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Speaker 3: dot com. Let's turn out to the FBI. There has
Speaker 3: been more bigclownish behavior there from the FBI director Cash Pattel.
Speaker 3: Let's start with a fishy story right now. Everybody should
Speaker 3: keep their eyebrows up. Let's put this up here on
Speaker 3: the screen. The FBI director Cash Pattel announced the disruption
Speaker 3: of a major terror plot on Hallo's Eve, and he
Speaker 3: said that the FBI, through the heroic action, had stopped
Speaker 3: this upcoming case of a plotted attack on Halloween. However,
Speaker 3: the defense lawyer for the suspect is now disputing the
Speaker 3: allegations that his twenty year old client and four other
Speaker 3: young suspects were planning to carry this out at all.
Speaker 3: So announcing the arrest, Patel said more information would be
Speaker 3: coming soon. However, FBI in Michigan authorities have now offered
Speaker 3: quote few details about the case. Spokespersons for the state, National, FBI,
Speaker 3: and the US attorney are not responding to any messages.
Speaker 3: The investigation involved discussion in an online chat room involving
Speaker 3: at least some of the suspects taken into custody. They
Speaker 3: spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity. The group
Speaker 3: allegedly discussed carrying out an attack around Halloween, referring to
Speaker 3: Pumpkin Day, and the other person briefed on the investigation
Speaker 3: confirmed there had been a quote Pumpkin reference. However, the
Speaker 3: lawyer who represents one of the men from Dearborn, who
Speaker 3: has detained Saturday, said federal authorities have given him not
Speaker 3: many details about the investigation. He concluded that no terror
Speaker 3: event was planned. He said he doesn't even expect any
Speaker 3: charges to be filed. Quote, I don't know where this
Speaker 3: hysteria and this fear mongering came from. He described an
Speaker 3: all male group of US citizen gamers, who they said
Speaker 3: range in age from sixteen to twenty, young men on
Speaker 3: forums that they should not have been on or things
Speaker 3: in nature. Then we'll have to wait and see. But
Speaker 3: I don't believe there's anything about illegal about the activity
Speaker 3: that they were doing. All of this actually just comes
Speaker 3: down to the professionalism of the FBI. Obviously, look, any
Speaker 3: defense lawyers is going to say his client's innocent, so
Speaker 3: who knows what's rate and see whether the charges were filed.
Speaker 3: But the point remains that the FBI announced that the
Speaker 3: terror plot had allegedly been disrupted without offering many details.
Speaker 3: There was no criminal case, and lawyers immediately were saying, hey,
Speaker 3: by coming out and making these claims, if they don't
Speaker 3: hold up, this can then be used by the defense
Speaker 3: in court to combat them. And so it's like, well,
Speaker 3: hold on, were you just trying to get a headline
Speaker 3: where you just trying to maybe, you know, curry some
Speaker 3: political favor.
Speaker 1: Let's say what the president.
Speaker 3: That's where it's not that you should believe the defense lawyer,
Speaker 3: it's that he should look at the fact that no
Speaker 3: charge is filed, there's no indictment, yet there's no, nothing
Speaker 3: really in terms of the investigation. We're dealing with some
Speaker 3: chat room gamers, which, look, I'll save my gaming commentary,
Speaker 3: but you know, the point remains, there is such a
Speaker 3: thing as you know, trial in this country, and their
Speaker 3: clownish behavior from the Tyler Robinson case to now this
Speaker 3: one shows that in many cases their lack of professionalism
Speaker 3: will eventually come back to bite them in the ass
Speaker 3: in court, as it has multiple times.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump well, and also the FBI has never been
Speaker 2: above just like inventing some shit and like yeah, this
Speaker 2: is yeah, going back to the War on terror in
Speaker 2: before that, but in the modern era the war on
Speaker 2: terror stuff, and this has some of the homemarks of
Speaker 2: you know, one of those invented plots you have, Like
Speaker 2: you said, the biggest red flag is no charges filed. Okay,
Speaker 2: if you got them deadero they're plotting a attack on Halloween,
Speaker 2: wouldn't you think you would have some charges ready to go.
Speaker 4: Okay? That's number one.
Speaker 2: Number Two, government being extremely cagy about any of the details,
Speaker 2: won't tell you what it was they were planning, any
Speaker 2: of you know, any of the specifics of what was
Speaker 2: going on here. Defense lawyer obviously is I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: defense lawyer always going to say their client was innocent,
Speaker 2: but this guy was going particularly hard on the paint
Speaker 2: of like.
Speaker 4: This is absolute and total bullshit.
Speaker 2: There was nothing illegal going on here, we will be vindicated,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 4: So you've got all of that.
Speaker 2: And Max Blumenthal also flagged in the CNN reporting they
Speaker 2: mentioned that there was like an FBI agent in the chat.
Speaker 1: From early on. That's a given, which is yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Isn't that, Like, I mean, that's and that's one of
Speaker 2: the things they would do during the War on Terror era,
Speaker 2: which apparently is back full force because these were apparently
Speaker 2: appeared to be young Muslim men in and around dearborn Michigan.
Speaker 2: So there's a political angle here too, of you know,
Speaker 2: they're very set on painting all, you know, and making
Speaker 2: us all scared of Muslims again in this country. And
Speaker 2: there's a whole effort going on among a number of
Speaker 2: individuals to like denaturalize anyone who who is Muslim and
Speaker 2: wasn't originally born in this country, including you know, Jank
Speaker 2: Gueger being threatened by Katie Miller on Pierce Morgan. But
Speaker 2: in any case, you know, there's a political incentive again
Speaker 2: to create a hysteria around potential terror plots. And and
Speaker 2: so I would be deeply suspicious of the details of
Speaker 2: this supposed foiled Halloween terror.
Speaker 3: Plot, oh, one hundred percent. And who is this man
Speaker 3: that we are.
Speaker 1: Looking at, mister Patel? Who is this gentleman? Does he spend?
Speaker 3: Tell me is private time? Let's go ahead and put
Speaker 3: this third element up here, shall we? So what do
Speaker 3: we have here? The FBI has now fired a top
Speaker 3: official amid cash Betel's outrage over reports of agency jet use.
Speaker 1: So let me just I'll read some of the details.
Speaker 3: A top FBI official with twenty seven years standing has
Speaker 3: now been fired by the bureau from its director after
Speaker 3: he became enraged by press stories revealing he had used
Speaker 3: a government jet to travel to see his girlfriend sing
Speaker 3: the national anthem at a wrestling match. Stephen Palmer, who
Speaker 3: had worked at the Bureau since ninety eight, was hired
Speaker 3: as the head of FBI's Critical Incident Response Group, which
Speaker 3: is responsible for handling Majors six ccurity threads, as well
Speaker 3: as overseeing the agency's fleet of jets. The third head
Speaker 3: of the unit to be dismissed by Patel since the
Speaker 3: Trump administration Bloomberg Law, which broke the story, said three
Speaker 3: unnamed sources had expressed astonishment at the sacking, given that
Speaker 3: Patel's flight schedules were fully public and trackable on websites
Speaker 3: like flight Aware. A day after her performance, Patel himself
Speaker 3: reposted photos showing him together with his girlfriend country singer
Speaker 3: Alexis Wilkins on his Twitter account, and according to Bloomberg,
Speaker 3: Patel became furious after stories were published about the event
Speaker 3: and his use of the FBI jet to go on
Speaker 3: a date with Wilkins. So Patel fires the individual in
Speaker 3: charge I guess of the agency fleet of jets and
Speaker 3: also puts out this statement from his personal account. Let's
Speaker 3: just go ahead and read some of this. Shall we
Speaker 3: proud of the work of this FBI. We're taking violent
Speaker 3: criminals off the streets.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Let me be clear, we will not.
Speaker 3: Be distracted by basis rumors or the noise from uninformed
Speaker 3: internet anarchists and the fake news. I've always said, criticized
Speaker 3: me all you want, but going after the people doing
Speaker 3: great work, my personal life or those around me is
Speaker 3: a total disgrace. The disgustingly baseless attacks against Alexis a
Speaker 3: true patriot and the woman I am proud to call
Speaker 3: my partner in life are beyond pathetic. She is a
Speaker 3: rock solid conservative and a country music sensation who has
Speaker 3: done more for the nation than most will in ten lifetimes. Now, again,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not familiar with miss Wilkins or her
Speaker 3: country music. I will note she is twenty six years
Speaker 3: old and he's, you know, in his forties, and I
Speaker 3: guess that's the way he's talking about his toy six
Speaker 3: year old girlfriend who's a country music singer.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's nice to see him ride for his woman.
Speaker 3: Certainly, if she's your partner in life, she'd probably put
Speaker 3: a ring on it there, mister Patel. But you know,
Speaker 3: there is just something a little grotesque about defending your
Speaker 3: use of a private jet, which costs tens of thousands
Speaker 3: of dollars flying it at the government expense presumably, or
Speaker 3: maybe if you are reimbursing, you should at least say
Speaker 3: that we don't know the full details.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's where we're at. His cash Betel
Speaker 1: is now posting about how his girlfriend has done. His
Speaker 1: twenty six year old country music girlfriend has done more
Speaker 1: for this nation than most will in ten lifetimes. Again,
Speaker 1: not an attack on miss Wilkins, but I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: that about any country music singer, including the ones who
Speaker 1: are enormously successful.
Speaker 2: Well at least has he been consistent on the issue
Speaker 2: of government's jet use at taxpayer fund So.
Speaker 3: What did he say in twenty twenty three about Christopher
Speaker 3: Ray and him using the government G five to go
Speaker 3: on vacation.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying take all their funding. I'm not
Speaker 5: the defund everything guy. I'm just saying Chris Ray doesn't
Speaker 5: need a government funded G five jet to go to vacation.
Speaker 5: Maybe we ground that plane fifteen thousand every time it
Speaker 5: takes off.
Speaker 3: I agree, sing, I absolutely agree. If you want to
Speaker 3: see a girlfriend in where was it Nashville or something
Speaker 3: like that. Okay, hop commercial, brother, there's six flights today
Speaker 3: from DCA to Nashville.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cheap. You can go sit back there and
Speaker 1: coach if you want to guess. It's not off. You know,
Speaker 1: so it must be.
Speaker 3: Nice to fly private all over the world or all
Speaker 3: over the country to go see your girlfriend. Saying it
Speaker 3: definitely it's a luxury. Indeed, that should of course be
Speaker 3: befitted to all of them.
Speaker 1: Well, and.
Speaker 2: This is at a time when the government of shut down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you have many, you know, one hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: of government workers who are continuing to work, many of
Speaker 2: them and not get paid, when you have foodstamp benefits
Speaker 2: being cut off, and you are flying around at taxpayer
Speaker 2: expense to go watch a girlfriend saying the national anthem.
Speaker 2: This man also, I mean, he's just like in confidence personified,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, this handling of everything is a joke.
Speaker 2: Everything he claimed that he stood for before he came
Speaker 2: into this office is a complete and total joke.
Speaker 4: Is out there.
Speaker 2: You know, was writing books about how he would run
Speaker 2: the FBI, and of course was a leading leading proponent
Speaker 2: of released the Epstein files blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And we've seen how that has gone.
Speaker 2: The handling of the Tyler Robinson, your Charlie Kirk, Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk's murder has been pathetic. And so you know, in
Speaker 2: a sense, he's become a kind of a unifying figure
Speaker 2: because I do feel like there is a cross partisan
Speaker 2: level of contempt for this man who he is and
Speaker 2: the way that he has performed his duties.
Speaker 3: Here is always telling you The Valhalla thing is is
Speaker 3: a mean, like the whole people who aren't even political
Speaker 3: know the I mean, it's not funny, but it's it's
Speaker 3: crazy that he would actually say that at a national
Speaker 3: public press conference, and like that's a sketch across the
Speaker 3: country right now. Even people again who aren't even into
Speaker 3: politics can make the Valhalla joke and everybody knows what
Speaker 3: they're talking about. A lot of people went for cash
Speaker 3: to tell to break through. Yeah, and you know it's funny.
Speaker 3: Somebody texts me, they're like, why did you put cash
Speaker 3: with a dollar sign in our headline the other day?
Speaker 3: Did you all notice the pin that he was wearing
Speaker 3: It said cash because of him, because he was doing
Speaker 3: this crypto thing.
Speaker 2: We're just giving a yeah show.
Speaker 1: I'm using his own moniker. Okay, all right, that's where
Speaker 1: the cash clown, the cash thing comes from. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: literally a joke.
Speaker 3: So congratulations to Cash and to Alexis Wilkins.
Speaker 4: Let's get to to Israel, our great ally.
Speaker 2: Let me give you some of the backstory here For
Speaker 2: you guys who don't recall, we can put these images
Speaker 2: up on the screen. Horrific video leaked a while back
Speaker 2: showing the abuse, including sexual abuse of this Palestinian hostage.
Speaker 2: You can see the way that the IDF there, and
Speaker 2: this was in this notorious city Tayman prison facility. And
Speaker 2: so once this comes down and they go to actually
Speaker 2: arrest these men who were involved in this abuse and
Speaker 2: this rape, what you saw there was a riot broke out,
Speaker 2: a right to rape riot broke out in Israel, including
Speaker 2: some politicians from the governing coalition and the ruling party
Speaker 2: who were involved in this, who were not upset about.
Speaker 4: The abuse of No, of course, they weren't upset about that.
Speaker 2: They were upset that there might be any sort of
Speaker 2: charges and accountability, even some like sort of bogus sham investigation,
Speaker 2: which is what it has totally turned out to be.
Speaker 2: They were horrified that there would be any recriminations against
Speaker 2: anyone that was involved with the literal sexual abuse of
Speaker 2: a Palestinian prisoner that they were holding there.
Speaker 4: By the way, this was not a one off. This
Speaker 4: was not a one off.
Speaker 2: We've seen numerous reports from international organization, testimony from people
Speaker 2: who have come out of this facility in particular, but
Speaker 2: others as well. We've seen New York Times reporting about
Speaker 2: the systematic rape and sexual abuse of Palestinians being.
Speaker 4: Held by the IDF. So what happened to you.
Speaker 2: Apparently is, you know, if you want to avoid getting
Speaker 2: the ICC involved as a country, you have to show
Speaker 2: that you are taking seriously the allegations against your own people,
Speaker 2: any sort of like war crime allegations against your own people.
Speaker 4: So Israel will occasionally.
Speaker 2: Do these like sham investigations effectively to try to keep
Speaker 2: their image of oh, no, we're the you know, we're
Speaker 2: democracy in the Middle East. Anything that goes wrong, we
Speaker 2: have accountability, et cetera, et cetera. So this was so
Speaker 2: bad that the video was leaked and they did this
Speaker 2: sham investigation. By the way, all of these continued to
Speaker 2: be free, etc. Okay, so what has happened since then?
Speaker 2: Let's put D three up on the screen next to
Speaker 2: give you the backstory here. So it has been revealed
Speaker 2: who it was this IDF legal chief who ended up
Speaker 2: leaking the video. So first her name is military advocate general.
Speaker 2: You fought Tomayr. You're a Shawmi. So first she resigns,
Speaker 2: Then she actually disappears and they found what appeared to be.
Speaker 4: A potential suicide note in her car.
Speaker 2: Because there is this mass backlash in Israeli society, not
Speaker 2: again over the abuse of these prisoners, but of the
Speaker 2: fact that she leaked this video so that the world
Speaker 2: could see what was actually going on. So the headline
Speaker 2: here idf Legal chief avoided probes into the gods of
Speaker 2: war crime citing right wing backlash, sources say amid resignation.
Speaker 2: So just so you understand who this lady is. This
Speaker 2: is not some you know, lefty liberal person. This is
Speaker 2: someone who avoided in significant instances, including the strike on
Speaker 2: the World Central Kitchen workers, including on multiple hospital strikes
Speaker 2: that killed civilians, including reporters. This is someone who buried
Speaker 2: all of that and refused to investigate all of those things.
Speaker 2: Why because she was worried about right wing backlash. So
Speaker 2: now that we have the information that she was the
Speaker 2: one who leaked this video, they are calling for her
Speaker 2: head and I mean literally all the way up to
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjamin Natnyahu himself. Let's go ahead and show
Speaker 2: D two. So Bibe is saying here that the rape
Speaker 2: of Israeli soldiers of Palace and prisoners in City Teman
Speaker 2: caused enormous damage to the image of the State of
Speaker 2: Israel and the Israeli army and our soldiers. This may be,
Speaker 2: he says, the most difficult propaganda attack that the State
Speaker 2: of Israel has faced, and says establishment, I don't recall
Speaker 2: an incident centered.
Speaker 4: With this degree of force.
Speaker 2: This require there is an independent investigation, not affiliated with
Speaker 2: any party, and I expect such an investigation to be conducted.
Speaker 2: And then at bottom you see the image of the rapists.
Speaker 2: This is them publishing a photo boasting while masked after
Speaker 2: a press conference, so it is not to be identified
Speaker 2: and prosecuted judicially abroad. And the most important thing this
Speaker 2: person says is that in all of Israel, no one
Speaker 2: is talking about the heinousness of the rape, but rather
Speaker 2: the anchor is focused only on the leak of the
Speaker 2: videos that expose the crime. And this is what really
Speaker 2: bothers them. I mean, just what a twisted what a
Speaker 2: twisted society that there's no ups I mean, listen, got
Speaker 2: we criticized this country all the time. You know, when
Speaker 2: the Abu Grave photos came out, that was a genuine scandal, right,
Speaker 2: people were horrified by it. Okay, now you have this
Speaker 2: come out. This isn't a scandal that these soldiers were
Speaker 2: raping Palestinians. The scandal is that the information came out
Speaker 2: and they are calling for literal lynch mobs against this woman,
Speaker 2: and she's going to be charged, and you know it
Speaker 2: has already had to sign is like threatening suicide because
Speaker 2: she's so terrified of what they're going to do to her.
Speaker 4: Societally completely insane stories.
Speaker 1: Most Americans are good people.
Speaker 3: During Abu Grabe, even you know Iraq Invade, Iraq War,
Speaker 3: you know, chest beating warrior, people were all still horrified
Speaker 3: by the video, and there were bipartisan outrage over what happened.
Speaker 3: And I mean I remember even the names of some
Speaker 3: of those interrogators. Those were household names here in the
Speaker 3: United States. Over there, yeah, not so much because they
Speaker 3: want to protect them. I guess the whole thing is
Speaker 3: just so crazy, and it's just so funny from Netanyahu
Speaker 3: to be like, this is one of the worst things
Speaker 3: that's ever happened in the history of the state of Israel.
Speaker 1: The leak of the video.
Speaker 2: Again to be clear, which she is, it's not like
Speaker 2: she put it out because she was really like concerned about,
Speaker 2: you know, what was going on there. She was worried
Speaker 2: about the ICC getting involved. That's what all of this
Speaker 2: was meant to forestall like the video was out there,
Speaker 2: the abuse was undeniable, and so this was an attempt
Speaker 2: to you know, be able to Okay, well, we'll do
Speaker 2: our investigator. Don't worry, we care about them. We totally
Speaker 2: care about these things. And so that was the course
Speaker 2: that she ultimately took. And then, as I said before,
Speaker 2: you know, reporting from Haretz was that she passed on
Speaker 2: a bunch of investigations, and her whole thing was to
Speaker 2: bury things, to cover them up, to delay, to push
Speaker 2: them off, even things like you guys remember all of
Speaker 2: the tumult over the World Central Kitchen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stri because it was.
Speaker 4: Huge news, jose Andresinfald.
Speaker 2: You know, there was the Biden administration was concerned because
Speaker 2: people knew this guy, and Israeli's promised there would be
Speaker 2: this investigation. This is the lady that buried all of that.
Speaker 2: So that's what we're talking about. And even that is
Speaker 2: not enough, because she didn't just completely cover up and
Speaker 2: bury every single instance of Israeli war crimes.
Speaker 1: It's literally like a mob that's running the show over there.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's just so crazy.
Speaker 3: And at the very same time, there's like this whole
Speaker 3: fight over here about pro Israel support and it's a
Speaker 3: Western country and it's nor They're just like they're actually
Speaker 3: better than us. They have a better military, they're safer,
Speaker 3: they conduct things in a more humane and humanitarian way. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can look at this. There's
Speaker 3: only one case for Israel now at this point, which
Speaker 3: is like the uber hawk like Zionis case, where they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they do whatever they want to do. It's like a
Speaker 3: right wing authoritarian ish type government and they back us up,
Speaker 3: so we should back them up. It's like the same
Speaker 3: argument you would make on Saudi Arabia. I can't accept that.
Speaker 3: I don't like, I don't believe it. I think it's wrong,
Speaker 3: and I think that costs us much more. There's no
Speaker 3: liberal Zionis case anymore for this country, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: Like it's dead. It's over, not just in terms of
Speaker 3: the war, but also in terms of the way that
Speaker 3: their entire society is structured, and clearly the democratic out
Speaker 3: that's another thing. How can we just deny it at
Speaker 3: this point these really people very clearly had no issue
Speaker 3: with the war in Gaza.
Speaker 1: They just like really didn't care.
Speaker 3: We need to accept that that's just reality.
Speaker 2: I had differences opinion on how to handle the hospital hostice.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's basically so be it.
Speaker 3: I mean again, I can kind of understand where they're
Speaker 3: how they got there, just given their history and their
Speaker 3: media environment.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with it, but whatever.
Speaker 3: We need to accept that that is genuinely with the
Speaker 3: democratic direction of the Israeli government. But now here you
Speaker 3: see a literal breakdown in the thing that they sell
Speaker 3: to us about why they're so different than the rest
Speaker 3: of the people in the Middle East. I've said this
Speaker 3: now for several months. I think they're all pretty much
Speaker 3: exactly the same. They're the same, And so you don't
Speaker 3: be coming to me talking about barbarism and all that
Speaker 3: stuff elsewhere where.
Speaker 2: The children of the Light, I'm just like, okay, listen,
Speaker 2: the children of the Light, right are the ones having
Speaker 2: right to grape right.
Speaker 3: I would happily just deal with you in the same
Speaker 3: way that we deal with all other Middle Eastern countries.
Speaker 1: What's in it for us and what's not?
Speaker 3: And right now, the fact that an entire access of
Speaker 3: US politics is literally around determined to protect this country
Speaker 3: from its own mistakes and to give them shelter at
Speaker 3: the ICC for the International Court to take over their
Speaker 3: problems in Gaza, to spend hundds of billions of dollars
Speaker 3: over the last several decades to justify and contort you
Speaker 3: our own moral image and political rhetoric, to justify the
Speaker 3: bombing the debts of tens of thousands of women and
Speaker 3: children for purposes that again remain completely mysterious in terms
Speaker 3: of any beneficial to us. Not to mention, you know,
Speaker 3: the horrific scenes that we all see.
Speaker 1: There's no words for this, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the only word is to ignore it, which is
Speaker 3: what the entire Western press is doing about this. There's
Speaker 3: just not a word, no, okay, not one word about
Speaker 3: any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even know.
Speaker 3: Ask your average Zio supporter do you know about this
Speaker 3: rape case in America?
Speaker 1: They won't know anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Literally, there's more controversy in Israel than there is here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy true.
Speaker 2: And to your point about the liberal Zionis case being dead,
Speaker 2: which I think is reflected in the Democratic Party base
Speaker 2: and how much they have just completely They're like, this
Speaker 2: is disgusting, it's a genocide. We don't want anything to
Speaker 2: do with this country. Here's you know, in an instance
Speaker 2: with D five up on the screen. Here, this is
Speaker 2: Ben Kvere and you can see him, you know, pointing
Speaker 2: at these hostages, Palistinni hostages who are They're handcuffed zip tide,
Speaker 2: you know, on the floor, face down. And what he
Speaker 2: says here is do you see them? This is how
Speaker 2: they are now. But one thing remains to be done,
Speaker 2: and that is to execute them. Okay, those are our
Speaker 2: great allies, the great Western style democracy in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: So you know, don't don't kid yourself about what this
Speaker 2: government is, and don't kid yourself about what the society
Speaker 2: supports at this point, because this is this is the
Speaker 2: reality that we're dealing with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know no words for it, seriously,
Speaker 3: absolutely none whatever. Speaking of Israel, it is now destroying
Speaker 3: the Republican Party much in the same way that it
Speaker 3: absolutely destroyed the Democratic Party, and it's exposing a schism
Speaker 3: between the party elite, the.
Speaker 1: People in power, the old guard, and the.
Speaker 3: Younger generation, which is increased going into dramatically different directions.
Speaker 3: And there is a full blown campaign right now amongst
Speaker 3: Republican Party elites to cancel Tucker Carlson and really also
Speaker 3: to just silence any critics of Israel. Let's get specifically
Speaker 3: to the recent Republican Jewish Coalition meeting here in Washington,
Speaker 3: where multiple speakers took the podium to denounce Tucker Carlson
Speaker 3: to justify support for Israel.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen first to Randy Fine today.
Speaker 7: Tucker Carlson is the most dangerous anti Semite in America.
Speaker 7: Multiple speakers have talked about the rise of anti Semitism
Speaker 7: on the right, but it is not enough to speak
Speaker 7: in platitudes or generalities about the fight. We must call
Speaker 7: evil by its name. It's chosen to take on the
Speaker 7: mantle of leader of a modern day Hitler youth, to
Speaker 7: broadcast and feature those who celebrate the Nazis, those who
Speaker 7: call for the extermination of Israel, to defend Tamas, to
Speaker 7: even criticized President Trump for stopping Iron's nuclear ambitions.
Speaker 1: Yes, how dare you criticize President Trump? Start anyway?
Speaker 4: They had? They had Tucker is not maggots signs like
Speaker 4: sprint it up.
Speaker 1: Right, not an op whatsoever?
Speaker 3: Right, clearly not designed to Kinko's in a room of
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty people. There By the way, did
Speaker 3: not just wasn't just the self described Hebrew hammer of
Speaker 3: of Republican Randy Fine. We also had Mark Levin, a
Speaker 3: very vocal supporter of Israel, openly supporting cancelation, deplatforming.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8: Hitler admirers, Stalin admirers, Jew haters, American haters, Churchill haters.
Speaker 8: You're damn right. We're going to cancel them and deep
Speaker 8: platform them. It's called the market system. They don't have
Speaker 8: a lifetime job like a bureaucrat who we're going to protect.
Speaker 8: And if they're your friend, there's something wrong with you.
Speaker 8: No Hitler admirer, Holocaust denier, platformer should be in anybody's friend.
Speaker 8: As a matter of fact, you don't get to wrap
Speaker 8: your psychotic, mental, unhinged Nazi clan jihadis bullshit around American patriotism.
Speaker 8: You don't get to claim your MAGA and America first.
Speaker 8: When you're lining up with a Marxist and the Islamis
Speaker 8: and Hamas and the terrorists, that's not America first, that's sick.
Speaker 3: We're going to cancel, We're going to deplatform them. And
Speaker 3: then finally, my personal favorite pitch from Lindsey Graham about
Speaker 3: what MAGA really is all about.
Speaker 1: Take a listen. In his own words, I feel good
Speaker 1: about the Republican Party.
Speaker 6: I feel good about where we're going in the nation.
Speaker 6: We're killing all the right people or cutting your Texas.
Speaker 6: So to those who worry about these stupid interviews and
Speaker 6: far off places, don't worry. The Republican Party has figured
Speaker 6: it out. When it comes to Israel, we understand that
Speaker 6: Israel is a friend of America to the bitter end.
Speaker 3: We are cutting your taxes and we are killing all
Speaker 3: the right people. That is now Lindsey Graham's pitch for
Speaker 3: what MAGA is all about. And all of this is
Speaker 3: in the context the fallout of the Tucker Carlson Nick
Speaker 3: Fuentes interview, which has caused like massive consternation here in Washington.
Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up here from a Heritage Foundation,
Speaker 3: which previously put out a video which you guys covered
Speaker 3: on Friday, in defense of Tucker Carlson, but also saying
Speaker 3: I disagree with Nick Fuintez. Here's like a long tortured
Speaker 3: statement from Kevin Roberts, the president of Heritage of Hope,
Speaker 3: saying yesterday I said I absorb abhorred views by Nick
Speaker 3: Fuentez and a long thing about racism and anti Semitism
Speaker 3: are not relics of the past. Actually, anti semitism and
Speaker 3: all that is a huge problem. Let me just zoom
Speaker 3: out and kind of give my general take about what's
Speaker 3: happening here. Yeah, this is the same thing that happened
Speaker 3: in the Democratic Party. Israel has been ripping apart the
Speaker 3: coalition from the beginning, which is young people who are
Speaker 3: skeptical of war, who are also deeply concerned about the
Speaker 3: financial system, and the traditional three legged stool party elites.
Speaker 3: Trump was a band aid during the campaign which could
Speaker 3: somehow convince an RFK Tulsi supporter to vote for him.
Speaker 3: In addition to the Republican Jewish Coalition and others who
Speaker 3: say this most pro Israel president of all time, why
Speaker 3: did that fall apart? Because, like Biden, you're not just
Speaker 3: in the campaign anymore.
Speaker 1: You have power.
Speaker 3: When you have power, you make discrete choices. You made
Speaker 3: a discrete choice to support Israel in the vacuum of that.
Speaker 3: What the Republican Party elites did is throughout the entire
Speaker 3: Biden administration and the early Trump administration, any critic of
Speaker 3: the government of Israel and of US support for Israel
Speaker 3: was branded anti semitic. From the beginning, there was a
Speaker 3: concerted effort to make sure any critique of Donald Trump
Speaker 3: on the state of Israel was in highly anti semitic.
Speaker 3: So what happened with a significant portion of young podcast
Speaker 3: curious young dudes who were pro Trump and who are
Speaker 3: anti war. Where do you think that they started to
Speaker 3: seek out some of their Israel and Trump criticism. That's
Speaker 3: kind of a secondary part. And this is a sickness
Speaker 3: that is currently in Magamedia. Nobody is ever able who
Speaker 3: is quote unquote pro Trump or who is not a
Speaker 3: leftist to just say basic critiques about Trump administration. And
Speaker 3: so there is also a huge appetite for people who
Speaker 3: are critical of Trump, not even just say from the right,
Speaker 3: but who are not leftists. That's what a lot of
Speaker 3: people who voted for Trump and who disagree with what
Speaker 3: they say want to hear. That is the vacuum through
Speaker 3: which mister Fuentes has been able to resuscitate much of
Speaker 3: his image. Let's all remember where Nick Fuentez was before
Speaker 3: October seventh. He was working on the kangne campaign doing
Speaker 3: screens about you know whatever, black IQ or whatever on
Speaker 3: his show. Okay, that's where he was and yes, he
Speaker 3: was canceled to within an inch of his life. He
Speaker 3: was off Twitter on unbanned him their SuperFect circumstance that
Speaker 3: led to October seventh and the rerise.
Speaker 1: Let's say on Twitter that is.
Speaker 3: But though this is the this is what drives me
Speaker 3: crazy about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: They act like it came out of a vacuum.
Speaker 3: It is a creation of the unending cancellation rhetoric from
Speaker 3: the Zionist right that has now pervaded all of politics
Speaker 3: for the last two years, which has pushed people to
Speaker 3: the point where any criticism of the State of Israel's
Speaker 3: conflated with anti semitism. The definition itself no longer means
Speaker 3: almost anything to anyone, and they don't want to hear
Speaker 3: it anymore. And then finally this kind of gets to
Speaker 3: the whole rhetoric thing. And I saw this from Dave Smith.
Speaker 3: How can I be lectured about racial politics and divisive
Speaker 3: language after watching these people cheer on the depths of
Speaker 3: starving children over the last two Let you're gonna lecture
Speaker 3: me about morality and about race politics when you support
Speaker 3: explicitly racially realigned state in the Middle East and you
Speaker 3: create your whole identity around this. You have no moral
Speaker 3: authority over me to lecture me about how my country
Speaker 3: should act in relation to this other. That is the
Speaker 3: vacuum through which this has all been created. And there's
Speaker 3: so many I know, so many young people. They're not leftists,
Speaker 3: and yes, even with Israel, they're not you know, genocide
Speaker 3: posters or cafe awares at protests. They're just disgusted this
Speaker 3: is being done both in our name and that we're
Speaker 3: paying for it, and of the obsession of foreign politicians
Speaker 3: while they have an inability to succeed financially in this country.
Speaker 3: That's the entire thing that is about it. So that's
Speaker 3: the schism. Charlie Kirk was doing his best, by the
Speaker 3: way to try to maintain this and his loss really
Speaker 3: what has erupted, you know, I think with this shows
Speaker 3: how frankly valuable he was to the state of Israel,
Speaker 3: I think in his ability to try and to square
Speaker 3: this circle. But this conflict was inevitable because of the
Speaker 3: situation that they created. And so I don't know, I
Speaker 3: just I can't stand like so many of this, Randy Fine,
Speaker 3: I mean, think about the things Randy Fine, Randy Feind said,
Speaker 3: he wants to nuke Gaza. You're going to lecture me
Speaker 3: about morality.
Speaker 4: Called for them all to be starting, they called.
Speaker 3: For them to be starved, and you're going to lecture
Speaker 3: me about Hitlerism and about racism and morality police.
Speaker 1: It's like, fuck you.
Speaker 3: You know, well, and that's that is, you know, and
Speaker 3: this is a long way before because this is what
Speaker 3: I want to make sure I'm not saying. I'm no
Speaker 3: fan of mister f who probably thinks I should be
Speaker 3: denaturalized and deported and then my interracial marriage is horrible, right,
Speaker 3: you know, But you know, I can also sociologically understand
Speaker 3: why so many people would find that type of rhetoric.
Speaker 1: Very uh, very convincing and entertaining.
Speaker 3: Frankly, who else, I mean me few others who can
Speaker 3: criticize Trump. There's not very many of us out there
Speaker 3: who can say it legitimately. And there's a massive appetite
Speaker 3: for it. Look at THEO, look at Andrew Schultz, look
Speaker 3: at Tim Dillon. You know, all of these guys who
Speaker 3: were Trump curious and are now very critical. There's a
Speaker 3: massive audience for it. And then finally people are blaming Fuintes,
Speaker 3: Tucker and others that is not why kids in Maga,
Speaker 3: hats at Ole miss are showing up to TPUSA events
Speaker 3: asking about Israel.
Speaker 1: It's not you.
Speaker 3: You can convince yourself all day long that that's the case.
Speaker 3: You could literally deplatform fuent Tests and that he would
Speaker 3: never have a platform ever again, those kids would still
Speaker 3: be shown up there.
Speaker 1: You have a reality problem in this entire thing.
Speaker 3: And this is an unsquarable circle right now in the
Speaker 3: current h in current politics. It just does not it's
Speaker 3: not capable, frankly, of being squared with the current Republican
Speaker 3: party elites which are in power.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the cat is out of the bag,
Speaker 2: and in terms of you know, your assertion that these
Speaker 2: young guys would still be showing up and asking questions
Speaker 2: about Israel and whatever. But I also think a lot
Speaker 2: of those guys are Fronte's fans, and they are grovers,
Speaker 2: and he is incredibly he is incredibly influential among young
Speaker 2: Republicans and young Republican men specifically. I think the point
Speaker 2: that making is that effectively Republican elites have lost the
Speaker 2: moral standing to gatekeep in any way. So even when
Speaker 2: it comes to a literal Nazi, which Nick One does,
Speaker 2: is I mean, he is a holocauster and I are
Speaker 2: he does love Hitler like you know, backing Kanye as
Speaker 2: he said, I love all that right.
Speaker 4: He is those things.
Speaker 2: And yet because number one, they have the elites of
Speaker 2: the party have supported and outright JNA side that's happening
Speaker 2: in our timelines. Number two, because they've tried to conflate
Speaker 2: any criticism whatsoever of our foreign policy vis of the
Speaker 2: Israel as anti semitism, they have lost any moral standing
Speaker 2: to gatekeep and say this is the bounce of acceptable
Speaker 2: discourse within the Republican Party. I think that's a problem
Speaker 2: because I actually do think that you should keep Nazis
Speaker 2: out of your coalition. I actually do think that that
Speaker 2: should be a line that you can draw. And obviously,
Speaker 2: like they have completely failed, through their abuse of the
Speaker 2: term anti semitism, to maintain any sort of more legitimacy,
Speaker 2: and not just through the use of the term, but
Speaker 2: also through their own actions. I mean, point to Randy, Fine,
Speaker 2: you can look at what this administration is doing. You
Speaker 2: have lost any ability to tell people this is where
Speaker 2: the line is and this is what is acceptable. And
Speaker 2: I think it's a real problem because you know that Tucker,
Speaker 2: that Tucker Fuente's interview. First of all, Tucker, before he
Speaker 2: interviewed Nick was going very hard on the paint, saying
Speaker 2: he's a gay loser who lives in his mom's basement.
Speaker 2: Then when they're face to face, very patty cakes. You know,
Speaker 2: I just explain to me in your own words, not
Speaker 2: bringing up any specific things that he said for him
Speaker 2: to have to grapple with, and fwent has realizes he's
Speaker 2: got this opening because guess what if your narrative of
Speaker 2: the world is like the Jews are the problem for everything.
Speaker 2: You know, the fact that the State of Israel and
Speaker 2: their defenders have gone done their dands to conflate every
Speaker 2: Jew in the world with their genocidal actions is doing
Speaker 2: half of the propaganda battle for neck fun t.
Speaker 4: They are doing that, so you can.
Speaker 2: Say, I agree, I agree that Israel is equivalent to
Speaker 2: the Jews, and just look at what they're doing, and
Speaker 2: look at how our politicians are acting. So through our
Speaker 2: complicity in this genocide and through our pushing of the
Speaker 2: propaganda that yes, every Jew has to be conflated with
Speaker 2: the whrrors that are being done in their name. That
Speaker 2: also helped to solidify the opening for Nick fintes. And
Speaker 2: here's the other dynamic in politics, like Tucker, will you
Speaker 2: know Tucker, especially.
Speaker 4: When he was on Fox.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much he does it now, but
Speaker 2: especially when he was on Fox, he talked all about
Speaker 2: the Great Replacement theory, saying replacement and replacement, replay, blah blah,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. He does enough to give himself plausible
Speaker 2: deniability because the grander part of that conspiracy is that
Speaker 2: it is Jews leading the Great replacement theory to replace
Speaker 2: what he does.
Speaker 4: No, that's soccer. Let me finish my point.
Speaker 2: He doesn't say that part right, He uses you know it,
Speaker 2: keeps it on the like, oh, it's a political project
Speaker 2: of the elites. Maybe he says, like the global elite,
Speaker 2: but he maintains this plausible deniability.
Speaker 4: Guess what.
Speaker 2: The person who actually comes in and says the frickin thing,
Speaker 2: and that's Nick Fuentez, who says it's the Jews or
Speaker 2: coming in to replace the white people.
Speaker 4: The person who actually says the.
Speaker 2: Thing out loud, they are going to be the ones
Speaker 2: who win that rhetorical debate. This is what Trump's He's
Speaker 2: done in you know, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, with his rise,
Speaker 2: the things that Fox News would dog whistle and hint at,
Speaker 2: he would come out and say, so, that's the dynamic
Speaker 2: that's going on right now with Tucker and Fuentez and Candice.
Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, I think Hananian his assertion
Speaker 2: that like this is the direction of the Republican Party,
Speaker 2: I think he's right because what you think Mark Levin
Speaker 2: is going to be able to pull this back? You
Speaker 2: feel like, who's going to be the person going to say, no,
Speaker 2: this is too far. We don't want to be an
Speaker 2: actual Nazi party.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about why he's actually why I think that
Speaker 3: Hanania is right in a sense. I think what he's
Speaker 3: right in a sense is that the Republican Party establishment
Speaker 3: doesn't have legitimacy for a significant portion of young people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not everyone on a bunch of leftists, many of us
Speaker 3: have like very I mean, you know, even the framing
Speaker 3: frankly about immigration that he just gave, like there is
Speaker 3: a legitimate case to be made about immigration, apportionment and
Speaker 3: the census. That's not a grand Jewish conspiracy. It's reality
Speaker 3: in terms of the way that the demographic change of
Speaker 3: our population happened under the Biden administration. We've had endless
Speaker 3: arguments about that. But there's a non racial case, which
Speaker 3: I believe most people who voted for Trump on immigration
Speaker 3: actually do believe whenever they wanted control of our border
Speaker 3: and particularly to want to know that and think that.
Speaker 1: That's an insane system.
Speaker 3: Now, however, what has happened is that under the Trump
Speaker 3: administration with their flagrant, basically conflation of Jewish identity with
Speaker 3: the state of Israel, which, by the way, Trump says
Speaker 3: himself all the time, Oh, these Jews don't even support me,
Speaker 3: even though I'm so pro what maybe, but israel supporters
Speaker 3: do it themselves. John put Herrits, who is from Nepo
Speaker 3: baby commentary writer, literally tweeted that Trump can say shylock
Speaker 3: all he wants because he bombed he round. So Trump
Speaker 3: can say the word shylock, which according to him is
Speaker 3: a anti Jewish slur, because he did a foreign policy
Speaker 3: action which is beneficial to the States. So you're the
Speaker 3: ones who created this reality. So to the extent then
Speaker 3: that the whole Republican Party is going in this direction again,
Speaker 3: why is that? Because young people, particularly a lot of
Speaker 3: young men, are deeply angry at the state of the country.
Speaker 1: They feel as if they cannot advance.
Speaker 3: The reason that they cannot advance is because of a
Speaker 3: bipartisan establishment elite. They also do not feel that they
Speaker 3: will ever be able to make enough money to support
Speaker 3: themselves and get married, even though they want to. A
Speaker 3: lot of these guys desperately want to get married, many
Speaker 3: of them, by the way, let's even look at the
Speaker 3: entire phenomenon of spending all your time online getting into
Speaker 3: racial politics. That is loser behavior, and it is downstream
Speaker 3: of gaming, pornography, marijuana, spending all your time by yourself.
Speaker 3: Why do you think I rage against all this stuff
Speaker 3: because it create these maladjusted, so anti social freaks who,
Speaker 3: by the way, in all of society, when you have
Speaker 3: underemployed angry young men, what direction does politics go. This
Speaker 3: is not to excuse it. This is simply to show
Speaker 3: you where things are headed. This is why I rail
Speaker 3: against degenerate libertine society because I understand the consequences of it,
Speaker 3: and we've seen it dramatically throughout history. And then finally,
Speaker 3: to like the conservative point about why did Kevin Roberts,
Speaker 3: Why is TPUSA having these issues?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 3: Because it's a doubt, it's a bottom up phenomenon. I
Speaker 3: can't tell you from my criticism of the state of Israel,
Speaker 3: and more I get more private support than probably on
Speaker 3: any other issue. I agree with you, I agree with
Speaker 3: but they can't say it because their jobs depend on it.
Speaker 3: That's not an anti Jewish conspiracy. That's reality. Is that
Speaker 3: even if you are an econ staffer at a conservative
Speaker 3: think tank, if you have.
Speaker 1: A dissonanced view of Israel, you're dead.
Speaker 3: Okay, You're not getting a job, You're not getting to get
Speaker 3: job at the Trump administration. You're never going to work
Speaker 3: again in this town. That's the reality they created. That's
Speaker 3: not an anti Semitic point. That's just simply, again a
Speaker 3: statement of fact, and that is slowly bubbling up. And
Speaker 3: then let's take Tucker on top of all of this. Tucker,
Speaker 3: who is the most in my opinion, influential. I mean, look, actually,
Speaker 3: just go look at the download charts, number one conservative
Speaker 3: podcast in the entire country, far out paces everyone else.
Speaker 3: In the conversation with Fuentez, I personally would have liked
Speaker 3: to see him more critical, I'll say it. And Tucker
Speaker 3: is a great friend and I support him. I liked
Speaker 3: being on a show, and I hope to be back
Speaker 3: on again. I wish he had been a little bit
Speaker 3: more critical of him in terms of because I know
Speaker 3: he can do it. Look at the Ted Cruz stuff, right,
Speaker 3: He's a master in if he wants to do. The
Speaker 3: thing that comes down to it is that the friend
Speaker 3: enemy distinction is becoming much more difficult because you have
Speaker 3: to also consider the way that they have tried to
Speaker 3: destroy his own life.
Speaker 1: They literally with Tucker.
Speaker 3: I mean there's recently this Daily Mail piece where they
Speaker 3: said Tucker Carlson quote needs to be neutralized. Okay, that's
Speaker 3: the type of rhetoric that is now coming from the
Speaker 3: more Zionist right wing. They're calling him hitler, youth. They're saying,
Speaker 3: like the most dangerous anti Semite in the country, genuinely,
Speaker 3: like an all out campaign to destroy his business, to
Speaker 3: destroy his personal life, to destroy anybody who's associated with him.
Speaker 3: That mentally, I'm saying because I suffer from this too.
Speaker 3: For me, man, it is like whenever they want me
Speaker 3: to cancel somebody else, especially for the whole Israel thing,
Speaker 3: I have a lot of difficulty with it, I really do,
Speaker 3: because of the level of vitriol.
Speaker 1: You know that I have gotten.
Speaker 3: I can't even criticize the Barry Weiss deal without being
Speaker 3: bombarded with you're a Jew hater, right as if I
Speaker 3: care that Barry Weiss is Jewish, that it has anything
Speaker 3: to do with No, it's only about Israel. I don't
Speaker 3: care about any of that. And so I'm saying from
Speaker 3: my own personal experience, the level of personal vitriol that
Speaker 3: you get as somebody who is in any way, you know,
Speaker 3: more on the right wing end of the spectrum critical
Speaker 3: of Israel, I think it might be ten times worse
Speaker 3: than from the democratic side. Like the level of money,
Speaker 3: the amount of you know, personal just nastiness that comes
Speaker 3: away times me by one hundred. And that's where Tucker
Speaker 3: Carlson is currently sittings. That's you know, this is why
Speaker 3: it is just like these people deserve everything that's coming
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 1: They created this reality.
Speaker 3: And then there's also politics on top of this, which
Speaker 3: is somebody who tries to run on the mantle of
Speaker 3: Trump again in twenty twenty eight and who especially wants
Speaker 3: to win back these young people. I think this is
Speaker 3: a non starter. I really do, because the Israel question,
Speaker 3: if you cannot answer independently and honestly, you can still
Speaker 3: be pro Israel, but you have to be able to
Speaker 3: admit certain things like that kid said ethnic cleansing. If
Speaker 3: you can't say those types of words and you just
Speaker 3: you know, little Washington platitudes, that is a message that
Speaker 3: you are either controlled part of the system, and we
Speaker 3: can't have that anymore when we're young, not when my
Speaker 3: health INTERNS is going up by twenty percent. And I'm
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent sure that if you get elected and
Speaker 3: you talk that way, that that you're going to be
Speaker 3: shipping bombs there and there's not a dollar come in
Speaker 3: my way or anybody else. Yeah, that's why it's not
Speaker 3: just about Israel. It's about control. The Democrats are figuring
Speaker 3: this out now, and I think the Republicans, you know,
Speaker 3: they're in for a rude awakening. And if you don't
Speaker 3: give an inch, then yes, fwendees will be more popular
Speaker 3: than ever.
Speaker 1: It's not an inevitability. That's the irony of it.
Speaker 3: I just said October seventh, you're working for Kanye, You're
Speaker 3: doing nothing, all right, and it but the reality of
Speaker 3: Israel criticism being slowly pushed out. How else do you
Speaker 3: think myrone games and Nick Fuendez and Dan Bilzari, I
Speaker 3: mean Bill's Aarian.
Speaker 1: Nobody even heard of the guy for five six years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before that, he was selling vakes with girls in bikinis.
Speaker 3: Now he's you know, literally doing nothing but playing poker.
Speaker 3: I guess whatever it is he does. Know, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, Israel right comes out of nowhere. This was
Speaker 3: the back that the niche that they were able to
Speaker 3: fill because of the reality.
Speaker 1: That they created.
Speaker 3: And then for many people who are not racist, anti
Speaker 3: Semitic or anything. For many of us, I mean the
Speaker 3: personal vitriol smear campaign and as you and I know
Speaker 3: privately public or private campaign as well. In terms of
Speaker 3: what is being used against us, it's one of those where,
Speaker 3: you know, I talked about this in my interview with Tucker.
Speaker 3: You have to fight every day not to become the
Speaker 3: thing that they.
Speaker 1: Want you to be.
Speaker 3: They want you to hate Jews, they want you to
Speaker 3: fulfill their conspiracy. They want me to give a diet
Speaker 3: tribe about global jewelry or anything, and I'm not going
Speaker 3: to do it. You know, it's I don't believe it.
Speaker 3: I think it's ridiculous, But they want us to become
Speaker 3: the mirror image of what they are.
Speaker 2: Well because it because it proves their point point and
Speaker 2: this point Ryan's made, which I think is true and
Speaker 2: also is something that has been true since the foundation
Speaker 2: of the State of Israel. The State of Israel and
Speaker 2: the government benefits from a rise in genuine anti Semitism
Speaker 2: because then they their propaganda. We have to have a
Speaker 2: safe space for Jews, like that has more credibility. If
Speaker 2: you see, you know, Myron Gains when the like Nazi
Speaker 2: posting or I guess internal group chat of the quote
Speaker 2: unquote young Republicans came out, he was like, we're done
Speaker 2: with this. Yeah, we like Hitler. Now we're going to
Speaker 2: say it like that's what we're talking about. I mean,
Speaker 2: just so you guys know, we're not just casually throwing
Speaker 2: around the tanagerm anti Semitism. These are people who genuinely
Speaker 2: are like Hitler was based. We like Hitler, we support him.
Speaker 2: Talk about the global Jewilic you know, really like go
Speaker 2: full out with the great Replacement theory is led by Jews,
Speaker 2: I mean, all in the most anti Semitic shit you
Speaker 2: could possibly imagine. That's what we're talking about here. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean on the democratic side, you've had
Speaker 2: effectively the Israelis have kind of like given up on Democrats.
Speaker 2: You know, the base of the Democratic Party is ninety
Speaker 2: percent against Israel at this point, eighty percent say as
Speaker 2: a genocide. Like, there's a huge disconnect between the leadership,
Speaker 2: the elite electeds of the Democratic Party and the base
Speaker 2: that is being sorted out right now as we speak,
Speaker 2: and the writing is.
Speaker 4: On the wall.
Speaker 2: The part of the reason why in the Republican side
Speaker 2: it's so incredibly fierce and contested right now is number one,
Speaker 2: because Trump's in power, He's the one who's actually like
Speaker 2: doing the stuff. But number two, because you do still
Speaker 2: have a majority of Republicans who are very Israel supportive.
Speaker 2: You know, if you are over the age of let's
Speaker 2: say forty, in the Republican Party, you still have that
Speaker 2: very like there are ally sort of cold war mentality,
Speaker 2: We're with them, no matter what you buy the propaganda.
Speaker 2: You probably haven't really thought about it all that much, right,
Speaker 2: It just yes, we support Israel, period, end of story.
Speaker 2: And certainly the you know, the elites in the Republican
Speaker 2: Party are almost all lockstep on board with Israel no
Speaker 2: matter what. And like when the Democratic Party, a lot
Speaker 2: of the donors are very committed to Israel and that's
Speaker 2: their view as well. So that's why this is I
Speaker 2: think so like hot and fiercely contested within the Republican
Speaker 2: Party right now, is because you do have even among
Speaker 2: the base, you have a genuine divide. We're still the
Speaker 2: majority is very pro Israel. It's very generational, but the
Speaker 2: majority is still very pro Israel. So that reckoning is
Speaker 2: going to take a long time to come, and.
Speaker 1: It is all generational.
Speaker 3: And I mean, let's also just consider like some like
Speaker 3: they literally support Israel, many of these people for religious reasons,
Speaker 3: and then they get mad when Tucker was like, I
Speaker 3: think it's heresy, you know, to purport your dispensationalist view
Speaker 3: of the Bible to say that the political state of
Speaker 3: Israel is described there and that's why we must support them,
Speaker 3: as he showed with Ted Kruz. Why is that an
Speaker 3: anti Semitic one? Why is that even an anti Christian
Speaker 3: talking point? You're not allowed talker is not allowed to
Speaker 3: debate Christian questions of theology.
Speaker 1: That's the reality. I mean, this is what they're creating.
Speaker 3: They're doing all of the you know, the cancel culture,
Speaker 3: deplatforming discourse from Mark Levin and others. They are no
Speaker 3: different you know, than any of the woke left was
Speaker 3: on the issue of race at the height of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: And that's also I think that's another thing that really
Speaker 3: gets a lot of us is if you don't religiously
Speaker 3: care about Israel, you can't help. But look at the
Speaker 3: same tactics by so many of the pro Israel supporters
Speaker 3: to the same woke leftists on the issue of race,
Speaker 3: who we desponse And.
Speaker 2: Here we're not talking about trying to cancel Nick Funds.
Speaker 2: We're talking about trying to cancel like you know, Dave Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know people who just have like a legitimate critique
Speaker 2: of Israel or you know, yourself or myself or whatever,
Speaker 2: where it's like you can't even say these things because
Speaker 2: I think there's a case for canceling Nickfunt. I think
Speaker 2: there's a case for like it actually did work bad
Speaker 2: when he was deplatformed, you had a lot less powered down,
Speaker 2: the moment is different, et cetera. But you know, I
Speaker 2: do think that there are lines that should be appropriate
Speaker 2: to draw in society, and maybe being an overt Nazi
Speaker 2: is one that we.
Speaker 4: Could talk about.
Speaker 2: It's difficult, but with what your point is is that
Speaker 2: they drew the line at you literally cannot you cannot
Speaker 2: protest Israel, you can't write an upbed about Israel, you
Speaker 2: can't talk about it at all. If you do your comas,
Speaker 2: you know, everybody's amas, everything that is negative about Israel
Speaker 2: is hamas, et cetera. And if you're going to try
Speaker 2: to draw the line there, then yeah, people are going
Speaker 2: to say and again this is not defending because again
Speaker 2: we're talking earlier about personal responsibility, like these people are
Speaker 2: responsible for their stupid, hateful Nazi views. But if you're
Speaker 2: going to try to draw the line there, yeah, people
Speaker 2: are going to say your antisemitic smear doesn't work. And
Speaker 2: by the way, you're like actually low key convincing me
Speaker 2: of the most extreme position, the actual hateful position on
Speaker 2: this issue.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and look, the cancelation thing, like we talked about
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, I mean, everybody does believe in a little
Speaker 3: bit of cancel culture. And if we're all being honest,
Speaker 3: the question I also think comes back to political effectiveness.
Speaker 3: And I can't just help but point to the pre
Speaker 3: October seventh consensus of where things were. That is, the
Speaker 3: reality is different, and that's again I just want to
Speaker 3: bring it back Todave who recently had a debate with
Speaker 3: somebody and they were like, oh, Nick Flint has said that,
Speaker 3: and he was just like, again, what is more damaging
Speaker 3: to society, to norms is edgy trolling and in some
Speaker 3: cases genuine racism and overt pro Nazism or cheering on
Speaker 3: and politically supporting the slaughter of tens of thousands, if
Speaker 3: not hundreds of thousands of people, and using our money
Speaker 3: and perverting our political system. On that question, it's pretty
Speaker 3: obvious to me which one that is.
Speaker 1: This is not a defense again, these people hate my guts.
Speaker 3: They think I'm some you know, they'll call me a jeet,
Speaker 3: they'll call me you know whatever, my child, they'll say
Speaker 3: is a mongrel.
Speaker 1: Okay, So fuck them all?
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: I have no you know, political ground or any of
Speaker 3: that to be made whenever it comes. But you know
Speaker 3: the question, bingo right, and and unlike them, you know what,
Speaker 3: I think, we still have to live together. We all
Speaker 3: need to live together in this country. And you know,
Speaker 3: to borrow an AOC type leftist talking point in many respects,
Speaker 3: if you hold.
Speaker 1: Those views, I feel bad for you. I pity you.
Speaker 3: I genuinely think most of the time you are that
Speaker 3: way because you've got dealt a very shitthand in life.
Speaker 3: And yes, you have absolute and personal agency for the
Speaker 3: horrific things that you believe. And yes, on a personal level,
Speaker 3: if you ever said that to my face.
Speaker 1: I would probably beat the shit out of you if
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 3: But at a major sociological view, I can and do
Speaker 3: understand how people with views like that, first of all,
Speaker 3: should be overtly condemned on a personal level, and we
Speaker 3: should do everything we possibly can to prevent it. And
Speaker 3: I can understand how with our libertine, disgusting, degenerate society
Speaker 3: of gambling and all the other things, that we will
Speaker 3: create ten times more of people who hope those types
Speaker 3: of use, which is why I go to war with it.
Speaker 2: Well, my analysis leads to a different layer, which is
Speaker 2: that you have to deal with the material country, Like
Speaker 2: people have to feel like they have a stake in society,
Speaker 2: like they're going to be able to succeed, like there's
Speaker 2: a path, well just not just success, but some sort
Speaker 2: of meaning, some sort of purpose, right, Because if you
Speaker 2: don't have that, then it's going to you know, then yeah,
Speaker 2: you're going to spend your life, you know, traveling whatever
Speaker 2: using whatever opiate your society has available to you at
Speaker 2: this moment. And the one thing our socil society is
Speaker 2: fantastic at generating right at this moment, is high octane
Speaker 2: opiates to all of us, you know, to get addicted
Speaker 2: to and colonize our minds and distract us and preoccupy
Speaker 2: us so we can get our minds off the fact.
Speaker 2: For you know, a lot of individuals that life looks
Speaker 2: very bleak. If you don't deal with that, then you
Speaker 2: are going to have ugly, hateful politics. And that's what
Speaker 2: we're seeing right now. And so especially you know, if
Speaker 2: you have young people who come from middle class upbringings
Speaker 2: who you know, were sold the you go to college
Speaker 2: and do the thing and take on all the debt
Speaker 2: and you're going to be able to get a good
Speaker 2: job and then oh, whoops, we've created some AI and
Speaker 2: there are no jobs anymore, Like how do you think
Speaker 2: this is going to go? So, you know, you have to,
Speaker 2: on the one hand, like abhor certainly the influencers, the
Speaker 2: nickfue tees is of the world who actually have power.
Speaker 4: You have to abhor that.
Speaker 2: And I do think that, you know, I am more
Speaker 2: open into some like level of gatekeeping when it comes
Speaker 2: to in cancelation what.
Speaker 4: Comes to overt Nazis.
Speaker 2: But I also understand you're not going to cancel your
Speaker 2: way out of this problems.
Speaker 4: That's going to cancel your way.
Speaker 3: When people say cancelation, I'm like, listen, you know what
Speaker 3: you literally hear have an Indian guy trying to make
Speaker 3: the case here for why that's not going to solve
Speaker 3: your issue?
Speaker 1: Why are we here?
Speaker 3: Like, you can't ignore that we have to live in
Speaker 3: this heterogeneous multicultural society which was created. We have a
Speaker 3: lot of different views about how to get there, but
Speaker 3: we have to live together. You can't actually cancel your
Speaker 3: way out of it. It's impossible. If we could have,
Speaker 3: it would have worked. Seriously, it absolutely would have.
Speaker 2: I will I will maintain though that when fundt has
Speaker 2: was canceled, he had a lot less power. And he's
Speaker 2: and I do think you look, he's he's like funny,
Speaker 2: he's talented. You know, he has a hold on he
Speaker 2: has power. I mean that's part of why you see
Speaker 2: so many right now on the right, like you know,
Speaker 2: having him on and having a little patty case and
Speaker 2: they're afraid because he has a he not only has
Speaker 2: a significant audience. But he has a lot of clout
Speaker 2: and sway with that audience. And so if you're in
Speaker 2: the camp that has been Israel critical, you likely share
Speaker 2: a lot of fans with Nick Flintes, and you're a
Speaker 2: little nervous. I mean, these with the incentives and people
Speaker 2: can talk themselves into a lot of things things, but
Speaker 2: your incentive is, let me be a little kid gloves here.
Speaker 2: Let me not piss off my own fan base. Let me,
Speaker 2: you know, let me not look like I'm some like
Speaker 2: loser wokes goold cook, cringe, whatever. And so you know
Speaker 2: that's that's part of what's going on here too. And
Speaker 2: Fuentes realizes he has this moment and he's trying to moderate,
Speaker 2: you know, with Tucker. He's, Oh, no, I don't hate anybody,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. It's like, which is why you have
Speaker 2: to go back? Okay, well why did.
Speaker 4: You say this about you? Why did you say this
Speaker 4: about black people? Why did you say they should other
Speaker 4: all criminals? They should all be locked up?
Speaker 2: Right, So he's trying to mainstream himself right now, and
Speaker 2: it is it's working.
Speaker 1: It's working to the extent of the influencer point. You're
Speaker 1: definitely correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I actually really think a lot of this
Speaker 3: is friend enemy. I think that's what it mostly is at.
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, this is something you all
Speaker 3: have to be careful of. Is you all fall You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of people fall for the enemy of my
Speaker 3: enemy is my friend. That's just not always the case, Okay,
Speaker 3: Like sometimes you have to have a lot of personal
Speaker 3: agency to make sure you don't go down that hole.
Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, on a personal level, I
Speaker 3: really detest a lot of these people, and they've said
Speaker 3: some horrible, horrible things about me, but I can see
Speaker 3: it literally like me personally, but also you know, anybody
Speaker 3: who is Indian American. But the point I always come
Speaker 3: back to is I'm like, Okay, this is really bad,
Speaker 3: and we need to make sure that this doesn't become
Speaker 3: like a bigger thing. Now, how do we make sure
Speaker 3: that that's become a bigger thing. Well, we take a
Speaker 3: look at why anybody would potentially even be influenced by
Speaker 3: this in the first place, because you can't cancel your
Speaker 3: way out of this, especially now you know it's out
Speaker 3: me open right the gate keeping shit.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 3: We literally live in the age of the printing press
Speaker 3: where anybody with a voice in a megaphone can get
Speaker 3: a voice at any time. Yes, perhaps there's some downsides
Speaker 3: to that, but there's a lot of benefits to it
Speaker 3: as well, and to the whole original point around free speech,
Speaker 3: and you're talking about material conditions. I don't think that
Speaker 3: it's all that ultimately difficult to make sure that things
Speaker 3: don't go down this dark direction. You just have to
Speaker 3: have democratic legitimacy with the people. That is why there
Speaker 3: is so much despondency when we think back to the
Speaker 3: early days of fascism in the nineteen thirties and with Mussolini.
Speaker 3: You have to understand that the Weimar Republic was doing
Speaker 3: okay prior to the Great Depression, and it was a
Speaker 3: multi factorial decision ultimately to pursue the path of Nazism
Speaker 3: and of fascism in Italy. Most of it came back
Speaker 3: to the failure of the Treaty of Versailles. So a
Speaker 3: lack of faith in the political elite, the stab in
Speaker 3: the back theory that games legitimacy, a lack of faith
Speaker 3: in the economic institutions, and a fundamental belief that this
Speaker 3: previous way of doing business was not a way to
Speaker 3: solve our problems and make it so that we can
Speaker 3: have any sort of legitimate say in our affairs, which
Speaker 3: is why people went down that road. You can go
Speaker 3: and read Richard Evans The Rise of the Richard Evans
Speaker 3: series on the third right. It's one of the best
Speaker 3: series of books I've ever read, and when you read it,
Speaker 3: you will not justify it, but you will understand. And
Speaker 3: I think that that's what more people need to understand.
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't, by the way, I don't think
Speaker 3: we're anywhere close to that, But I'm only I'm only
Speaker 3: saying though that to demographically try to understand and save
Speaker 3: your own country, you have to make sure that you
Speaker 3: don't create the same way that they tried to at
Speaker 3: that time of oh, well, you know, they tried to
Speaker 3: solve it through violence or as you said, cancellation right.
Speaker 1: Outlawing literal political part.
Speaker 3: They believed that that was a way that you could
Speaker 3: pursue your own ends. It wasn't true, ultimately, so you
Speaker 3: have to learn from a lot of those things.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Finally we have a successful example here.
Speaker 3: I was going to say the Freedom I have that
Speaker 3: Freedom from Fear book right behind me. And the reason
Speaker 3: I do is because that book is about how FDR
Speaker 3: saved America from a communist or a fascism, a fascist revolution.
Speaker 1: We were going down that road.
Speaker 3: I really believe that in the thirties we had an
Speaker 3: actual choice. Or if FDR had died in nineteen thirty four,
Speaker 3: like in some sort of alternate history, things would have
Speaker 3: gone in.
Speaker 1: A very bad direction.
Speaker 3: But that's a real example by the way of how
Speaker 3: you know, you can solve a lot of it. And
Speaker 3: there were serious similar problems at that time. Why you
Speaker 3: think anti semitism problem, Now go back to the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 3: you think racism is a problem. Now listen, man, like
Speaker 3: you have no idea what you're talking about from the
Speaker 3: rise of the KKK and all that at that time.
Speaker 3: Not to go take a look at any Confederate statue
Speaker 3: on any battlefield. It'll all say built in nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 3: All right, it's not an accident for why all of
Speaker 3: that came to be. So, yes, study your own history
Speaker 3: and examples and see how you don't have to go
Speaker 3: down that direction.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do I have faith that any of our political leaders
Speaker 1: will go down then or take us out of this.
Speaker 4: No, I actually don't these are the are if anything,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is like a live narration of our own downfall.
Speaker 3: But there you go, all right, dark dark sometimes Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll see you later.
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