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Speaker 1: I'm happy to finally get you on our show. Man.

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Speaker 1: You you the best point going out and played with you.

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Speaker 2: My favorite point guard to play with, man, so it's

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Speaker 2: only right to have you, hear it. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what took so long. I was waiting on Q, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know what took so long. I'm definitely we

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Speaker 2: should have been had mighty mouth. Yeah, I'm definitely excited

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Speaker 2: coming on. Rocking with us bro.

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Speaker 3: No man, glad to be here. You know.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited about this man, especially playing with you peeding

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Speaker 4: against Q. Hell, I got some questions for y'all.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league. Who was the

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Speaker 1: first person to bust your.

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Speaker 3: John Stockton dag yep, big them off. Yeah, yeah it was.

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Speaker 3: It was in Toronto. I was feeling myself. It was

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Speaker 4: I had some good games and he just wore me out.

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Speaker 4: They had like twenty seven and fifteen. I had like

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Speaker 1: But what he's just doing, he was just smart, smarter.

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Speaker 4: Just clever, tricking me, just coming down and picking me

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Speaker 4: apart like a surgeon with a scalpel. And I was

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Speaker 4: just getting more mad by the moment, and the more

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Speaker 3: Just starts serving me. You know.

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Speaker 5: Was his strength a big factor because people be sleep

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Speaker 5: that John Stockton was strong as shit.

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Speaker 3: So John was strong.

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Speaker 4: And he had big hands, and so you know, the

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Speaker 4: game was played different. So he never put the ball

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Speaker 4: in his left hand, first of all, right, And so

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Speaker 4: thing about John, he could hold you off with that

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Speaker 3: And that's you know he was. He was just strong.

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Speaker 3: And then he had old boy Malone setting the mean screams,

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Speaker 4: So naw, he was clever, he was strong. He just

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Speaker 4: outthought you. Now with that being said, you know, fast forward.

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Speaker 4: You know, as I got the Portland and my teams

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Speaker 4: got better, it became different.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Saying like people don't understand, like how you know, you

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Speaker 4: talk about some of the greats, but Stockton was, you know,

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Speaker 4: he was that dude that to me, you had to

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Speaker 4: you had to think it with him too. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: just gonna be no physical thing. You know, you might

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Speaker 4: have had more talent in him, but his mindset is

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Speaker 4: what allowed him to me to be the best that

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Speaker 4: he was.

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Speaker 5: I don't think nobody ever gonna take down his assists

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Speaker 5: record in the league. Nah, No, it's crazy. I don't

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Speaker 5: think it's gonna get touched like for real.

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Speaker 3: Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 5: We live on location at l Shawty Me and the

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Speaker 5: blackest one in the building. We came out here for

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Speaker 5: a special reason. A former teammate of.

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Speaker 1: Black yep, but my favorite point guard.

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Speaker 3: Hey, his favorite point guard.

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Speaker 5: But listen, he literally got that Toronto Raptor situation rolling

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Speaker 5: out there in tv dot first pick for them, number

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Speaker 5: seven pick overall. Now he's the head coach of Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 5: All you young players, boy, you point guards for show especially.

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Speaker 5: He needs some big mans and wings too. But you

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Speaker 5: know he a PG. I better come hollered him.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: We got Damon Stoudam out here and coach of g

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Speaker 5: taking the building. Appreciate you, Biggie for pulling up.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate y'all man. Glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: Presented by Sleeper.

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Speaker 1: Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: I had the opportunity to stay in Portland, like one

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Speaker 2: of the most beautiful places. I always tell people about

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Speaker 2: Portland of how colorful it was, like the grass looked

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Speaker 1: But I love Portland. How cool it was.

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Speaker 2: But you grew up in Portland, Oregon and your uncle

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Speaker 2: football career too as well as you start k.

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Speaker 3: I was solid quarterback and I was.

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Speaker 4: So so you know how it was. You know, So

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Speaker 4: my uncle's coached me and everything. My uncle is the

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Speaker 3: Like third fourth grade, and then in fifth grade.

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Speaker 4: You know, they had me playing Pop Warner. I had

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Speaker 4: you know, he coached. Yeah, he coached me in basketball,

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Speaker 4: so you know, I had the whole family thing going.

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Speaker 4: So it's typical football, right, So when you're young, I

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Speaker 4: You know, if it's seventy plays in the game, sixty

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Speaker 4: And then when I got to high school, what happened

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Speaker 3: And so I had a trip to Japan.

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Speaker 1: How the fuck you go to Japan freshman in high school?

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Speaker 4: Bro? So it was this program. I don't know D

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Speaker 4: Miles might remember it, this program in Portland. Remember self Enhancement.

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Speaker 4: So self Enhancement, Tony Hopson, ray Leary. They took a team,

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Speaker 4: it was about seven or eight of us. We went

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Speaker 3: And it was right.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to do football. And by that time

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Speaker 5: So turn out, had you ever been out of the state,

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Speaker 5: let alone the country when you went to Japan?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I had been out the state I played. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 4: So me growing up in Portland, my teams was always

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Speaker 4: you know, AU was real. It is what I like

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Speaker 4: it was only right, right, it was only eighteen. So

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Speaker 4: The crazy thing about it is a lot of dudes

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Speaker 4: these dudes since I was twelve or thirteen. I've seen

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Speaker 4: see Webb when he was young. I've seen Dog when

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Speaker 5: You know, people tried like, I don't know who the

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Speaker 5: he's just damn dude. That was one of the baddest

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Speaker 4: It's funny because I've seen land, you know, out here

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Speaker 3: I was like in my class, I was like, it's easy.

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Speaker 4: It was Webb and Dog, I said, And it wasn't

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Speaker 4: He was the smoothest six say six or nine dude

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Speaker 3: He was amazing.

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Speaker 2: You went seventy four and four in high school, that

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Speaker 4: And once I got back there to that camp, I

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Speaker 3: And you know a lot of times, you know, I understood.

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Speaker 4: I understood, like I won't even say the politics of it.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't from the standpoint, It wasn't more about them.

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Speaker 4: It was just like I felt like that I should

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Speaker 6: It was never a them thing. It was almost like.

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Speaker 4: Me being from Portland and what most people and so

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Speaker 4: what most people don't don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, a C. Green, he was from Portland.

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Speaker 4: But I would say, respectfully, the dude that made all

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Speaker 4: of us want to be that dude was Terrell Brandon.

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Speaker 4: And see, nobody really knew about about TV, right so

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Speaker 4: so TV, so TV coming from Portland. For me, TV

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Speaker 1: Because you was strong? Like, who told you weight room

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Speaker 3: Out here usc.

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Speaker 4: Hit five threes, nineteen point, had ten rebounds, had a

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Speaker 4: The crazy the crazy thing about the Pack is that, man,

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Speaker 3: Crazy, man.

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Speaker 1: Good Lord, I wish I came up in your time.

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Speaker 3: And then you think you had you know, you got Kareem.

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Speaker 4: Man, just the history most people don't know Paul Westfall

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Speaker 2: When you shared the Player of the Year with Ed O'Bannon.

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Speaker 6: We was winning, but it never felt right.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean people familiar with his game a fucking bucket

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Speaker 4: So you know it was just and then to play

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Speaker 5: When did you know, like at your junior year, when

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Speaker 5: This is the time for me to declare and forego

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 4: You know the crazy thing is I stayed four years.

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Speaker 4: See most people forget how about you left? Nah, I

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Speaker 3: To that check.

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Speaker 4: Well, if we ain't getting your game right, you never

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Speaker 3: if you do what you're supposed to do it.

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00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 1: Don't matter, you're gonna.

443
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 3: Be back then.

444
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you come in at twenty two. Now they looking

445
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 5: at you crazy. You're crazy, you're coming to the League

446
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 5: of twenty.

447
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,679
Speaker 4: But if you think about it, they will for the

448
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 4: ones that ain't good enough, but the ones that can play.

449
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 3: Man Desmond Bin came in and he just got a

450
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 3: big bag. I'll say this.

451
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,439
Speaker 1: His guys, they changed.

452
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 5: This guy is starting to get think about it because

453
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 5: like always, this is my biggest example with what exactly

454
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 5: what you're talking about Jaimie and Nelson.

455
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, cold want everything.

456
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 5: And they penalized him as a senior, saying you too old,

457
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 5: like all, like I didn't even know me or man,

458
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 5: now that's one of my dogs.

459
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 3: Now that's my dog.

460
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 5: But like I can vividly remember sitting at home watching

461
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 5: the draft and being pissed for him, and I felt

462
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 5: like I had got done like that just from being

463
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 5: a sophomore.

464
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at him like this the same ship.

465
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm getting mad.

466
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 5: I'm like, he just won every award, Like y'all kid me,

467
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 5: he won every award you could win. He was just

468
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 5: on tour picking up shit like and then like y'all

469
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 5: him dirty as the Saint Joes who nobody, And they

470
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 5: went and beat the shit out of everybody and won everything.

471
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 3: And was like that's when I knew.

472
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, like come on, bro, like this

473
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 5: ain't cool. I will agree with you. Now now it's

474
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 5: coming back around to like now it's like I don't

475
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 5: give fuck, I don't care.

476
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 3: Who how who is.

477
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 5: If they cold, they cold, We're just gonna take them.

478
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 5: Like now they're getting back to it. But like at

479
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 5: that point, it was all about potential, no disrespect. Six

480
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 5: eighty six y nine young lean's trying to find the

481
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 5: next team man and KG.

482
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 4: Well, if you really think about it, the game is

483
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 4: getting so cold right now, nobody really paying attention. I

484
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: mean I just I just this is all I study.

485
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: I study this every single day. And then again, like

486
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 4: I said, being in Boston, you just kind of, you know,

487
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 4: we would kind of just play fantasy basketball with stuff

488
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 4: all the time. But think about this, right they even

489
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 4: making it harder to go overseas. If you think about it,

490
00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 4: it has never been so infoption, the influx of international

491
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 4: players going to college. That's because overseas, those organizations is

492
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 4: trying to win so they not sitting on these guys

493
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 4: the same way.

494
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

495
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 4: So in certain instances, you can't go over there and

496
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 4: be a potential top five pick and be an international

497
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 4: player average five to six points, no more. They actually

498
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 4: want to see you do something, you know, and so

499
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 4: I do believe collectively that they get more from a

500
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 4: fundamental standpoint, because I think that.

501
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 3: They don't deal with what we deal with over here.

502
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 4: You don't deal with the social media, you don't deal

503
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 4: with all the aspects.

504
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 6: Like I say this all the time.

505
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: Most people are working on one on one to be

506
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 4: the best player on the team. But in order to

507
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 4: be successful in the development, you got to learn how.

508
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: To make end game reads.

509
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 4: You got to learn how to screen, you got to

510
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 4: learn how to play in space, You got.

511
00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,959
Speaker 3: To learn how to most importantly make an open shot rules.

512
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: And so that's the biggest thing where you watching now.

513
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 4: You got to be able to make a jump shot

514
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 4: and they just not even guarding.

515
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fundamental rules is big. I tell that's that's

516
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: the main thing. I tell the kids to be like, man,

517
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: you want to do all this fancy shit and these

518
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: fancy moves, but if you don't know the principles and

519
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: the fundamentals of the basketball game, it's hard for you

520
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: to skip that chapter and then go straight.

521
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: To I want to do behind the backs and all

522
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: that shit.

523
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: If you don't know the meaning of why you're playing

524
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: this defense or the meaning of every time if your

525
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: man is cutting, don't let them cut across your face.

526
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

527
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: If you don't know the fundamentals of everything, it's so

528
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: hard for you to be good.

529
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, right, so when you do

530
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 5: come out, how is it when you finally get to

531
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 5: the draft. The draft is in Toronto. They expansion teams

532
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 5: had team. This is the first time. And then like

533
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 5: you get picked by them, but the crowd wanted there,

534
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 5: Oh bannon, walk me through you you in the green room,

535
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 5: which the family you waiting and all of that, Like,

536
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 5: just walk me through that whole night. How it lit

537
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 5: up you're getting picked and afterwards when they when you're

538
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 5: seeing they wanted fucking ed O'Bannon, Like, just talk me

539
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 5: through that.

540
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 3: You know, when you've been in that green room.

541
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 4: You know again, most people don't know, Like you know

542
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: you're getting picked before the pig is call because the

543
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 4: cameras came, So them cameras coming.

544
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm doing my thing.

545
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 4: I'm getting my I'm getting my easter suit right just

546
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 4: you know, well my mama and I'm hugger first, and

547
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 4: you know.

548
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

549
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: And so they called my name, and you know, I

550
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 4: just kind of lean back like this, and I guess

551
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 4: the thing about it at that time, Man, it didn't matter.

552
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 4: They could have them booze ain't mean nothing. And you know,

553
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 4: I'm just like number one, I'm relieved.

554
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: To actually hum sometimes in the.

555
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 5: Recap, like yo, they was boof So did you even

556
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 5: notice in the actual moment.

557
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 6: So I didn't hear none of that. I didn't hear

558
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 6: none of that.

559
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 4: And so when I walked so by the time I

560
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 4: walked out, everybody was, you know, was clapping.

561
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 3: But my whole thing was that two things.

562
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 4: I was like, Man, I don't want to be lasted

563
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: up in here, so I hope I don't drop.

564
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 6: And man, just you know, just don't let me slip

565
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 6: or fall or nothing.

566
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 7: When I'm walking the walk, I said, you won't look

567
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 7: like like everybody ever know me about to see you.

568
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 7: Right now, I gotta swag the walk you got, you

569
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 7: gotta swag it, so I gotta feel cool, Like yeah,

570
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 7: that was definitely one of my thoughts.

571
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 3: But like I can't fall and I gotta workhouse.

572
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: Did you do?

573
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 4: I only did about four and you as well thought

574
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 4: of was highly touted and I did.

575
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: I did a workout.

576
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: Did you work out for Toronto?

577
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 4: I went to Toronto and we talked and then I

578
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 4: did like a body workout in the weight room like

579
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 4: they already had seen what they had seen.

580
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: Like sold off. Yeah, so Isaiah had.

581
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 6: So we had a game.

582
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 4: We played Michigan my senior year at Auburn Hills right

583
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: right there, that's you know, the tunnel is it is

584
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: a spot. That's where he watched his tunnel is the spot.

585
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 4: And so he was with Walker d. Okay, so Walker

586
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 4: d Russell was there too, and so Walker d Russell

587
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 4: and so and so, uh, you know, I'm warming up

588
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: and you know, doing my thing, and you know, you

589
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 4: just feel like somebody looking at you look tonnel. Yeah yeah,

590
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: So I seen him looking and you know, and it

591
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: was just kind of like I was catching them out

592
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: the corner of my eyes a lot, and I'm like, man,

593
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 4: you know, I'm trying not to look because I'm like, man,

594
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 4: that's the you know what I mean. And so you know,

595
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: we get back home and coach like, man, Toronto, you know,

596
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: be up here. You know, they coming out here and

597
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: they've been calling me a lot, and you know at

598
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 4: that time, you know, guy, it's a little you know,

599
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 4: it's not different.

600
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: But you know when you highly saw that they going and.

601
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 4: They're doing all they do diligence, you know, so they

602
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 4: come and they talking to all my people's and you

603
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 4: know I have some people from poor right right, So

604
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 4: you know, I seen him that I had a good game,

605
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: and Toronto did their homework. But Toronto I worked out for.

606
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 4: I worked out for Sacramento. At the last minute, I

607
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 4: worked out for Portland because if you remember, Portland had

608
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 4: moved up in the draft of eight. Portland was trying

609
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 4: to move up in the draft to get me. So

610
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 4: I went seven to Toronto. I had went home. I

611
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: was working out in Portland, and so I seen actually

612
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: seen Bob Woodson who was the GM at the time,

613
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: president GM of Portland, and he was like I seen

614
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: him driving downtown and he he like rolled down his

615
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: window and he said, I'm trying to come and get you,

616
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 4: you know, and then and then the other team I

617
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 4: worked out for. Man, this is a crazy story, you know,

618
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: but you guys are feel the story because y'all know.

619
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 4: So I worked out for the Clippers. So man, that's how.

620
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: So yeah, So I don't know. I don't know who

621
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 4: y'all had, Alvin, so y'all just missed at the time.

622
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: It was Bill Fitch, it was brew Big Jim Brewer

623
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 4: was DJ no, DJ was it was a cat named

624
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: Barry Hecker. I don't know if y'all know Barry, so Barry,

625
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 4: and then I can't remember the other assistant man. And

626
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 4: so we was watching film like they had me up

627
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: in there watching film, and I didn't really feel that

628
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: good at the time. And truth be told, I really

629
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: didn't care how it worked out for the Clippers because I.

630
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: Wasn't trying to know.

631
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: And so the thing about it at the time, I

632
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: was a little under the weather. We're watching film and

633
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 4: Fisch saying I'm too little d d All the time,

634
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Dan, in my head, I'm you know, I'm

635
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: respecting you know you're going to way you respect all

636
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: these dudes. Man. In my head, I'm saying man, you

637
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: coach tiny archiball though.

638
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like what you mean? You know?

639
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: But I didn't say it to him.

640
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 4: So then we go out on the court and they

641
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: was just nitpicking everything. I'm like, yeah, I'm like I'm good.

642
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: You know, it's cool. So they had this little drill.

643
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 4: There was a little some little ball handling drill, and

644
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: so I did the drill and then he was like, man,

645
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 4: that's all you got. He was like, Paul Richison did

646
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: it the fastest when he was here. Sounded like poor Richardson.

647
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 6: Huh.

648
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: I said, coach, ya, don't even do this type of stuff,

649
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: but let me do this one more time.

650
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: Blow that out. It was like, hey, it's fastest time

651
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: we had.

652
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: So then so then this true story to you to

653
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: ask him Rex Rex claiming y'all know Rex. So Rex

654
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: was the video guy at this time, right, So then

655
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: they talking about, man, you can't out shoot Rex.

656
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 6: So now I'm sitting here saying So I'm sitting here saying.

657
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: To myself, so, man, you mean to tell me I'm

658
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: at an NBA pre jazz workout, I'm trying to go

659
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: louder and y'all don't think I can't beat the video.

660
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 7: Man.

661
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: I was like, in my head, I'm like it's really

662
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: insultin but whatever, man, come on, let's play. We played horse,

663
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: you know, ran them off the thing.

664
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: And then we go to eat at the.

665
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: Houston's over there by the by this facility, and I

666
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: called my agent.

667
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: I said, man, I don't want to go here.

668
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: I said, man, I don't know what they doing. And

669
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 4: then Old Bill Blair we go out to eat and

670
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: he like, I don't know about these small guards and

671
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: I don't know about this, and I'm just sitting there

672
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: and I'm like, right, so and so then he was like, well.

673
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: How will you handle j alright? How will you coexist

674
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: with him? How will you do this? Da da da

675
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: da da?

676
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 4: And so Kevin McHale was hitting my leg up underneath

677
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: the table kind of like man, you know, and.

678
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 6: Then end up what ended up happening, what ended up happening.

679
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: If y'all remember, you know, obviously was flip end up

680
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 4: being the coach anyway, flips on you know, those are

681
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: probably a little thing.

682
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: Little nugget said. I ain't know what was going on.

683
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, man, white dude coming at me

684
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: like that.

685
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 4: And so I got, you know, the pre draft process

686
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: was was all interesting. But when I got to Toronto

687
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: getting back to what you was talking about, those cubes.

688
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: So when I actually seen a replay of the.

689
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: Draft that night, the guy in the back, you'll see

690
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: a guy in the back doing this, and you go

691
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: watch it and then you'll see a guy in the back, Like, Yes,

692
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: when I walked across the stage, that was the owner.

693
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: That was John Bittas.

694
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 6: So that's all that mattered, was he.

695
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: That was the only that was the only, the only

696
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: validation I needed. And shout out to the bit tolls

697
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: because that family, they really looked out for me.

698
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

699
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: And the thing about it what made what made been

700
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: up there in Toronto so nice as well as that

701
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: Zeke ran that ran it different. So like our families

702
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: used to go on trips sometimes and then like people

703
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: don't understand this, And you know John, like I said,

704
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 4: John took care of me. We had Alvin Robinson and

705
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: Alan Robinson was a good death for me. Yes, Willie

706
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: Anderson was a good vet. Tony Massenberg, so all them dudes,

707
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 4: you know, they knew the league, you know, so right,

708
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: and so what happened is is that he told me.

709
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: He said, you know John, he gonna go to Chicago

710
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 4: buying John out.

711
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: Da da da da dah.

712
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: So then probably about a week went by and then

713
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: he hit me up. He's like, man, come by the office.

714
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: So I go by the office and he said, man,

715
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: I got a deal on the table to trade, you know,

716
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: Willie Anderson and Tony Massenberg. He said, I got deals

717
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 4: on the table. He said, but I won't trade him

718
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: if you tell me not to. And I was like,

719
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: what you mean, man, Like you know what I mean.

720
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I'm just thinking that just you

721
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: get traded, you get traded. He was like, because when

722
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 4: I was a rookie in Detroit, they traded Greg Kelser

723
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: and Greg Kelser was my best friend on the team.

724
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: And he was at that and he was like, it

725
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: kind of fucked me up. I was kind of in

726
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: the fog for about two three weeks. Took me a

727
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: little time. And y'all know what I'm talking about. Sometimes

728
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: when dudes get traded, man, you.

729
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: Be kind of shook up. Yeah yeah, yeah, so you

730
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: be kind of shook up. So I was like, nah,

731
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: it's cool. You know.

732
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: The thing that made it easier that he said he

733
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: was trading Doug Christy, who is Seattle dude, who I've

734
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: known pretty much my whole life. And then Sharon Wright

735
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: who he was in our same class, ninety one class,

736
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: so I knew Rony, so that made it a little easier.

737
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: But I was like, man, this ran different, like respect,

738
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because dudes ain't just doing that. Man,

739
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: you y'all know how it go.

740
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So we into nicknames. You always want a

741
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: nickname when you make it to the league. A nickname

742
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: like kind of solidifies your superstar. Right, one of the

743
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: dopest nicknames I ever heard. And I used to watch

744
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: this cartoon. I don't know if you did it too,

745
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 2: but Mighty Mouse. I felt it. I felt it was

746
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: so perfect for you when you first heard mighty Mouse,

747
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: Like when did you first hear Midy Mouse?

748
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: And then I heard it actually I heard it actually

749
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: in college, but it took off when I got to Toronto,

750
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: and so unbeknounced to a lot of people again, like

751
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: it's so different, all the behind the sees stuff. So

752
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 4: you got Nike, I've sleep, but then you got Nike Canada. See,

753
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: people don't know that you got Night. So again I

754
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 4: was forgetting that I was in another country, but contracts

755
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: still the same contract of contracts. So but you're doing

756
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: I'm doing different things in the States and what I'm

757
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: doing in Canada.

758
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 6: So it just kind of took off.

759
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 4: And shoot, truth be told, man, I think it was Viacom,

760
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: that Viacom money boy. If they weren't asking so much,

761
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: that probably would have took off even more. But you know,

762
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: it's it's a lot of logistics to all that, you know,

763
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: because that's that's trademarking, you know what I mean. But

764
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: you know, the kind of took off, and man, it's

765
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 4: just it's stuck with the fans. You know, it's stuck

766
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: with the fans. And I think you know, the fans

767
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 4: that it was synonymous with them and all the little

768
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: kids and and everybody, because it's crazy because I got

769
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: Mighty Mouse. But then like all the homies called me

770
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: Biggie and so that nickname. So how that nickname came about.

771
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: We had got to a city and I messed with

772
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 4: him selfish of them, but but but it helped me out.

773
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: Sal gave it to me John Sally, So you know,

774
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 4: again what they don't do today. Man, Remember how we

775
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: used to have to go and get the bags off. Man,

776
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: we had to get the bags off the plane. We

777
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: had to drop them off. But we had went to

778
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 4: New York. John wanted to go out. So John was like,

779
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: he ain't carrying no bags day we out. Yeah, the liver,

780
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: we ain't doing it, he said. Nah, he said, Man,

781
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: Biggie ain't carrying nothing. He carry us on the court

782
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: carrying nothing.

783
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: This is Biggie right here.

784
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: And man, it just stuck.

785
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 3: It just stuck. It's stuck.

786
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: So you like better, Biggie as.

787
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: I've gotten older, Biggie, what.

788
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: Made you wanna get the tattoo? Because the tattoo like

789
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: solidified the Mighty Mouse.

790
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 6: I mean, you know it was part of the image.

791
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 6: It was part of the image.

792
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 5: They told me that you you went from finding out

793
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 5: that you was being booed on Draft night in Toronto

794
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 5: to now you got to nickname the city rocking with you.

795
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: You going to the All to the Rookie Y'all Star game.

796
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 5: You got rookie, I mean you got MVP of that

797
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: and now you about to get Rookie of the Year

798
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 5: as a seventh pick.

799
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: Tell me, like how that was when you.

800
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 5: Like, cause you know you can kind of at that point,

801
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 5: you know, you in the running of it and all that,

802
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 5: but like just to come that far from day one,

803
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 5: they boring to now you the toast of the town,

804
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 5: they rocking with you. Like, how was that for you

805
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 5: to see that whole switch? And like, by the end

806
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 5: of your rookie year, how was you looking at the

807
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 5: league and everything you had done?

808
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: I felt like it was it was at my disposal. Yeah,

809
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: you know, by that time, I was comfortable in the city.

810
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: You know, I knew everything about the city. I was

811
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 4: an international star, you know, and so that's what made

812
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: it so special. So when I moved around, you know,

813
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 4: they treated me as such, and so everywhere I went

814
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 4: it was always a crowd.

815
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: It was.

816
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: It was just different, you know what I mean. And

817
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: so I never take that for granted. You know, Toronto

818
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: today has grown so much, but back then, it was

819
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 4: just the fact that I would say this because I

820
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: heard Lebron say this about the end season turney Man.

821
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 4: You can get a whole bunch of other people, but

822
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 4: there's only one first. And so the thing about it is,

823
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter pretty much. The majority of the Canadian

824
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 4: NBA players that were Toronto Scarborough all those areas show

825
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: love all the time.

826
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: Then yeah, you know, Dre, it don't matter whoever.

827
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 4: It is like when I see people from t O,

828
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 4: like you know, they grew up on me use the

829
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: first and so for me, like I wear that with

830
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 4: a badge of honors. So it was, you know, it

831
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: was that time. And then finally hoistened up that trophy.

832
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: I felt like that was the city's trophy, you know,

833
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: because back then they still had the Vancouver Grizzlies. Yeah,

834
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: so it was the city's trophy, you know, And you

835
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: know it was a great moment.

836
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: Man had a ball and you know, like I say,

837
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: the city really embraced me.

838
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 5: You just talking about your relationship with Zeke. Was it

839
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 5: coincidental or did it coincide the same like once once

840
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 5: he when he resigned as the vice president you demanded

841
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 5: the trade.

842
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: You was like, I'm out of here? Was that?

843
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying with that, Like I mean,

844
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 5: like you said, we know how shit go, and you

845
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 5: saw how Zeke was moving and particularly moving with you

846
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: and keeping included that.

847
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 3: You see, like.

848
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 5: No, I don't be around for what the hell possibly

849
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 5: might go on right now? I need to get on.

850
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 6: It was a shift.

851
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 3: It was a total shift.

852
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: That what I would say is is now that I

853
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: look back on it, you let emotions go away. You know,

854
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: you I probably should have stayed because without me knowing,

855
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: I was still in control.

856
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

857
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 4: You know, you're just not thinking about it like that.

858
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: You're like, man, I'm a little to my guy, my guy,

859
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I don't need to be here.

860
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: I can fast forward, you know, I can fast forward

861
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: with my career.

862
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: So it did.

863
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 4: It kind of threw me off because again, like, man,

864
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: it has somebody that you could talk to every since that, Like,

865
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: people don't understand that, and so and so. Then what

866
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: happened is is that I had got traded to the

867
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: Houston in Rockets. So people don't know this stuff. So

868
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: what happened was I got traded to the Houston Rockets.

869
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: It was me, Carlos Rogers, Walt Williams, and we got

870
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: traded for Kevin Willis, Mario Ellie, Matt Maloney. I want

871
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 4: to say it was one more dude than the trade.

872
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 4: It might have been Matt Bullet or whatnot. And so

873
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: I had talked to Charles, I had talked to Clyde

874
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: Robert bar was with them at that time, and I

875
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: had talked to Carol Dawson and so this thing was done.

876
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: They took me out of Shoot Around.

877
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 6: I go home.

878
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I'm going down here, be playing

879
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: with Clyde, be playing with Dream.

880
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: I wanna be playing with Barkley. YadA, YadA, YadA. Man.

881
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 4: They called me back like about four hours later and

882
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 4: they say, we're not doing the deal because it's being

883
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: better off of Stone out there. And I was like what.

884
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 4: I was like, man, that make it makes sense. So

885
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 4: now you're saying I got traded y'all. Actually you know

886
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: it's out there. And now you're saying, y'all calling me

887
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 4: saying come to the game, and so.

888
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 6: I gotta go.

889
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 4: So I'm like, y'all want me to come to the game,

890
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: come and play. And that's when I was like, man,

891
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: this is just straight up business.

892
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: Now.

893
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 4: I went out there, we played Sacrament I had thirty six.

894
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: But the thing about it is it's like it was

895
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: a little bit of trust lost there. But at the

896
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 4: same time, now that I look at it big picture again,

897
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: I should have stayed. And Glenn Grunwald at that time,

898
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: how can you actually do something when you when you're

899
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: playing from a position of what he was playing in.

900
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: You got your best player don't want to be there.

901
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: You're not playing in a position of power.

902
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: And it's a fairly new team, right, And.

903
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 4: So what I didn't really look at big picture was

904
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 4: was what could have been in the future. T Mag

905
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 4: was a rookie. You know, he was gonna hit his stride, yeah,

906
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: coming and then but see people forget and I say this,

907
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: you know, you know, I don't know how they would

908
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: have did it, what it would have looked like. But

909
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 4: what if I were the stay? Then you got Mac

910
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: and so you still have Marcus Canby. Forget about Marcia.

911
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: That's so you still have So you had Marcus, and

912
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: then you draft Vince. So you just keep drafting, you know,

913
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: and you just kind of let it play out. Our

914
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: issue in Toronto, the Toronto is never issue. Was never

915
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 4: the drafting part. They hit runs for what they needed

916
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: to do. It's just yeah, it's just we all, you know,

917
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: we all got.

918
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 5: Out knowing that you was part of that first ever

919
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 5: franchise to come to Canada, and you was the first

920
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 5: star they had. You know what I'm saying, the first

921
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 5: MVP of all Star games and stuff like that. Looking

922
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: at what the Canadians are doing now, like the type

923
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: of talent they produce, and do you feel like a

924
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 5: direct connection to like inspiring some of that, Like you say,

925
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 5: everybody show you love, but like what you got to

926
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 5: know is that them dudes, the Shade gillis all these

927
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 5: dudes like like superstars in the league right now, Like

928
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 5: it all started pretty much with them watching the Raptors

929
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 5: and what you you were the first rendition of what

930
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 5: a star was somebody out there being a dude, Like

931
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 5: how do you look at that now? And like cause

932
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 5: it's been like an uprise and they got some boys

933
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: coming out of Canada, like whatever part of Canada you

934
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 5: want to say, whether it's Toronto surrounding, you know, Lou

935
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: dort is from Montreal, but all of that's like they

936
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 5: had to have seen, whether it was the Grizzlies being impactful.

937
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 5: But like you were probably the biggest first star on

938
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: either of the Canada team. So what do you think

939
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: when you see this overflow of talent And a lot

940
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 5: of people give some credit to Vince too, but like

941
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 5: you were.

942
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 4: The first Now I think I was the first star.

943
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 4: I would say, what Vince did. He became the first

944
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: superstar like that the first start and Vince was the

945
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: first superstar. He took it to another leve level. But

946
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 4: seeing guys like Shaye and you know, Jamal, you know,

947
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: just all those dudes, Lou Dork, Tristan, Corey, Joseph, like

948
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 4: all these dudes like I remember when Corey and Tristan

949
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 4: played on the circuit, was playing for Roll Russell. Everybody

950
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 4: know Roll Russell, Roll Russell here, you know, here here

951
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 4: a Canadian legend. So I mean just the fact that

952
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 4: you know, I've been able to see a lot of

953
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: these dudes evolved. But then you know, go back and

954
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: be able to tap into the Toronto market. You know,

955
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: my starting you know, my starting point guard here Tech

956
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: you know he's from Toronto.

957
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

958
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: So you know we so we you know, yeah, so

959
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: you know, Toronto you know, has been good to me,

960
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 4: you know, in more ways than one. And I do

961
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: think it's a lot of good ball players, you know,

962
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 4: not only in Toronto, but throughout the you know, the provinces,

963
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: you know, because see they got they got a.

964
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 3: Little different things.

965
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: See people, you know, again, there's a lot of similar

966
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 4: but there's different, but it's a lot of differences all

967
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: at the same time.

968
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: And I went to Montreal for the first time in

969
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: my life this year.

970
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 5: You know some French listen, I had no clue that,

971
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 5: Like Montreal is like a French town. Bro Like I

972
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: went with the NBA Candada series when OKC played Detroit

973
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 5: because lou Dort is from there, probably his only time

974
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 5: ever to get to play in front of his home crowd.

975
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: But like it was crazy, you laying like stuff.

976
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 5: Is in French men you this that and the thirties

977
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 5: in French, like the most most of the populations speak

978
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 5: in French. Yes, I was in all that. I didn't

979
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 5: know that. Literally, that was like my first time of

980
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 5: being in mon trouble. I had no clue of that. Me,

981
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 5: Derek Fisher and Rip went out there for that. I

982
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 5: was like we was blowing both one of us knew that,

983
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 5: Mew or Rip, Oh.

984
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no. It's a great country though.

985
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 4: But you know now the Canadians, man, the fact that

986
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: you know they're doing what they doing arguably shake Gil

987
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: Chris Alexander.

988
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: He's one of the best players in the NBA.

989
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 4: You know, Tip five and I mean, dude, it is

990
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 4: so top five for sold smooth with it.

991
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: Man, he's just and then he's sneaky athletic, Yeah, sneaky.

992
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Hey tell me this. How was it when you found out.

993
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 5: I'm going home. I'm going back to the peak time?

994
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 5: Like and they had some players that way? No, you like,

995
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 5: like what was your love with excitement? Just to be

996
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 5: getting a chance to be at the crib because it's

997
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 5: dope as Toronto wiz. We know it still can be

998
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 5: a hassle for family coming and going to the customs

999
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 5: or whatever, but like, how was it for you? I

1000
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 5: mean not just to be coming back to stay, but

1001
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 5: you're going home, you going to the crib?

1002
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: How was that? You know what? It was cool? You know?

1003
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: I remember we was in New Jersey.

1004
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 4: We was playing the nets when I got the call,

1005
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: and so I go fly back to Toronto, pack my stuff,

1006
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: and you know it's the NBA, A lot of the

1007
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: stuff that people don't know. We go back pack my stuff,

1008
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: we fly out, get to Portland. It's kind of funny though.

1009
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: So I get to Portland, right man, and I got.

1010
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 6: Some characters on my team.

1011
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: Man, I walk in.

1012
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 6: I don't think nobody had on the practice gear.

1013
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 4: J r.

1014
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: Had on the football shirt, a right man.

1015
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 4: She she had on the skull cap, been to the

1016
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: side man.

1017
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 3: Everything, all of the practice.

1018
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know I get there, man,

1019
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 4: I'm excited.

1020
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: I'm just smitty. Smitty wasn't there.

1021
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 6: So when I first went, So, when I first got

1022
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 6: the Portland, it was she.

1023
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: J R. It was it was a Simonis Sobers. We

1024
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: had jo young boy, that's my daughter. We had b G.

1025
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 6: Brian grag We had out on listed. We had Benny ask.

1026
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: You, yeah, we had we had we had D'Antonio Wingfield, Wingfield.

1027
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 4: So we we had some dudes. Man, we haven't listen.

1028
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: The one thing I say when I went home is

1029
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 4: that going home ain't for everybody. That what I was

1030
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 4: say what I would say. And so I enjoyed every

1031
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 4: minute of it. But I enjoyed being around my team

1032
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 4: and the things that we did together. But I would

1033
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: be lying now it's all said and done, if I

1034
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: didn't have some type of regret and thinking about what

1035
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: could have been had us stayed in Toronto. You know

1036
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And you know it is what it

1037
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 4: is because I don't think about it all the time.

1038
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: It don't I don't stay up at night thinking about

1039
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 4: it like that, because I still had great bonus. I

1040
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: was able to make some bread, I was able to,

1041
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 4: you know, do a whole lot of things that I otherwise.

1042
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: Wouldn't have been afforded really been afforded to do.

1043
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: But I would say, you know, I do I do

1044
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 4: think about that because I get asked a lot of

1045
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: times people.

1046
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 6: You know, you get asked a lot of questions.

1047
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: But what if you stayed trountle with you know, it's

1048
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 4: just like, man, what what if it's in the hypothetical?

1049
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: But at the same time too, you know, I do

1050
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: think about it.

1051
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: I played with some good dudes, you know that one

1052
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 4: doing Portland from like ninety eight to oh two.

1053
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: We was really good.

1054
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: And then I think by the time like d Miles

1055
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 4: had got there, we was in transition, Like you can

1056
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: feel it.

1057
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 5: Why did they call y'all the jail blazers? Like I

1058
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 5: saw she speaking on this the other day. I don't

1059
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 5: know if it was on a party. Well he was like,

1060
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 5: we never whatever. They called us this and that, but

1061
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 5: like nobody actually ever got arrested and went to jail,

1062
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 5: Like what was the original origin of that name?

1063
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: So I think it was the times, and I think

1064
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 4: that speaking for me, some of it I brought, you know,

1065
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 4: I brought, and then some of it I brought on myself.

1066
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: But what I would say is is that as you

1067
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 4: fast forward to where we at in the world today,

1068
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 4: it was just yeah.

1069
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 6: Okay, do you wish you could get those moments back?

1070
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 4: Of course, but man, the stuff that's going on today

1071
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: compared to back then, it was just like we followed

1072
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 4: the error in Portland that was not a missed with excellence,

1073
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 4: so to speak. You had, you know, Clyde Dreckse to

1074
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: Terry Porter, you had those really good teams, Duckworth, drum Curzy,

1075
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 4: you know, dudes that I knew, and they were just

1076
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 4: totally different than us, and so and so what happened

1077
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: is is that as things changing, you know, you get different.

1078
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: Dude.

1079
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: Dudes ain't traditional there it is. And so I think

1080
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 4: that that threw everybody off. I just think it threw

1081
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: everybody off. And I think that us being in Portland,

1082
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: which is which is a smaller city, all you can

1083
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 4: talk about, that's all you could talk about, and everybody

1084
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: was living through.

1085
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: You know, you know what I really think the jail

1086
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: Blazers thing. Because I got there on the back end

1087
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: of it, I felt like it was just a trend.

1088
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: It was a trending thing for the reporters and the

1089
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: media to just blame it all on the Trailblazer's team

1090
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 2: instead of like embracing it like they was a good team.

1091
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: So what it made is players beat rebellious towards the

1092
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: city and the media to be like, man, you know what,

1093
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: fuck y'all, I don't care. I'm head of who soon

1094
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: as the season with them out.

1095
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: In d minds. You make a great point.

1096
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 4: So what I think happened is is that you know,

1097
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: it was alienation on both sides, but nobody's seen the

1098
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: big picture. And so every time they when I say

1099
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 4: they the media, because I've talked to the media, you know,

1100
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 4: the same guys that was writing stuff, you know, and

1101
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 4: you know, we all right now, we all right. But

1102
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 4: it's because they can see a perspective that they didn't

1103
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 4: see back then.

1104
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 3: And so my whole thing to them is that, man.

1105
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 4: Dudes got families, dudes got kids, y'all writing like we're

1106
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 4: killing people out here, And I was like, man, that's

1107
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 4: not cool. You know, you're making dudes not want to

1108
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 4: be here the way y'all view us in the city,

1109
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: the people on the out side love us.

1110
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 6: So when you're killing us, you actually killing the brand.

1111
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 6: You just don't know it.

1112
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: We went on a stretch, I think it was like

1113
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: a month stretch. I got there and she was there

1114
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: for like a month. The best team I ever played

1115
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: on in the NBA. For that one month we had

1116
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: she that centers zbo at the foe.

1117
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: We was rolling you and da at five.

1118
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: I think we won like nine out of twelve or

1119
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: something like that on this then we beat top team.

1120
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: To see she leave because you know, when I got there,

1121
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 2: she was like, be mile, I'm out this bitch. There's

1122
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: nothing they can do. Either they lose me for the

1123
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: money or they just let me go. And that's all

1124
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: he kept on saying the whole time was that. But

1125
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: then he leaves and go and win a championship after

1126
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: him leaving it and you seeing, you know, because you

1127
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: had this bond with she because she's just such as

1128
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: good person. But seeing the wars that y'all went through

1129
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: before with the Lakers and San Antonio and the Utahs

1130
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: and the Sacks and the Minnesota or whatever, to see

1131
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: she leave there and win that championship. How was that

1132
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: for you to see that all transpired, knowing the wars

1133
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: that y'all went through, that y'all was just as good

1134
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: as these teams to win the championship.

1135
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 4: I mean I was happy for him, you know. I

1136
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 4: was happy for him because by the time he left,

1137
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: they had cast him to be just this villainous guy

1138
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, that's totally not who he is,

1139
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 4: you know, and part of me.

1140
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: And I've told him this. I mean, I felt like

1141
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: I won one and he won one, you know.

1142
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: Because when he got tried never forget, I remember like

1143
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: it was yesterday, because you know, he came and we

1144
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 4: lived right by each other. So you know, I'm damn

1145
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 4: the tearing up. I played with dude for eight years. See,

1146
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: people don't really like I played like this is one

1147
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: of my real friends. And so when I seen him

1148
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: get traded, I was like, man, here's one thing to

1149
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 4: talk about.

1150
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 6: Man, it's over, but it's like it's really over.

1151
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: I was the last dude left from those things, and

1152
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 4: that's all I used to say, Like, man, I'm the last.

1153
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 3: Dude here, the last one here.

1154
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 4: And so you know, to see him win that title,

1155
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 4: like he deserved it. He deserved every bit of it.

1156
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that like.

1157
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: It showed what he brought to the table.

1158
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: That's why I was happy to him, because he was

1159
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: kind of he used to get over shadowed by the

1160
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: Weber and KG, but he brought so much to the

1161
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: table that wasn'n't on the status shit, you.

1162
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, No question, I think, And.

1163
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: I was salted because I felt like that Detroit team

1164
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: was our team. Like they had all the rebounders, we

1165
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: had shooters, we had the point guard. We had When

1166
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: you see the makeup of their team, it was like

1167
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: the makeup of our right.

1168
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: Right, things had settled in like when you had got there,

1169
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 4: like it was I remember it almost like it was yesterday,

1170
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 4: because you came in midweek.

1171
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: You came in like midweek.

1172
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: It was a couple other moves that we made, and

1173
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 4: so once the team settled in, we was we was

1174
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: rolling and crazy thing about it.

1175
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 6: It was always about that time we started rolling as

1176
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 6: a team.

1177
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 4: Anyway, we never started off fast for whatever reason. I

1178
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 4: think one year we started off FA but we were

1179
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: rolling and then he gets traded and then we get

1180
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 4: reef and then you're trying to rework somebody in.

1181
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 6: It's hard to work dudes in.

1182
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: Man, they sure came.

1183
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 4: It was just you know, and it's just, man, things

1184
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 4: is going. I think then D Miles and had surgery,

1185
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 4: z Bo had surgery. Man was we was plugging in

1186
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: ten day dudes, and it was just man, it got

1187
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: it just.

1188
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's the NBA.

1189
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 4: So when I tore my knee up, I didn't feel

1190
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 4: it in here no more like when you tell your

1191
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 4: knees up and you my size, ain't you thirty two

1192
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 4: years old?

1193
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: It's like, man, I just you know.

1194
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 4: So it was like, man, I gotta find something else, right,

1195
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 4: you know, I started coaching early. I didn't take no

1196
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 4: time off, so I hed. I coached D Miles for

1197
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 4: that year in Memphis. But but the thing about it

1198
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 4: is is that I gotta find something else.

1199
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 3: And so what they did was they drafted.

1200
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 4: Mike conleyhis I'm sorry. We drafted in Memphis. The next

1201
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 4: year Kyle Lowry. Then after that we drafted Mike Conley.

1202
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: You got those two dudes, you got me. And so

1203
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 4: what I realized at that time is that I can

1204
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 4: do one of two things. I can make it about

1205
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: me or be mad, I can help these dudes, right,

1206
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 4: And so the vest that I grew up with, you know,

1207
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: the vest that I grew up with, you know, Sean

1208
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 4: Rooks going back to college, Seawan Rooks.

1209
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: Took care of me and my rookie I mean, my

1210
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: freshman year.

1211
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 4: Rooks came by, He picked me up, He gave me rise,

1212
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 4: He showed me everything that Tucson Arizona had to offer.

1213
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: He told me who to talk to, who not to

1214
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 4: talk with, who to deal with, who not to deal with,

1215
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 4: where you can go eat.

1216
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 6: For free, all that, right.

1217
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 4: So John Sally did the same thing for me, was

1218
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 4: what what Sean did for y'all's rookies. You know, John

1219
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 4: took me out. John taught me how to be a pro,

1220
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And so at that time

1221
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 4: with Mike, with Mike and Kyle, I seen what was

1222
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 4: coming because organizations they gonna let it play out. They

1223
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 4: not really gonna worry about whether whether this come between

1224
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: y'all or whatever. And so I was like the first

1225
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 4: thing I did, you know, because Kyle called, never forget it.

1226
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 3: He called the moment they drafted Niggy.

1227
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 4: I can't believe they drafted Mike con man, young fella, man,

1228
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: relax man, you know. And so what I did, we

1229
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: got the trading camp and we went to Spain. We

1230
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 4: went to Spain this year because power, you know, was

1231
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 4: you know, obviously from Spain. And so I pull them

1232
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: both in and I say, look, man, here's the deal.

1233
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 4: I'm just here mentoring y'all the moment. Y'all ready, they

1234
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 4: either gonna move me, I'm just not gonna play no more.

1235
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 4: And I'm alright with that. But this is what I

1236
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 4: need y'all to do. Don't let the business of basketball

1237
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 4: mess your relationship up. Because both of y'all gonna be

1238
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 4: good players, the organization gonna.

1239
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: Have to pick one.

1240
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 4: That's just what it is. They gonna pick one. The

1241
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 4: other gonna get traded. And that don't mean that the

1242
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 4: one to get traded not gonna be a good player.

1243
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 4: But don't let the business of basketball mess up your relationship.

1244
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 4: Compete inside the lines, but when y'all get outside the line,

1245
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 4: let that shit go, man, because y'all young, and y'all

1246
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 4: got a whole lot going on on. And so for me,

1247
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 4: like that's when I started coaching without without knowing it.

1248
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 4: And so it got to the point that before I

1249
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: actually went to San Antonio, miss season.

1250
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 6: I would just go into the coaches room because you

1251
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 6: already know what.

1252
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 4: It is, right because you've been in those meetings when

1253
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: you got a good vet on your team. The coaches

1254
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 4: be in the meetings and they be on eggshells, say like, man,

1255
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 4: we really don't want to play Dame Night, but man,

1256
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 4: we got a plan because you know Dave, he'd been

1257
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 4: a good soldier for us. I used to go up

1258
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 4: in the meeting, don't worry about me, to dog my

1259
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 4: knees killing me. Man, play these young fellas. You don't

1260
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: even gotta you don't even gotta, you don't even you

1261
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 4: don't even gotta worry about them little hot twelve minutes,

1262
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: y'all giving me decision and so yes, and so then

1263
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 4: what ended up happening that went to, hey, man, why

1264
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 4: don't you come up?

1265
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: You know what?

1266
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 4: So you know a lot of times what I used

1267
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: to do, is it just you you can see a

1268
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 4: little like you gotta have a feel for it. The

1269
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 4: customers serve is part of it is so important. It's

1270
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: even when I got with with d Miles in them

1271
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 4: because the GRIZ was a joke at that time.

1272
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 6: It was a bunch of bs going on. It wasn't right,

1273
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 6: you know, they just let go.

1274
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 4: Of a Varni train came in and it's like the

1275
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 4: inmates was running in side. And so I'm like trying

1276
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 4: to tell all these dudes man like, at the end

1277
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 4: of the day, man this man, it's the end of

1278
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 4: the road, doug You if it don't work right here,

1279
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 4: then this might be the last list, you know what

1280
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And so I'm like, man, quit tripping on

1281
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 4: what ain't happening and make yourself valuable. What's your value

1282
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 4: to this organization? And so that what I try to

1283
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 4: say to all the all the dudes, that's you know,

1284
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 4: still trying to trying to play the older guys because

1285
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 4: the reality of it is is they'd rather take a.

1286
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 6: Flyer on these young guys. But you do need old

1287
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 6: guys in the frame.

1288
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: But you got But but what happens is you got

1289
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 4: to get outside yourself. And how I seen it and

1290
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 4: how I was able to get back and I was

1291
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 4: just open minded to it. It's a lot of stuff

1292
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 4: that can piss you off, it's a lot of stuff

1293
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 4: that can make you mad. But what I realized, if

1294
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 4: you going there and you still want to learn, you

1295
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 4: open the learning.

1296
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 3: You can get better too.

1297
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 4: You can still get better because nobody's going to ever

1298
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 4: diminish what you know and what your work is as

1299
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: long as you know who you are.

1300
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: Right, let me ask you this.

1301
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: You don't put your work in coaching staff for you

1302
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: to deserve a head coach job.

1303
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: You can put a lot of work in in the NBA.

1304
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: What was it about Georgia Tech that it was like,

1305
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: That's where I want to go, That's what I want

1306
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 2: to do. You put all this work in as an assistant,

1307
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: you know, usually when you're putting the work assistant, one

1308
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: day you want to be an NBA head coach. But

1309
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: what made you choose? Like, Nah, Georgia Tech is the spot.

1310
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: Atlanta is the spot for me to be, and that's

1311
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: where I want to be at.

1312
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: It was a little all that.

1313
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 4: I mean, it was it was the ACC being acc,

1314
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 4: it was Tech, you.

1315
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: Know, and then it was it was Atlanta.

1316
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 4: I think when I left Pacific and I went back

1317
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 4: to the NBA, I didn't have no intention of coming

1318
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 4: back to college, you know. I wanted to be an

1319
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 4: NBA head coach, you know, and I was just gonna

1320
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 4: you know, stay there. But when this opportunity presented itself,

1321
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 4: you know, I just felt like I couldn't pass it up.

1322
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 4: I felt like being a tech Bandlanta. That's like the

1323
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: thirty third NBA team, you know what I mean? Because

1324
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 4: you got so much to come through the city, and

1325
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 4: so I think that you a hub for players. I

1326
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 4: think that, you know, you a hub for NBA teams.

1327
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 4: You know, teams practicing at our facility. You know, we accessible,

1328
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 4: So it's just a matter of getting the players and

1329
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 4: you can build the brand back up. And then when

1330
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 4: you think about what the brand was, so we all

1331
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 4: think about.

1332
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: What the brand used to be.

1333
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: And so from Mark Price to Kenny Anderson, then Scott,

1334
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 4: Steph Travis, you know, all these guys that they had,

1335
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 4: they had.

1336
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 3: So many dudes come through here. You know.

1337
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 4: Then as it went along, you had that, you had

1338
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 4: their favors, you had you know, so you just had

1339
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 4: you had Bosh. Can't forget Bosh. You know, you had

1340
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 4: so many people to come through here, so you oh,

1341
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 4: it is capable of being in this city. And then

1342
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 4: the thing about it, the city embraced me. So I

1343
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 4: think that the city's ready as well.

1344
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 5: Right, it's a lot of coaches, the coach for a

1345
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 5: long time still ain't never beat Duke. You beat Duke

1346
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 5: on your first trance, Like it was that geta. I

1347
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 5: was watching the game, I was geeked for. I can

1348
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 5: definitely remember it, just it was just recent. So like,

1349
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 5: tell me, how was that for you? You know what

1350
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 5: I'm saying, like being in this position on what the

1351
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 5: Duke name and the brand means to college sports in general,

1352
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 5: Like how big was that for you and your first year,

1353
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 5: your first attempt, your first time up against them as

1354
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 5: a head coach.

1355
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 3: Getting that win in.

1356
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,479
Speaker 4: You know, it was big, I think, you know, being

1357
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 4: a couple months into the season and to get that win.

1358
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 6: But most that was a great win. But what started

1359
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 6: it was.

1360
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 4: We be Mississippi State, you know, earlier in the week,

1361
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: which is another top twenty five team, and so for

1362
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: that moment, it just it was a culmination of you know,

1363
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 4: these kids putting in their work, you know, because that's

1364
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 4: the thing because I've been I've been on the ass,

1365
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 4: like I have. The biggest reason that I'm on them

1366
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: is because of all the things that we've been talking about.

1367
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 4: Because they don't know and so if you ain't been

1368
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 4: in it you don't know. And so when I got

1369
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 4: back to college, I said, I'm gonna teach. You know,

1370
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna teach, and so you know, to see it

1371
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 4: come and they those two big wins and then you know,

1372
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 4: to be duke in front of our fans. I think

1373
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 4: that that gives us a lot to build on and

1374
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 4: I think it showed that the program going in the

1375
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 4: right direction. But at the same time too, to your point, Q,

1376
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 4: it's like, man, they just put a bulls eye on

1377
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 4: our back because like I'm telling dudes, I'm like, man,

1378
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 4: you guys just moved the needle. So this ain't good

1379
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 4: enough no more. So we got to keep moving the needle.

1380
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 4: And so now that's the challenge.

1381
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 5: You know, for that moment though, that you have, Like

1382
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 5: it's not like y'all want a championship. It's not like

1383
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 5: y'all did this or completed something, but like for you,

1384
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 5: was there like some type of sense of pride or

1385
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 5: proudness of your guys that they went like special, Like

1386
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,439
Speaker 5: you say, that was two teams in one week. Y'all

1387
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 5: were underdogs against clearly, and y'all went out there and

1388
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, showed like I don't know

1389
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 5: how that feels as a coach, but like coming from

1390
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 5: somebody who was a was a star superstar in the

1391
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 5: league and did it on the court, Like, how does

1392
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 5: that feel for you to be able to inspire your

1393
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 5: kids to do that?

1394
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: Cause I don't.

1395
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 5: I don't, Like I asked different coaches and people like

1396
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 5: that who I played with to do it, not Like

1397
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 5: how do that make you feel? Because like that's the

1398
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 5: one reason, Like how you say I wouldn't coach, Like

1399
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 5: I feel like I would get too frustrated if I

1400
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 5: can't get you to do what I'm.

1401
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: Trying to get you to patience.

1402
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 5: Nothing about it. So it's like that I'm not trying

1403
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 5: to do. Like, so how does that make you feel?

1404
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 5: Like when it does, when it culminates and it comes

1405
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 5: together because all obviously we all got a million failures,

1406
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 5: but like in the time like that where it's like

1407
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 5: it's a small little place, but it was two games

1408
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 5: in the row, you be back to back top twenty

1409
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 5: five teams and y'all definitely one pick to beat. Like

1410
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 5: so from that sense, like, how does that make you feel?

1411
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 5: Like as that coach, like something is like getting through

1412
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 5: to them?

1413
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 4: Oh man, it makes you feel good. I know they

1414
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 4: got buy in. It's just not a translation on the court, right,

1415
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 4: you know. And so to see those kids connected the

1416
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 4: way they was connected. It's early in the season, and

1417
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 4: I didn't know how early or how late this team

1418
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 4: would click. But to see the connectivity so early in

1419
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: the season, man, I was impressed.

1420
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 3: I was I was impressed. You know.

1421
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 4: I felt like we were poised down to stretching both games. Again,

1422
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 4: I'm starting too freshmen, and you know, I know that

1423
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 4: me and my staff are getting through to them. You know,

1424
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 4: I also know that it ain't easy.

1425
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 3: It's not easy.

1426
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 4: And so the biggest thing and one of the biggest

1427
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 4: challenges to what you're talking about. It's one thing for

1428
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 4: me to talk to y'all about who. It's another thing

1429
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 4: that articulated to these kids about the same thing that

1430
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 4: we talking about because they just don't know. And so

1431
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 4: what I try to do each and every day, and

1432
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 4: it takes a long time.

1433
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 3: I'm not going to life.

1434
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: Take a long time on the floor and off the

1435
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 4: floor with a lot of film, is you got to

1436
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 4: keep on articulating to these dudes scenarios. You gotta frame

1437
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 4: it for him. What does this look like so if

1438
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 4: a team is hedging, you know, on that ball screen, like,

1439
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 4: we gotta walk through it.

1440
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 3: So they know we're all so they know exactly where

1441
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 3: it is.

1442
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 4: Okay, you're supposed to be lifted over there, you gotta

1443
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 4: lift out that corner. Give them another option, Like you

1444
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: gotta show these dudes because if they don't got bodies on.

1445
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 6: Them, they don't know because they don't Yeah, they don't know.

1446
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 4: And so that's the patient's part that you gotta have

1447
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 4: when you're dealing with them, because they don't know what

1448
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 4: they don't know. That's my favorite line. And so you

1449
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 4: can't get mad at him if you ain't taking.

1450
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the lingos. Some kids don't know it by

1451
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: by the word right, gotta show him. But I said you,

1452
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: all right, well, I'm gonna need you to go week

1453
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: side and instead of down.

1454
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: Screen for so and so, And they be looking like

1455
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: what a week right?

1456
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 5: You being a college coach now and you recruit and

1457
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 5: then you see how all of these dudes are being

1458
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 5: held back and reclassifying lay Like what do you think?

1459
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: What's your take on that?

1460
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 5: Because I look, my opinion is, like you said, we

1461
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 5: come from the air, Like when you show that you

1462
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 5: a certain level of good, your coach automatically puts you

1463
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 5: on the older team, even if you did like some

1464
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 5: types like d Miles, I'm older than him, but he

1465
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 5: played with us, And even if he did still sometimes

1466
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 5: go to his age group tournaments, he still played with

1467
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 5: us because.

1468
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: He was above that age group.

1469
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 5: So I have a problem when I look and I

1470
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 5: look at the landscape of high school and youth basketball particular.

1471
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 5: I can't speak on everything else, but like when you

1472
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 5: see parents and people and the thing to do is

1473
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 5: like in fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh grade, they hold a

1474
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 5: kid back and he repeats that grade. Now when he

1475
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 5: gets to be a sophomore junior, if he's like one

1476
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 5: of the top dudes and he killing it and he

1477
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 5: being recruited, now we'll reclassify and put him back as

1478
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 5: a junior when instead of a soho one so he

1479
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 5: could get to the money. Quicker, Like, what's your take

1480
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 5: on all this, cause like you gotta, you know, navigat

1481
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 5: and recruit all this shit boys now of y'all boys

1482
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 5: is coaching, Like I take my hat out to y'all,

1483
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 5: but like, how do you delve through that when you

1484
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 5: out there recruiting and trying to decide who you like.

1485
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 5: Does that play any particular part of it? Like I

1486
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 5: might like this guy because he's playing above his age

1487
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 5: group as opposed to this guy who's playing in his

1488
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 5: age group when he should be probably playing up to.

1489
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 4: Take it one step further, I don't know. I don't

1490
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 4: know if that bothers me more than the fact that

1491
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 4: sometimes I don't. I like a tough kid. So you know,

1492
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 4: whether you playing up or you playing down. What I

1493
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 4: figured out being in college is are you tough? Do

1494
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 4: you have some toughness to you?

1495
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 3: Right?

1496
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 4: And like my whole thing is I always tell my staff,

1497
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 4: you know, it's like if I'm recruiting my own son

1498
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 4: and he not tough, then he can't play for me.

1499
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 4: So the toughness part stands out a little bit more

1500
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 4: for me because from the basketball part, I don't think

1501
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys are where they can be anyway.

1502
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 6: So what I try to do is.

1503
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 4: Find guys that fit within what I'm trying to do,

1504
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 4: and so when they fit within what if they can

1505
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 4: fit within what I'm trying to do, then I'm good.

1506
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 4: But I just want two things. I want toughness and

1507
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 4: I want to be able to coach you. I don't

1508
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 4: want the bad body language. I don't want all that.

1509
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 3: Now.

1510
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 6: I'm alright with.

1511
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 4: As crazy as it sounds, I'm alright with you're trying

1512
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 4: to get at me, you know about some things passion me. Yeah,

1513
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 4: I'm alright with that. It's just the body language I

1514
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 4: can't do. Because what I try to tell all these

1515
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 4: kids it don't matter, is that when your body language

1516
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 4: is your first impression, you're giving that off to the world.

1517
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 4: That's the energy you're giving, so nobody can see nothing

1518
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 4: but that you.

1519
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 6: They don't even got to know you. That's the thing

1520
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 6: to me.

1521
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 4: That when I look at the recruiting a kid, whether

1522
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 4: kid is younger, whether he older, Yes, I think that

1523
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 4: a kid being younger does give you an advantage because

1524
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 4: if you're able to today, if you're able to play

1525
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 4: with older kids, I do feel like that means that

1526
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 4: you know, you see something a little different, you got

1527
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,799
Speaker 4: a sense of maturity, you see something a little different.

1528
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 4: But it doesn't make you not as valuable if you

1529
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 4: were a little older. But what it says to me

1530
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 4: is some people mature into their games a little bit faster,

1531
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 4: and it's on some parents' prerogative. It wasn't the path

1532
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 4: that my mama took or would have took, but it's

1533
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 4: stay prerogative, so I respect it.

1534
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: If you're a fifteen year old and you're playing against

1535
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: a guy that's all American, finna be something.

1536
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: You don't got to kick his ad.

1537
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: But if you do a little bit of something against

1538
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: a guy who's finna go to college next year, here, like,

1539
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: it's a confidence booster, and that makes you a better player.

1540
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt. I tell people this all the time.

1541
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 4: This is a story I use because, like, again, it's

1542
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:56,839
Speaker 4: so different today.

1543
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 3: When we was in college, you know, just like.

1544
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 4: Y'all played against pros every day. You played against pros

1545
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 4: every day, whether it's in summer league, whether they came

1546
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 4: to the gym, local gym, whatever it is. You played

1547
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 4: against pros every day. And so it wasn't a whole lot.

1548
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 3: Of bs in the gym. It was just you and

1549
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 3: them dudes.

1550
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 4: And so you playing against them, and so you knew

1551
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 4: if you was a pro or not because you playing

1552
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 4: against dudes. And I can remember that was back when

1553
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 4: Nike used to film a lot of their commercials in Portland,

1554
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 4: so you know they would always call, you know, try

1555
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 4: to you know, man, what y'all doing, y'all running? You know, X,

1556
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 4: Y and Z want to play. So Tim, Tim Hardaway

1557
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 4: was out. He wanted and he wanted to play. And

1558
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 4: so Tim came to the gym and man.

1559
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I ain't ready yet.

1560
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 4: And I was like, and I was like, man, Tim

1561
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 4: was so strong, and that was the thing.

1562
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 6: So back then you had to be strong.

1563
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 4: And people that Tim was five ten posting strong, and

1564
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 4: so he was right right, So Tim was posting and

1565
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 4: so that was my that was my junior year on.

1566
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 3: So I was like, but then like that next summer,

1567
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 3: playing against Dream Team too.

1568
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 4: Now I'm playing against kJ, I was playing against Mark Price,

1569
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 4: you know them, guys. I was like, I was like,

1570
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 4: I can't stop them. They can't stop me. Need you

1571
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying. So I was like, so I'm like, sa,

1572
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 4: I said, I said, okay, I said, I know I'm

1573
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 4: ready now, and it's just for me. I think the

1574
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 4: other piece is is, guys, is all right, we're not

1575
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 4: actually being ready but going on potential, you know what

1576
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 4: I mean. So again that's that's someone's prerogative. But you

1577
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 4: know it used to didn't be that way exactly. Like

1578
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 4: when you got to the league, you wanted to be

1579
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 4: in the league and you wanted to contribute right away.

1580
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 4: But see what a lot of people don't understand. Yeah,

1581
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 4: what a lot of people can't see is that you're

1582
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 4: getting tricked.

1583
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 3: You're getting tricked.

1584
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 5: You get that, but it's about to be sure.

1585
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 3: You're getting tricked. You only got two years guaranteed.

1586
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 5: And you off to that G League almost immediately, like

1587
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 5: you're talking about like that's the number one thing, Like, yeah,

1588
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 5: they don't. I just want to get that in her

1589
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 5: I didn't literally heard guy say that, like, nah, I don't.

1590
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 5: I just want to get like I get this take

1591
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 5: care of like my boy.

1592
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that. Mary Bailey, he played for

1593
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: us LA. I felt he should have stayed in school,

1594
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: like one more year. But it was like he went

1595
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 2: to the draft just to go to the G League.

1596
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: They picked him on the team they got. I think

1597
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: he got because he's doing good in the G League.

1598
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: But I feel like he went to the draft in

1599
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 2: his mind not even expecting to play this year with

1600
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: the rosters that they got, especially the team that picked

1601
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: him straight to the G League to do what they

1602
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: do and I feel like you could have kind of

1603
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: did that and got a little bit more mature.

1604
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: The at U c l A.

1605
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 4: He should be saliveing at the mouth because that organization

1606
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 4: kind of in a flux.

1607
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 6: They trying to figure it out.

1608
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 4: So the thing about it is, you know, the big

1609
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 4: big picture for him if he keep balling in the

1610
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 4: g right now, like, what's going to end up happening

1611
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 4: based on their record the last twenty game, the last

1612
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 4: twenty to thirty games this season?

1613
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: Man, you up, baby, you up?

1614
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: How was it for you to one of your former

1615
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 2: teammates to bring Bonzie on board and have a part

1616
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: of your stuff shout out to that's my dog there.

1617
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: Man, it's been it's been big guard club right there, big.

1618
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, it's been good. You know, and I

1619
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 4: think Bonzie, you know, think about it. You know when Bonzie,

1620
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 4: when we both was done, we still talked a lot,

1621
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 4: and you know, Bonds was trying to get into the

1622
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 4: coaching piece.

1623
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1624
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 4: I always try to tell guys man like, sometimes dudes

1625
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 4: is chosen and sometimes dudes got to grind it out.

1626
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 4: So I always gave advice, you know, telling him try

1627
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:50,759
Speaker 4: to find something local.

1628
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 6: You know, when I got my first job.

1629
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 3: When I was at Rights, I was living in Houston still,

1630
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 3: so it was easy. You know what I'm saying, You

1631
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 3: ain't have to do nothing.

1632
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 4: I wasn't doing nothing all day and I go to

1633
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 4: practice and then that's when I just started building up,

1634
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 4: you know, going early and then going to recruiting meetings,

1635
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 4: doing different things.

1636
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 3: And so with Bonzie, I just told him the same thing.

1637
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 4: And like I told him, I said, you know, if

1638
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 4: I ever get something, you know what I mean, Like,

1639
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 4: you know, you just keep on doing your things, I'll

1640
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 4: come again.

1641
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 3: I'll come.

1642
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1643
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 4: And so then what happened is, you know, he went

1644
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 4: on to Memphis and he was at Lamo and on

1645
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 4: and you know he was.

1646
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 3: He was he was getting the skin in the game. Yeah.

1647
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so that's the biggest thing, you know. And

1648
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 4: so I was proud of him for that. And see

1649
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 4: that's what people don't understand.

1650
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 5: Dudes won't do that. Think you're just supposed to come

1651
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 5: be able to plug him. And it's like, bro, I

1652
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 5: just got here. You got to give me something to

1653
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 5: give to like go back, like he got this credibility

1654
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 5: looking he was doing like you just can't have me

1655
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 5: sticking my ass out here, Like.

1656
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 6: It's not easy. The college grind is way different than

1657
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:48,839
Speaker 6: the pros.

1658
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1659
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 4: We had practice to eight this morning this finals week,

1660
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 4: so you got to get in where you fit in.

1661
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 4: Don't go back to night and do some things. But

1662
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 4: it's just you know, you got to get in where

1663
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 4: you fit in, and you do.

1664
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1665
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 6: And I think Bonzi's done a great job.

1666
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 4: But more importantly, no different than the things that we

1667
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 4: sharing sit at this table, Like he's been sharing these

1668
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 4: same stories and them kids, and you know, those kids

1669
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 4: need honesty, and I think that sometimes that's what's missing,

1670
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 4: you know, because you can't you can't truly become who

1671
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 4: he's supposed to be until you accept the honesty of

1672
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 4: the critique because it ain't criticism, mister critique, you know

1673
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 4: what I mean.

1674
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: So he's been really good for these young fellas, the

1675
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: small guard.

1676
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 2: Like when I be seeing younger casts and they be like,

1677
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 2: I want to go to the league or so forth, phone,

1678
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: I instantly look at the first thing.

1679
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: I look at his height.

1680
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 2: We talk about anything, I'd be like, man, you gotta

1681
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 2: be a legit six one six'. Two you have guys

1682
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 2: Like Isaiah, thomas who then play good in this league

1683
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: and show that he can play in this league and

1684
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 2: it's hard for him to get on another. TEAM i

1685
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 2: want you to speak about how hard it is for

1686
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 2: a guard your, size a guys that's that's smaller than

1687
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 2: six one six one six' two to really have longevity in.

1688
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: This league you See The isaiah thomas won scored fifties in,

1689
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: this league forties in, this league and he still can't.

1690
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 2: To last, it's like what have you done for? Me lately, type,

1691
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah league and especially for a guy who's naturally they

1692
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 2: always want to say that you're, under sized but they don't.

1693
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 2: Really mean, for hoopers that don't mean that YOU. Can't baf,

1694
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: you know you gotta be.

1695
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 4: On point, you know, it's disappointing, you know because He's

1696
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 4: a he's a guy that has put in a lot

1697
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 4: of WORK and, i think, you know, For me like

1698
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 4: again we talked about, this earlier it's. THE mentorship i

1699
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 4: think guys need, the mentorship the protection of what being

1700
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 4: a player IN the. Nba is but also at the,

1701
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 4: same time, you know now when you got the, right

1702
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 4: Mentorship And isaiah thomas can do that now as, a

1703
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 4: coach you got a. Comfort zone. Makes sense and so,

1704
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 4: YOU know i, think THAT like i hear a lot of.

1705
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 4: GUYS talking i said this a long. Time ago when

1706
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 4: you're under, six, feet man you.

1707
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 3: Gotta go pick. Full court you gotta go pick up. Full.

1708
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 6: Court man you gotta have a jumper like you gotta

1709
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 6: like you gotta really.

1710
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 3: Be on point. With, again YEAH and i JUST and i.

1711
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 4: JUST think i just think, at times, small guards, you

1712
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 4: know if you're gonna. Be special AND when i, say

1713
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 4: special when you can when you can.

1714
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 3: Score it and.

1715
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 6: Pass it there's only really been a handful of.

1716
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 4: Those, In history like you can go, down history, you

1717
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 4: know and there's only been a handful. Of, those so like,

1718
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 4: you said you gotta do something that pop OFF. That

1719
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 4: tv and the First thing i'm doing is picking up.

1720
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 4: Full court you gotta figure out how to get on.

1721
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 4: The court then you got to figure out how to

1722
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 4: impact the game. Without scoring then the last thing you

1723
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 4: gotta do is figure out how to get your game

1724
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 4: if you, are scoring how to get your game within,

1725
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 4: that game you Know what. I'm saying but being able,

1726
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 4: to shoot picking up for, a court being able to run,

1727
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 4: a team being able to, be verbal being able to

1728
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,839
Speaker 4: communicate being articulating on, fire positions knowing where guy's supposed.

1729
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 6: To, be like that's.

1730
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 4: Your job That's your if you're a, small guard that's.

1731
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 4: Your job and you got to know and you got

1732
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 4: to know what the.

1733
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 3: Game needs you got to know how to read. The

1734
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 3: room reading.

1735
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:17,839
Speaker 4: The room reading the room is the most underappreciated sentence

1736
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 4: that you could, ever have because there's a lot of

1737
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 4: people in a lot of different areas sports bidden that

1738
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 4: they don't know how to read.

1739
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: The room as you, Just TOOK like, i say for

1740
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: being a, small guard you come across some coaches that

1741
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: they're not the biggest fans of a. Smaller guard you

1742
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: went through THE situation i think he Was in portland

1743
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: when They wanted scottie And maybe bondsi to run more,

1744
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: point guard, bigger guard so or they wanted to go.

1745
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: With this how did you?

1746
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 2: Handle that because you had so much success to, this point,

1747
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: it's like, ALL right i showed y'all this. WORK cool

1748
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 2: i shouldn't have, these problems but you, get it like

1749
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: mid in the middle of. Your career how was that

1750
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 2: for you mentally to handle that of a coach that's,

1751
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: you know changing the direction and it's all Because of

1752
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 2: hyke now, the, GAME.

1753
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 4: Right i think that back when, you know for, whatever

1754
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 4: reason when he went in.

1755
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 6: THAT direction i took it as a slap in.

1756
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 4: The FACE but i also took, it, like okay just

1757
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 4: let me not even, reinvent myself but let, me pivot

1758
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 4: let me, Sit, back okay this day, going through let

1759
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 4: me SEE how i can impact this, game again because again,

1760
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 4: it's like how do you? Bring value, You know and

1761
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 4: so those are the THINGS that i try. To DO and, i,

1762
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 4: think like when you're a, small guard you gotta be

1763
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 4: able to. Do that it's funny you even, say THAT

1764
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 4: because i was telling the kids this STORY because i

1765
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 4: took a guy out of, the lineup AND what i

1766
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 4: told HIM when i took him out of lineup, is,

1767
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 4: that man you don't play hard enough in practice for

1768
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 4: the stuff to translate in. The game so you're trying

1769
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 4: to play harder in the game and you ain't play hard.

1770
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 6: In practice and, it's, like nah the basketball guy.

1771
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 3: Is not letting you.

1772
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 4: Do, That yeah and so, you KNOW as i, sat back, you,

1773
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: know again it was just, you know figuring OUT how

1774
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 4: i can impact. The GAME and i knew that it

1775
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 4: would get back ultimately come back, to me you KNOW what.

1776
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 4: I mean And so i've always Tried to i've all

1777
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 4: And as i've, Gotten noted i've become more, of this.

1778
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 4: YOU know i just kind of never try to get

1779
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 4: too high and never get, too low and when and

1780
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 4: when the chip's not falling where they may even during,

1781
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 4: THAT time i just try to tell the people, Around,

1782
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 4: me man if you got the other stuff to, stay

1783
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 4: man that ain't helping ME when i go into practice

1784
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 4: at ten in, the morning, you know because that's always.

1785
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 6: A problem like we we always.

1786
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 4: Gonna have some issues, as Players right but then when

1787
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 4: somebody on the outside gasing you up on it and

1788
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 4: they just in your ear, with, it man you, you

1789
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 4: know it just kind of it kind of fuels, the

1790
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 4: fire you Know what.

1791
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm saying so you.

1792
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: Had a lot of teammates over.

1793
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: Your career out of ALL the nba teammates, youne had

1794
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 2: if you had to pick four other guys to make an,

1795
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: ultimate five you would beat them four other guys you at,

1796
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 2: point guard, of course and who would be the four

1797
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 2: other guys to make a five man team to play?

1798
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 5: Against anybody whatever teammates, you got everybody in the play

1799
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 5: with them prime when you when it's prime them whenever,

1800
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 5: you played no matter if you played with him when

1801
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 5: they was dusty. And old this is prime them to make.

1802
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 4: A Fire and i'm Going with rashid at the fire

1803
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 4: because we were playing with the with, you know with the.

1804
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 4: Stretch game we got.

1805
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 5: The stripe you want to play whatever you want to

1806
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 5: do matched up against, some fires not just, yeah.

1807
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no.

1808
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 4: That's, cool then, Uh man i'm trying. To, think Okay

1809
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 4: so i'm gonna Go by i'm gonna go off. Today's

1810
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 4: basketball i'm been picking my team because, YOU know i need.

1811
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 4: Some Shooting so i'm. Gonna go I'm gonna i'm gonna

1812
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 4: Go With mike miller all. The, Time yeah i'm. Gonna

1813
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 4: go i'm gonna Go with. Mike, Three yeah i'm. Gonna

1814
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 4: go i'm gonna Go. With mike he he'll be my.

1815
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 4: Two three just just call him. A wing and we're

1816
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 4: still going with these guys in.

1817
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: Their.

1818
01:21:53,880 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 4: Prime Okay so i'm Gonna take pip in. His prime

1819
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 4: SO now i, Got SO now i got. My DEFENDER

1820
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 4: now i got. Now, yep now now as he became

1821
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 4: a good spot, up shooter he could play WITH it

1822
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 4: i could play off, the Ball so i'll be in

1823
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 4: SPACE and i can knock Down. My jason you, got

1824
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 4: me You Got, mike miller, you got You, got piped you.

1825
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 4: Got she now this.

1826
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 3: Where, this where this Is where, i'm, like damn because

1827
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 3: you got You, got vince YOU got i didn't Play.

1828
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: WITH vince I. Miss vince You. Got zo, You see

1829
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 3: That's what.

1830
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 5: I'm Saying so i'm.

1831
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: Looking at, The four i'm Looking, at zo and.

1832
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 3: We see i'm. Sitting here so That's WHAT i'm.

1833
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 4: Cmc could be considered like a full and so that's

1834
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 4: and so That's what. I'm Saying see i'm sitting, Here saying,

1835
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 4: i'm man you, Know, WHAT man i. GOTTA go i

1836
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 4: gotta GO with i gotta Go. With zbo.

1837
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 3: Just, you Know. Z bo you know you got a

1838
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 3: lot of shooting. Out there but then, you.

1839
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 4: Know throw it to, your heart to your you remember

1840
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 4: that time you remember that we WAS in Uh when

1841
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 4: chiefs TOOK uh theo out, the lineup and so Remember

1842
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 4: the i've been telling, that man you gotta. Be professional

1843
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 4: SO remember theo was mad when They Put Joe prince

1844
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 4: bill up, In there zebra hitter with the come on

1845
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 4: the you.

1846
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 6: GOT professional i. REMEMBER that i.

1847
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 4: REMEMBER that i remember sitting up. There dying, come on

1848
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 4: you gotta. BE professional.

1849
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: I got one more start. Bench trade you gotta. Start

1850
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 2: one you gotta. Bench one you gotta. Trade One, Allen Iverson,

1851
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas Chris Paul Which?

1852
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: Isaiah zeke, Okay man I'm.

1853
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 3: Starting zeke I'm, mentioned Allan and i'm cutting.

1854
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 1: C understood this IS what i like.

1855
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 5: To ASK and i feel like you a good person

1856
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 5: to ask because you got you got a couple of.

1857
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: Big, bags yeah he definitely a.

1858
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 3: Good person THAT'S what.

1859
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 5: I want i kind of know some of the stuff

1860
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 5: just by Way Of, freddie Jones but i'm gonna ask

1861
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 5: you like this don't include, you know taking care, of,

1862
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 5: mom dude, so grandma none.

1863
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 3: OF that i won't know, what.

1864
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 5: Biggie what biggie did when he got that bag to,

1865
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 5: treat himself like even now you probably look BACK on

1866
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 5: i was goun to, said like but you know we all.

1867
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 3: DID it i.

1868
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 5: Won't know what what did biggie do when he got?

1869
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 5: That bag you got a? BIG bag. I remember i

1870
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 5: ain't gonna say all that to, the PEOPLE but I

1871
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 5: Remember mighty mouse got.

1872
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: A bag What Did mighty mouse do when he got that?

1873
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 3: Check man extravagant, Stuff though.

1874
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 4: So, you know so my first check, FIRST time i,

1875
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,719
Speaker 4: you KNOW when i was, a ROOKIE when i first

1876
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 4: got got some my FIRST thing. I did it's the

1877
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 4: ONLY car i kept to This deare. I'M lying i.

1878
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 4: GOT it i got an old school. AS well i

1879
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 4: got Six fol but SO what i DID was i

1880
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 4: bought AN s l. FIVE hundred i still Got, that

1881
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 4: jake the Big, no no.

1882
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 6: The convertible, You know i'm a.

1883
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 3: LITTLE dude.

1884
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 4: I got i GOT the i Got The Jay green.

1885
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 4: JOINT convertible i got The old school phone up.

1886
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 3: In there what's that the? Ninety six you still Got

1887
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 3: The New JACK city i.

1888
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 4: STILL got i still Got The New jack city phone

1889
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 4: with the cream guts With the lorenza kid.

1890
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: On It the lorenza about that? Right Now that god, damn.

1891
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 4: Yes SIR so I so i bought that with the.

1892
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 4: First ONE when i got my, SECOND deal I think i.

1893
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 3: Bought it it wasn't by.

1894
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 6: That time it WAS just i didn't really feel IT

1895
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 6: because i had already.

1896
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 3: Had a bun a.

1897
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 6: Lot already but, the thing but the thing, about it

1898
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 6: let me.

1899
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 4: Tell you you know the crazy thing, About It like

1900
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 4: I'M glad i lived all. That EARLY when i say

1901
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 4: lived it, all EARLY because i got it out, of

1902
01:25:58,120 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 4: me you KNOW what.

1903
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 3: I mean so back, on that like io.

1904
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,560
Speaker 4: And so the thing and so the thing about it

1905
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 4: IS when i see somebody winning and then they get,

1906
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 4: Something new, i'm, LIKE yes i, remember them dans remember

1907
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 4: like for me to. Go, THROUGH yes i REMEMBER when

1908
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,560
Speaker 4: i tore my. Knee up SO when i tore my,

1909
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 4: knee up anybody?

1910
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 7: Know?

1911
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 4: ME no i like, small CARS so i have, YOU

1912
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 4: know i Had, THE ferraris i had all. THAT stuff

1913
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 4: i had to get rid of THEM because i couldn't

1914
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 4: get in and out. Of them no more hurt like

1915
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 4: it just hurt?

1916
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 3: You hurt so what people be? Telling?

1917
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 2: You uh some some of the, former players they, be,

1918
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 2: like man EVERY time i used to Come, to, portland

1919
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 2: man your whole squad cars used to.

1920
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: BE crazy i, was like.

1921
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 5: Get the bottom of the romp with the thirties, hey

1922
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 5: man brushed on the brushed on the on.

1923
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 3: The hood what what was the?

1924
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: Car school seventy Five grand Ville.

1925
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 3: D pontiac he had to he had. The rods he.

1926
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: Had, to, no, no no let's stay On. The pontiac

1927
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: did you see the work?

1928
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 3: On it i'm trying. To, remember wow neighborhood you? HEAR me,

1929
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 3: I said i can't that, Like naw i'm from. THE

1930
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 3: crib i know what.

1931
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: Everything means i'm looking at.

1932
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 3: The car he can't pick me up from, the HOTEL and.

1933
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 3: I did i had to jump in the damn car

1934
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 3: like it was jump and climb into.

1935
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 1: The car it was a top spinners with the with

1936
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: the kill.

1937
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 3: You really IN the nba with this airbrush on your

1938
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 3: hood in. Your, trunk members he was, a. Member y'all

1939
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 3: SEVEN fould i have said, for.

1940
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 5: You didn't you had everything they meant seven fold on

1941
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 5: that motherfucker stop playing.

1942
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: On y'all, was like what this boy out here in

1943
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: the streets?

1944
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 3: Like that he just had?

1945
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: Nice, cars man we all had nice Cars. On portland

1946
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: you had to have a. Nice car you're on the

1947
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 2: trailer in.

1948
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 3: The squad y'all.

1949
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: Was RIDICULOUS and.

1950
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 2: I got i got another story. TO tell i ain't

1951
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,560
Speaker 2: gonna tell what happened to get. A story but we

1952
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: Was In golden state the game, Before that but then

1953
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 2: we Went. TO denver i had my career High. IN

1954
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: denver i came off the bed and after, the game

1955
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 2: coach and call like plays for me or we didn't

1956
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 2: go through me to get my. FORTY seven i just

1957
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 2: played within the game to get the. Forty seven and

1958
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 2: soon we got in the locker, room first and you, say, like,

1959
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:24,759
Speaker 2: hey Man If dee miles in there grooving or whoever grooving,

1960
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 2: like that we got to get him the ball every

1961
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 2: single time we could have won.

1962
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: The GAME and i, was, like, yeah man that's.

1963
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 2: My, guy, Man right so you always been my favorite

1964
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: point going brow.

1965
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 3: Just because you get him the ball when he Had forty.

1966
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 2: He Understand what i'm saying because our team was a

1967
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: up and down team season. Like that he had a fifty,

1968
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 2: Point game Nick van neessu had a fifty.

1969
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: POINT game i had a forty.

1970
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 2: Seven game but we wouldn't coming together to really try

1971
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 2: to win nothing. Or anything so what he was trying

1972
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 2: to explain to all the other guys, is, like, hey

1973
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 2: bro when.

1974
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: We out there swerving or somebody, out there let's go,

1975
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: to him get him. The rock you Know what.

1976
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying BUT like, I, say man you my favorite point.

1977
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: GOING man i enjoyed playing with YOU and i.

1978
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: Appreciate.

1979
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 3: You bro man appreciate, you that.

1980
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 5: Hey man We appreciate Biggie Aka mighty miles pulling up

1981
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 5: bonus in the atl Aka d miles Favorite.

1982
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 3: Point.

1983
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: Guards sir he told him the team to give.

1984
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 3: Him a ball when. We, Go, Yes, SIR knuckleheads i

1985
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,640
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1986
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,680
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1989
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1990
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1991
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1992
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