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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Imagine in the back of an extremely hot car with

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Speaker 2: the windows completely rolled up against hotter and hotter with

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Speaker 2: every fifteen minute segment, and the air is stifling. That's

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Speaker 2: exactly what happened to Baby Cooper. Twenty two month old

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Speaker 2: Baby Cooper left in a hot car to.

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Speaker 1: Die, and in the last days, a.

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Speaker 2: Metro Atlanta man accused of putting him there, walks free

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Speaker 2: from behind bars.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Justin Ross Harris released from making State prison after serving

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Speaker 2: only ten years. He was originally given a life sentence

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Speaker 2: for the death of baby Cooper, but in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: the Georgia Supremes decide to overturn that murder conviction. Why

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Speaker 2: because evidence came in that at the time he leaves

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Speaker 2: his baby boy, his top boy in the car to die,

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Speaker 2: he's sexting multiple women, of course, behind his wife's back.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's doing as he gets out of the car,

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Speaker 2: and as he goes inside to work, as Baby Cooper dies.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories, Imancy Grace, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. There are two one year sentences left for

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Speaker 2: misdemeanors for distribution of obscene material to minors prosecutor said,

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Speaker 2: and injury agreed that Harris left his son in a

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Speaker 2: hot car back in June twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: He was taking Cooper off.

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Speaker 2: To daycare and then on his way to his job

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Speaker 2: at Home Depot Corporate, but he didn't do that. Seven

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Speaker 2: hours later, Cooper's found in the backseat. The dad Harris

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Speaker 2: claimed it was all an accident and blamed sleep deprivation.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutors claim Harris wanted out of his marriage and had

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Speaker 2: his sight set on having sex with as many women

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Speaker 2: as possible.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Where's become in coming? Yes, ma'am left of the car.

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Speaker 3: Anybody around them wearing bad? Can you see the baby

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Speaker 3: from when you were from where you are?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: The baby appeared to be asking about your hold and

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Speaker 3: can you see him bringing?

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: A baby on the ground. Nine on one coming as

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Speaker 2: fast as they can. That baby, little Cooper Harris, just

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Speaker 2: twenty two months old. How did a baby that precious,

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Speaker 2: I mean, aren't all babies precious at that age end

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Speaker 2: up on an asphalt parking lot near a mall with

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Speaker 2: nine one one being called to save his life. I'm

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Speaker 2: a little overwhelmed just hearing it, because I know that

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Speaker 2: area is so well, there's cars flying by red lights,

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Speaker 2: there's a huge mall near where this call was made,

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Speaker 2: and a tiny, little beady baby lying on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear more of that nine to one one call.

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Speaker 3: I want to pair one of the parents. I look

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Speaker 3: like a good comparison and American. Okay, be then we

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Speaker 3: do have people on the line, okay, but I want

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Speaker 3: to get a bunch of poins makay from you. So

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Speaker 3: we don't know if the baby's breathing. Correction far to

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Speaker 3: the baby's blaming? All right, I'm here against Tiger King.

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Speaker 3: Had them on the way?

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Speaker 1: Who and the hey had the baby? Who had little Cooper?

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Speaker 2: Who was in charge of him?

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Speaker 1: How did he get there?

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Speaker 2: Why is nine one one being called? Well, where's daddy?

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Speaker 2: Daddy was driving him home from daycare, or at least

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Speaker 2: that's where he should have been. But listen to our

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Speaker 2: friend Amy Roeboch at ABC's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: Despite Ross's apparent initial distress, the cops antennas immediately go up.

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Speaker 7: I think that's what police were suspicious so quickly because

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Speaker 7: of his behavior at the scene.

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Speaker 6: Christian Boone covered the story for the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

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Speaker 7: When they arrived. Someone else is doing CPR to Cooper.

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Speaker 7: He was talking on the phone of somebody. Oscar came up.

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Speaker 3: He yelled at her, hold on, hold up.

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Speaker 7: He was a little raddick who was sitting the back

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Speaker 7: the squad cart, alternately weeping or very straw and then

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Speaker 8: One of the officers, the best she could describe it

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Speaker 8: as was almost like Will Ferrell. One minute he would

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Speaker 8: be yelling my boy, my boy, Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Next minute he's call you're hearing again our friends at

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Speaker 1: I was just taken aback.

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Speaker 2: Then when you actually hear the father screaming and carrying

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Speaker 9: Big word that came out today from the Medical Examiner's

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Speaker 9: Office homicide homicide in the manner of death category. They've

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Speaker 9: now found that this was a homicide cause of death

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Speaker 9: hyperthermia the overheating of the body. However, the official manner

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Speaker 9: with homicide. As the manner of death and hyperthermia as

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Speaker 9: the cause of death.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now an all star lineup.

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Speaker 2: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family attorney, Vincent Hill cop turn PI,

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Speaker 2: author of Playbook to a Murder, Doctor Jolie Silva, clinical

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Speaker 2: forensic psychologist, Doctor Michelle dupre South Carolina medical examiner and

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Speaker 2: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Robin Willinskey Crime Online

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Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life, the

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Speaker 2: CSI behind the Casey Anthony trial on Amazon to doctor

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Speaker 2: Michelle Duprix, explain to me what is did they say

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Speaker 2: hype o thermia?

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Speaker 4: This was actually hyperthermia, Nancy, and hyperthermia is just the

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Speaker 4: opposite of hypothermia. This is when the body cannot regulate

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Speaker 4: the amount of heat it is experiencing. So this is

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Speaker 4: the body getting overheated.

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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Michelle Duprix. This is not Hansel and Gretel

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Speaker 2: where you leave one little brad crime and then I

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Speaker 2: run to the next one. Okay, you know what I'm

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Speaker 1: Say, break it down.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody listening right now. Is an MD medical doctor

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Speaker 2: who has performed literally thousands of autopsies and written a

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Speaker 2: book Okay, how do you get hyper hype or thermia?

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Speaker 2: How hot does it have to be? How long do

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Speaker 2: you have to be in the heat? Is this the

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Speaker 2: same as a heat stroke? What are the symptoms and

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Speaker 2: what does the victim go through?

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Speaker 4: Just for starters, thinks Nancy broke for getting me back

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Speaker 4: on course. Well, again, this is when the body becomes

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Speaker 4: overheated and can't handle the amount of heat. Typically something

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Speaker 4: a severe reaction, but there's different stages of hypothermia. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't just happen all at once. The body goes into

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Speaker 4: stress heat stress when the person becomes dizzy, uncomfortable, nause maybe,

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Speaker 4: body can go into heat fatigue, and when that happens,

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Speaker 4: then actually go into heat syncopae, which means that they

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Speaker 4: their coordination issues. Now there's trouble concentrating. There's a rapid pulse. Again,

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Speaker 2: And it's actually very very common. I recall just recently

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Speaker 2: my sister in law, boss wife and been out in

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Speaker 1: She got hot.

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Speaker 2: She kept playing some kind of tournament somewhere, and she

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Speaker 1: She has a heat stroke and perfectly good health.

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Speaker 2: She had no idea anything was happening other than she

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Speaker 10: That was it.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about this little twenty two month old baby,

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Speaker 2: the scene I'm not quite sure why the father ended

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Speaker 2: to the police, I think that pretty much sealed it.

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Speaker 11: What was he doing in the back of the.

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Speaker 10: Police car, Well, he was sitting there, and then they

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Speaker 10: they came and they began to speak with him. But

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Speaker 10: he wasn't acting out, he wasn't being violent in the

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Speaker 2: Mister Madden, he actually saw the tot baby Cooper pulled

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Speaker 10: The first thing, asked her, noticing that the body that

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Speaker 10: two year old toddler. It was about four or five

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Speaker 10: He looked clean. I saw no bruises, I saw no abrasions.

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Speaker 2: He was laying on his back, Okay, because the abrasions

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Speaker 10: No, he looked normal. He just was lifeless.

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Speaker 2: But a stunning twist in the case of Baby Cooper

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Speaker 2: crime stories, with Nancy Grace on trial for the hot

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Speaker 2: card death of his baby boy, the state claimed Justin

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Speaker 2: Ross Harris was a sex deviant who intentionally left Cooper

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Speaker 2: to die so he could pursue women he meets online,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of them, some of them were teenagers.

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Speaker 2: Harris exchanged multiple sex messages with multiple women the day

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Speaker 2: his son died. One of the text exchanges was with

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Speaker 2: a sixteen year old girl. Now, the Georgia Supremes, in

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Speaker 2: all of their wisdom, claimed that this information was needlessly

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Speaker 2: cumulative and prejudicial. Hello, not, wasn't That's where his mind

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Speaker 2: was when he left his little boy to die.

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Speaker 1: What more do we know.

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Speaker 11: I'm not a mourning person. And of course, as usual,

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Speaker 11: I didn't wake up when I wanted to or needed to.

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Speaker 11: I was getting ready to walk out the door. I

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Speaker 11: came back, and you know, I told him both by

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Speaker 11: and I kissed Cooper. I kissed Cooper goodbye.

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Speaker 12: Not noek that I was literally kissing goodbye.

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Speaker 6: Eight thirty am, Ross loads Cooper into their small suv,

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Speaker 6: Surveillance video from that morning shows Ross holding Cooper while

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Speaker 6: they order food. On any other day, Ross would leave

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Speaker 2: I drove that stretch over and over and over trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out how a dad justin Ross Harris could

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Speaker 2: quote forget about his baby in just literally minutes, and

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Speaker 10: Tell me exactly what happened. The guy pulled up parking

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Speaker 3: The child would kept saying what have I've done?

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Speaker 11: What have I done? Laid him on the ground, started

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Speaker 2: A lot of people wonder, how could you forget about

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Speaker 1: I think I have an idea.

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Speaker 11: In the car? Yes, okay, what did you uncover?

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Speaker 14: He was having up to six different conversations with different women.

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Speaker 13: Related messaging service? It is and these conversations he was

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Speaker 11: The most common term would be sexting.

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Speaker 2: And not only that, sending them online photos of his penis.

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Speaker 2: The last thing I am thinking about is a picture

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Speaker 2: Robin Willinski, crime online, common investigative reporter, no offense to

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Speaker 2: seven thirty seven forty five am. He's just left Chick

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Speaker 2: die of hyper thermia. Thank you, doctor Michelle dpree.

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Speaker 5: What Nancy, that is quite the segue. I've worked with

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Speaker 5: in the morning, that said, here's how this all started,

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Speaker 5: by the way, when I first moved to Atlanta, that

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Speaker 1: You make the propos my stars. Wait a minute, Robin

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Speaker 1: me too. And this was in law school.

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Speaker 2: I came up here for an internship. I was supposed

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Speaker 1: The whole thing burned down. So quickly found an.

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Speaker 5: It's at a very busy intersection. And you make the

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Speaker 5: little Cooper. Well, when you come out of that Chick

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Speaker 5: yourself and your child, your little son breakfast at Chick

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Speaker 5: fil A, little nuggets or whatever you ordering, how do you,

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Speaker 5: thirty seconds after pulling out of that parking lot not

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Speaker 5: straight at the light? Now, Ross Harris worked at the

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Speaker 2: Disturbing news is that the Cobb County District Attorney's office

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Speaker 2: charges in his son's death. Baby Cooper died a horrible,

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Speaker 2: Daddy even comes out at lunchtime, opens the car door

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Speaker 11: What more do we know?

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Speaker 14: Yes, there were a photos of his exposed penis erect

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Speaker 14: penis being sent There were also photos of women's breasts

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Speaker 14: being sent back to him.

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Speaker 13: Now, did you actually have you located every one of

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Speaker 13: you located any of them.

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Speaker 11: I have located two of them.

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Speaker 13: The first one I won't use the user name, but

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Speaker 14: I did?

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Speaker 11: And what did she say?

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Speaker 14: She said that she had first met Ross and she

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Speaker 14: knew him as Ross through Scout, which is another messaging.

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Speaker 11: Service, and that he had met up in that he

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Speaker 13: And did she talk to you and confirm the nature

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Speaker 11: Yes, she did.

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Speaker 13: I'm going to turn your attention. Was there also another

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Speaker 2: I have?

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Speaker 13: And how old is that girl?

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Speaker 11: She has seventeen this time?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute. Okay, we've

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Speaker 2: cop turned PI, author of Playbook to a Murder? Did

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Speaker 2: I just hear underage sexting? Number one? He's married, okay,

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: You heard that exactly right.

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Speaker 15: Nancy seventeen years old and you're sending pictures of your

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Speaker 15: not only are you a sexual pervert, but you're a pedophile.

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Speaker 15: You're sending pictures to a seventeen year old. Oh my gosh, Nancy,

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Speaker 2: Now, Vincent Hill, let me understand something. You wrote Playbook

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Speaker 2: What about death by a hot car? That takes some thinking.

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Speaker 2: That takes some premeditation, Vincent Hill.

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Speaker 15: It takes thinking, It takes planning. This is not something

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Speaker 13: To do this because I know it will work.

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Speaker 15: And I'm sure that mister Ross himself was looking for

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Speaker 2: Nancy, Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Vincent Hill,

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Speaker 2: excellent point, Robi Wilenski. Let's talk about the computer searches.

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Speaker 2: I mean, hello, everybody. Unless you take your computer out

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Speaker 2: beat it with a sledgehammer, you can get forever and

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Speaker 2: ever information off the hard drive. Now that's the computer

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Speaker 2: get rid of computer searches. Robin Olinsky. We've seen them

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Speaker 2: jump up and bite people in the neck a million times.

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Speaker 2: I don't even have to mention tot mom who was

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Speaker 2: looking up homemade chloroform and neck breaking. I mean, that's

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Speaker 11: Robin.

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Speaker 2: What did justin Ross Harris's computer searches reveal? And guys,

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Speaker 2: stunned by it. But about the computer searches, Robin Olinsky, Yeah, the.

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Speaker 5: Bottom line is that he looked up a video and

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Speaker 4: In the summer.

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Speaker 5: And the man in the video actually has one of

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Speaker 5: And he holds up a big thermometer and you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy is a vet trying to warn people

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Speaker 2: Kathleen Murphy. Kathleen Murphy, there were all sorts of problems

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Speaker 13: These messages in these chats. Did they start in the

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Speaker 6: They do?

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Speaker 11: And when did they end around three o'clock that afternoon?

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Speaker 13: Okay, so about an hour before he left?

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Speaker 16: Over?

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Speaker 11: Will the objection?

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Speaker 13: Now, this sixteen year old girl with these chats of

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Speaker 11: Correct?

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Speaker 13: Did these were these sexually involved as well? They were Okay,

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Speaker 13: did she send him a picture that day?

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Speaker 11: She did?

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Speaker 4: Of what?

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Speaker 11: She sent? A picture of her exposed breasts? And did

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Speaker 13: Now we talked a little bit about these computers. Have

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Speaker 11: Though we've only scratched the surface.

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Speaker 13: Now, based upon you review these computers and other devices

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Speaker 13: has deleted some of the things from cross referencing these

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Speaker 13: turn your attention again, Like you've said, motive as to

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Speaker 13: his marital status issues he's having in his state of mind.

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Speaker 13: Did the wife tell you anything they were having any

446
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Speaker 13: problems in their marriage?

447
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Speaker 11: Leannas stated that they're having intimacy problems.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so.

449
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Speaker 2: I guess they are with your husband sexting all these women,

450
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Speaker 2: sending photos of his genitals to underage girls, I guess

451
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Speaker 2: there are problems. To doctor Julie Silva, clinical forensic psychologists

452
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Speaker 2: joining us, Doctor Silva, it's hard for me to fathom

453
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Speaker 2: blaming your child for a marital problem, much less hurting

454
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Speaker 2: your child because you want out of the marriage.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, I think what happens a lot of

456
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Speaker 12: times in you know, relationship issues, especially when they're when

457
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Speaker 12: they're having a kind of problem, is that they're so

458
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Speaker 12: into their own problems and they're so into what's going

459
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Speaker 12: on internally with them, that the children just become kind

460
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Speaker 12: of this tool to use to help them advance themselves

461
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Speaker 12: in whichever way they want in the relationship, which is

462
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Speaker 12: really a hard thing to wrap your head around if

463
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Speaker 12: you are a parent. They they don't have at some point,

464
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Speaker 12: they don't have the ability to put themselves in the

465
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Speaker 12: child's shoes and understand what the child is going through,

466
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Speaker 12: but rather use the child as a means to get

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Speaker 12: what they want, you know, turning the child against the

468
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Speaker 12: other parent, or just using the child, you know, to

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Speaker 12: encant what they want to happen in the relationship. You know,

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Speaker 12: just another piece of this. The forgotten baby syndrome is

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Speaker 12: a syndrome because there are an average thirty eight deaths

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Speaker 12: a year that happened to babies because of parents leaving

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Speaker 12: their child in a hot car, and it's happening like

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Speaker 12: an average of thirty eight times a year, and this

475
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Speaker 12: is one of them.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: The hard time I have with this is the.

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Speaker 12: Short amount of time, the thirty seconds where he claims

479
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Speaker 12: to have forgotten to make the turn to daycare. What

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Speaker 12: happens with forgotten baby syndrome is that there's a part

481
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Speaker 12: of your brain that controls for habits, so you know

482
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Speaker 12: when you're driving to work or if you have to

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Speaker 12: If you're driving to work every single day, that's just

484
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Speaker 12: the habit. You're not thinking about it. So if you

485
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Speaker 12: have to pull over to get gass, you might forget

486
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Speaker 12: to do that because you're habitually. Driving to work is

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Speaker 12: a part of the brain that controls for habit where

488
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Speaker 12: you don't have to think to do something. You don't

489
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Speaker 12: have to think when you brush your teeth, you don't

490
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Speaker 12: have to think when you back out of the driver

491
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Speaker 12: when you're driving to work, you don't have to actually

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Speaker 12: think and make any decisions because it frees up the

493
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Speaker 12: part of the brain, the decision making part of the brain,

494
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Speaker 12: to think about other things you have to do. With

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Speaker 12: forgotten baby syndrome, what happens in a lot of these

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Speaker 12: cases is that people are habitually going through the motions

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Speaker 12: and then don't think that the baby is in the

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Speaker 12: back of the car because they're in kind of a fog.

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Speaker 12: They're just going through the motion. And sometimes what happens

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Speaker 12: is if you are doing something in your routine that

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Speaker 12: vh from the normal routine, like stopping for breakfast, like

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Speaker 12: stopping for a cup of coffee, like getting gas, you'd

503
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Speaker 12: be more likely to have forgotten baby syndrome, which is

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Speaker 12: what I'm guessing is what he is, you know, arguing

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Speaker 12: in his case for the hard time I have with

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Speaker 12: it is that it's only thirty thirty seconds or a

507
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Speaker 12: minute where he would his brain would have snapped into

508
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Speaker 12: this habit where he would have forgotten about it. So

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Speaker 12: you know that that's the hard and also the fact

510
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Speaker 12: that he was looking at the video the day before,

511
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Speaker 12: you know, a couple of days before, and the sex thing.

512
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Speaker 12: You know, his mind was just totally preoccupied something else.

513
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Speaker 12: So forgotten baby syndrome is a real thing, and a

514
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Speaker 12: lot of these parents are not convicted because of forgotten

515
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Speaker 12: baby syndrome.

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Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen alone, fifty two babies, fifty two children

517
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Speaker 2: died of the hot car syndrome. You know, he could

518
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Speaker 2: argue hot car syndrome, But the Google searches that he

519
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: performed just before baby Cooper's death reveal a different story

520
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Speaker 2: I've never ever accept in relation to this case. Looked

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Speaker 2: up how many children die in hot cars? How long

522
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Speaker 2: does it take to die in a hot car? Videos

523
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Speaker 2: explaining hot car death. Not only that, when mom goes

524
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Speaker 2: to pick up baby Cooper at daycare and they say

525
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Speaker 2: he's not here, he was never brought here. One of

526
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Speaker 2: the first things she said was, oh, no, I hope

527
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Speaker 2: Justin didn't leave him in the car, So obviously that

528
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Speaker 2: was something that they had discussed. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to what happened regarding the stench in

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Speaker 2: that car when Daddy gets back in and then makes

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Speaker 2: his way to a movie. Take a listen.

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Speaker 13: Did he approached the car at any point at the scene?

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Speaker 11: He did?

534
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Speaker 13: About how long after the defendant had pulled.

535
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Speaker 11: Over over an hour?

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Speaker 13: And when he approached the car and stuck his headed

537
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Speaker 13: did he stick his head in?

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Speaker 4: He did?

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Speaker 11: When he did that.

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Speaker 13: Was there anything of note that he noticed an hour

541
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Speaker 13: and twenty minutes after with the door open.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there was a file order or a stench coming

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Speaker 11: from the vehicle.

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Speaker 13: Now, did you actually access that vehicle later as well?

545
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Speaker 11: I did?

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Speaker 13: And why did you do that?

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Speaker 11: We executed search Warren that vehicle later on that.

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Speaker 13: Night when you executed that search warrant and you went

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Speaker 13: inside that vehicle hours later, did you notice anything?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it smelled like it was a foul order.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace justin Ross Harris too busy.

552
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Speaker 2: So a sixteen year old girl to remember his top

553
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Speaker 2: boy was in the car the whole time, the whole

554
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Speaker 2: day he's at work and the air conditioned sexting various women,

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Speaker 2: including a sixteen year old girl. What a jury convicts him,

556
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Speaker 2: but the Georgia Supreme Court decides, eh, the jury should

557
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Speaker 2: never have heard about the sexting.

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Speaker 1: Uh, okay, that's bs. What more do we know?

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Speaker 13: Would it have been a painful death?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 13: Did you notice any? Were there any injuries to the

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Speaker 13: child's face?

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Speaker 11: There were? And what were those?

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Speaker 14: The ways explained There were several marks on the child's face.

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Speaker 14: It would have come from the child or a scratch

566
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Speaker 14: being made while the child was alive and then not healing,

567
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Speaker 14: not scabbing older over or anything like that. And just

568
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Speaker 14: soon after he passed away.

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Speaker 13: Were there any injuries to the child back of the

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Speaker 13: child's head.

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Speaker 11: Yes, there were home abrasions to the back of the childhood.

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Speaker 2: You were hearing testimony regarding the death of baby Cooper

573
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Speaker 2: Harris at the trial of dad Justin Ross Harris.

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Speaker 1: Coeper's dad.

575
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: Days and days of testimony, the father Justin Ross Harris convicted.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 16: The court pronounces the following sentence. In the case of

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Speaker 16: the State of Georgia versus Justin Ross Harris, Criminal Action

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Speaker 16: fourteen ninety three one two four As to count one,

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Speaker 16: the Court imposes the sentence of as to malice murder,

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Speaker 16: with the jury having found the defendant guilty. Sentence of

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Speaker 16: the court is life to serve in confinement without parole.

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Speaker 16: As to count two felony murder guilty. It's vacated by

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Speaker 16: law due to the conviction on count one as to

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Speaker 16: count three felony murder disposition by the jury of guilty.

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Speaker 16: It is also vacated by law due to conviction on

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Speaker 16: count one as to count four cruelty to children in

588
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Speaker 16: the first degree. The jury having found the defendant guilty,

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Speaker 16: the sentence of the court is twenty years to serve

590
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Speaker 16: in confinement. This will be consecutive to count one malice

591
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Speaker 16: murder life to serve in confinement without parole.

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Speaker 2: What that means is even after a life without parole sentence,

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Speaker 2: he still will serve a twenty year sentence. Justin Ross

594
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Speaker 2: Harris convicted for leaving his taught son in a hot

595
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Speaker 2: car to die. But I want you to hear about

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Speaker 2: something else he complained about.

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Speaker 6: Cobb County Assistant District Attorney Chuck Boring says, Ross's strange

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Speaker 6: behavior continues in the back of that police car, complaining

599
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Speaker 6: about everything from the cuffs, hurt to believe it or not,

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Speaker 6: it being too hot in the back seat.

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Speaker 8: Within a minute or two, if you allegedly discovering your

602
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Speaker 8: son deceased in the back of your car, you're in

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Speaker 8: the patrol car planning about how hot it is in

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Speaker 8: the back of the car that struck police as well.

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Speaker 6: How would you expect a grieving father who had accidentally

606
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Speaker 6: placed his child in the backseat and left him there.

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Speaker 6: How would you expect someone in that situation to act?

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Speaker 8: I think it's fair to say that there's a spectrum

609
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Speaker 8: of reactions. You can't say one person is going to

610
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Speaker 8: react a certain way.

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Speaker 6: And Ross Harris's behavior was out of that spectrum.

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Speaker 11: It was absolutely outside the norm.

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Speaker 6: When word spreads of Ross's arrest, an outraged public quickly

614
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Speaker 6: comes to his defense.

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Speaker 7: The community thought it was just a horrific tragedy, that

616
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Speaker 7: it was a horrible accident. I think a lot of

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Speaker 7: people can understand why the police were holding Ross.

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Speaker 11: Harris.

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Speaker 2: Well, those Google surgeons didn't help his case looking up

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Speaker 2: hot car desk just before his son dies in a

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Speaker 2: hot car. So even then, he's complaining when he's put

622
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Speaker 2: in the police car after yelling fu to the police

623
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Speaker 2: and becoming belligerent with them at the scene of his

624
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Speaker 2: son's the discovery of his death, he's sitting in the

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Speaker 2: backseat of the car and he starts complaining about how

626
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Speaker 2: hot it is. All the cops just look at each other.

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Speaker 2: I mean, really, the irony of that.

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Speaker 11: Listen, we're all parents here.

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Speaker 15: You know, when kids get you know, that greasy food,

630
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Speaker 15: they're happy, they're jovelent, they're talking. And he's in the

631
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Speaker 15: car with his son, who's probably like, yes, I got chickile,

632
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Speaker 15: I'm drinking my juice. How do you forget that your

633
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Speaker 15: child is in the car, Nancy, And outside of that,

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Speaker 15: you cannot escape the Google searches of hot card death.

635
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Speaker 15: That shows intent. Now, if there was a Google search

636
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Speaker 15: of how to do a mass shooting and he left

637
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Speaker 15: his son in the car, that's a different story. But

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Speaker 15: the fact that you searched how to conduct a hot

639
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Speaker 15: card death, that shows your intent. You can't get around that.

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Speaker 2: Well, police say they were suspicious from the very beginning

641
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Speaker 2: when they removed his son's lifeless body from the suv.

642
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Speaker 2: The child had been in the car for seven hours.

643
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Speaker 2: Justin Ross Harris too busy sexting a sixteen year old

644
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Speaker 2: girl to remember his top boy was in the car

645
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: the whole time, the whole day he's at work and

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Speaker 2: the air conditioned sexting various women, including a sixteen year

647
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Speaker 2: old girl.

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Speaker 1: He was originally given a.

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Speaker 2: Life sentence for the death of baby Coeper, but in

650
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, the Georgia Supremes decide to overturn that

651
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Speaker 2: murder conviction, and in the last days, a Metro Atlanta

652
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Speaker 2: man accused of putting him there walks.

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Speaker 1: Free from behind bars.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Justin Ross Harris released from making state prison. Well,

655
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Speaker 2: I cannot say in good conscience that justice was served.

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Speaker 11: Goodbye, friend,