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Speaker 1: What's shag and hurdlers. You are listening to episode sixty

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Speaker 1: through tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness.

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Speaker 1: My name's Emily Badi. Your girl is fresh off an

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Speaker 1: amped to bring you this week's episode with Jess Woods.

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Speaker 1: She's a Nike Plus running coach, studio manager for Flywheel

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Speaker 1: Sports and an Ultra marathon or more on that in

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Speaker 1: so let's talk about Jess Woods. Like I said, Nike

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Speaker 1: Plus Running coach Ultra Marathoner. Today she's slaying crazy amounts

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Speaker 1: project manager at NBC. In today's episode, we talk about

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Speaker 1: also talk about her big goals as a coach for

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Speaker 1: She also offers up some must here advice for new

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Speaker 1: into the Bachelorette, Coach Woods recently teamed up with Tyler Cameron,

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Speaker 1: a weekly informal running club that he's hosting with his

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Speaker 1: Now they're all working together to put together a five

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Speaker 1: prosis going to Matt's charity, which is called ABC Food Tours.

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Speaker 1: So for more info on that, definitely keep up with

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Speaker 1: Jess on social Her Instagram handle is Jesslyn NYC. That's

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Speaker 1: ABC Food Tours. As for me, like I said, Chicago

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Speaker 1: I think that's it with that, Let's get to hurdling today.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with Nike run coach and ultra marathon

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Speaker 1: are extraordinaire, Jess Woods. I know about extraordinaire, but thank

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Speaker 1: you you have won an ultra marathon. I think when

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Speaker 2: Or well an ultra marathon or is technically anything over

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Speaker 2: nine to five in the middle or other side gigs.

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Speaker 1: Was there a moment when you started where you had

440
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Speaker 1: a wow, I'm really doing the right thing feeling.

441
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Speaker 2: I had the I'm doing the right thing feeling. I

442
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: think just based on the running community and seeing how

443
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Speaker 2: much all of these runners are either enjoying the classes

444
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Speaker 2: that I was teaching, or seeing those posts after a

445
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Speaker 2: marathon and them thanking you for either being out there,

446
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Speaker 2: for coaching them or for that one class that you

447
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Speaker 2: taught them. And it's those kinds of posts or messages

448
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: or you know, people coming up to you after their

449
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Speaker 2: race that make all the early mornings and late nights

450
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Speaker 2: worth it.

451
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Speaker 1: And I love that.

452
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Speaker 2: That's what I knew.

453
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Speaker 1: So when you started, you were just coaching. You were

454
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Speaker 1: coaching at Mile High Ron Club, you were coaching with Nike,

455
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: you were getting your feet wet, doing this whole new vibe,

456
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Speaker 1: and you were happy.

457
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Speaker 2: I was happy. Like, then why did you leave? I

458
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Speaker 2: don't know?

459
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Speaker 1: Bold statement now, No, I mean I think it's I

460
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Speaker 1: think we're getting into the meat of this. Okay, so

461
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Speaker 1: you're teaching out the classes. But what I will say,

462
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Speaker 1: having had brief stints in teaching fitness myself is that

463
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Speaker 1: it can feel really overwhelming and then a little bit

464
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: unsteady based off of how many people are coming to

465
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: your classes and being like the only person that's on

466
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: the subway at four fifteen in the morning when you're

467
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: going to teach a five thirty It's like, wow, am

468
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Speaker 1: I Like is this really how I'm making my living?

469
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Speaker 1: So I'm sure like at the beginning it came with

470
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Speaker 1: those fair share amounts of uncertainties.

471
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Speaker 2: Uncertainties or like there's pros and cons to being a

472
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Speaker 2: freelancer an instructor. When you're first starting out, you have

473
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Speaker 2: to work those Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and start building your

474
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Speaker 2: client base, so it can become a little not daunting,

475
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: but maybe a little frustrating at times whenever you see

476
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Speaker 2: all of your friends enjoying the beach on the weekend

477
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Speaker 2: and you're teaching at nine am and noon and a

478
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Speaker 2: four pm class and you're just in the city all

479
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: day on the weekends. So that was maybe the downside

480
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Speaker 2: to it. And I eventually left my high run club

481
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: and stayed in the fitness industry, but decided to not

482
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Speaker 2: only put my you know, fitness background, my new fitness

483
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Speaker 2: experience to use, but also my previous experience with managing

484
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Speaker 2: a business, managing expenses and a team. And that's when

485
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Speaker 2: I decided to try and get the best of both worlds.

486
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Speaker 2: And now I manage a cycling studio, so I'm able

487
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Speaker 2: to manage people in budgets and community, but also keep

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Speaker 2: it in the in the fitness industry.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to it. When along the lines here

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Speaker 1: do you run your first full marathon? Ooh?

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Speaker 2: I think the first full marathon was at least in

508
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, maybe earlier. It was the Nike Women San

509
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Speaker 2: Francisco Marathon.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that was a full marathon.

511
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: It used to be.

512
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: Okay, it used to be.

513
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: It used to be. They went away with it.

514
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Speaker 1: San Francisco is a nightmare of a place for a

515
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Speaker 1: full marathon.

516
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think enough people were signing up for

517
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Speaker 2: the full marathon. It was crickets after the decision point

518
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: of who was running the half marathon, you see everyone

519
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: leaving towards the finish line, and then there's this second

520
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: runway of marathoners this way. Yeah, no one was choosing.

521
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Speaker 1: I mean, no offense to San Francisco, lovely city, but

522
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: twenty six point two miles of a lot of hills

523
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Speaker 1: is a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had the hills in the first part of

525
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Speaker 2: the race, which was the interesting part. And then the

526
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: marathoners then just went out along the highway and ran

527
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Speaker 2: around a lake where nobody was cheering, and then ran

528
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Speaker 2: back along the highway. It was it was miserable.

529
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Speaker 1: From the moment that you ran your first marathon on

530
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Speaker 1: Did you know that you would be hooked? Because I

531
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: feel like it can either go one of two ways.

532
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: It's like, man, I really love that, or like, wow,

533
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Speaker 1: I never want to do that again.

534
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Speaker 2: No. I think marathons are very hard.

535
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

536
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I run ultra marathons because I think they're for Yeah,

537
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: it's like the lazy person's marathon. It's great to run

538
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: slowly for a lot longer in the wilderness. It's amazing.

539
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: I think marathons are way harder.

540
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but your version of like slow for some is stellar.

541
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Speaker 2: It's just a different kind of thing challenge.

542
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, in your pr ultra marathon, yes, if I

543
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Speaker 1: were to ask you how what your pace was.

544
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Speaker 2: I don't know. The pace was somewhere like like an

545
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Speaker 2: eight to fifteen pace. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Casual, yes, just thirty miles at an eight to fifteen pace.

547
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: But when you're in the woods or in the desert,

548
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: totally differ. It's totally different because if you say the

549
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Speaker 2: pace to someone, let's say it was a thirteen minute mile,

550
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Speaker 2: it's like, well, that's not super impressive. But you have

551
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Speaker 2: to think about like the aid station stops, the uphill climbs.

552
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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes you're reaching points on the trail where

553
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: you can't run it, you're scrambling or you're climbing. So

554
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Speaker 2: pace is kind of irrelevant on the trails. In a

555
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Speaker 2: launtra marathon, I like to train people based on feel

556
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Speaker 2: and buy perceived effort, because if you're looking at your

557
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Speaker 2: watch for one hundred miles or for twenty four, twenty five,

558
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Speaker 2: twenty six hours, it's just not realistic.

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Speaker 1: Not realistic at all. Okay, you run a marathon, you

560
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Speaker 1: change your career, you change your career again, and now

561
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Speaker 1: how do we feel?

562
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Speaker 2: We feel good? Yeah, I feel good. I hesitate saying

563
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Speaker 2: we feel comfortable because that has a negative connotation to it, right, Like,

564
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to feel comfortable. Comfortable could mean bad.

565
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: You should be constantly challenging yourself.

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Speaker 1: Right, I like how you're looking at me for approval.

567
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: I think that comfortable. I think that comfortable can be

568
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Speaker 1: fine if you feel like you're constantly working to something better.

569
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: So it's okay to get comfortable with the uncomfortable, like

570
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: maybe every day still feels a little bit like a hustle,

571
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Speaker 1: and that I think is rewarding when you are kind

572
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Speaker 1: of your own boss. If you're comfortable, which means you're stagnant,

573
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Speaker 1: then I think that's bad. But if you're comfortable with

574
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Speaker 1: the hustle, then I think that's good.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, that's a good way to put it. Yes,

576
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: And so I feel like this has been much like

577
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: the pace of my hundred milers, this has been a

578
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: very slow build to get to where I am right

579
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Speaker 2: now because I've always been self conscious about you know,

580
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: I'm not the fastest runner, so why would someone want

581
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Speaker 2: to hire me as a coach, And so I have

582
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Speaker 2: taken the time to get certified, constantly reading, constantly learning,

583
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: going to seminars, going to training camps, so that maybe

584
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm not the fat justice runner, but I have the

585
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: most knowledge in the sport. So now my goal is

586
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Speaker 2: to become the go to trail and ultra running coach

587
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: in New York. Oh, because I think you are starting

588
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: to see it. There's such a thirst for trail running

589
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: and it's people are interested in it and people want

590
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Speaker 2: to do it, but it's a little difficult in New

591
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: York because we don't have the luxury of you know,

592
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Speaker 2: waking up and driving to the mountains in our backyard.

593
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: So there's an interest for it and a thirst for it,

594
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: but people don't quite know in New York how to

595
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Speaker 2: go about doing it, Like how do you train for

596
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: one hundred mile trail race while living in New York City?

597
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Speaker 1: Totally? And if I had to ask you how trail

598
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: running makes you feel, what would you say?

599
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: How trail running makes me feel other other than happy?

600
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: Trail running makes me feel challenged, be giving back to

601
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Speaker 2: the community all at the same time.

602
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what do you mean in a giving back

603
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Speaker 1: to the community sort of why trail running?

604
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Speaker 2: Sometimes we get a bad reputation for these road runners

605
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: coming to the trails running trail races and you know,

606
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: maybe leaving them in a in a worse state than

607
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: than when we got there. But the the og trail

608
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: runners that I that I started off with, it's not

609
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: only are you running these races, but we all volunteer

610
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: at the races as well. It's a it's a big

611
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: give back to the community kind of culture. So whether

612
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: it's pacing someone for a race, volunteering at a race,

613
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: doing bag check, hosting an AID station. Uh, it's just

614
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: what comes around goes around. So you feel like if

615
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: you if you drive out to Vermont and help someone

616
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: for their first one hundred miler, it's going to karma

617
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: is going to come back around, especially in the trail

618
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: and ultra world where everybody's helping each other.

619
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to come back to this idea of

620
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: running one hundred miles in one swoop. So can you

621
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Speaker 1: kind of take me through how you felt when you

622
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: first signed up for your first one and then where

623
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: that happened, and then let's talk about like the mental

624
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: side of all of that.

625
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the mental side is bigger than the

626
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: physical side in one hundred milers. That's why I find

627
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: them super fascinating. I mean, I was interested in them

628
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: because they tend to even the playing field a bit.

629
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Speaker 2: So someone who might be able to totally crush me

630
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: on the roads in a marathon, if you put them

631
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Speaker 2: on trail for one hundred miles, there's just so much

632
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: that can happen over the course of one hundred miles

633
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: that you end up being able to compete with people

634
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: of all ability levels. So my first one hundred miler,

635
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: it was in the desert. It's called the Halina hundred.

636
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: It's in Arizona. And my first one actually was not successful.

637
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: I dropped out at mile eighty three. Oh yes, so

638
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: it's in your head you think, oh, but you were

639
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 2: so close. But in my head, seventeen miles still meant

640
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: many hours out there, and it didn't feel close at

641
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: the time. And I was sitting down in front of

642
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: a hot fire, drinking hot soup, and I decided, this

643
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: is where I've come to end it. This feels lovely.

644
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean that's one of those like this

645
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: is a failure that teaches you how to kind of

646
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: carry on moments when don't.

647
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: You say, I find that in these hundred mile distances

648
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: miles seventy to one hundred or one hundred percent mental

649
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: toughness over physical ability. You could be the fittest person

650
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: out on the course, but if you don't have the

651
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: mental fortitude or the mental toughness to be awake and

652
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: still moving at three o'clock in the morning as an

653
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: ultra marathon or as a marathon, or you're working on

654
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: mental toughness, you're working on discipline, sticking to your training

655
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: plan come hell or high water. If you're working crazy

656
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: weeks traveling, you're trying to figure out the puzzle pieces

657
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: on how to make your training plan work, and you're

658
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: staying disciplined, and you're pushing through those tough times, and

659
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: you're working on all of those things in terms of

660
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: your race. But all of these qualities applied to real

661
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: life as well.

662
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: So after you duck out in that race at mile

663
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: eighty three, are you sitting there sipping soup thinking to yourself,

664
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: I can't wait to figure out what the next race

665
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: is going to be, Or are you like, man, I

666
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: am never doing this again. Please just keep me by

667
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: this fire. For all of a trinity, it was.

668
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: They gave me a lot of time to think about

669
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: the decision I had just made, because again, you're either

670
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: on trail in the middle of nowhere, or in this case,

671
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: I was halfway around found a twenty mile loop and

672
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: so I had to get back to the start somehow.

673
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: So I had to wait several hours for the van

674
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 2: or the truck to drive out and pick up US

675
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: runners who decided to DNF at that point.

676
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: So the dnfor those for those non runner types, Stansford

677
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: did not finish, did not finish. It's kind of hard

678
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: that they have like a abbreviation for this.

679
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, DNF, there's DNS, did not start, There's the affectionate

680
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: DFL dead fing.

681
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: Last there we go.

682
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: Yes, there's awards for that in some of these.

683
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a d DNS, DNS.

684
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: I debated a DNS. I had one race where I

685
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: woke up in the morning and really did not want

686
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: to do it. It's called the Escarpment Trail. It's an

687
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: eighteen mile trail race and it was challenging enough as

688
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: it was a lot of cliffs, lot of boulders, but

689
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: that morning it was just monsooning and it was an

690
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: unsafe race that you have to apply for and get into,

691
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: and I really did not want to do it that way.

692
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: Did it did? It was almost DFL but was not.

693
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: But that is the one race I have run where

694
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: I can honestly say I'll probably never do it again.

695
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I was DFL one time in my life. I think

696
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: my dad and I figured out the other day that

697
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: I was fourteen or thirteen. We decided to run the

698
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: Great Pumpkin Classic five K in my hometown. Meanwhile, like dad,

699
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: and I also wore the race T shirt for the run.

700
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: So this is this is a snapshot into the father

701
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: daughter capacity for the Great Pumpkin Classic. And we were

702
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: literally the last two, followed by the Trumbull Police Department

703
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: cop sweeper car right behind us. And I think that's

704
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: why matching race a matching race t shirts. And I

705
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: think that's probably why I just had such a negative

706
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: relationship with running until I just committed to it eventually

707
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: as an older adult. But yeah, being DFL isn't isn't

708
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: the best feeling.

709
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: It's not the best unless it's in the ultra trail

710
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: running world where they try and make fun of it

711
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: and make light of it and give out a prize

712
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 2: for it. What's the prize though, I mean maybe it's

713
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: some of these trail runs the prize is a painted

714
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: rock or a pie or I'm not your byl yeah,

715
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: or a hand made wooden cuckoo clock that's been one. Yeah,

716
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: So you get all kinds of stuff in these trail races.

717
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: Nice. Okay, So then we proceed to trail race again, Yes,

718
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: from the DNF.

719
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: From the DNF, what's the first successful trail race. The

720
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: first successful one was the Vermont one hundred Wow, so

721
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: left left the desert and went to the hills of

722
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: Vermont on my birthday weekend. I think it's fascinating how

723
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: many runners treat themselves to races for their birthday. Yea, yeah,

724
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: so that's one of the few one hundred milers where

725
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: they still allow the horses to compete alongside the runners.

726
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: So that was super fun and fascinating to watch. So

727
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: pro tip, the big pools of water that they have

728
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: at the aid stations in Vermont are not for the

729
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: runners at all. That is not for the runners to

730
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 2: cool off. That's for the horses.

731
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, And so how did it feel crossing the

732
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: finish line of your first one hundred mile race?

733
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: Sadly, that one felt a little anti climac really. Yeah,

734
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: you would think that it's this big, exhausting like ultras

735
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: can kind of rip open your soul and expose yourself

736
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: and just really break you down. I think at that

737
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: point in my first successful one, I was just too

738
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: exhausted and had been out there for so long that

739
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't know when I finally crossed the finish line.

740
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: It's this very unassuming finish line still in the middle

741
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: of the woods, and I crossed the finish line and

742
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: just didn't really know what to do with myself.

743
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, who was there to greet you when you finished?

744
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: I had a very cute crew team with me, cute

745
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: because they all had matching Team Woods shirts. But with

746
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: these ultras, it takes, it takes a whole team. You're

747
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: only as good as your crew team sometimes.

748
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: And when you say that, like, what does the crew

749
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: team do for you?

750
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: So in Vermont, that one was a point to point race,

751
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: and a lot of it is without cell phone service,

752
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: and the crew team is constantly driving from one mile

753
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: marker to the next wherever they can, wherever they're allowed

754
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: to access you on the trail, and they have your

755
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: change of clothes or shoes, additional fuel for you, first

756
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: aid kits, whatever you might possibly need. A lot of

757
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: these ultras, like my motto is to prepare for the

758
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: worst so the worst never happens. So you have an

759
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: extra pair of anything you could possibly need. And it's

760
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: the crew team's job to not trust the runner and

761
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: think for the runner and to help you figure out

762
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: what you might need, because you don't even know what

763
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 2: you need at that point.

764
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Want like a selfless choice to just hop on somebody's

765
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: crew team, like you must have really trusted these people.

766
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: I trusted these people. One was an experienced trail runner,

767
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: the others it was their first ultra and trail race

768
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: that they had ever been to, so I think it

769
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: was kind of a funny experience for them. It was

770
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: my best friend Steph, the one who got me into

771
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: running in the first place, but she's more of a

772
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: fast road racer as well as her husband. He's an

773
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: Olympic Trials qualifying marathon her, and so the whole point

774
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: of running to them is to be off your feet

775
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible, and so to watch people willingly

776
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: be out there for twenty four, twenty five, twenty six hours.

777
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: It was a little It was definitely a different experience

778
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: for them.

779
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: Having said that the end was anti climactic, yes, what

780
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: kept you motivated to do it again?

781
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: Well, of course I wanted to go back to have

782
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 2: Alena and finish that race, to finish the remaining seventy

783
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: miles that I hadn't finished the first go around. And

784
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: the second time I went back to have Alena is

785
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: when I really fell in love with that race, and

786
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: with the one hundred mile distance, the Havelena Race is

787
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: a twenty mile loop in the desert, and it creates

788
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: more of a party scene for the crew team, So

789
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: it's more fun for the crew team there. I think

790
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: they can set up camp at the start finish and

791
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: they don't have to follow you around, they don't have

792
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: to drive around, and it's more of this tent party

793
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: back at headquarters, so they can hang out, eat pizza,

794
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: drink beer, wait for their runners to come in every

795
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: twenty miles, and it's more of a party atmosphere and

796
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: this camaraderie than any other one hundred miler that I've

797
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: been to so far, so far, so far. Yes.

798
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: So then the question beckons for someone who hears this

799
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: and they're like, I could never do that, but they

800
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: still want to get into running. What are your quick

801
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: hit suggestions for someone who wants to start, because I

802
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: think for so many people, starting is the most intimidating part.

803
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: Hands down.

804
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you literally just said it. The first

805
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 2: and maybe only thing that you need is to want

806
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: to start, or to want to run, or to want

807
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: to run one hundred miles. I still think anyone can

808
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: run one hundred miles as long as they want to,

809
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: because it all comes down to why are you out there?

810
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 2: Why are you pushing your body to do these things?

811
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: And as long as you want to be there and

812
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: you want to do this, you're likely going to train

813
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: for it and then ultimately push through it and do it.

814
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: So as long as someone wants to get out there

815
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: and wants to get started, I think that's the first

816
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: major hurdle to get over. And there's so many apps

817
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: now and running crews and running teams and meditation apps

818
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: that talk you through your first run. There's so many

819
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: tools out there now that I think that getting into

820
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: your first five k or first group run is a

821
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: lot easier now than maybe it used to be.

822
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: I think to go along with that having the willpower

823
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: to start but then to stay. I think sometimes we

824
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: start and it's like, oh, this isn't so bad, but

825
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: then just other things get in the way. Right It's

826
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: like I was out late last night, so I'm not

827
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: going to get up today and run or m the

828
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: weather is kind of cloudy out. It's just not my thing.

829
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: And I think that's definitely the question that I get

830
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: constantly is like how do I stick with this, What

831
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: what motivates me to keep going?

832
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: Right? I think maybe when you hit those those points,

833
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: you have to find something that makes it fun.

834
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so totally.

835
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: If maybe racing isn't your ultimate goal and racing a

836
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: half marathon or a marathon isn't fun to you, that's

837
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: completely fine. Everyone doesn't have to race a marathon. But

838
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: if you find something that's keeping running fun for you,

839
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: then that's what's going to make you want to get

840
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: up and do it, even if it's raining outside, even

841
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: if you didn't get a lot of sleep the night before.

842
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: For me, it's having people to run with and having

843
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: that accountability and finding those crews or those teams that

844
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: make running fun for you. That's what helps me still

845
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: get out there and run, even when it might be

846
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: the last thing you want.

847
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: To do, the last thing you want to do. All right,

848
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: So then tell me, Jess, what's next on your radar.

849
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: Next on the radar is heading back to I'm a

850
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: little embarrassed to say it, but heading back to the

851
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: Havelena hundred. I tried to pick a different race this year,

852
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: but unfortunately wasn't healthy enough in time to train for it,

853
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: So we're going back to the Havelina hundred at the

854
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: end of October. The reason why I keep picking these

855
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: hundred milers is to ultimately run the Western States one hundred.

856
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Boston Marathon one hundred milers.

857
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: You have to qualify for it, but you qualify just

858
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: to be entered into the lottery, and then it's still

859
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: a lottery. So I've been in the lottery four times

860
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: thus far and haven't gotten in yet. So every year

861
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: I run one of the qualifying races on their list

862
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: so that I can get a ticket into the lottery

863
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: and hopefully eventually get into this darn dream race of mind.

864
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: Darn jury. You say something that begs addressing, which is injury. Yes,

865
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: what have you experienced injury wise?

866
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: Injury wise? For me, it's a little difficult sometimes to

867
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: be a coach as well as training for your own

868
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: personal race, because even with Flywheel, I can be on

869
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: my feet all day training someone one on run. I'm

870
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: taking them to the track for a track session, and

871
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: then you also have to get your own run in

872
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, So you have to

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Speaker 2: be really careful with taking into account not only the

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Speaker 2: runs that you're doing for yourself, but the time that

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Speaker 2: you're out there with other people and training other people,

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Speaker 2: that also counts. That's also stress that you're putting on

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Speaker 2: your body and time on your feet, and so that's

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Speaker 2: something that I'm hyper aware of and constantly try and

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Speaker 2: stay in tune with. But sometimes things creep up and

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Speaker 2: you try and address them as soon as things come up.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a big proponent of shutting things down when

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Speaker 2: you feel a tweak a twinge, and addressing it and

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Speaker 2: not pushing through it because it's just it's I don't

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Speaker 2: think anyone has ever gained anything by pushing through an injury.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever really pushed the envelope in a way that,

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Speaker 1: in retrospect maybe you wish you hadn't.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was. I was in a boot three years ago.

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Speaker 1: I remember the boot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the boot. I knew something was off, but I

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Speaker 2: had a run caation planned in Mexico. People lined up

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00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: to take time out of their lives to take me

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Speaker 2: on trails and show me things, and I just didn't

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Speaker 2: want to miss it and knew that I was doing

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Speaker 2: something wrong, and you know, taped it up with as

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Speaker 2: much KT tape as you think is going to help.

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Speaker 2: But that definitely set me back and put me in

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Speaker 2: the hole. I knew what I was doing at the time,

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Speaker 2: and I did it anyways, but definitely not worth it

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Speaker 2: to do that again.

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Speaker 1: What has been one of the best pieces of advice

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Speaker 1: that you have been offered in your career as a

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Speaker 1: runner so far?

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Speaker 2: The best pieces of advice I think I keep going

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Speaker 2: back to the common theme of only doing something if

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Speaker 2: you want to do it. I think signing up for

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Speaker 2: a race or a run because you think it's what

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Speaker 2: you should be doing, or you see others doing it

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Speaker 2: and you get caught up in the hype of comparing

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Speaker 2: yourself to others, and while everybody else is doing it,

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Speaker 2: so I should do it too. Life is too short

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Speaker 2: to sometimes do things that you don't want to do.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we always have to do some things that

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Speaker 2: we don't want to do. It's life. But I think

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Speaker 2: running is applicable to life and that we should ultimately

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Speaker 2: be driving to doing things that we want to be doing.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're winding down here, Coach Woods, winding down.

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Speaker 1: I haven't called you that at all in this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I know that's so weird, that's really caught on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 2: I like taking years to get to that point.

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Speaker 1: You've deserved it. Great, well, perfect woods. Yes, here's here's

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Speaker 1: the last question. You have an opportunity right now to

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Speaker 1: offer yourself the Jess who is leaving her full time

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Speaker 1: job with benefits at NBC a piece of advice going

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Speaker 1: through that hurdle moment pursuing her passions. What piece of

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Speaker 1: advice do you offer her?

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Speaker 2: Uh? My one major piece of advice to myself would

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Speaker 2: have been to do it sooner. I know I was

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Speaker 2: really cautious in making sure that I had everything lined

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Speaker 2: up in order to make that jump and to and

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Speaker 2: to get over that hurdle moment. But my one piece

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Speaker 2: of advice to myself would have been to pursue it sooner,

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Speaker 2: to do it too.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time. Yes, you're the best.

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Speaker 1: You're the best. Please take a moment to leave a

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Speaker 1: quick review by clicking the link with the description to

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Speaker 1: this episode. We all face multiple hurdles in life. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear about yours. Reach out to me at

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Speaker 1: Emily at hurdle dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and Facebook at Hurdle Podcast. Jess. Where do they find you?

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Speaker 1: How do they keep up with you? How do they

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Speaker 1: follow the hundred milers.

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Speaker 2: You can follow along on Instagram at j E s

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Speaker 2: l y n n y C Orcoachjess dot com.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Coachjess dot com on my to do list right now. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: I am at Emily Abody. Another hurdle conquered. Catch you

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Speaker 1: guys next time, bam