1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Edward Lawrence Chafflin was a prospector and US Army scout 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: stationed in Arizona in the eighteen seventies. Back then, many 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: folks were seeking the promise of silver ore in the area, 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: but ed Sheefflin was described as much more determined and 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: much more rugged than the rest. In eighteen seventy six, 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: David P. Lansing of Phoenix, Arizona described Chefflin as about 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: the strangest specimen of human flesh I ever saw. He 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: was six ft two inches tall and had black hair 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: that hung several inches below his shoulders, and a beard 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: that had not been trimmed or combed for so long 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: a time that it was a mass of unkempt knots 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: and mats. He wore clothing piece and patched from deer skins, 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: corduroy and flannel, and his hat was originally a slouch 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: hat that had been pieced with rabbit skin until very 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: little of the original felt remained. But something tells me 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: this look didn't stick with Ed for very long. Despite 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: the dangers. Ed would often go out on expeditions in 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: search for or His home base was camp with Chaka. 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Soldiers would often ask him about his efforts. Ed consistently 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: responded with hope and determinations, but apparently surrounded by a 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: bunch of pessimists. Those soldiers would tell him you'll find something, 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: You'll find your tombstone, as so many others have before. 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: Well fatefully, on August one, eight seventy seven, Chefflin did 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: find his tombstone, but probably not like anyone expected. I'm 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: Amy Bruney and this is haunted road. The San Pedro 28 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 1: Valley had been the destination for intrepid miners and those 29 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: seeking work prior to the eighteen seventies, but our Ed 30 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: Chefflin found something that would be a game changer. On 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: August first, eighteen seventy seven, Ed struck silver and appropriately 32 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: dubbed his new mine tombstone. He found yet another mine 33 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: nearby that he christened the graveyard. Ed's name for his 34 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: silver mine. Carried Over is the name for the settlement 35 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: founded near the site, fueled by a silver rush that 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: attracted fortune hunters to the new town. When miners came 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: to town, they didn't just bring their supplies and hopes. 38 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: They ushered in a need for civil structures, food, education 39 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: for growing families, and entertainment. The town grew significantly into 40 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: the mid eighteen eighties as the local mines produced a 41 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: staggering forty to eighty five million dollars in silver. The 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: largest productive silver mine district in Arizona, its population grew 43 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: from one hundred to around fourteen thousand in less than 44 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: seven years. Tombstone's residence had access to a school, a 45 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: handful of church ches, a bowling alley, ice cream shop, 46 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: and most notably, one hundred ten saloons, fourteen gambling halls, 47 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: and numerous dance halls and brothels. Over seven thousand folks 48 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: answered the promising call of silver by the eighteen eighties, 49 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: and the famous art brothers Wyatt, Virgil and Morgan were 50 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: among them. Shortly after their friend Doc Holiday, a former 51 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: dentist from Georgia, turned to gambler and gunfighter followed suit. 52 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Virgil took on the roll of Tombstones Marshal in eighteen eighty. 53 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: But the rb faction wasn't solely committed to upholding the law. 54 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: They had income that was unrelated with steaks and mines 55 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: and saloons, and occasional work as bartenders and private security. 56 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: There was a class division among Tombstone residents and that 57 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: culminated in numerous skirmishes and conflicts. But the most notable 58 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: occurred between the art Brothers and the Cowboys, a loosely 59 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: organized band about laws who were known cattle steelers. Tombstone 60 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: sits about thirty miles away from the Mexican border, and 61 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: at the time, the government of Mexico maintained a high 62 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: tax on imported tobacco, cattle, and alcohol. Cowboys gathered in 63 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: small groups in this liminal space and seemingly made a 64 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: lot of money from smuggling. They also brought a love 65 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: of drink and shooting to Tombstone, but they were allowed 66 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 1: to stay because they also brought a lot of money 67 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: to saloons, theaters, and of course, brothels. There were various 68 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: altercations that exacerbated the tense relationship of these two groups, 69 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: but the final straw was added in October when an 70 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: ordinance was passed in Tombstone prohibiting the carrying of weapons 71 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: in town. This riled the cowboys, who were used to 72 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: carrying their weapons wherever they pleased. On October, Doc Holiday 73 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: and Ike Clanton of the Cowboys were at the Alhambra 74 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: Saloon when they got into a fight. I'm almost positive 75 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: this started with Doc Holiday declaring I'm your huckleberry, but 76 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: this could be wishful thanking on my part. Cooler heads 77 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: temporarily prevailed. Holiday eventually headed home to his room in 78 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: a boarding house, but Clanton kept drinking and getting more 79 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: worked up. Virgil was still the marshal, which meant enforcement 80 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: of this unwelcome edict fell to him. But if there 81 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: was beef against Virgil, the whole RB Holiday group felt 82 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: the effects. Threats of this kind, though were commonplace, the 83 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: follow through wasn't, so no one, including Virgil Herb took 84 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: the threat from Clanton very seriously. The next day, around 85 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: nine in the morning, a policeman roused Virgil after just 86 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: a few hours of slumber to tell him that Ike 87 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Clanton was staggering around town, now armed and still drunk, 88 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: threatening to kill all the Art brothers and their friend 89 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: Dog Holiday on site. Initially unfazed, Virgil did get around 90 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: to disarming the very drunk Clanton before escorting him to 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: see a judge. After receiving a fine and being let go. Ike, infuriated, 92 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: sought out a group of five cowboys, including his brother Billy, 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: the mclory's, and went with them to Fremont Street. The 94 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: bolstered threats from the cowboys resulted in Virgil's quick deputizing 95 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: of his brothers and Doc. The sheriff tried to convince 96 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: the Herbs to back off, but they pressed on, finding 97 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: the Clantons and the mclory's in a lot near the 98 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: old Kindersley Corral. Thirty shots and thirty seconds later, Tom 99 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: and Frank McClory and Billie Clanton were dead in the dust. 100 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: Ike Clanton and Billy Claiborne had made a successful getaway 101 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: when the shooting began. The lawman all survived, but Whyatt 102 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 1: was the only one to remain unscathed. It wasn't clear 103 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: what side had fired the first shot, and the Herb 104 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: Holiday group was arrested and held in jail for about 105 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: a month. The hearing brought the result that the cowboys 106 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: were not unarmed, therefore closing out the case against the 107 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: Herbs and Holiday, but it was not the end of 108 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: the conflict. On December one, just two months after the shootout, 109 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: Virgil Earp was ambushed and maimed in a murder attempt 110 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: by the cowboys. It's believed that an apparition of Virgil 111 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: appears in this spot, but it never makes it across 112 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: the street. Morgan RB was the next target. In March 113 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: of eighteen eighty two, he was shot and killed by 114 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: a cowboy who aimed through a glass door of the 115 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: saloon Morgan was sitting in. The saloon was then called 116 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: Campbell and Hatch's Saloon, but is currently the Red Buffalo 117 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: Trading Company. It seems that Morgan is still frequenting the 118 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: place even in death, and has been said to even 119 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: help stock shelves. For these crimes, cowboys covered their own 120 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: with alibis and no charges were filed. Wyatt tried to 121 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: form a band to get justice, but didn't have much luck. 122 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: Wyatt left Arizona in eighteen eighty two without exacting his revenge. 123 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: After his death, the first biography of Wyatt Earp was 124 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: published in nineteen thirty one. It gave us a dramatic 125 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: telling of the shootout at the Okay Corral and other 126 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: events in RB's life that still color our understanding of 127 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: events in Tombstone. Even though the shootout occurred about six 128 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: buildings to the west of the Okay Corral. It's firmly 129 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: held that the latter is haunted by the spirits of 130 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: those slain cowboys. Several witnesses have reported seeing the fading 131 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: apparition of men dressed in cowboy attire, often appearing with 132 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: guns drawn, perhaps locked into a perpetual battle with the RBS. 133 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: Others have claimed to have felt numerous cold spots in 134 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: various areas of the Corral. One of the other most 135 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 1: haunted and storied spots in town is the Bird Cage Theater. 136 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: As someone who has visited here a few times, this 137 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: place has changed very little sincece heyday. It's like walking 138 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: into a time capsule. There's even still bullet holes in 139 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: the ceiling from especially rowdy nights. Established in the vein 140 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: of Chefflin Hall, a fine operatic venue, William and Lottie 141 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: Hutchinson hoped that their theater would draw respectable folks in Tombstone, 142 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: but money talks and the local population of lusty young 143 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: miners preferred body or types of entertainment, so the Hutchinson's 144 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: delivered in eighty two, just one year in the New 145 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: York Times referred to the bird Cage as the roughest, bodiest, 146 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: and most wicked night spot between Basin Street and the 147 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: Barbary Coast. Bird Cage certainly seems to refer to the 148 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: boxes attached to the ceiling where the women engaged in 149 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: sex work would host their companion and make good on 150 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: the exchange. But the women didn't do just that. They 151 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: also tended the bar and performed in a variety of shows. 152 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: Stage shows at the bird Cage started at nine pm 153 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: and continued until one am or so the next morning. 154 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: Waiter girls in short dresses with low cut necklines peddled 155 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: as many drinks as they could. Beer was just fifty 156 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: cents on the main floor and a dollar in the 157 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: curtain boxes. Skits, music acts, and comedy shows were all 158 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: featured and typically accentuated by bright clothing and short skirts. 159 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: Jokes were definitely of the naughty kind. In general, the 160 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: bird Cage was a rowdy place. It was the scene 161 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: of at least sixteen gun and knife fights over the years. 162 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: By the time the doors were shut permanently, there were 163 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: one hundred forty of those bullet holes in the walls 164 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: and ceilings that I told you about in their short 165 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 1: and bright outfits, women performed a popular act called the 166 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: Human Fly. Performers walked upside down on the ceiling over 167 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: the stage was specially outfitted shoes that had clamps on 168 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: them that fitted into holes board into the ceiling. At 169 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: least one of those performers fell to her death when 170 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: a clamp slipped, but there's not many details on that. 171 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: A very popular story connected to the bird Cage seems 172 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: dubious but is quite striking. The top lady at the 173 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: bird Cage was known as Margharita, and her supposed main 174 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: rival was Dirtie the gold Dollar from Crystal Palace, another brothel. 175 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Gertie had quite a committed customer in Billy mill Green. 176 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: Some even alleged that mill Green was Gertie's liven lover. Billy, 177 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: apparently with a different conception of loyalties, found himself in 178 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: the birdcage with the lovely Margharita in his lap. Gertie, 179 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: the gutsy gritty woman, also found herself in the bird cage, and, 180 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: as a witness of betrayal, grabbing a handful of Margharita's hair, 181 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: gold Dollar stabbed her with a double edged stiletto that 182 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: was stashed in her garter she hacked at Margharita's heart. 183 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: Margherita died before anyone could offer aid. Gertie and Billy left, 184 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: and she apparently discarded the weapon behind the theater. When 185 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: she was found, charges weren't filed because there was no 186 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: weapon on which to base them. Margherita's death was unresolved, 187 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: and her spirit supposedly haunts the bird Cage still. Then, 188 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: supposedly in nWo, when they excavated an old privy behind 189 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: the bird cage, the stiletto used by gold Dollar was found. 190 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: It seems rather convenient that the blade was found on 191 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: the centennial of the slaying, if it happened at all, 192 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: but it's a great story. Carmeally to Jimenez's death by 193 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: suicide is another potentially apocryphal tale that's consistently repeated. Carmeally 194 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: to Jimenez and her partner, Frederick Baker were both performers 195 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: at the bird Cage. If true, I'd like to note 196 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: that Carmelita is also described as a well known singer. 197 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: They lived together for four or five months before her 198 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: death in the middle of August eighteen eighty eight. Frederick 199 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: had noticed of late that she was not in her 200 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: right spirits, rather downhearted and melancholy. As the day wound 201 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,359 Speaker 1: down at home after performing at the bird Cage, Carmelita 202 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: began to cry. When asked if she was upset about him, 203 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: she assured him she wasn't. The next day, after rehearsals 204 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: at the bird Cage, Frederick saw her vomit alongside the washstand. 205 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: When asked, Carmelita said she intentionally took medicine to make 206 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: her sick, but wouldn't tell Frederick what it was. He 207 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: assumed that she had taken an emetic, something that seems 208 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: to have been consumed widely, if abusively, in the nineteenth century, 209 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: or was at least accessible to those who wanted or 210 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: needed to purse their systems of some real or perceived affliction. Regardless, 211 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: he assumed incorrectly she had actually taken two teaspoons of 212 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: rough on rats, an arsenic pason. This was only discovered 213 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: after a doctor was rushed to Carmelita, but the actual 214 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: emetic he applied was too late to save her. During 215 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: its heyday, the building was sold at least twice, but 216 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: its final curtain closed in eighteen ninety two as Tombstone's 217 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: water problem pushed out the bulk of miners who would 218 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: work elsewhere, which we'll talk about later. Because of fires 219 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: through Tombstone as well as the wear and tear experience 220 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: in a mining boomtown, most structures are recreations in modern builds, 221 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: but the bird Cage Theater wasn't constructed with wood. It's 222 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: made of concrete, and today it's the only building on 223 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: Allan Street that is original. When it closed its doors, 224 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: everything inside was left in place. The doors weren't opened 225 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: again until nineteen thirty four, and when they were, Tombstone 226 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: found itself with a perfect window into its past. As 227 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: we move on to the Boothill Graveyard, so named because 228 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: most of the men there supposedly died with their boots on, 229 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: let's also move on to the rapid demise of Tombstone 230 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: and its eventual status as a ghost town. Water was 231 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: threatening Tombstone as early as eighteen eighty, but each year 232 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: the mine seemed to strike more and more of it. 233 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: The flow wasn't at first large enough to stop work, 234 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: but experienced miners thought the water flow would increase, and 235 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: it did. All sources I've read indicate that pumping water 236 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: from mine shafts worked until it just didn't. A double 237 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: whammy seems to have ended things quite suddenly, as a 238 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: fire destroyed the pumping system on May eighteen eighty six, 239 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: and then the price of silver dropped, dashing hopes of 240 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: funding a restoration. Like the Boom Town, the Boothill Cemetery 241 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: had a quick rise and a short fall. Originally started 242 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy eight, it was referred to as the 243 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: City Cemetery until an actual city cemetery was built in 244 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: the town. Then it earned the named the Old Cemetery, 245 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: which it kept until nineteen nine. That's when we get 246 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: the name booth Hill Graveyard. By the nineteen twenties, it 247 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: had fallen into disrepair, and interested residents work diligently to 248 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: track down information regarding those who were buried there. Those 249 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: who were buried here usually had their places marked by wood, 250 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: which doesn't hold up well, especially in Arizona's climate. Most 251 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: of what visitors see there now are recreations of the 252 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: originals for the benefit of tourists, so the veracity of 253 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: some claims seem dubious but certainly entertaining, and some aren't 254 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: seemingly dubious but are in fact total fabrications intended to 255 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: spur tourism. If names come up, find a grave seems 256 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: to have a robust database of interments. There are about 257 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: two hundred fifty or so graves in this cemetery, and 258 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: many of them were outlaws. Brothers Tom and Frank McClory 259 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: and Billy Clanton, killed by the Herbs and Doc Holiday 260 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: in the shootout, are buried here. It's claimed that Billy's 261 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: spirit is one of the most active and apparently rises 262 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: from his grave each night. Many claimed that Billy haunts 263 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: both the graveyard and Allen Street, where he died in 264 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: the shootout. There are a few places that would be 265 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: so predictably haunted as Tombstone. But how many of these 266 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: ghost stories are just that stories? And what other secrets 267 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: does this old mining town hold up. Next, we'll talk 268 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: with Tombstone local and renowned paranormal investigator Dwight Hole, who 269 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: will fill us in on some of the more famous 270 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: Hanson Town plus some mothers you may never have even 271 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: heard of. Okay, so I am now joined by Dwight Hole, 272 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: who is a Dwight What is your position in Tombstone? Officially? 273 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: Everybody tells me you're like the resident paranormal expert. Oh, 274 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: I hate that word expert, but yeah, I'm kind of 275 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: the paranormal guy. And my wife and I have investigating 276 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Tombstone for what I have for over twenty years, Ronda 277 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: for about last ten, So we're kind of the go 278 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: to folks for the paranormal and Toomstone. Yeah, I mean 279 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: that makes sense. I know people always shy away from 280 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: the word expert when it comes to the paranormal, which 281 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: I think is fair because people always say, how can 282 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: you prove the existence of something? Or how can you 283 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: call yourself an expert in something that we can barely 284 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: prove the existence of. But I think it's fair to 285 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: say that if you have a lot of knowledge of 286 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: the history of the paranormal, or if you are someone 287 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: who knows a lot about the history of a location, 288 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: as you seem to do, I think expert is fair. 289 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: I think you're allowed to call yourself something like that. 290 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'll take it. So Tombstone is such 291 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: an interesting town. I think I met you there years 292 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: and years ago. I have not been back since then. 293 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: What year was that, uh, two thousand eight, I believe, Yeah, 294 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: so it's been a minute, but it seems like not 295 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: that long ago to me. It was just such an 296 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: interesting town with such an interesting history. And I think 297 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: what I love about it is that I expect it's 298 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: probably not nearly as lawless as it was, but it 299 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's changed much Like you really do 300 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: feel like you're taking a little step back in time. 301 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: And do you think that that might have something to 302 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: do with why spirits tend to remain there? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, 303 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: Tombstone is still Tombstone, whether it's today or a hundred 304 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: and fifty years ago. Um, you know, the players have changed, 305 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: but it's still the same thing. It's small town and 306 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: instead of silver, you know, they're mining tourists. It's still 307 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: kind of the same thing. The shops are still there 308 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: are at least the buildings are still there, you know, 309 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: all the streets are still there. So yeah, there's a 310 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: bit of familiarity, I think, and a bit of the 311 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: Tombstone attitude that I guess still prevails today. So I 312 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: think that's what helps keep some of the spirits there, 313 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: is they liked kind of that rock is body atmosphere, 314 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: and it still has it there today. Yeah. Absolutely, I 315 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: remember that very much and you read through you know, 316 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: kind of what happened there over the years, and now 317 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: it seemed like there was at the very least a 318 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: bigger population back then. Definitely a lot less buildings are 319 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: still standing. But how is the population changed over the 320 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: years from back in the heyday until now? I mean 321 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: back in the heyday we had like, gosh, almost twenty 322 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: thousand people in Tombstone, which if you come to Tombstone 323 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: you probably look around and say where they put them all? 324 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: Not that big of a place. But and you're right, 325 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of buildings that aren't there anymore that 326 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: were occupied by some of that twenty Now we have 327 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: a population about So yeah, that's a dramatic decrease in 328 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: living population. But are we sure have the ghost population 329 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: that still makes up for it? I think, I imagine. So, 330 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: what do you say is probably the most haunted spot 331 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: in the town? What is your favorite spirited place to visit? Wow? Yeah, well, 332 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, my favorite place I have to say probably 333 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: the bird Cage, just because it's probably the most untouched 334 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: building from the back of the day. But really, and honestly, 335 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, you've been to enough ghost town and Old 336 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: West towns you can't throw a rock without hitting a 337 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: haunted place in Tombstone. I mean it's just saturated with haunting. 338 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: So it's pretty much. You know, people come to town, 339 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: they say, well, what's the haunted place? Where are we 340 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: going to go to find ghosts? Uh? Pretty much anywhere 341 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: go get ice cream? You know, that's true. It's anywhere 342 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: there in Tombstone. But you know, my favorite place because 343 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: of the authenticity and originality probably the bird Cage. Not 344 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: much has changed there. I remember going in there. I 345 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: feel like it was empty for a little while. It 346 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: was almost like a time capsule before it was reopened. 347 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: But can you still see bullet holes in the walls 348 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: there or anything? Oh yeah, all the bullet holes are 349 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: still in the walls and ceiling, the floor. All the 350 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: original curtains and tapestries are still up. A lot of 351 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: the old original paintings are still there, the stage, the 352 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: original pianos. So it's it really is like walking into 353 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: a time capsule, or you know, you go back in 354 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: time as then you go through the doors. It's an 355 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: amazing place. So what would you say is probably the 356 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: most frequent occurrence there as far as paranormal activity, The 357 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: most frequent I think is being touched by It's usually 358 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: a female that goes around and kind of touches the 359 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: men when they come in there, and that seems to 360 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: be the most reported. I've had. It happened a few times. 361 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: In fact, I've got a picture of me inside the 362 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: bird cage and you can see a mirror on one 363 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: of the pianos, and in the mirror you can see me, 364 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: and you can you know, see a woman's head with 365 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: long black hair on my shoulder, but you can't see 366 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: it in the picture of me because it shows me 367 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: and then me in the mirror. So it's very cool picture. 368 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: But that's probably the most frequent thing, is people being touched. Yeah, 369 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: I could see that, And then I remember in the 370 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: Ghost Hunters episode that was there, which unfortunately that was 371 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: right before I started with Ghost Hunters and so I 372 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: didn't get I got to investigate later, obviously, But they 373 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: had a really interesting experience where they had put like 374 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: a cord up or something and the cord literally just 375 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: like lifted up and dropped off of they had used 376 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: it to wire a camera or something, and it wasn't 377 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: like it slipped, like it literally like lifted up and 378 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: fell so is there a lot of movement in there? 379 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: Do things get moved around a lot? Yeah, there's a 380 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: lot of movement. Um, you put stuff someplace and then 381 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: you know, you go back for it and it's moved. 382 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Or downstairs in the poker room, there's a lot of 383 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: stuff that gets moved. You could see it move or 384 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: you hear it move. Yeah. And in that Ghost Hunters episode, 385 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: it was cord from one of the cameras that went 386 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: over one of the alarm bells that brought display there 387 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: and it just lifted right up off the bell and 388 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: just fell back down. In fact, when you and I 389 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: were there with Lloyd Arbach and Jeff Blanger, that's right, 390 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: that's right. Jeff kept talking about being touched on the 391 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: back of the neck where we were all there. Oh, 392 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: that's funny. I'll have to remind him of that. He's 393 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: obviously very into the paranormal. For those who don't know, 394 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: Jeff Blanger is a really fabulous paranormal author. He's got 395 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: a number of books out there. He's a great friend 396 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: of mine. But he's very hard on his paranormal experiences, 397 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: and so I had forgotten about that. So I'll have 398 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: to remind him you know, he's had just a few, 399 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: so that's a good one. So Bird Cage Theater is 400 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: obviously high on the list. Now, the other spot that 401 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about, which I was surprised 402 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: when I saw it in person because it was a 403 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: lot smaller than I imagined it would be, was the 404 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: Okay Corral. So does anything happen near the Okay Corral? 405 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: It does. It is not so much actually inside, although 406 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: there are stories, but right outside because it's kind of 407 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: walled off now for obvious reasons. But on the other 408 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: side of the wall, next to the main thoroughfare that 409 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: goes through there A lot more stuff happens there because 410 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: that's where the gunfight actually took place, was almost right 411 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: on the street. And we've investigated out there, you know, 412 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: several times, and it's difficult because you always, I don't 413 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: care what time of day it is or night, you 414 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: always have cars going by, so it's difficult for noise contamination. 415 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: But we have gotten some just amazing e vps right 416 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: outside the Okay Corral, one of them being when we 417 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: were out there, we were saying, okay, who shot first? 418 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: We want to know who shot first. The McClary's or 419 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: the and we got a class A e v P 420 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: saying leave these boys alone. That was amazing to me. 421 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: And honestly, we never asked that question again. We've back 422 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: a couple of times, but I thought, you know what, 423 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to respect what the spirits say and we're 424 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: just not going to go there again. That's something that 425 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: we kind of strive for in our investigations. You know, 426 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you kind of have to think outside the box 427 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: when you're investigating some of these more well known haunts, 428 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: because it's got to be strange if you're some sort 429 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: of spirit or entity to just kind of, day in 430 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: and day out have people talking about the moment of 431 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: your death when you had an entire life before that. 432 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: And so that's why I always encourage people to kind 433 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: of think prior to that moment of death and see 434 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: what can you draw upon in their life that they 435 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: might actually want to talk about or might trigger them 436 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: to speak out. And so that might be kind of 437 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: a perfect example of like, okay, there over this right, yeah, 438 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: and they get tired of being asked the same thing 439 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: day in and day out. Like you said, it's amazing 440 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: while doing investigations and being so involved in the history. 441 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: You know, my wife I have kind of switched our 442 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: views pretty quickly on who the real bad guys were, 443 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: who the real good guys were. You know, we like 444 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: the Clantons and mcclowdy's just from what we have experienced, 445 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: have talked to them. We've actually been out to the 446 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: Clanton ranch where they live just outside of Stone, which 447 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: is an amazing place. Is that open to the public 448 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: or is that a place that you kind of have 449 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: to go visit it is? Yeah, you have to know 450 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: where it is because it's literally out in the middle 451 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: of the desert. It's an amazing, amazing place and it 452 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: hooks into of course Tombstone and its history. So we 453 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: love going out there. Now, tell me about the Booth 454 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: Hill Graveyard. I do remember visiting that briefly. Yeah, the 455 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: boot Hill Graveyard. It is a neat place to go. 456 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: We've had a few experiences out there, but mostly with 457 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: and and it sounds funny, but mostly with spirit animals, 458 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: not so much the spirit people. We've gone out there, 459 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: we've done t VP sessions and we've come back listen 460 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: to them, and we've had dogs bark right next to 461 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: us that we didn't hear. Of course, when we were there. 462 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: We've heard footsteps, you know, dog or something running through there, 463 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: and we have gotten a couple of e vps. But 464 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: it's a great place now. It used to be a 465 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: lot bigger than what the tourists see now. In fact, 466 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: there's a circle can just on the other side of 467 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: the street, kind of down the same side, and that 468 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: used to be part of Boot Hill. So there's a 469 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: circle k built on top of part of the cemetery. 470 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: And every time they dig to put in a new 471 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: gas pump or a new tank, they'd always find some bones. 472 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: They'd have to stop. They'd have to call in the 473 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: University of Arizona archaeological team, they'd have to do a 474 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: dig there. And I believe it or not, that circle 475 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: k next to Boot Hill is the most haunted circle 476 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: k I have ever investigated in my life. It's amazing. 477 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, I need to cross that 478 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: one off my list. I don't think I've ever investigated 479 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: a circle k, but this might be the perfect opportunity. 480 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: It might be. Yeah, it is crazy haunted it there 481 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: to get called in there like it was a milk file, 482 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, because there would be phenomenon going on. Yeah, 483 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: they used to call me in it O Dark thirty saying, hey, 484 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, we got all kinds of stuff. You come 485 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: in here and talk to these guys or I'm like, 486 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? But wow, it was 487 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: great and you know, I love it, and it's probably 488 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: the the most haunted quick March I've been to. That 489 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: is wild and it's just so funny that, you know, 490 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: people just think it's okay to just kind of keeping 491 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: when you build so close to a historical old cemetery, 492 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: like Odds are especially out there that you know, the 493 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: gravestones and stuff get so weathered and they kind of 494 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: just melt away over time. You never know what you're 495 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: gonna get if you build that close to something like that. 496 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: Why do you think there's animal spirits out there as 497 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: opposed to people? You know, that's a really good question. 498 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: And again I think, you know, it could be We've 499 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: tried to theorize on this over and over again. Could 500 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: be dead dogs from whoever's buried there that they're still 501 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: sticking close to their master. Because interestingly, whenever we go 502 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: to the Clantons and mccloudy's graves there, that's where we 503 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: always get the dogs Barking, which is very interesting. And 504 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: of course past Boothhill. Not too far from Booth Hill 505 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: there was a big tent city from all the miners 506 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: and stuff like that that lived there. So you know, 507 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: who knows all the animals are there, but they seem 508 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: to gravitate there. So what do you think is like 509 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: maybe a little known piece of history about Tombstone. You know, 510 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like very well known kind of 511 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: moments in time. There are there any like tragedies or 512 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: debts there that people don't really talk about much that 513 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: you think have kind of been overlooked historically. Um, you 514 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: know there are And I'll give you one good example, 515 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: because you don't really hear a lot about the Chinese 516 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: influence in Tombstone that there is a certain section of 517 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: town that was called Hoptown or China Town that was 518 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: run by China Mary. We do an event every year. 519 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: In fact, we're going to have it again next week, 520 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: a big event. We did an event a few years 521 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: ago and we had Brian Kanno as one of our guests, 522 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: and we were in a building that was in Hoptown, 523 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: the old Hoptown, and we got just an amazing experience 524 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: with e VPS and some pendulum work that we were 525 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: doing about a brother who killed his brother and couldn't 526 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: cross over and he was feeling guilty and the brother 527 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: that he killed came back to try to get him. 528 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: And we've got all this on tape. Fact we had 529 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: a film crew from New York that was videoing all 530 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: this and we have some extremely emotional things about the 531 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: ghost that came back. And there's a lot of death 532 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: in Hoptown that people just don't know about because it 533 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: was the Chinese section and it was kind of put aside. 534 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: But it was just a very very interesting investigation. Great 535 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: e vps, great film, you know evidence. When we crossed 536 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: them over there when they drive, we had thirty people 537 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: in that building. Everybody was in tears at the moment 538 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: of the crossover because they could feel it. So yeah, 539 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of gosh, you know again throw a rock. 540 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: There's history and hauntings and Tombstone. We could do, you know, 541 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: six shows on Alta, the different ones that we've found 542 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: out in Tombstone. It's so good. Gomers and prostitutes that 543 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: were associated with the birth age um that people forget about, 544 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: and so it's always interesting to talk to them as well. 545 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: This unknown or untapped history. Have you ever been able 546 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: to like find some evidence and then kind of cross 547 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: reference it with documentation in some way and it kind 548 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: of uncover a piece of history that maybe was overlooked otherwise. Well, yeah, 549 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: to Beauford House, which is one of the most haunted 550 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: houses private homes in Tombstone in fact ron and I 551 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: got there ead there because uh, yeah, we have. We've 552 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: really delved into the spiritual history and the actual history 553 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: of the place and have found that as well. As 554 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes the written and handed down history isn't 555 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. Yeah, exactly. Dig far enough and deep enough, 556 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: you find out that the stories have changed, or it 557 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: was altered, or it was whatever. And the Buford House 558 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: is a prime example where history and folklore kind of 559 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: got intertwined and the story got kind of lost along 560 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: the way, so to speak. Again, that's very common in Tombstone. 561 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: Between the actual history and the folklore that comes with it, 562 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: you often have to dig through a lot to get 563 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: to the truth. Yeah. Absolutely, you know, since it was 564 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: kind of lawless, a lot of the things aren't quite 565 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: in the newspapers and whatnot. I mean, there is a 566 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: lot of interesting information if you can start to dig 567 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: through like historical archives. But I imagine a lot of 568 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: it is very skewed and not necessarily accurate. So the 569 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: Beaufort House, is that a place that people can visit 570 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: as well? Everyone knows the obvious spots, but you know, 571 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: I'd love to spotlight some places people might not know. 572 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 1: The Beaufort House is not open to the public. I 573 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: can say it's a private residence that it was an 574 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: Airbnb for a while, but because of the whole COVID thing, 575 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: they had to shut that down, so it's strictly just 576 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: a private residence. Now. There are a lot of ghost 577 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: towns around it, other areas in Tombstone that maybe not 578 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: well known. Trying to think of some of the better ones. 579 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I've investigated just about every building in Tombstone. 580 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: The Courthouse is a great place. Yeah, the Episcopal Church. Yeah, 581 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: It's funny always in my brain because I spent a 582 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: lot of time in Virginia City because I lived in 583 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: California for so long, So in my brain I always 584 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: kind of mix up the two in memories because they're 585 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: so similar, and I have to like catch myself because 586 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: they literally look very similar and have very similar histories 587 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: as well. Have you heard any wild stories from people 588 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: as far as encounters they've had with the paranormal in 589 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: town that really stick out in your brain? You know, 590 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: As far as wild ones, there's just I mean again, 591 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: there's dozens of stories. But we've had people tell us that, 592 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, they've walked down the street in the middle 593 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: of the night just to experience it, and they've seen 594 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: very sharp a ghost of Virgil Earp and it started 595 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: walking towards them and then disappeared. We've heard stories of 596 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: you know, the Clantons walking down the street and then disappearing, 597 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: stuff like that. You listen to enough of the stories 598 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: and they kind of get wilder as they go, right, 599 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: I can imagine how is Tombstone doing tours twice right now? 600 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: With everything going on with COVID? Are are they recovering? Okay? 601 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: Are people coming back now? Yeah? They are, they really are. 602 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: They're coming back kind of in droves now that you 603 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: know in Arizona here everything's opened up and they've lifted 604 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: all the masks, stuff and everything else. So a lot 605 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: of people from other states are actually flying in again 606 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: to Tombstone because it's kind of quote unquote back to normal, 607 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: so to speak. So, yeah, it's really getting busy now 608 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: and people are coming in. We've got probably thirty or 609 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: forty people coming in next week for our events, so 610 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: we've kind of booked the hotels up, which is good. 611 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's starting to really come back again. 612 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the thing of Tombstone. You know, 613 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: you think it's dead, it's a sound too tough to die. 614 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: Before you know it, you know, it's it's booming again, 615 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: and that's kind of the history of Tombstone. Yeah, I 616 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: feel like it's kind of ebbed and flowed over the 617 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: years when the pandemic was really in the thick of 618 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: it and everything was closed and quiet. Did you do 619 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: any investigating then or did Tombstone just kind of have 620 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: a different vibe to it when that was going on? 621 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: You know, it did. It had a different vibe, and 622 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: it was very, very difficult to try to do any 623 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: investigating because nobody wanted to open a building up for you, 624 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: so it was difficult to investigate. But yeah, it was 625 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: a very different vibe. It was I don't use this 626 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: word often, but it was creepy because it wasn't the same. 627 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: It wasn't that same vibe to get when you go there. Now, 628 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: what happened, I don't know whether it was just the 629 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: absence of people and things close it down, but it 630 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: did change it for a while. But thankfully it's it's 631 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: it's back and kicking again. Yeah, as we've been investigating 632 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 1: again and kind of back out there, I always asked 633 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: that because I don't know that we'll ever see that 634 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: again in some of these haunted historical locations where the 635 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: living people were just gone for months and it really 636 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: affected some of the hauntings, and as soon as you 637 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of thought about the human aspect of these spirits 638 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: and kind of like how confused they must be or 639 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, assuming that there's intelligence behind them. That we've 640 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: been in some locations where activity just like completely ramped 641 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: up at that time, and then in other locations it 642 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: hasn't even really come back since then. So it's interesting 643 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: to see how the personality of each hunt handled those 644 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: months of quiet. Yeah. Yeah, and we're going to kind 645 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: of find out next week with our event because we're 646 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: going to be doing a few different locations. So it'll 647 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: be interesting to see just coming out of the pandemic, 648 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: if things are going to be as active or whether 649 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be cooled down a little bit or 650 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: maybe ramped up. So we're curious how often do you 651 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: do events out there? Ron and I put on an 652 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: event every year. It may right around our anniversary can 653 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: We got married at to Beauford House May eighteen, So 654 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: we try to do an event during our anniversary, just 655 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: kind of our thing we'd like to do. So we 656 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: have it every year. We've done it for about seven 657 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: years and it's it's been great. We have a lot 658 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: of people that come in. We have you know, solver 659 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: talent that we book to come in and investigate with 660 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: the folks. And of course not last year because we 661 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: got everything was shut down. But again we're picking up 662 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully we can continue. Well I think this will 663 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: air too late for this year's but how can people 664 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: kind of keep tabs on you and to sign up 665 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: for next year and just kind of see what you're 666 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: up to. Where can they find you? Oh, they can 667 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: find us any place on social media, either through my 668 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: name Dwight Hall, my wife's name Randa holl or be 669 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: Leave Paranormal which is b E L I E v 670 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: E paranormal dot com. We have a website. We have 671 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: two books if you're interested. You know, folks out there, 672 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: we have two books out there, working on a third 673 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: almost complete, and of all the areas around Tombstone, in 674 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: Tombstone and southern Arizona. So for those Old West fans 675 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: it might be an interesting read. Well. That is fantastic, 676 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: and I thank you guys for joining me and just 677 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: kind of telling people a little bit more about the 678 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: haunts in town. And I'm sure people are going to 679 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: want to come visit, because now I know I do, 680 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: so as soon as I get some time, I've got 681 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: to pop into town and explore again because I miss it. 682 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: It's a really great place and so much history and 683 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: so many ghosts. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it, guys. Oh, 684 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 1: thank you. And hey, you want to pop into town, 685 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: just let us know and we'll take you out for sure. 686 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: It's been many years since I visited the town of Tombstone, 687 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: and admittedly, putting together this episode made me really want 688 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: to take a trip back there. There's something about the 689 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: creation of an entire boom town, the buzz of new 690 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 1: riches and dreams being fulfilled, coupled with the wild West 691 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: romanticism that's really never left those streets. There is one 692 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: memory that stands out for me. When I visited so 693 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: many years ago, I had just completed an investigation and 694 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 1: found myself at two am walking alone down Allen Street 695 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: on the way it's my rental car. I didn't see 696 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: a ghost, but in those moments of stillness, I could 697 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: so strongly feel and imagine what Tombstone looked like during 698 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: its heyday in the eighties. It draws you in and 699 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: takes you back, just like it's drawn so many history lovers, tourists, 700 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: and more recently, paranormal researchers. Perhaps that's why, when so 701 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 1: many boom towns wasted away and disappeared, Tombstone is still 702 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,439 Speaker 1: lovingly referred to as the town Too Tough to Die. 703 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney, and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road 704 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and 705 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: Mild from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted 706 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: by Amy Bruney. Executive producers include Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, 707 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. The show is produced by rima Ill 708 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: Kali and Trevor Young. 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