WEBVTT - “Inspirations Part 1”

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to those amigos with Freda Rodriguez and yours

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<v Speaker 1>truly when my mother, Ama, well, what do you uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we doing here? What is this thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we continue to sit on?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, still a little coffee? Are we gonna move

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<v Speaker 2>on to something else?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think we're gonna have to spice

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<v Speaker 3>us up a little bit. Spice it up, man, spice

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<v Speaker 3>it up.

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<v Speaker 2>With our good friend there, Aaron was good.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, everything is everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I am just having a great time listening to you

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<v Speaker 1>all reflect on life and everything in between.

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<v Speaker 3>And thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron is one of our executive producers here whose whose

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge for conversation is in incomparable. So we're so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>to you here with us here, and you know it lead

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<v Speaker 1>us into our next conversation next Chad. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>know I will be you know I would be fullished

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<v Speaker 1>in our point out. That has been such a privilege

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<v Speaker 1>to get to know you on such a level. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's crazy we know each other so well,

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<v Speaker 1>and every episode we dig deeper on the roots of

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<v Speaker 1>how this all really happened, and it continued to validates

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<v Speaker 1>why I think you're such a special human being that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so proud that it show can you know, introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to so many people too, and and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>to give like some of our existing friends and family

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<v Speaker 1>and just you know, maybe some of our fans, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a window at what it took for us to get

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<v Speaker 1>to their homes or to the theaters, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's fun. And as we think about that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think about inspiration.

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<v Speaker 3>What is this inspiration?

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about our breaks, you know, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>what it took there, the mentality that we had to

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<v Speaker 1>have to go into these rooms and conquer Goliath in

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<v Speaker 1>different ways and not know that we were actually performing

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<v Speaker 1>at that level and giving ourselves that great in that

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<v Speaker 1>space to kind of appreciate that trajectory from you and

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<v Speaker 1>from me. But there's a lot of inspiration that had

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<v Speaker 1>to be around us, I would think, right, I would

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<v Speaker 1>think that we would have to have had certain images,

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<v Speaker 1>certain individuals that did it first perhaps, or individuals that

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<v Speaker 1>you know that somehow, you know, we're along the way

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of helped us see a deeper version of

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves or more I don't know, a vulnerable yet powerful

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<v Speaker 1>version of ourselves. And you know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people I believe in my career that I can look

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<v Speaker 1>back at, well, I mean who was my inspiration who

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<v Speaker 1>told me that I could too? So for you, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what were some of those images, What were some of

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<v Speaker 1>those individuals that you were like, oh, that's like me,

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<v Speaker 1>or like oh I can do it like them, or

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<v Speaker 1>even if that wasn't it just like just knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility was, you know, was was out there for

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<v Speaker 1>you to reach out to, Like who were some of

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<v Speaker 1>these images when some of these people that inspire you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, you know, for me growing up in Chicago

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<v Speaker 4>and having two older brothers, I was lucky enough to

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<v Speaker 4>almost live their teenage years vicariously do them right, And

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<v Speaker 4>so we would you know, we lived in a in

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<v Speaker 4>a one television household with like a lot of Latino families. Oh, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 4>the dials, the hangar as, the pliers to like change

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<v Speaker 4>the channel. But I remember really early on watching TV

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<v Speaker 4>with my brothers and them pointing out, always pointing out

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<v Speaker 4>who the Latino Latino actors are, right, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>We obviously grew up with like with the Rita.

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<v Speaker 4>Morenos of the world, with the Anthony Quinns of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>You know people like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember vividly, like Jimmy Smith's being on TV and

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<v Speaker 4>my brothers pointing.

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<v Speaker 3>Out, like, yo, that guy's Latino.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. I remember seeing East SiGe Morales in the

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<v Speaker 4>in the in the eighties. I remember seeing Andy Garcia

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<v Speaker 4>in the nineties when he first came out and what

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<v Speaker 4>a what an incredible movie star he was, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it was the first time I had ever really seen

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<v Speaker 4>someone like that and and speak Spanish and like a

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<v Speaker 4>like a major.

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<v Speaker 1>Blockbuster studio movie, you even play other ethnicities, right, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, right, playing playing Italian and The Godfather or

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<v Speaker 4>the Untouchables, you know. And then I remember seeing Leguzamo,

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<v Speaker 4>our mutual friend John Leguizamo. And the reason why John

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<v Speaker 4>resonated a lot with me was, you know, seeing Jimmy

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<v Speaker 4>who was so classy and or or Andy who was

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<v Speaker 4>born in Cuba, like John, was one of the first

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<v Speaker 4>guys that I saw that I felt like I could

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<v Speaker 4>see that guy in my neighborhood. You know, there was

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<v Speaker 4>a deeper familiarity with him, and so I remember watching

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<v Speaker 4>him and following him closely and really being proud of

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<v Speaker 4>what he was doing and also giving me the inspiration

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<v Speaker 4>and an example of what I could do when I started.

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<v Speaker 1>And how different, right, I mean, he was such a

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<v Speaker 1>different type of performer and he was doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like nobody else was.

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<v Speaker 1>He allowed himself to be a different type of performer

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<v Speaker 1>that was bringing something to the table that was not going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Every perform you remember every performance, yeah, I mean even

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<v Speaker 1>as like all the way to like the clown and spawn, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's done so much iconic stuff to that point,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he does the clown and you're like what

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but he was taking shots and he was

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<v Speaker 1>taking chances with his performances and his choices that just

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<v Speaker 1>most actors wouldn't, you know. And you know some people

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<v Speaker 1>would be afraid to do it, to do those too

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<v Speaker 1>well because they could get typecasts, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was just one of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was unapologetically Latino the entire time at a

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<v Speaker 1>time where Latino wasn't necessarily the popular cast.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, and wasn't afraid to be a character actors scrappier,

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<v Speaker 4>yeah yeah, And came from that generation of what we

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<v Speaker 4>were talking about this earlier, of like character actors, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like creating characters and voices and completely losing yourself and

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<v Speaker 4>the character. And he definitely embodied that. You know what

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<v Speaker 4>about you, I mean, you know you you came here

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<v Speaker 4>as a teenager, and this is pre internet, pre cable.

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<v Speaker 4>I would assume like, what was I mean, what were

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<v Speaker 4>you watching out in Venezuela that that inspired you, that

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<v Speaker 4>made you think that it was possible for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Venezuela, you know, Venezuela is like always ten

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<v Speaker 1>years late to get like new programming. So my collective

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<v Speaker 1>archives of television memories, Yes, it was crazy until I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching first of all, I Love Lucy in Spanish,

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<v Speaker 1>course in Spanish, in Spanish, which by the way, I

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<v Speaker 1>never knew he had an accent until I watched it

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<v Speaker 1>in English and in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, wait, so what did it sound like? How

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<v Speaker 2>did he sound in Spanish?

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<v Speaker 1>He sounded like the entire cast was speaking in Spanish.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not in Spanish. None of them had accents. Huh, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were speaking Spanish.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I came to the United States and then

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<v Speaker 1>I was learning how to speak English, I went back

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<v Speaker 1>because I've seen every episode of I Love Lucy, and

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<v Speaker 1>when I started watching I Love Lucy again, I realized, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, that's what Lucy both sounds.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, and he has an accent, right, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a magical moment for me. When I

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<v Speaker 1>heard his accent. I was like, oh, that's like me.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an accent. I just learned how to speak English.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an accent too. But you know, beyond that,

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<v Speaker 1>back and when it's well that we were watching stuff

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, there was a live action Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>from the seventies or in the early eighties, you know

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<v Speaker 1>whatever there was, you know, lu Forarigno's Hole, Charlie's Angels,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, chips. I wanted to be punched so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, and you think about all those shows,

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<v Speaker 1>you know further, and then you kind of had a

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<v Speaker 1>collect every think like the Simpsons were playing and like

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<v Speaker 1>The Fresh Prince, you know, shows like that that were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously making its way into syndication around the world. Literally,

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<v Speaker 1>did I know the syndication was created by the one

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<v Speaker 1>guy that didn't have an accent and then eventually had

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<v Speaker 1>an accent when I watched him in English and the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, and that was Ricky Ricardo.

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<v Speaker 3>Leasi Ernest.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know he created Syndication.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he was the He was the guy who who said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna show with one more than one cameras and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to record it, right and once they recorded it,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing was available for sale internationally everywhere. So he

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<v Speaker 1>accident to create it, the Syndication in the multi camp

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<v Speaker 1>format and you know that that entire thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and and they owned it, you know. So so those

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<v Speaker 1>are the kind of inspirations that I grew up with,

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<v Speaker 1>like The Punch, you know, I grew up with Chico

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<v Speaker 1>and The Man, you know USA, you know. So these

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<v Speaker 1>were shows that like somehow was creating the solution that

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<v Speaker 1>we were also included pop culture. You come to America

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<v Speaker 1>and start watching TV and you realize that it's leaning

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<v Speaker 1>away in the other side, which is fine, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see anything wrong with it until I realized

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<v Speaker 1>what America really looked like and what was really reflected

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<v Speaker 1>on those stories, right, I never really knew you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where we were in that in that in that inclusion meter,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, did you feel like they were did you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like when you were in Venezuela that they were

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<v Speaker 1>specifically showing those shows because they were latinos in it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they were selling contact around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that the things that were really popular

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States were an easy cell for international markets, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, they were also selling like packages, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe CBS Corps at the time, We're sending all

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<v Speaker 1>their CBS sitcoms, you know, and then we're selling them

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<v Speaker 1>across the world. I don't know what some of those

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<v Speaker 1>factors playing in that time, but I was growing up

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<v Speaker 1>with that. And then when it came to movies, you know, Rocky,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Cobra everything still yeah, you know, Conan Terminator,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everything are no right, like in our countries

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<v Speaker 1>and back in in Latin America, these movies action movies

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<v Speaker 1>were the ones that they played every weekend in TV,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>So these were some of these images.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean to me, these characters, you know, were

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<v Speaker 1>larger than live but they were capable, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>like these single mission guys. Yeah, Arnold's Commando, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Commando, you know, all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you watch all the Godfathers in Spanish, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, was.

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<v Speaker 2>It always in Spanish?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because we're watching free channels.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, there was only two channels, Karakas and Venevicion, and

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<v Speaker 1>they syndicate all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>During the weekends, they would play The Extorcists, the Rocky movies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they played Superman, the Christopher Reeve movies, right every weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the movie theaters.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a tiny little movie theater on the weekends

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<v Speaker 1>and we had only RoboCup, like robo We played Robo

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<v Speaker 1>cup all year round in the movie theater, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know again, so these were some of the influences.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Punch, yeah, Dessi or Naz for me,

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<v Speaker 1>we're like, oh, Punch is like it's like a hero,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like out there catching the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Desi er Nas wearing a suit, is playing music at

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<v Speaker 1>a life band, and you know, he started doing a

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<v Speaker 1>scene with John Wayne, He's doing a cameo on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I was like, how cool is that? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think those things really inspire me and

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<v Speaker 1>started like opening my mind. But never, never, as I

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<v Speaker 1>was growing up, ever thought that I'd be one of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys that eventually could create something that could maybe

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<v Speaker 1>outlive me.

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<v Speaker 3>Does it?

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<v Speaker 4>Does it ever freak you out that, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you just described your childhood, you describe what you were

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<v Speaker 4>watching like you're that guy now, like you're you're Eric

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<v Speaker 4>Estrada now right to this next generation of kids in

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<v Speaker 4>Venezuela and Colombia all.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the world. You know, does that ever? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>ever think about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I never, I've never really take a moment to I

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<v Speaker 1>can appreciate the fact that what I've done somehow, I've

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<v Speaker 1>made it out there. When you really hit me was

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<v Speaker 1>when I went to Venezuela to visit a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, many many years ago, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>channel there, Sony Entertainment Television, and Sony had all the shows,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had him in English, you know, they just

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<v Speaker 1>subtitled in Spanish, and.

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<v Speaker 3>He did really well for young people.

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<v Speaker 1>Young people loved watching it in English and reading the

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<v Speaker 1>subtitles in Latin America. And when I went down there

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw that my show was playing and the

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<v Speaker 1>small little town that I grew up in, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually saw on TV. Oh wow, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I was like, what just happened? Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 1>the same living room that I grew up. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching the shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Now these shows are full circle coming.

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<v Speaker 1>In this way, and so that was a moment that

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<v Speaker 1>really felt, oh, like, when I'm doing is something real?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just like you know, it's not just playing right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know you always knew that it was there

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<v Speaker 1>was something to it, you know, but I just think

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<v Speaker 1>you know it doesn't. The impact is like when when

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<v Speaker 1>you walk down the streets of London and you've never

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<v Speaker 1>been to London before, and all of a sudden someone's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, grew up.

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<v Speaker 3>Watching your show with a British accident and you're like, whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean like I've never been here.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow somebody knows that I exist a different like Singapore.

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<v Speaker 1>Was walking down Singapore and these two ladies were leaving

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<v Speaker 1>the store after that closed it and then they looked

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<v Speaker 1>at me because oh I couldn't speak English, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff that it really kind of hits

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<v Speaker 1>you and makes you go, whoa, man, this is Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>what we're doing is it is larger than we think,

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<v Speaker 1>and like what we are putting on that screen is

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<v Speaker 1>also you know, like what are we inspiring you know

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<v Speaker 1>people with.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you have you had instances like that? Did you

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<v Speaker 3>think to yourself like WHOA, Like, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 3>cool making the movie, and now it's like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I just recently this sort of encompasses it. I had

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<v Speaker 4>somebody around the holidays, I did this holiday movie and

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<v Speaker 4>this around the holidays, I ran into a fan randomly

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<v Speaker 4>and they said, you know, I love this this holiday movie.

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<v Speaker 3>You did it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Nothing Like the Holidays.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a legamo and media of course, and and

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<v Speaker 4>she said, you know, me and my me and my

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<v Speaker 4>father used to watch this movie every holiday.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, that's beautiful, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And then and then she gets tears in her eyes

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<v Speaker 4>and she's like, but he's passed away, you know. But

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<v Speaker 4>that's the thing that we had, is that we would

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<v Speaker 4>watch this movie together.

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<v Speaker 1>And now she'll watch that movie and it'll take her

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<v Speaker 1>back to her dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But it's been stuff like that, you know, really

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<v Speaker 4>receiving the emotional impact that I've had on people, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and that really means a lot to me because that's

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<v Speaker 4>really what I'm doing right, Like I'm I'm I'm offering

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<v Speaker 4>a form of escapism for people, right and you don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what's happening in people's lives, and you know you

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<v Speaker 4>really think about that, right, Like, like, we come into

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<v Speaker 4>people's most intimate spaces, right, we come into people's living rooms,

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<v Speaker 4>we come into people's bedrooms, spaces that only only very

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<v Speaker 4>few people are allowed to be into, and we're moving

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<v Speaker 4>people emotionally in these spaces that are very intimate and

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<v Speaker 4>dear to them, you know. And I think that that's

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<v Speaker 4>why when you run into these kinds of people that

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<v Speaker 4>they feel that they know you because you've moved them

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<v Speaker 4>emotionally in these intimate spaces. I mean, they spent hours

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<v Speaker 4>with you hours man hours, you know the same way

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<v Speaker 4>that we did, right, you know, they like like like

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<v Speaker 4>the vision that you that you shared with me in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 4>the same way we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we're coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>We're watching Punch, you know, chase people down the one

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<v Speaker 4>on one you know, like, but but we spend so

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<v Speaker 4>much time with them in our living room.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you think about what what was your show?

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<v Speaker 4>Was?

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<v Speaker 3>It? Was it Punch? Like there was it Chips? Which

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<v Speaker 3>one was? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Chips man, yeah, all of that chips.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember specifically seeing Eric Ostrada and.

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<v Speaker 1>Going like, oh wow, man, there's like one of us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he did a Spanish soap opera.

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<v Speaker 2>Those those coming, those those coming, those those weirdest gummy coming.

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<v Speaker 1>And which means two women on the one.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I watched that soap opera in Spanish. You did

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<v Speaker 1>my mom in Venezuela. I think we were back in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States at this point. I forget, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was crazy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I grew up watching him Punch, so of

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<v Speaker 1>course as a little boy, I was like, oh, Punch

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<v Speaker 1>is in a Spanish stillingela, Like I started watching him

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<v Speaker 1>in those those modism comino and and the dude. The

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<v Speaker 1>show is quite literally what the title was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>Women to figure out which one and they both were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to pick yea.

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<v Speaker 3>It weren't even mad about him two women at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time. Is that what the whole show was about?

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<v Speaker 3>What the show is about?

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<v Speaker 1>The whole time he needs to make a decision between,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, between these two actresses to the two these

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<v Speaker 1>two characters.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, and it's the dilemma, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, you know, why is his destiny but the other

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<v Speaker 1>one he's in love with.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like like it was so it was so crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but only Spanish stilling over lets can sell you on

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<v Speaker 1>that fantasy, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember my mom watching that, you know, but but

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<v Speaker 4>I you know, you were asking me was it paunch?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it?

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<v Speaker 4>I remember I remember watching you ever seen this movie

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<v Speaker 4>Internal Affairs with with Andy Garcia Richard Gear.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how well.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a hold of the video tape back in

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<v Speaker 2>like the eighties and we had that.

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<v Speaker 4>Movie on heavy rotation, and I remember Andy had a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of lines in Spanish in that movie, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like the first time I had ever met

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't comprehend. It was like, well, wait, this guy

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<v Speaker 4>is the lead guy, Richard Gear, major Hollywood movie and

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<v Speaker 4>he's speaking Spanish. You know, it blew I don't I

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<v Speaker 4>don't remember ever seeing that, like in like a major

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<v Speaker 4>American film.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that before.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you see an American actor speak her language,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, culture just like oh my, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, It becomes it becomes interesting. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen Ben Affleck. Dude, fool.

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<v Speaker 2>Can speak better Spanish than you and I.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, he sounds like, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he literally does.

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<v Speaker 2>He sounds like he's from like TG.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, but we give them so much

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<v Speaker 1>respect because whoever tries, you know, our culture rewards and

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<v Speaker 1>we're loyalty, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's beautiful to see what actors really try. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's becoming more possible now with our

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<v Speaker 1>where characters are finally more in tune with the responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>we have as we portray these characters on screen. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>back then, you know, some of these characters were either

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<v Speaker 1>not the imperfect or the bad guys you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they were in the mob or whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And and so to to see that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a a new generation of Latino characters, did you

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little responsible for like what you do now

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<v Speaker 1>or how you pass down the torch?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, that's a good question. Do I feel responsible?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, to an extent, I feel the responsibility. I always

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<v Speaker 4>felt the responsibility, especially after seeing those guys and me

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<v Speaker 4>realizing that I'm the guy who came next. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>if I got to follow that up, man, I better

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<v Speaker 4>be on my A game twenty four to seven, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, in that sense, I felt the responsibility. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>A great feeling is when I meet like new actors

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<v Speaker 4>you know, who are coming up, who are doing wonderful work.

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<v Speaker 2>Who who.

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<v Speaker 4>Say to me that they've you know, watched me when

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<v Speaker 4>they were in school, or they came up watching me,

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<v Speaker 4>or they studied my work and that inspired them to

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<v Speaker 4>become actors. And so that, you know, I always feel

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<v Speaker 4>this responsibility, not not necessarily to like mentor them, but

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<v Speaker 4>to but to really be available to people like that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because they're just going through what we went

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<v Speaker 4>through now, uh, and if there's anything that I.

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<v Speaker 3>Could ever offer.

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<v Speaker 4>So that they don't fall into any pitfalls or or

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<v Speaker 4>learn certain etiquettes or or you know, certain gems of

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<v Speaker 4>how our industry works, and to make the path maybe

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<v Speaker 4>a little more or smoother for them, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And you said something that really triggered another point for

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<v Speaker 1>us is, you know, they're about to go through similar

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<v Speaker 1>journeys that we went through. Right now, how is this

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<v Speaker 1>industry and compared to when we broke, you know, in comparison,

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<v Speaker 1>like what do they have against them, you know, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 3>What they have for them?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, if you you know, if I go first,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that what they have what they have

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<v Speaker 1>for them, is that the level of technology that can

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<v Speaker 1>support your independent art from the industry itself is so

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<v Speaker 1>much more available for you to show what you can be.

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<v Speaker 1>You can sharpen your tools sooner to become a director,

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<v Speaker 1>to become a writer, to become mean, there's so much

0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Like you can go to YouTube and teach yourself how

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<v Speaker 1>to write a screenplay.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go to YouTube and teach.

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<v Speaker 1>Yourself how to light a simple scene so you can

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<v Speaker 1>shoot it with an iPhone or whatever. You know, you

0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:08.639
<v Speaker 1>have a situation here now where like you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a moment in time now where where where I

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<v Speaker 1>think young people, you know have the tools if they

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<v Speaker 1>really want it, and at that point they can make

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<v Speaker 1>their own stuff and they can work backwards from it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what they have against them is a fracture industry who's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how to sustain how to sustain

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<v Speaker 1>a signal, how to sustain an audience, how to engage

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<v Speaker 1>with content that can continue to push limits and not

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<v Speaker 1>feel the same movie with a different title.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, How do you open the door.

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<v Speaker 1>For new talent and for a new wave of superstars

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<v Speaker 1>who can expand ideas into levels and universes that television

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<v Speaker 1>and movies have not gone before. And there's a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>for that entry point, you know, and how do you

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<v Speaker 1>break in? But so it's an interesting balance, right because

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<v Speaker 1>for us, when we aim to be what we are now,

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<v Speaker 1>our biggest struggle was that there were not enough parts

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<v Speaker 1>for Latinos. And if they were, you knew where they were,

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<v Speaker 1>You knew what they were and where they wanted you

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<v Speaker 1>to be. And I started thinking about also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there was only four channels doing network stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Cable wasn't really the.

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<v Speaker 1>Aboundance of opportunity like you thought, you know, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>theater you know, they was not sustainable for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of actors, right, and then movies were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a pop here eight months later, popped there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's likeness, instant of signal. But do you think,

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<v Speaker 1>for you in your mind, what do they have for

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<v Speaker 1>them and what do they.

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<v Speaker 4>Have against It's a good question, right, I Mean, if

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<v Speaker 4>we're just talking about sort of Latinos and latinos, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's what they've always had against them, right I And look,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just pointing out the facts, right, I mean, just

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<v Speaker 4>turn on the TV and and and count how many

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<v Speaker 4>Latinos and latinos you see on TV right now, Right,

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<v Speaker 4>So that's indicative of the opportunities that that's being afforded,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's you or I or the generation that came

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<v Speaker 4>after us or the generation who was here before us. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 4>so the opportunities are certainly slim. It's hard to say

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's it was slimmer back then or it's slimmer now.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you know, when you try to gauge how

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<v Speaker 4>many of our people that you see on TV, at

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<v Speaker 4>least like what you said. You know, back then, we

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<v Speaker 4>at least had like movies. Movies were abundant, whether whether

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<v Speaker 4>it was you know, studio movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the I mean there was three or four releasing

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<v Speaker 1>every weekend, and they're all were like real, yeah, real.

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<v Speaker 3>Iconic stuff that we still remember to yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And people were making money on movies.

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<v Speaker 1>They were making movies for the first time, like ideas

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, refreshed ideas. They're always trying to do,

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<v Speaker 1>what's a movie we haven't made, Let's put that in

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand screens.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Nowadays it's like, who, how do we get capitalized on

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<v Speaker 1>on the success of that movie?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's make another one like that?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, yeah, yeah, I mean even you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's great that that fans have grown up watching my movies,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, from the nineties, from the two thousands, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'll sometimes get fans that will go, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 4>how come you don't make you know, they'll name one

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<v Speaker 4>of my movies from the nineties and two thousands, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just go, well, they don't make movies like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Anymore, man, They just don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And if they do, you know, there's there's no

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<v Speaker 4>budget behind those movies. People are not making moneies off

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<v Speaker 4>those movies, you know. So at least when we were

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<v Speaker 4>coming up, we had we had a couple of different

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<v Speaker 4>avenues that we can that we could go in. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>the movies that actors, you know, have the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 4>fight for are these gigantic budget movies, and they're so

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<v Speaker 4>far and few between, right, So then that that means

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<v Speaker 4>that a lot of the quote unquote movie stars are

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<v Speaker 4>sort of funneling into the movie into the TV industry,

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<v Speaker 4>right right, And now everything is sort of name driven

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<v Speaker 4>in the television industry, which it wasn't like that when

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<v Speaker 4>you and I were coming up, And so a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of those roles are being gobbled up by them right,

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<v Speaker 4>and so like the newer generation, although it may seem

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<v Speaker 4>like the opportunities are more vast, a lot of those

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<v Speaker 4>roles are being gobbled up by other actors so that

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<v Speaker 4>there's less opportunities for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I don't know, I may I may be wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're nailing it, dude, because the illusion is

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<v Speaker 1>that there's so many streaming platforms, there's so many networks,

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<v Speaker 1>cable networks, you know that that are all making script

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<v Speaker 1>is stuff, nonscripted stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So the illusion is that there should be tons of parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, it's it's also seems like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not going to be things that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to help you the amount of stuff that you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to do to sustain, right, the volume

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to now capture or or or get

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<v Speaker 1>as an actor in order to just sustain. Because because

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<v Speaker 1>there's no such thing as like, I just got a

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<v Speaker 1>movie that a lot of people saw and that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to pave the way for me to get a new movie, Bryan,

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<v Speaker 1>give me that energy to now I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 1>a TV show and all that. So that makes it

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<v Speaker 1>really difficult, right, because now it's like, you could do

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<v Speaker 1>four movies and nobody saw that she have to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to audition for the next one, right, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>no such thing as that, And so I guess why

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<v Speaker 1>all the question is, you know what we think about this?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how does that translate to multiple industries?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Multiple careers of different genres, different industries. What can people

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<v Speaker 1>expect to think about right now? Like what would you be?

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<v Speaker 1>What would be the advice for a young person that's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I want to be you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a doctored or I want to be you know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we you know, what is inspiration for that?

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<v Speaker 1>We can talk about that. It fuels ambition again into

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<v Speaker 1>in this younger generation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was part one. Stay tuned for part two.

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