Speaker 1: It's time for another episode of Patch from the Past,
Speaker 1: Matt Smith alongside with Brian Mori, and we're pleased to
Speaker 1: be joined by our first ever demo repeat guest. And
Speaker 1: who better to have, especially this time of year, than
Speaker 1: number twenty four in your program, but number one in
Speaker 1: our hearts, Ty Law Hall of Fame, Ty Law. Ty
Speaker 1: how you doing, man, I'm good, Man good. Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me repeat, first repeat, best repeat.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See that's what I'm talking about, man, see happy, happy,
Speaker 2: happy to be here for the second time. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's setting the bar higher time. Get it right.
Speaker 1: So let's remind people Tye very importantly what Ty Law
Speaker 1: is doing for those of you. This is a podcast,
Speaker 1: so it's audio, but we have the pleasure of looking
Speaker 1: at Ty at his home and he's a smart businessman
Speaker 1: because product placement, as he knows, is very important. Let
Speaker 1: everybody know what you're doing these days.
Speaker 2: Ty Well. Right now, I'm a partner and owner of
Speaker 2: the v One brand small batch premium vodka and we
Speaker 2: are the official vodka the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: So this is my passion right now, pride and joy.
Speaker 2: So I'm happy about it, happy about the direction that
Speaker 2: we're going but you know, guys, this is the cleanest,
Speaker 2: smoothest vodka that you ever taste. I promise, And I
Speaker 2: like to challenge everybody for a taste test because every
Speaker 2: time I line it up and not tell anybody what
Speaker 2: it is, and I'll put a couple of different vodkas
Speaker 2: taste it. I am one undefeated now, and I know
Speaker 2: it's gonna come a time where somebody just gonna like
Speaker 2: somebody something different. That's why I kind of want to quit.
Speaker 2: But right now I'm I'm well over thirty taste tests
Speaker 2: and one every last one of them. So I'm excited
Speaker 2: about it, man.
Speaker 3: And I can I can share that I've given it
Speaker 3: to a couple of people and cleanest, smoothest vodka.
Speaker 2: That they never had.
Speaker 1: Full disclaimer, Brian, we are both fans of the product,
Speaker 1: would you say? Yeah, definitely and tight it's been.
Speaker 3: He hasn't offer me money to endorse it though.
Speaker 1: It's been about a year, ty since you've been in this.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's been about a year.
Speaker 1: How's it going? Do you like it?
Speaker 2: I mean it's going good. I mean we were supposed
Speaker 2: to really kick off a lot of things last year,
Speaker 2: you know, being uh introduced as the official Boka for
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. But unfortunately for everyone, you know,
Speaker 2: in every industry, you know, the pandemic and COVID it
Speaker 2: hit us all. But uh, you know, we're still been moving,
Speaker 2: uh uh in a pretty good pace. We got picked
Speaker 2: up in Florida this month, so we're going to be
Speaker 2: launching in Florida. We're in Michigan, throughout New England, New Jersey.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be launching soon in New Jersey. So uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you take it, you know, one customer at
Speaker 2: a time and just keep spreading the word and hopefully
Speaker 2: you know, everyone enjoys as much as I do. But
Speaker 2: I really believe in the product. And you know, I
Speaker 2: was fortunate enough to uh sell my other business, you know,
Speaker 2: launch Trampoline Park prior to the pandemic, and uh you
Speaker 2: know that that that was a blessing in itself because
Speaker 2: I wanted to put all my energy into v one.
Speaker 1: What I tell you what, you must say some prayer
Speaker 1: at night for that piece of good luck. In all seriousness,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you and I talked about something
Speaker 1: different in people saying wow, what a master stroke, brilliant
Speaker 1: business move by Todd Tye. But you know that that
Speaker 1: had a little bit of good fortune in it as well,
Speaker 1: didn't it Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, You don't take anything, you know for granted. It
Speaker 2: was something that has been in the makings for a
Speaker 2: few months, you know, because you know, I wanted to
Speaker 2: go in a different direction. I mean, I'm a strong
Speaker 2: advocate for lunch. You know, that was that was my
Speaker 2: first baby, my first four rate into business. But you know,
Speaker 2: I knew it was a means to an end and
Speaker 2: I just wanted to do something different. But it was
Speaker 2: a stroke of luck that I was able to, you know,
Speaker 2: close you know, that deal prior to the pandemic, because
Speaker 2: I can guarantee that it wouldn't happen just because of
Speaker 2: the unknown. Now we're starting to pick back up and
Speaker 2: Launch is moving forward again, and you know, at at
Speaker 2: a slower pace. But like I said, I'm still a
Speaker 2: huge advocate. I'm a huge fan of Launch and hopefully
Speaker 2: launching every other bit that's out there recover from this
Speaker 2: pandemic because it's hit everybody hard.
Speaker 3: To get hit hard, ty you know, we got the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame voting coming up, the Pro Bowl. There's
Speaker 3: no Pro Bowl this year, but you know, we had
Speaker 3: some guys that are selected, and I guess they just
Speaker 3: send the jerseys now so for this year because there's
Speaker 3: no actual game. But do you remember going to a
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl and winning MVP and then what was that
Speaker 3: experience like for you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean it was awesome, It was funny. I
Speaker 2: was just talking to Keishawn Johnson on his show this morning.
Speaker 2: We talked about because we share the m v P,
Speaker 2: but we ain't had no damn we're supposed to split
Speaker 2: the car least down the middlee We had a car
Speaker 2: sponsor every year before, and when we got the m
Speaker 2: v P, no car sponsor. The car sponsor got picked
Speaker 2: back up. So it was obviously a conspiracy against myself
Speaker 2: a Keyshawn because we ain't get no car trophy and
Speaker 2: we got a damn plaque and now I didn't get it.
Speaker 2: It's on the wall. But I could have used the
Speaker 2: car at that time a lot more, you know.
Speaker 1: All Right, little trivia question for people who might not
Speaker 1: know Ty the team that lost the AFC Championship back
Speaker 1: in those days, that was the coach of the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: So the coach of the Pro Bowl for your for
Speaker 1: you was supposed to be Bill Parcells. Who coached the
Speaker 1: ninety eight Pro Bowl team.
Speaker 2: Ninety eight Pro Bowl the year that you were MVP.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess it was Bill Parcells assistant.
Speaker 2: It was Bill.
Speaker 1: It was Bill Belichick who was the coach of the
Speaker 1: ninety eight team.
Speaker 2: Se Ye, I didn't know that. I didn't know that
Speaker 2: because once you get over there, Look, I gotta be honest.
Speaker 2: Half the time, you know, even though we played real
Speaker 2: football and it wasn't flag football like it is now,
Speaker 2: you know, you kind of lose track of days being
Speaker 2: down there at the I Hill Hountie and you know,
Speaker 2: getting a couple of drinks because you you know, we're
Speaker 2: playing football, but we're on vacation at the same time.
Speaker 2: So it's some of that stuff was a hey as
Speaker 2: a cloud, you know, because they got like, you know,
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning feeding you my ties all day that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was information, right, And the players loved that,
Speaker 1: didn't they too? Tye. I mean the fact that you guys
Speaker 1: can go to Hawaii, bring your families, bring your girlfriends, whatever,
Speaker 1: and just chill out and talk ball with other guys
Speaker 1: and have a good time your season's over. That was
Speaker 1: a great trip, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was amazing. And you know, I always said
Speaker 2: that I would never take a trip to Hawaii until
Speaker 2: I made the Pro Bowl. That's just what I did
Speaker 2: for myself. I said the same thing when it came
Speaker 2: to can I am never stepping foot and Can until
Speaker 2: if I have opportunity to go to Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: But that changed because you know, one of my best
Speaker 2: friends went before me, so I had to go support
Speaker 2: him and Curtis Mars. So that was the first time
Speaker 2: it was actually motivating. It's like, man, I would love
Speaker 2: to have this opportunity as well one day. But you know,
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl, I think, guys, they need to put
Speaker 2: it back in Hawaii. I think it should be after
Speaker 2: the season. I know they're trying to do somewhat of
Speaker 2: a you know, NBA formatt and let the season keep
Speaker 2: on going for whatever their reason are. They're the experts,
Speaker 2: not me. But I know from a player's perspective, you know,
Speaker 2: if you get that honor, you're definitely not gonna I mean,
Speaker 2: why not do what we did? We won and won
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and then we went right over to
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. Guess what, you know, it felt good
Speaker 2: because now you're looking at you know where Pro Bowl is,
Speaker 2: but you always got to pay attention to us right
Speaker 2: now because we're coming off of a Super Bowl championship.
Speaker 3: My guess is that it's twofold. Number one, the players
Speaker 3: that haven't played in the playoffs are now going a
Speaker 3: month without playing football until they get to Hawaii. And two,
Speaker 3: I think they try to keep it so that after
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, no one's paying attention anymore. So if
Speaker 3: they put the Pro Bowl in between and that off week,
Speaker 3: maybe it's more attractive to viewers.
Speaker 2: Right right, that's my guess. No, it is. I understand.
Speaker 2: That's why I said they want to just keep the
Speaker 2: football thing going. But you got to understand a lot
Speaker 2: of times when even though guys opt out, I will say,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of that going on too. But some
Speaker 2: of your marquee players are the people that want to see.
Speaker 2: They want to see are playing in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So who wouldn't want wait a little bit, a little
Speaker 2: bit longer to see Patrick Mahoons finally go out there
Speaker 2: just having fun like he's doing, but just playing in
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl to treat the fans, and Tom Brady
Speaker 2: going over there. We want to see that again, right,
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So you don't get to
Speaker 2: see that as being an All Star. So you have
Speaker 2: these names and these great players not participating. I think
Speaker 2: it takes away from the game a little bit. But
Speaker 2: from a player perspective, you want to be out there
Speaker 2: after the season. Yeah, we're probably you know, not focusing
Speaker 2: on like this is not the Super Bowl, this is
Speaker 2: an All Star game. It is entertainment. This is a
Speaker 2: reward at the end of the season, you know. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, money, Trump's everything, And
Speaker 2: like I said, they're the experts, and maybe from a
Speaker 2: marketing standpoint for whatever it is, keeping it over here
Speaker 2: in Florida in the US is a lot cheaper, So
Speaker 2: it probably came down to the bottom line. No question
Speaker 2: business perspective, because I'm always thinking like that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, BMO trivia. Question few what Patriot related news the
Speaker 1: year that Ty law won the Pro Bowl MVP in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, and I was there. I remember standing
Speaker 1: in the lobby in another life, and I remember greeting
Speaker 1: Taylan Lawyer Maloy, who are just coming back from maybe
Speaker 1: some BS practice or something like that. But what big
Speaker 1: Patriot related news happened that week? That Friday, the two
Speaker 1: days before the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: Do you know, I'm guessing that was a beach flag
Speaker 3: football game in which Robert Edwards's career basically ended that day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess we could all agree, ty that
Speaker 1: that's probably a good thing that came out of the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, is to not have that beach volleyball game,
Speaker 1: and certainly a sad situation because who knows how good
Speaker 1: Robert Edwards would have been had that not happened.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think you know it was. It was never
Speaker 2: you can't even say, you know, a blessing and a curse,
Speaker 2: because I mean, when someone you know loses their career
Speaker 2: for something that was supposed to be fun and entertaining,
Speaker 2: you know, it can't be a blessing. But I think
Speaker 2: the league learned something from that and that's why they
Speaker 2: don't do it anymore. And now I know they're trying
Speaker 2: to protect the players, but it was very unf fortunate
Speaker 2: that it had to come when you're being rewarded as
Speaker 2: being one of the rookies to be able to go
Speaker 2: down there, you know, and play in the game and
Speaker 2: still be around. You know, the guys that made the
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, you know what I mean, But you made
Speaker 2: it you know, your rookie year, just in a different way,
Speaker 2: but just to be in that atmosphere. And I would
Speaker 2: have loved to say where Roberts Edward's careers would have
Speaker 2: been and would it turned out hadn't been for that accident.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I always look at the Pro Bowl
Speaker 3: and I've never really cared too much about the actual game. Honestly.
Speaker 3: What I always thought they should do is bring you
Speaker 3: guys to Hawaii and then do like skills competitions and
Speaker 3: let us watch those. Will you guys get really competitive
Speaker 3: with each other, talk trash like know what it would
Speaker 3: be for d backs, but you know they have the
Speaker 3: Quarterback Challenge things like that. I always thought those things
Speaker 3: would be fun. I remember as a kid watching like
Speaker 3: Battle of the Network Stars or whatever it was where
Speaker 3: they had to tuggle war and they have the canoe
Speaker 3: races and it was athletes doing that. I always thought
Speaker 3: they should do some fun stuff like that rather than
Speaker 3: play a meaningless game where where injury is a risk,
Speaker 3: even even in the Pro Bowl, because you still have
Speaker 3: to block.
Speaker 2: And tackle, right. Yeah, I understand that because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's a business and you never
Speaker 2: want to even get hurt at the Pro Bowl. But
Speaker 2: when I was playing, we really played the game, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you might start off not going too much,
Speaker 2: but when it gets to the fourth quarter, it's that
Speaker 2: difference that competitive nature kick in. And it's that difference
Speaker 2: between that it's fifteen thousand dollars check and that twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty thousand dollars check, you know, because the winner
Speaker 2: get that little you know, everything over there Hawaii costs
Speaker 2: more than everything, you know. You know, damn snicker costs
Speaker 2: like fort dollars, you know what I mean, So you
Speaker 2: got to you got to make up for that somehow.
Speaker 2: So we got a little bit of competitive But you know,
Speaker 2: it would be interesting to me because we had to
Speaker 2: play the flag football game when I was there, and
Speaker 2: uh and that was pretty funny, you know, and we
Speaker 2: were competitive. But you know, imagine, guys, if because we
Speaker 2: are talking about who the best athletes and I always
Speaker 2: say DB's you know, seven on seven where all the
Speaker 2: defensive guys got to play offense, all the offensive guys
Speaker 2: got to play defense. I think that will really expose
Speaker 2: a lot of guys out there that think they can
Speaker 2: that think they can play dB. You know, because you know,
Speaker 2: you get a lot of receivers out there. You know,
Speaker 2: they got skills, but y'all running forward. This is what
Speaker 2: you do. You run here, we run here, we run backwards.
Speaker 2: We showed to the side. So I would love to
Speaker 2: see something like that. Some of the top skill guys
Speaker 2: go out there, and you just got to play the
Speaker 2: opposite side of the ball, you know, DeAndre Hopkins and
Speaker 2: and and those guys playing dB. I got my money
Speaker 2: on the DB's all day long.
Speaker 3: Who is the who is the hardest receiver you had
Speaker 3: to cover?
Speaker 2: You know? I always say, and I stayed consistent, Uh,
Speaker 2: since I've been getting asked this question, it was always
Speaker 2: Jimmy Smith. I mean, Jimmy Smith was one of those
Speaker 2: guys that you knew you had to you know, you
Speaker 2: bring your lunch pell to work. You know. I have
Speaker 2: the most respect for him, uh, you know, And I
Speaker 2: think it was a matchup thing too, because he was
Speaker 2: a big, strong, fast receiver and I was a bigger, strong,
Speaker 2: fast corner. So we matched up well. And then you know,
Speaker 2: most receivers and in my opinion, not all, but most,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, more more bark than bite. You know,
Speaker 2: Jimmy he could sit there and bark the bike back
Speaker 2: at you, you know what I mean. He wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: get intimidated. The same thing with guys like Hines War.
Speaker 2: You know, he was like he was heines War, but
Speaker 2: he'd run by you, heins ward, he ain't gonna run
Speaker 2: by you. But he's as tough as nails, and he's
Speaker 2: tough as they come as far as competitors. So I've
Speaker 2: always liked Jimmy Smith. And even though he probably isn't
Speaker 2: mentioned with the Hall of Famers and the all time greats,
Speaker 2: but if you talk to football guys as far as
Speaker 2: his career and in that period of time when he
Speaker 2: was that you know, Pro Bowl guy, it was always
Speaker 2: a great matchup, you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 2: couldn't overpower him and things like that, He's coming right
Speaker 2: back at me. So I had the utmost respect for
Speaker 2: Jimmy Smith.
Speaker 1: What if the guy who whose podcast you're on this
Speaker 1: morning asked you the same question, would you have had
Speaker 1: the same answer?
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but he's not saying that.
Speaker 2: You know, like Keith Shawn as well. I mean, we
Speaker 2: went at it. He got me a times, I got him,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But if you talk about
Speaker 2: it if you had to pick one, and you remember
Speaker 2: those battles. Even though you know it's easy for me
Speaker 2: to say. You know, Marvin Harrison, I've played him so
Speaker 2: many times. You know he's a pro football Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: You know the matchup the games was always epic, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But if you're talking about going
Speaker 2: out there and knowing if you you're really saying something
Speaker 2: as a player, when even if you only play him two, three,
Speaker 2: four times and you knew that, hey, this guy can play,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That's how I felt about
Speaker 2: Jimmy Smith because, like I said, he was fast too.
Speaker 2: People didn't give him enough credit, you know, for speed,
Speaker 2: And like I said, I tried to pump guys. That
Speaker 2: was my thing. I'm gonna try to get up in
Speaker 2: your face. I'm gonna try to test your manhood. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna see what you're really made of. And Jimmy showed
Speaker 2: me that, you know what, you the real deal and
Speaker 2: I got I gotta respect for him.
Speaker 1: So let's switch gears here a little bit tight. Another
Speaker 1: time of year is Hall of Fame time. You've been
Speaker 1: through the agony and then ultimately the ecstasy of you know,
Speaker 1: not having the door knock instead receiving a phone call
Speaker 1: and then having the door knock. And I think we
Speaker 1: all remember those great pictures where you're clapping and your
Speaker 1: family's behind you and you're so excited. Big c is
Speaker 1: who everybody who cares about the Patriots is concerned about
Speaker 1: this year, and he's had nothing but the agony so far.
Speaker 1: What's this week like for him? As one who's lived.
Speaker 2: It, you know what it is? First of all, you
Speaker 2: got to look at the honor of even being in
Speaker 2: the conversation. I think a lot of times, as much
Speaker 2: as we all want to get in, you got to take,
Speaker 2: you know, the good with the bad, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And the good part about this whole situation.
Speaker 2: You're one of fifteen guys, you know, as in the finals,
Speaker 2: so there is a chance, you know, and being that
Speaker 2: he has been a finals for the last few years,
Speaker 2: he's waited his turn. You know, I think it's time
Speaker 2: for Richard Seymour to get in. You know, everyone is
Speaker 2: not going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: But once you get in, no one asks how long
Speaker 2: it takes you to get there. Damn it, You've got
Speaker 2: a gold jacket, and I think you know it's because
Speaker 2: he wants to be in there. He wants to get
Speaker 2: it over with because all the talk, everyone's rooting for you.
Speaker 2: But you know that every one of those guys in
Speaker 2: there have a strong case themselves, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's up to voters and Ron Borges and the
Speaker 2: guys that's advocating for us to even if these guys
Speaker 2: weren't believers, you got to make him a believer or
Speaker 2: you'll play when they really evaluate your player speaks for itself.
Speaker 2: But I think Richard, you know, hats off to him
Speaker 2: just to be in this position because a lot of
Speaker 2: us don't get into this position to even be considered.
Speaker 2: So I like his chances this year. I hope he
Speaker 2: gets in, but I'm sure you know, we're not even
Speaker 2: gonna put the bad energy out there. Hopefully he gets
Speaker 2: in this time. But best believe, Richard Seymour not only
Speaker 2: will have you know, a red jacket, he's going to
Speaker 2: have a gold jacket as well.
Speaker 3: So Tyy, can you just take us what it's like.
Speaker 3: I mean, this year obviously is different. There was a
Speaker 3: zoom call for the voters and there's no you know,
Speaker 3: Richard won't be at the Super Bowl sitting in a
Speaker 3: hotel room, so can you? But can you tell us
Speaker 3: what it's like when you're in that room and the
Speaker 3: phone rings, which means not this year, versus the knock
Speaker 3: on the door, which means obviously you're in, and just
Speaker 3: the emotions of both of those.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so crazy because that's the one time,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're talking about, you know, football, when
Speaker 2: you start your career, when you get drafted, you were
Speaker 2: just waiting for your phone to ring. That's all you want.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Somebody called me so and say you're taking it is
Speaker 2: the total opposite when it's when you according to the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. You know, you'd be like, please don't ring.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want nothing. You want to hear
Speaker 2: the knock on the door. So that is very Uh,
Speaker 2: it's stressful because everyone wants so much for you. I
Speaker 2: was even hearing, you know, because I've been through it.
Speaker 2: There's no guarantees. Everyone belied in it, but and they
Speaker 2: want to be there. I didn't want that many people,
Speaker 2: you know, there, because I've been disappointed all of That's
Speaker 2: why you can take me and my son whatever you know,
Speaker 2: happens happens, but they felt that they knew it and
Speaker 2: they was so they say, But I was like, damn it,
Speaker 2: y'all said that two years ago too, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But you know, I'm glad that everyone was
Speaker 2: down there to be able to share that moment with me.
Speaker 2: You know, they they felt it. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: to feel. I was just hoping that someone would look
Speaker 2: at me in my career and say I was worthy
Speaker 2: of being in, you know, such a prestigious fraternity.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned the honor that it is just
Speaker 1: to get to where these guys are at right now,
Speaker 1: where Richard is at right now, and he's been there
Speaker 1: a couple of times. But as one who went through it, Ty,
Speaker 1: do you feel that the process was all that was
Speaker 1: at all political? Or at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: do you think, you know what, whether you got in
Speaker 1: in the first ballot or it took you fifteen years
Speaker 1: to get in, this is the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: reserved for the greats. And whether this guy's a better
Speaker 1: talker than somebody else or he has a better presentation
Speaker 1: somebody else, eventually the best you're going to get.
Speaker 2: Into the Hall. I mean I really believe that. But there,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of guys that may be
Speaker 2: deserving that's not even getting a sniff, you know. And
Speaker 2: so I definitely believe it's some politics in it. But
Speaker 2: what is it politics in If you talk about any business,
Speaker 2: any corporation, anything significant, there's always going to be some
Speaker 2: type of politics that's being played, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you know I would be it would be ignorant
Speaker 2: to even say something like that. But you know, guys
Speaker 2: like Rodney Harrison. You know, for example, you can't tell
Speaker 2: me that Rodney Harrison is not supposed to be in
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Not only is he
Speaker 2: supposed to be in the Pro Football thing, he's not
Speaker 2: even being considered as a finalist right now. And I
Speaker 2: don't understand it, you know what I mean. So if
Speaker 2: it's one guy, and I'm not being biased, I always
Speaker 2: look from a football perspective, Yes, I played with Rodney,
Speaker 2: and you can say, all right, I can be biased,
Speaker 2: but just look at his numbers, look at his production.
Speaker 2: It's only one guy, one guy, And I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people would agree that ray Lewis is probably,
Speaker 2: you know, the greatest linebacker that ever played the game.
Speaker 2: If not, you know, one of the two or three
Speaker 2: guys you know at that position, you know, at the
Speaker 2: middle linebacker position. He has thirty interceptions thirty sacks. Rodney
Speaker 2: Harrison is the only other person in the game from
Speaker 2: a and the only defensive back that has thirty picks
Speaker 2: in thirty interceptions, I mean, and thirty sacks. So if
Speaker 2: you're only one of two guys in the history of football,
Speaker 2: why is he being considered? He has the championships, He
Speaker 2: damn sure got the numbers he had. He's in two
Speaker 2: different Hall of Fames as far as you know, the
Speaker 2: you know, the Patriots, you know, and the in San
Speaker 2: Diego all anniversary teams and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Why is it he being considered? So, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many stories. Maybe because the way he
Speaker 2: played the game, or he got fine. I heard dirty player.
Speaker 2: I didn't like Rodney when I didn't play with him,
Speaker 2: But when you play with that man, oh, you can't
Speaker 2: do nothing but respected. And I think that he should
Speaker 2: be considered, you know, for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you more. And I know you're a
Speaker 1: former coach here in New England has been on the
Speaker 1: record as saying that as well, and would hope that
Speaker 1: his words carry some weight. Tied, does are you tempted
Speaker 1: at all when we're talking about the politics part of
Speaker 1: it and we know that there are people who will
Speaker 1: go in and vote and make presentations. Are you at
Speaker 1: all tempted when those years when you were trying your
Speaker 1: you know, waiting for ultimately for you to get in
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with somebody, did you feel the
Speaker 1: need to, you know, say anything about yourself or is
Speaker 1: it one of those things where he said, you know
Speaker 1: what I did, what I did in the I gotta
Speaker 1: trust that these people open their eyes and learn what's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: I mean, only if it was an interview and you
Speaker 2: had to say something you know about you of it
Speaker 2: was a direct question. But I didn't feel the need
Speaker 2: to take it upon myself to go out there and
Speaker 2: try to play my case. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's I can't go back out on the field. I mean,
Speaker 2: everything that has happened, you know, if I can go
Speaker 2: back out there and run and run one more forty
Speaker 2: or catch one more pick, damn it, I'll take that opportunity.
Speaker 2: But the reality is that it wasn't gonna happen. So
Speaker 2: but you know, I've had some of course, I'm in
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and that was the
Speaker 2: most epic moment ever. But you know, when you're getting disappointed,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, what did that guy do that
Speaker 2: I didn't do? And all that I couldn't sit there
Speaker 2: and just look at every day you know like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you'll beat yourself up, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because I can't control that. Only thing I control is
Speaker 2: what I did on the field. My Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: enshrinment and consideration. That's all in somebody else's hand, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, so I just went on with it. But
Speaker 2: when the question was presented, now you know me, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell you what I can tell you, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, because you know it was a whole lot.
Speaker 2: You know. It was just you know a great friend
Speaker 2: of mine and you know my Hall of Fame brother,
Speaker 2: Champ Bailey. You know, it was never saying anything disrespectful
Speaker 2: about you know, Champ or anything else. But I think
Speaker 2: if I wouldn't have got in this year, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean the year that I did, because I was
Speaker 2: going directly head to head, you know, with another all
Speaker 2: time great you know what I mean. Before I didn't
Speaker 2: have that, so it would have probably been a little
Speaker 2: more painful if someone came in as a cornerback and
Speaker 2: hopped me when I had to wait, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, And when we had early similar stats outside
Speaker 2: the pro bows. You know, you know when you say, okay,
Speaker 2: I have more interceptions, even though it was only a couple,
Speaker 2: you know, I had more touchdowns. I got Super Bowl
Speaker 2: rings and things like that. So if I had to
Speaker 2: remind somebody in a sense without no saying anything negative
Speaker 2: against my friend, I would let him know, you know,
Speaker 2: if he you know, I consider him first ballot too.
Speaker 2: I considered myself. You know, I could have could have
Speaker 2: possibly one day, but that's fine. But if he's gonna
Speaker 2: go in first ballot, and you asked me the question
Speaker 2: because I want to get in as well, Hey check
Speaker 2: the damn stats. So if they if they like this,
Speaker 2: I had to wait, if he go in, should not
Speaker 2: be going in with it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that that year in particular,
Speaker 3: it was Ron Borges made a great argument about that
Speaker 3: because because I think he knew that they were gonna
Speaker 3: put Champ in because Champ had a lot of hyper around.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna put Champ in, we gotta look at
Speaker 3: ty Low because I was actually surprised the two corners
Speaker 3: got in. Tie.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised about that? You know what? I wasn't
Speaker 2: as I was surprised, but I wasn't as surprised because
Speaker 2: the year prior to when I was a finalist, they
Speaker 2: put two linebackers in? Did they put t O and
Speaker 2: Randy in at the same time? So now you looked
Speaker 2: at it as a possibility, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I thought that to be honest it it would
Speaker 2: only be right, you know what I mean, because you know,
Speaker 2: check the stats. Check, I mean, check anything you want
Speaker 2: to check. You know, the numbers are there. Numbers are
Speaker 2: numbers don't lie. So which is I put it this way?
Speaker 2: Put it this way. I was hopeful because I knew,
Speaker 2: just like you know, this year, we all know that
Speaker 2: two spots is gone, and that is Charles Woodson and
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning, Hudos other three none of us know. We
Speaker 2: know two spots is gone. But when I came in
Speaker 2: on my years, okay, you pretty much knew a spot
Speaker 2: was gone. Champ Bailey, Tony Gunzalez and Ed Reed. So
Speaker 2: I mean, you're pretty you knew that they could all
Speaker 2: be possible first Battle Hall of faper. So it's basically
Speaker 2: only two spots left for the rest of us. Who
Speaker 2: would be that? And when you're going to head up
Speaker 2: with somebody that you have the same stats and you
Speaker 2: know the only separation was Pro Bowl votes and we
Speaker 2: all know what that is, right, you know, bullshit. But
Speaker 2: so I was like, hey, if it's no better time
Speaker 2: than now, you know, to get in and I knew
Speaker 2: wrong would go out there and do a hell of
Speaker 2: a job, you know, making that case.
Speaker 3: In that argument, you mentioned how your stats were your stats,
Speaker 3: and do you think that that's what hurts Richard is
Speaker 3: because he doesn't have you know, one hundred sacks? He
Speaker 3: doesn't play in that kind of defense, right, And you
Speaker 3: know he was when he was on the end, it
Speaker 3: was in a three four two gaping and when he
Speaker 3: was inside, you know it was you know, maybe it
Speaker 3: was four to three when he was inside, but he
Speaker 3: even played some on the nose.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, he's he's done so much. And if
Speaker 2: you're talking about these people doing the vote and if
Speaker 2: they knew football and not just looked at statistics because
Speaker 2: I think they pick and choose who they want to
Speaker 2: look at statistics. Four. But Richard Seymour, the impact that
Speaker 2: he had on every defense was major because when you're
Speaker 2: taking on two guys, you're going from tackle to over
Speaker 2: the center. He can play the end. He did anything
Speaker 2: that you asked him to do, and he was always
Speaker 2: a problem. No, he didn't have a lot of sacks,
Speaker 2: the hunted sacks that he had a lot of sacks,
Speaker 2: but they wouldn't ask him to just go get the quarterback.
Speaker 2: I say the same thing about Willy mcginns. If you
Speaker 2: tell Willie mcginni's, hey, your only job, which a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys are getting all the money and all
Speaker 2: the hype, go get the quarterback. Willie mcginns will have
Speaker 2: a hundred sacks as well. And the same thing with
Speaker 2: Richard if you say, hey, just go get the quarterback,
Speaker 2: just get upfield. But he has so much other responsibility
Speaker 2: than the same thing with Willie. That they stats suffered
Speaker 2: for the for the greater good, and that was for
Speaker 2: team's success. And I think you know when you're talking
Speaker 2: statistically everyone that we all agree. And I'm gonna sit
Speaker 2: there and preach it right now, because I'm telling you
Speaker 2: that when you're out the game, people start looking at stats.
Speaker 2: If you're talking right now, everyone, we all agree that
Speaker 2: Darrell Reeves is a Hall of Famer, probably gonna go
Speaker 2: first ballot, at least from a football standpoint. But when
Speaker 2: you but but I'm saying, but when you look at statistics,
Speaker 2: because even when Ron you know, talked to me, like
Speaker 2: before you know I was even eligible, how many gap
Speaker 2: you know, they want to see, you know, fifty, you
Speaker 2: got fifty? Damn right, I got fifty. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But it's a certain criter from a stats standpoint,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But then you get a
Speaker 2: guy like Eric Allen, who's you know he has He's
Speaker 2: right up there, he has the numbers. Let's even talk
Speaker 2: about a Sante Samuel, he has fifty picks. But you
Speaker 2: got somebody like Darrell Reeves, who I hope that doesn't
Speaker 2: happen the same thing that's happened to Richard because he
Speaker 2: should be in right away in my opinion, because of
Speaker 2: the impact that he had on the field. So they
Speaker 2: pick and choose who they want, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: because and he's got like twenty nine picks or something, right, right, right,
Speaker 2: he has twenty nine, but it's not just forty five fifty,
Speaker 2: but how many people is going out there to throw
Speaker 2: at him? He did his job, you know, unlike many
Speaker 2: people out there in the game that can't play the
Speaker 2: game the way he did. So hopefully that that doesn't
Speaker 2: come back and do the same thing that is doing
Speaker 2: the Richard because I really think that statistically, because they
Speaker 2: don't see that one number is hurting you know, Richer
Speaker 2: in a sense. But at the same time, he is
Speaker 2: in the room, he is in the final room. It
Speaker 2: has been a couple of years, so obviously you know,
Speaker 2: Ron is doing a great job of saying, look, don't
Speaker 2: you can't just look at the stats with this guy.
Speaker 2: You can't just look at the stats with Darrel Revers,
Speaker 2: but some guys you can look at Rodney, see, so
Speaker 2: it has to be some politics in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: So Tyd, just one last thing on Revs. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the other thing and I don't mean this
Speaker 1: as any knock on Revers by any stretch of the imagination,
Speaker 1: because he's a great player and he's a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame corner. But I think where he played will have
Speaker 1: a tremendous influence on voters across the country. I think
Speaker 1: the fact that he was in in the number one
Speaker 1: media market in the league and in the country will
Speaker 1: go a long way. And I remember talking to Tip
Speaker 1: a little bit back in the day, you know that.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to I'm not trying to compare
Speaker 1: Tip in LT Okay, they're both Hall of famers, but
Speaker 1: Taylor was in that market. The Giants were Super Bowl champions,
Speaker 1: they were on TV every sing a week, and you know,
Speaker 1: Tip couldn't get arrested being on the Patriots with the
Speaker 1: dog teams that he was on, and that had an
Speaker 1: effect on Tippet's candidacy. I don't think there's any question about.
Speaker 2: It, right, Oh yeah, I mean I agree, you know,
Speaker 2: when you're in New York. Not for some players that
Speaker 2: may be lesser players, you know, in the scope of
Speaker 2: you know, we know who good and who's not. Darrell
Speaker 2: fit the bill when it came to being a top
Speaker 2: notch player as well. So yes, being in a top
Speaker 2: medium market, that's that's not going to hurt him when
Speaker 2: you're already a top player, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: So that can that can help you. But if Andre Tippett,
Speaker 2: uh yeah, he'll be probably be talked about like Lawrence
Speaker 2: Taylor as well, if he was in that market at
Speaker 2: the time. You know, New England wasn't you know, a
Speaker 2: great football team you know when he played, it is
Speaker 2: what it is. But like but when you start peeling
Speaker 2: back the layers and saying, you know what, if you
Speaker 2: talk about LT, and I think that was the argument,
Speaker 2: LT probably helped Tip get in. You know, if people
Speaker 2: want to say Champ helped me get in, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes it takes somebody else's success for people to
Speaker 2: start recognizing he this dude can play too, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So whatever, so whatever, it takes a
Speaker 2: little help. But being in that media market up there
Speaker 2: is definitely gonna help his chances. But I just hoped
Speaker 2: a few individuals really look at what he did, his
Speaker 2: impact on his defenses, and not just look at his stats,
Speaker 2: because I don't think Darrel Reepis's stats going to tell
Speaker 2: you the story of his career. I just hope he
Speaker 2: doesn't fall in that and I don't think he will.
Speaker 2: But you made a great point about being in New York,
Speaker 2: but he was also you know, the real deal.
Speaker 1: He transcends it. He doesn't need to be in New
Speaker 1: York to be a Hall of Fame, right, exactly. Right,
Speaker 1: So you mentioned there's two there's two my word laps,
Speaker 1: two laps this year Manning and what's in there going in?
Speaker 1: Count them in?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: That that basically means you got twelve guys playing for
Speaker 1: three spots.
Speaker 2: Right, Who's that? And that's the tough part because all
Speaker 2: twelve other guys, they have legitimate, you know, reasons, and
Speaker 2: they are that they should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Everyone has a legitimate argument, you know what I mean. So, yeah, personally,
Speaker 2: of course I think Richard Seymour one. Yeah, I could
Speaker 2: be biased because that was my teammate. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I look at football. You can't measure Richards
Speaker 2: by just stats alone. Talk to the other people that
Speaker 2: he played against, talk to the coaches, and he's been
Speaker 2: waiting there a couple of years already, just like I was.
Speaker 2: Those Super Bowls just didn't happen with Bill Belichick and
Speaker 2: Tom Brady. It was a lot of other guys I
Speaker 2: can play that should get recognition, and Richard Seymour is
Speaker 2: definitely one of those guys that, you know, should you know,
Speaker 2: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, I think,
Speaker 2: you know, Reggie Wayne would be somebody. Okay, he's waited
Speaker 2: a couple of years. You look at you know, his longevity. Statistically,
Speaker 2: he's ranked right there with every other Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: and he has a Super Bowl rain to go along
Speaker 2: with it. So I think Reggie Wayne because you got
Speaker 2: a guy like you know, Mega Tron coming in as
Speaker 2: dynamic as he was, and sometimes we just get to
Speaker 2: a point where it might be a little lock jam.
Speaker 2: So if Reggie had to wait and Megatron is coming
Speaker 2: in and we all know, you know, you know, he
Speaker 2: was Megatron for a reason. At the same time, play Detroit, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So and they weren't winning.
Speaker 2: Reggie Wayne has the numbers and he won, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I chose, you know, Reggie, not
Speaker 2: saying that Megatron isn't. But when it came to my vote,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, I think Reggie, you know, should get
Speaker 2: that opportunity to be in Hall van because he's already waited.
Speaker 2: And then and then you know, after that, I say,
Speaker 2: I got it. I've been in the room with for
Speaker 2: a long time, and I think he should get his
Speaker 2: just due was Alan Fanica. You know, I know Jared Allen,
Speaker 2: I know, I know he's gonna get in look.
Speaker 1: At the dB given some offensive lineman some love there
Speaker 1: like Alan Fanica.
Speaker 2: Alan Fanica, I mean he was a baller, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. He's he's waited around for quite some
Speaker 2: time now. I think, you know, he should get his
Speaker 2: uh just do because I'm telling you being in the
Speaker 2: room and you know, always getting a phone call year
Speaker 2: after year, and a lot of guys been in there
Speaker 2: a lot longer than me, so I can imagine how
Speaker 2: they might you know, be feeling. So it was a
Speaker 2: log jam, you know with the offensive linement because you know,
Speaker 2: I guess it's probably different, little bit of a different
Speaker 2: evaluation that goes.
Speaker 1: Into right, what are their status?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, So you know it probably was
Speaker 2: a little bit more. But think about it. This guy,
Speaker 2: you know, with the thousand yard rush he had, I
Speaker 2: think Alan Fanica is he's he got to get his
Speaker 2: just due to get in no disrespect to anybody. As
Speaker 2: I played with Jerry Ellen, I know that, you know,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he went first ballot, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm
Speaker 2: just saying as far as what my thinking was, you know,
Speaker 2: and who I chose, you know, that's where I went
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: So and by the way, by the way, one thing,
Speaker 3: so down in Atlanta, I'm sitting standing with Kevin Falk
Speaker 3: and he goes over to like we were, he was
Speaker 3: doing an appearance for it, and he goes over to
Speaker 3: like the Tensifaria there and he starts talking to this
Speaker 3: guy and I said, he goes.
Speaker 2: Overbody, go who is that?
Speaker 3: He goes, Oh, that's Alan Fanica. Guy looks like he
Speaker 3: weighs one hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 2: Pounds right now, and that's he should go to the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame on that alone. Because when you see
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, wait a minute, I had I'm like,
Speaker 2: I had to look it up. I'm like, he'll happen,
Speaker 2: you know, because he looks great now.
Speaker 3: He looks like a yeah, he lost the whole person.
Speaker 2: Yeah he lost absolutely, he lost the whole person. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know when he gets up there after
Speaker 2: they showed the highlights and when he walk over stage,
Speaker 2: you know, when that time comes, you know, hopefully is
Speaker 2: this year you know everybody will be like, who the
Speaker 2: hell was that on the on the jumbo drunk?
Speaker 3: Not from some perspective? Can you read the fifteen?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: I will, And then I wanted to kind of summarize.
Speaker 1: Maybe what I think I'm hearing is TI's point of view.
Speaker 1: The fifteen people who are finalists for induction for this
Speaker 1: year in the Hall of Fame alphabetically I'm reading him
Speaker 1: are Jared Allen defensive end, re Rende Barber defensive back,
Speaker 1: Tony Biselli tackle who's been there for a while as well,
Speaker 1: ty Leroy Butler played against you in Super Bowl thirty one, Fiannica,
Speaker 1: who you mentioned? Tory Holt greatest show on turf, Megatron,
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, John Lynch who's been around for a while,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning first ballot, Clay Matthews another guy who's been
Speaker 1: around for a little while, underrated linebacker, Sam Mills, Big
Speaker 1: C Richard Seymour, Zach Thomas, Reggie Wayne and Charles Woodson
Speaker 1: and so ty these are this is my impression of
Speaker 1: what you're saying. You're saying if I could summarize and
Speaker 1: if I'm right that these guys are all Hall of Famers,
Speaker 1: your point of view is, you know what, unless you're Manning,
Speaker 1: unless you're Woodson, and they're just the no doubt, no
Speaker 1: brainers of all time. If you've been in the room
Speaker 1: for a little bit, i'd like you're saying, I'd like
Speaker 1: to see those guys get in before somebody who hasn't
Speaker 1: been on the ballot. They've paid their dues maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit by by not getting in. Is that a
Speaker 1: fair thing to summarize what you're saying?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know what I mean, because like I said,
Speaker 2: everyone is deserving. But you know, unfortunately they only take
Speaker 2: five out of the fifteen, so and it depends on
Speaker 2: who's coming up next. A lot of it is timing
Speaker 2: as well, you know what I mean, because guess what,
Speaker 2: when you're doing a hell. As much as I love
Speaker 2: ron and he stood on the table for me, he
Speaker 2: ain't gonna have to do much for Tom. All you
Speaker 2: got to do is go up there. Tom Brady, dropped
Speaker 2: the mike and walk off.
Speaker 1: Good job, Ronnie Brady in the way you paid.
Speaker 2: Manning dropped the mic, Charles Woodson dropped the mic. Just
Speaker 2: walk off.
Speaker 3: By the way. By the way, I don't agree with
Speaker 3: you that I don't agree. I don't agree with you
Speaker 3: that all fifteen names are Hall of famers.
Speaker 2: Who you tell me who win in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think Tony was short. Tony Piselli
Speaker 3: played six years. That is that a Hall of Fame
Speaker 3: at tackle?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: Now I have to I don't have to talk to
Speaker 3: players who played against them who can tell. And I
Speaker 3: haven't done that research.
Speaker 2: In all fanners, right and and and in all fairness,
Speaker 2: I can't really judge. But so much as far as
Speaker 2: the offensive line play, you know what I mean? Uh?
Speaker 2: Like I said, when you you block for a thousand
Speaker 2: yard rushers like Alan Fanica, and you have running backs
Speaker 2: are in the Hall of Fame that you blocked for
Speaker 2: Jerome Bettis, Curtis Martin, you know what, and you have
Speaker 2: a longeviy like that. I think that that you have
Speaker 2: to have that as office alignment because stats don't Your
Speaker 2: personal stats are not going to do it. Part of
Speaker 2: me feels that unless you did something that is just
Speaker 2: totally amazing, like Patrick Mahomes. He can play five, six,
Speaker 2: seven years and you probably can still consider him, you know,
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer from what he's doing so early,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So I think that you
Speaker 2: should have a good amount of years to be considered
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. You know, you have to have
Speaker 2: some long jevy in it unless you did something that
Speaker 2: we just haven't seen before. But you know, like Barry
Speaker 2: sayders Hey, that minimum nine ten years, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: because you can put up a resume that warrants that.
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's been some great players that probably
Speaker 2: would have been had Hall of Fame careers that got
Speaker 2: injured and they just couldn't finish it off.
Speaker 1: Davis. There's a lot of debate about Tye and when
Speaker 1: I mean I was I.
Speaker 2: Was another finalist room with TV before, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, And you know, I thought for what he did,
Speaker 2: he was man who was a hell of a player.
Speaker 2: I mean he you know, he brought it down here.
Speaker 2: He got he got the three super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Rings, but he only had three seasons.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean he got two super Bowl rings, right,
Speaker 2: he got two rings, right. But that's the example. But uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the voters, you know thought and like I said,
Speaker 2: he was a hell of a player. Him and Curtis Martin,
Speaker 2: you know myself, we all came out the same draft. YEP.
Speaker 2: So you know I'm a huge TD fan. But you know,
Speaker 2: when you're in there at the moment because you want
Speaker 2: to get in too, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 2: had all those things across your mind. You know, I
Speaker 2: will never you know, a cup of bee said or
Speaker 2: anything like that. But at that time when we're both
Speaker 2: going at it, and you know, when he get in,
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, you know, I played double years, you know,
Speaker 2: as far as like my career, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and rings and this and that. So that was the
Speaker 2: spot taken that could have been. But that's just selfishly,
Speaker 2: you know, speaking what you think to yourself. But then
Speaker 2: when you think about, you know, Terrell Davis, what he
Speaker 2: went through, what he did for that city and playing
Speaker 2: through migraines and shit like that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know what, he's a real deal.
Speaker 3: Well, and no, I think the hard thing for us
Speaker 3: is is, guys, you never stepped on the field right
Speaker 3: when you talk about this stuff, you have to be careful.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to disrespect anybody. The guys that go
Speaker 3: out and put the paths out every week and knock heads.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have no right to say, you know,
Speaker 3: this guy's this and this guy's that. But when I
Speaker 3: compare and I look at and the writers are the
Speaker 3: ones picking this for the most part, Right, I look
Speaker 3: at Terrell Davis and he had three dominant seasons that
Speaker 3: were as good as anybody. Right, rushed for over two
Speaker 3: thousand yards, but it's three enough to get a gold jacket.
Speaker 3: I think that's where the debate comes in.
Speaker 2: That's all I mean, No, no, it is a you know,
Speaker 2: a debate you know when it when it comes to that,
Speaker 2: you know, as far as your career loan driven, I
Speaker 2: don't think. But he was so dynamic, you know, at
Speaker 2: the time, and he would be to day too, like
Speaker 2: a Gail Sayers, you know. And I don't think that
Speaker 2: he played no long a long time. But what he
Speaker 2: did on the field was stuff that people never seen before.
Speaker 2: And if you look at you know, some of the
Speaker 2: older guys, and I know, the game has changed in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. You can't just look at stats.
Speaker 2: How did they impact the game? And I think that's
Speaker 2: where you know into and I can't even say today's
Speaker 2: game because it's getting a little softer, But in the
Speaker 2: game we were playing, you know, what he did for
Speaker 2: his team, you know, was amazing, and you know it warranted,
Speaker 2: you know, Hall of Fame consideration that he got in, because,
Speaker 2: like you said, if it was only three you know, hey,
Speaker 2: they were some hell of five seasons and you know,
Speaker 2: he he got He was fortunate he played and in
Speaker 2: no telling what he would have done if he was
Speaker 2: able to play five or six more years.
Speaker 1: On top of that, well, one guy who I think
Speaker 1: we all agree won't have to worry, won't have to
Speaker 1: sweat it out, as you mentioned earlier, is the guy
Speaker 1: who's going to be quarterbacking on Sunday, Tie and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: In this region, I think there's a bit of angst
Speaker 1: going on. And is it safe to say, as a
Speaker 1: former teammate, there's no question who your rooting interest will
Speaker 1: be for on Sunday.
Speaker 2: You know what, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm going
Speaker 2: for Tom. You know that was my That's my guy,
Speaker 2: and you know I'm I'm right with Brady all day.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's my teammate for a lot longer than
Speaker 2: I was in Cansa City. I love Kansas City, had
Speaker 2: a great time up there, but hey, I wont Super
Speaker 2: Bowls with Tom Brady. You know what, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: a personal friend. So you know, as long as the
Speaker 2: Patriot's down in there, and Patriots was playing Tom Brady, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm going for the pay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But hey, he's still a Patriot as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna ride with him wherever he goes. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I paid played for Kansas City and got
Speaker 2: a hell of a check for it. But hey, and
Speaker 2: if Tom Brady wasn't in it, I'm going for Kansas
Speaker 2: City because I mean, I really enjoyed myself up there.
Speaker 2: The fans were great, Herman Networks. I mean, I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. But I got to ride with Tom, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Hey, I got a question for you, Ty. You know,
Speaker 3: there's been a lot made with Tom this week, and
Speaker 3: this isn't specific to him, maybe even more specific to
Speaker 3: your experience, But you have a when you play for
Speaker 3: a coach, okay, like you play for Bill Belichick and
Speaker 3: you have a certain relationship with the coach during that time,
Speaker 3: and then you walk away, what is the how does
Speaker 3: your relationship with the coach that might have been hard
Speaker 3: on you as a player change after you leave or
Speaker 3: after you retire, Like maybe maybe you could just speak
Speaker 3: to your experience with your relationship with with Bill Belichick
Speaker 3: now versus your relationship when he was riding your ass
Speaker 3: every day practice, right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, you you you grow a respect, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, because we're all competitive about it, and I
Speaker 2: think you know, whether you're a coach or you're a player.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of things get said in the
Speaker 2: heat of the moment when you know your intense, whether
Speaker 2: it's practice or the game. But no one takes it
Speaker 2: that personally, you know, because that's what they're supposed to.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to Roger, you know, as a competitor. You know,
Speaker 2: at least for me, I'm gonna bite back at you too,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, if I think I'm right.
Speaker 2: But you got to take the coach and they're there
Speaker 2: for a reason, so you know, it's actually if you
Speaker 2: have a mutual respect, it gets better. You know, it
Speaker 2: gets better when you're done because you can sit back
Speaker 2: and laugh and and it can help mold you on
Speaker 2: on on certain things and how you handle things. You know. Sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, There's been times where you know,
Speaker 2: me and Belichick, if we had to say some words,
Speaker 2: you know, he know, he know me just like I
Speaker 2: know him. You know, he gonna say what's on his mind.
Speaker 2: He knows I'm gonna say what's on my mind. I
Speaker 2: might not be like you know, the average player when
Speaker 2: it comes to that, but you know, there's always a
Speaker 2: mutual respect. And you know the fact that I can
Speaker 2: pick up the phone and call Bill and he'll pick
Speaker 2: it up, you know what I mean. I think that
Speaker 2: says enough as it is. And we have a great relationship.
Speaker 2: And we had a great relationship when I was playing
Speaker 2: for him too, because guess what, the only time me
Speaker 2: and Bill ever had a problem when it was contract time.
Speaker 2: That's the only time being Bill a never have a
Speaker 2: problem because he knew I was gonna give him all
Speaker 2: I got when I'm out there. I knew he was
Speaker 2: gonna coach me hard. We didn't have a problem then.
Speaker 2: It always we had a difference of opinion when it came,
Speaker 2: you know, to contracts, and he has to do what
Speaker 2: he has to do and I have to do what
Speaker 2: I have to do. And that's the only time, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's been all love ever since.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the moral to the story than ty, And
Speaker 1: maybe that's the thing that's so difficult for people to
Speaker 1: understand is that it is a business, you know, and
Speaker 1: when there's mutual respect, and clearly that was the case
Speaker 1: with you and Bill. You know, it has to be
Speaker 1: gratifying to you that today, as you just said, you
Speaker 1: can pick up the phone call and you know he's
Speaker 1: going to answer it. But when business was on the table,
Speaker 1: you guys handled business. You had to look out for yourself.
Speaker 1: He was looking out for the team. If you're mature
Speaker 1: enough to understand that it is just business, then that
Speaker 1: just makes things that much better once the time comes
Speaker 1: for you to come back into the fold. Is that
Speaker 1: a fair way to say it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And guess what I understood even though Bill had
Speaker 2: his way of going about if I understood what he
Speaker 2: was doing, so I didn't even you know, you can't wait.
Speaker 2: You can't help but to take it personally, because even
Speaker 2: though that might be not the intention, or maybe it was.
Speaker 2: That's why they call it negotiating. He might say something,
Speaker 2: not that this happened, but he might say something that,
Speaker 2: you know, poke your a little bit, you know, make
Speaker 2: you feel a certain way, so you know, take you
Speaker 2: out your game, make you think of it as personal.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But you know, as a competitor, you
Speaker 2: you don't want to hear anything negative. You don't want
Speaker 2: to hear what you didn't do. You know, what you
Speaker 2: put you know, the product that you put out on
Speaker 2: the field. But Belichick, he has an obligation, you know,
Speaker 2: to the team. As players, we have obligations to ourselves
Speaker 2: when it comes to this. And once we come here
Speaker 2: and we meet and we both agree on something, now
Speaker 2: we both are obligated to the team, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But when it comes contract time and you
Speaker 2: are up you're a free agent or you up for
Speaker 2: a renegotiation, that's where the separation happens. And guess what,
Speaker 2: that's just business. I think too many people go into
Speaker 2: it taking it personal. You got to take the personal
Speaker 2: out of it, you know what I mean. I think
Speaker 2: Belichick is one of the best in the business when
Speaker 2: it comes to, you know, telling you what you want
Speaker 2: to hear for the contract, or telling you what you
Speaker 2: don't want to hear, you know, whatever. He has to
Speaker 2: use his advantage. But that's this business to me, and
Speaker 2: I look at it and a that's genius, you know.
Speaker 3: And we can wrap up here. But I would just
Speaker 3: say that I always use your case as an example
Speaker 3: of that offseason where you guys had a little bit
Speaker 3: of a dispute and then as soon as you were
Speaker 3: re signed and or back in camp, it was business
Speaker 3: as usual. You would have never known anything happened between
Speaker 3: you two and the off season you're right back out.
Speaker 3: And I know it is that as an example of
Speaker 3: the business side versus the football side.
Speaker 2: Right absolutely, But I think you know, the player most
Speaker 2: of the time gets the bad rap, you know, more
Speaker 2: more than anything. You start to see a little bit
Speaker 2: now and they saying if you're a certain type of player,
Speaker 2: if you're looked at a certain way, you have more
Speaker 2: you know, power. But back then, anytime a player says
Speaker 2: they gonna hold out or they not getting enough, they're
Speaker 2: always the bad greedy or a bad person, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And it's not like that. So I'm finally,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm glad people are starting to catch up
Speaker 2: a little bit that it worked two ways.
Speaker 1: Ty can't thank you enough for joining us this afternoon.
Speaker 1: What are you going with there? Is that original or
Speaker 1: is that cucumber that you have in front of you?
Speaker 2: Oh? This is this is the original? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? This is the you know, the one that won,
Speaker 2: the original that's appreciated. Man. So this is the granddaddy
Speaker 2: of them all. To big, the big bottle, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. But my personal favorite is the qu cover.
Speaker 2: Like I say, put that with some lemonade called the
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Speaker 2: five o'clock, his on, right.
Speaker 3: So we need to work It's five o'clock somewhere somewhere.
Speaker 2: You're right right.
Speaker 1: We need to work with our sponsorship team to make
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Speaker 1: from the Past podcast. Unofficially, we at least can say
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Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, yeah, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta
Speaker 2: work on that. We gotta work on that. Love.
Speaker 3: I have peppermint downstairs, so.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hey, hey, put that with some little chocolate
Speaker 2: liquor or something. I'm trying to tell you, put it
Speaker 2: on that good. I have a white chocolate y'all about
Speaker 2: y'all about the baby, Go get a drink, y'all bottle.
Speaker 1: Baby Drake, love it ty. Thanks for your time, man,
Speaker 1: say all right.
Speaker 2: Thank you later.
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