, and cities where we have had protests, we've

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<v Speaker 1>used are YU wanted security team to make sure we're

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<v Speaker 1>checking out on people that they're safe. If we've had

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<v Speaker 1>a few instances, we simply had to move people because

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<v Speaker 1>they were in very closely affected areas. But freedom of

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<v Speaker 1>speech and the ability to get your views heard both

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<v Speaker 1>internally within the firm and outside is something that we

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<v Speaker 1>think is really important. Obviously, we wanted to be peaceful,

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<v Speaker 1>we want our people to be safe, but getting our

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<v Speaker 1>emotions out and getting our feelings out is important, and

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers really speak to the importance of getting those

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<v Speaker 1>views out and having voices heard. So it is a

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<v Speaker 1>very important part of our nation and the freedom to

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<v Speaker 1>get your view out there and and something we're supportive of.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Tim Ryan. He's a char at p WC. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's just scratching the surface Jason. For a full interview,

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<v Speaker 1>be sure to check out the Business Week Extra podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about how work will not look like the

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<v Speaker 1>way it was twelve to thirteen weeks ago, and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not the way it's done today. We really went a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of places with him well, and it was interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to hear his very personal response and the way that

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<v Speaker 1>he is engaging with his employees, even from a remote basis,

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<v Speaker 1>on how they're feeling, how they're doing, how their work

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be different, because you can't really separate

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<v Speaker 1>all of these different things, all of these crises that

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<v Speaker 1>we're facing. Its impacting who we are, how we work,

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<v Speaker 1>and who we want to be. You're listening to Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Week Coming Up Checkers CEO Francis Alan. She tells us

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<v Speaker 1>how the restaurant industry is forever changed name CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>Checkers and Rallies. In February began her job working from home.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll hear her story. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Jason Kelly from

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Radio. We'll bring you some of the most important

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<v Speaker 1>and formative conversations we had on our daily radio show

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the week. Um of course, much of it on

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<v Speaker 1>the news about the civic unrest that we've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>the last week, but we're also still dealing with the

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<v Speaker 1>virus and industries trying to come back. Karl, we caught

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<v Speaker 1>up with Francis Alan. This was a conversation I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to in part because these are restaurants that

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<v Speaker 1>I have frequented throughout my life. She's the CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>Checkers and Rally's. Those are drive through restaurants. These are

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<v Speaker 1>restaurants that have actually done okay through the pandemic, and

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<v Speaker 1>she gave us a window into the restaurant industry how

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<v Speaker 1>it will never be the same post pandemic. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>been so rewarding to UH to work through this crisis

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<v Speaker 1>with with such a dedicated and resilient team of people.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always a silver aligning right and in every crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, uh, you know, usually it brings out

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<v Speaker 1>the best of people. And I can certainly say that

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<v Speaker 1>that's true for the Checks and Raleigh's whole organization. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>For that, I'll start with the safety. Obviously, when when

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<v Speaker 1>we put a taskforce together to create a response plan,

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<v Speaker 1>we had two priorities. The first priority was the safety

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<v Speaker 1>of our guests and our employees, and the second was

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<v Speaker 1>really to keep our restaurants open so we can continue

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<v Speaker 1>to employ our team members and feed our guests. So

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<v Speaker 1>UM incredibly proud of the of the operations team we

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<v Speaker 1>actually as as well as complying with all of the

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<v Speaker 1>CDC mandates both individual, state and local government requirements, we've

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<v Speaker 1>actually put in fifteen new contact less experiences to protect

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<v Speaker 1>our employees and our guess, everything from UM plexigoth areas

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<v Speaker 1>at the windows, UM cashiers with color coded gloves for

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<v Speaker 1>handling payments, UM praise for handling payments, Infrared thermometers obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately you already did fifteen minute hand washing, so UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we already had a very high standard of cleanness. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, cup refills, We've always refilled people's cups. But

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<v Speaker 1>now we'll still do that, but we'll give you a

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<v Speaker 1>fresh cup. So a ton of new UM procedures at

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<v Speaker 1>the restaurant sanitation obviously to keep people safe, on people

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<v Speaker 1>and labor UM. You know, obviously at first priority as

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<v Speaker 1>the employees who show up for work every day, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so proud of them and what they've done and

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<v Speaker 1>how they kept going. We're fortunate in that we have

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<v Speaker 1>not had to lay off anybody. We did follow some

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<v Speaker 1>people at this corporate office, but we were able to

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<v Speaker 1>bring them back after thirty days. But we've been looking

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<v Speaker 1>after our team members with sickly with closure pay if

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<v Speaker 1>if the restaurant has to close, and we've also instigated

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<v Speaker 1>a thank you pay for those restaurant team members that

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<v Speaker 1>that have UM stayed with us through throughout their s

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<v Speaker 1>virus UM. I'm very proud to say we also have

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<v Speaker 1>a an employee relief fund. It was actually established in

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<v Speaker 1>thousands five following the days of Hurricane Katrina, and has

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<v Speaker 1>provided more than five hundred thousand dollars and assistant to

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<v Speaker 1>about six hundred employees and their families. And we've expanded

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<v Speaker 1>that to UM to obviously include anybody that can't work

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<v Speaker 1>due to Corona related issues. So a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of work put together to for our people, keep

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<v Speaker 1>our guests and our employees safe. And then of course

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<v Speaker 1>all the marketing shifts that that we need to needed

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<v Speaker 1>to make, so shifting really into free delivery, meal bundles, um,

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<v Speaker 1>social media and UH and just trying to stay very

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<v Speaker 1>nimble and flexible. And that's for instance, Allen CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>Checkers and Rallies drive in And as you pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the show, this is someone who had as

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<v Speaker 1>a rich, deep experience in this business. But she basically

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<v Speaker 1>has like been to headquarters a couple of times, but

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't really work there yet. She's been working from

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<v Speaker 1>her home in Colorado, managing this massive enterprise remotely and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about a lot of health and safety issues as

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<v Speaker 1>she thinks about reopening. Well, her perspective is an important one, Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>qus are quick service restaurants, right, She has worked. She

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<v Speaker 1>was CEO of Boston Market, president of Jack in the Box,

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<v Speaker 1>also senior positions at Denny's dunkin Donuts USA. So when

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<v Speaker 1>we want to understand this segment of the restaurant industry,

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<v Speaker 1>she's really a great person to get some insight. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the takeaways more blurring a fast casual and drive

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<v Speaker 1>through restaurants, and she said, you know what, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>love this, Jason, get ready for more comfort food on

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<v Speaker 1>the menu. I know. That was actually really good to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>I basically was like, well, what about healthy things? And

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<v Speaker 1>she said, you know what, that's not exactly what people

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<v Speaker 1>want and I should correct that. The guy said a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes ago, it really isn't about reopening for her,

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's more the idea they never really closed. How

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<v Speaker 1>do they adjust going forward and how does the industry

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<v Speaker 1>around them adjust? That was a really important takeaway too.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week coming up the role

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<v Speaker 1>of sports in the age of COVID nineteen. An wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>interview we caught up with Candice Lee. She is the

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<v Speaker 1>first female athletic director at Vanderbilt University, also first African

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<v Speaker 1>American woman to have an SEC athletic program, and I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you, she says, we all missed sports and

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<v Speaker 1>she's getting ready to try and open up. This is Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Kelly from Bloomberg Radio. They were bringing you some

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<v Speaker 1>of the most important and we hope informative conversations we

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<v Speaker 1>had on our daily Bloomberg Business Week radio show. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a week where I felt like everyday, Carol, we

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to get our heads around what was happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the news that day, knowing that what's happening now

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<v Speaker 1>is going to have a profound effect on where we

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<v Speaker 1>are in the coming months and years. And then includes

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<v Speaker 1>an interview with Candice Lee Jason. She's Genderbilt University's first

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<v Speaker 1>female athletic director. What's interesting is when we booked her,

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<v Speaker 1>we thought, Okay, we're gonna talk about what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know in terms of sports at the college level.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how do you you know, run a program?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh in a world of COVID nineteen And then of

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<v Speaker 1>course that conversation was impacted as well by the news

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<v Speaker 1>out of Minneapolis and the death of George Floyd oh Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Um I thought, what and what what a tragedy that

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<v Speaker 1>could have been and shouldn't have been avoided? And um

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<v Speaker 1>it was heartbreaking. It was very difficult to watch. I

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<v Speaker 1>will admit that I have not been able to watch all.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's seven or eight minutes long. I have

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<v Speaker 1>not made it through that entire video. I mean I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen I've seen clips, and um it's traumatizing. So I

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<v Speaker 1>would say that, UM. I mean my reaction was the

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<v Speaker 1>reaction of I think so many of us that um

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<v Speaker 1>it was necessary. It was unnecessary. And Candice, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you have a responsibility as so many do to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>young people who are ultimately in your care. You know

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<v Speaker 1>you were catching them at an incredibly important and informative age.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you take what's going on in the country

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<v Speaker 1>and you think about your role being as important as

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<v Speaker 1>it ever was, more important maybe than it ever was.

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<v Speaker 1>As as you think about the the young folks that

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<v Speaker 1>that you're trying to to counsel through all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all thinking about it as parents, I know, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you see it through a different lens than I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how you phrased the question, because you're right then,

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<v Speaker 1>um it is it is the care of our student

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<v Speaker 1>athletes that is our priority. And I think that in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways, you know, you feel helpless when you see

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<v Speaker 1>a situation like this and you you start wrapping your

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<v Speaker 1>brain and you it stirs up a lot of emotions,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I start thinking about how not that I

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<v Speaker 1>have a ton of experience, but if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine being a college student and trying to process that

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<v Speaker 1>and make sense of it, how intimidating and overwhelming that

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<v Speaker 1>must be. And I think the thing that we have

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<v Speaker 1>to do is just start with transparency and opthenticity. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are the things I talked with our student athletes about

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<v Speaker 1>UM over the weekend, and same with our staff. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a chance to to really be vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>and wrestle with this together. I don't have all the answers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm real clear about that, but I do want

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<v Speaker 1>our student athletes to understand that we can provide them

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<v Speaker 1>with a safe space to explore how they're feeling, and

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<v Speaker 1>we want to equip them with I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to make sense of something that's just tragic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to make sense of that. But what I

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<v Speaker 1>hope is that our student athletes will feel like they

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<v Speaker 1>can make a difference, Like if they're convicted about this

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<v Speaker 1>topic or anything that they're passionate about, that they'll use

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<v Speaker 1>their plans for them to really affect change and do

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<v Speaker 1>it in a healthy way. The thing I think that

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<v Speaker 1>many of us wrestle with, for many people wrestle with

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<v Speaker 1>when you're just so heartbroken over something and it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to understand why people do certain things. How can you

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<v Speaker 1>mobilize people to want to make a change, but but

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<v Speaker 1>not be so frustrated that you paralyzed or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not have a hard heart and and and that's um

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a challenge for all of us. But

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's a challenge when you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and and you know, it's a privilege to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to be with with with folks when they're

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<v Speaker 1>developing their ideas and they're building a foundation. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>also a huge responsibility, you know, because they looked to us.

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<v Speaker 1>You talked about the care, they looked us for that guidance.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to pivot, uh to your plans at Vanderbilt.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have one last question, and I do wonder Candice,

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<v Speaker 1>what you think is the role and responsibility of of

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<v Speaker 1>sports professional or collegiate in terms of being an agent

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<v Speaker 1>for change. Well, I think when you when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the athletics platform, um I saw I actually saw

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<v Speaker 1>a tweet yesterday that and I'm sure I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>all saw this or other people are saying something similar,

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<v Speaker 1>but it talked about if the world would treat each

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<v Speaker 1>other the way people treat each other in a locker room,

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<v Speaker 1>where they're folks from all walks of life and um

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<v Speaker 1>different perspectives, what they're working towards a common goal. And

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<v Speaker 1>that really struck me because I think that when you

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at athletics and you get on a team,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that people are focused on race or

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<v Speaker 1>geographical area or sexual orientation, or they're they're working together

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<v Speaker 1>to try to win right there, competing on the same

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>team with a common goal. And when I think about

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>that and all the opportunities that have been created. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong, athletics has not been perfect in

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<v Speaker 1>this space, so I'm I'm certainly not saying that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that given the great widespread interests that

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<v Speaker 1>there is an athletics and the way that it allows

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<v Speaker 1>you to cheer for the same thing without regard to

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 1>those things that that that make us different, then I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's kind of a natural thing to look at

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<v Speaker 1>athletics in terms of leadership when it comes to opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>and and to this equality and fairness, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>sport is. Sport is about fairness and and and I

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've got to be careful here because I

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<v Speaker 1>know that that doesn't mean that every athlete as a

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<v Speaker 1>social activist. I understand that. But the fact that sports

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<v Speaker 1>is something that ties a lot of us together and

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<v Speaker 1>brings people to common spaces and allows them to interact

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<v Speaker 1>where these same people might not might not be together

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<v Speaker 1>if if it were not for a football game or

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>soccer match. And I think that that shows us that

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.159
<v Speaker 1>sport has the ability to be far reaching. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think with that there's expectations, right that maybe you can

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>change people's minds or you can raise awareness about something. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>In Canadice, for all of those reasons that you just described,

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<v Speaker 1>we are so collectively interested in seeing sports come back,

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<v Speaker 1>especially college sports come back. I grew up down South,

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of friends who went to Vanderbilt and

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<v Speaker 1>other SEC schools, and there is nothing I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you. There is nothing like SEC sports and

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing like SEC college football. What's right? What's your

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<v Speaker 1>best guess for for what we see this fall? I've

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<v Speaker 1>been really intentional about about not trying to guess. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that we're preparing to come back in the

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<v Speaker 1>fall as scheduled. And and I'm and I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to dodge your question. I think the reality is that

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>this pandemic has taught us that um, as much as

0:27:55.520 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>we think we're in control of things, we're very vulnerable

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and and and that's humbling, especially in athletics, because you know,

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 1>we're we're very focused, we're very regiment we're very structured,

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and and I think there's a lot of humility that

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>comes with knowing that you really don't know what the

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>future holes. Having said that, I was on a call

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>earlier today and the point was made. I had not

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>thought about this, But you know, we've been in this

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 1>mode for you know, roughly ninety days. We still have

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a decent amount of time before we have to play

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 1>our first football game, and and and time is is

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 1>really important here because with each passing day and with

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>each passing week, we learn a little bit more and

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>with more data, you know, you feel armed to make

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>better decisions. And I think that all of us desperately

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>want sports back. It's a rallying cry. It ties communities together.

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>We all we all want something to cheer for, we

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>all want to feel united, and sports is a great

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>way to do that. And I just think we just

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<v Speaker 1>have to be diligent about trying to resume activity in

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the safest way possible. You know, that's part of the

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>care for the student athletes that you all were talking

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>about earlier. That's part of it, right, It's fundamental their

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 1>health and safety and the health and safety of our community.

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>So and um, it's challenging, right sure, well, and and Candice,

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>it also feels like one of the challenges is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be protecting so many of the sports beyond college football,

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>given the economic headwinds that UH that athletic departments are

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<v Speaker 1>going to face. I have to think you're thinking about

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>that as well, given the upside down world we're living

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>in potentially, And I'm not asking you to guess about this,

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, if we have you know, spectator list games,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you sort of thinking about different ways that

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<v Speaker 1>you can ensure that many uh cauge college athletes still

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>get a chance to to play at a time when

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of schools are canceling pro grams. You're right,

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>we're very, very dependent on the revenue that's tied to football.

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>There's no question about that. There's no debating that. You

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>have to look at each individual situation in terms of

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>like how much a particular athletics department depends on revenue

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>that's tied to tickets or concessions or you know, it

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>varies by institution. What doesn't vary, though, is that we

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>all need football. We all we all needed to. It's

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the financial engine that drives everything, you know, and that's

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that's just the way that it's structured. That's Vanderbilt University's

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>first female athletic director, first African American woman to had

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.959
<v Speaker 1>an SEC athletic program, Candice Lee. I gotta say I'm

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>a big fan already. Yeah, the Commodores, man. I mean,

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a really interesting school. It's obviously a very prestigious university.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Plays an important role there in Nashville and in the South.

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>And you know, as you said earlier in the show,

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you know we caught her at an interesting moment. You know,

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>we went into this conversation. I think when we originally

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>had it on our calendar, is thinking, okay, cool, we're

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about what college football is going to

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>be like in the role of student athletes, and you know,

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that we're reminded every day of the interconnectedness

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>of so many things. And you know, having truly a

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>trailblazer in Kandice League take over that role at this

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>moment provided us some fascinating insights. And I've got to say,

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>bottom line, they are preparing to come back in the fall.

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>And then she also really stressed the importance the role

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>of sports at times of division, So that really stayed

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>with me. All Right, that wraps up the first hour

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>of the weekend edition of Bloomberg Business Week from Bloomberg Radio.

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm Jason Kelly and I'm Carol mass are plenty coming

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>up in our next hour, we're gonna continue to explore

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the political and economic aftermath of the civil unrest that

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing in our country. Right now, we're going to

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>hear from John Hope Bryant. He's a guest we really

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to speak to because of the work that he's

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>doing with Operation Hope. We also take you to Topeka, Kansas.

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>We talked to the mayor there. Her personal story is

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<v Speaker 1>incredible and the insights that she has on the ground

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>about the protest, but also the coronavirus. They are riveting.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week from

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm Carol Masser and I'm Jason Kelly.

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Today we're bringing you some of the most important, we

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>hope informative conversations we had on our daily Bloomberg Business

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Week radio show. Wide ranging conversations, serious conversations, Carol, in

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>many ways, and we hope thoughtful, you know, trying to

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>explore with people where we are at this moment through

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>candidly the Bloomberg lens. We're talking about economics, we're talking

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>about business, We're talking about leadership in many ways as

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the country and we as not just humans, but we

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>as business people try and get our arms around where

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 1>we are and where we should go next. And Jason,

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the cover story in the magazine really deep dive into

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the unrest and what's being impacted. Again, like you said,

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 1>everything is connected business, economic, society, the market, and we

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>use that in terms of all of our conversations this week,

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and that included one with Edelman founder and CEO Richard Edelman.

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 1>He reminded us businesses, they are our own best hope.

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>You can't be anti capitalism right now, Companies can make

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>decisions with money and how they spend it to really

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>bring about some significant change. And I think if there's

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>a through line for this hour of the show, that's

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>really it that money and leadership are at the core

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>of all of this. We heard from Frances Fry she was,

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say, one of our favorite interviews of

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the week. She's a professor at Harvard Business School. She's

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>got a new book that's called Unleashed, and really what

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>it's about is looking at leadership from a completely different perspective,

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>in a word, accountability, right and she did it while

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>looking at the companies of Uber and we work specifically

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>changing those toxic cultures for the better. And Carol Economics

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>is that the core of the argument made by John

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Hope Bryant. He's the founder, chairman, and CEO of Operation

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Hope down in Atlanta. He gave us a little bit

0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 1>of a history lesson, but also some very specific steps

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>we need to be thinking about when it comes to

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>being different on the other side of this consciousness, it's

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 1>like a rubber band that has expanded, you know, it

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>never returns to its original side. First of all, thank

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you and your colleagues for all that you do than

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.720
<v Speaker 1>for being a light on the heel in a moment

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>of darkness. The media is playing an outsize role in

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:24.320
<v Speaker 1>our consciousness these days because some of our national leaders

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>are not stepping up in a way that it's holistic,

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>that's bridge building, that's bringing us together, that's providing a

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>light and a way forward. So thank you guys for

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>doing that. You know, you know, a rubber band has expanded,

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>doesn't return as it was original size. It's forever extended.

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>And so when things like this happened, you you stop

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>having black people saying I feel discriminated against and white

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>people saying I have no idea what you're talking about.

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>As Will Smith said, the racism didn't did not get discovered,

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>it got filmed. And now when something like this happens,

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it just becomes undeniable. It's like that people of good will,

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 1>which are most people, just go, that's just that's just ridiculous,

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's disgusting that we can't. We can't, that's

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>not that, that's not our nation, that's not you know

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>what if that's my child and we started having a

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>week conversation and not a Medu conversation and then he

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>began to do something about it. I over the weekend,

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I've had a problem with the looting, and operage was

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>founded in the after the Rhine King rides in, so

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>this strikes me very close to home. Um were the

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 1>largest what we do in the country because we responded

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>differently to the riot. After it was over, he decided

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>to respond, not react. But this rioting and the looting

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>of that continues. We will destroy the moral authority that

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:42.799
<v Speaker 1>George Floyd's gave us. To honor his legacy. I was,

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, talking to some young people, and they said, John,

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.320
<v Speaker 1>you get to be at the table. You know you

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you get to talk to people, you get to do media,

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 1>you get to go to the White House, you get

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 1>to go go you know, CEOs offices. And they listened

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 1>to you. We've been listen. We've been talking. My my

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>grandfather was talking, my father has been talking, and I'm talking.

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 1>They don't listen to us. No one listens to us

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>until we tear some stuff up. So he said, look,

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>we don't want to tear stuff up. It's primarily not

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 1>us tearing stuff up. We've been infiltrated, so and so forth.

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 1>But what stuff gets torn up people are actually listening

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 1>to us. So now we can handle the time back

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 1>to you to go talk for us in these board

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 1>rooms and and hopefully cut a deal to get me

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:25.479
<v Speaker 1>an internship to stop the poverty, sto increase the peace,

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 1>and Greece of legislation to get us some fairness. And

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that goes back to that Dctor King quote.

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>He said the violence is the language of the unseen,

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and they unheard. Dr King wasn't endorsing violence, he was

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.919
<v Speaker 1>acknowledging the pain. Well, and jentlemen, I'm glad you brought

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 1>up Dr King because you're there in Atlanta, and I

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of us saw your mayor, and I'm

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>from Atlanta, as you know, and so I was paying

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>very close attention, even close for attention to it. The

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 1>legacy of Dr King and the legacy of so many others,

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>whether it's former mayor and de Young, whether it's obviously

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Congressman Lewis, and so many others like you who are

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>down there in Atlanta, which has again such a rich

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>legacy here. What have you learned and what are we

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>learning there that maybe we can taken in a broader

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 1>sense because mayor Bottoms, you know, spoke so passionately about

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 1>the that legacy, and I wonder how that translates, especially

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>to a business audience. Yeah, so that's a very good question.

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that this goes back, you know, by the

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>way things are calming down here where things are popping

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 1>off and heating up other places. We're starting to transition

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.399
<v Speaker 1>a bit here. And I think it's part in part

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>because the mayor, who's a black woman, said stop saluting

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>like you're not honoring our legacy. This is ridiculous. She

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>she behaved like a parent, and a lot of our

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 1>national leaders are not behaving my good parents. Then you've

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<v Speaker 1>had corporate leaders step up, and that's Operation Hope founder

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>John Hope Bryant. Of the many favorite conversations we had

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>this week, I have to say that one stood abou

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 1>in part because we found ourselves. I think it's safe

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to say both of us. Carol quoting him back to

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.359
<v Speaker 1>other people throughout the gross. I sent him an email

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 1>late in the week basically saying that this notion that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a crisis of poverty, this is a crisis

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>of economics that we're facing. It's structural, it's not new

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>it's literally hundreds of years old, and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>face that if we're going to do anything about it. Well,

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 1>he's so right, and he said, what happened with George Floyd. Yes,

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>obviously upsetting, obviously wrong. We know that, but it's not new.

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>And he did say for companies, for leaders, you have

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to reimagine your budget. Where are you spending your ad dollars,

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Where are you putting, you know, efforts into internships, where

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>are they going? And you need to think about the

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>broader population. You need to think about the minority population

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>if you really want to bring about some changes because

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, and as he said, this is about poverty,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about economics. That's how you make changes. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting later on in the show, we're gonna hear echoes

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of that when we hear from Richard Edelman, because he

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>talks about the specific steps that he's going to take

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>at his company, and you have to get down to

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>brass tacks to really understand where we move forward. And

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that's part of the conversation we're going to have next

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<v Speaker 1>with the mayor of Topeka, Kansas, Michelle de la Isla,

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 1>on how her city is dealing with unrest and inequality.

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Carol Masser and Jason Kelly from Bloomberg Radio. Jason, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of our conversations revolved around the protests that have

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<v Speaker 1>been happening in cities across the country this week, and

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<v Speaker 1>that included in Tobecca, Kansas, and we caught up with

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<v Speaker 1>the mayor of Topeka, Kansas, Michelle de la Isla, who

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about the support she has given to the protesters

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, talked about some of the division that

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing right now in her city as well as

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>across the country. I loved her story. It's a very

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>personal one and it's a reminder that mayors, they are

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<v Speaker 1>on the front lines, and they are human beings and

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 1>they are citizens. Ultimately, the stories that she told us

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 1>really emphasized is that check this conversation out. Let's start

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>with the history of the city as the city of

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Topeka is the home of brown Bie Board and I

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's one of the things that I'm extremely

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>proud of and have seen our citizens speak up very

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 1>loudly about the injustices that we have been seeing in

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:21.919
<v Speaker 1>our nation. Occur UM with regards to African Americans being

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:26.759
<v Speaker 1>spotted UM not only by by the hands of regular citizens,

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>but also by a scene the death of George Floyd

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:33.879
<v Speaker 1>UH that has left our community completely heartbroken. I think

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I shared a few days ago. I think it was

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 1>last week. The days become hours and and and years,

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, But I remember after seeing those events I

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.280
<v Speaker 1>shared with my community that I just cried myself to sleep.

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>UM A Modobrey, Brianna Taylor, UM, George Floyd are just

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<v Speaker 1>three of the examples of so many things that have

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 1>happened in our community that I know also well because

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>as soon as I became elected, we had UM the

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 1>fatal shooting of a young man called dominiqu White UM

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.879
<v Speaker 1>who later on was found to have a firearm on him,

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 1>but regardless, it was the death of a young man

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>who happened to be African American. And and we had

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>our Caucasian officers in that situation in our community all

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>too well. Understands our community having an outcry and and

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 1>asking for action UM. And it's been beautiful to see

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 1>that the work that we have done in our community

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 1>since then, UM has started creating a positive ripple effect

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:33.359
<v Speaker 1>as part of the protests that we've had in our

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 1>community have been extremely peaceful with police involvement, so much

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>so that I was privileged to bend my knee with

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 1>my police chief side by side and having our police officers,

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 1>UM support a lot of the rallies that we've been having. However,

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>we also had just Monday, UM, one of our peaceful

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>protests have a secondary protest that became violent. So the

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.280
<v Speaker 1>same thing that is happening in the nation is happening

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>here in Topeka, Kansas. So I read, UM, I was

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:03.880
<v Speaker 1>reading some press coverage of what's been going on in

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>your in your city, and I believe something you said

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 1>was I think that people have a lot of anger.

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of pent up frustration in regard to

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.359
<v Speaker 1>the inequities that we've been having in this country. So

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the anger and the injustices we know mayor Delisa is

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.479
<v Speaker 1>not They're not new, right, So how do we take

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 1>this and how do we take this and turn it

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>into actions that make a difference, really make a difference.

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Brown v Board is what over sixty years ago,

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:33.479
<v Speaker 1>over sixty UM. I think that first of the things,

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the first thing that we need to do is to

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 1>be comfortable with having uncomfortable conversations. UM. I think that

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of families and a lot of individuals, especially

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>are our Caucasian brothers and sisters, are very uncomfortable talking

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 1>not about the gory of how our nation started. But

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>we also will always want to focus on the glory,

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 1>right um. And when I talk to groups and I

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 1>talked about inclusion, I always talk about how, yes, our

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>country was built on the premise of liberty and um,

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 1>freedom of expression and freedom of worship. However, in that

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>same breath, people stopped and picked up my great great

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.480
<v Speaker 1>great great grandmother in Africa and decided to make our

0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:15.880
<v Speaker 1>slaves based on the color of our skin. And we

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>have never talked about those inequities that have been happening.

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:20.839
<v Speaker 1>And if we really want to see change, we need

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 1>to start creating conversations and spaces in which we could

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 1>talk about the origins of our country, the fact that

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 1>we instill slavery just based on the color of skins

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>of individuals, that we have deprived individuals from having access

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>to success, and that still continues in these systems. But

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>most importantly, once we have those real conversations, we have

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to follow them up by having people elected that can

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 1>really make a change in these policies and making sure

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that people who feel this en franchise actually vote. Um,

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:54.279
<v Speaker 1>it's imperative because we wouldn't be able to have these

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 1>conversations if we wouldn't have people in office. Then now

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>are able to have these conversations about wanting to hide

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>from them. And if we want to see change, it

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>has to start at the polls. It has to start

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 1>with us being on board decisions, with voting and with

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:12.320
<v Speaker 1>being engaged. So what have you seen over the last

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:16.280
<v Speaker 1>few days in in any sort of change in tone

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 1>or change in rhetoric that that either gives you hope

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>or you know, maybe it gives you a little bit

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.879
<v Speaker 1>of pessimism. I'm guessing you're going to lean towards hope,

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 1>just based on a little bit of the of your

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.319
<v Speaker 1>tone and some of the things I've I've seen you say,

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:35.359
<v Speaker 1>mayor so here is some some examples of hope. When

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I first got elected that we had in our laps,

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 1>the loss of Domini, wife's uh life. Um, we were

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>we were scared about having conversations on race. We were

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 1>scared about standing up and saying hey, we we don't

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:53.959
<v Speaker 1>quite understand, because I can tell you as a woman

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 1>of color, um, I do still have the sticker shock

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 1>of walking into boardrooms were not the only person that

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm the only female and the only person of color,

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 1>sometimes in a position of leadership. But in my condition,

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the only bad experience that I had what a police

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:14.720
<v Speaker 1>officer was when my son UM, who has some severe

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 1>persistent mental illness, was pulling his seatbelt off. And that

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 1>was at the time before I was mayor or a

0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>person known in the community, driving a beat of Taurus

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>with two kids in the back, and he pulled the seatbelt.

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 1>And when I went to explain to the officer that

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have my seatbelt because I was doing the

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 1>mama drive of telling my kid, get your seatbell and

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>I get stopped right, and instead of me having an

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.359
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to have any legal representation, I was told, hey, uh,

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>just say Nola Contendra when you're in front of the

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.919
<v Speaker 1>judge and it'll be fine. Um. So that's my only

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>bad experience that I ever had. So I thought that's

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 1>as worse as it gets, right, and all of us

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that in in seventeen I get immersed into this whole

0:45:55.400 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>different perspective of what black men and women are dealing

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 1>within their communities. Why other individuals who are social economically

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 1>disadvantage we're dealing within our communities. And it was a

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 1>state of shock. And that's Topeka Mayor Michelle de la

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Isla a very important and I think strong voice in

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>all of this. A reminder again that mayors they are

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 1>dealing with all aspects of this. And hearing her talk

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>about not just her personal experience in interactions with the police,

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>but also the work that she's doing around the virus

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and helping to understand the front line of that battle

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>as well. I really took a lot from this conversation. Well,

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>she reminded us Jason that brown v board right over

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 1>sixty five years ago happened in Topeka, right so that

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 1>they have been dealing with injustices and equality. You know,

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just in the fabric of that city. What I

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>loved about what she had to say is you have

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>to get comfortable about being uncomfortable, and you need to

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>talk about the origins of our country to really understand

0:46:56.640 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 1>what's going on and to bring about change. That they

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 1>stayed with me. You're listening to Bloomberg Bus Week coming up.

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Richard Edelman. He talks to us about what he's hearing

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>from c e O s and what he's telling his

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 1>own employees about both of the major crises we're facing,

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>COVID and it's aftermath, but also the death of George

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Floyd and what it means as leaders re examine what

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:27.920
<v Speaker 1>companies they want to lead. This is Bloomberg. You're listening

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 1>to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Jason Kelly

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>from Bloomberg Radio. Today we're bring you some of the

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 1>most important, we hope informative conversations we had on our

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week radio show. We're here every day two

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>pm to six pm Wall Street Time, and a complicated

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 1>week to say the least, Carol, a troubling week, but

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:51.879
<v Speaker 1>we brought I think some interesting conversations to bear as

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>we all try and move forward. Well yeah, I mean, Jason,

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Companies right um having their hands full back to back crises,

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>first the virus and now the civil unrest that's really

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 1>shutting down cities again in reaction to the death of

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:05.880
<v Speaker 1>George Floyd. Richard Edelman is someone who is in constant

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 1>communication with corporate leaders, really all leaders. He is the

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 1>founder and CEO of the Global Communications from Edelman, and

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 1>he talked to us about what needs to change in

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the corporate community in order to really bring about change

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 1>and get to those inequalities in our society. What happened

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>is that, UM, this is more global. It's also more

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 1>cross industries than we expected, UM into cars, energy, UM.

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 1>And then on top of that, we had one major

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 1>account shift and then it happens in our business. UM.

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 1>But you know, we still have people around the world,

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and UM, we are going to run our business and

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:48.400
<v Speaker 1>break even for the next period of time because I

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:50.719
<v Speaker 1>want to keep as many people as we can and

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 1>we're a family business, so we can do that well.

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>And Richard, I have to say in Caroline, I've been

0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:58.719
<v Speaker 1>talking about it sort of off air as we've been

0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>prepping for this, you know, and I don't often do this,

0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 1>but you know, kudos to you for for owning it.

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:06.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is it's a tough time and I

0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 1>do think that, and I think that that leads us

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 1>right into to the next thing we want to talk

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 1>to you about, which is we seem to be at

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a moment. We talked a little bit about this last time,

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:18.839
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like it's become much sharper or coming

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to much sharper relief, which is leaders really need to

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:24.280
<v Speaker 1>speak to their own employees and speak to the public

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 1>even more candidly and even more forthrightly, not just about

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.959
<v Speaker 1>their own businesses, but about the issues of the day

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and civil unrest and what it means and the deep injustices,

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.479
<v Speaker 1>UH and inequality that we're seeing here. Tell us about

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the conversations first you're having internally, and then maybe expand

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 1>to some of the folks that that you're talking to.

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 1>As Carol said that the leaders in the world, Well,

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:54.839
<v Speaker 1>on Friday, we had our community of people who are

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>of color on the phone and when your man was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how he had been apprehended and by police

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and unfairly and another you know African American woman has

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>brothers and she wonders whether they're going to come home

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 1>at night, and you know, it's just surreal. UM And

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and I've made a commitment for Edelman that we're going

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:20.839
<v Speaker 1>to UM offer money for anybody who's a person who

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<v Speaker 1>interested vice president of to go on boards of local

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 1>NGOs UM that are actually serving in distress communities. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's important and also We're going to double our

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 1>purchases from UM minority owned small business because again, I

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.840
<v Speaker 1>want to get people back to work. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the key point in all of this. We can't have

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<v Speaker 1>this be an anti capitalism moment. You know, the idea

0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:50.920
<v Speaker 1>of community versus capitalism is such a false choice. And

0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I want people to recognize that business is the best

0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.759
<v Speaker 1>hope here, not government UM and that UM. If we

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 1>can get stores and communities and training centers and and

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and and help people, you know, get skills, then then

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 1>we're going to really be much better off. This mirror

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 1>is exactly what John Hope Bryant said to us that

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Operation Hope, and he said, ultimately is you need to

0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:17.959
<v Speaker 1>have companies, you know, speak with their with their money,

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.080
<v Speaker 1>with their dollars, what they decided to spend money on,

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>whether it's minority owned businesses, you know, as part of

0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:27.320
<v Speaker 1>their supply chain, whether it's creating internships that provide jobs

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.239
<v Speaker 1>for minorities. He said, you know, this is a poverty problem,

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and that's how you, you know, Richard, ultimately fix it. Well, Carol,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the idea of also recruiting at junior colleges,

0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 1>primarily black colleges, you know, we can't just have the

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:45.919
<v Speaker 1>same universities be our feeders. And over time, UM, we're

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.919
<v Speaker 1>going to be a majority minority country and that's who

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:52.880
<v Speaker 1>should be the workforce. And we need to push and

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 1>use this moment as a wake up UM too to

0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:59.240
<v Speaker 1>get to get action. And the CEO, as I'm talking

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to a totally on this, they want to UM, they

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:06.640
<v Speaker 1>want to be part of the solution. They feel deeply

0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>moved by what happened last week. They're disgusted by the

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:14.839
<v Speaker 1>murder of that young man and it's unacceptable, but they

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:21.360
<v Speaker 1>want to fix the underlying problems of sickness and obesity

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and ill health and like this. That's Edelman founder and CEO,

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Richard Edelman, and god, I really feel like, first of all, Jason,

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>we talked to him because he had to let workers

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<v Speaker 1>go as well after making some promises back in March

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.480
<v Speaker 1>that he didn't expect to do that. So he's dealing

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:40.280
<v Speaker 1>with all of this on a personal level as well,

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:42.799
<v Speaker 1>and the responsibility of running a firm and kind of

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 1>keeping it going and what's going to be possibly you know,

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 1>tougher economic times. But also got into you know, the

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 1>commitment of global leaders, what they need to be doing

0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 1>right now to bring about change, especially when we've got

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 1>such a divided country. You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up Harvard Busines of School professor Frances Fry. She's

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<v Speaker 1>very popular at the school. She's got a new book out.

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 1>It's called Unleashed, The Unapologetic Leader's Guide to empowering everyone

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<v Speaker 1>around you. She was brought in to fix uber and

0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:13.719
<v Speaker 1>we works toxic cultures. Man, I could have talked to

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 1>her for hours. Oh, you're gonna love this conversation because

0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:20.200
<v Speaker 1>you just get a sense of she's got some stories.

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 1>This is Blipper. You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Carol Masser and Jason Kelly from Bloomberg Radio. So Jason

0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 1>will bring you some of the most important and informative

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:37.879
<v Speaker 1>conversations we had throughout the week. We continue to talk,

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of course about the big story, the virus and you know,

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 1>companies reopening, the economy reopening. But again, of course, all

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of that was overshadowed by the civic unrest that we

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 1>saw in the country, um in major cities in the

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:55.160
<v Speaker 1>aftermath of the killing of George Floyd Well, and it's

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:58.839
<v Speaker 1>putting leaders on the front foot and leaders in the spotlight.

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 1>So we turned into Harvard Business School professor Francis Fry.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of these conversations. Full confession that when

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 1>we finished talking to her after fifteen or twenty minutes,

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought, no, no, no, no, no, don't keep going.

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Don't go. She's got a new book. It's called Unleashed,

0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:16.759
<v Speaker 1>The Unapologetic Leader's Guide to Empowering Everyone around You. The

0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>lessons they are not obvious in many ways, and they

0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:23.760
<v Speaker 1>are drawn on some pretty amazing experiences she has had. Personally.

0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:26.920
<v Speaker 1>She is not an Ivory Tower type. She's been in

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the trenches. And when I say trenches, we're talking uber

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and we work. I think that there are great leaders

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and then there are people that are not very good leaders.

0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I think leadership can be taught. So for those that

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<v Speaker 1>for those leaders that aren't doing a good job, if

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:43.920
<v Speaker 1>they have the desire to get better, we can teach them.

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>If they don't have the desire to get better, I

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:48.560
<v Speaker 1>wish for them to step aside. How do you teach them?

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Because these are these are tough people who are often

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.800
<v Speaker 1>in positions where they are and you have run into

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 1>some of them very directly, who are very confident and

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.839
<v Speaker 1>they know where they're going. I just finished listening to

0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:05.880
<v Speaker 1>a six part podcast on we Work, and you know

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:08.560
<v Speaker 1>more about that story, uh than I do. But but

0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I do wonder how do you break through to two

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 1>people or there's some who just can't be broken through. Well,

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I find that if you can break through, it's usually

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 1>either through emotion or logic. And the lesson to be

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:26.880
<v Speaker 1>learned is that if someone is if someone is like

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 1>at an emotional level, no amount of logic is going

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:32.399
<v Speaker 1>to penetrate. And if someone is at a logical level,

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 1>no amount of motion is going to penetrate. So you

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 1>have to see where they are and then bring either

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the moral or the rational argument to them. Um, I

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:45.680
<v Speaker 1>will tell you in my lifetime, I have met very

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:51.200
<v Speaker 1>few people that uh didn't want to improve. Well so,

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:53.880
<v Speaker 1>so okay, so take us back to you are hired

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 1>your tap to be Uber's first senior VP of Leadership

0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:02.080
<v Speaker 1>and Strategy, curious about the conversations to get you there,

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and then you walk in the and then you walk

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:05.880
<v Speaker 1>in the door, and then what so just take us

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:09.319
<v Speaker 1>back there. Yeah. So I was asked to go by

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:11.839
<v Speaker 1>a former student to go and meet with the then

0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:15.640
<v Speaker 1>CEO Travis kalmick Um, And my first reaction was no,

0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:18.840
<v Speaker 1>because I, like everyone else, had read the newspaper and said,

0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:21.799
<v Speaker 1>I only like to help good people win. This does

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:25.440
<v Speaker 1>not seem like a good person. So no. And the

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:29.560
<v Speaker 1>student was said, UM, I think he's a very good person.

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I think he's out of his depth on parts of

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the job. Will you do me a favor and come

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 1>meet with him? And so I flew out to California.

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I was planning to meet with him for an hour,

0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and I stayed for three days um talking with him

0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and realized that this was a person who was last job,

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:50.680
<v Speaker 1>he had led eight people, this company had gone through

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:53.680
<v Speaker 1>hyper growth. It now had between ten and fifteen thousand people.

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So he totally needed help and leadership. But you know

0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 1>how I knew that. He said, I totally need help

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.960
<v Speaker 1>on leadership, and then on the strategy part. You know,

0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>he's like a mad genius in his mind, but it

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:08.239
<v Speaker 1>wasn't getting out into the minds of everyone in the organization.

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.479
<v Speaker 1>And so he asked me to help strategy, at least

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:13.360
<v Speaker 1>in so far as we could communicate it so that

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:16.439
<v Speaker 1>everyone was going off the same script. And then he said,

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:20.120
<v Speaker 1>you have full license to do what's ever necessary. That

0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:21.880
<v Speaker 1>was my conversation with him. And then I went and

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 1>met with a lot of employees, thought a lot of them.

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I interacted with about fift employees before I

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:31.760
<v Speaker 1>said yes, because I only like to help good people win.

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And if I didn't have the sense that this was

0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:38.600
<v Speaker 1>overwhelmingly good people, I could never have gone to the organization.

0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And I have to say it was overwhelmingly good people.

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:44.880
<v Speaker 1>And you walked out of there feeling the same way.

0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, So you know, nine months later, the culture

0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:51.520
<v Speaker 1>was completely turned around. Everything that you've read about in

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:53.840
<v Speaker 1>the culture back in two thousand and seventeen. None of

0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 1>that could happen today, like just literally none of it.

0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:58.800
<v Speaker 1>And we had it. We had it. None of it

0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:02.919
<v Speaker 1>could have happened within nine months. Um, And we've taught,

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 1>We've brought in the largest executive education program I think

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 1>ever into a company. UM, And I've never met such

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:15.520
<v Speaker 1>willing learners. I love this notion that you talked about

0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>in the book, which is in in some ways turning

0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 1>leadership on its head, or at least broadening there, widening

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the aperture a bit, because I think we we think

0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:31.040
<v Speaker 1>so much about you know I'm the leader, I'm the decider,

0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>and you know it needs to be about me and

0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I need to sort of have this command and control.

0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:40.640
<v Speaker 1>And you make a different argument. I think help us

0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:45.000
<v Speaker 1>understand your sort of rubric I guess for thinking about leadership. Yeah,

0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 1>and I do make I think the exact opposite argument.

0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 1>So you're exactly right. No, as what you were saying,

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 1>oh good, okay, I was like, wow, I really misunderstood

0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:56.680
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying. No, no, no, no, I was giving

0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 1>sorry you couldn't see me. I was nodding vigorously. So

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:05.920
<v Speaker 1>leadership is about making other people better, Like leadership fundamentally

0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 1>is about other people. And so the mistake that some

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>people make is that they think their job is to

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 1>be leaderly. And it's like they have a mirror in

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:15.840
<v Speaker 1>their office and they keep looking in their mirror to

0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 1>see how they're doing. And you should really put a

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.479
<v Speaker 1>window in your office because you should be spending all

0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:24.120
<v Speaker 1>of your time seeing how other people are doing. And

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a job of a leader is to make others better

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:29.840
<v Speaker 1>in there as a result of their presence and into

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:33.720
<v Speaker 1>their absence. And so I do think that it does

0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:36.760
<v Speaker 1>really turn around what leadership is because it's not about

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the leaders. In fact, our first chapter is called It's

0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 1>not about You? So how do you do that? Like?

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:45.919
<v Speaker 1>What does that look like in practice? When I walk

0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>into a meeting if the most interesting person in the

0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>room to me is me and I'm happiest when everyone

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.840
<v Speaker 1>else is looking at me. But if when I walk

0:59:55.880 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 1>into a room, the most important people to me are

0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 1>everyone else in the room and my helping to set

1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:04.600
<v Speaker 1>them up for success, and I will be looking super

1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:07.680
<v Speaker 1>curiously and with all of my attention of how can

1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I make you better? Like what are the obstacles in

1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the way, how can I get you to reach higher?

1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:15.760
<v Speaker 1>How can I get you to develop more skills to

1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:19.760
<v Speaker 1>do a better job. So it's really it's not self distracted,

1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:22.840
<v Speaker 1>it's other distracted. We're just like sitting with this. Jason

1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and I are looking at each other because this is

1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>pretty powerful, Um, you know, apply it. And I wonder,

1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:31.920
<v Speaker 1>how are you looking at what what you're saying right

1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>now and what you've just written in this book With

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in the world and what's been going

1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:39.320
<v Speaker 1>on in the world for the last three months, the

1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:42.880
<v Speaker 1>virus first of all, and what's been kind of put

1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:47.240
<v Speaker 1>front and center once again, those things that ail our society.

1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:49.480
<v Speaker 1>We knew that they were there, but you know, we're

1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:51.960
<v Speaker 1>being confronted with it. And then certainly what happened with

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:56.200
<v Speaker 1>George Floyd in Minneapolis. Yeah, so I'll start with George Floyd.

1:00:56.520 --> 1:01:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh that which is you know, our kind tree has

1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:04.600
<v Speaker 1>been grappling with issues of race for I don't know,

1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:08.560
<v Speaker 1>close to four hundred years, and we've never dealt with them.

1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:13.240
<v Speaker 1>And UM, I think that everyone probably because we're all

1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:16.080
<v Speaker 1>in COVID together and we're all breathing the same breath.

1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Everyone witnessed it seems at the same time the death

1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:21.120
<v Speaker 1>of a man because of the color of his skin,

1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and this time it has sparked collective reckoning um and

1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:31.560
<v Speaker 1>feels like at least the first moment in my life

1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:36.840
<v Speaker 1>where we might be willing to change. Um. But what

1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:38.840
<v Speaker 1>we know about change is you have to do three things.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're going to change. You have to honor the past.

1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:44.680
<v Speaker 1>We've never done that regarding race. You have to have

1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a clear and compelling change mandate. We have that right now.

1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And you have to have a rigorous and optimistic way forward.

1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And so I think great leaders will honor the past

1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:58.600
<v Speaker 1>and we'll have an optimistic, a rigorous and optimistic way

1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:01.080
<v Speaker 1>forward and the same thing. And that's like point lead

1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:05.480
<v Speaker 1>for George Floyd. It's also what's happened with COVID, you know, um,

1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:08.960
<v Speaker 1>like I think you could line up great leaders, great

1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:11.640
<v Speaker 1>world leaders, from pop to bottom and look at how

1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:14.200
<v Speaker 1>well their countries are responding, and it's like a one

1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:17.760
<v Speaker 1>to one, Like great leadership is playing out on the

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<v Speaker 1>world stage. We're all given the same conditions. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not it's about setting others up for success

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<v Speaker 1>or whether or not the leaders thinks that leadership is

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<v Speaker 1>all about them. It's like pretty straightforward. Yeah, when I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we're seeing that at companies too, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we're seeing, you know, both in terms of COVID

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<v Speaker 1>and in terms of the reaction to the to the

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<v Speaker 1>murder of George Floyd, you know, the that exact same

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<v Speaker 1>thing that it's all the same circumstances and and granted,

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<v Speaker 1>their little variables here and there about what type of

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<v Speaker 1>company you run, but but it seems like so much

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<v Speaker 1>of it is ultimately about and we have these conversations

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, leaders being a link to to say

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<v Speaker 1>something in many ways, and it seems so simple, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that gets lost. It's like Twitter versus

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook right now. Oh, you know, those are two platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got on my first social media platform and

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<v Speaker 1>that's LinkedIn. I'm on neither Twitter nor book. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>do well with distress. And that's Harvard Business School Professor

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<v Speaker 1>Francis Fry I will say, Carol. The other thing we

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<v Speaker 1>realized was we've done a show at Harvard Business School

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<v Speaker 1>and we thought, man, we got to get her the

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<v Speaker 1>next time we go up. She was so fun and

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<v Speaker 1>so candid and really bringing some serious insights at a

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<v Speaker 1>time where we really need them. You know what's interesting too,

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<v Speaker 1>She talked about especially in terms of the civic unrest

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<v Speaker 1>and what's happening in terms of inequalities. Um. She talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how our companies have been grappling with issues of

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<v Speaker 1>race for four hundred years. She reminded us that this

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<v Speaker 1>has not been something that just popped up. It's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>been around for a long time. And she said, because

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<v Speaker 1>of COVID nineteen, because all of us being at home,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all witnessing the death of a black man at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. That's really powerful, and that's had a

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<v Speaker 1>very very big impact, and we do want you to

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<v Speaker 1>hear this entire conversation, so check out our Business Week

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<v Speaker 1>Extra podcast we've actually got to this week one from

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Ryan up at p w C, and also this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with Frances. It's a good one. She also said,

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<v Speaker 1>very few people who don't want to get better, which

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<v Speaker 1>gives me some hope, some optimism, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>a really great way to wrap up our show. And

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<v Speaker 1>that does wrap up the weekend edition to Bloomberg Business

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<v Speaker 1>Week from Bloomberg Radio. Thanks so much for joining us.

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