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Speaker 1: What is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. Little Player preview action stroking

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Speaker 1: that podcast algorithm, as we're gonna be saying for every episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Me using the word stroking also feels inappropriate,

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Speaker 1: but in a way that I like. So Pete Alonzo episode,

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Speaker 1: you guys know he's good, you know he's great. Got

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with him, mostly on the

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Speaker 1: contract side. And James, you've done a little bit of

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Speaker 1: deep diving into some first base comparisons as to what

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Speaker 1: a Peter Alonzo contract could look like. What do you

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Speaker 1: got for us?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just kind of that the vibe right

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Speaker 2: now around Pete. The contract stuff has been brutal. You

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Speaker 2: guys heard to talk about it with Tim Healey last week.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like every beat report or every baseball

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Speaker 2: report that recovers the Mets has almost chained to this question. Pete, Wait,

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Speaker 2: you think about your contract zooming extension before the season

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Speaker 2: and way things gonna look like next year? It's so oh,

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Speaker 2: I want to be a Met forever. I think I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be ready to go, but I have some unpredictable

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Speaker 2: but I definitely want to stay as a met answer.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's all we can think about. That's all we know

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Speaker 2: you guys want to hear about. That's where every head

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Speaker 2: is at. So again, we just wanted to really get

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Speaker 2: through all this free agency stuff and then talk about

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Speaker 2: who Pete's going to be in twenty twenty four, cause

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see amazing version of plans in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Between being injured for most of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three while still hitting forty six home runs, everything

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Speaker 2: he's done in his career at this point tells you

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Speaker 2: to believe that he's still going to continue to be

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Speaker 2: a really good hitter, and she thinking there's going to

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Speaker 2: be a hunger between this down year last year, being

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Speaker 2: in the contract year, like it's all going to come together.

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Speaker 2: And like we talked about last week too, like I've

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Speaker 2: been hearing all offseason spring training so far, seems like

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Speaker 2: a very relaxed vibe right now in Mets camp. People

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Speaker 2: seem happy to be there. People seem loose. Content not content.

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Speaker 2: Content is a bad word. Never content athletes, They've never content,

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Speaker 2: never can not content, never content, but just seems loose.

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Speaker 2: People seem happy to be themselves. I think that's going

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Speaker 2: to be very important this season.

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Speaker 1: Pete is great, He's going to be great, like we said,

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a little bit later, but let's

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Speaker 1: talk about what this actual contract could look like because

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Speaker 1: he's hitting free agency and Pete wants to get paid

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Speaker 1: big money. We've heard him talking Scott Borstalk like he

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Speaker 1: wants to be paid like the best first basement in

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. We talked about this when we started

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Speaker 1: doing episodes again this offseason in January, about the trade

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Speaker 1: side more so. But now let's talk about the resign side,

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Speaker 1: because I think there is a legitimate possibility that the

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Speaker 1: Mets bring him back. I think they would be the

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Speaker 1: favorites right now when he hits the free agent market

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Speaker 1: to re signed Pete Alonzo. But where do you pay him,

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Speaker 1: because like the first baseman market is weird because you

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Speaker 1: have Freddy Freeman who got paid a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: but it was over a shorter period of time. Matt

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Speaker 1: Olsen got that big contract. Is he better than Matt Olson?

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Speaker 1: And then when you look at the first baseman before him,

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Speaker 1: they're definitely like way better. But also baseball was more

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Speaker 1: stupid then, so I don't know how you can really

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Speaker 1: determine what Pete deserves to actually get paid.

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Speaker 2: No, a lot more stupid. And again, Pete's not even

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Speaker 2: just saying he wants to be paid like one of

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Speaker 2: a quote like, it's not even relative to first base,

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Speaker 2: just it's just not really reality. For one Pete, and

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Speaker 2: two just for first basement in general. You mentioned Freddie

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Speaker 2: Freeman and Paul Goldschmian. They've like paced the market kind

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Speaker 2: of historically. Now for first basement they're making twenty seven

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Speaker 2: to twenty six million dollars annually, respectively, with Freeman making

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Speaker 2: a million more. Those are the avs for any first

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Speaker 2: basement the history of baseball. Freeman has an extra year

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Speaker 2: and those total values are six for one sixty two

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Speaker 2: and five for one thirty each. We signed early in

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Speaker 2: much I think legitimately Hall of famers, yeay, each I

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Speaker 2: don't think Freeman has an MVP, but I think he

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Speaker 2: has multiple top three, top four finishes. He does COVID

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Speaker 2: MVP COVID okay, so fake MVP. And then Golshman has

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Speaker 2: but he was in the mix for multiple MVPs always.

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Speaker 2: He's just those two the best players this generation, and

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Speaker 2: Also compared to Pete, he has more years than those guys.

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Speaker 2: He signed a younger twenty eight years old, but for

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Speaker 2: eight for one sixty eight contract, and he just had

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Speaker 2: one of the most valuable players on baseball. Just the

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Speaker 2: other guy in his team had won the best seasons

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Speaker 2: And then besides those guys, there was only one other

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Speaker 2: first baseman the entire league that's on more than a

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Speaker 2: horrible contract. He can play out positions and he was

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Speaker 2: mostly playing other positions when he signed that deal. They

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Speaker 2: just have acquired better defensive players, more in middle infielder,

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Speaker 2: so just push him to first base. So you only

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Speaker 2: have four guys in all of Major League baseball I'm

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Speaker 2: more than a three year contract at first base. And

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Speaker 2: now you have Pete Loonza, who by all measures is

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Speaker 2: an amazing hitter, amazing power hitter, one of the best

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Speaker 2: more than all of them. It's hard for me to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where Scott Boris makes this complicated for us,

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Speaker 1: because Scott Borris is definitely in Pete's head of like,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get paid like the biggest first base, like

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Speaker 1: the highest AAV ever. And as much as I love Pete,

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Speaker 1: negative on Pete Is in terms of the money. He's

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Speaker 1: just simply not better than Freddie Freeman. He's simply not

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Speaker 2: Not totally but it's also like he's not. He's way

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Speaker 2: like Anthony Rizzo is a thirty five year old don

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Speaker 1: The end of the year.

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Speaker 2: It's just for people in really deep fantasy baseball league.

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Speaker 2: He's a sneaky guy. Then you have Muncy, Josh Bell,

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Speaker 2: obviously much better than all those guys, but he's also

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Speaker 2: it's a weird market context for Pete, especially when he

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Speaker 2: then Pete's like home runs RBIs, like who's better than me?

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Speaker 2: And in terms of those two things, really nobody's better

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Speaker 2: back to Boris because that's where this negotiation goes. And

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Speaker 2: and it looks like brutal. Like I'm I'm nervous about

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Speaker 2: the Pete situation in general, but I think I'm still

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Speaker 2: probably in my head, like seventy thirty he's back as

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Speaker 2: And that's just pure gut feeling. There's nothing behind that

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Speaker 2: a all. We know nothing, no inside information. We know

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Speaker 2: less than nothing these days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we knew nothing before, we know nothing now.

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Speaker 2: And then I found out some stuff from the legend

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Speaker 2: Joel Sherman, an article about plans. There you go hitting

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Speaker 2: free agency at the same time Boris at the time

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Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars in total. Those twenty six contracts,

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Speaker 2: you know who those guys could have been?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not ready for that. I have no clue.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't prepared for that question. Well, usually usually a

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Speaker 2: doing real content again. But three total extensions. Two of

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Speaker 1: it was a Boris guy, and nook Up and the

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Speaker 2: Still so weird things. So twenty three out of twenty

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Speaker 2: who was in that lump was a Rod that was

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Speaker 2: You know it's still happened. He came back to the A. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it didn't matter. The Boris guys when they do leave,

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Speaker 2: it's generally small to big market. Where big market to

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Speaker 2: right now because Boris knows how to play the game,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to lose the homegrown player. I don't

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Speaker 2: But that's a whole nother issue for a different day.

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Speaker 1: Just wouldn't you wouldn't expect any of the teams that

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Speaker 1: Him that I'd be I'm totally cool with that, Like

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Speaker 1: short term deal, fine by me. It's just if you

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Speaker 2: So you can beat the Alson. We'll give you beating Alson,

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Speaker 2: But I'm making the money I wanted to make, but

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Speaker 2: Pete would be getting ten for two fifteen. Pete would

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Speaker 2: Pete's amazing, but in terms of just like what with

431
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Speaker 2: value he's bringing the baseball team. This comes from first basement.

432
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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna talk a lot about war right now,

433
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Speaker 2: And I think this is where a static war is

434
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Speaker 2: tremendously flawed. We're never going to capture the true value

435
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Speaker 2: of a player like Pete Alonzo, who's going to hit

436
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Speaker 2: forty the fifty home runs, driving one hundred and twenty

437
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Speaker 2: runs and just be a complete total anchor in the

438
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Speaker 2: middle of a lineup, because Major League Baseball teams need power,

439
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Speaker 2: especially relative to the Mets team context like, I don't

440
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,120
Speaker 2: know where this power is coming from, and I don't

441
00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,440
Speaker 2: know where they're gonna get it next if it's not

442
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Speaker 2: Pee Alonso. So that's also a major point of leverage

443
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Speaker 2: for Boris and Pete. But since twenty twenty one, Pete

444
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Speaker 2: Alonzo was worth about ten war on Fangrafts and about

445
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Speaker 2: twelve war on Baseball Reference, and that big difference is

446
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Speaker 2: mostly from defensive value because Baseball Reference uses DRS and

447
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,840
Speaker 2: Fangrass started using OAA after quit UZR a few years ago.

448
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Speaker 2: So Fangraf says that Pete is one of the worst

449
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Speaker 2: defensive players in baseball. Baseball Reference says he's a little

450
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Speaker 2: bit worse than average. Truthfully, I don't really care about

451
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Speaker 2: either of those because he plays first base defense, which

452
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Speaker 2: at first base defense is important in general in terms

453
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Speaker 2: of every single position player in a baseball field. I

454
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Speaker 2: think it's probably basically the least important. Man He's got

455
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Speaker 2: great he's got great scoops too.

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Speaker 1: Like, at the end of the day, I think the

457
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Speaker 1: problem with Pete defensively because we've i mean we've watched

458
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Speaker 1: hundreds of games of him now and like, his range

459
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Speaker 1: not great, but again, don't give a shit he's playing

460
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Speaker 1: first base. The problem is like when he makes like

461
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Speaker 1: those boneheaded plays when he's trying to do too much,

462
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Speaker 1: and I feel like that's what really hurts him in

463
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Speaker 1: these defensive stats, is there are just some plays that

464
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Speaker 1: he makes and you're like, oh, that was one of

465
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Speaker 1: the worst baseball players I've ever seen at first base

466
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Speaker 1: in my lifetime. But like, relatively speaking, you don't watch

467
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Speaker 1: Peter a Loans at first base and you're like, oh shit,

468
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,320
Speaker 1: it's hit to him, Like what are we gonna do?

469
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,200
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? And again, those scoops are, like

470
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Speaker 1: I think, incredibly important and I don't think it's something

471
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Speaker 1: that is tracked on these defensive stats.

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Speaker 2: I think the scoops are also incredibly important for first

473
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Speaker 2: basement because the first basement's defensive bat value. Like you said,

474
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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be I feel like taken importantly in

475
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Speaker 2: the team context of like how much ground you're covering

476
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Speaker 2: a first is how much the other guys in the

477
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Speaker 2: infield trust you where I don't. I'm not squeezing the

478
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Speaker 2: ball tacks. I think I have to make a perfect

479
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Speaker 2: throat because I don't make a perfect throw. I don't

480
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Speaker 2: trust you to catch up. I think the infield trust Pete.

481
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Speaker 2: I think it's just a fun Pete diving in the hole,

482
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Speaker 2: sometimes a little too often kicking a ball off the

483
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Speaker 2: heel of his glove, which is just like, that's just

484
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Speaker 2: part of the Pete's game. That's okay. But so I

485
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Speaker 2: will skew a little bit more towards like the b

486
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Speaker 2: war for p Alonzo than the f Forks. I just

487
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Speaker 2: don't think that he should have that much negative defensive value.

488
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Speaker 2: But Fangrats is a lot better at stacking multiple years

489
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Speaker 2: of war with a leaderboard bet in Baseball Reference, so

490
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Speaker 2: these stats are to come from there and based on

491
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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one, based on Fangrass f woar, he's

492
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Speaker 2: basically a top fifty player in the league and it's

493
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Speaker 2: in between Max Munsey and Randy Rose arena and just

494
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Speaker 2: two spots ahead of Jeff McNeil, which I think is

495
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Speaker 2: kind of finding the stack guy. I think I like

496
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,120
Speaker 2: Dase right next to Monthsy as a lot younger. But again,

497
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Speaker 2: this is where War kind of fails to capture value

498
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Speaker 2: because in terms of WRC plus no PS plus, he's

499
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Speaker 2: basically a top twenty five ish player in the league

500
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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one, and if you bring back twenty nineteen,

501
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Speaker 2: he's a top ten, top twenty, top seventeen, top sixteen

502
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Speaker 2: kind of guy because he has that major fifty home

503
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Speaker 2: run season. So I think that that's where Pete comfortably

504
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 2: is one of like the twenty ish best players in

505
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Speaker 2: the league, of twentyish most valuable players in the league.

506
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Speaker 2: War will never say that because the first basement, but

507
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Speaker 2: it's just like if you look at the game to

508
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Speaker 2: game production, it's it's clear that he is one of

509
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Speaker 2: those guys.

510
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Speaker 1: Well, there's just not many ways that you can fill

511
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Speaker 1: in forty five home runs one hundred and twenty RBIs

512
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Speaker 1: with like a one point thirty one to thirty five

513
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Speaker 1: WRC plus every year, Like that's just not something you

514
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Speaker 1: can be like, oh, that's an easy fix. Here's what

515
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,200
Speaker 1: we do to get now that production back. And that's

516
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Speaker 1: like like what you said, where the flaw is because

517
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Speaker 1: off defensively speaking, that's why you have him, that's why

518
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: you pay him, that's why you want him. And he

519
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Speaker 1: is absolutely elite at the plate. There's no doubt about that. No.

520
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Speaker 2: And those stats of Mark just said, those are actually

521
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 2: Pee Lons' one hundred and sixty two career game average,

522
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Speaker 2: forty five homers, one hundred and twenty RBIs, ninety five

523
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Speaker 2: runts scored, one hundred thirty six oh ps plus. I

524
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: don't know anyone else in the league who could really

525
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: do that. Like Freeman and Goldshmi, they're amazing, but they're

526
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 2: just not going to get to those home runs. Like

527
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 2: for Freddy Freeman's free he's gonna.

528
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Speaker 1: Hit three years, He's discussed, he's gonna he has like

529
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Speaker 1: a one to eighty WRC plus every yright.

530
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Speaker 2: Now it's insane. But like the forty five runs is

531
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Speaker 2: like that changes games, Like Peter Loons Wo hits a

532
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Speaker 2: home run, like you have a really good chance to

533
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Speaker 2: win the game that day. And that's just kind of

534
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Speaker 2: how this Mets offense has been built for the last

535
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Speaker 2: few years, so it's hard to conceive it being built

536
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Speaker 2: without that. And those hundred six two game averages are

537
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Speaker 2: also coming off a year for Pete where he was

538
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Speaker 2: terrible the worst hit A bad year by far, Yeah,

539
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: a bad year. Forty six home runs, twenty percent bat

540
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 2: than league average is still in an awful year, and

541
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Speaker 2: that was with the two seventeen average. He got a

542
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Speaker 2: little fly ball happy. I think it looked like it

543
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 2: seemed like his wrist was hurting him the whole year

544
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 2: after that that bullshit play in Atlanta. But it's just

545
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: like there's so much pulling in the direction of like,

546
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 2: this guy is worth money, but I just don't think

547
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 2: he's the money that they're going to start that and

548
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 2: then it just depends on the game of Chicken. It's

549
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 2: gonna happen next off season between Steve Cohen, Scott Boris

550
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: and the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

551
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Speaker 1: I love that it's just like the only team that's

552
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Speaker 1: gonna beat the met to get Peter, It's gonna be

553
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 1: the Angels because this is like this does have Angels

554
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: written all over. They're like, oh, here's our big first

555
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: baseman to get we gotta try this one more time.

556
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 2: Is that this that we compare with Mike Trout and

557
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 2: now we're back where we need to be. And then

558
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: the other part of that, there is like an emotional

559
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 2: element to this shit, like just like there hasn't been

560
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 2: a homegrown player like Pete, Like I kind of want

561
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 2: to say, like since David Wright, and like David Wright

562
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 2: is is a superstar, Like I don't know, like this

563
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 2: this podcast would love to ever have either of those

564
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: guys on there, Like it'd be nice. And I feel like,

565
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Speaker 2: you know, I'll tell you we get probably a bunch

566
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Speaker 2: of views on that for sure, definitely a ton of views.

567
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Speaker 2: I mean we just I mean we do episodes every week.

568
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Speaker 2: We get like at least two thousand views. So I

569
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Speaker 2: think we'd probably at least be at that level if

570
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: we've got guys like that on but one. So it

571
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Speaker 2: was gonna be free asient at the same time, like

572
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: that is gonna be the negotiation next off season for

573
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Speaker 2: the Mets for Boris. Everybody's gonna be trying to get

574
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Speaker 2: one and so And I think that's gonna might work

575
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: against Pee Alonzo or it could work as a benefit

576
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 2: to the Mets if they don't think so though serious

577
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 2: you could kind of circumvent the market. You can attack

578
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 2: the Pete thing. Will everybody's still looking at so though,

579
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: like that could be a thing. That's kind of how

580
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: the Phillies got I think I Nola back so quickly

581
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: this offseason. Everybody was staring at Yamamodo and they're like,

582
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Speaker 2: just come back, just come back, just come back. Here's

583
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: the money you want, Just come back. Please. I don't

584
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Speaker 2: want to deal with this. It's still November. Don't make

585
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 2: us sweat. We know you don't want to sweat. Just

586
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: please come home. And that was it. Then you can

587
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: attack the rest of your off season knowing that you

588
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: have these other pieces in place that you want to

589
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: have in place. There's another weird part about it, too,

590
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: is that Vladimir Riro Junior is a free agent next year,

591
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: the year after Pete, and in terms of war, those

592
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: two are remarkably similar, since they literally remarkably so.

593
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Speaker 1: How is that? How is that possible? Because Vladd's had

594
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Speaker 1: some like stinky years in there for sure.

595
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Speaker 2: Pete in terms of war, usually has stinky years just

596
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Speaker 2: because he never does anyth The Flad had the one

597
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: elite season and a lot of the kind of half

598
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: maidling stinky years, but he's coming in the free agency,

599
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 2: can be like five years younger than Pee Alonzo. Yeah,

600
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about the secret flat extension that might happen

601
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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. Lu Jays have had a

602
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: Lackaday's goal off season. Lackaday's goal. They missed Otani embarrassingly.

603
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: They filled in the rest of their roster with not

604
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: that much like Keenare fileffa who else. I think Santiago

605
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: Westpinal is gonna be trying out their opening day your

606
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 2: boy Justin Turner, Yeah, Justin Turner. They like they've been

607
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: just a who's who of getting middling guys this offseason,

608
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: Like they need to kind of any better. They need

609
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: a jolt to their fan base. And I think that

610
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: Vladzi Gay would be more open to an extension. I

611
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: could see that happening and whatever money that happens, if

612
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: it happens, totally figment of imagination. That could be an

613
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Speaker 2: anchor in the Peat deal, similar to how the Fernando

614
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: Tatis junior contract out of nowhere fucked the Mets in

615
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 2: negotiation for Francius Colndor and basically had to pay him

616
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Speaker 2: like an actually like fifty mil, just because so he

617
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Speaker 2: could make I think it was one hundred thousand dollars

618
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: more in Fernando Tatis, which is definitely not an accent accident.

619
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Speaker 2: Go on CoP's contract, going spow tracks. Look at when

620
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: those deals were signed, look at the difference in money,

621
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Speaker 2: and you tell me if they any can do it

622
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Speaker 2: one another. And then there's just again this fear to

623
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Speaker 2: lose A beloves homegrown player. I don't want plans will

624
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Speaker 2: ever play for another team. Maybe when he's thirty seven,

625
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: then maybe I either can't care less, but you can

626
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Speaker 2: go to the Oakland A's like I'm telling you in

627
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: p Alonso's prime, I don't want to play anywhere else.

628
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Speaker 2: And I really still don't think it's going to happen.

629
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Speaker 2: But I'm not, like I can't be one hundred percent sure.

630
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Speaker 1: Best way for Pete to get paid this offseason just

631
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: just play well again. Have have that twenty nineteen season.

632
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Speaker 1: Let's get a repeat, hit fifty home runs, driving one

633
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Speaker 1: to twenty, be an MVP candidate and we don't have

634
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: to worry about this. We'd be like, oh shit, okay,

635
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Speaker 1: pay him the money, give him the money. I don't

636
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Speaker 1: care at the end of the day. Also, like it's

637
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: not our money, So like this is more of a

638
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: conversation of what the Mets philosophically are probably thinking, especially

639
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Speaker 1: because we know David Stearn's smart guy, knows how an

640
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: organization should be built. It's it's tough sometimes to commit

641
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: all that money to a first baseman. But if Mark

642
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: and James are in charge of Steve Cohen's money, I'm

643
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Speaker 1: gonna sign Pede Alonzo every single day.

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Speaker 2: I'd love that. I Mean, there was a period of

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Speaker 2: time where we were technically in charge of some of

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Speaker 2: Steve Cohen's money, but yeah we got a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if it was like a higher sum of it, I'd

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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, yeah, market James, get one free agent,

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Speaker 2: pick a year Jan Soto, but then Peter Alonzo, but

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Speaker 2: get that is that part of the two then, like

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Speaker 2: if you had to take one, who you're taking because.

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Speaker 1: We had to say that want soda? Yeah, I think choice,

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Speaker 1: it's the only choice.

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Speaker 2: Make him play first place.

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Speaker 1: I don't care he would you rather get hit by

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Speaker 1: a car? Shot with a gun, Like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I really get hit by a car. It's a better

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Speaker 1: options depends up.

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Speaker 2: The car is where are we getting shot. I'd rather

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Speaker 2: get shot in the leg than i'd get hit by

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Speaker 2: a car full speed. I think that's easy, that's fair,

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Speaker 2: I guess, depends on what speed the car is going at.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot more variable to the gun car nowog.

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have to.

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Speaker 1: Work through or we'll get through that one. But at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Alonzo's fucking good. We want

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Speaker 1: him on the Mets and we know he's gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: There's not really a conversation to have about the stats

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Speaker 1: the player preview episode. It's about Pilzzo free agency. That's

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Speaker 1: really what it is, all right.

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Speaker 2: But we got ended that end of twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah done, that's it. Bye bye, guys, to see you

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Speaker 2: next time.

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Speaker 1: And then the