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Speaker 1: Welcome to She Pivots. I'm your host to Emilie Tish Sussman.

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Speaker 3: One of my goals in starting this podcast is to

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Speaker 3: highlight voices and stories of women who went through something

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Speaker 3: deeply personal, only to come out of it on the

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Speaker 3: other side better than they could have imagined. After launching

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Speaker 3: she Pivots last year, it's clear it's not a small

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Speaker 3: This applies to most women, whether it's a big pivot

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Speaker 3: or even just a tiny pivot. What's clear is there's

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Speaker 3: still a lot of unpacking to do around pivoting. So

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Speaker 3: as we're continuing to build this platform and community through

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Speaker 3: new episodes, I wanted to also bring you more stories,

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Speaker 3: unfiltered and honest. So I'll be sitting down with more women,

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Speaker 3: maybe the occasional man, some of whom have mastered their

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Speaker 3: own pivot, some are just starting the pivoting journey. Are

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Speaker 3: some just have something to teach us about the deeply

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Speaker 3: personal moments of life. So stay tuned for more of

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Speaker 3: these candid conversations this season.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump right in.

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Speaker 4: Okay, welcome back to she Pivots with a super special

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Speaker 4: episode with a super special guest, Aaron Leechy New Real

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Speaker 4: Housewives of New York. Welcome eron. Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 3: You are at the beginning of like a press whirlwind here,

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Speaker 3: I sure am how much press and you're done previous

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Speaker 3: to Real Housewives of New York planning and launching.

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Speaker 1: I always, you mean, in relation to the show or

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Speaker 3: Just like in your life, like all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: you're like, oh, here's my ninth president of the day.

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Speaker 5: I now, I mean, I always kind of was in

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Speaker 5: I've always had a lot of press opportunities and been involved,

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Speaker 5: but not.

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Speaker 1: To this level and not this personal. Maybe and not

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm realizing that I just filmed a show

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Speaker 1: So it's like, how do you you know? Like how

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Speaker 3: But well, I was actually just thinking that, like how

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Speaker 1: Interview, I think, And that's like, how long ago did

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Speaker 5: We started in like I think end of October, okay,

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Speaker 3: I was going to ask about that because I was

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Speaker 3: I talked to them, stop, Yeah, I asked. I was like, hey,

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Speaker 3: Oh is that where my son had karate at the Kites,

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Speaker 3: Was that weird having people that you only kind of

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Speaker 3: But I'm used to hosting. I'm always I always have

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Speaker 3: You know, the premise of this show is that we've

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Speaker 3: You started in your first professional endeavor in real estate

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Speaker 5: And it was just in my blood, Like my parents

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like when other people were having like a I

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Speaker 5: So he plucked me basically from that new development, and

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Speaker 1: It was crazy wild.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you think about that as like I am

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Speaker 5: I was just like going with like I can't tell

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Speaker 1: I did Iasca in the jungle before I was but

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Speaker 5: I know it sounds weird, but it's like I just

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Speaker 1: Do more and do more. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean we both grew up in the city, and

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Speaker 3: I feel like there was this sense why would you

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Speaker 3: ever live anywhere else? Like just like why would you leave?

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Speaker 3: I mean I've been to almost every city, Like what's

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Speaker 1: Really, Like I asked people this all, where is there better? Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's Chicago, but it's like terribly windy and freezing and

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Speaker 5: And like for me, being able to get to Europe

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Speaker 3: I just think New York is the quintessential city. You know,

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Speaker 5: you know, you're you're not supposed to tell your kids

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00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,480
Speaker 5: like everything they did is so great.

440
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's and it's true. It's like, Okay, well

441
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,000
Speaker 1: that was a good try.

442
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,360
Speaker 5: It's the same thing of like I can't be at

443
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,560
Speaker 5: everything like that's just not real life.

444
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so they do. I think it's grounding

445
00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,119
Speaker 1: for them, and they do need to know that, like

446
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,440
Speaker 1: life doesn't all around them. Not everything they do.

447
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,159
Speaker 5: Is perfect, Like things are get hairy, and it's all

448
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 5: about how you work it out. Like one day, Abe

449
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,679
Speaker 5: and I got in like a stupid fight, like a

450
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,440
Speaker 5: really dumb, dumb argument, and we were like bickering on

451
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 5: each other, and my son was like, don't fight, don't fight.

452
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,359
Speaker 5: And later on we went and I'm being very honest

453
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,439
Speaker 5: about this because I think it's important for mothers to

454
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 5: think every couple fights, and it's also okay for your

455
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 5: kids to see that. I'm not saying that you should

456
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 5: like throw things at each other and have like a

457
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 5: violent argument. But you know, we took him to the

458
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 5: side later and we had a conversation with him and

459
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,919
Speaker 5: we said, listen, we're gonna fight sometimes. You fight with

460
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 5: your sisters sometimes, right, but you always work it out,

461
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 5: you know, work it out, We talk it through.

462
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 1: We love each other like that's normal.

463
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think it's important for kids to know

464
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,479
Speaker 5: and also for parents not to be so hard on them.

465
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 1: So I was like, you can't be perfect all the time. Yeah, Oh,

466
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: that's interesting.

467
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 3: That's I do try to be really honest with my kids,

468
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,919
Speaker 3: but not fighting with my husband in front of my

469
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,439
Speaker 3: kids is something that I really try me too not

470
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 3: to do, although now that I'm thinking about it, I

471
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 3: probably still do it. Probably the only part I'm missing

472
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 3: is telling my kids I'm just fighting with them anybody.

473
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 5: I think because my son had a reaction, we were like,

474
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 5: all right, let's have a conversation with him about it,

475
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,199
Speaker 5: you know, like he realized that we were getting I mean,

476
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 5: it wasn't even a big deal. It's not the worst

477
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 5: thing for them to see, you know, conflict and resolution.

478
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, no, it's an important thing for them

479
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: to say.

480
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 3: So how do you let's let's talk about Ronnie now, Like,

481
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 3: how do you think about the relationship with your kids

482
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 3: and the show. You're obviously entering this new phase which

483
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 3: is more public than you guys have ever been.

484
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I don't even really realize how

485
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: crazy it's going to be. Honestly, I'm like the more

486
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 1: i'm I'm like, oh my god, all these things I said,

487
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? But how do you think about

488
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: all of that?

489
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 3: Like, you know, did you choose to have your kids

490
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 3: on not on what parameters to around it a little bit?

491
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: Do you explain it? Like, how did you explain it

492
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 1: to your kids?

493
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 5: Well, we had a very open conversation like mom and

494
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 5: dad are going to be on a show. It shows

495
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 5: our life, but mostly my life with some friends and

496
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 5: my career, and if do you guys want to be

497
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 5: on it?

498
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: Do you not want to be on it?

499
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 5: Some days, like Levi and Leila came home once, my

500
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 5: two older ones and they were like what in the

501
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 5: world Mom, Like you're filming and why aren't they Mike

502
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 5: and mea we were.

503
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: Like, oh all right, stop.

504
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 5: So like some and then one day leave I was

505
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 5: like I don't want to do this scene, like I'm

506
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 5: not going to and we were like, okay, no problem.

507
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: We went to his room.

508
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 3: So I think like giving them control over their own

509
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 3: lives it was important during the whole experience, but just

510
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: being honest with them, like Mommy's on a show, showing

511
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: them clips like I'm not going to show them the

512
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: whole thing because we do talk a lot about sex, so.

513
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: Quite prepared for those conversations. But but you know what,

514
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: it's something about it is somewhat like freeing and liberating

515
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: for me at least, because it is a big deal.

516
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 5: I am exposing a lot of my life. I am

517
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 5: opening the doors basically for America to see my life,

518
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 5: my relationship, my career. But also like I feel good

519
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 5: where I am, you know, and and if I screw

520
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 5: up and if I say the wrong thing, like I

521
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 5: said the wrong thing, I mean I'm not perfect.

522
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean probably do you need to be a

523
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 3: secure person to be able to go into this because

524
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: like at this point, like we kind of know what

525
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 3: we're signing up for.

526
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, by opening ourselves up that there's so much.

527
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 3: Scrutiny, Yeah, from the public, and you know a lot

528
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 3: of what ends up driving a lot of the ratings.

529
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 3: Niche is conflict, right, and there is that.

530
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: There certainly is conflict. There is that.

531
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Speaker 3: I mean, did you have a kind of comfortable level

532
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 3: with conflict going into it?

533
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 1: Like I know some people kind of shy away or

534
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: like I'm.

535
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 5: Very straightforward, very like almost fault yeah, Like and if

536
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 5: there's a problem, I'm like, well, why don't we just

537
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 5: address it and move on? Like I don't understand the

538
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 5: harping or you know, they like talking about it with

539
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 5: other people and being like just.

540
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: Say it, what the problem is, resolve it or don't

541
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: you know?

542
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 5: Like either way, Like you can make a decision right,

543
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 5: Like there was one conflict I got in with someone

544
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 5: that was sort of like you know, people were like, well,

545
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 5: why aren't you more mad? And this and that, and

546
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 5: it's like, well, I could decide to be more mad,

547
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 5: but like, who does that hurt?

548
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: It hurts me, Like I don't need to be so angry.

549
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: This is what happened, and I'm deciding to move on

550
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: from it. Or I could also decide not to. But

551
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: it's like, what's the point in the I don't know.

552
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: That's just me.

553
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 5: I don't I'm also one of five. I'm used to

554
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 5: like getting into conflict. Like we've gotten into many, many things,

555
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 5: and typically we move on from them.

556
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of what you do with a

557
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: big family. So I'm just used to it.

558
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you feel like you're getting out of this

559
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 3: experience what you had hoped? I don't know yet because

560
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 3: we haven't aired I think, but I think it's really

561
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: cool to put yourself in a situation. Maybe that's why

562
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 3: I like traveling so much, that there's like an unknown factor,

563
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: you know, Like I was saying this to Abe, I

564
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 3: feel like I just like when I started, when we

565
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: started filming, I was like, I feel like I entered

566
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 3: into another universe. Like so long are the days where

567
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: it's like school drop off, you know, meeting at one

568
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: it's like no scheduled like filming, you know, like if

569
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 3: something occurs with somebody else on the cast, then it's like, Okay,

570
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: now we have to add another scene. So it's very

571
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: interesting and it's such a different day to day experience,

572
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: and I thought it was cool to like be able

573
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: to experience something that different from my normal life.

574
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: It's funny.

575
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: I do feel like I'm in a point in my

576
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: life now where I'm running towards things that I don't

577
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 3: know because I want to have different kinds of yea.

578
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 3: Up until this point, I've spent so much of my

579
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: life thinking about creating predictability and like defining who I am,

580
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: like really getting good at things that I think I'm

581
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: good at, And now I'm actually doing the opposite right,

582
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: So I kind of feel like it's what you're describing it.

583
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: I want to just try something different. It's cool, Like

584
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: there's not another word I can think like, it's just

585
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: a very interesting way to live where it's like, here

586
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: I am starting this new project and I don't have

587
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: control over this project.

588
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 5: And I'm also I'm very type A like. Before this,

589
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 5: I'm controlling. I'm type A like I know how to

590
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 5: run my business, but going into this it's I don't

591
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 5: have control. So cool, It's just a very different way

592
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 5: of life. How did you manage that timing like with

593
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 5: having to I mean.

594
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: It's always difficult. Yeah, it's a big book of time, right,

595
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: It's very difficult for me. It was really really hard.

596
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 3: But you know once you get it through your head

597
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 3: that you will not have control over time and you

598
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: just have to go with the flow and you cannot

599
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: schedule the way you scheduled before the show started.

600
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: That's when things get easier, believe it or not.

601
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 5: It's like you kind of let your clients know I

602
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 5: may not be available on these dates.

603
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: You know, please speak to this person instead, and then

604
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: things just get easier because you know how to manage

605
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: their expectations.

606
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 3: You're not like I'll be there on the call and

607
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: then you can't take the call, and then you feel

608
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: like an asshole. You know, I would imagine that also

609
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: happened with personal relationships like friendships, that like, if you

610
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: have to spend a bulk amount of time with a

611
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: certain group of people, that kind of naturally cuts out

612
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: the time I said, I have such limited time with

613
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: my friends in the first place, kind of cuts out

614
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 3: the amount of time you'd have for like the other

615
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: people in your lives.

616
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 5: I'd say, I am feel very very very blessed and

617
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 5: very grateful that I have the most incredible friends who

618
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: have just been like so supportive. Like I I'm still

619
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 5: best friends with my high school friends, believe it or not,

620
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 5: and like a lot of my college friends, we don't

621
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 5: have to speak all the time for us to have

622
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 5: the exact same friendship and the exact same relationship. Those

623
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 5: are the friends I think that really matter because they,

624
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 5: I mean, they got it. They were like, Okay, we

625
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 5: know she's doing this, and no one really like said

626
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 5: anything aside from we're so excited for you, like wooh,

627
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 5: how's it going? You know here and there. And then

628
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 5: as soon as like I had the time again, the

629
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 5: first people I called were, you know, we're my close friends,

630
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 5: and so I feel like it was I mean, it

631
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 5: was it was hard to like make birthday parties right.

632
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 5: Sure it was hard to like go to you know,

633
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 5: dinners that were planned with girlfriends and stuff like that,

634
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 5: but I think everyone was really understanding.

635
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: So I do feel very lucky of the friends that

636
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: I have. Who in the cat did you have a

637
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 3: relationship with beforehand?

638
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: I had a relationship with Si, with Uba, I knew Jemma.

639
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: I think it's so.

640
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: Interesting looking at again, like being New Yorkers and looking

641
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: at you guys actually live.

642
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: In all different neighborhoods. Isn't that cool?

643
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: Because I do feel like people tend to get very

644
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: locally focused in the city and like only socialized with

645
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: the people that are kind of in their neighborhoods.

646
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 5: Well, say, actually lives very close to me, like Tribeca

647
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 5: and Brooklyn, especially that part of Brooklyn are like, I mean,

648
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 5: she's like ten minutes in a cab.

649
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: It's so easy. But yeah, I know what you mean.

650
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: It is cool that we're in all these different areas.

651
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: So did you have close relationships with them before or

652
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: it was more like you this was the closest time

653
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: you had spent together. Well, with the girls that I mentioned,

654
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: I mean we ran in the same circle. Si and

655
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: I most mostly have like very common friends and uber

656
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 3: like and I just like fell in love when we

657
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: first met.

658
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, we definitely spent the most time together on

659
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: the show for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's actually funny.

660
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: Last summer, I had a different friend who was in

661
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: one of the alternate casts because there were like a

662
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 3: couple of different groups.

663
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: Don't even know, I feel like I'm breaking news now.

664
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: There were like a couple of different groups that they

665
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: were talking to, and I have a friend.

666
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: Well, don't worry you won, I didn't know. I didn't

667
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: know this. Oh oh oh, okay, Well I have a

668
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: friend who was one of the other ones. What one

669
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: was that? I mean, there wasn't a name for it.

670
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: There was just like a couple of different groups of

671
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: people that they were talking to to see who like

672
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 3: they did screen groups of friends.

673
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, ooh, Jesse, oh yes.

674
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: Well you guys went out, so clearly I was gonna ask,

675
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: what do you think it was about the group that

676
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: that one?

677
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: Honestly, we are hysterical. I am telling you.

678
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 5: I watched some of the episodes, not many, but I

679
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 5: tell you, I mean like crying, laughing, like also, when

680
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 5: we get together, it's just like we riff on each other,

681
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: you know what, you know, friends that you have that

682
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 5: like you go out and it's just like this one

683
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 5: comes back with that retort and this response, and everyone's

684
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: just like laughing and it's funny, and it's like we're

685
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 5: all really witty, we all like get the point, some

686
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 5: of us, most of us, and it's fun.

687
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: We have fun together. It's just like fun moments.

688
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: I feel like you're describing what every like group of

689
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: friends now thinks to themselves. I was editing the episode

690
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: that we're putting out next week is with a very

691
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: old friend of mine, and she was saying, how like

692
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: the trend now of like group of friends, like, God,

693
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: we're so funny, we.

694
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Should be a podcast.

695
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: Really, Like that's what I feel like you're describing that, Like, God,

696
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: we're so funny, we should be a show, and now

697
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: everybody will love it.

698
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see people like it.

699
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: It feels also very I hate to say it because

700
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: it's trite, but Sex and the City, like everyone is

701
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 5: one of those characters in a sense.

702
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we're very individual, but we're great

703
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: as a group.

704
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that show like growing up in the city,

705
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: that Sex and City really did revolutionize the way that

706
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: women socialize.

707
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: Like I have a very specific memory. I watched it

708
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: like crazy, and I felt very connected to it.

709
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I was obviously we're you are, but

710
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: we were like, yes, like that could be our lives.

711
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Do you think that now we'll see you guys in

712
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: the show?

713
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 5: I really hope so, because I think it's a healthier

714
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 5: not that Housewives isn't healthy, but you know, there's a

715
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 5: lot of conflict and resolution, there are healthy relationships, there's

716
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: a lot of fun, and there's also like women with

717
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 5: balancing careers and kids and a lot going on while

718
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 5: still like you know, spending time with their friends and

719
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 5: having those healthy friendships as well.

720
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot.

721
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 5: That we're giving younger women, you know, and also women

722
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 5: of our age that just want to relate and like,

723
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 5: you know, even like there was there. I remember the

724
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 5: scene when we were filming it, my son like but

725
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 5: like starts like peeing.

726
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be on camera,

727
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: but like he just starts peeing, and I'm like, oh

728
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: my god, you know, but this is life. It happens.

729
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: I was potty training and he was being everywhere you know.

730
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: Before this, I was running errands with my three year

731
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: olds in town and she looks over at me and

732
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: she's like, I have to go to the potty.

733
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: And usually when she says that, it means she already did.

734
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh good, I'm standing in them

735
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: all relax on main Street and she probably just peede

736
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: on the ground.

737
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: She did not, fortunately, but I was like, I.

738
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: Know where this is going to end, with me like

739
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: throwing my purse over it and hoping that I.

740
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 1: Can stop it.

741
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

742
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 5: I know, it's like a whole thing. It's not easy

743
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 5: to potty train, but it's it's good.

744
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: For people to be able to relate to it. No,

745
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: it's very relatable. It's relatable.

746
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: And I do feel like that's been sort of a

747
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: general commentary of like the like the hardcore Bravo fans

748
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: that a lot of these groups that have been on

749
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: Housewives shows for a long time are getting really serious

750
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: and kind of dark, and like they're into it and

751
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: they want to keep following it and they feel very invested,

752
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: but like they're looking for something a little lighter, because

753
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: like it's getting so deep and so dark.

754
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're hoping that this is going to do that.

755
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: I definitely think that. I think this definitely does that.

756
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just not dark, yeah, like there, and

757
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 5: I think a lot of us are just I mean,

758
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say everyone, but I think most of us are.

759
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 5: So I don't want to say anything negative because I

760
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 5: don't want to like shit on anyone else. But I

761
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 5: think we're just in places in our lives where with

762
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: so much going on that we're not.

763
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: Getting like so in the weeds, in like such a

764
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: dark space with each other, you know what I mean,

765
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: Like we just don't have the time for that, you know,

766
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: to be like ah, like in our beds, like so

767
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: upset angry in Twitter and all that, like we're busy

768
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: right exactly, Like I can't just like be like precipitating

769
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: over like the thing that we had just talked about,

770
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: or like whatever it is to get like super dark

771
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: and like.

772
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: These writing holes. Like everyone's like, did you reread it?

773
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: What it said? I'm like, I don't even I don't

774
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: know how to read it.

775
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 5: I should, but I don't know how. I don't have Twitter,

776
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: like I have it, but I don't do anything on it.

777
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: So I feel like another piece of that is like

778
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: actually the spousal relationships that it does feel like over

779
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: the years, a number of people have chosen to go on,

780
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: whether it's Housewives or a different show, because they actually

781
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: wanted to get financial security, to leave their partners, or

782
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: to expose it, or you know, something along those Now.

783
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: I never thought about that, but I've been hearing that

784
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: a lot. It's very interesting. I think it's interesting.

785
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's an interesting take on the

786
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: new feminism that like, if you don't have your own

787
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: income stream, then maybe exposing your partner.

788
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: And getting your own platform.

789
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: It seems like a real painful way to do it,

790
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: like to expose it to America into the world.

791
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: But I was making more money before I got on

792
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: the show. I swear to that. Is that gonna feel

793
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: worth it? Like, I mean, really, that's very interesting.

794
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: I think there is something empowering for a lot of

795
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: women who don't have an income stream to be able

796
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: to like create a character and in themselves, you know,

797
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: which is really just their true self.

798
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: You really can't fake it on these shows. That's another

799
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: you just can't.

800
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: The minute you start being faked, the minute you look

801
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: like a version of yourself that is not real, and

802
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: the fans and the viewers pick up on it in

803
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: five seconds. So I think it's really interesting when you

804
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: see because I've seen these shows where like people start

805
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: to shift and act a certain way and feel it immediately.

806
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: But yeah, that is a really interesting way to put it.

807
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: And yeah, I could definitely see that. I could definitely

808
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 5: see that.

809
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: I think it's it sort of goes along with the

810
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: debate about like what is feminist in appearance now, like

811
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: is it still feminists to have all of the.

812
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Implants and surgery is to look the way you want

813
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: or not?

814
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 5: In my book, but I don't. I respect it. It's

815
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 5: so funny because I really I breastfed three kids. Like

816
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 5: I need to get a boob lift. Okay, I have

817
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 5: no problem in saying it.

818
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: By the way, I think you just heard my producer

819
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: laughing in the back of this, because that's the conversation

820
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: we had at dinner. I last night, at dinner, I

821
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 3: compared my baby two long tubes socks.

822
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I joke about it. I'm like pancakes

823
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: cleaning the floor. Anybody knew, like a mop anihilate, Like

824
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: that's me. Okay, It's ridiculous. I mean, I probably shouldn't

825
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: have breastfed for as long as I did. But I

826
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: loved it, you know, but it ruined my boobs. I

827
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: have double d's doubles. I'm now a beak. I have

828
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: tiniest book. Okay, that's the best, the biggest. It's crazy.

829
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: I was like known for my big boobs and I

830
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: have tiny boobs now.

831
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: I had a breast reduction before I had kids, so

832
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: I had like giant boobs and now I just sort

833
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: of have empty ones like exactly they're looking so everyone

834
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: to Everyone keeps telling me, like, you're going to have

835
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: to get an implant, but I.

836
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Really don't want to. I want to not want to. Yeah,

837
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: and I don't think I will. I mean, I don't.

838
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: I know that everyone's going to like meeting doctors or

839
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: probably try to encourage me to do it, but whatever.

840
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: So it won't be a perfect boob, but it'll be

841
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: higher than now, higher than my meeting my belly buttons

842
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: exactly exactly.

843
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, I'm I'm very much like into looking

844
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 5: like yourself. I don't judge anyone who wants to have

845
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 5: plastic surgery or whatever. I think it's fine. It's all

846
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 5: about how you feel at the end of the day,

847
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter what you're doing. But for me personally,

848
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 5: I just like looking like myself and I think it's

849
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: okay to age, Like I don't mind those things.

850
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: Where's the line for you when you think about where

851
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: your lines are, like what you open up, like whether

852
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: it's on social media, whether it's on Ronnie, Like if

853
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: you did say the show continues on, if you continue

854
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: on with it, if you did decide to go through

855
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: a surgery like that, Oh, I would you.

856
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: Do it on the show? I would totally show it.

857
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: I would totally. That doesn't bother me at all. Have

858
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: you decided where lines are for you, I'd say, Like

859
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: with my family, Like with my kids, like if anything

860
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: felt too personal with them, like if they were I

861
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: don't know, if they were like having an issue with

862
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 1: a friend or like something at school, Like I would

863
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: never want their lives because they didn't sign up for

864
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: this at the end of the day. Same with my husband,

865
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: like if he ever.

866
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: Felt like something was really personal for him and he

867
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 3: didn't want to film, and I would never ask him to, Like, yeah,

868
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: hard stuff.

869
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: For me, I'm.

870
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 5: Very open, Like I've always been just a very open person.

871
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 5: I don't have that much that I feel like I

872
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 5: wouldn't share. I don't know why, I just I don't know.

873
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the it's like lack of filter,

874
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: maybe because I think it is. Yeah, I'm just like,

875
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, let's go, oh, let's put it all out there.

876
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 5: I feel like, look, I think once you anybody can

877
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 5: get to this place whereas you know, if you're okay

878
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 5: with not being perfect all the time, with not like

879
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 5: having the right story, with people having backlash, and look,

880
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 5: granted I have not gone through probably the backlash that

881
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 5: I will go through in the upcoming season, so I

882
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 5: don't really know what to expect.

883
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how that's going to feel.

884
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 5: But I'm also going into it knowing that it exists

885
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 5: and that I'm okay with it. So I think if you,

886
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 5: if you have that kind of mindset, like what could

887
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 5: really go wrong in a sense, you know? I mean,

888
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: of course, I'm sure there will be times where I'm like, shit,

889
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: I WI shouldn't say that, or damn, like it sucks

890
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 5: that people see me this way. But I know who

891
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: I am, I know what my intentions are. I know

892
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 5: I'm a good person. I care about my friends, and

893
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: family and the viewers. To be honest, I care about

894
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: all of them because I want them to be encouraged

895
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: by the show and encouraged by us and feel like

896
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: for women to feel good and even relationships, Like I

897
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 5: love showing my relationship because knock on wood, we're not again,

898
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 5: we're not perfect.

899
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: We're fight in front of our kids apparently, but you apologize,

900
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: We apologize, and we love each other and we have

901
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: like mutual respect, which I think oftentimes on these shows

902
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: you don't always see. You see a lot of.

903
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 5: Women who don't seem to be respected by their husbands,

904
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 5: and it's disappointing to watch. And I think that's an.

905
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: Encouraging theme where you get to see a husband who

906
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: really like supports their wives. I think all of our

907
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: husbands are like that on the show, to be honest,

908
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: that's gray of us have husbands that really promote us

909
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: and care about us and want us to do the best.

910
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: We do. Need to see more of that. That's great.

911
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think not in terms of like

912
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: the storylines of that are going to come out, but

913
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: by becoming more public and becoming I guess associated with

914
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: reality TV in general, Like, what do you think are

915
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: like the best case and worst case scenarios for you.

916
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: The best case scenario is that everyone loves me, and

917
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

918
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: I don't really know. That's a good question. I have

919
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: to think that one through.

920
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: I mean, worst case scenario is that someone in my

921
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: family would be upset or hurt, like even my siblings

922
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: because they're on the show a little bit by anything

923
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: I said that would be really work, that would crush me.

924
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: I would never want to hurt like my close friends

925
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: or family in any sort of way.

926
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: Best case would be that people are excited about what

927
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: I have to offer, that women are inspired, and that

928
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: makes me emotional to even say, honestly inspired to be mothers.

929
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 5: And this is something that I've struggled with for years,

930
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: understanding that women are constantly giving up their careers once

931
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 5: they have kids. And I'm just so not that type

932
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 5: of person.

933
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: And I don't judge people giving up their careers because

934
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: I totally understand why you'd want to spend every minute

935
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: with your kids, but they end up going to school.

936
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: And then what are you left with?

937
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 5: You know, and I really want to know inspire women

938
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 5: to continue with their career path because I think it's

939
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 5: so hell healthy, it's healthy for your marriage, it's healthy

940
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 5: for your kids.

941
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: I think it's healthy for you know, your own mind.

942
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the hard part where people and I

943
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: mean some people just leave the workforce that they want to,

944
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: but I think.

945
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: And I get that, and I don't judge that.

946
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think the place that it becomes hard

947
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: is when your career path doesn't match up with the

948
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 3: amount of bandwidth.

949
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: That you have. That was my problem.

950
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: So I didn't even see a way not just to

951
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 3: stay in my own job, but to stay in my field,

952
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 3: because my field was twenty four to seven, Like there's

953
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: no a little bit control your own schedule version.

954
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: Of being a political strategist, like you have to be.

955
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: That's you know, And what's so unbelievable to me about

956
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: it and not that And I don't know what that

957
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: kind of career is like because obviously mine's way more flexible.

958
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 3: But like men don't have this issue. Yeah for the

959
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: most part, you know, maybe some, but for the most part,

960
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: women are the ones expected.

961
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, we have to birth the child,

962
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 5: we have to feed the child, we have to nourish it.

963
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: But it's like all on us. And then it's then

964
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 5: what then your husband gets to have this bus career

965
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 5: and then you're like stuck like taking care of kids,

966
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 5: and then one day they're ten and you're like, shit,

967
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 5: I have nothing to do all day, Like what am

968
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 5: I going to do?

969
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

970
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: So I honestly very I'm very impressed with your podcast

971
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: because I think it's so important for women to think

972
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: about pivoting, like how do I turn my original career

973
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: into something that works for me as a mother?

974
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: That's been the piece that is the most fulfilling for me.

975
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: And having these conversations of being able to see because

976
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: I think that people sometimes write off their previous experience

977
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: and saying, oh, well, it's not related to the thing

978
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about doing, or there's no way to translate

979
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: those skills, or this doesn't translate. But to be able

980
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: to get into the headspace where you can see, yeah,

981
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: it might not be the same field, it might not

982
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: even be the same terms, but the skills that I

983
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: built are transferable. We live in a society now where

984
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: there's social media, there's YouTube, Like there's so much access

985
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: to people and to sell things that you can do

986
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: and create in a different way than it ever was before.

987
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 5: Like maybe you're good at baking, maybe you want to

988
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 5: like have a YouTube channel on baking and then you

989
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 5: see where it goes. It's better than not trying anything, right,

990
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 5: if you're staying at home anyway. I mean, they're just

991
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 5: like all, there's all these opportunities now. But I mean again,

992
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 5: I think being a mother full time is probably way

993
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 5: harder than what I do.

994
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: It's too hard to be I'm going to do it

995
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: too hard, Like I just can't deal. I just cannot deal. Yeah,

996
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: that's way. I respect it. I really respect it.

997
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: And I also feel like it's made me less judgmental

998
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: that when I before I had kids, I was very

999
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: judgmental of women who didn't prioritize their careers and didn't

1000
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: continue to work after they had kids. Like I have

1001
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: this very specific memory of seeing Nicole Wallace being President

1002
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: Bush's White House Press secretary and leaving after a year

1003
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: and saying that it was for personal reasons, and I

1004
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 3: remember thinking, how could she do that, Like she's betraying

1005
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: all of us, all of us women, Like she is

1006
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: the White House press secretary. How could she leave after

1007
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: a year and do it for personal reasons? And now

1008
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: I understand it more and I'm less judgmental, and I

1009
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: have a greater respect for the women men who do

1010
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 3: just First of all, they're very busy. It's really a lot,

1011
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 3: oh my god. And they utilize their skills in different ways.

1012
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I think I never really understood it. Yeah,

1013
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: Like now I really do, especially as your kids grow

1014
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: up and you have to like have these hard conversations

1015
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: with them, you know, Like I'm at that age where

1016
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: my son is eight and a half and we have

1017
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: to have conversations about feelings and friendships and using his

1018
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: iPad and not. Like he has like group chats like

1019
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: FaceTime with like four different boys, and one of the

1020
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: boys was cursing a lot. Actually it was very scary,

1021
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: like bad words, like words, not just like fucking shit

1022
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: like bad words. And I'm like, okay, these are not

1023
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: And you know, that's a skill and I don't have it,

1024
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: so like I'm trying to figure out how to like

1025
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: have that skill.

1026
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: But I mean, listen, mothers, stay at home moms, I

1027
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 5: respect you tremendously.

1028
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, one of the things that I think

1029
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 3: about a lot with my son is how to raise

1030
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: a good sensitive boy who become a good sensitive man,

1031
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: Like right now. He is sensitive and he always has

1032
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: been sensitive. And I don't think that we have good

1033
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: models or even language for how we should be raising

1034
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: the kind of men that we want to see. Like

1035
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: we talk a lot about about like how do rethink it?

1036
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: And you know, like how to back up, but like

1037
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: starting from the beginning, is that something that you've addressed

1038
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 3: with your son.

1039
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: I grew up with a very very very warm Israeli

1040
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: father that hugged me and kissed me.

1041
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 5: To this day, he like smooches my face. I'm like,

1042
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: I'm not four. You have to stop like he does

1043
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 5: it on camera.

1044
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: But I remember, and I still like believe this that

1045
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: he would always say all you need is love. You

1046
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: need nothing else. You could have nothing, but if you

1047
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: have love, that's everything. So I think like if you

1048
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: just like overwhelmingly love your kids and like smother them,

1049
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: it keeps them grounded and sensitive and in a way

1050
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: that carries through. I really believe that as cheesy as

1051
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: it sounds, as cheesy as it sounds, you find that

1052
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: in your family that the boys are still able to

1053
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: access that sensitive So absolutely they're super loving, they're super caring.

1054
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: My dad was just like such like a warm, teddy bear, loving,

1055
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 1: loving man. And they're all sweetest boys. You know, they're

1056
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: really like amazing. If you need them, they'll be there

1057
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: in two seconds. And they're not perfect obviously, but they're

1058
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 1: like they're just great. They're great men. I'm very proud

1059
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: of my brothers. So sweet, they're great. But I really

1060
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: believe that.

1061
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: I really believe that as a parent, Like, and I

1062
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: think we're also society now, especially where there's like also

1063
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: on Instagram or all these targeted things like don't yell

1064
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: your kids, don't put them in.

1065
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: A time out, don't do this, You're going to damage

1066
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: your kids. Do you get those targets? Yeah, I mean

1067
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: I do put my kids in time out.

1068
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 5: I mean true, Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. But

1069
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 5: however you do things is how you do them. And

1070
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 5: as long as you keep showing your kids, I think

1071
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 5: like love and affection and those things that are important

1072
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 5: for them for their soul, whatever whatever tactic you use

1073
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 5: to get them to like stop climbing up your pantry

1074
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 5: is okay.

1075
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: Right, No, I totally agree with you.

1076
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: I think that there's I think there's like we are

1077
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: raising the first generation where there's gonna be like a

1078
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: little bit of a confusion, Like I do believe in

1079
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: some version of gentle parenting for some children. Yeah, like

1080
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: in fact, some of my own children and some of

1081
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: my own children, it does not work with right but

1082
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: also holding high standards and holding them accountable for their actions.

1083
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: Like I worry that we're a little bit over correcting

1084
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: and gentle parenting so that we're not holding children accountable

1085
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: for their actions.

1086
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you that it depends on the kids. Yeah, absolutely.

1087
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: That being said, like it's not a free for all.

1088
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: There are rules, and the minute that they decide that

1089
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: there aren't, or they're taught that there aren't, they will

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Speaker 1: not follow rules for I think for the rest.

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Speaker 3: Of their lab I know that, Like everything is for

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Speaker 3: negotiation nothing. Yeah that and you know a teacher taught

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Speaker 3: me this actually this year where my son is a negotiator,

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Speaker 3: like big time, all my kids are, but my older son,

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Speaker 3: I mean he learns.

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Speaker 1: It from us, from both negotiating. I was aware, do

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Speaker 1: they possibly?

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Speaker 5: I mean all we do is negotiate with each other, abe,

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Speaker 5: and I like, I'll be like, can I have a

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Speaker 5: massage people on my back?

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Speaker 1: Is? So what am I gonna get?

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Speaker 3: Everything is a negotiation, But one of the teachers who

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Speaker 3: were talking about and they were like, you know, LEVI say,

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Speaker 3: he's not like having trouble listening, but like a couple

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Speaker 3: of things here and there have happened. They're like, you know,

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Speaker 3: we find that strong boundaries work with him.

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Speaker 1: If you say no, just stay, stay with it, stay

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Speaker 1: with the no, do not shift, do not say if

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Speaker 1: he does this, you said no the first time and

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Speaker 1: that's it.

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Speaker 5: And I and I put it into practice in it

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Speaker 5: like changed him. Yeah, it changed him, Like I say

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Speaker 5: no and that's it.

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Speaker 1: He moves on. Yeah, totally. And I think it really

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Speaker 1: does depend on the kid.

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Speaker 3: Like I feel like, yeah, with my older two, they're

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Speaker 3: all a little bit negotiators, but they understand like Okay,

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Speaker 3: I think I see that you've had a well formed

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Speaker 3: argument here, Like I'm willing to go for it. With

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Speaker 3: my third one, she will just push every boundary possible

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Speaker 3: and so no needs to be now. Yeah, otherwise I'll

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Speaker 3: regret it for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting. Yeah, that's that's another I think that's.

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Speaker 3: A really important tip for parents, Like they're not all

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Speaker 3: the same, you know, like you have to treat each

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Speaker 3: one as the individual that they are, yeah, And I

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Speaker 3: explain it to my other kids, So why can that

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Speaker 3: one do something when this one? And I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: you don't listen so much, so that's why you're a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a better listener.

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Speaker 1: Then I can trust you are, yeah. And also being honest,

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Speaker 1: like some of my kids are more honest than others.

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Speaker 1: If you're more honest, you'll get more. Yeah, we've started

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Speaker 1: to enter that phase too.

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Speaker 3: Just to wrap up, what is one thing We're going

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Speaker 3: to do a big overview here, okay, but what is

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Speaker 3: one thing that you think that at the time you

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Speaker 3: saw it's like a real negative, a kind of a

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Speaker 3: low point, and you weren't sure how you were going

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Speaker 3: to get out of it, and that now in retrospect

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Speaker 3: you see that it really launched you.

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Speaker 5: My failing handbag business. There you go. It was the hardest.

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Speaker 5: People don't know this about us. Nobody asks. I feel

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Speaker 5: like people assume that I am like I mean, they

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Speaker 5: say this on the show too, Like then I'm like

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Speaker 5: this trust fund kid, and like everything's perfect. I went

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Speaker 5: through a really hard time where I started a fashion

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Speaker 5: business and then my husband left his firm and he

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Speaker 5: worked there, very big firm at the time to start

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Speaker 5: it with me, and we had it. It was going

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Speaker 5: for years and years, and it was always like we

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Speaker 5: were always like catching up. Fashion business is so incredibly hard.

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Speaker 5: We were making leather handbags like, we didn't have anyone

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Speaker 5: behind us. We didn't know what a strategic investor was like.

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Speaker 5: We didn't know anything back then. But it got to

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Speaker 5: a point where our car got literally repossessed, like I

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Speaker 5: saw it taken like we couldn't afford the car like

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Speaker 5: it like, and we were too proud to go to

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Speaker 5: our parents and they did help us a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But weren't going to like keep asking for help. But

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Speaker 3: we put ourselves in that position, so we had to

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Speaker 3: crawl out of it. And I remember there were certain

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Speaker 3: times where when we were going through it, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I'll never get out of this, but I knew that

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Speaker 3: I would, and.

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Speaker 1: He was very positive, always so positive.

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Speaker 3: But it was the lowest part of my life, yet

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Speaker 3: somehow it turned into the most incredible experience ever. From that,

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Speaker 3: I started my design build firm because I knew how

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Speaker 3: to like market do market research and and design really

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Speaker 3: you know, a trend forecast from my history and fashion.

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Speaker 3: And my husband started his law firm that did incredibly,

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Speaker 3: incredibly well, and we just learned how to be business owners.

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Speaker 3: It was like the most we always joke was the

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Speaker 3: most expensive.

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Speaker 5: Degree that we ever got, because we both have, you know,

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Speaker 5: degrees after we went to college, but hardest experience.

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Speaker 1: Best thing we ever learned. Do you think there was

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Speaker 1: a change in perspective for you? Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I knew what it felt like for so many Americans

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Speaker 5: to go through failing businesses. I understood what it felt

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Speaker 5: like to have children and not know if you could

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Speaker 5: like pay the bills. Like I never thought I would

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Speaker 5: be in that position. I come from a comfortable family and.

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Speaker 1: So does Abe. But we saw what that was like,

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Speaker 1: and it's incredibly hard, you know.

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Speaker 5: And I think having friendships, having people to talk to

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Speaker 5: about it, you know, being able to like to fall

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Speaker 5: back on the people that were closest to us really

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Speaker 5: got us through.

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Speaker 1: And having each other got us through. But also, more

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Speaker 1: than anything, just knowing that you would get through.

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Speaker 5: Inside of myself, I knew somewhere beneath it all that

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Speaker 5: I would get through it, and I think it gave

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Speaker 5: me the courage to actually like crawl out of the

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Speaker 5: hole we were in.

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Speaker 1: What have we not covered that we should. I think

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Speaker 1: we've covered a lot. You better watch the show July

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Speaker 1: sixteenth on the premiere. Thank you so much, Erin for

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Speaker 1: coming on with us. Been really fun, really really fun.

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