Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, hello call it crew, Hello, Camilla, Hi, Jessica.
Speaker 3: My favorite time of the week.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I really look forward
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: I think about things all the time where I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold that thought, don't even process that thought anymore, wait
Speaker 1: to talk about it with Kamila.
Speaker 3: We do. We do this on the phone too, where
Speaker 3: we call each other and you'll start telling a story
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't want to hear it, don't anymore.
Speaker 3: We're talking about this on the pod, and I do
Speaker 3: feel like I want to start the show by saying,
Speaker 3: because I absolutely geeked out. Yahoo just had this little release,
Speaker 3: this article saying that they're top They're six top celebrity
Speaker 3: podcasts that they're really enjoying listen to listening.
Speaker 1: And no, well, I think that the exact words were
Speaker 1: because I think that it's important to explain why we
Speaker 1: felt the power it was the top six celebrity podcast
Speaker 1: that we can't stop listening to.
Speaker 2: Yes, can you think of a better compliment?
Speaker 3: I cannot? And I feel like and temmy how you
Speaker 3: feel I read it and I felt like it wasn't
Speaker 3: just us because our podcast includes This is what I
Speaker 3: love so much about this, it includes you guys. Are
Speaker 3: call it community, we call it crew, and so you
Speaker 3: guys are also part of listening to this podcast. You're
Speaker 3: writing us in, you're being vulnerable, we're sharing funny moments,
Speaker 3: we're sharing hard moments, and so it's all of us.
Speaker 3: I felt like it was an article for us, like
Speaker 3: acknowledging all of us, and I just thought that was
Speaker 3: so amazing. I geeked out.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I felt a very big flush
Speaker 1: of excitement.
Speaker 2: I was very excited. I also just feel like there's.
Speaker 1: So much more to come, so I can't I can't
Speaker 1: wait for the more and more. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like the every time we go back to the well
Speaker 1: of questions and it's just so there's it's so hard
Speaker 1: to pick because all of them are so rich and
Speaker 1: interesting and and I just.
Speaker 2: Love them all.
Speaker 1: How's your week, Ben, I'm still you know, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: the summer of it all. We've sort of established a
Speaker 1: groove though we've got the campser they've been locked in.
Speaker 1: We're locked into the camps. Yeah, and then I have
Speaker 1: been sort of finding my rhythm and finding my way.
Speaker 2: And I've started working out again.
Speaker 1: And you know, they always tell you, all the scientists
Speaker 1: and people who know things, you know, how when you
Speaker 1: work out, you not only it's not just good for
Speaker 1: your body, but it's also really good.
Speaker 2: For your mind.
Speaker 1: And I always go, yeah, of course I know that, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: But I have to say today I went to a
Speaker 1: class that was really really hard, and I was sweating
Speaker 1: and it was hard, and I was hot, and it's
Speaker 1: all the things. And then I finished it and I
Speaker 1: came out and I like my whole mind was like
Speaker 1: clear and crisp, and I felt really good and I
Speaker 1: felt happy, not like I exkew sad so much, but
Speaker 1: I I just I felt like a whole release of
Speaker 1: all the things that they tell you happen scientifically within
Speaker 1: your body. And so I'm here to say anybody who's
Speaker 1: you know, contemplating that gym schedule, contemplating that class schedule
Speaker 1: near you, I'm here to say, go do it, Go
Speaker 1: do it, because guess what, there's some happy there's some
Speaker 1: happy juice.
Speaker 2: And all that I finished, it was like I could
Speaker 2: attack the world.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I loved reform a pilates and then the
Speaker 3: place I used to go to it shut down in
Speaker 3: the pandemic. And I have a group of girlfriends and
Speaker 3: they were like, hey, we take this class in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: It's a me you have to come. And I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's great. Okay, I can go with
Speaker 3: a few of my friends and start reformer plates again.
Speaker 3: And then I was like what, okay, so what's the
Speaker 3: place called? Like where is it? And they're like oh oh,
Speaker 3: and I'm like what and they're like, oh, the place
Speaker 3: is called Grace Anatomy. And I was like, you guys,
Speaker 3: do you know what a loser I would look like
Speaker 3: if I showed like, out of all the pilates place
Speaker 3: in los places in Los Angeles. I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to go to Grace's Anatomy. Why don't I just
Speaker 3: wear scrubs like I was, I will look like such
Speaker 3: a loser, Like look at me. I'm here, doctor Wilson.
Speaker 3: So that's my excuse for not working out.
Speaker 2: Okay, we need to find you a different place.
Speaker 3: Then, No, I have some weights at home. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to do the weight thing.
Speaker 1: See, I like pilates too, and I think that that's
Speaker 1: really great, although I've never I'm sorry to all those
Speaker 1: who are pilates fanatics. I mean I'm saying yes and
Speaker 1: or no, and I don't ever see a giant difference
Speaker 1: in my physique.
Speaker 2: Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't take plates a bunch of times and say like, Wow,
Speaker 1: my body's really changing in this way. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that I don't highly enjoy it and that I don't
Speaker 1: think that there are benefits to it. I just think
Speaker 1: that it's harder. Like if you start lifting weights or
Speaker 1: you do a bunch of cardio. I think that you
Speaker 1: see a more immediate difference in your body, like in
Speaker 1: your physique. The way it looks plates, I think is
Speaker 1: a little more subtle.
Speaker 3: I just enjoy it. Yeah, I just enjoy the plates
Speaker 3: of it. I My week is I'm making over the summer.
Speaker 3: I'm done. Oh I'm done with it. And can I
Speaker 3: tell you something. I was so excited I walked into
Speaker 3: Joanne Fabrics. No, this is not an ad for Joanne Fabrics.
Speaker 3: I got that, by the way. When I mentioned Dyson
Speaker 3: the other day, Everyone's like, that's a dice in commercial.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I wish it was. Because I spent
Speaker 3: a lot of money on that thing. I walk into Johann's.
Speaker 3: Joannes already has all of the Halloween decor and I
Speaker 3: don't know if you feel this way. I love Halloween
Speaker 3: so much it my soul. I was like skipping through
Speaker 3: the aisles. I was like, it's a skeleton. And every
Speaker 3: year MAT's like, please don't buy any more stuff. And
Speaker 3: I have my eyeballs on like a twenty foot skeleton
Speaker 3: that I genuinely think would look great in our front yard.
Speaker 3: And I'm not joking. Do you do like the inflatable?
Speaker 1: Do you do the thing you We're really gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Halloween right now?
Speaker 3: I want to why not? I'm just wondering, like that's
Speaker 3: where I'm at. I hate I'm over that summer. Do
Speaker 3: you do it? Just answer me this. Do you do
Speaker 3: the inflatables?
Speaker 2: Well, here's what you know what.
Speaker 1: I think a better answer is, let's put a pause
Speaker 1: on this because we have a very exciting thing happening today.
Speaker 2: Let's just put press pause on Halloween. We're gonna come
Speaker 2: back to it.
Speaker 1: So, just like my minority report helicopter pilot situation, you
Speaker 1: know what going to come back.
Speaker 3: To us on my happiness.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pause your happines. But I'm gonna bring you
Speaker 1: even greater happiness. Are you ready as to what we
Speaker 1: have here today? Guess who's joining our little community. Guess
Speaker 1: who's jumping on board becoming part of the crew? Skuyler Aston,
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. I'm so excited because I don't know him.
Speaker 4: You do.
Speaker 2: I know him from Afar. You know him up close?
Speaker 3: He is the best real close. Yeah, we got and
Speaker 3: you smooch him. Actually no, they didn't smooch.
Speaker 2: Interesting, I know it.
Speaker 3: I know. Didn't you have sex behind the scenes? No,
Speaker 3: that sounded really not behind the scenes. People on the show.
Speaker 3: They on the show. Joe talks about very bad sex
Speaker 3: with him, actually, very not good sex.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you made the sweet love, but
Speaker 1: evidently you did not. You made that was a sad sex,
Speaker 1: not so sweet sex, but without kissing.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was not so sweet because there was no kissing,
Speaker 2: because you need a little foreplay before the big event.
Speaker 3: No, you do, there was.
Speaker 2: We digressed.
Speaker 1: We were talking about being excited.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let Skyler talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna talk to him about a lot of things.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited. All right, Can we let him in.
Speaker 3: We're gonna let him in, Skyler Aston welcome to call
Speaker 3: it what it is, welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 2: I have not seen so excited.
Speaker 3: We're so excited. I can't The last time I saw
Speaker 3: you was when you walked off set on Gray's Anatomy.
Speaker 4: The Saddest and we made that cute little video with
Speaker 4: the breakfast close I know, and the newest influencer duo
Speaker 4: by the way.
Speaker 3: Actually, can I tell you, I feel like Skyler started
Speaker 3: me on the TikTok cool trend. I was not like
Speaker 3: Skylark arrived on set and he was like, we've got
Speaker 3: to make some cool stuff, and I was like, what's
Speaker 3: the internet?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure, but these eight year old all
Speaker 4: know what the internet is and they did all of
Speaker 4: our work for us.
Speaker 5: And since then, I've not posted on TikTok because they
Speaker 5: were They did all the stuff. They just told us
Speaker 5: what was cool.
Speaker 3: Yes, Jess, you know all of our amazing eighties on Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, and often stars of the TikTok videos themselves.
Speaker 3: We forced them to be stars of it and they're
Speaker 3: all cool gen z. They Now.
Speaker 1: I see how it started because when I went back.
Speaker 1: She made me do stuff and I was just like
Speaker 1: all right. I was just just I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to do.
Speaker 2: I'll just do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just what happened.
Speaker 4: Now when I see you do it, I get fomo
Speaker 4: because I'm like, I can't even do this anymore. I
Speaker 4: just have the ideas you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you knew where to find.
Speaker 4: Her, that's true.
Speaker 2: Slash that badge, get on in there.
Speaker 4: I do have a bunch of their numbers. I could
Speaker 4: call them. I just start like.
Speaker 3: Your social media manager. Okay. So for people that have
Speaker 3: not seen Grey's Anatomy or are still catching up on
Speaker 3: Grey's Anatomy, Skyler came on to play Joe Wilson, my
Speaker 3: character's love interest, for I think four episodes thinking about
Speaker 3: four ish. I did not known each other before, and
Speaker 3: it was instant love for me at least Skyler. No,
Speaker 3: So we just clicked instantly, and in fact, to be honest,
Speaker 3: I did like try and beg the writers to just
Speaker 3: keep you and be like, no, this is the guy
Speaker 3: for Joe. And then you went on book show.
Speaker 4: I loved that you used to do that.
Speaker 5: I was I'm by the way. I was down to
Speaker 5: do both. I don't know if I could split my
Speaker 5: body in half, but like I love, like.
Speaker 4: Can we keep them?
Speaker 5: And I I had it was an absolute delight of
Speaker 5: working with you. Was so easy, very rarely. I mean
Speaker 5: I I tend to get along with people that I
Speaker 5: work with. Both sometimes it's just like love it first scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah, love for scene, and we had it and we
Speaker 3: laughed so much.
Speaker 5: Yes, And for those of you, I mean, is it
Speaker 5: is it okay to give spoilers about Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm alive, but I don't. But I was kind of
Speaker 4: cast off in a a in a swift way. And
Speaker 4: I think you and I were both like playing love.
Speaker 4: We were pretty hard. And now there was one one
Speaker 4: episode where it was like and now he's clinging, and
Speaker 4: now you're repulsed by him, and now he's gone.
Speaker 3: Yes, we were playing. We were playing the long game.
Speaker 3: I think we didn't know, we didn't know where it
Speaker 3: went and and it was so adorable and so cute.
Speaker 3: And I had said to them, you've got to bring
Speaker 3: someone on the show for Joe that's so different to
Speaker 3: her past relationship, someone that's really fun and like brings
Speaker 3: that out of her, and then you walked onto set
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god, this works and
Speaker 3: people instantly are fandom. As you know, Jessica is very
Speaker 3: fickle and it takes a long time for them to
Speaker 3: warm up to new relationships. And it was like instantly
Speaker 3: as soon as you aired, everyone really loved those two
Speaker 3: characters together, which was so awesome and amazing, and I
Speaker 3: was like, we have something here. But then you're so
Speaker 3: talented you had to go book something.
Speaker 1: I feel but I feel like the story isn't over yet.
Speaker 1: Listening to you guys talk about this, I feel like
Speaker 1: the story is not over.
Speaker 2: I feel like and grace everything. Just I just feel
Speaker 2: like there's a chance for you guys.
Speaker 3: Honestly ended, it was so cringey. Yeah, oh it killed it.
Speaker 3: He bought me like, like your you want to tell
Speaker 3: the story, you can tell the story of Skyler because
Speaker 3: it was your sex bear.
Speaker 5: So so since they had to get me off, and
Speaker 5: I guess they.
Speaker 4: Did keep me around for maybe the future, who knows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I just started to I would always do
Speaker 5: like really sweet things or my character obviously where I
Speaker 5: would show up at Joe's.
Speaker 4: Work and I would bring our cookies and bring, you know,
Speaker 4: bring it just be this.
Speaker 5: The sweet guy would help like walk the stroller in
Speaker 5: to the hospital and then and then it just took
Speaker 5: it a little too far where he was just like
Speaker 5: giving too many gifts. And apparently we didn't shoot this scene,
Speaker 5: but Joe references the fact that when we finally do
Speaker 5: the deed, I sing in operatic fashion when I wow.
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny is I literally forgot about
Speaker 3: that until you just said it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so now they were like Todd.
Speaker 5: She's talking to Chris Carmack's character about like, I don't
Speaker 5: know about this Todd guy.
Speaker 4: And then there I show up with like this humongous
Speaker 4: oversized stuff. He and I'm just like, I'm at the hospital.
Speaker 4: I got you a bear because we had sex. It's
Speaker 4: a sex bear and know a word set out that
Speaker 4: was yes, that was that was written and performed.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if there's really Wow.
Speaker 4: Listen, those Gray's Anatomy writers are so amazing. They could
Speaker 4: write anything. They could reverse it. I meant by sex bear,
Speaker 4: what was that we were bear? We were having I
Speaker 4: was not or.
Speaker 3: You know what they could do. They could be like
Speaker 3: link told me that you loved this and to say
Speaker 3: this like he had sabotaged.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: Killing two birds with one story. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, so Jessica did not work with you on Grace. However,
Speaker 3: you are a huge Spring Awakening fan, jess You so just.
Speaker 2: Stole my thunder there, just.
Speaker 4: Back it up there.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I'm not gonna pretend.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't say that, pretend like should s. Let's start with this. Okay,
Speaker 2: So you guys got to work together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I have.
Speaker 1: Known you for longer because I was in the second
Speaker 1: row of the original Spring Awakening.
Speaker 4: Wow, so you got all the Jonathan Gross I.
Speaker 2: Got so much spit. Yeah, so much spit, and I
Speaker 2: down for it. I bought it all. I loved that
Speaker 2: show so much. I went home, I listened to it.
Speaker 1: I would sing and dance in my own kitchen, in
Speaker 1: my bathroom wherever.
Speaker 2: I would listen in the car, all of it, all
Speaker 2: of it, all of it.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty much a musical theater nerd, and I
Speaker 1: think that the thing that's so crazy about musicals is
Speaker 1: that oftentimes, especially with musicals, it's very rare that there's
Speaker 1: a new show that can feel like something you've lived
Speaker 1: with your whole life, or that you can't believe you
Speaker 1: lived with that, And Spring Awakening was that for me,
Speaker 1: I'm such a nerd.
Speaker 2: And I also watched the documentary.
Speaker 4: Nice That was really fun.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun to watch, and I felt
Speaker 1: like I got a peek behind the curtain. And also,
Speaker 1: of course when I was watching the play, sitting there
Speaker 1: for the first time, because everyone was so fresh and new,
Speaker 1: I could make up.
Speaker 2: What I well.
Speaker 1: Also, as this happens obviously when people watch anything where
Speaker 1: people are really good at their job, is that you
Speaker 1: guys were your characters to me, so I was. They
Speaker 1: were deeply in love. It was I mean, I had
Speaker 1: the high and low. I was just there for it all.
Speaker 1: When shows like that start, as soon as I'm in,
Speaker 1: I start crying, Like I just feel so overwhelmed by
Speaker 1: the music, and I feel so overwhelmed by how incredibly
Speaker 1: brave it is to stand up there in front of
Speaker 1: all of those people, Like I get goosebumps now, like,
Speaker 1: because it's one thing to speak and to connect and
Speaker 1: to tell a story and to live with script that
Speaker 1: you are making new every night. But for me, maybe
Speaker 1: because I haven't been blessed with that talent, although I
Speaker 1: long for it, I cannot believe that you could sing
Speaker 1: and connect and emote and feel and create stories.
Speaker 2: So when I watch it, I'm so moved by it,
Speaker 2: and I just loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it,
Speaker 2: loved it.
Speaker 4: That's so sweet.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was a very like raw and emotional
Speaker 5: show and it definitely struck a chord because it is like,
Speaker 5: unapologetically about adolescents and what happens when your kid when
Speaker 5: parents are repressive to children.
Speaker 4: So for that expression came from such a real place,
Speaker 4: and people loved it because it was.
Speaker 5: One of the few times where it wasn't like adults
Speaker 5: playing kids, but we were actually kids ourselves, which is
Speaker 5: probably why you were like, you are the characters and
Speaker 5: we kind of were in a way. It wasn't really
Speaker 5: like cast in a traditional sense or made in a
Speaker 5: traditional sense. They were adapting the characters to us. Like
Speaker 5: my character plays piano in the play, and I like
Speaker 5: am obsessed with my piano teacher, And that really was
Speaker 5: born from me being on a break, like on a
Speaker 5: lunch break, just playing piano with the cast and messing around.
Speaker 4: On like some billy Joel or something like that.
Speaker 5: And at the time, our musical director was doing double
Speaker 5: duty conducting another show, and they were like, well, we
Speaker 5: love this musical director, but how are we going to
Speaker 5: keep her if she can't play the show. And then
Speaker 5: they ended up writing my character to be a piano
Speaker 5: player so that I could also play the show, and
Speaker 5: I had to join the Musicians Union, and so like
Speaker 5: that is a little that is like one of the
Speaker 5: little nuggets that made this show so deeply personal to
Speaker 5: the people doing it and to the people you know,
Speaker 5: seeing it and feeling.
Speaker 3: That, yeah, I want to know about the casting process
Speaker 3: for people that didn't see the documentary and tell me
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: Okay. So I joined it when I was like sixteen.
Speaker 4: They've done so many workshops and iterations and different casts,
Speaker 4: and every single time you had there was a.
Speaker 5: New workshop you had to re audition because there was
Speaker 5: just always like you've got now.
Speaker 4: It's not even that you were like got too old old,
Speaker 4: it's just they were always changing the cast.
Speaker 5: And I joined, and I joined the same time Leah
Speaker 5: Michelle joined and John Gallagher Junior joined.
Speaker 4: And the three of us loved him. He's so fantastic
Speaker 4: and I love him.
Speaker 5: But stayed through the Lincoln Center production, like little workshop
Speaker 5: thing that we did and then I had to and
Speaker 5: then I went to n Yu and then.
Speaker 4: I thought it was done. It was done because that's
Speaker 4: there were like year gaps in between it. It was
Speaker 4: a very obscure piece at the time, still being developed.
Speaker 4: It was very different, Like the rock music wasn't like
Speaker 4: musical theater rock. It was like actual It was written
Speaker 4: by actual like alternative rock guy.
Speaker 2: Who went to Brown. I didn't got to spoil him, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Duncan Cheek was brilliant now Grammy winning and.
Speaker 5: He he was just this like anti musical guy, which
Speaker 5: is kind of uh. It was an interesting creative team
Speaker 5: because we had like traditional Broadway people and very untraditional
Speaker 5: people and sometimes I won't say they clashed, but I
Speaker 5: think like Duncan had an aversion to do certain things
Speaker 5: that like just are like the recipe in the form
Speaker 5: we loa for certain songs, like putting a big button
Speaker 5: on it, like we're here, you know, like that's a
Speaker 5: that's called the button. He hated buttons. It needed to
Speaker 5: like fade into obscurity with like a chord like it
Speaker 5: could make sense now, and that always like tied you know,
Speaker 5: so so like so we were we were discouraged from
Speaker 5: singing musical theater songs for the audition, So I sang
Speaker 5: something in the Way She Moves by the Beatles. That
Speaker 5: was always my song. It was just an honest song
Speaker 5: that I could connect to the words. But also I
Speaker 5: wasn't like super Broadway about it, and I did my
Speaker 5: best cool guy impression, and.
Speaker 4: But then you're super formal period text that's like nineteenth
Speaker 4: century Bavaria, like Germany. So it was a definitely interesting
Speaker 4: skill set you need to have, like actual actors who
Speaker 4: also knew how to like sing alternative rock. And that's
Speaker 4: why since it was a difficult search, that's why we
Speaker 4: had to re audition every time. So in between, like
Speaker 4: I went to a full semester of college and then
Speaker 4: finally it was happening, I kind of played hooky in
Speaker 4: a way and auditioned and then ended up taking a
Speaker 4: leave of absence that became a permanent leave of absence
Speaker 4: from college and went on to do it off Broadway
Speaker 4: and then Broadway and then beyond.
Speaker 1: It was such an incredible concentration of talent and think
Speaker 1: about I mean, there's just it was look at where
Speaker 1: everybody went. You know, it's kind of like, that's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: I saw during the holidays. I saw it with my
Speaker 1: parents and then my younger brother, and he was again
Speaker 1: just hearkening back to that second row aspect of it.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of sex, a lot of sex,
Speaker 1: and he was like he was, I don't know that
Speaker 1: my parents knew.
Speaker 2: I don't think they read the fine print. It was
Speaker 2: actually a formative experience for.
Speaker 1: Him, because I think I'm pretty sure we'll have to
Speaker 1: I'll have to ask him, but I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: he actually has like really deep not trauma, but deep
Speaker 1: feeling about the hilarity of feeling that he was having,
Speaker 1: which was probably some kind of because it was sexy,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't just sex in front of you, was
Speaker 1: actually fucking sexy like you.
Speaker 2: It was arousing and.
Speaker 4: Then you had.
Speaker 5: I mean, there was there was sex. There was masturbation.
Speaker 5: I had to masturbation. I had to do a jerk
Speaker 5: in a cirque.
Speaker 1: Really just started saying masturbation out loud myself, like, and
Speaker 1: this was on stage.
Speaker 2: They were saying it and doing it.
Speaker 4: Imagine imagine being the actor in it, doing it in
Speaker 4: front of your grandparents who are finally seeing their baby boy.
Speaker 4: On Broadway for the first time. Oh god, I had
Speaker 4: I had to do a lot of crazy stuff and
Speaker 4: and and you know, rip off the band aid. I
Speaker 4: think we got so comfortable with the material that it
Speaker 4: almost became kind.
Speaker 5: Of fun and funny to us. Because we also we
Speaker 5: sat on stage the entire show. We never left the stage,
Speaker 5: so even when we weren't in character, we were sitting
Speaker 5: right because we had audience on the stage as well,
Speaker 5: on three sides, and so we would sit amongst them
Speaker 5: and then come on and do the scenes and then
Speaker 5: come off. So and there's moments in the scenes where
Speaker 5: we're on stage, but we were kind of like ghosts,
Speaker 5: not ghost versions of our characters, but kind of like
Speaker 5: commenting on the show a little bit.
Speaker 4: So needless say, we get to see the audience a lot,
Speaker 4: and we get to kind of like hear the audience,
Speaker 4: and we know when they're going to react. And we've
Speaker 4: had some instances speaking of masturbation. We've had people. I've
Speaker 4: had room keys thrown at me and I was like,
Speaker 4: I was like seventeen eighteen, being like, what are you doing, ma'am?
Speaker 4: And then we were doing that, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: Where are we going? And then and then we also
Speaker 4: had someone like in the balcony speaking of masturbation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Do you like.
Speaker 1: To know when people are in the audience or not?
Speaker 1: And I mean like relatives. I mean I was in
Speaker 1: a couple of shows where like there were actors who
Speaker 1: were like, I want to know when someone famous is here, Like,
Speaker 1: tell me if someone famous is here, I want to know,
Speaker 1: And then other people that were like you better not
Speaker 1: and tell me I don't want to know.
Speaker 2: Where do you land on this.
Speaker 4: Well, like a level of what is it called tradition
Speaker 4: or when you don't want to like superstition where you're
Speaker 4: not supposed to like those are technically the rules, like
Speaker 4: you're not supposed to talk about reviews, you're not supposed
Speaker 4: to talk about who's in the house. However, of course
Speaker 4: that happens, and I'm kind of like whatever about it.
Speaker 5: I know, like Jonathan Graff is like, oh my god, wait,
Speaker 5: tell me I need to know. And there's other people
Speaker 5: I need to leave the room.
Speaker 4: So I don't like to say it, but if I
Speaker 4: happen to hear it, it depends who it is. Sometimes
Speaker 4: sometimes it is tough because you're like, wow, I'm really
Speaker 4: thinking about this person the entire show. But also it's
Speaker 4: not always the ones thing. Sometimes you're like, I'm kind
Speaker 4: of glad.
Speaker 5: I know, not that I would give any more or less,
Speaker 5: but like, oh, this is cool that.
Speaker 4: I'm doing this, and like Billy Joebels l here.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when I went, I went with my parents.
Speaker 1: Know that Steven Spielberg, Okay, Capshaw were in the audience.
Speaker 4: I did Steve mister Spielberg came backstage.
Speaker 2: I think I was there, and I think we could.
Speaker 1: I think the internet, because it knows all we'll be
Speaker 1: able to pick up get these pictures. I think there's
Speaker 1: a picture of all the whole family and some of
Speaker 1: you at least in like a stairwell.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that means that we were together in that picture.
Speaker 1: Oh Skylerci, I've known him so much longer than you, Tameila, you.
Speaker 3: Know I heard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were all auditioning, like for one of his
Speaker 4: he had like one of his mini series is at
Speaker 4: the time, it was probably.
Speaker 3: Like that broad Why God, wait, that's really stressful because
Speaker 3: if you're auditioning, that's why mass and then he comes,
Speaker 3: then you're then you're like, fuck, I gotta stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's why the Pacific or whatever. It was
Speaker 4: like some work and he's like, oh, very fantastic.
Speaker 2: Your extra marine that night.
Speaker 3: Were like, I've never seen this before.
Speaker 4: All the play You're not You're a child.
Speaker 1: You changed the playbill to reflect your deep admiration for this.
Speaker 4: I'm having like John and Lea are having sex on stage.
Speaker 4: I'm like.
Speaker 3: In the hole? Yeah, like what the is?
Speaker 4: I will never forget those.
Speaker 5: Spielberg did have a cast recording in his hand, and
Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, oh, that's okay.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, I picked one up at the box.
Speaker 4: I was like, we could have got you one, like
Speaker 4: it have to pay like it was. I thought it
Speaker 4: was very he liked with his own Spielberg money, which
Speaker 4: of course he has plenty of, but you know, there's
Speaker 4: so many resources to get that to him without him
Speaker 4: waiting in line amongst you know. I thought that was
Speaker 4: very cool and like, well, we.
Speaker 2: All loved it, We really, really really all loved it.
Speaker 1: But I think but I did think about that because
Speaker 1: I always want to know. And I remember doing a
Speaker 1: show and someone said I don't like to know, and
Speaker 1: someone spilled the beans and they were like, Robert de
Speaker 1: Niro's here tonight and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: I don't even know that I'll remember how to act.
Speaker 3: I would not want to know.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing.
Speaker 5: Our show was lit in a certain way, especially during
Speaker 5: the scenes where you could see the first like five rows,
Speaker 5: and they always sat the famous people in the exact
Speaker 5: same seat, so you'd be it's tough man seats, it's
Speaker 5: like fifth row on the So I used to play
Speaker 5: piano when I would have my back turned, I was
Speaker 5: in the back of the stage, and then I would
Speaker 5: always pop out and there'd be a big like light
Speaker 5: on my face and I would say one of my
Speaker 5: first solos. And that was always when I kind of
Speaker 5: got like to take inventory, and I'd be like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, it's Tarah Banks, or like oh my god,
Speaker 5: it's Stephen Sondheim, or like, oh my god, it's like
Speaker 5: my favorite player on the Knicks or whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, in that case, i'd want to know, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like a jump out. Then I don't want to be
Speaker 3: like woa, whoa, whoa. That's how I feel internally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Totally, especially playing piano, being like I can't believe the
Speaker 4: piano man is watching me play piano, right, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So obviously you clearly started on the younger side. But
Speaker 1: I have a question because I think that this is
Speaker 1: like a moment in all performers lives where it's like,
Speaker 1: you want to do it, you see it, you want
Speaker 1: to be on stage, you want to act, you want
Speaker 1: to sing. Clearly you developed your talent, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: When did you think that it was actually possible?
Speaker 1: Like, when was the moment you were like, Okay, I've
Speaker 1: wanted to do this, I want to do this.
Speaker 2: But like I actually might be able to do this.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, Because don't you feel like Broadways more competitive than
Speaker 3: like getting a job on a TV show.
Speaker 2: No, it's of and hard.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's harder because I think there are
Speaker 3: less roles.
Speaker 5: I think it depends on who you ask and what
Speaker 5: their skill set is. I I never imagined.
Speaker 4: My life like I know after I started acting. I
Speaker 4: never imagined anything for myself.
Speaker 5: Other than theater. I didn't even think TV or film.
Speaker 5: It wasn't even I just I was only wanted to
Speaker 5: be on stage.
Speaker 4: So like to me, the dream was to make it
Speaker 4: on Broadway or and I would have done anything. I
Speaker 4: would have done the smallest part. It was only after
Speaker 4: Spring Awakening.
Speaker 5: Actually, when I would just now get these opportunities to
Speaker 5: audition for things, I'm like, sure, I guess I'll try it.
Speaker 5: And then I was lucky enough to book a movie,
Speaker 5: which like led to many other things. But I think
Speaker 5: so to me, it kind of happened really fast when
Speaker 5: I was on stage, and I think it was like
Speaker 5: my third or fourth musical because I started when I
Speaker 5: was like thirteen or fourteen, and then it just my
Speaker 5: life at a full one a from like sports and
Speaker 5: stuff to and like playing a bit of piano and
Speaker 5: singing like for friends, to like whoa.
Speaker 4: I actually had the courage to do it, and then
Speaker 4: I was super briitten by the bug and I just
Speaker 4: loved it so much. And I didn't know if necessarily
Speaker 4: I was going to do it like super professionally or
Speaker 4: even on Broadway, but I just knew I wanted to
Speaker 4: be on stage, like and hopefully in some sort of
Speaker 4: a setting where I can like put food on the
Speaker 4: table while do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when did you start taking like singing lessons
Speaker 3: and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: I started taking piano lessons pretty early, but I then
Speaker 5: learned when I was like thirteen fourteen, I was totally
Speaker 5: like taught the wrong way.
Speaker 4: I didn't learn any piano.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't learn any theory, which is like the language.
Speaker 5: I just kind of like learned the notes on like
Speaker 5: one scale, and then would like I would compete in
Speaker 5: these classical music competitions, and it's crazy because I would
Speaker 5: like know how to read the music and work on
Speaker 5: a piece for a very long period of time, but
Speaker 5: I actually didn't know what the hell I was doing,
Speaker 5: like playing. It's very difficult to describe going to this
Speaker 5: teacher because I would be a lot better piano player
Speaker 5: than I am today.
Speaker 4: But then I just started.
Speaker 5: I started kind of like singing at those recitals, Like
Speaker 5: I would do like the Friends theme at my recital.
Speaker 4: I'm that guy, just like no one to like, like
Speaker 4: I was really doing theme songs at a piano recital.
Speaker 3: But you didn't get singing lessons until later in life,
Speaker 3: like like.
Speaker 4: Fourteen, I went to this woman, Dixie Johnson, who was
Speaker 4: like an opera person, and I learned a bit of
Speaker 4: technique there.
Speaker 2: And did you ever go to Eric Vitro?
Speaker 4: I have been to Eric. Yeah, is that who.
Speaker 3: Trained you for the musical episode Jessica? Jessica, we did it.
Speaker 3: Skyler We did a musical episode grays Anatomy and Jessica
Speaker 3: had a single line, but I think she trained really hard.
Speaker 4: Do you recall that that line was Yes.
Speaker 1: We had a musical episode for grays Anatomy and Camilla
Speaker 1: was pointing out that when my musical talents were assessed,
Speaker 1: I was given one line.
Speaker 4: And you nailed that line.
Speaker 2: I hope I did.
Speaker 3: I hope I did. Do you still get nervous when
Speaker 3: you go on stage or is that done for you?
Speaker 4: I get, like I always get kind of by the
Speaker 4: time I'm going on I'm ready to go. There's always
Speaker 4: like a moment before I start rehearsals or something where
Speaker 4: I'm like do I know how to do this? Or like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's in two weeks, like two weeks
Speaker 4: from like literally under two weeks from today, I will
Speaker 4: be at the Hollywood Bowl doing this like Big Blame
Speaker 4: is Missigon thing, and I still don't know the words
Speaker 4: for like a couple of my songs. It's this moment
Speaker 4: where I'm a little nervous, but.
Speaker 5: By the time I get there and like learn everything,
Speaker 5: it'll be more like excited and more.
Speaker 4: Not all I'm doing well. So it's it's this really great. Uh.
Speaker 5: It's like a celebration of the writers of Lamez and
Speaker 5: miss Igon. So we're doing a bunch of songs from
Speaker 5: a bunch of different shows of theirs, and I'm doing
Speaker 5: a lot of the big It's crazy actually because I'm
Speaker 5: doing like a song called bring Them Home, which is
Speaker 5: a very popular song from me song, but I'm also
Speaker 5: doing like one.
Speaker 4: I'm also playing.
Speaker 5: Like two characters at the same time in some of
Speaker 5: the group songs because there's only like excepts, so we're
Speaker 5: like divvying them up, and I'm just like, basically.
Speaker 3: You're basically doing it all kind of.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm the Hollywood Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing a whole lot of it.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: The Holly Bowl is one of my favorite places in
Speaker 1: the whole world. I think that if you're just standing
Speaker 1: up there, you'll feel great, I hope.
Speaker 4: So I've done it before. I've done the Hollyball. I've
Speaker 4: been lucky enough to do three things there. So I'm
Speaker 4: now return.
Speaker 3: Something with Chris Carmack.
Speaker 4: Isn't that how Yeah?
Speaker 3: What did you do again?
Speaker 4: He seems to do? Oh yeah, he was so incredible.
Speaker 4: Into the Woods, Into the Woods, Yeah, he played Prince
Speaker 4: and he was so funny. I played the Baker.
Speaker 5: It was a really great cast and the original Millie
Speaker 5: Sutton Foster was my wife in it. And then Amazing,
Speaker 5: he's incredible, amazing. A lot of that cast, like Sutton
Speaker 5: and this woman's here at Bougus and Patty Lapone and myself.
Speaker 5: We did like a celebration of Stephen Sondheim, so I
Speaker 5: got to do a lot of like some of my
Speaker 5: favorite Sonheim songs ever at the Hollywood Bowl. So I've
Speaker 5: they they they they cross a lot off my bucket list.
Speaker 5: And now I'm playing Jean Valjean, which I'll never do
Speaker 5: anywhere else. So pretty insane that I get to do
Speaker 5: it there.
Speaker 2: That's insaneciting.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're in Los Angeles now, but you do
Speaker 1: often come. So I'm in New York, Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: That's from my fas.
Speaker 3: That's what your family is. Los Angeles, No, no, no, New York,
Speaker 3: New York. It is a little bit of a competition
Speaker 3: between us Skuyler, which a little bit.
Speaker 4: More well, I can level the playing Fiel because I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm getting a lot of blah blah blah
Speaker 4: energy from Capshaw regarding our friendship and relationship, but how
Speaker 4: much she mentioned you when you were not around during
Speaker 4: the grades. Her bestie wants to back. There was one
Speaker 4: day where you.
Speaker 5: Pulled up to the lot and I kind of like
Speaker 5: faded into the back. I think we like kind of
Speaker 5: mett he like hi, but it was like there was
Speaker 5: no room for anything else. There was a lot of
Speaker 5: hugging and love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the day that you snuck on
Speaker 3: and I quickly ran out of the seat.
Speaker 1: I was like, bye, Skyler, Oh my gosh, I know
Speaker 1: actually you know what, But I think back on the
Speaker 1: day that was because we hadn't seen each other like
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you went from Grays and you went to So
Speaker 3: help you Todd. You were you are auditioning for that
Speaker 3: when you were on the show with me, and then
Speaker 3: you got it so annoying and you had to leave
Speaker 3: me and and the show was super popular. So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be perfectly honest. I was very very shocked when
Speaker 3: you guys got canceled. Although in this environment, it's happening
Speaker 3: to so many shows. But I know that fans really
Speaker 3: love that show and so anyone listening that was watching it,
Speaker 3: are you able to say how it would have ended,
Speaker 3: And do you have a different way you wish it
Speaker 3: would have ended?
Speaker 5: I know how it was always supposed to end, and
Speaker 5: it pains me to kind of say it because I
Speaker 5: really wanted to play it out and I didn't even
Speaker 5: tell like my family and people like that, because I
Speaker 5: thought it was really poetic. But it was supposed to
Speaker 5: end with Todd having his own.
Speaker 3: Child, and oh, that's good.
Speaker 4: Finally understanding the relationship with your mom, mother and son
Speaker 4: and parent and child. And it was supposed to shed
Speaker 4: some light and I won't say with the last lines
Speaker 4: of the series work, but basically there was supposed to
Speaker 4: be a tie in of Todd becoming a father.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome. Is that how you would have wanted
Speaker 3: it to end to anyway?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the series could have ended that way.
Speaker 4: There's so much there's so much like in.
Speaker 5: Between that though that I know was supposed to happen
Speaker 5: that I was really more excited about, not more excited
Speaker 5: about just that the fun along the way, of course,
Speaker 5: the finish line's fun. But like my character used to disguise,
Speaker 5: not disguise himself fully, but like playing other characters, which
Speaker 5: I loved as an actor to be able to just
Speaker 5: like slip in and pretend to be somebody else and do.
Speaker 4: A poor job too.
Speaker 5: So the audience was always kind of in on the joke,
Speaker 5: which I loved, and some great actors and actresses. There
Speaker 5: was a flashback episode that I pitched to the to
Speaker 5: the creator that we were going to do and see three.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of episode ideas and characters we were
Speaker 4: going to like have.
Speaker 5: I had a bunch of love interests on the show,
Speaker 5: and then there was this whole episode where they were
Speaker 5: all supposed to kind of like show up and there
Speaker 5: was some great interplay amongst them and just you know,
Speaker 5: you know how it is when like something goes unfinished
Speaker 5: and you're like, but.
Speaker 4: We had so much more to say. I know it
Speaker 4: started and it was very successful too.
Speaker 3: So but it was really successful because you guys were
Speaker 3: on at the same time, so help me. Todd was
Speaker 3: on the same time exactly Thursday nights is Gray's Anatomy.
Speaker 3: So what I wanted to do was promote the show
Speaker 3: for Skylie because I love him, and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: definitely can't it's on a rival network. And then I
Speaker 3: would like look at the numbers on like damn they're
Speaker 3: doing really good in that time slot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, I guess it was just one of
Speaker 5: those things where, you know, they had a bunch of
Speaker 5: shows coming in from past the strike that needed real estate,
Speaker 5: and they weren't really none of their shows were doing
Speaker 5: bad or even the Yeah it's an average. They're very
Speaker 5: successful over there, and so we just they were like,
Speaker 5: you know, and I got the news saying like any
Speaker 5: other year, you know, it would have it would have
Speaker 5: been renewed, and so heartbreaking and I believe.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah that's totally true.
Speaker 5: Oh good to me over there at CBS. So I
Speaker 5: know it was a difficult decision. It doesn't make it
Speaker 5: much easier to digest because it's like it almost would
Speaker 5: be easier if it's almost like going a break up
Speaker 5: when you're like I wish you were.
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, and that we want to we want this
Speaker 6: to just just for some reason, the timing isn't right
Speaker 6: in this one moment, and so that's kind of what
Speaker 6: happened there.
Speaker 2: I always feel like when when there really is.
Speaker 1: Like a real excitement and a connection to something that
Speaker 1: you're working on and you find out that that that's
Speaker 1: going to stop or that's going to end, it's sort
Speaker 1: of I say this all the time, so sorry for
Speaker 1: everyone who hears me say it all the time. But
Speaker 1: there's like that moment where you have to feel it,
Speaker 1: you have to process it and all that, and then
Speaker 1: you do have to kind of hit that reset button
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, so now, like what do I want?
Speaker 1: And how does what I want match up with what
Speaker 1: wants me? And because nobody wants to live in that
Speaker 1: kind of disappointment or pain obviously in perpetuity, right, and
Speaker 1: you have all these incredible things that are happening, and
Speaker 1: you can so easily dip into so many things because
Speaker 1: you are so multi talented in so far as you
Speaker 1: see things and what you want. Is there some Is
Speaker 1: there something that you've really been thinking about wanting to do,
Speaker 1: or that you haven't done, or the calls to you
Speaker 1: or in any kind of way you have like in
Speaker 1: the back of your mind right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's there's a bunch there's.
Speaker 2: To manifest it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love something really big on Broadway, not even like
Speaker 5: large scale, just like something that's big for me, like
Speaker 5: as an actor, just something that is maybe a new
Speaker 5: original show or revival of one of my favorites I
Speaker 5: feel ripe for, like a Broadway return, And then as
Speaker 5: far as like things I've done in the past, like
Speaker 5: movie musicals or TV musicals, it'd be fun to do
Speaker 5: some sort of like a movie musical that was large
Speaker 5: in scale, like a Wicked or something like that. Because
Speaker 5: I think I've done some fun different stuff and some big,
Speaker 5: some small, some in between. I just think it would
Speaker 5: be really fun to do something like and scale. Not
Speaker 5: to say I just want to be in some big
Speaker 5: Hollywood movie what actor doesn't, But I think it'll be
Speaker 5: really cool to do something that is.
Speaker 4: Like that kind of you know, not not even a
Speaker 4: biopic like Bohemian Rhapsody, but something that feels kind of
Speaker 4: big in scale like that where I could really lend
Speaker 4: my voice and maybe that's honestly animated big in scale.
Speaker 4: I just think it's fun to be a part of
Speaker 4: something and and and lend every every bit of myself
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in the MoMA Mia two giant
Speaker 1: dance boat scenes somewhere in the Mediterranean that looks so
Speaker 1: much fun, and they're out there and talk about with
Speaker 1: abandon and just I mean all the things. I can
Speaker 1: totally see that for you, and evidently now for me,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: Like to also be on the boat.
Speaker 4: I'm also mister manifest. I'll tell you to I'll call
Speaker 4: my shot two other shots, Okay. I also want another
Speaker 4: series because I love the consistency of the work. I
Speaker 4: no shit love it. And I'm not just talking about
Speaker 4: the consistency of a paycheck though that's that's not a
Speaker 4: bad thing either, But I just I do love taking
Speaker 4: a character at the distance. It's really fun to kind
Speaker 4: of like see what they're doing and just kind of
Speaker 4: keep going, and especially if it's a character you love
Speaker 4: and really resonate with. It's like one of my favorite things.
Speaker 5: And then a huge goal of mine, and I've come
Speaker 5: very close to this before, is making something like producing
Speaker 5: something myself. I've written a lot and I've come close
Speaker 5: to getting those things made and may happen sooner than later,
Speaker 5: but it's something that I when I'm on set, i
Speaker 5: feel like I'm very in tune to a lot of
Speaker 5: the different departments. I like appreciate everyone involved, and I
Speaker 5: feel like I feel like I could do. I feel
Speaker 5: like I'm one of those who could. Like my friend
Speaker 5: Rachel Bloom, she did crazy ex girlfriend and while it
Speaker 5: seemed exhausting and like she was wearing so many hats,
Speaker 5: I was like, I think I'm.
Speaker 4: Just the psychopath to give this a shot as well.
Speaker 4: So maybe one.
Speaker 3: Day I want to do a romantic comedy Skuyler, can
Speaker 3: we do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Tomorrow, Yep, I love it.
Speaker 3: Okay, we teased you out, we teased you to the listeners,
Speaker 3: and the first question we got is we got a
Speaker 3: lot of this pitch perfect four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the world in which.
Speaker 3: That will ever happen? Could it happen? Would you want
Speaker 3: it to happen? All the things I.
Speaker 5: Can't wait till I'm doing like an interview when I'm
Speaker 5: seventy eight, god willing.
Speaker 3: Everyone asks you this, but listen, this is how much
Speaker 3: it resonated with the audiences.
Speaker 4: You know, And I have a very very consistent answer,
Speaker 4: because it's the truth. I would do it in a second,
Speaker 4: like I love it. There's no mystery on my part.
Speaker 4: I love doing it. I'm so grateful for everything it
Speaker 4: brought me, for the friendships and the fans that it
Speaker 4: brought me. It's wild.
Speaker 5: I'd like been stopped by you know, kids of all ages,
Speaker 5: and they continue to kids that are eight years old
Speaker 5: and I'm like, you were negative three when this came out, you.
Speaker 4: Know, So it's it's cool now that it that people
Speaker 4: show it to their kids, and.
Speaker 5: So, Yeah, I also think that while I would do
Speaker 5: it if they called me tomorrow, time is also on
Speaker 5: our side a little bit.
Speaker 4: I mean, depending on how.
Speaker 5: Much more you know, space they want to give in
Speaker 5: between the movies, make us older, make it a reunion, however,
Speaker 5: they would want to do it, but just to get
Speaker 5: that group together, I'm sure it would be. It would
Speaker 5: be difficult just because everyone's so busy and it's fantastic careers.
Speaker 5: But I think everyone has a very special special place
Speaker 5: in their heart for that movie.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to go back to something that happened
Speaker 1: a couple episodes ago, and we knew you were going
Speaker 1: to come on, and I remember Kimla being like.
Speaker 2: We've got to ask this.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I didn't know you yet, so
Speaker 1: now I'm like, yeah, I got to ask you this.
Speaker 1: We had a fan we had a fan question in
Speaker 1: and the question and the question was do you think
Speaker 1: that men and women can be only friends?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I have many friends that are female.
Speaker 3: Really think about it, Sky, It's not that tricky.
Speaker 4: I have so many friends that are that I've never no.
Speaker 3: Okay, hang on, Okay, we're gonna get into detail a
Speaker 3: little bit. Okay, here's the thing. Do you think that
Speaker 3: men and women can be friends where not where like
Speaker 3: you know, they never hook up, but like we're where
Speaker 3: it's common that one person does not end up developing
Speaker 3: feelings for the other person, especially if they're both single,
Speaker 3: like and we're not talking like you're a buddy. It's
Speaker 3: like you can go to the movie together, you can
Speaker 3: go to dinner together, you can go to lunch like
Speaker 3: same as you with guy friends, girlfriends, and it's common
Speaker 3: that people just stay platonically interested in each other.
Speaker 4: Look, I think, I'm sure it happens where one can
Speaker 4: develop feelings, and I've definitely been on both sides of that.
Speaker 4: But I've also been able to have my friend Lee
Speaker 4: Gerbert is one of them who's a dear friend of mine,
Speaker 4: and we could be single or not single, and she's
Speaker 4: just like a well, I also develop very like familial
Speaker 4: relationships with people, so like I do consider people like
Speaker 4: like my brother or a cousin or like my one
Speaker 4: of my closest friends, Jess Jollis who's married to one
Speaker 4: of my best friends, but like we have our own relationship.
Speaker 4: I actually married them.
Speaker 3: Like I yeah, ordained the wedding.
Speaker 5: That was ordained, like and I think the big reason
Speaker 5: why they asked me to do that was because I'm
Speaker 5: like equally their friends, like I will shed and weirdly enough,
Speaker 5: maybe this is just more for their marriage. But like
Speaker 5: the she he's not the guy that's going to go
Speaker 5: to world market and like smell all the candles with her,
Speaker 5: and I am for sure that guy and like even single,
Speaker 5: like I'm like.
Speaker 4: Oh, she's like can we go to the container store?
Speaker 4: We please go to the container store. Danny will not go,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, can you organize my closet? I mean,
Speaker 4: And yeah, maybe there's like maybe there is that kind
Speaker 4: of feeling of like oh my god, it's like I
Speaker 4: wish I had a girlfriend to do that or like
Speaker 4: you know, but at the time, but I think I
Speaker 4: don't think it's I don't know, I've been like happy
Speaker 4: single and I've also been happy in relationships, So maybe
Speaker 4: that that you need to kind of becape yourself. Not
Speaker 4: to say that like I'm judging those who that happens too,
Speaker 4: because it's very natural, and again I've been on both
Speaker 4: sides of that, but I think that maybe in order
Speaker 4: to do that, you need to be a little like
Speaker 4: content with yourself at the time so you feel like
Speaker 4: you can have a healthy friendship and not cross that boundary.
Speaker 4: I also am somebody who like, when doing love scenes
Speaker 4: and when in those situations, make it a point to
Speaker 4: like not, you know, across that line, because I think
Speaker 4: it's like it's almost like asking somebody out when they're
Speaker 4: at work and it's like, hey, they're kind of they're
Speaker 4: kind of like being nice to you, and maybe they
Speaker 4: are flirting and maybe you are like supposed to be together,
Speaker 4: but you know what I mean, unless it's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 4: you don't want to put them in that position because
Speaker 4: like they're kind of behind the counter and are supposed
Speaker 4: to be nice and maybe you're mistaking that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, no, we got we got our guy answer, Jess,
Speaker 3: I got the guy. It was not what I was expecting. Skuyler.
Speaker 5: By the way, I think it's like they ask most guys.
Speaker 5: I asked to any guy, you're gonna get a different answer.
Speaker 5: I hope, I hope I'm representing good ones. But I
Speaker 5: don't think I'm representing all all men.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean our our answers were different. Jessica
Speaker 3: was like, I had so many guys that I was
Speaker 3: friends with in college, Like we're totally not into me.
Speaker 3: We we're just friends. And I'm like, let's call those
Speaker 3: guys because I think they might have a different story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and their wives like hate you permanently?
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Yeah, they have capshaw voodoodles.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we do have a Coraffean question.
Speaker 3: Oh, this one is giving me a true purchase. I
Speaker 3: don't I don't like this. I've been with my guy,
Speaker 3: my man for ten years. It will be eleven here
Speaker 3: pretty soon. There's no ring on my finger. He's known.
Speaker 3: I want to get capital letters known. No, NA, when
Speaker 3: do I just call it? We don't even live together.
Speaker 3: It's not going to happen, is it?
Speaker 4: He's known? What does that mean's? What was that known?
Speaker 3: That she wants to get married? Like it's a known thing.
Speaker 3: They've been together over a decade. They don't even live together.
Speaker 3: Is this a situation where she just needs to call
Speaker 3: it and move on? Is it going to happen? What's
Speaker 3: the guy perspective on this? Because girl perspective? Jess and
Speaker 3: I were texting last night. Really God.
Speaker 5: My one fan question to this fan would be like,
Speaker 5: is it known that this person doesn't want to get married,
Speaker 5: because I imagine you've talked about it in detail.
Speaker 4: I think that that is like something that needs to
Speaker 4: be kind of agreed on somewhat early, even if it's
Speaker 4: not coming around the corner. It's like, are you open
Speaker 4: to this because it's just like I'm hope, hopelessly or
Speaker 4: hopefully waiting. I think you know, but no, I mean
Speaker 4: I think like if I gun to my head, i'd say,
Speaker 4: a happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a weird feeling.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying and I'm not And I don't
Speaker 4: want to give bad advice, like you give that man
Speaker 4: an ultimatum, but I think like maybe if you've been
Speaker 4: with them, if you've been with this person for ten years,
Speaker 4: you just try to like have like one final super
Speaker 4: honest conversation that really doesn't feel ultimated me here where
Speaker 4: he's at, except that at face value, and either move
Speaker 4: on or keep going.
Speaker 1: I think that's such great advice. And I think when
Speaker 1: you have a relationship for that long, it can be
Speaker 1: so intimidating to get curious because you're like, exactly what
Speaker 1: you said. I should already know the answer this question,
Speaker 1: like he either does or doesn't, right, But now I'm
Speaker 1: in this relationship and now my whole heart is in
Speaker 1: this or I've set up this idea or I think
Speaker 1: this is going to happen, and now I actually have
Speaker 1: to act. I have to get curious, and that's so vulnerable,
Speaker 1: especially if you think that the answer might be no.
Speaker 2: And I think that ultimately.
Speaker 1: You got to go there because partnership and connection is
Speaker 1: about intimacy, and you don't have intimacy if you don't
Speaker 1: have if you're not sharing, and you're not getting curious
Speaker 1: and ready for the answers that you're going to like
Speaker 1: and the answers that you're maybe not gonna like, because
Speaker 1: you can get answers that you don't like and still
Speaker 1: move on, but you got to get some answers.
Speaker 5: You got to have some also, try this on precise.
Speaker 5: I really don't like to be someone who deals in absolutes.
Speaker 5: I like to even like the obvious answer here feels
Speaker 5: like girl, move on.
Speaker 4: But I try to like I'm a libra, so I
Speaker 4: like to like seey So I think that like when
Speaker 4: it comes to this if you are ten years in
Speaker 4: and you know, I don't want to take any credit
Speaker 4: away from us and our profession of giving these of
Speaker 4: giving this advice. If you're asking a podcast what you
Speaker 4: should do, you know, then like maybe you kind of
Speaker 4: know you're searching, and I've been in that place where
Speaker 4: you're searching for someone to just give you the answer
Speaker 4: because you deep down kind of know what the answer
Speaker 4: is and you're almost tapped out of asking friends even
Speaker 4: because they're like, how many times am I going to
Speaker 4: tell you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, it's so painful?
Speaker 4: It is. You should feel as comfortable as possible with
Speaker 4: your partner, especially if you've been with them for ten years,
Speaker 4: and so like maybe you just kind of rip off
Speaker 4: the band aid because either way, like it's an exercise
Speaker 4: for yourself and you're going to learn a lot about
Speaker 4: yourself and it's going to kind of be not just
Speaker 4: like a relief, but I think you're going to like
Speaker 4: kind of free yourself from the situation by by having
Speaker 4: that conversation. It's it's like a very palferable thing to do.
Speaker 3: I also feel like if you sometimes if you walk
Speaker 3: away and you're like, you know what, instinctually, I think
Speaker 3: that this isn't going to work. That person, if they
Speaker 3: really do want to be with you, they'll fight for you.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? You'll see in walking
Speaker 3: away what the answer is. And also, I just feel
Speaker 3: like you always as a girl, you have an instinct
Speaker 3: and I'm going to out myself a little bit in this.
Speaker 3: I the problem with having a conversation sometimes, even though
Speaker 3: I fully agree they should have a conversation, is that
Speaker 3: the other person is sometimes scared to say the truth.
Speaker 3: I've been in my twenties where I've been like, I
Speaker 3: just need a little more time before we move in,
Speaker 3: and I've known I don't want to move in. I
Speaker 3: just I don't know. I know I don't want to
Speaker 3: move in. You're not really the one, but I'm not
Speaker 3: sure what I want. And then I'm just kind of
Speaker 3: leading someone along, which sucks and I hate that I
Speaker 3: ever did that, But that's that's when I think you
Speaker 3: have to trust your own instinct because you kind of know,
Speaker 3: and if you break up and that person doesn't fight
Speaker 3: for you, then it's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yep, yep, I'm there.
Speaker 4: I just spung my gavel.
Speaker 1: Here's the question, and then we'll discuss Rachel writes in
Speaker 1: and she says, I am a fifth grade teacher, and
Speaker 1: the children are unwell. Ever since COVID, I've noticed particularly
Speaker 1: unhinged behavior. One of my students called me a quote
Speaker 1: certified D one dick writer.
Speaker 2: End quote. You can't make this up. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: it and call it what it is.
Speaker 3: Got what do you think a D one dick writer is?
Speaker 4: Well, oh, I didn't realize that they had.
Speaker 3: They got a certification for it.
Speaker 4: So the little that I know, I'm piecing it together.
Speaker 4: D one is like an athlete that's in a high
Speaker 4: tier of college.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh it's a division one.
Speaker 2: Yes, Division one.
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought it was dick one, like a D like,
Speaker 3: you're one dick writer certified high level.
Speaker 4: She might be, But I think that the implication here
Speaker 4: is that you're certified, meaning like you're a professional. It's
Speaker 4: meaning like, will you do this all the time and
Speaker 4: you are very good at it and do it mostly that.
Speaker 3: You're just you're good in bad like you're you're.
Speaker 2: So what's the dick writer part? Do you think that?
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 2: I actually, by the way, I did again, I did
Speaker 2: my research, so I have the answer.
Speaker 3: A dick writer I'm assuming you're writing dicks.
Speaker 4: What is the pointing for this? How are you speaking
Speaker 4: to not only adults, but your teachers. This is insane.
Speaker 4: My sister's a teachers.
Speaker 2: It's insane. It's absolutely insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well, that's what she's saying.
Speaker 1: She's saying there, and well, I actually have a friend
Speaker 1: also that's a teacher. And she said that the exercise
Speaker 1: of teaching adolescent boys is literally one of the most
Speaker 1: unhinging experiences that she has in her life ever, anywhere,
Speaker 1: and every single day of the week. She feels like
Speaker 1: if she turns her back when they start laughing, she's
Speaker 1: like taken back to being in the cafeteria.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my pants? Am I a certified do
Speaker 3: you racer? Yeah? Do you dick? Writer? Is a writer?
Speaker 4: And writer? Is that you're on top of your your
Speaker 4: your mounting dicks? No?
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is what I thought too. But I
Speaker 1: went to the teenagers and here's the answer.
Speaker 3: You went to Jena.
Speaker 1: I went to them, Oh god, if you say this,
Speaker 1: if you say that to my daughter, she literally like
Speaker 1: has a visceral reaction.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what any of that means. It
Speaker 4: does I just kind of figured out some gen Z
Speaker 4: stuff and apparently.
Speaker 3: I wait, what did you just say, though, hibbitty hibbity
Speaker 3: gibbitty skippity.
Speaker 4: I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's so many things on TikTok and Instagram like basically
Speaker 1: decoding language again. But here's the deal. A dick writer
Speaker 1: is not sexual. A dick writer is. A dick writer
Speaker 1: is someone who is like unctious or like insincerely suave,
Speaker 1: but like like keeps throwing on the compliments but they're
Speaker 1: not real and they're just like constantly like writing or dick.
Speaker 2: They're like, you're so great, You're so awesome.
Speaker 1: Ninem for dick writing would be also something called glazing,
Speaker 1: which you're constantly like and it's not rising up because
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a sexual connotation.
Speaker 3: It's just like your constantly.
Speaker 1: They constantly complimenting people, but it's not sincere and it's
Speaker 1: also just too much and it's very much a turnoff.
Speaker 4: Here's what I just heard from you, Capshaw. I just heard.
Speaker 4: So it's not planning, but we do that, which it's
Speaker 4: like you're speaking another legage. It's big leg.
Speaker 3: But blazing in a sentence though, is it like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're you've been glazing me recently, I.
Speaker 4: Think a very very sexual thing. When I heard glazing,
Speaker 4: I hear fair.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but it's a glazed dick. It's like a
Speaker 2: glaze dont dick.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like all the glaze and the dick and the
Speaker 2: writing and there's no way in the writing writing a
Speaker 2: glazed dick.
Speaker 4: Wait what if, Jenna? For the whole point of them is.
Speaker 5: To make us idiots be sexual stuff and it's not
Speaker 5: sexual at all.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, well I was glazing on a girl,
Speaker 4: amazing on a girl, I complimenting her. Yes, No, I'm
Speaker 4: talking about Richard Hampton, the famous author writing get your
Speaker 4: head out of the gutter.
Speaker 3: How do you make that phone call? Is it a
Speaker 3: phone call to the parents? Do you have to write
Speaker 3: certified d one dick writer in an email?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: You should. Is that the subject? Yeah? I just have
Speaker 3: to tell you that Bobby said certified d one dame
Speaker 3: writer to me in class and we had to google that.
Speaker 3: That's also blazed, Rachel.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. If no one said it today
Speaker 1: to you, I just want you to know that on
Speaker 1: this podcast, I am proud of you. I'm proud of
Speaker 1: you for for going every day and being a teacher and.
Speaker 2: Taking this ship.
Speaker 4: You are such a certified giving Rachel Flowers in this way.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here today and subject
Speaker 3: acting yourself to our podcast.
Speaker 4: I can do this all day. In fact, please have
Speaker 4: me back. We will decode more of the youth.
Speaker 3: You know what, if we get another question in this
Speaker 3: like this, we're literally you're going to be our number
Speaker 3: one call.
Speaker 4: I can hop right on.
Speaker 5: It was kind of like how they do on the news,
Speaker 5: like on the phone, but sky you.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: Other famous actor or author or someone or guests that
Speaker 5: we have on this podcast, We're.
Speaker 3: Going, yeah, sorry, that's you would be our correspondent.
Speaker 2: You've carved out your niche in our show.
Speaker 4: Right, let's do this against guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, we love it. We're gonna let you go and
Speaker 3: have an amazing day and and spread the word about
Speaker 3: the d One. Certified Dick Ride is for the masses.
Speaker 3: What's going down?
Speaker 1: Jon Altha, Okay, bye, by god, that was so much fun.
Speaker 3: He's so great the certified d like so he was
Speaker 3: so good at answering questions.
Speaker 2: It's connecting with the crew. It is it's.
Speaker 3: Connecting with the crew. Okay, that was incredible. I cannot
Speaker 3: wait to have him back for all the things in
Speaker 3: the future. Let's call this the end of the episode.