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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie Answermatha. I'm not going to step

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Speaker 1: start our Monday many just want to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: put a content warning trigger warning here. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to go back into the hashtag me too stuff, specifically

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Speaker 1: with the brewery industry. So and of course we've got stories.

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Speaker 1: I know everyone has stories, but just in case this

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Speaker 1: ahead and put this here. Um may not be the

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Speaker 1: But like I said, we're not going to go into

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Speaker 1: are warned, audience. Okay, Annie, So I do have a

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Speaker 1: question for you for this Monday Mini. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: good question. Um, I think it must go at least

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, definitely in middle school because I didn't

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Speaker 1: blowjob was, and then somebody asked me he made like

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Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with that. But I didn't

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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about how different industries have been

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Speaker 1: And yeah, they got called out real hard, real quick,

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