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Speaker 3: after this. What are you doing there? Just chilling?

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Speaker 2: You're ready to help?

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Speaker 3: Hey optimist? You know where I can get a coke?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 6: I don't, and I have a real time info, but

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Speaker 6: I can take you to the kitchen if you want

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Speaker 6: to check for a coke there.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that'd be great. Go, yes, let's do that

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Speaker 3: and then it just stands there. Let's go awesome at

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Speaker 3: head to the kitchen. That's okay, okay, go I think

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Speaker 3: it's I think we need to give it a.

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Speaker 6: Bit more.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So that's the voice obviously of right there who

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Speaker 3: said we need to give it more room. They were

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Speaker 3: standing too close. I guess you can take that down, Michael.

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Speaker 3: They're standing next to Optimists as they're all going to

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Speaker 3: go to the kitchen to get a coke, and Optimist

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Speaker 3: who was just standing there looking at him, I wis

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Speaker 3: and Elon said, I think we need to back up

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Speaker 3: a little bit. Anyway. My takeaway from that video was

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Speaker 3: we ain't even close yet. We're not even close to

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Speaker 3: robots taking over yet. Now it's moving pretty fast. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it'll be exponentially better in a year. I'm sure it

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Speaker 3: will be. But the fact that Elon has got a

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Speaker 3: trillion dollar incentive paction package now from Tesla, and he's

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Speaker 3: focusing mostly on Optimist, the AI robot more than the

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Speaker 3: electric cars, I don't know. It seems like we're a

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Speaker 3: long way away. Where do I get a coke? I

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Speaker 3: don't know where to get and it stops, gets hung

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Speaker 3: in sort of glitch, has no idea, and then it

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Speaker 3: just stands there. It's I thought it would be further

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Speaker 5: Didn't you wait a minute. I just googled where do

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Speaker 5: people keep cokes? It suggested the refrigerator, which is often

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Speaker 5: in a human kitchen. Let's go to the kitchen, All right,

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Speaker 5: let's go. You go first.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to come off as a guy who

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Speaker 3: it will be a thing eventually. But it's not as

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Speaker 3: close as I thought. But didn't you think that optimist

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Speaker 3: robot would be more impressive than that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly before you trotted it out to do what

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Speaker 5: I'm reminded of Elon trotting out the cyber truck for

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Speaker 5: the first time and saying, and the windows cannot be shattered.

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Speaker 3: Boom, he shatters the window. So this article, we got

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Speaker 3: a couple of AI stories for you. This article in

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Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal today about China's push to catch

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Speaker 3: up with and surpassity the United States is flipping troubling.

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Speaker 3: For instance, this paragraph the escalating AI race is drawing

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Speaker 3: comparisons with the Cold War and the great scientific and

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Speaker 3: at least as consequential. The AI race between US and

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Speaker 3: the Cold War between US and the Soviet Union, if

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Speaker 3: you're old enough to have lived through that, Holy crap.

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Speaker 3: China realized that all the big a AI was going

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Speaker 3: Open AI, Google, all the American companies that were doing

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Speaker 3: And they've done a whole of nation effort to try

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Speaker 5: You know, I was just hey, quit talking about safety

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Speaker 5: and what's best for humanity. We don't have time. I

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Speaker 5: Vance and he argued this in February, the AI future

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Speaker 5: is not going to be won by hand ringing about safety.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's right, I understand what he's saying. What he's

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Speaker 3: wanting to say is China and Russia, mostly China, because

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Speaker 3: China's got the money to put into this. China's gonna

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Speaker 3: any difference. That we tried to be ethical and safe

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Speaker 5: And I'm certainly the wrong guy to ask this question,

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Speaker 5: but I find myself wondering, can their AI essentially crush

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Speaker 5: our AI if it gets to you know, whatever critical

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Speaker 5: point that it blows ours up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be some sort of like on purpose

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Speaker 3: people in the world talking about this. The more likely

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Speaker 3: concern is without any attempt whatsoever to ethically control it,

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Speaker 3: it just gets loose on its own and gets into

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Speaker 5: The bottle, which is pretty much inevitable. How do we

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Speaker 5: prevent that though? I mean, even if we're first, oh,

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Speaker 5: our AI can trump their Ai, they will unleash it.

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Speaker 2: And the hell you were speaking of, I suppose.

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Speaker 3: My big first of all, that paragraph about the Cold War,

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Speaker 3: I find just like bone chilling. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 3: that it is. The way the Cold War was. I mean,

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Speaker 3: my dad grew up hiding underneath his desks in rural

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Speaker 3: was on their radar that we were in a you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like people feel that way about China

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Speaker 3: my uh, I guess we're better off that way.

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Speaker 5: I mean, because if we spend all of our time

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Speaker 5: to live. Instead, you'll be going about your business. One

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Speaker 5: day you'll turn around, there's a robot beyond you. You'll think, wow,

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Speaker 3: Hard to imagine. No, ahead, But what are you gonna do? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I suppose worrying about it and not much you can

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Speaker 3: and it doesn't turn out to be what they said.

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Speaker 3: But well that one of the other leads to or

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Speaker 3: that have got for today the right here. Yan Lukun

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Speaker 3: All of these people, including the Chinese, can't all be wrong,

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Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, I guess AI is not going

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Speaker 2: So never mind, gosh, I wouldn't think so, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Think Elon and Zuckerberg and China and everybody else could

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Speaker 3: be wrong about this. So that's what leads me to

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Speaker 3: believe that this is going to be a thing unfolding

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Speaker 3: that all the time, which is funny, But do you

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Speaker 3: do you have a real world sense of bad things

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Speaker 3: that AI could do.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: It goes back to the commonly spoken theme of AI

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Speaker 5: decides the only thing impeding it is human beings or

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Speaker 2: I mean, those are the two classic why they would

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Speaker 3: And then even if they don't do that, what if

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Speaker 3: it wipes out seventy five percent of jobs?

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Speaker 2: Well right right? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And then political turmoil and revolution in the straits, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: et cetera while you're fighting robots. Great, oh yeah, no kidding, Wow.

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Speaker 5: So a couple more quick AI notes. I thought this

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Speaker 5: for the first time in twenty twenty eight. By contrast,

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Speaker 5: operating losses that year twenty twenty eight will be about

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Speaker 5: But certainly don't take my word for it. Through the

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Speaker 5: Wall Street Journal and invest carefully.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you've got this story of Amazon that

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Speaker 3: and I remember all the jokes about it never turned

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Speaker 2: And then I'm sorry, Michael's what did you say to us? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Price pick yea just a second coming up in one

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Speaker 5: more AI note from a website I had never heard of,

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Speaker 5: sent to us by alert listener Hillbilly Savingcountry music dot

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Speaker 5: Com The headline is AI song's top Billboard chart. Why

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Speaker 5: we need transre and c now. All right, so I

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Speaker 5: just opened this up again. Thank you Hillbilly for sending

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Speaker 5: this along. There's an alarmingly low sense of urgency. They

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Speaker 5: write about a rapidly developing dilemma that threatens to absolutely

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Speaker 5: eviscerate everything we know and love about music in a

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Speaker 5: matter of months. We're talking about AI, of course, but

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Speaker 5: it feels almost embarrassing and trite at this point even

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Speaker 5: bring it up in such a breathless context, in part

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Speaker 5: because we all have an inherent sense of how catastrophic

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Speaker 5: AI is going to be for the human creators and

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Speaker 5: how inevitable its impacts ultimately are.

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 5: Hillbilly mentioned that the guy who wrote this is a

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Speaker 5: terrific writer, and he is. Wow, that's some some good

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Speaker 5: writing anyway, what's his name?

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Speaker 2: I don't know?

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Speaker 5: But they there's the picture of AI generated artist breaking rust.

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Speaker 5: It's a little too perfect, country looking bearded guy in

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Speaker 3: Uh handsome, rugged yet sensitive?

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Speaker 5: Yes, how'd you know? You must have seen this picture, Papa?

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Speaker 8: You think anyone, whether they're forty five or sixty five,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, life is a sport of that idea.

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Speaker 5: you know less about doctor Atilla, who again struck me

442
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 5: as a lot more legit than ninety percent of what

443
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Speaker 5: I hear about this stuff.

444
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's super into it. He believes that. He's

445
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: a very smart guy.

446
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 5: He's been very successful, although you know, one sort of

447
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 5: success doesn't necessarily translate.

448
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: To good judgment in another way. But he's a lovely guy.

449
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: But if you got a lot of money, what are

450
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: you going to spend your money on that's better than

451
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: trying to have more enjoyable years of your life? And well,

452
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: you know, if there's a five percent chance that works,

453
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: if you got a lot of money, it makes more

454
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: sense to do that than with about cow Wich. We

455
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: were talking about early exactly.

456
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 5: You were talking about this four hundred and fifty six

457
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 5: thousand dollars chair and a what was the name of that? Again,

458
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 5: you can take the boy out of the working class,

459
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 5: but you can't take the work. And oh here it

460
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 5: is a Jeanreer type sofa for a million dollars.

461
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Speaker 3: It makes sense to me completely that we are designed

462
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 3: to continue to work our minds and bodies, and then

463
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: as soon as we stop, they just decide, well, I guess,

464
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: guess we're done.

465
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 2: Right right?

466
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Speaker 5: I think it just it helps to remind yourself over

467
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 5: and over again. You are an animal. You are a

468
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 5: biological being, no different than beavers. Beavers don't have long,

469
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 5: happy retirements. Look at my teeth they where they said,

470
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 5: are those dentures beaver dentures?

471
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: They look totally natural? Well, they don't. Look at you.

472
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 5: I brought down a sapling yesterday. Good man, you gotta

473
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 5: stay in Jape. No, but the invention of a I

474
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 5: have reproduced. I have raised my young I have functioned

475
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 5: as the village elder, and now I'm just I play

476
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 5: golf and I watched movies that doesn't exist in the

477
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 5: animal world. We invented that, right, So you got to

478
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 5: think about, all right, what is every other beast doing? Well,

479
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 5: it's alive, it stays active. You've got to stay active.

480
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 5: I believe that absolutely.

481
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be annoying works out guy. So

482
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't say this very of a but I

483
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 3: go to the gym every single day, and I feel better.

484
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 3: I feel better now than I felt when I was forty.

485
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm twenty years older than that. I am way more

486
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 3: in every way, feel better from exercising regularly. I hope

487
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: I can keep it up. I probably can't. Like I

488
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: said earlier, I'm doing it only out of vanity.

489
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: But it can't hurt.

490
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: No, it can't hurt. I'm just worried about when, you know,

491
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: like I said, I finally get a mate, I'll just

492
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: I'll become a you know, Jim Schmim huh. Let's I

493
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: watched TV. That's all the way over on the other

494
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: side of living. I'm gonna immediately go from going to

495
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 3: the gym every day to watching TV eating bowls of pudding,

496
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: and the transition will be very seamless.

497
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: Riding around the grocery store on a rascal.

498
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: Right exactly didn't I used to see you at the gym.

499
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: Maybe it all by way?

500
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: Wow?

501
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: Wow, No, I'm predicting my future there. Your new bow

502
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: is going to sue you for fraud. Anyway. I thought

503
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: that was uh. I thought that was a damn interesting story.

504
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 3: Just the idea of looking at extending the enjoyable years

505
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: the whole your your body and mind drops off fifty

506
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: percent after seventy five.

507
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 6: Wow.

508
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 5: And And in a similar vein the one medical story

509
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: that's caught my ear lately and really made an impression

510
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 5: is that study after study is coming act saying staying

511
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 5: physically active is good for your brain. Yeah, prevents Alzheimer's

512
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. It's just it's undeniable.

513
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 3: Jerry Seinfeld's big on that, he says that's why he

514
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 3: lifts weights is because all the studies that show how

515
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: what it does for your brain. So that's good too,

516
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: because my brain answer, I got it. I'm so damn lazy.

517
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: I gotta get it.

518
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 4: The Armstrong and Getty Show or your Joe podcasts and

519
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 4: our hot links Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong

520
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 4: and Getty Show.

521
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: We mentioned one stupid fitness craze he got a real

522
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: fitness craze that is just came across yesterday. It's been

523
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: around for a while, but I want to talk about

524
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: it more. Hick. I think it's Hicks the hick. I'll

525
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: find it to tell it's a it's an acronym. We'll

526
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: get to that coming up next segment.

527
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So a.

528
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 5: Couple of examples of DEI madness and just proof of

529
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 5: what Jack and I and James Lindsay and others I've

530
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 5: been saying for the longest time. The DEI thing, it's

531
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 5: a tool of takeover. It has nothing to do with

532
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 5: what it claims it is. Here are a couple examples.

533
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 5: This is just great stuff from the editors of the

534
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 5: National Review. They're talking about how academics try to have

535
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 5: it both ways. They claim to support diversity and robust

536
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 5: debate on campus right, but then they exclude any views

537
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 5: that challenge the left wing orthodoxy. And now an influential

538
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: academic publication is abandoning all pretense. The American Association of

539
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 5: University Professors, who in their very bylaws state that they

540
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: aim to champion academic freedom, advanced shared governance, and organize

541
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 5: all faculty.

542
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: To promote education for the common Good.

543
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: Well, their magazine just published an article seven theses against

544
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 5: viewpoint diversity by this lady professor at Johns Hopkins.

545
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: Wow, just flat out coming out against viewpoint diversity.

546
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

547
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 5: And she's the president of her university's AAUP chapter, the

548
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: American Association of University Professors. She is at Johns Hopkins,

549
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 5: which is a prominent university, so she's a super heavyweight

550
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 5: among professors.

551
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: I like John's. I feel like Hopkins is a bit

552
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: much anyway.

553
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 5: So there's been plenty of criticism of her article, But

554
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 5: in an attempt to defend the article, the AAUP responded

555
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 5: with a following quote, Fascism generally doesn't do great under

556
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 5: peer review, but perhaps it's the intellectual values of academia,

557
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 5: which emphasizes critical inquiry and challenges traditional norms that may

558
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 5: be inherently less appealing to those with a more conservative worldview.

559
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 5: In other words, academia skews way left because fascism doesn't

560
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 5: survive intellectual scrutiny. So they're saying anyone who isn't sufficiently

561
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 5: progressive and woke is a Nazi who needs to be

562
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: ejected from higher education. As the national If you guys, say,

563
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 5: could there be a more stark confirmation of the public's

564
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: perception of universities as ideological hubs unaware of their own internal,

565
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: you know, one sidedness.

566
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Speaker 2: They use a lot of fancy words, but.

567
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 5: It is absolutely stunning coming out and saying no, we

568
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 5: don't have intellectual diversity because anybody who doesn't agree with us.

569
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Speaker 2: Is a fascist. Yeah.

570
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: I butted up against this fairly recently in a way

571
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to get into. But the crowd that

572
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: actually equates the term conservative with something incredibly evil, Like

573
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: it's not a political philosophy that's always existed and always

574
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: will exist and needs to exist. That's intension with you know,

575
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: the other side, whatever you want to call it. It's

576
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: just it's flat out evil and should be given no

577
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: air whatsoever, which is nuts.

578
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

579
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 5: It is divorced from all reality, all wisdom. I would

580
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 5: never say that experience everything should be to the right

581
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 5: forever and never looked at in any other.

582
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: Way that I think that'd be. That makes you a

583
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: weird sort of person.

584
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an aspect of radical leftism and UH and

585
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 5: revolutionary movements in general. They are utterly intolerant of dissent.

586
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 5: I mean, that's kind of common.

587
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: How do you ever come to how do you ever

588
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: come come to the conclusion, though maybe it's just a

589
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: way I'm built that you're right about everything, always right, always,

590
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: How do you get that way?

591
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

592
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 5: And the idea that I mean, the idea that there

593
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: is a Marxist professor who believes everything to the right

594
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 5: of Marxism is fascism. The fact that there's a professor

595
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 5: who believes that, I'd think.

596
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: All right, you know, that's fine, takes all kinds.

597
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: But the idea that there's nothing but that on American

598
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 5: universities or those who are not that are terrified to

599
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 5: even speak that, that's I mean, folks, that's a serious,

600
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 5: serious problem. And now they're just saying it openly, the

601
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: lead organization for professors saying, no, we don't want diversity

602
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: of opinion because you're fascists.

603
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Anyway.

604
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: On a much much lighter note, Real Clear Politics, with

605
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: an article out lately about how Biden's Secret Service was

606
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 5: so steeped in diversity, equity and inclusion DEI practices that

607
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 5: it could hardly function. Boy, did we see any examples

608
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 5: of that during Biden's reign. I don't know teenage or

609
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 5: twenty year old jackass near dwells getting clear shots at

610
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 5: the president for instance. Anyway, Real Clear Politics noted the

611
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: former Secret Service director Kimberly Cheadle had pushed an initiative

612
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 5: under Biden quote to make the federal government a DEI

613
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 5: model for the nation, so that lady who's going to

614
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 5: lead the Secret Service one the whole federal government to

615
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: be a model of DEI, which means more radical progressives.

616
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: It's not diverse, the it's more progressives. Anyway.

617
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 5: She resigned from her post in July twenty four after

618
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: being unable or unwilling to answer questions from lawmakers on

619
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 5: how the agency failed to prevent the assassination attempt against Trump.

620
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: As he spoke in Butler, Pennsylvania, that we all remember

621
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 5: and keeping in mind, Real Clear Politics is a pretty

622
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: down the middle ish, typical slightly left journalism outfit. They

623
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 5: offered further insight into the DEI push at the agency

624
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 5: during Biden's years, highlighting a reported overweight female agent who

625
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: was also a plus sized model and I read from

626
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: Real Clear Politics. Under Cheetle's leadership, DEI had become so

627
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 5: normalized that an overweight female agent who never passed her

628
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: physical fitness tests was not only retained on the staff,

629
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 5: she was allowed to moonlight as a model. The agent

630
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 5: who was featured in a magazine profile traded on her

631
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 5: job in federal law enforcement and hinted at her Secret

632
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 5: Service position in a photoshoot labeled undercover but never underdressed god.

633
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 5: The female agent who bills herself as a nationally published

634
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: curve model, plus sized fashion and fitness influencer and body

635
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 5: positivity advocate.

636
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: I feel like, even if she could do the physical

637
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: fitness stuff, that's not the sort of person you want

638
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 3: as a secret Service agent. Who's a model influencer type.

639
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: That just seems like a weird personality type to be

640
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: in the Secret Service.

641
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 5: What other side hustles are allowed for secret Service agents?

642
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Could you gi me a strip club DJ? Or

643
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: is there any limit to the sort of right?

644
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 5: Could you write like angry editorials for I don't know,

645
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 5: Breitbart or something like that.

646
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know anyway, here's a little more.

647
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 5: The gal, the big gall who never passed her test

648
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 5: at all, was assigned to protect Kamala Harris's stepdaughter LamaH

649
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 5: off in New York. After several failed attempts to pass

650
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 5: a physical fitness test, the agent was placed in the

651
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: Special Services Division, which had support functions for the agency,

652
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 5: including the maintenance of the armored vehicle fleet and the

653
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 5: screening of mail and packages for the White House Complex.

654
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: According to four sources in the Secret Services community, you.

655
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Speaker 3: Know, there'd be so many people that want those jobs

656
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: in the Secret Service. There'd be so many candidates, And

657
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: you go ahead and let somebody who can't pass the

658
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: physical fitness test be on the team. I mean, that's

659
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: so weak, right next, right, you got two shots. Next, Sorry,

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Speaker 2: But you get the idea. DEI is insidious.

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