Speaker 1: This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at
Speaker 1: production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John and this
Speaker 1: is cut to it. Good do, good do. Let's getting
Speaker 1: down to do with good do it. We asked the
Speaker 1: questions you always want to know, but no one ever asked,
Speaker 1: let's cut to it. You heard them about it, then
Speaker 1: we're about to let you know. It's all. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. Just congratulate me on you know, we molly
Speaker 1: WAPs Oregon. I love like you saw the podcast. Congratulate me,
Speaker 1: congratulate me. So we got congratulate me in real quick.
Speaker 1: So of course we've got Steve, we got backstage joke,
Speaker 1: we've got special guests Jonathan Stewart. So he said. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, special guests. He ain't usually here.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I ain't gonna do that. That's gonna
Speaker 1: get you in trouble, get you canceled. So University of
Speaker 1: Oregon versus the University of Utah three years ago, we
Speaker 1: were one win away from being a team getting drug
Speaker 1: in the college playoffs. Foy leven million dollars. I'll take
Speaker 1: that dragon. But Oregon comes in with Justin Herbert and
Speaker 1: kills all of our dreams. Hence our under armour slash
Speaker 1: Utah slash d Smith tour stopped. I mean I couldn't
Speaker 1: even sign the paperwork before they even canceled it. It
Speaker 1: was like email stopped. It was like they sent it
Speaker 1: and then you know, right before undo. So we lose.
Speaker 1: Now we go up in you up in uh Eugene
Speaker 1: actually 'all came. Yeah, it was at our house. We
Speaker 1: beat him and they get a second helping. They said
Speaker 1: that that was so delicious. Can I get Can I
Speaker 1: take another? Come out there and we win and go
Speaker 1: to go to Vegas Alliance Stadium and pretty much drug y'all.
Speaker 1: It was. It was embarrassing. But here was a great
Speaker 1: part Utah in Vegas. It was so close that it was.
Speaker 1: They said it was a sea red everywhere. They had
Speaker 1: to uh, they had to have police shut down because
Speaker 1: you can walk from the Luxe ord Too Reliant Stadium
Speaker 1: and they had the police shut it down. So they
Speaker 1: were walking. They just said it was a sea red.
Speaker 1: It was like it's like a whole bunch of Caucasian
Speaker 1: and African American and all other gang members all in red.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. I gotta watch those Caucasian red games.
Speaker 1: You never know the boys ain't playing Caucasian. That got
Speaker 1: a lot to prove. Initiation is the charts ination off
Speaker 1: with his head. I'm surprised, man, you talking in Vegas,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't really expect a lot of you know them,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of jack Mormons go to Utah who
Speaker 1: like Christers. What is that? You don't know what the Chreaster?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what the Christian that goes
Speaker 1: to church only on Easter. Yeah, break that down for me, christer. Yes,
Speaker 1: I can see it. I can see a T shirt coming, christer.
Speaker 1: Are you a Creaster? Yeah, that sounds like a Christian
Speaker 1: that is that goes to church or Easter. Think about
Speaker 1: that a lot. If you go back in especially you
Speaker 1: would like to be being then being in the South.
Speaker 1: You gotta go back in your mind one some of
Speaker 1: the outfits for Easter. Oh you gotta break out the
Speaker 1: outfits now. But it's the only outfit and only time
Speaker 1: you go to church. Eight is you gotta have I've
Speaker 1: seen all that, all the pastoral colors. Of course, any
Speaker 1: time in the South, that's what you're gonna have so
Speaker 1: I gotta put on that Sunday best with Easton. I
Speaker 1: have no idea how we got here, but it's it's
Speaker 1: it's knit. So we're talking about that. And then so
Speaker 1: you know, because I said Jack Mormon. So so we
Speaker 1: go out there man and play well. Now we have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do some great things. I was texting
Speaker 1: with some Ohio State folk and one proceeds too. It
Speaker 1: was in a group text. One person who didn't even
Speaker 1: go to Ohio State proceeds and I could name call him.
Speaker 1: Oh no, this is Trey Boston who went to u
Speaker 1: n C. Chap b Hill. Now trade now tries to
Speaker 1: belittle the university. You I like, belittle better, Marcus, get
Speaker 1: over it belittle? Is you take it personal? Is that
Speaker 1: fair assessment? And so I took it personal? So I
Speaker 1: said several things, which is we went Utah has never
Speaker 1: been to the He said, has have you guys ever
Speaker 1: been to the Rose Bowl? Foo? You know that answer? No,
Speaker 1: we haven't. So I asked him a simple question. Here's
Speaker 1: the questions that I asked. One, has you don't see
Speaker 1: Chapel Hill been to the Sugar Bowl? Have they played
Speaker 1: Alabama in this time? He goes, what do you mean
Speaker 1: this time when you belittle me? I come back? So
Speaker 1: I asked him, did you play Alabama at any time before,
Speaker 1: say slavery was abolished? Hence his reply it was very derogatory.
Speaker 1: Now why am I having a conversation? Well, it was me.
Speaker 1: It's so Trey myself and and and and um um um, Kurt,
Speaker 1: like we have this thing on. We played golf and
Speaker 1: so now it's like this thing every time Ohio State
Speaker 1: does something right, Kurt. And then but yet I just
Speaker 1: noticed trade and evert you know, trade trade trade with
Speaker 1: you and uh, chapel Hill. So I just told trade
Speaker 1: is a basketball season, and then he just proceeded to
Speaker 1: but it's I'm looking forward to this. Uh you're saying,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the John Day? What do
Speaker 1: you think about this portal? We're talking about portal and
Speaker 1: you brought up a great thing to Geez. You said, man,
Speaker 1: it's portful. Basketball is bananas. Yeah, elaborate brother, I'm simply saying,
Speaker 1: and it probably filters over with football and basketball. But
Speaker 1: now then centive for guys to transfer now is it's different? Right,
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have that year. Um, it makes things
Speaker 1: a lot more competitive, and in my opinion and a
Speaker 1: lot of things that I've read, it makes it to
Speaker 1: where a lot of you you've seen a lot of coaches, huh,
Speaker 1: you can read, you can read very well public school. Um.
Speaker 1: And so you look at a lot of different coaches
Speaker 1: who have now gone on, whether it's Roy Williams coach
Speaker 1: K And I'm not saying that's the reason why they're transitioning,
Speaker 1: but the transfer portal has made the playing field so
Speaker 1: to speak, different now. Um And like I said, just
Speaker 1: because it's it's changing recruiting. So that's what we were
Speaker 1: the conversation that we were having before we started recording
Speaker 1: to where it's very instant football and basketball. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: so what do you if you were playing right now
Speaker 1: football based on what you experience at Oregon, would you
Speaker 1: have transferred. It's it's hard to say because I mean
Speaker 1: it's a culture and it's a whole different, Like like
Speaker 1: you said, playing field. You know, when we went to college,
Speaker 1: it was hey, your third string that find a way
Speaker 1: to be first string. Now the third string can go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. But now the third string can say, oh man,
Speaker 1: I ain't playing you promised you did. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to another school and complain, and possible I think he
Speaker 1: thinks he complain next year based on what they've been told.
Speaker 1: This is just going yeah yeah, but I don't think
Speaker 1: these kids understand that's a great It's like recruiting part too,
Speaker 1: while you're already in Yeah. Sometimes people transferred for various
Speaker 1: reasons that actually are legitimate, and then some just transferred
Speaker 1: because they aren't given or the opportunity that was taken
Speaker 1: away from them was part of they're doing. Think about
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks they're losing their losing their jobs. You
Speaker 1: don't lose your job because coach don't like you, right,
Speaker 1: You lost a job because you suck or you weren't
Speaker 1: as good as they like. You are a four star,
Speaker 1: but you played like a two star once the once
Speaker 1: the game's actually starting, there is a clearly define result,
Speaker 1: right And so because like I just think about two,
Speaker 1: I kind of look at it differently. The portal right now,
Speaker 1: First of all, there's like three in football, there's like
Speaker 1: three thousand, thirty six hundred. I made an add the
Speaker 1: six hundred. I don't know it. It kind of goes
Speaker 1: up and down football players in the portal right now
Speaker 1: there's not that many D one scholarship given schools, Like
Speaker 1: there are not thirty six hundred schools that have scholarships
Speaker 1: that that are waiting for you to quit in your
Speaker 1: situation and jump to enough another situation like supplying demand
Speaker 1: is economics. Unlike the government, we can't print new scholarships,
Speaker 1: and so like, I know, there's so many guys and
Speaker 1: you here, well, this guy's leaving. I think that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at transport portal portal as it's good for a
Speaker 1: bad situation, but I also think it exposes coaches and
Speaker 1: their program. There are some kids like nobody knows I
Speaker 1: believe Josh Gordon. I don't know exact actually how long
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon was at Utah. Did you know that that's
Speaker 1: how long he was there for various reasons. I'm not
Speaker 1: getting into and don't really care, and it's not about Josh.
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to say, there's so many guys
Speaker 1: that going to transport portal for maybe a different opportunity
Speaker 1: because yes, they made a mistake, or or they made
Speaker 1: a mistake by picking that school or what I think.
Speaker 1: Sometimes these college coaches will say sometimes everything anything to
Speaker 1: get you to commit and then you get there, like
Speaker 1: I told, I tell my boys. I told my boys,
Speaker 1: and I've had one and I'm about to go through
Speaker 1: it or my second one. You know, when you get recruited,
Speaker 1: I told him, listen, don't be fooled by the steak
Speaker 1: in lobster, because when you sign, brother's blown in and
Speaker 1: ham cheese, ham cheese, sounnges that you're getting, you getting
Speaker 1: the best on this recruiting trip. They're gonna pick you
Speaker 1: up in a nice car. They don't take you to
Speaker 1: a nice restaurant. You're gonna get good food. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be at the other alumni and you're gonna have steaks
Speaker 1: mashed potatoes. But one of your meals pretty soon after
Speaker 1: the second meal, it ain't gonna be as good as
Speaker 1: you think it's. It ain't home cooking is nowhere close
Speaker 1: to me. We gotta watch for the hook. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: these kids don't understand that. They think they really think yes,
Speaker 1: And I think who I mean, everybody everybody high school? Hey,
Speaker 1: you like it's I have I have a rid, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And and now what's happening with
Speaker 1: this portal you're giving these kids kind of you know,
Speaker 1: a way out, but for the kids that needed it.
Speaker 1: But then there's the kids the majority on it. For
Speaker 1: the entitlement piece of what you're saying. Man, I don't
Speaker 1: need y'all. Like I'm tired of you coach always down,
Speaker 1: you know, back, trying to tell me that I'm doing
Speaker 1: things wrong. You have those you said, you have those kids,
Speaker 1: and then they just go to the transport. Right. I
Speaker 1: think they even got apps now out there for coaches
Speaker 1: that say, Okay, you aren't you're not playing well, Bobby,
Speaker 1: Bobby Jones in Alabama. This is this is how he's
Speaker 1: been playing. He's in this transport. I'm gonna get him here.
Speaker 1: They got three We got three guys, just three individuals,
Speaker 1: and their job is to watch the transfer part. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: and I think that is I'm glad you giving three
Speaker 1: people a job. However, I think we're sentivizing the wrong
Speaker 1: people because our our last transfer guy, our quarterback at Utah,
Speaker 1: he left because he and want the competition, because he
Speaker 1: lost his job. That's left. Yeah. I don't want to
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like I'm exaggerating, but I believe
Speaker 1: like middle to night, you know, dropped out of school
Speaker 1: and he's gone, I'm out of here. No, no, thank you,
Speaker 1: no appreciate it. I mean, I guess he's probably getting
Speaker 1: wooed over by other guys, other people, you know, to
Speaker 1: go play for their organization because you know you talk,
Speaker 1: did you wrong? We're just in the Rows Bowl, all right?
Speaker 1: Where do you think that sends to? What message does
Speaker 1: that send to like professional coaches, scouts? Like you think
Speaker 1: people are looking at that as you know, this player
Speaker 1: did this, and that's an unbelievable that's an unbelievable segue.
Speaker 1: And this is probably why he's gonna run on Friday.
Speaker 1: He leads me to believe, kind of like the Carolina
Speaker 1: Panthers right now, where you start to do some things
Speaker 1: and allow things to happen, and then so you're going
Speaker 1: to let go of your coordinator, which probably need to
Speaker 1: let But then now I watched the game just this
Speaker 1: past Sunday against Atlanta Falcons, and the same woes from
Speaker 1: the games before seem to be the same woes now.
Speaker 1: So that and and you hear about the new coordinator.
Speaker 1: He says, this isn't my offense. So if this isn't
Speaker 1: the offense and the guy's no longer here is an
Speaker 1: offense that tells me that actually he's running Coach Rules
Speaker 1: Baylor's offense, because you can't tell me this is the
Speaker 1: same offense that Joe Brady ran an l shoot unless
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't Joe Brady's offense either. Maybe he was
Speaker 1: just a guy calling the plays and there was a
Speaker 1: collective group of people who said, hey, on first down,
Speaker 1: these are That's generally what offense coordinator does to something
Speaker 1: to say, he gets if you're smart, you get enough
Speaker 1: people around you, like Andy, Andy Reason has always had
Speaker 1: a number of guys around him. They're going to get
Speaker 1: other jobs, do other things, but you have enough smart
Speaker 1: people around you that they contribute to the team's success.
Speaker 1: Matt Naggie was on that Stag could contribute. Now, he
Speaker 1: may not be good on his own, but he's great
Speaker 1: as part of that tree. Part of that tree. Doug Peterson,
Speaker 1: Frank Wright, Marty Morty Wig like all these guys guys
Speaker 1: that can comment. So you have if you have enough
Speaker 1: of those people around you. And then so when Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson goes to the Eagles, what happens. He brings mac Naggi,
Speaker 1: he brings Frank Right, Frank Wright goes to be the
Speaker 1: head coach who actually called plays. Look what the culture
Speaker 1: door man Naggi who had has never called plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So are you saying that's what's that's what's missing. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying what's missing is here if I just keep
Speaker 1: it to Carolina, I believe is when you have a
Speaker 1: college coach running a professional team, it always will the
Speaker 1: college filter or lens that he coaches through well to
Speaker 1: some degree, until enough time takes learning a learning curve.
Speaker 1: You only can go. You only can go to what
Speaker 1: you have a good, a successful reference from, which is college.
Speaker 1: So some of that college stuff will be implemented in
Speaker 1: the pros. And I think some of it's good sometimes
Speaker 1: because it does. You know, we're growing in so you're
Speaker 1: kind of like, man, I'm not doing and you kind
Speaker 1: of you kind of push back on it. But some
Speaker 1: of it is good because it does, you know, professional
Speaker 1: professional football at times, and professional stuff can get so
Speaker 1: professional that you take the the innocent fun and kids
Speaker 1: stuff out of it. When you're in college, you're going
Speaker 1: to the movie East as a team. Man, that's a
Speaker 1: free movie. I ain't got to pay for it. I
Speaker 1: get free popcorn. Let's do it. When you're adults, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, and I got my own damn theater room.
Speaker 1: I don't need no you know, I want to go home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to watch Frozen with my kids. I want
Speaker 1: to watch this show. Right. But so, and when you
Speaker 1: have fifty three guys, that's gonna happen. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: people that just are trying to buck the system because
Speaker 1: they have everybody has their own motives. But when I
Speaker 1: look at Carolina right now and watching how they play,
Speaker 1: you have both quarterbacks come in at different times, different
Speaker 1: facets of the game, and they both do the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, turn the ball over? Right? How does an
Speaker 1: offense consistency when you got that, you can't find constituency
Speaker 1: because there's never been any offensive constituency this year. And
Speaker 1: then I think consistency also too. From the player's downpoint,
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to trust what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing. You know, it's the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season. You're hearing, you know, ra ra ra
Speaker 1: week four, ra ra ra. Okay, maybe this is maybe
Speaker 1: next week be different. After a while that ra ra ra,
Speaker 1: it gets toned done, and I think all messages get here.
Speaker 1: Here's here's a crazy thing about Mike Tomlin, and you're
Speaker 1: starting to see it a little bit in Seattle. Mike
Speaker 1: Thomas fifteen years in, he's had turnover, but not as
Speaker 1: much turnover that Um like Pete Um. Yeah, Pete Carroll's had.
Speaker 1: But here Caroline like that rab rock stuff. The two
Speaker 1: college coaches right now that are struggling to connect with
Speaker 1: the players and fan base for a winning formula. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that Coach Rule doesn't connect with the players.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. What I am saying, though, is
Speaker 1: you got to connect with the players to win games,
Speaker 1: to elevate. The two college coaches right now, Coach Urban
Speaker 1: Myers and Coach Rule are not connecting with their players
Speaker 1: or coaches in a way that equals up to win.
Speaker 1: He's connecting, right. You can be in a you can
Speaker 1: be in a relationship and be having and have an
Speaker 1: off day and still connect. Right. The connectivity may not
Speaker 1: be good, but you're connected because you're you may be arguing,
Speaker 1: you may be talking. You know that it's a it's walky,
Speaker 1: but in football you gotta have a connection. And I
Speaker 1: also believe he is one of the biggest issues that
Speaker 1: college coaches always have in the first couple of years.
Speaker 1: They always struggle. Is because in college today, you can
Speaker 1: have a ABC one to three simple system, but if
Speaker 1: you get enough five star recruits, you don't outsmart your opponent,
Speaker 1: you out athletic them. Okay, that's what Alabama does at times.
Speaker 1: But they have a fantastic coach who understand the system
Speaker 1: right they they have. You've seen Ohio State, You've seen
Speaker 1: that all these big schools. But you also notice at
Speaker 1: these big schools when these players go to the league,
Speaker 1: they struggle a little bit sometimes because now that little
Speaker 1: lazy ass route that they ran does not work in
Speaker 1: the league. The corner you're running against is just as
Speaker 1: fast or maybe fast and knows Rose knows that go
Speaker 1: route you're about to run already peep that out. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's why Chase, Uh, what's what's Chase last man?
Speaker 1: I forgot for Cincinnati Bankers. Jama jamaar Chase. That's why
Speaker 1: he you see him here, have a good game that
Speaker 1: he'll disappear. I don't want him to turn into the
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool where you know he only has a few routes.
Speaker 1: And I think Chase can be a really dynamic receiver.
Speaker 1: But he gotta get he gotta get more tools in
Speaker 1: his tool belt, man, because he reached it for his
Speaker 1: he reaches for his tools. That boy got a screwdriver
Speaker 1: and a screw driver with these college coaches right, because
Speaker 1: they're not really you know, they don't have all the tools. Right.
Speaker 1: So you get to the league. You're a college coach,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember that, can I get a formula someone
Speaker 1: that's been there before on my coaching that that has
Speaker 1: been there before, that I can Most most coaches won't
Speaker 1: have that. That's you mean coaches that are coming from
Speaker 1: the college coach. Only coaches that are coming from college
Speaker 1: that will have pro type of staff members have played
Speaker 1: for that player for that coach and now he was
Speaker 1: assistant league or worked for him. He knows him because
Speaker 1: he can't be undermined by a guy that knows how
Speaker 1: the league works and he trusts him. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: that college that that college player that maybe it's coaching
Speaker 1: now on the team, right and coach for me went
Speaker 1: on another team comes back. He's a defense coordinator. Well,
Speaker 1: he he knows where his he knows where his cash
Speaker 1: cow is. His head coach. He's not gonna go when
Speaker 1: they say, man, what's problem? He's not gonna go. You
Speaker 1: know this dude don't know what he's doing. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: I got all my answers, questions. Um, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: all my questions answered. That's what I'm here for, a brother,
Speaker 1: cut to a podcast dot com. So as I mean,
Speaker 1: both of you, all formal players, what's the what's the
Speaker 1: what's the key to success? Then? From you guys perspectives
Speaker 1: when it comes to college coaches making that transit, is
Speaker 1: it a relational thing, is it a is it a
Speaker 1: culture thing? Is it relational? They're gonna try to that
Speaker 1: with the kids with with that's where the disk I
Speaker 1: said it backers. That's the disconnect. The college coach will
Speaker 1: try to connect with the kids who happened to be
Speaker 1: men m And it doesn't go well. I can imagine
Speaker 1: because the because you know all his history goes. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm the head coach, So hey, guys, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna get up,
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this. This is what I expect. And
Speaker 1: the talk grown as man. Yeah, you're like, na, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I did the legs yesterday, I'm
Speaker 1: doing day especially I'm playing football. That is so small.
Speaker 1: But I get it though. You know, that's such a
Speaker 1: huge thing. Man. We had we they had a when
Speaker 1: I was in Baltimore, Man, they had they had a
Speaker 1: Jerry Simmons too, Bro, Jerry's and it says Jerry Simmons
Speaker 1: too is Jerry Simmons was our strength of conditioning coach
Speaker 1: in Carolina. When I went to UH Baltimore, they had
Speaker 1: a due named Bob who was short just and honree
Speaker 1: just like Jerry Steve. I've done my research on you,
Speaker 1: and you don't work out. You don't, Yeah I do.
Speaker 1: I don't do your workout, but I just work out.
Speaker 1: So let me tell you what I did. I did.
Speaker 1: I tell you about this on there about we stays
Speaker 1: to have tests every year. No, I don't think you
Speaker 1: mentioned this condition. Remember the test, remember Jack, So every
Speaker 1: off season there was like this inner squad testing slash
Speaker 1: like tests, but you didn't. You had to test to
Speaker 1: see because coach fox belief was if you weren't getting better,
Speaker 1: you're getting worse. So you know me being resident but
Speaker 1: hole right, you I know, shocker, I short that in
Speaker 1: my memory bank. I am an active listener, but I
Speaker 1: can do a really good job acting like I don't
Speaker 1: have the slightest idea what you're talking about. Right, It's
Speaker 1: a gift and a curse. So so we have this thing.
Speaker 1: So I remember, so you know, in case people don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm five nine when I played right, didn't grow, didn't
Speaker 1: get taller or shorter. That that's who I was. Now.
Speaker 1: We used to do this uh lifting challenge so you
Speaker 1: have to run forties uh guys with squat bench and
Speaker 1: vertical jump right unless do we talk about the vertical
Speaker 1: jump So people don't think I'm lying when I when
Speaker 1: he tells you how I used to do this test,
Speaker 1: it was such an excuse me, fuck you test. From
Speaker 1: my perspective, I never worked out with the team. I
Speaker 1: had a hundred and fifty thousand dollar workout about bonus
Speaker 1: gay I never I never worked out. The reason why
Speaker 1: is if I never worked out, that would if I
Speaker 1: worked out with the team, and my success would be
Speaker 1: predicated on MHM the strength coach who I didn't believe
Speaker 1: at that time. Now they switched over the house who
Speaker 1: happened to coach me and college. So he was awesome
Speaker 1: because he understood me. But so if I didn't work
Speaker 1: out with the team, that means you don't get benefit
Speaker 1: your strength coach. So if you don't get that benefit,
Speaker 1: and that means there's still a question mark. And I
Speaker 1: didn't agree with some of the things he would he
Speaker 1: would do, so UH forfeited that and also never resigned.
Speaker 1: I never took a pay cut because now you got
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars to add to your salary, so
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Don't ask me go down the
Speaker 1: street son to that lockerover So if you're not getting better,
Speaker 1: to get worse. So they had a bench. Now I struggled,
Speaker 1: uh later in my years to bench because I had
Speaker 1: to screw on this plate. So I actually can't I
Speaker 1: can't go all the way my wrist because I have
Speaker 1: a surgery. I have a bolt in my wrist, so
Speaker 1: it stops me. So that pressure actually like I can
Speaker 1: feel the pressure inside of my skin that it hurts.
Speaker 1: When you broke your arm against the giant. Yes right,
Speaker 1: let me tell you this man you tell us caught
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass, broke his arm. Remember it wasn't a
Speaker 1: Monday night game, like he know, that's when I broke
Speaker 1: my leg. That was the leg. I knew there was
Speaker 1: wrong item, but he'd be so juice, same team wrong
Speaker 1: like broke his arm, pushed himself off the ground with
Speaker 1: a broken and then look that is a but here
Speaker 1: because because when I used it to get up, I
Speaker 1: was like, from the wrist, from my hand to my
Speaker 1: elbow peculiar. From my hand to my elbow, wasn't peculiar.
Speaker 1: That brother wasn't moving. This is not a viagra. But
Speaker 1: I understand when you're when you're when you're trying to
Speaker 1: work something that don't work, but it should work. I
Speaker 1: was like, my arm is stuck, broke. I only hell,
Speaker 1: I only feel my elbow and my fingers everything else
Speaker 1: in the middle. I know it's there, I see it's there,
Speaker 1: but it ain't there. And I go back to the drilling.
Speaker 1: The rush you felt that thing of medium. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's what I said. Just it ain't right because a
Speaker 1: lot of times people say, oh, he's on such an
Speaker 1: a drilling rusting. Now you break some ship, you feel
Speaker 1: that it was immediate. Yeah. I was like, this ain't
Speaker 1: working right. So I go back to the sideline. No,
Speaker 1: boy's like, good job. I say, They're like, non, Stuart
Speaker 1: tell you I'm pretty self conscious of my body, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I broke more. Really you think so? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's why. That's why I can't do more.
Speaker 1: So I'm not really a heavy lifter and I can't
Speaker 1: be so I would start to do my I gotta
Speaker 1: do to five. So the first time I had my
Speaker 1: my goals, five makes your six? So bang, I go
Speaker 1: up there. So how I get to six? I go
Speaker 1: up there to boom one, two, three, four, I hit five.
Speaker 1: You're repping it. Five. I get to five. I go bam.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, what I have? Last year? Yeah? They
Speaker 1: said five? I said boom six. Yet to back up,
Speaker 1: just got better because coach said, if you're not getting better,
Speaker 1: getting worse, Well, last year I did five this year,
Speaker 1: I did six, So I just got what so I
Speaker 1: did that. I wouldn't do squats. I didn't believe in squats.
Speaker 1: So I'll pause right there and I go to Bob
Speaker 1: back in Baltimore. I heard you don't left. I do left.
Speaker 1: I just don't do so he says, all right. He
Speaker 1: kept trying to get me to come in and O
Speaker 1: t a's get me to come into practice. After practice.
Speaker 1: We we have a two hour practice. Union rules, no
Speaker 1: more than two hours. Coach hardball will go an hour,
Speaker 1: fifty nine minutes and fifty nine seconds. It wasn't no
Speaker 1: hour thirty one, an hour forty five, an hour fifty five.
Speaker 1: It was our fifty nine point fifty nine two hours
Speaker 1: and running around thirty something years old. I gotta reap
Speaker 1: ruled myself. If yo, dumbass Bob think I'm coming in
Speaker 1: there to lift after running around two hours and y'all
Speaker 1: know how to practice. I got on cut off sweatpants,
Speaker 1: long sleeve. I'm out there. Yes, I'm sweat. I'm an
Speaker 1: old man like I got the sweats, you know, and
Speaker 1: my high tops. Bro. They literally he said, man, well
Speaker 1: come on now, and so he kept giving me a
Speaker 1: zero of not showing up working out. I just didn't
Speaker 1: do the workout in the weight room. I'm not running
Speaker 1: around for two hours. He's all right, so let's come
Speaker 1: to a compromise. After two hours. You know what they
Speaker 1: want me to do? Hand cleans Dad lives after after practice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I looked at he said, well, let's walk around and
Speaker 1: see what you don't do. Okay, cool, So I have
Speaker 1: my chart. I don't do this. I ain't doing that.
Speaker 1: I don't do this, don't do this. Hell not nope,
Speaker 1: this was all stuff was What was the hell? No?
Speaker 1: Dad left lifts. I'm not dead lifted. Why someone someone's
Speaker 1: gonna listen to this and things? I'm I'm a huge
Speaker 1: component and questioning why there's Olympic lists and I'm with
Speaker 1: you on that. What is it? What does it prove? No,
Speaker 1: here's the compound movement. Here's I understand strength right because
Speaker 1: I had something, still got something a little bit and
Speaker 1: that's where I was getting ready to go. I understand
Speaker 1: what I what. I'm a proponent of its muscle and durance.
Speaker 1: I'm not on you. You squatted or you bench pressed
Speaker 1: seven hundred fifty pounds one time. There is there's not
Speaker 1: a there's not a seven hundred fifty pound dB that
Speaker 1: you're gonna go up. You what you just said, it's phenomenal,
Speaker 1: But let's dumb it down even more. There's seventy If
Speaker 1: I play seventy one place and I just blew my wad,
Speaker 1: no one, what is that potentially telling me it's gonna
Speaker 1: happen on the other Saturday asked, well, Molly wapped, Yes,
Speaker 1: and so someone and so someone someone. We don't squad.
Speaker 1: He don't. He didn't dead live. I could, Oh, I
Speaker 1: could have made it. But what I did, that's the
Speaker 1: fool And that's what I'm saying, Tom Fooler, right, that
Speaker 1: is the problem. What I did do is I did
Speaker 1: isolation as if I was injured. What I mean is
Speaker 1: instead of uh, say, leg extensions of using both legs
Speaker 1: and doing the whole right. You know, he put in
Speaker 1: the machine and they do the whole thing. You see
Speaker 1: somebody doing one fifty No, what I would do, bro,
Speaker 1: it's probably like sixty or seventy each in the vigil lag.
Speaker 1: So I would have my right leg in the leg
Speaker 1: extension and go slowly up flex the quarter away, yes,
Speaker 1: and do that in each leg. And I may do
Speaker 1: that fifty right, fifty pounds and that was my workout.
Speaker 1: How I would how did I get my strength? Man?
Speaker 1: My guy used to have me work do my workout
Speaker 1: with a weight vest on ropes and running the out route, resistance,
Speaker 1: the resistance and a body weight hour and a half
Speaker 1: workout with a pound weight vest on heart rate monitor
Speaker 1: to watch my heart rate, all of that stuff. So
Speaker 1: when I got to this little winky dinky Janue uh
Speaker 1: june bs weak ass workout, they would do all them
Speaker 1: dudes that was there, never outperforming telling about my yeah
Speaker 1: vert just on the vert. We're not even talking about
Speaker 1: during the season because I go through a whole during
Speaker 1: the season which was bananas. Well, I'm gonna start off
Speaker 1: by saying, this practice, okay, what a smithy dude? Before practice?
Speaker 1: He walks to practice and does nothing else besides my
Speaker 1: hip side to side. Okay, now fully dressed, Though fully dressed,
Speaker 1: I did get in the shower like I got in
Speaker 1: the hot talk. Everybody else is stretching. I'm gonna take this.
Speaker 1: This is why for all the listeners out there, the
Speaker 1: young kids that want to be like Steve Smith, you
Speaker 1: can't do everything Smith. Steve Smith does because he was
Speaker 1: just blessed differently. You know, there's some practice. I'm talking
Speaker 1: training camp two a days because I was there when
Speaker 1: we first had the last bit of two of days. Legit,
Speaker 1: two days. Man, I'm talking people sore, like how I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get through today. Steve just sitting over there, just
Speaker 1: just side to side, observing talking whatever he's talking talking about.
Speaker 1: We're gonna eat whatever. I'm like, Man, this man never never,
Speaker 1: he never stretches like how and he just goes out
Speaker 1: there and just runs continuously in the heat and doesn't
Speaker 1: get hurt. So unless it was a real injury, yeah,
Speaker 1: is it clearly a break? Yeah? Broken? Yeah, but that's different,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So behind the scenes though,
Speaker 1: because you got to see me. Our rooms are next
Speaker 1: to each other. One of the one of the training
Speaker 1: camps I did technology free training camp. I had no
Speaker 1: technology other than my my phone, and the phone's back
Speaker 1: then or nothing could compared to what they are today.
Speaker 1: So I had no PlayStation, on video games, no television.
Speaker 1: I just had books. Right, he was on a whole
Speaker 1: another level of training. But I had my own game ready,
Speaker 1: had my own machines, and I also had a phone
Speaker 1: roller in there so and I iced. So I would
Speaker 1: sit in my room while everybody else is laughing and joking.
Speaker 1: I'd be in the phone rolling. I'd be in the
Speaker 1: game radio. Man, you had you like little Michael Jackson Chamber. No,
Speaker 1: they had guys had it. But but I always and
Speaker 1: if I had felt anything, guys that would hurt me
Speaker 1: up at six am? Who'll be rolling in at six am?
Speaker 1: Anything felt like it didn't feel right. I was in
Speaker 1: there at six am trying to get trying to get
Speaker 1: it taken care of. Like his preparation came before everybody
Speaker 1: else was preparing. Yeah, and I saw that from befar,
Speaker 1: like how does man jump like that? Oh? He was
Speaker 1: doing stuff on his own influence. But that and that
Speaker 1: definitely influenced my my own physical situation because I had
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. And I remember Steve was like,
Speaker 1: you got to figure it out. You can't just depend
Speaker 1: on them. You gotta you gotta figure it out. So
Speaker 1: because he was having injuries, and training staff is there
Speaker 1: to help you get back on the field right for
Speaker 1: that year, for that game, for that game, or for
Speaker 1: that play or for the practice, and so you have
Speaker 1: to be prepared and be ready. So I would tell
Speaker 1: these guys, now I did all this stuff. We go
Speaker 1: out there and practice, bro, I would practice right, and
Speaker 1: not just practice to brag about practice. But practice was
Speaker 1: like so when the game came, it was easy, or
Speaker 1: it was it was easier at times because if you
Speaker 1: only bench pressing that seven hundred pounds one time, what
Speaker 1: history and file do you have in data to go
Speaker 1: off when you're in play fifty and the dude in
Speaker 1: front of you, it's just that much better, right, And
Speaker 1: you don't because you're telling the guys you just gotta
Speaker 1: do your best one time. When are you seeing a
Speaker 1: guy laying on his back simulating a bench pressing the
Speaker 1: fact that if my office a lineman is doing that,
Speaker 1: that means he got pancake, that he's push hit someone
Speaker 1: off off of him. Good, do good, let's getting down
Speaker 1: to do it. Good. Hey, Gerard, why didn't you get
Speaker 1: that T shirt? You mean this thing? Oh yes, I
Speaker 1: got it from cut to a podcast dot com where
Speaker 1: we have exclusive merchandise. Shout out to our guys at
Speaker 1: seven or four shot. But yeah, you can go on,
Speaker 1: buy you a T shirt, subscribe to us wherever you
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. I mean the preparation though, and even
Speaker 1: you started going down this path, Jonathan, even with this
Speaker 1: particular NFL season, You've seen Christian McCaffrey, Derrick Henry, Alvin Camary,
Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of running backs get hurt. How
Speaker 1: physically demanding is it playing running back and through injuries?
Speaker 1: As Smithy sound, you dealt with some injury yourself. How
Speaker 1: how physically demanding is it going through that. It's really demanding.
Speaker 1: But you also have to, you know, have the right
Speaker 1: situation for me. And I came into this league hurt
Speaker 1: surgery said you can't hurt. He was, he didn't come
Speaker 1: into this boy was drafting high draft with had surgery
Speaker 1: in the off season or in March before I got drafted,
Speaker 1: And so my whole situation from the beginning was a
Speaker 1: lot different. Like it was, Okay, I have to get
Speaker 1: through this to get on the field. I have to
Speaker 1: prove this through this that I am valuable and that
Speaker 1: they didn't waste to pick. Would you feel like you
Speaker 1: playing catch up? Almost? Kind he was, like it was
Speaker 1: because I mean, at the end of the day, like
Speaker 1: training camp was my first time putting on pads, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't have O T A S didn't have any
Speaker 1: of that, and so, you know, just figuring things out
Speaker 1: from that standpoint. I had to realize that, especially going
Speaker 1: back to seeing Smitty stretching next to me every day
Speaker 1: and just wondering, how does this man get out here
Speaker 1: every day and do what and do what he does.
Speaker 1: I started seeing it year after year as he came
Speaker 1: to training camp in shape. Oh, he's doing things on
Speaker 1: his own. He's doing things that is better for his body.
Speaker 1: Because I think of the day too. What you learn
Speaker 1: is my body is different than everyone else's. That's one
Speaker 1: of the toughest things that I do think with testing
Speaker 1: that we need to be careful of sometimes because I
Speaker 1: know that I used to be a league rap a
Speaker 1: player rep. So one of the things I My stance
Speaker 1: on testosterone testing isn't that I don't believe and I
Speaker 1: believe in it. I believe in testing because there's some
Speaker 1: folks out there cheating. Right. Why I believe testing testosterone
Speaker 1: you have to be careful of is this when you
Speaker 1: look at the National Health Chart. Technically, I'm all of
Speaker 1: my years of planning, I'm considered obest hy versus versus
Speaker 1: because muscles weigh more than fat. So at five nine
Speaker 1: one nine, I'm considered OBEs. So if I'm considered obese
Speaker 1: in this diagram, what is that based on. It's not
Speaker 1: based on the athlete, It's not based on race. It
Speaker 1: is not based on geographical right, And somebody listen to say,
Speaker 1: what do you mean geographical? What what do people that
Speaker 1: live in predominantly warm weather cities do when they go
Speaker 1: to the cold weather city cold weather cities? They struggle?
Speaker 1: Your body adapts. People in Florida could not be in
Speaker 1: Minnesota outdoors, like I was a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Bro at ten o'clock at nine. You don't want to
Speaker 1: know what the high was that day? Three tree, Bro,
Speaker 1: three degree. That was the high. That means at the
Speaker 1: highest point of you feeling warmth. You wasn't because it
Speaker 1: was three. But a person in Minnesota what enjoy Florida?
Speaker 1: But a person in North Carolina, Man, we go to
Speaker 1: Florida in April, Bro, it's so hot. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't. I need seasons. And so what I'm getting
Speaker 1: to is, if you're testing and you set the parameter
Speaker 1: of this is what the level of testosterone should be
Speaker 1: for a year old male from where, and what do
Speaker 1: they do because we all know health. How you live
Speaker 1: about your day, your body responds to it or it
Speaker 1: also tells on itself. So I'm in the long winded way,
Speaker 1: but think about it. If you're saying the testosterone for
Speaker 1: a seven year old non active person should be the
Speaker 1: same testosterone as a twenty seven year old league MVP
Speaker 1: or Russian title like that, brother is built from something
Speaker 1: else naturally, right, here's here, here's what I mean. I
Speaker 1: wear size double X exhale depending on the type for
Speaker 1: my gloves. Okay, my wings spanning five nine equals to
Speaker 1: be six to my shoe size is twelve, but you
Speaker 1: don't want you want to know my width double E.
Speaker 1: So I technically kind of have like platypus slash duck feet,
Speaker 1: but also helps with my balance. Right before before my
Speaker 1: right calf was torn, just my calf around my suits
Speaker 1: and pants seventeen point five almost eight teen and a
Speaker 1: half for my neck when I play. Why is all
Speaker 1: this important? Because because I do to suit thing and
Speaker 1: my sizes have went down. But I also just did
Speaker 1: a just for research while I went back and was
Speaker 1: like sol my measurements, so five nine six two, I'm
Speaker 1: a forty. I think it was forty four coat forty
Speaker 1: two code with a forty two regular and cold. But
Speaker 1: my body structure is fitted as a forty four where arms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of that has to do with people. And so
Speaker 1: if you are going to test someone but your measurement
Speaker 1: is out of a pool of people that don't relate
Speaker 1: of course to testosterone, charts are gonna be all over
Speaker 1: the place. Yeah, if you're talking about a twenty seven
Speaker 1: year old lazy person who all they do is eat
Speaker 1: junk all the day all day and don't do anything
Speaker 1: and have type two uh diabetes, their test strong is
Speaker 1: gonna be a little and they're insolent, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot higher and lower in areas. And so now
Speaker 1: that's the level for the sugar intake for someone's who's active,
Speaker 1: who who gets paid millions of dollars to do that.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's some of the things, that's not
Speaker 1: all of them. That's what some of the track folks
Speaker 1: are trying to say, is, man, i'm running football players two,
Speaker 1: I'm running twenty six miles per hour. They built a
Speaker 1: little different. They caboost is a lot more caboosting it right,
Speaker 1: And and the reason that's important is here's the difference,
Speaker 1: not saying you look at them, but just me being
Speaker 1: a football guy and being able to look at stuff.
Speaker 1: You look at offensive alignment, the space between their their
Speaker 1: belt and there back in the top of their hamstring.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of space there. But you look at
Speaker 1: the caboosa Derrick Henry and that boy can't hear it?
Speaker 1: You go holy smokes, right, because of the power is
Speaker 1: structured differently because they're utilizing the difference. And that's why
Speaker 1: it comes full back, full circle. A receiver can never
Speaker 1: do what the running back is doing, and a running
Speaker 1: backs shouldn't do what the offensive linement is doing. Offensive
Speaker 1: linement shouldn't be doing. It's not they're running a different structure.
Speaker 1: I'm running standing up. He's running for impact, so the
Speaker 1: way balance, he's supposed to be more firm. That's why
Speaker 1: squats is good for them, because he's taking on stuff
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be taking on anything, and I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: be going up I supposed to be from is completely different.
Speaker 1: How it How has how if any has the running
Speaker 1: back position changing NFL since you've been drafted, Um, well, receivers,
Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at you know Christian McCaffrey. He's
Speaker 1: an example. I mean, he's he's open the eyes for
Speaker 1: many and you know in the scouting department right as
Speaker 1: far as what they're looking for. Two dimensional, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: can do all the things. He can run between the tackles,
Speaker 1: He's proven that. And he can be receiving, not just
Speaker 1: catching the ball out of the backfield, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: he can line up run around Christian Christian. He is
Speaker 1: one of those players which I believe is happening in Carolina.
Speaker 1: He makes you lazy. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: He's in there. You don't have to think too much,
Speaker 1: you don't have to what something goes awry? That checkdown? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it right, And I mean and having a
Speaker 1: guy like but but having a good receiving corps two
Speaker 1: makes it makes it makes it a lot. Makes a
Speaker 1: coaching staff or offensive coordinator lazy too, because you got
Speaker 1: those little seivers screams. You gotta you got a guy
Speaker 1: that you know he's gonna run a slam. He's go
Speaker 1: and take it and might even score on you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Or you gotta you got two headed
Speaker 1: monster and running backs where one can run in between
Speaker 1: the tackles. The other one when he chooses to can
Speaker 1: run in between the tackles, but then he'll shake it outside. Right,
Speaker 1: you got the one guy who he's shifty, another guy
Speaker 1: who's shifting and bruising as well, which made D'Angelo raise
Speaker 1: his game up to be bruising as well. Trouble years, yes,
Speaker 1: and so you have. But then that's where the cheeto
Speaker 1: comes in because you've got two good running backs. You
Speaker 1: got some wide receivers at a pretty decent and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they load in the box and still
Speaker 1: a quick let's throw the smoke route to to Steve
Speaker 1: or the moves to Ricky, whoever it is, and then
Speaker 1: they back off because they don't want to get gas
Speaker 1: in the smoke route. So now you right, and so
Speaker 1: they just go side by side, which when you when
Speaker 1: the defense coordinator at some point throughout the season, we'll
Speaker 1: do that where they just have your number. Then the
Speaker 1: coordinator doesn't know what to do because we usually throw
Speaker 1: the smoke that didn't work. We usually throw a screen
Speaker 1: that didn't work. We usually do a draw that didn't work.
Speaker 1: We usually can muscle people that's not working, and that's
Speaker 1: when you can really see how oftensive coordinator or coaching
Speaker 1: staff is designing their team. If a guy gets hurt
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's the stalemate. What kind
Speaker 1: of job are you doing? Which goes back to when
Speaker 1: you have a lot of five stars and track runners
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you're no longer on the
Speaker 1: field you got you're no longer doing the sprints. You
Speaker 1: gotta do all field events. You ain't got no shot putters,
Speaker 1: ain't got no long jump long jumpers, you ain't. And
Speaker 1: now I'm sure it becomes what's your what's your identity?
Speaker 1: You know what your identity is? Man you start, you
Speaker 1: start shopping at the grocery store on greet That's what
Speaker 1: it is, grabbing anything you grab. I typically eat those
Speaker 1: really nice right now you'll get But when I get
Speaker 1: to the toilet, and what you have is you have
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. I'm not bashing them, but he's sitting
Speaker 1: here breaking down. There's a transition, and you have to
Speaker 1: be patient. Is transition. But in this transition, you have
Speaker 1: to be patient and also be okay with the results.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying right now, in the third year, he
Speaker 1: third year, the Carolina Panthers should be a Cindy and
Speaker 1: what they seem to be doing just being average. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's tough. It's tough, but you gotta figure out a way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough. I figure out a way. You are a
Speaker 1: unique person, you are well worth it, you are competent,
Speaker 1: and most of all, your lovable. I'm Steve Smith, Singer,
Speaker 1: I'm Gerard Little John and this is cut to It.
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