WEBVTT - On Patrol With Favela Security

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<v Speaker 1>Causer Media.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to the Away Days podcast on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>outside reporting from the underbelly with me Jake Hanrahan. To

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<v Speaker 2>watch Awaydays documentaries, go to YouTube dot com slash at

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<v Speaker 2>away Daze TV. This is part two for Velow Government,

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<v Speaker 2>Episode three. This podcast is a production of H eleven

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<v Speaker 2>Studio and call Zone Media. After talking to Player, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand the CV outlook a little better. Unlike some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other gangs, they at least want to be seen

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<v Speaker 2>to be helping the people. But whilst it's true that

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<v Speaker 2>CV generally didn't tax people back in the day, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like it used to be. There are now reports

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<v Speaker 2>of the gang charge in Favela residents for everything from

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<v Speaker 2>parking spaces to internet access, just like a conventional government.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, CV has the resources of the Favela lockdown

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<v Speaker 2>so well that in some cases they've literally made their

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<v Speaker 2>own internet service providers. In this article from twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>journalist Graham Slattery details how armed gangs even chased out

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<v Speaker 2>repair men who've been sent to a terminal to fix

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<v Speaker 2>what showed as a disruption in service that it definitely

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<v Speaker 2>was quote as real. Dejenira residents sheltered at home last year,

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<v Speaker 2>during the deadliest phase of Brazil's COVID nineteen outbreak, Police

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<v Speaker 2>detective Gabriel Ferrando said he got a tip that something

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious was upending local internet service. Access had vanished across

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<v Speaker 2>broad swaths of Moral for Meiga or the Anhill, a

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<v Speaker 2>tough neighborhood on the city's north side. When Ferrando quized

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<v Speaker 2>the technician from a broadband provider tasked with fixing the outage,

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<v Speaker 2>the worker, who he declined to name, said armed men

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<v Speaker 2>had chased him away with a warning not to return.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out a new internet provider had claimed this turf,

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<v Speaker 2>a company whose investors at one time included an accused

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<v Speaker 2>drug and arms trafficker with ties to Brazil's notorious Red

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<v Speaker 2>Command crime syndicate. Using stolen property, some of it pilford

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<v Speaker 2>from the internet provider tim The newcomers soon had their

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<v Speaker 2>own internet service up and running. Residents could sign up

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<v Speaker 2>with the new firm or do without end quote until

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the only place affected either. The journalist interviewed almost

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<v Speaker 2>two dozen telecoms executives, law enforcement officials, and Internet users

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<v Speaker 2>in Brazil. They also reviewed thousands of pages court documents

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<v Speaker 2>submitted by the police. What they found was quote an

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<v Speaker 2>audacious takeover of internet service in dozens of neighborhoods in

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<v Speaker 2>Brazil's major cities by companies associated with alleged criminals, unafraid

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<v Speaker 2>to use force and intimidation to push out rivals. The

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<v Speaker 2>result is that tens of thousands of Brazilians now depend

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<v Speaker 2>on unreliable second rate broadband networks, estimated by industry and

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement officials to be generating millions of dollars annually

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<v Speaker 2>for purported crooks. End quote. So all the webbing of

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<v Speaker 2>telegraph wires above our heads in the favela is part

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<v Speaker 2>of CV's telecoms empire. The many different sized antennas and

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<v Speaker 2>satellite dishes I've seen jerry rigged onto the top of

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<v Speaker 2>roofs and the sides of Foravella housing provides residents internet

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<v Speaker 2>and television. Let's call it CV and T. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>most popular provider in the whole of the favela. Because

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<v Speaker 2>CV and T is the only provider in the whole

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<v Speaker 2>of the favela. If you want to serve the Web,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be doing it with gang made internet technology, real

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<v Speaker 2>Favela innovation. In this case, it's a way to make

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<v Speaker 2>more money from the citizens of the favela. You could argue,

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<v Speaker 2>so what why should the local gang not make some

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<v Speaker 2>extra money from an internet provider. Well, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>issue is that the residents have no other choice. You

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<v Speaker 2>CV and T or don't have internet. Tadly a free

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<v Speaker 2>market if the other competitors are chased away with literal

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<v Speaker 2>machine guns. In plot Foggatto, we seem to have gained

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of trust. The gang members are surprised we

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<v Speaker 2>keep coming back each day, and are definitely more comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>with us around than they were at the start. A

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<v Speaker 2>few have even waived or nodded at us as we

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<v Speaker 2>moved past them at various checkpoints. We move further up

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<v Speaker 2>the hills into the shakier heights of the favelas. See

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<v Speaker 2>As you move higher into the hills of a Brazilian favela,

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<v Speaker 2>the physical, social, and infrastructural landscape changes dramatically. Favelas are

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<v Speaker 2>often built on steep land that the formal city avoids.

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<v Speaker 2>The glass and metal sky rises of the city are

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not built on hillsides, ravines, and floodplains. The lower

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<v Speaker 2>levels of the favela tend to be more accessible and

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<v Speaker 2>as a result have better access to what limited public

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure there is. Over time, these services might extend upwards,

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<v Speaker 2>but not always. Housing near the base of the favela

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<v Speaker 2>is usually denser and more established, built from brick, concrete, or,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've seen, brittle breeze blocks. These homes are often

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<v Speaker 2>two or more stories, sometimes with small shops or makeshift

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<v Speaker 2>businesses on the ground level. As I travel further up

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<v Speaker 2>into the favela, it's clear that construction becomes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more improvised. Buildings on the upper slopes are usually smaller,

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<v Speaker 2>built from cheaper materials like wood or sheet metal, and

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<v Speaker 2>many lack proper foundations. The angles of some of these

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<v Speaker 2>dwellings look as if they're filmed on a fish Eyelans.

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<v Speaker 2>Outer walls are sometimes bowing with weight, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>huge water butts hanging off the edges of many homes here,

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<v Speaker 2>probably their only chance to get decent water. The jungle

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<v Speaker 2>landscape becomes more dense also, and so the area is

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<v Speaker 2>susceptible to landslides, particularly during rainy season. These upper zones

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<v Speaker 2>are at greater environmental risk and often house the poorest families.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the main issues here believe it or not

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<v Speaker 2>is global warming. Amongst all of the guns and the

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<v Speaker 2>drugs and the violence, even pollution is getting the people here.

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<v Speaker 2>The community reporting platform rio on watch has covered this

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<v Speaker 2>problem extensively. In an article by Karla Regina, she wrote, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>these phenomena leave some displaced and homeless, forced to live

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<v Speaker 2>in public shelters or with relatives. Local governments in Brazil

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<v Speaker 2>generally register them for social rent if they are unable

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<v Speaker 2>to access public housing programs such as Minhat Casamina Vida,

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<v Speaker 2>but not everyone affected is covered by these programs, and

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<v Speaker 2>even when they are, many report the payments received are

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<v Speaker 2>lower than the rents charged in the favelas. Thus, many

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<v Speaker 2>favela residents choose to return to their former addresses to

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild their homes. Others join the homeless movement, occupying vacant

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<v Speaker 2>lots or abandoned public and private buildings that are not

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<v Speaker 2>fulfilling the social function of property as outlined in the

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<v Speaker 2>Brazilian Constitution. The complete absence of public services in higher

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<v Speaker 2>perwer of the favelas is alarming. Ravines are giving way,

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<v Speaker 2>gradually eroding with each bolt of rain. With a few

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<v Speaker 2>more storms, which are common in Rio, it's likely these

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<v Speaker 2>will collapse, wiping away everything and everyone in their way.

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<v Speaker 2>Tall trees grow on unstable soil and without proper care

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<v Speaker 2>from the authorities. There are also a cause of concern

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<v Speaker 2>amongst residents the close to falling onto their houses. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a tragedy waiting to happen. One of the Favella houses

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<v Speaker 2>I visited in twenty nineteen used to be occupied by

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<v Speaker 2>a woman and her pregnant daughter. Back then, it was

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<v Speaker 2>already in precarious conditions and did not have electricity. The

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<v Speaker 2>woman and her daughter cooked outside in their backyard on

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<v Speaker 2>a makeshift brick stove using charcoal and a refrigerator grill.

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<v Speaker 2>When I spoke to the pregnant daughter in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>she said she felt no danger living there. She was

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<v Speaker 2>already used to it, and while almost everything got wet

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<v Speaker 2>when it rained, she could sleep wherever the rain hadn't fallen.

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<v Speaker 2>Today the house is even more run down end quote.

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<v Speaker 2>In the time we've been here in the Favella, it

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<v Speaker 2>rained heavily several times. Each roof drips water constantly, and

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<v Speaker 2>the stream of the brill and uncollected rubbish pushes filth

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<v Speaker 2>and probably diseased down Some parts of the open hills.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the few benefits of living higher up in

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<v Speaker 2>the Favella's dough are the views, if you can call

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<v Speaker 2>that a benefit in such poverty. We turn a corner

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<v Speaker 2>after five minutes, stomping up an almost vertical hill, and

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<v Speaker 2>agreeted with the natural beauty of the jungle in front

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<v Speaker 2>of us, lush leaves, thick branches, and green for miles

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<v Speaker 2>just around the corner. Though on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>this strip, the view is the opposite. You can see

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<v Speaker 2>all the main roads into the Flavella from here, and

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<v Speaker 2>the normality of the city out in the distance. Suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>I hear the crackle of a radio. Behind us, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a young lad, dressed and a black t shirt with

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<v Speaker 2>a black cat and blue denim shorts, sat with a

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<v Speaker 2>few guns at a higher vantage point. He's a lookout,

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<v Speaker 2>watching here all day and informing his higher ups of

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<v Speaker 2>any suspicious activity. His plastic chair is placed within a

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<v Speaker 2>few feet of the front door of a makeshift house.

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<v Speaker 2>It's decorated out front with a mix of different brightly

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<v Speaker 2>colored flowers. There's even a little tor toys moving slowly

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<v Speaker 2>through the garden. A marvel at the tortoise as the

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<v Speaker 2>lookout moves around, putting his pistol into the band of

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<v Speaker 2>his trousers and nodding at us vaguely. He doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk, as he's busy working, beats friendly, and he

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<v Speaker 2>seems chilled out with us around. I reckon he's about

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years old. In this area, despite the young gunman

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<v Speaker 2>keeping watch of everything, there is a lot less going

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<v Speaker 2>on and it does feel more peaceful socially. There's also

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<v Speaker 2>a subtle status hierarchy in some favelas, depending on how

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<v Speaker 2>high up you are. While in most city ties the

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<v Speaker 2>higher ground means wealth, in favelas the opposite is often true.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've said, residents at the bottom tend to have

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<v Speaker 2>better economic opportunities given their proximity to transport, employment, and services.

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<v Speaker 2>Those living at the top are usually more isolated and

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<v Speaker 2>have to navigate these long, steep hills. It's not uncommon

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<v Speaker 2>for people to have to carry water, fuel, or even

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<v Speaker 2>construction materials by hand up the hillside. Community investment and

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<v Speaker 2>urban upgrading projects typically begin in lower or mid level zones,

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<v Speaker 2>where access is easier and the property is more stable.

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<v Speaker 2>Higher up areas tend to be last in line for

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<v Speaker 2>improvements like lighting, pavements and public spaces. Ultimately, the higher

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<v Speaker 2>you go in a favela, the more precarious life can

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<v Speaker 2>be structurally, environmentally, and economically. I want to go even

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<v Speaker 2>further up to see what life is like there. Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>isn't sure. He makes a few calls. After a few minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets a message. Basically, we have permission, but at

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<v Speaker 2>our own risk. The motorbike taxis will come to take

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<v Speaker 2>us further, but one of the gang members has to

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<v Speaker 2>radio each checkpoint first to let the gang members know

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<v Speaker 2>not to shoot us as we go past. It's taking

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<v Speaker 2>him a while to radio each checkpoint on the route

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<v Speaker 2>we're headed up. I'm happy about that, as he seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing a thorough job. I absolutely do not

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<v Speaker 2>want to get shot today or tomorrow or ever. Eventually

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<v Speaker 2>the bikes turn up. I catch a ride up to

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<v Speaker 2>the higher parts of Palat Fogato. After a few minutes

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<v Speaker 2>I arrived first. Not ideal. They've got to go back

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<v Speaker 2>down to get Carlos. They're pulled up to a wreck

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<v Speaker 2>area with a load of concrete benches, a children's playground,

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<v Speaker 2>and a mesh fence football court. There's around a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>well armed gang members set around the benches, both young

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<v Speaker 2>and older. As a unit, they're better around than the

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<v Speaker 2>shooters we saw further down. These lads have a variety

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<v Speaker 2>of different long barreled guns and side arms. At their hips.

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<v Speaker 2>They have AK pattern rifles, AR fifteen platform rifles, fil

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<v Speaker 2>para and G three A three. With all these guns

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<v Speaker 2>around just meters away in the courts, kids are playing

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<v Speaker 2>football and little children are watching. Gang members all look

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<v Speaker 2>at each other and certainly then at me and starting

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<v Speaker 2>to worry they didn't get the message don't shoot the gringo.

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<v Speaker 2>I put on my friendliest smile wave and I say

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<v Speaker 2>hi the kind of nod. Then look to an older

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<v Speaker 2>guy wearing all red with long hair down his back.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also the first person we've seen in the Favela

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<v Speaker 2>with a beard. He has a Saga twelve semi auto

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<v Speaker 2>shotgun slung over his shoulder and a whole belt of

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<v Speaker 2>red shotgun shells fastened around his waist. He's like Favella Rambo.

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<v Speaker 2>He nods to me and smiles white. Everyone relaxes a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>and Carlos arrives on the back of the bike.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck, It's all good. Despite us being higher up, where

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<v Speaker 2>as I've mentioned Favella's usually become more impoverished. This is

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<v Speaker 2>actually a really nice neighborhood. The houses a makeshift and

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<v Speaker 2>piled up still sure on this street, at least, they're

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<v Speaker 2>all painted bright colors, green, pink, yellow. There were large

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<v Speaker 2>bushes with blooming, multi colored flowers growing out of the

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<v Speaker 2>tops of the flat roofs. A start to wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a CV boss lives in this area. The guy

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<v Speaker 2>with the combat shotgun who will call Red, and a

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<v Speaker 2>younger member of the local gang are about to head

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<v Speaker 2>off on a patrol of the area. They ask if

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<v Speaker 2>we can join them, and they shrug okay, and they

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<v Speaker 2>lead the way. The patrol is a pretty informal affair.

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<v Speaker 2>Two gang bangers wander around the area with their guns drawn,

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<v Speaker 2>but not like they're about to storm the front line.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more just in case. The purpose of these patrols

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<v Speaker 2>is to inspect the various CV checkpoints, to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>the gang members are all doing their job that and

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure there's no trouble in the neighborhood. It

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<v Speaker 2>occurs to me that in a strange way, this is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of what police back home do in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least what they used to do a bobby

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<v Speaker 2>on the beat. We call it as in police officers

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<v Speaker 2>who are assigned to a local area to walk about,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure things are okay, familiarize the people with the police.

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<v Speaker 2>Now though generally police in the UK chase after insignificant

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<v Speaker 2>nonsense and largely shy away from serious crime. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even remember the last time I saw a police officer

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<v Speaker 2>get out of their car for anything other than an arrest,

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<v Speaker 2>but the concept still sits in my head. As we

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<v Speaker 2>walk around the upper levels of this Foravila neighborhood, CV

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<v Speaker 2>has really taken on the role of the authorities in

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<v Speaker 2>more ways than one, whether they realize it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>As we head down some uneven concrete steps out of

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<v Speaker 2>the more colorful neighborhoods, it becomes clear that actually this

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<v Speaker 2>area is more impoverished than the lower levels. The stench

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<v Speaker 2>of shits and sewages in the air. A few people

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<v Speaker 2>around look addicted to drugs. We move through a checkpoint

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<v Speaker 2>and the CV members on it look very high. They

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<v Speaker 2>giggle and laugh and say hello to us. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>ideal when they're all armed to the teeth. Red's nods

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<v Speaker 2>at them, says a few words checks the radio, and

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<v Speaker 2>we move off down a long set of stairs in

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<v Speaker 2>a narrow side street halfway. I want to know what

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<v Speaker 2>would happen if we encounter the police right now, if

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<v Speaker 2>the police come through here, what happens? Well, if the

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<v Speaker 2>lads there just said, without hesitation, we shoot a police

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<v Speaker 2>straight away, we can't let them into the favela. We

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<v Speaker 2>can't let them up here. This is not wann to

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<v Speaker 2>be tough guys shit either. These lads are totally serious.

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<v Speaker 2>They've probably already done it, almost without a doubt. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact. It happens here regularly. The cops

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<v Speaker 2>kill them, they kill cops, the cops kill them, they

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<v Speaker 2>kill cops. It goes on and on. Like players said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a war that will probably last till the

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<v Speaker 2>end of time. Just as we're about to keep moving,

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<v Speaker 2>an elderly man, maybe in its seventies, walks down the

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<v Speaker 2>steps behind us with two huge bags of rubbish. He's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to clean up the area or dump out his

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<v Speaker 2>own home waist. I don't know. The two gang members

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<v Speaker 2>part to let him through. The younger, I notice, immediately

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<v Speaker 2>puts his back to the wall and looks straight down

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<v Speaker 2>at the floor it's like a young kid put in

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<v Speaker 2>a dunce corner. I could be wrong by a sense

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<v Speaker 2>he feels some kind of shame. He's wearing a mask

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<v Speaker 2>over his head, so it's not that he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>hide his face, and yet still he hangs his head

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<v Speaker 2>so his chin is almost touching his chest. The old

0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.400
<v Speaker 2>fellow strides through the middle of us and doesn't look

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<v Speaker 2>up at the gang members or me for a single second.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't acknowledge any of us whatsoever. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>his body language like this suggests he is absolutely not

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of these guys. It's a brief moment, but

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<v Speaker 2>I see it almost as a silent protest. Maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking into it too much. I don't know. These two

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<v Speaker 2>gunmen are basically the security of his neighborhood, impoverished young

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<v Speaker 2>men with guns who are untrained and unscrupulous. In every

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood there's a batch of these CV foot soldiers armed

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<v Speaker 2>with black market guns. They're ready to fight at any time.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, last year there were over two thousand, five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred shootings in this area of Real, Over one third

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<v Speaker 2>of them were during police operations. Hundreds of civilians have

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<v Speaker 2>been caught in the crossfire, and many don't even go

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital for fears they'll be accused of gang activity.

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<v Speaker 2>Needless to say, the actual statistics are probably a lot higher.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe it or not, the life expectancy in a favela

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<v Speaker 2>like this is just forty eight years old. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>not killed in a gang shootout or by deprivation or

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<v Speaker 2>assassinated for something, you might just get shot to death

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<v Speaker 2>by the police. It is not at all uncommon. As

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<v Speaker 2>I've mentioned several times in this series, police brutality in

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<v Speaker 2>Brazil is a long standing issue, but in recent years

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<v Speaker 2>it's become even more severe, especially in the favelas and

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<v Speaker 2>poorer urban areas. Brazil has one of the highest rates

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<v Speaker 2>of police killings in the world. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>violence is tied to the so called war on drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>which is given the police a kind of unofficial license

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<v Speaker 2>to go in hard and ask questions later, if at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in Rio and in sal Paolo, operations often involve

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<v Speaker 2>armored vehicles rolling into densely populated areas where shootouts erupt

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<v Speaker 2>in broad daylight. Civilians frequently get caught in the crossfire,

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<v Speaker 2>and accountability for that is almost non existent. What I

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<v Speaker 2>find most shocking is the number of kids being killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty three, for example, police in Rio killed hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of people during operations, many of them just teenagers. These

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<v Speaker 2>deaths are often justified as the result of confrontations with gangbangers,

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<v Speaker 2>but investigations are very rare, So who even knows. Would

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<v Speaker 2>you trust the word of a police force that is

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<v Speaker 2>known to form a legal militias and deal drugs themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't. Even if cases do get investigated, they rarely

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<v Speaker 2>lead to prosecution. Video evidence and witness testimony is routinely ignored,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cops involved in such killings are usually back

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<v Speaker 2>out on the streets in just days. People living here

0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.520
<v Speaker 2>in the favelas often describe feeling under sieged by the

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<v Speaker 2>police rather than protected. It's no wonder It's not just

0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.280
<v Speaker 2>a few bad apple cops either. All the evidence suggests

0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.479
<v Speaker 2>that this is a deeply embedded problem within the system

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<v Speaker 2>here in Brazil, and many of these units are part

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<v Speaker 2>of the elite forces like BOPE who are spoken about

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<v Speaker 2>in a previous episode. They operate with heavy firepower and

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<v Speaker 2>little oversight. Politicians often praise these aggressive tactics as being

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote tough on crime, especially during election cycles. We

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<v Speaker 2>are surprise the sickly former president Bolsonaro put this mentality

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<v Speaker 2>on steroids when he openly encouraged police to kill suspected

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 2>criminals and promised legal protection for those who did. Obviously,

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.520
<v Speaker 2>that emboldened any local forces that were out for blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Due to the nature of the combat in the favelas,

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<v Speaker 2>there were no end of cops looking to take scalps.

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<v Speaker 2>Community activists and human rights groups have been pushing back,

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<v Speaker 2>but they face serious risks too. Some have been targeted

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<v Speaker 2>or even killed for speaking out. In the end, it's

0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.399
<v Speaker 2>the people living in the favelas who pay the ultimate price.

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 2>The cycle of violence keeps turning, and the gap between

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<v Speaker 2>the state and its citizens keeps growing. Nothing gets resolved.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day I arrived early in the favela and

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out we've been invited into the home of

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<v Speaker 2>a local who lives under CV rule but is a

0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 2>civilian by choice. He has no intentions to join the

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<v Speaker 2>gang and hopes to make it as a successful rapper.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes by the name Flows, and he is completely

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<v Speaker 2>uninvolved in gang activity. Let me be clear, he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it that way. This lab wasn't brought to

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<v Speaker 2>us by CV either. This is not some fake press tour.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a friend of a very trusted friend of mine

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<v Speaker 2>that put us in touch. For me, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect opportunity to speak to a civilian in his own home.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in the favela. We head up an extremely steep

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<v Speaker 2>hill to meet floats. You almost have to put your

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<v Speaker 2>hands out as you walk up it. As soon as

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<v Speaker 2>we arrive, Flows is out. He's ready. A spot him

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<v Speaker 2>at the back door of an alleyway that leads to

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<v Speaker 2>his small favela rented dwelling.

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<v Speaker 1>The sweir Ai.

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<v Speaker 2>You we're going this way. I instantly like his vibe.

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.479
<v Speaker 2>He's clearly full of energy and he embraces me warmly,

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<v Speaker 2>like we're old friends. He's in his early twenties, skinny

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>with a little goatey beard, a baggy T shirt and

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 2>a flat peak cap with Jay Diller embroidered into the

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<v Speaker 2>front of it. Jay Diller being the highly influential American

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.919
<v Speaker 2>hip hop producer and rapper known for his work with

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 2>artists like a tribe called Quest and Common. A follow

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 2>flows into his house. It's small, airy, and honestly pretty cozy.

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 2>The walls are all bare concrete as are the floors,

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<v Speaker 2>but Flows has made it his own. There are world

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.200
<v Speaker 2>maps on the walls, an old worn out punch bag

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>hanging from the ceiling, and a desk with a laptop

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 2>and various different music equipments spilling over it. Seeing as

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 2>me and my team are from the UK, Flows tells

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<v Speaker 2>us he has a drill beat ready and wants to

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<v Speaker 2>show us his rapping ability. Now, if you don't speak Portuguese,

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>his verses what makes sense to you? But I'm gonna

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 2>let it play in full anyway, as I don't think

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it matters if you don't understand Flows is a hidden

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<v Speaker 2>for talent. Trust me on this.

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<v Speaker 1>By the movie transiender save such result.

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<v Speaker 2>So NOI.

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<v Speaker 1>D c in pretty good but sabi if Finnish persona

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<v Speaker 1>TV forma bid a familiar for find my spook kadi videos,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, say d v V Christ and all that

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<v Speaker 1>ten dollars ron bb. So I'm see in drug a

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<v Speaker 1>quasarity taking a pointing ida them to do a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>And some.

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<v Speaker 1>Present brotig chill knack and child nu paid might say

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<v Speaker 1>grid no pre seas I say by six Swish paid

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<v Speaker 1>to balakom. They just said invitas. I say paid lad

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<v Speaker 1>hev Stad will be need come to chill, chill pay

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<v Speaker 1>and I might say grid no pre seas I say

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<v Speaker 1>by six sush paid to Balakom. He just said ina,

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<v Speaker 1>I say paid to lad he Shtad will be neat

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<v Speaker 1>we commit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so there's a there's a lot of like, you know,

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 2>gang activity around here. Do you find it hard to

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of stay away from that and just keep track

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<v Speaker 2>doing your own thing with your music or is there

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.640
<v Speaker 2>a kind of like maybe a pressure where you feel

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you would be doing better if you did join

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<v Speaker 2>the gang or something like that.

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 3>These people grow up close to complicate the situations. It's

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:18.680
<v Speaker 3>not compulsory to join, you know. I notice because music

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:23.439
<v Speaker 3>rescue me. In the favela. We are hostages off the system.

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 3>The system brings nothing good to us. The system only

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<v Speaker 3>comes here to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>As someone that's growing up in this community, you were

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 2>born here, raised here, you live here. Still it's run

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<v Speaker 2>by CV. What do you think of the police. We

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen any, but I understand when they do come

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 2>here things really kick off. As a local, what's your

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<v Speaker 2>perception of the cops here?

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<v Speaker 1>Would that police?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't feel safe aroundto police in the community when

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 3>they come here. In almost all cases, it's to hurt people.

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 3>They want to build a completely desensitized society. The police

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot to do with this, because it's like

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<v Speaker 3>they have pushed people to become monsters.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you're out of the favela and you're in

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<v Speaker 2>like the main areas of real the less impoverished areas,

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel, do you feel like that's the

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<v Speaker 2>same place or not? Because for us, honestly, it feels

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 2>like the government has completely abandoned the favelas and only

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<v Speaker 2>cares about like downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how does it feel to you satiategy quality.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel a very strong collective instinct here. You have respect,

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<v Speaker 3>affection and a great admiration for the people you see

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 3>there through good times and bad. In the cities, it's

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<v Speaker 3>more difficult because people are very elitis. They have ideas.

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 3>They are totally different form a collective one. In many

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 3>buildings they don't even great dormant, they don't even know

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 3>their neighbors even though they have lived there for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any fear of like CV or because

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you see them they're up and down here that arms Obviously,

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of violence when the police come in.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Is that something you feel as a local, like you

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>scared of them? Or do you feel like they protect you.

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<v Speaker 3>We have learned to get used to it because our

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<v Speaker 3>reality is in a certain way safer. Who can I

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 3>explain this? Like here, if I leave my window open,

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 3>I know no one will rob my house, no one

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 3>steals from anyone here, so in a way I feel

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<v Speaker 3>more at ease. However, we should never normalize it to

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<v Speaker 3>ans like we have here because we know many people

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<v Speaker 3>who are in CB and it's a very risky lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 3>so to normalize this would be psychotics.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you lost anyone due to this life? A yah?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I will tell you. He was a really

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<v Speaker 3>good kid, a very nice person. Renato died at the

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<v Speaker 3>top of a gatro. The police were hiding inside a

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<v Speaker 3>children's nursery. Bro. A nursery should be used for good things.

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<v Speaker 3>Military police hiding there and they kill him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a good dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Now his son is growing up to be a beautiful kid. Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>I am tired of this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is how we live in the favela. A favela

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<v Speaker 3>resident is always discriminated against. Regardless of where you're at,

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<v Speaker 3>you will always be a sass.

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<v Speaker 2>How does it work if someone comes into your house

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<v Speaker 2>when you're not here still with a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and then gone, like, who do you go to say

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<v Speaker 2>you have a dispute? Are you able to go to

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<v Speaker 2>CV to like deal with disputes.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that or not?

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<v Speaker 3>That's an impossible situation. There is no way the favailables

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<v Speaker 3>will that it happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>With this, Flows starts laughing. I think the message is clear.

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<v Speaker 2>No one would dare act top in the Favela when

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<v Speaker 2>CV is around. You've been listening to the White Days

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