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Speaker 3: dot com. Let's turn out to the FBI. There has

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Speaker 3: been more bigclownish behavior there from the FBI director Cash Pattel.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with a fishy story right now. Everybody should

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Speaker 3: keep their eyebrows up. Let's put this up here on

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Speaker 3: the screen. The FBI director Cash Pattel announced the disruption

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Speaker 3: of a major terror plot on Hallo's Eve, and he

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Speaker 3: said that the FBI, through the heroic action, had stopped

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Speaker 3: this upcoming case of a plotted attack on Halloween. However,

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Speaker 3: the defense lawyer for the suspect is now disputing the

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Speaker 3: allegations that his twenty year old client and four other

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Speaker 3: young suspects were planning to carry this out at all.

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Speaker 3: So announcing the arrest, Patel said more information would be

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Speaker 3: coming soon. However, FBI in Michigan authorities have now offered

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Speaker 3: quote few details about the case. Spokespersons for the state, National, FBI,

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Speaker 3: and the US attorney are not responding to any messages.

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Speaker 3: The investigation involved discussion in an online chat room involving

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Speaker 3: at least some of the suspects taken into custody. They

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Speaker 3: spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity. The group

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Speaker 3: allegedly discussed carrying out an attack around Halloween, referring to

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Speaker 3: Pumpkin Day, and the other person briefed on the investigation

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Speaker 3: confirmed there had been a quote Pumpkin reference. However, the

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Speaker 3: lawyer who represents one of the men from Dearborn, who

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Speaker 3: has detained Saturday, said federal authorities have given him not

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Speaker 3: many details about the investigation. He concluded that no terror

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Speaker 3: event was planned. He said he doesn't even expect any

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Speaker 3: charges to be filed. Quote, I don't know where this

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Speaker 3: hysteria and this fear mongering came from. He described an

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Speaker 3: all male group of US citizen gamers, who they said

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Speaker 3: range in age from sixteen to twenty, young men on

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Speaker 3: forums that they should not have been on or things

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Speaker 3: in nature. Then we'll have to wait and see. But

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Speaker 3: I don't believe there's anything about illegal about the activity

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Speaker 3: that they were doing. All of this actually just comes

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Speaker 3: down to the professionalism of the FBI. Obviously, look, any

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Speaker 3: defense lawyers is going to say his client's innocent, so

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Speaker 3: who knows what's rate and see whether the charges were filed.

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Speaker 3: But the point remains that the FBI announced that the

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Speaker 3: terror plot had allegedly been disrupted without offering many details.

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Speaker 3: There was no criminal case, and lawyers immediately were saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: by coming out and making these claims, if they don't

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Speaker 3: hold up, this can then be used by the defense

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Speaker 3: in court to combat them. And so it's like, well,

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Speaker 3: hold on, were you just trying to get a headline

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Speaker 3: where you just trying to maybe, you know, curry some

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Speaker 1: Let's say what the president.

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Speaker 3: That's where it's not that you should believe the defense lawyer,

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Speaker 3: it's that he should look at the fact that no

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Speaker 3: charge is filed, there's no indictment, yet there's no, nothing

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Speaker 3: chat room gamers, which, look, I'll save my gaming commentary,

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Speaker 3: but you know, the point remains, there is such a

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Speaker 3: thing as you know, trial in this country, and their

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Speaker 3: clownish behavior from the Tyler Robinson case to now this

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump well, and also the FBI has never been

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Speaker 2: above just like inventing some shit and like yeah, this

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Speaker 2: you said, the biggest red flag is no charges filed. Okay,

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Speaker 2: if you got them deadero they're plotting a attack on Halloween,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you think you would have some charges ready to go.

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Speaker 4: Okay? That's number one.

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Speaker 2: Number Two, government being extremely cagy about any of the details,

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Speaker 4: This is absolute and total bullshit.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing illegal going on here, we will be vindicated,

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Speaker 4: So you've got all of that.

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Speaker 2: And Max Blumenthal also flagged in the CNN reporting they

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Speaker 1: From early on. That's a given, which is yeah, that.

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Speaker 2: So there's a political angle here too, of you know,

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Speaker 2: they're very set on painting all, you know, and making

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Speaker 2: there's a whole effort going on among a number of

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Speaker 2: individuals to like denaturalize anyone who who is Muslim and

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Speaker 2: Gueger being threatened by Katie Miller on Pierce Morgan. But

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Speaker 2: in any case, you know, there's a political incentive again

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Speaker 2: to create a hysteria around potential terror plots. And and

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Speaker 2: so I would be deeply suspicious of the details of

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Speaker 3: Plot, oh, one hundred percent. And who is this man

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Speaker 1: Looking at, mister Patel? Who is this gentleman? Does he spend?

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Speaker 3: Tell me is private time? Let's go ahead and put

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Speaker 3: this third element up here, shall we? So what do

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Speaker 3: we have here? The FBI has now fired a top

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Speaker 3: official amid cash Betel's outrage over reports of agency jet use.

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Speaker 1: So let me just I'll read some of the details.

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Speaker 3: A top FBI official with twenty seven years standing has

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Speaker 3: now been fired by the bureau from its director after

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Speaker 3: he became enraged by press stories revealing he had used

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Speaker 3: a government jet to travel to see his girlfriend sing

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Speaker 3: the national anthem at a wrestling match. Stephen Palmer, who

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Speaker 3: had worked at the Bureau since ninety eight, was hired

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Speaker 3: as the head of FBI's Critical Incident Response Group, which

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Speaker 3: is responsible for handling Majors six ccurity threads, as well

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Speaker 3: as overseeing the agency's fleet of jets. The third head

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Speaker 3: Trump administration Bloomberg Law, which broke the story, said three

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Speaker 3: Patel's flight schedules were fully public and trackable on websites

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Speaker 3: like flight Aware. A day after her performance, Patel himself

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Speaker 3: reposted photos showing him together with his girlfriend country singer

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Speaker 3: Patel became furious after stories were published about the event

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Speaker 3: and his use of the FBI jet to go on

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Speaker 3: a date with Wilkins. So Patel fires the individual in

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Speaker 3: also puts out this statement from his personal account. Let's

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Speaker 3: just go ahead and read some of this. Shall we

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Speaker 3: proud of the work of this FBI. We're taking violent

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Let me be clear, we will not.

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Speaker 3: Be distracted by basis rumors or the noise from uninformed

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Speaker 3: internet anarchists and the fake news. I've always said, criticized

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Speaker 3: me all you want, but going after the people doing

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Speaker 3: great work, my personal life or those around me is

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Speaker 3: a total disgrace. The disgustingly baseless attacks against Alexis a

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Speaker 3: true patriot and the woman I am proud to call

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Speaker 3: my partner in life are beyond pathetic. She is a

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Speaker 3: rock solid conservative and a country music sensation who has

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Speaker 3: done more for the nation than most will in ten lifetimes. Now, again,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not familiar with miss Wilkins or her

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Speaker 3: country music. I will note she is twenty six years

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Speaker 3: guess that's the way he's talking about his toy six

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's nice to see him ride for his woman.

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Speaker 3: Certainly, if she's your partner in life, she'd probably put

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Speaker 3: a ring on it there, mister Patel. But you know,

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Speaker 3: there is just something a little grotesque about defending your

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Speaker 3: of dollars flying it at the government expense presumably, or

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Speaker 3: maybe if you are reimbursing, you should at least say

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Speaker 3: that we don't know the full details.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's where we're at. His cash Betel

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Speaker 1: is now posting about how his girlfriend has done. His

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Speaker 1: for this nation than most will in ten lifetimes. Again,

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Speaker 1: not an attack on miss Wilkins, but I wouldn't say

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Speaker 2: Well at least has he been consistent on the issue

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Speaker 3: What did he say in twenty twenty three about Christopher

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not saying take all their funding. I'm not

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Speaker 5: the defund everything guy. I'm just saying Chris Ray doesn't

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Speaker 5: Maybe we ground that plane fifteen thousand every time it

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Speaker 3: I agree, sing, I absolutely agree. If you want to

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Speaker 3: like that. Okay, hop commercial, brother, there's six flights today

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Speaker 1: It's pretty cheap. You can go sit back there and

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Speaker 3: Nice to fly private all over the world or all

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Speaker 3: definitely it's a luxury. Indeed, that should of course be

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Speaker 1: Well, and.

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Speaker 2: This is at a time when the government of shut down. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when you have many, you know, one hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: being cut off, and you are flying around at taxpayer

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Speaker 2: This man also, I mean, he's just like in confidence personified,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, this handling of everything is a joke.

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Speaker 2: Everything he claimed that he stood for before he came

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Speaker 4: Is out there.

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Speaker 2: You know, was writing books about how he would run

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Speaker 2: the FBI, and of course was a leading leading proponent

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Speaker 2: of released the Epstein files blah blah blah.

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Speaker 4: And we've seen how that has gone.

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Speaker 2: The handling of the Tyler Robinson, your Charlie Kirk, Charlie

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Speaker 2: a sense, he's become a kind of a unifying figure

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Speaker 3: Here is always telling you The Valhalla thing is is

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Speaker 2: This require there is an independent investigation, not affiliated with

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Speaker 4: Societally completely insane stories.

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Speaker 1: It's literally like a mob that's running the show over there.

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Speaker 1: Literally, there's more controversy in Israel than there is here.

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Speaker 2: do with this country. Here's you know, in an instance

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Speaker 2: with D five up on the screen. Here, this is

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Speaker 2: Ben Kvere and you can see him, you know, pointing

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Speaker 2: at these hostages, Palistinni hostages who are They're handcuffed zip tide,

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Speaker 2: you know, on the floor, face down. And what he

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Speaker 2: says here is do you see them? This is how

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Speaker 2: they are now. But one thing remains to be done,

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Speaker 2: and that is to execute them. Okay, those are our

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Speaker 2: great allies, the great Western style democracy in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: So you know, don't don't kid yourself about what this

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Speaker 2: government is, and don't kid yourself about what the society

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Speaker 2: supports at this point, because this is this is the

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Speaker 2: reality that we're dealing with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know no words for it, seriously,

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Speaker 3: absolutely none whatever. Speaking of Israel, it is now destroying

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party much in the same way that it

454
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Speaker 3: absolutely destroyed the Democratic Party, and it's exposing a schism

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Speaker 3: between the party elite, the.

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Speaker 1: People in power, the old guard, and the.

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Speaker 3: Younger generation, which is increased going into dramatically different directions.

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Speaker 3: And there is a full blown campaign right now amongst

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Speaker 3: Republican Party elites to cancel Tucker Carlson and really also

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Speaker 3: to just silence any critics of Israel. Let's get specifically

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Speaker 3: to the recent Republican Jewish Coalition meeting here in Washington,

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Speaker 3: where multiple speakers took the podium to denounce Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 3: to justify support for Israel.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen first to Randy Fine today.

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Speaker 7: Tucker Carlson is the most dangerous anti Semite in America.

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Speaker 7: Multiple speakers have talked about the rise of anti Semitism

467
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Speaker 7: on the right, but it is not enough to speak

468
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Speaker 7: in platitudes or generalities about the fight. We must call

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Speaker 7: evil by its name. It's chosen to take on the

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Speaker 7: mantle of leader of a modern day Hitler youth, to

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Speaker 7: broadcast and feature those who celebrate the Nazis, those who

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Speaker 7: call for the extermination of Israel, to defend Tamas, to

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Speaker 7: even criticized President Trump for stopping Iron's nuclear ambitions.

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Speaker 1: Yes, how dare you criticize President Trump? Start anyway?

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Speaker 4: They had? They had Tucker is not maggots signs like

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Speaker 4: sprint it up.

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Speaker 1: Right, not an op whatsoever?

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Speaker 3: Right, clearly not designed to Kinko's in a room of

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty people. There By the way, did

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Speaker 3: not just wasn't just the self described Hebrew hammer of

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Speaker 3: of Republican Randy Fine. We also had Mark Levin, a

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Speaker 3: very vocal supporter of Israel, openly supporting cancelation, deplatforming.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: Hitler admirers, Stalin admirers, Jew haters, American haters, Churchill haters.

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Speaker 8: You're damn right. We're going to cancel them and deep

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Speaker 8: platform them. It's called the market system. They don't have

487
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Speaker 8: a lifetime job like a bureaucrat who we're going to protect.

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Speaker 8: And if they're your friend, there's something wrong with you.

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Speaker 8: No Hitler admirer, Holocaust denier, platformer should be in anybody's friend.

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Speaker 8: As a matter of fact, you don't get to wrap

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Speaker 8: your psychotic, mental, unhinged Nazi clan jihadis bullshit around American patriotism.

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Speaker 8: You don't get to claim your MAGA and America first.

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Speaker 8: When you're lining up with a Marxist and the Islamis

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Speaker 8: and Hamas and the terrorists, that's not America first, that's sick.

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Speaker 3: We're going to cancel, We're going to deplatform them. And

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Speaker 3: then finally, my personal favorite pitch from Lindsey Graham about

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Speaker 3: what MAGA really is all about.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen. In his own words, I feel good

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Speaker 1: about the Republican Party.

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Speaker 6: I feel good about where we're going in the nation.

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Speaker 6: We're killing all the right people or cutting your Texas.

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Speaker 6: So to those who worry about these stupid interviews and

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Speaker 6: far off places, don't worry. The Republican Party has figured

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Speaker 6: it out. When it comes to Israel, we understand that

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Speaker 6: Israel is a friend of America to the bitter end.

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Speaker 3: We are cutting your taxes and we are killing all

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Speaker 3: the right people. That is now Lindsey Graham's pitch for

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Speaker 3: what MAGA is all about. And all of this is

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Speaker 3: in the context the fallout of the Tucker Carlson Nick

510
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Speaker 3: Fuentes interview, which has caused like massive consternation here in Washington.

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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up here from a Heritage Foundation,

512
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Speaker 3: which previously put out a video which you guys covered

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Speaker 3: on Friday, in defense of Tucker Carlson, but also saying

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Speaker 3: I disagree with Nick Fuintez. Here's like a long tortured

515
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Speaker 3: statement from Kevin Roberts, the president of Heritage of Hope,

516
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Speaker 3: saying yesterday I said I absorb abhorred views by Nick

517
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Speaker 3: Fuentez and a long thing about racism and anti Semitism

518
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Speaker 3: are not relics of the past. Actually, anti semitism and

519
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Speaker 3: all that is a huge problem. Let me just zoom

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Speaker 3: out and kind of give my general take about what's

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Speaker 3: happening here. Yeah, this is the same thing that happened

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Speaker 3: in the Democratic Party. Israel has been ripping apart the

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Speaker 3: coalition from the beginning, which is young people who are

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Speaker 3: skeptical of war, who are also deeply concerned about the

525
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Speaker 3: financial system, and the traditional three legged stool party elites.

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Speaker 3: Trump was a band aid during the campaign which could

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Speaker 3: somehow convince an RFK Tulsi supporter to vote for him.

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Speaker 3: In addition to the Republican Jewish Coalition and others who

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Speaker 3: say this most pro Israel president of all time, why

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Speaker 3: did that fall apart? Because, like Biden, you're not just

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Speaker 3: in the campaign anymore.

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Speaker 1: You have power.

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Speaker 3: When you have power, you make discrete choices. You made

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Speaker 3: a discrete choice to support Israel in the vacuum of that.

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Speaker 3: What the Republican Party elites did is throughout the entire

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Speaker 3: Biden administration and the early Trump administration, any critic of

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Speaker 3: the government of Israel and of US support for Israel

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Speaker 3: was branded anti semitic. From the beginning, there was a

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Speaker 3: concerted effort to make sure any critique of Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: on the state of Israel was in highly anti semitic.

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Speaker 3: So what happened with a significant portion of young podcast

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Speaker 3: curious young dudes who were pro Trump and who are

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Speaker 3: anti war. Where do you think that they started to

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00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: seek out some of their Israel and Trump criticism. That's

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Speaker 3: kind of a secondary part. And this is a sickness

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Speaker 3: that is currently in Magamedia. Nobody is ever able who

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Speaker 3: is quote unquote pro Trump or who is not a

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00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: leftist to just say basic critiques about Trump administration. And

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00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: so there is also a huge appetite for people who

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Speaker 3: are critical of Trump, not even just say from the right,

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Speaker 3: but who are not leftists. That's what a lot of

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Speaker 3: people who voted for Trump and who disagree with what

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Speaker 3: they say want to hear. That is the vacuum through

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Speaker 3: which mister Fuentes has been able to resuscitate much of

555
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: his image. Let's all remember where Nick Fuentez was before

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00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: October seventh. He was working on the kangne campaign doing

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Speaker 3: screens about you know whatever, black IQ or whatever on

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Speaker 3: his show. Okay, that's where he was and yes, he

559
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: was canceled to within an inch of his life. He

560
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: was off Twitter on unbanned him their SuperFect circumstance that

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Speaker 3: led to October seventh and the rerise.

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Speaker 1: Let's say on Twitter that is.

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Speaker 3: But though this is the this is what drives me

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Speaker 3: crazy about the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: They act like it came out of a vacuum.

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Speaker 3: It is a creation of the unending cancellation rhetoric from

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Speaker 3: the Zionist right that has now pervaded all of politics

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Speaker 3: for the last two years, which has pushed people to

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Speaker 3: the point where any criticism of the State of Israel's

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00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: conflated with anti semitism. The definition itself no longer means

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Speaker 3: almost anything to anyone, and they don't want to hear

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Speaker 3: it anymore. And then finally this kind of gets to

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Speaker 3: the whole rhetoric thing. And I saw this from Dave Smith.

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Speaker 3: How can I be lectured about racial politics and divisive

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Speaker 3: language after watching these people cheer on the depths of

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Speaker 3: starving children over the last two Let you're gonna lecture

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00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: me about morality and about race politics when you support

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00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: explicitly racially realigned state in the Middle East and you

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00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: create your whole identity around this. You have no moral

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Speaker 3: authority over me to lecture me about how my country

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00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: should act in relation to this other. That is the

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00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: vacuum through which this has all been created. And there's

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Speaker 3: so many I know, so many young people. They're not leftists,

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Speaker 3: and yes, even with Israel, they're not you know, genocide

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Speaker 3: posters or cafe awares at protests. They're just disgusted this

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Speaker 3: is being done both in our name and that we're

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Speaker 3: paying for it, and of the obsession of foreign politicians

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00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: while they have an inability to succeed financially in this country.

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00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: That's the entire thing that is about it. So that's

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Speaker 3: the schism. Charlie Kirk was doing his best, by the

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Speaker 3: way to try to maintain this and his loss really

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Speaker 3: what has erupted, you know, I think with this shows

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Speaker 3: how frankly valuable he was to the state of Israel,

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Speaker 3: I think in his ability to try and to square

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00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: this circle. But this conflict was inevitable because of the

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00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: situation that they created. And so I don't know, I

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Speaker 3: just I can't stand like so many of this, Randy Fine,

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about the things Randy Fine, Randy Feind said,

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Speaker 3: he wants to nuke Gaza. You're going to lecture me

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Speaker 3: about morality.

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Speaker 4: Called for them all to be starting, they called.

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Speaker 3: For them to be starved, and you're going to lecture

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00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: me about Hitlerism and about racism and morality police.

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Speaker 1: It's like, fuck you.

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Speaker 3: You know, well, and that's that is, you know, and

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Speaker 3: this is a long way before because this is what

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure I'm not saying. I'm no

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Speaker 3: fan of mister f who probably thinks I should be

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Speaker 3: denaturalized and deported and then my interracial marriage is horrible, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, But you know, I can also sociologically understand

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Speaker 3: why so many people would find that type of rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: Very uh, very convincing and entertaining.

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Speaker 3: Frankly, who else, I mean me few others who can

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Speaker 3: criticize Trump. There's not very many of us out there

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00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: who can say it legitimately. And there's a massive appetite

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Speaker 3: for it. Look at THEO, look at Andrew Schultz, look

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00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: at Tim Dillon. You know, all of these guys who

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Speaker 3: were Trump curious and are now very critical. There's a

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00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: massive audience for it. And then finally people are blaming Fuintes,

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Speaker 3: Tucker and others that is not why kids in Maga,

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Speaker 3: hats at Ole miss are showing up to TPUSA events

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Speaker 3: asking about Israel.

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Speaker 1: It's not you.

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Speaker 3: You can convince yourself all day long that that's the case.

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00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: You could literally deplatform fuent Tests and that he would

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Speaker 3: never have a platform ever again, those kids would still

627
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: be shown up there.

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Speaker 1: You have a reality problem in this entire thing.

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Speaker 3: And this is an unsquarable circle right now in the

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Speaker 3: current h in current politics. It just does not it's

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Speaker 3: not capable, frankly, of being squared with the current Republican

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Speaker 3: party elites which are in power.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the cat is out of the bag,

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Speaker 2: and in terms of you know, your assertion that these

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Speaker 2: young guys would still be showing up and asking questions

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00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: about Israel and whatever. But I also think a lot

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00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: of those guys are Fronte's fans, and they are grovers,

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Speaker 2: and he is incredibly he is incredibly influential among young

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Speaker 2: Republicans and young Republican men specifically. I think the point

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Speaker 2: that making is that effectively Republican elites have lost the

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00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: moral standing to gatekeep in any way. So even when

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Speaker 2: it comes to a literal Nazi, which Nick One does,

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Speaker 2: is I mean, he is a holocauster and I are

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Speaker 2: he does love Hitler like you know, backing Kanye as

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Speaker 2: he said, I love all that right.

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Speaker 4: He is those things.

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Speaker 2: And yet because number one, they have the elites of

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Speaker 2: the party have supported and outright JNA side that's happening

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Speaker 2: in our timelines. Number two, because they've tried to conflate

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Speaker 2: any criticism whatsoever of our foreign policy vis of the

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Speaker 2: Israel as anti semitism, they have lost any moral standing

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Speaker 2: to gatekeep and say this is the bounce of acceptable

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Speaker 2: discourse within the Republican Party. I think that's a problem

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Speaker 2: because I actually do think that you should keep Nazis

655
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Speaker 2: out of your coalition. I actually do think that that

656
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: should be a line that you can draw. And obviously,

657
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: like they have completely failed, through their abuse of the

658
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: term anti semitism, to maintain any sort of more legitimacy,

659
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: and not just through the use of the term, but

660
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: also through their own actions. I mean, point to Randy, Fine,

661
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: you can look at what this administration is doing. You

662
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: have lost any ability to tell people this is where

663
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Speaker 2: the line is and this is what is acceptable. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's a real problem because you know that Tucker,

665
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: that Tucker Fuente's interview. First of all, Tucker, before he

666
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: interviewed Nick was going very hard on the paint, saying

667
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: he's a gay loser who lives in his mom's basement.

668
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Speaker 2: Then when they're face to face, very patty cakes. You know,

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Speaker 2: I just explain to me in your own words, not

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00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: bringing up any specific things that he said for him

671
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Speaker 2: to have to grapple with, and fwent has realizes he's

672
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: got this opening because guess what if your narrative of

673
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: the world is like the Jews are the problem for everything.

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Speaker 2: You know, the fact that the State of Israel and

675
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: their defenders have gone done their dands to conflate every

676
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 2: Jew in the world with their genocidal actions is doing

677
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Speaker 2: half of the propaganda battle for neck fun t.

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Speaker 4: They are doing that, so you can.

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Speaker 2: Say, I agree, I agree that Israel is equivalent to

680
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: the Jews, and just look at what they're doing, and

681
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: look at how our politicians are acting. So through our

682
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: complicity in this genocide and through our pushing of the

683
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: propaganda that yes, every Jew has to be conflated with

684
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: the whrrors that are being done in their name. That

685
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: also helped to solidify the opening for Nick fintes. And

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00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: here's the other dynamic in politics, like Tucker, will you

687
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: know Tucker, especially.

688
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Speaker 4: When he was on Fox.

689
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how much he does it now, but

690
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: especially when he was on Fox, he talked all about

691
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: the Great Replacement theory, saying replacement and replacement, replay, blah blah,

692
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. He does enough to give himself plausible

693
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 2: deniability because the grander part of that conspiracy is that

694
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Speaker 2: it is Jews leading the Great replacement theory to replace

695
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Speaker 2: what he does.

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Speaker 4: No, that's soccer. Let me finish my point.

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00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't say that part right, He uses you know it,

698
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: keeps it on the like, oh, it's a political project

699
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: of the elites. Maybe he says, like the global elite,

700
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Speaker 2: but he maintains this plausible deniability.

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Speaker 4: Guess what.

702
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: The person who actually comes in and says the frickin thing,

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00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: and that's Nick Fuentez, who says it's the Jews or

704
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: coming in to replace the white people.

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00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 4: The person who actually says the.

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Speaker 2: Thing out loud, they are going to be the ones

707
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: who win that rhetorical debate. This is what Trump's He's

708
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: done in you know, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, with his rise,

709
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: the things that Fox News would dog whistle and hint at,

710
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: he would come out and say, so, that's the dynamic

711
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: that's going on right now with Tucker and Fuentez and Candice.

712
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, I think Hananian his assertion

713
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: that like this is the direction of the Republican Party,

714
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: I think he's right because what you think Mark Levin

715
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: is going to be able to pull this back? You

716
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: feel like, who's going to be the person going to say, no,

717
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: this is too far. We don't want to be an

718
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Speaker 2: actual Nazi party.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about why he's actually why I think that

720
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: Hanania is right in a sense. I think what he's

721
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: right in a sense is that the Republican Party establishment

722
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: doesn't have legitimacy for a significant portion of young people. Yeah,

723
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: not everyone on a bunch of leftists, many of us

724
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 3: have like very I mean, you know, even the framing

725
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: frankly about immigration that he just gave, like there is

726
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: a legitimate case to be made about immigration, apportionment and

727
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: the census. That's not a grand Jewish conspiracy. It's reality

728
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: in terms of the way that the demographic change of

729
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 3: our population happened under the Biden administration. We've had endless

730
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Speaker 3: arguments about that. But there's a non racial case, which

731
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Speaker 3: I believe most people who voted for Trump on immigration

732
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: actually do believe whenever they wanted control of our border

733
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Speaker 3: and particularly to want to know that and think that.

734
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Speaker 1: That's an insane system.

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Speaker 3: Now, however, what has happened is that under the Trump

736
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Speaker 3: administration with their flagrant, basically conflation of Jewish identity with

737
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Speaker 3: the state of Israel, which, by the way, Trump says

738
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: himself all the time, Oh, these Jews don't even support me,

739
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: even though I'm so pro what maybe, but israel supporters

740
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: do it themselves. John put Herrits, who is from Nepo

741
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: baby commentary writer, literally tweeted that Trump can say shylock

742
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: all he wants because he bombed he round. So Trump

743
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: can say the word shylock, which according to him is

744
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: a anti Jewish slur, because he did a foreign policy

745
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: action which is beneficial to the States. So you're the

746
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: ones who created this reality. So to the extent then

747
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: that the whole Republican Party is going in this direction again,

748
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: why is that? Because young people, particularly a lot of

749
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 3: young men, are deeply angry at the state of the country.

750
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Speaker 1: They feel as if they cannot advance.

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00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: The reason that they cannot advance is because of a

752
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: bipartisan establishment elite. They also do not feel that they

753
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: will ever be able to make enough money to support

754
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: themselves and get married, even though they want to. A

755
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: lot of these guys desperately want to get married, many

756
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: of them, by the way, let's even look at the

757
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: entire phenomenon of spending all your time online getting into

758
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: racial politics. That is loser behavior, and it is downstream

759
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 3: of gaming, pornography, marijuana, spending all your time by yourself.

760
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: Why do you think I rage against all this stuff

761
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: because it create these maladjusted, so anti social freaks who,

762
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: by the way, in all of society, when you have

763
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: underemployed angry young men, what direction does politics go. This

764
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: is not to excuse it. This is simply to show

765
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: you where things are headed. This is why I rail

766
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: against degenerate libertine society because I understand the consequences of it,

767
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: and we've seen it dramatically throughout history. And then finally,

768
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: to like the conservative point about why did Kevin Roberts,

769
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 3: Why is TPUSA having these issues?

770
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: Why?

771
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: Because it's a doubt, it's a bottom up phenomenon. I

772
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 3: can't tell you from my criticism of the state of Israel,

773
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: and more I get more private support than probably on

774
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: any other issue. I agree with you, I agree with

775
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: but they can't say it because their jobs depend on it.

776
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: That's not an anti Jewish conspiracy. That's reality. Is that

777
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: even if you are an econ staffer at a conservative

778
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: think tank, if you have.

779
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: A dissonanced view of Israel, you're dead.

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Speaker 3: Okay, You're not getting a job, You're not getting to get

781
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: job at the Trump administration. You're never going to work

782
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 3: again in this town. That's the reality they created. That's

783
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: not an anti Semitic point. That's just simply, again a

784
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: statement of fact, and that is slowly bubbling up. And

785
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 3: then let's take Tucker on top of all of this. Tucker,

786
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 3: who is the most in my opinion, influential. I mean, look, actually,

787
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: just go look at the download charts, number one conservative

788
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 3: podcast in the entire country, far out paces everyone else.

789
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: In the conversation with Fuentez, I personally would have liked

790
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: to see him more critical, I'll say it. And Tucker

791
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: is a great friend and I support him. I liked

792
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: being on a show, and I hope to be back

793
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: on again. I wish he had been a little bit

794
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: more critical of him in terms of because I know

795
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: he can do it. Look at the Ted Cruz stuff, right,

796
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: He's a master in if he wants to do. The

797
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: thing that comes down to it is that the friend

798
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: enemy distinction is becoming much more difficult because you have

799
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: to also consider the way that they have tried to

800
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: destroy his own life.

801
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: They literally with Tucker.

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00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean there's recently this Daily Mail piece where they

803
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: said Tucker Carlson quote needs to be neutralized. Okay, that's

804
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: the type of rhetoric that is now coming from the

805
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: more Zionist right wing. They're calling him hitler, youth. They're saying,

806
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: like the most dangerous anti Semite in the country, genuinely,

807
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: like an all out campaign to destroy his business, to

808
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: destroy his personal life, to destroy anybody who's associated with him.

809
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 3: That mentally, I'm saying because I suffer from this too.

810
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: For me, man, it is like whenever they want me

811
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: to cancel somebody else, especially for the whole Israel thing,

812
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: I have a lot of difficulty with it, I really do,

813
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: because of the level of vitriol.

814
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Speaker 1: You know that I have gotten.

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Speaker 3: I can't even criticize the Barry Weiss deal without being

816
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: bombarded with you're a Jew hater, right as if I

817
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 3: care that Barry Weiss is Jewish, that it has anything

818
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: to do with No, it's only about Israel. I don't

819
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: care about any of that. And so I'm saying from

820
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: my own personal experience, the level of personal vitriol that

821
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: you get as somebody who is in any way, you know,

822
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 3: more on the right wing end of the spectrum critical

823
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: of Israel, I think it might be ten times worse

824
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: than from the democratic side. Like the level of money,

825
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: the amount of you know, personal just nastiness that comes

826
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: away times me by one hundred. And that's where Tucker

827
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 3: Carlson is currently sittings. That's you know, this is why

828
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: it is just like these people deserve everything that's coming

829
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: to them.

830
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Speaker 1: They created this reality.

831
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Speaker 3: And then there's also politics on top of this, which

832
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: is somebody who tries to run on the mantle of

833
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: Trump again in twenty twenty eight and who especially wants

834
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: to win back these young people. I think this is

835
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 3: a non starter. I really do, because the Israel question,

836
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: if you cannot answer independently and honestly, you can still

837
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: be pro Israel, but you have to be able to

838
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: admit certain things like that kid said ethnic cleansing. If

839
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: you can't say those types of words and you just

840
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: you know, little Washington platitudes, that is a message that

841
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: you are either controlled part of the system, and we

842
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: can't have that anymore when we're young, not when my

843
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 3: health INTERNS is going up by twenty percent. And I'm

844
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent sure that if you get elected and

845
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: you talk that way, that that you're going to be

846
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: shipping bombs there and there's not a dollar come in

847
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: my way or anybody else. Yeah, that's why it's not

848
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 3: just about Israel. It's about control. The Democrats are figuring

849
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: this out now, and I think the Republicans, you know,

850
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: they're in for a rude awakening. And if you don't

851
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: give an inch, then yes, fwendees will be more popular

852
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: than ever.

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00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: It's not an inevitability. That's the irony of it.

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00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: I just said October seventh, you're working for Kanye, You're

855
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: doing nothing, all right, and it but the reality of

856
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: Israel criticism being slowly pushed out. How else do you

857
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: think myrone games and Nick Fuendez and Dan Bilzari, I

858
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: mean Bill's Aarian.

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Speaker 1: Nobody even heard of the guy for five six years.

860
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, before that, he was selling vakes with girls in bikinis.

861
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: Now he's you know, literally doing nothing but playing poker.

862
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: I guess whatever it is he does. Know, all of

863
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: a sudden, Israel right comes out of nowhere. This was

864
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: the back that the niche that they were able to

865
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: fill because of the reality.

866
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Speaker 1: That they created.

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Speaker 3: And then for many people who are not racist, anti

868
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Speaker 3: Semitic or anything. For many of us, I mean the

869
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: personal vitriol smear campaign and as you and I know

870
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: privately public or private campaign as well. In terms of

871
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 3: what is being used against us, it's one of those where,

872
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: you know, I talked about this in my interview with Tucker.

873
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: You have to fight every day not to become the

874
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: thing that they.

875
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: Want you to be.

876
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: They want you to hate Jews, they want you to

877
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: fulfill their conspiracy. They want me to give a diet

878
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: tribe about global jewelry or anything, and I'm not going

879
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: to do it. You know, it's I don't believe it.

880
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: I think it's ridiculous, But they want us to become

881
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: the mirror image of what they are.

882
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: Well because it because it proves their point point and

883
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: this point Ryan's made, which I think is true and

884
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: also is something that has been true since the foundation

885
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: of the State of Israel. The State of Israel and

886
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: the government benefits from a rise in genuine anti Semitism

887
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: because then they their propaganda. We have to have a

888
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: safe space for Jews, like that has more credibility. If

889
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: you see, you know, Myron Gains when the like Nazi

890
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: posting or I guess internal group chat of the quote

891
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: unquote young Republicans came out, he was like, we're done

892
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: with this. Yeah, we like Hitler. Now we're going to

893
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: say it like that's what we're talking about. I mean,

894
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: just so you guys know, we're not just casually throwing

895
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: around the tanagerm anti Semitism. These are people who genuinely

896
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: are like Hitler was based. We like Hitler, we support him.

897
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: Talk about the global Jewilic you know, really like go

898
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: full out with the great Replacement theory is led by Jews,

899
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: I mean, all in the most anti Semitic shit you

900
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: could possibly imagine. That's what we're talking about here. And

901
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean on the democratic side, you've had

902
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: effectively the Israelis have kind of like given up on Democrats.

903
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: You know, the base of the Democratic Party is ninety

904
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: percent against Israel at this point, eighty percent say as

905
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: a genocide. Like, there's a huge disconnect between the leadership,

906
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: the elite electeds of the Democratic Party and the base

907
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: that is being sorted out right now as we speak,

908
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: and the writing is.

909
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: On the wall.

910
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: The part of the reason why in the Republican side

911
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: it's so incredibly fierce and contested right now is number one,

912
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: because Trump's in power, He's the one who's actually like

913
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: doing the stuff. But number two, because you do still

914
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: have a majority of Republicans who are very Israel supportive.

915
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: You know, if you are over the age of let's

916
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: say forty, in the Republican Party, you still have that

917
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: very like there are ally sort of cold war mentality,

918
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: We're with them, no matter what you buy the propaganda.

919
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: You probably haven't really thought about it all that much, right,

920
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: It just yes, we support Israel, period, end of story.

921
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: And certainly the you know, the elites in the Republican

922
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: Party are almost all lockstep on board with Israel no

923
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: matter what. And like when the Democratic Party, a lot

924
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: of the donors are very committed to Israel and that's

925
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: their view as well. So that's why this is I

926
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: think so like hot and fiercely contested within the Republican

927
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: Party right now, is because you do have even among

928
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: the base, you have a genuine divide. We're still the

929
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: majority is very pro Israel. It's very generational, but the

930
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: majority is still very pro Israel. So that reckoning is

931
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: going to take a long time to come, and.

932
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: It is all generational.

933
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: And I mean, let's also just consider like some like

934
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: they literally support Israel, many of these people for religious reasons,

935
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: and then they get mad when Tucker was like, I

936
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: think it's heresy, you know, to purport your dispensationalist view

937
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: of the Bible to say that the political state of

938
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: Israel is described there and that's why we must support them,

939
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 3: as he showed with Ted Kruz. Why is that an

940
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: anti Semitic one? Why is that even an anti Christian

941
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: talking point? You're not allowed talker is not allowed to

942
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: debate Christian questions of theology.

943
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: That's the reality. I mean, this is what they're creating.

944
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: They're doing all of the you know, the cancel culture,

945
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 3: deplatforming discourse from Mark Levin and others. They are no

946
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: different you know, than any of the woke left was

947
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: on the issue of race at the height of twenty twenty.

948
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: And that's also I think that's another thing that really

949
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: gets a lot of us is if you don't religiously

950
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: care about Israel, you can't help. But look at the

951
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: same tactics by so many of the pro Israel supporters

952
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 3: to the same woke leftists on the issue of race,

953
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 3: who we desponse And.

954
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: Here we're not talking about trying to cancel Nick Funds.

955
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 2: We're talking about trying to cancel like you know, Dave Smith. Yeah,

956
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: you know people who just have like a legitimate critique

957
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 2: of Israel or you know, yourself or myself or whatever,

958
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: where it's like you can't even say these things because

959
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: I think there's a case for canceling Nickfunt. I think

960
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: there's a case for like it actually did work bad

961
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: when he was deplatformed, you had a lot less powered down,

962
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: the moment is different, et cetera. But you know, I

963
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: do think that there are lines that should be appropriate

964
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: to draw in society, and maybe being an overt Nazi

965
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: is one that we.

966
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: Could talk about.

967
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: It's difficult, but with what your point is is that

968
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 2: they drew the line at you literally cannot you cannot

969
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: protest Israel, you can't write an upbed about Israel, you

970
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: can't talk about it at all. If you do your comas,

971
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, everybody's amas, everything that is negative about Israel

972
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: is hamas, et cetera. And if you're going to try

973
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: to draw the line there, then yeah, people are going

974
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: to say and again this is not defending because again

975
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: we're talking earlier about personal responsibility, like these people are

976
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: responsible for their stupid, hateful Nazi views. But if you're

977
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 2: going to try to draw the line there, yeah, people

978
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: are going to say your antisemitic smear doesn't work. And

979
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: by the way, you're like actually low key convincing me

980
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: of the most extreme position, the actual hateful position on

981
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: this issue.

982
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and look, the cancelation thing, like we talked about

983
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, I mean, everybody does believe in a little

984
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 3: bit of cancel culture. And if we're all being honest,

985
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: the question I also think comes back to political effectiveness.

986
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: And I can't just help but point to the pre

987
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: October seventh consensus of where things were. That is, the

988
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: reality is different, and that's again I just want to

989
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: bring it back Todave who recently had a debate with

990
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: somebody and they were like, oh, Nick Flint has said that,

991
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: and he was just like, again, what is more damaging

992
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: to society, to norms is edgy trolling and in some

993
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: cases genuine racism and overt pro Nazism or cheering on

994
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: and politically supporting the slaughter of tens of thousands, if

995
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: not hundreds of thousands of people, and using our money

996
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: and perverting our political system. On that question, it's pretty

997
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: obvious to me which one that is.

998
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: This is not a defense again, these people hate my guts.

999
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: They think I'm some you know, they'll call me a jeet,

1000
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: they'll call me you know whatever, my child, they'll say

1001
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: is a mongrel.

1002
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So fuck them all?

1003
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 6: Right.

1004
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: I have no you know, political ground or any of

1005
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: that to be made whenever it comes. But you know

1006
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: the question, bingo right, and and unlike them, you know what,

1007
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: I think, we still have to live together. We all

1008
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: need to live together in this country. And you know,

1009
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 3: to borrow an AOC type leftist talking point in many respects,

1010
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: if you hold.

1011
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: Those views, I feel bad for you. I pity you.

1012
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: I genuinely think most of the time you are that

1013
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: way because you've got dealt a very shitthand in life.

1014
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 3: And yes, you have absolute and personal agency for the

1015
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 3: horrific things that you believe. And yes, on a personal level,

1016
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: if you ever said that to my face.

1017
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: I would probably beat the shit out of you if

1018
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: I could.

1019
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: But at a major sociological view, I can and do

1020
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: understand how people with views like that, first of all,

1021
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: should be overtly condemned on a personal level, and we

1022
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: should do everything we possibly can to prevent it. And

1023
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: I can understand how with our libertine, disgusting, degenerate society

1024
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: of gambling and all the other things, that we will

1025
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: create ten times more of people who hope those types

1026
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: of use, which is why I go to war with it.

1027
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: Well, my analysis leads to a different layer, which is

1028
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: that you have to deal with the material country, Like

1029
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: people have to feel like they have a stake in society,

1030
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: like they're going to be able to succeed, like there's

1031
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: a path, well just not just success, but some sort

1032
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: of meaning, some sort of purpose, right, Because if you

1033
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: don't have that, then it's going to you know, then yeah,

1034
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 2: you're going to spend your life, you know, traveling whatever

1035
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: using whatever opiate your society has available to you at

1036
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: this moment. And the one thing our socil society is

1037
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: fantastic at generating right at this moment, is high octane

1038
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: opiates to all of us, you know, to get addicted

1039
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 2: to and colonize our minds and distract us and preoccupy

1040
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: us so we can get our minds off the fact.

1041
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: For you know, a lot of individuals that life looks

1042
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: very bleak. If you don't deal with that, then you

1043
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: are going to have ugly, hateful politics. And that's what

1044
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: we're seeing right now. And so especially you know, if

1045
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: you have young people who come from middle class upbringings

1046
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: who you know, were sold the you go to college

1047
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: and do the thing and take on all the debt

1048
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: and you're going to be able to get a good

1049
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: job and then oh, whoops, we've created some AI and

1050
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: there are no jobs anymore, Like how do you think

1051
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: this is going to go? So, you know, you have to,

1052
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: on the one hand, like abhor certainly the influencers, the

1053
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: nickfue tees is of the world who actually have power.

1054
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: You have to abhor that.

1055
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: And I do think that, you know, I am more

1056
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: open into some like level of gatekeeping when it comes

1057
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: to in cancelation what.

1058
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: Comes to overt Nazis.

1059
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: But I also understand you're not going to cancel your

1060
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: way out of this problems.

1061
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: That's going to cancel your way.

1062
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 3: When people say cancelation, I'm like, listen, you know what

1063
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: you literally hear have an Indian guy trying to make

1064
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 3: the case here for why that's not going to solve

1065
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: your issue?

1066
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: Why are we here?

1067
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 3: Like, you can't ignore that we have to live in

1068
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: this heterogeneous multicultural society which was created. We have a

1069
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: lot of different views about how to get there, but

1070
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 3: we have to live together. You can't actually cancel your

1071
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: way out of it. It's impossible. If we could have,

1072
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: it would have worked. Seriously, it absolutely would have.

1073
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: I will I will maintain though that when fundt has

1074
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: was canceled, he had a lot less power. And he's

1075
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: and I do think you look, he's he's like funny,

1076
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: he's talented. You know, he has a hold on he

1077
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: has power. I mean that's part of why you see

1078
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: so many right now on the right, like you know,

1079
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: having him on and having a little patty case and

1080
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: they're afraid because he has a he not only has

1081
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: a significant audience. But he has a lot of clout

1082
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: and sway with that audience. And so if you're in

1083
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: the camp that has been Israel critical, you likely share

1084
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: a lot of fans with Nick Flintes, and you're a

1085
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: little nervous. I mean, these with the incentives and people

1086
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: can talk themselves into a lot of things things, but

1087
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: your incentive is, let me be a little kid gloves here.

1088
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: Let me not piss off my own fan base. Let me,

1089
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: you know, let me not look like I'm some like

1090
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: loser wokes goold cook, cringe, whatever. And so you know

1091
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: that's that's part of what's going on here too. And

1092
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: Fuentes realizes he has this moment and he's trying to moderate,

1093
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: you know, with Tucker. He's, Oh, no, I don't hate anybody,

1094
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. It's like, which is why you have

1095
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: to go back? Okay, well why did.

1096
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 4: You say this about you? Why did you say this

1097
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 4: about black people? Why did you say they should other

1098
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 4: all criminals? They should all be locked up?

1099
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: Right, So he's trying to mainstream himself right now, and

1100
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: it is it's working.

1101
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: It's working to the extent of the influencer point. You're

1102
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: definitely correct.

1103
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I actually really think a lot of this

1104
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: is friend enemy. I think that's what it mostly is at.

1105
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, this is something you all

1106
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: have to be careful of. Is you all fall You know,

1107
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 3: a lot of people fall for the enemy of my

1108
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: enemy is my friend. That's just not always the case, Okay,

1109
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: Like sometimes you have to have a lot of personal

1110
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: agency to make sure you don't go down that hole.

1111
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, on a personal level, I

1112
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: really detest a lot of these people, and they've said

1113
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 3: some horrible, horrible things about me, but I can see

1114
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: it literally like me personally, but also you know, anybody

1115
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: who is Indian American. But the point I always come

1116
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: back to is I'm like, Okay, this is really bad,

1117
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 3: and we need to make sure that this doesn't become

1118
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: like a bigger thing. Now, how do we make sure

1119
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: that that's become a bigger thing. Well, we take a

1120
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: look at why anybody would potentially even be influenced by

1121
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: this in the first place, because you can't cancel your

1122
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 3: way out of this, especially now you know it's out

1123
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: me open right the gate keeping shit.

1124
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't work anymore.

1125
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 3: We literally live in the age of the printing press

1126
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 3: where anybody with a voice in a megaphone can get

1127
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: a voice at any time. Yes, perhaps there's some downsides

1128
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: to that, but there's a lot of benefits to it

1129
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: as well, and to the whole original point around free speech,

1130
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 3: and you're talking about material conditions. I don't think that

1131
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 3: it's all that ultimately difficult to make sure that things

1132
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: don't go down this dark direction. You just have to

1133
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: have democratic legitimacy with the people. That is why there

1134
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: is so much despondency when we think back to the

1135
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: early days of fascism in the nineteen thirties and with Mussolini.

1136
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 3: You have to understand that the Weimar Republic was doing

1137
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: okay prior to the Great Depression, and it was a

1138
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: multi factorial decision ultimately to pursue the path of Nazism

1139
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 3: and of fascism in Italy. Most of it came back

1140
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: to the failure of the Treaty of Versailles. So a

1141
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 3: lack of faith in the political elite, the stab in

1142
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: the back theory that games legitimacy, a lack of faith

1143
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: in the economic institutions, and a fundamental belief that this

1144
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: previous way of doing business was not a way to

1145
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 3: solve our problems and make it so that we can

1146
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 3: have any sort of legitimate say in our affairs, which

1147
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: is why people went down that road. You can go

1148
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 3: and read Richard Evans The Rise of the Richard Evans

1149
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 3: series on the third right. It's one of the best

1150
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: series of books I've ever read, and when you read it,

1151
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 3: you will not justify it, but you will understand. And

1152
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 3: I think that that's what more people need to understand.

1153
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't, by the way, I don't think

1154
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 3: we're anywhere close to that, But I'm only I'm only

1155
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 3: saying though that to demographically try to understand and save

1156
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 3: your own country, you have to make sure that you

1157
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: don't create the same way that they tried to at

1158
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 3: that time of oh, well, you know, they tried to

1159
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: solve it through violence or as you said, cancellation right.

1160
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: Outlawing literal political part.

1161
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: They believed that that was a way that you could

1162
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: pursue your own ends. It wasn't true, ultimately, so you

1163
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 3: have to learn from a lot of those things.

1164
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: You know.

1165
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 4: Finally we have a successful example here.

1166
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: I was going to say the Freedom I have that

1167
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,479
Speaker 3: Freedom from Fear book right behind me. And the reason

1168
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 3: I do is because that book is about how FDR

1169
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 3: saved America from a communist or a fascism, a fascist revolution.

1170
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: We were going down that road.

1171
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: I really believe that in the thirties we had an

1172
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: actual choice. Or if FDR had died in nineteen thirty four,

1173
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 3: like in some sort of alternate history, things would have

1174
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: gone in.

1175
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: A very bad direction.

1176
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: But that's a real example by the way of how

1177
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: you know, you can solve a lot of it. And

1178
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: there were serious similar problems at that time. Why you

1179
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: think anti semitism problem, Now go back to the nineteen thirties,

1180
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: you think racism is a problem. Now listen, man, like

1181
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: you have no idea what you're talking about from the

1182
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: rise of the KKK and all that at that time.

1183
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: Not to go take a look at any Confederate statue

1184
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 3: on any battlefield. It'll all say built in nineteen thirty three.

1185
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: All right, it's not an accident for why all of

1186
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: that came to be. So, yes, study your own history

1187
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: and examples and see how you don't have to go

1188
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: down that direction.

1189
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1190
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: Do I have faith that any of our political leaders

1191
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: will go down then or take us out of this.

1192
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 4: No, I actually don't these are the are if anything,

1193
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1194
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: Maybe this is like a live narration of our own downfall.

1195
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 3: But there you go, all right, dark dark sometimes Okay,

1196
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: we'll see you later.

1197
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 8: K