1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Causer Media. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Away Days podcast on the ground 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 2: outside reporting from the underbelly with me Jake Hanrahan. To 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: watch Awaydays documentaries, go to YouTube dot com slash at 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: away Daze TV. This is part two for Velow Government, 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: Episode three. This podcast is a production of H eleven 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: Studio and call Zone Media. After talking to Player, I 8 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: understand the CV outlook a little better. Unlike some of 9 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: the other gangs, they at least want to be seen 10 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: to be helping the people. But whilst it's true that 11 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: CV generally didn't tax people back in the day, it's 12 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: not like it used to be. There are now reports 13 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: of the gang charge in Favela residents for everything from 14 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: parking spaces to internet access, just like a conventional government. 15 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: In fact, CV has the resources of the Favela lockdown 16 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: so well that in some cases they've literally made their 17 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: own internet service providers. In this article from twenty twenty two, 18 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 2: journalist Graham Slattery details how armed gangs even chased out 19 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: repair men who've been sent to a terminal to fix 20 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: what showed as a disruption in service that it definitely 21 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: was quote as real. Dejenira residents sheltered at home last year, 22 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: during the deadliest phase of Brazil's COVID nineteen outbreak, Police 23 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: detective Gabriel Ferrando said he got a tip that something 24 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: suspicious was upending local internet service. Access had vanished across 25 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: broad swaths of Moral for Meiga or the Anhill, a 26 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: tough neighborhood on the city's north side. When Ferrando quized 27 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: the technician from a broadband provider tasked with fixing the outage, 28 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: the worker, who he declined to name, said armed men 29 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: had chased him away with a warning not to return. 30 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: Turns out a new internet provider had claimed this turf, 31 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: a company whose investors at one time included an accused 32 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: drug and arms trafficker with ties to Brazil's notorious Red 33 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 2: Command crime syndicate. Using stolen property, some of it pilford 34 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: from the internet provider tim The newcomers soon had their 35 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: own internet service up and running. Residents could sign up 36 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: with the new firm or do without end quote until 37 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: wasn't the only place affected either. The journalist interviewed almost 38 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 2: two dozen telecoms executives, law enforcement officials, and Internet users 39 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: in Brazil. They also reviewed thousands of pages court documents 40 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: submitted by the police. What they found was quote an 41 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: audacious takeover of internet service in dozens of neighborhoods in 42 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: Brazil's major cities by companies associated with alleged criminals, unafraid 43 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: to use force and intimidation to push out rivals. The 44 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: result is that tens of thousands of Brazilians now depend 45 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: on unreliable second rate broadband networks, estimated by industry and 46 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: law enforcement officials to be generating millions of dollars annually 47 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: for purported crooks. End quote. So all the webbing of 48 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: telegraph wires above our heads in the favela is part 49 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: of CV's telecoms empire. The many different sized antennas and 50 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: satellite dishes I've seen jerry rigged onto the top of 51 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: roofs and the sides of Foravella housing provides residents internet 52 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: and television. Let's call it CV and T. It's the 53 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: most popular provider in the whole of the favela. Because 54 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 2: CV and T is the only provider in the whole 55 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: of the favela. If you want to serve the Web, 56 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: you'll be doing it with gang made internet technology, real 57 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: Favela innovation. In this case, it's a way to make 58 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 2: more money from the citizens of the favela. You could argue, 59 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: so what why should the local gang not make some 60 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: extra money from an internet provider. Well, I think the 61 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: issue is that the residents have no other choice. You 62 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: CV and T or don't have internet. Tadly a free 63 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: market if the other competitors are chased away with literal 64 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: machine guns. In plot Foggatto, we seem to have gained 65 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: some kind of trust. The gang members are surprised we 66 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: keep coming back each day, and are definitely more comfortable 67 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: with us around than they were at the start. A 68 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: few have even waived or nodded at us as we 69 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: moved past them at various checkpoints. We move further up 70 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: the hills into the shakier heights of the favelas. See 71 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: As you move higher into the hills of a Brazilian favela, 72 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: the physical, social, and infrastructural landscape changes dramatically. Favelas are 73 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: often built on steep land that the formal city avoids. 74 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: The glass and metal sky rises of the city are 75 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: certainly not built on hillsides, ravines, and floodplains. The lower 76 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: levels of the favela tend to be more accessible and 77 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: as a result have better access to what limited public 78 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: infrastructure there is. Over time, these services might extend upwards, 79 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: but not always. Housing near the base of the favela 80 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: is usually denser and more established, built from brick, concrete, or, 81 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: as we've seen, brittle breeze blocks. These homes are often 82 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: two or more stories, sometimes with small shops or makeshift 83 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: businesses on the ground level. As I travel further up 84 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: into the favela, it's clear that construction becomes a lot 85 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: more improvised. Buildings on the upper slopes are usually smaller, 86 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: built from cheaper materials like wood or sheet metal, and 87 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: many lack proper foundations. The angles of some of these 88 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: dwellings look as if they're filmed on a fish Eyelans. 89 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: Outer walls are sometimes bowing with weight, and there are 90 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: huge water butts hanging off the edges of many homes here, 91 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: probably their only chance to get decent water. The jungle 92 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: landscape becomes more dense also, and so the area is 93 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: susceptible to landslides, particularly during rainy season. These upper zones 94 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: are at greater environmental risk and often house the poorest families. 95 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: One of the main issues here believe it or not 96 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: is global warming. Amongst all of the guns and the 97 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: drugs and the violence, even pollution is getting the people here. 98 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: The community reporting platform rio on watch has covered this 99 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: problem extensively. In an article by Karla Regina, she wrote, quote, 100 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: these phenomena leave some displaced and homeless, forced to live 101 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: in public shelters or with relatives. Local governments in Brazil 102 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: generally register them for social rent if they are unable 103 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: to access public housing programs such as Minhat Casamina Vida, 104 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: but not everyone affected is covered by these programs, and 105 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: even when they are, many report the payments received are 106 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: lower than the rents charged in the favelas. Thus, many 107 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: favela residents choose to return to their former addresses to 108 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: rebuild their homes. Others join the homeless movement, occupying vacant 109 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: lots or abandoned public and private buildings that are not 110 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: fulfilling the social function of property as outlined in the 111 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: Brazilian Constitution. The complete absence of public services in higher 112 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: perwer of the favelas is alarming. Ravines are giving way, 113 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: gradually eroding with each bolt of rain. With a few 114 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: more storms, which are common in Rio, it's likely these 115 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: will collapse, wiping away everything and everyone in their way. 116 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: Tall trees grow on unstable soil and without proper care 117 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: from the authorities. There are also a cause of concern 118 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: amongst residents the close to falling onto their houses. It's 119 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: a tragedy waiting to happen. One of the Favella houses 120 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: I visited in twenty nineteen used to be occupied by 121 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: a woman and her pregnant daughter. Back then, it was 122 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: already in precarious conditions and did not have electricity. The 123 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: woman and her daughter cooked outside in their backyard on 124 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: a makeshift brick stove using charcoal and a refrigerator grill. 125 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: When I spoke to the pregnant daughter in twenty nineteen, 126 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: she said she felt no danger living there. She was 127 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: already used to it, and while almost everything got wet 128 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: when it rained, she could sleep wherever the rain hadn't fallen. 129 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: Today the house is even more run down end quote. 130 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: In the time we've been here in the Favella, it 131 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: rained heavily several times. Each roof drips water constantly, and 132 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: the stream of the brill and uncollected rubbish pushes filth 133 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: and probably diseased down Some parts of the open hills. 134 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: One of the few benefits of living higher up in 135 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: the Favella's dough are the views, if you can call 136 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: that a benefit in such poverty. We turn a corner 137 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: after five minutes, stomping up an almost vertical hill, and 138 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: agreeted with the natural beauty of the jungle in front 139 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: of us, lush leaves, thick branches, and green for miles 140 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: just around the corner. Though on the other side of 141 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: this strip, the view is the opposite. You can see 142 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: all the main roads into the Flavella from here, and 143 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: the normality of the city out in the distance. Suddenly 144 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: I hear the crackle of a radio. Behind us, there's 145 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: a young lad, dressed and a black t shirt with 146 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: a black cat and blue denim shorts, sat with a 147 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: few guns at a higher vantage point. He's a lookout, 148 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: watching here all day and informing his higher ups of 149 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: any suspicious activity. His plastic chair is placed within a 150 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: few feet of the front door of a makeshift house. 151 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: It's decorated out front with a mix of different brightly 152 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: colored flowers. There's even a little tor toys moving slowly 153 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: through the garden. A marvel at the tortoise as the 154 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: lookout moves around, putting his pistol into the band of 155 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: his trousers and nodding at us vaguely. He doesn't want 156 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: to talk, as he's busy working, beats friendly, and he 157 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: seems chilled out with us around. I reckon he's about 158 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: sixteen years old. In this area, despite the young gunman 159 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: keeping watch of everything, there is a lot less going 160 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: on and it does feel more peaceful socially. There's also 161 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: a subtle status hierarchy in some favelas, depending on how 162 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: high up you are. While in most city ties the 163 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: higher ground means wealth, in favelas the opposite is often true. 164 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: As I've said, residents at the bottom tend to have 165 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: better economic opportunities given their proximity to transport, employment, and services. 166 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: Those living at the top are usually more isolated and 167 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: have to navigate these long, steep hills. It's not uncommon 168 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: for people to have to carry water, fuel, or even 169 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: construction materials by hand up the hillside. Community investment and 170 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: urban upgrading projects typically begin in lower or mid level zones, 171 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: where access is easier and the property is more stable. 172 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: Higher up areas tend to be last in line for 173 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: improvements like lighting, pavements and public spaces. Ultimately, the higher 174 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: you go in a favela, the more precarious life can 175 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: be structurally, environmentally, and economically. I want to go even 176 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: further up to see what life is like there. Carlos 177 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: isn't sure. He makes a few calls. After a few minutes, 178 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: he gets a message. Basically, we have permission, but at 179 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: our own risk. The motorbike taxis will come to take 180 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: us further, but one of the gang members has to 181 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: radio each checkpoint first to let the gang members know 182 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: not to shoot us as we go past. It's taking 183 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: him a while to radio each checkpoint on the route 184 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: we're headed up. I'm happy about that, as he seems 185 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: to be doing a thorough job. I absolutely do not 186 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: want to get shot today or tomorrow or ever. Eventually 187 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: the bikes turn up. I catch a ride up to 188 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 2: the higher parts of Palat Fogato. After a few minutes 189 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: I arrived first. Not ideal. They've got to go back 190 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: down to get Carlos. They're pulled up to a wreck 191 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: area with a load of concrete benches, a children's playground, 192 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: and a mesh fence football court. There's around a dozen 193 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: well armed gang members set around the benches, both young 194 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: and older. As a unit, they're better around than the 195 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: shooters we saw further down. These lads have a variety 196 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: of different long barreled guns and side arms. At their hips. 197 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: They have AK pattern rifles, AR fifteen platform rifles, fil 198 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: para and G three A three. With all these guns 199 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: around just meters away in the courts, kids are playing 200 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 2: football and little children are watching. Gang members all look 201 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: at each other and certainly then at me and starting 202 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: to worry they didn't get the message don't shoot the gringo. 203 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: I put on my friendliest smile wave and I say 204 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: hi the kind of nod. Then look to an older 205 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: guy wearing all red with long hair down his back. 206 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: He's also the first person we've seen in the Favela 207 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: with a beard. He has a Saga twelve semi auto 208 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: shotgun slung over his shoulder and a whole belt of 209 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: red shotgun shells fastened around his waist. He's like Favella Rambo. 210 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: He nods to me and smiles white. Everyone relaxes a bit, 211 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: and Carlos arrives on the back of the bike. 212 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: Thanks. 213 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: Fuck, It's all good. Despite us being higher up, where 214 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: as I've mentioned Favella's usually become more impoverished. This is 215 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: actually a really nice neighborhood. The houses a makeshift and 216 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: piled up still sure on this street, at least, they're 217 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: all painted bright colors, green, pink, yellow. There were large 218 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: bushes with blooming, multi colored flowers growing out of the 219 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: tops of the flat roofs. A start to wonder if 220 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: maybe a CV boss lives in this area. The guy 221 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: with the combat shotgun who will call Red, and a 222 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: younger member of the local gang are about to head 223 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: off on a patrol of the area. They ask if 224 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: we can join them, and they shrug okay, and they 225 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: lead the way. The patrol is a pretty informal affair. 226 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: Two gang bangers wander around the area with their guns drawn, 227 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: but not like they're about to storm the front line. 228 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: It's more just in case. The purpose of these patrols 229 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: is to inspect the various CV checkpoints, to make sure 230 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: the gang members are all doing their job that and 231 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: to make sure there's no trouble in the neighborhood. It 232 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: occurs to me that in a strange way, this is 233 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: sort of what police back home do in the UK, 234 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: or at least what they used to do a bobby 235 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: on the beat. We call it as in police officers 236 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: who are assigned to a local area to walk about, 237 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: make sure things are okay, familiarize the people with the police. 238 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: Now though generally police in the UK chase after insignificant 239 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: nonsense and largely shy away from serious crime. I can't 240 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: even remember the last time I saw a police officer 241 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: get out of their car for anything other than an arrest, 242 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: but the concept still sits in my head. As we 243 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: walk around the upper levels of this Foravila neighborhood, CV 244 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: has really taken on the role of the authorities in 245 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: more ways than one, whether they realize it or not. 246 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: As we head down some uneven concrete steps out of 247 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: the more colorful neighborhoods, it becomes clear that actually this 248 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: area is more impoverished than the lower levels. The stench 249 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: of shits and sewages in the air. A few people 250 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: around look addicted to drugs. We move through a checkpoint 251 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: and the CV members on it look very high. They 252 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: giggle and laugh and say hello to us. It's not 253 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: ideal when they're all armed to the teeth. Red's nods 254 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: at them, says a few words checks the radio, and 255 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: we move off down a long set of stairs in 256 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: a narrow side street halfway. I want to know what 257 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: would happen if we encounter the police right now, if 258 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: the police come through here, what happens? Well, if the 259 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: lads there just said, without hesitation, we shoot a police 260 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: straight away, we can't let them into the favela. We 261 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: can't let them up here. This is not wann to 262 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: be tough guys shit either. These lads are totally serious. 263 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: They've probably already done it, almost without a doubt. It's 264 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: a matter of fact. It happens here regularly. The cops 265 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: kill them, they kill cops, the cops kill them, they 266 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: kill cops. It goes on and on. Like players said, 267 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: this is a war that will probably last till the 268 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: end of time. Just as we're about to keep moving, 269 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: an elderly man, maybe in its seventies, walks down the 270 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: steps behind us with two huge bags of rubbish. He's 271 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: trying to clean up the area or dump out his 272 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: own home waist. I don't know. The two gang members 273 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: part to let him through. The younger, I notice, immediately 274 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 2: puts his back to the wall and looks straight down 275 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: at the floor it's like a young kid put in 276 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: a dunce corner. I could be wrong by a sense 277 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: he feels some kind of shame. He's wearing a mask 278 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: over his head, so it's not that he wants to 279 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: hide his face, and yet still he hangs his head 280 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: so his chin is almost touching his chest. The old 281 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 2: fellow strides through the middle of us and doesn't look 282 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: up at the gang members or me for a single second. 283 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 2: He doesn't acknowledge any of us whatsoever. In my opinion, 284 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: his body language like this suggests he is absolutely not 285 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: a fan of these guys. It's a brief moment, but 286 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: I see it almost as a silent protest. Maybe I'm 287 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: looking into it too much. I don't know. These two 288 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: gunmen are basically the security of his neighborhood, impoverished young 289 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: men with guns who are untrained and unscrupulous. In every 290 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: neighborhood there's a batch of these CV foot soldiers armed 291 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: with black market guns. They're ready to fight at any time. 292 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: In fact, last year there were over two thousand, five 293 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: hundred shootings in this area of Real, Over one third 294 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: of them were during police operations. Hundreds of civilians have 295 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: been caught in the crossfire, and many don't even go 296 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: to the hospital for fears they'll be accused of gang activity. 297 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: Needless to say, the actual statistics are probably a lot higher. 298 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: Believe it or not, the life expectancy in a favela 299 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: like this is just forty eight years old. If you're 300 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: not killed in a gang shootout or by deprivation or 301 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: assassinated for something, you might just get shot to death 302 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: by the police. It is not at all uncommon. As 303 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: I've mentioned several times in this series, police brutality in 304 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 2: Brazil is a long standing issue, but in recent years 305 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: it's become even more severe, especially in the favelas and 306 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 2: poorer urban areas. Brazil has one of the highest rates 307 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: of police killings in the world. A lot of the 308 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: violence is tied to the so called war on drugs, 309 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: which is given the police a kind of unofficial license 310 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: to go in hard and ask questions later, if at all. 311 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: Here in Rio and in sal Paolo, operations often involve 312 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: armored vehicles rolling into densely populated areas where shootouts erupt 313 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: in broad daylight. Civilians frequently get caught in the crossfire, 314 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: and accountability for that is almost non existent. What I 315 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: find most shocking is the number of kids being killed. 316 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three, for example, police in Rio killed hundreds 317 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: of people during operations, many of them just teenagers. These 318 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: deaths are often justified as the result of confrontations with gangbangers, 319 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: but investigations are very rare, So who even knows. Would 320 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: you trust the word of a police force that is 321 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: known to form a legal militias and deal drugs themselves. 322 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. Even if cases do get investigated, they rarely 323 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: lead to prosecution. Video evidence and witness testimony is routinely ignored, 324 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: and the cops involved in such killings are usually back 325 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: out on the streets in just days. People living here 326 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: in the favelas often describe feeling under sieged by the 327 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 2: police rather than protected. It's no wonder It's not just 328 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: a few bad apple cops either. All the evidence suggests 329 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 2: that this is a deeply embedded problem within the system 330 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: here in Brazil, and many of these units are part 331 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: of the elite forces like BOPE who are spoken about 332 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: in a previous episode. They operate with heavy firepower and 333 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: little oversight. Politicians often praise these aggressive tactics as being 334 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: quote unquote tough on crime, especially during election cycles. We 335 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: are surprise the sickly former president Bolsonaro put this mentality 336 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: on steroids when he openly encouraged police to kill suspected 337 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: criminals and promised legal protection for those who did. Obviously, 338 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: that emboldened any local forces that were out for blood. 339 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: Due to the nature of the combat in the favelas, 340 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: there were no end of cops looking to take scalps. 341 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: Community activists and human rights groups have been pushing back, 342 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 2: but they face serious risks too. Some have been targeted 343 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: or even killed for speaking out. In the end, it's 344 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: the people living in the favelas who pay the ultimate price. 345 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: The cycle of violence keeps turning, and the gap between 346 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: the state and its citizens keeps growing. Nothing gets resolved. 347 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: The next day I arrived early in the favela and 348 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 2: it turns out we've been invited into the home of 349 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: a local who lives under CV rule but is a 350 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: civilian by choice. He has no intentions to join the 351 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: gang and hopes to make it as a successful rapper. 352 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: He goes by the name Flows, and he is completely 353 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 2: uninvolved in gang activity. Let me be clear, he wants 354 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: to keep it that way. This lab wasn't brought to 355 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: us by CV either. This is not some fake press tour. 356 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: It's a friend of a very trusted friend of mine 357 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: that put us in touch. For me, this is a 358 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: perfect opportunity to speak to a civilian in his own home. 359 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: Here in the favela. We head up an extremely steep 360 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 2: hill to meet floats. You almost have to put your 361 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: hands out as you walk up it. As soon as 362 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 2: we arrive, Flows is out. He's ready. A spot him 363 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: at the back door of an alleyway that leads to 364 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: his small favela rented dwelling. 365 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: The sweir Ai. 366 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: You we're going this way. I instantly like his vibe. 367 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 2: He's clearly full of energy and he embraces me warmly, 368 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: like we're old friends. He's in his early twenties, skinny 369 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: with a little goatey beard, a baggy T shirt and 370 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: a flat peak cap with Jay Diller embroidered into the 371 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: front of it. Jay Diller being the highly influential American 372 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 2: hip hop producer and rapper known for his work with 373 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: artists like a tribe called Quest and Common. A follow 374 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: flows into his house. It's small, airy, and honestly pretty cozy. 375 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: The walls are all bare concrete as are the floors, 376 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: but Flows has made it his own. There are world 377 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: maps on the walls, an old worn out punch bag 378 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: hanging from the ceiling, and a desk with a laptop 379 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: and various different music equipments spilling over it. Seeing as 380 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: me and my team are from the UK, Flows tells 381 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: us he has a drill beat ready and wants to 382 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: show us his rapping ability. Now, if you don't speak Portuguese, 383 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: his verses what makes sense to you? But I'm gonna 384 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: let it play in full anyway, as I don't think 385 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: it matters if you don't understand Flows is a hidden 386 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: for talent. Trust me on this. 387 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: By the movie transiender save such result. 388 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: So NOI. 389 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: D c in pretty good but sabi if Finnish persona 390 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: TV forma bid a familiar for find my spook kadi videos, 391 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: I said, say d v V Christ and all that 392 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: ten dollars ron bb. So I'm see in drug a 393 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: quasarity taking a pointing ida them to do a bit. 394 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: And some. 395 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: Present brotig chill knack and child nu paid might say 396 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: grid no pre seas I say by six Swish paid 397 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: to balakom. They just said invitas. I say paid lad 398 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: hev Stad will be need come to chill, chill pay 399 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: and I might say grid no pre seas I say 400 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: by six sush paid to Balakom. He just said ina, 401 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: I say paid to lad he Shtad will be neat 402 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: we commit. 403 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: That's so there's a there's a lot of like, you know, 404 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: gang activity around here. Do you find it hard to 405 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: kind of stay away from that and just keep track 406 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: doing your own thing with your music or is there 407 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: a kind of like maybe a pressure where you feel 408 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: maybe you would be doing better if you did join 409 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: the gang or something like that. 410 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: These people grow up close to complicate the situations. It's 411 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 3: not compulsory to join, you know. I notice because music 412 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 3: rescue me. In the favela. We are hostages off the system. 413 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: The system brings nothing good to us. The system only 414 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: comes here to kill. 415 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: As someone that's growing up in this community, you were 416 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: born here, raised here, you live here. Still it's run 417 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: by CV. What do you think of the police. We 418 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: haven't seen any, but I understand when they do come 419 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: here things really kick off. As a local, what's your 420 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: perception of the cops here? 421 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: Would that police? 422 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 3: I don't feel safe aroundto police in the community when 423 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: they come here. In almost all cases, it's to hurt people. 424 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: They want to build a completely desensitized society. The police 425 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: have a lot to do with this, because it's like 426 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 3: they have pushed people to become monsters. 427 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: So when you're out of the favela and you're in 428 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: like the main areas of real the less impoverished areas, 429 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: how do you feel, do you feel like that's the 430 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: same place or not? Because for us, honestly, it feels 431 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: like the government has completely abandoned the favelas and only 432 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: cares about like downtown. 433 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, how does it feel to you satiategy quality. 434 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: I feel a very strong collective instinct here. You have respect, 435 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: affection and a great admiration for the people you see 436 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 3: there through good times and bad. In the cities, it's 437 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 3: more difficult because people are very elitis. They have ideas. 438 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: They are totally different form a collective one. In many 439 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: buildings they don't even great dormant, they don't even know 440 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: their neighbors even though they have lived there for years. 441 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: Do you have any fear of like CV or because 442 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: you see them they're up and down here that arms Obviously, 443 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: there's a lot of violence when the police come in. 444 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: Is that something you feel as a local, like you 445 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: scared of them? Or do you feel like they protect you. 446 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 3: We have learned to get used to it because our 447 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: reality is in a certain way safer. Who can I 448 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: explain this? Like here, if I leave my window open, 449 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 3: I know no one will rob my house, no one 450 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: steals from anyone here, so in a way I feel 451 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: more at ease. However, we should never normalize it to 452 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 3: ans like we have here because we know many people 453 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: who are in CB and it's a very risky lifestyle, 454 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: so to normalize this would be psychotics. 455 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: Have you lost anyone due to this life? A yah? 456 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I will tell you. He was a really 457 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: good kid, a very nice person. Renato died at the 458 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: top of a gatro. The police were hiding inside a 459 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: children's nursery. Bro. A nursery should be used for good things. 460 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 3: Military police hiding there and they kill him. 461 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: He was a good dad. 462 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 3: Now his son is growing up to be a beautiful kid. Bro. 463 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: I am tired of this. 464 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 3: This is how we live in the favela. A favela 465 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: resident is always discriminated against. Regardless of where you're at, 466 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: you will always be a sass. 467 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: How does it work if someone comes into your house 468 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: when you're not here still with a lot of stuff 469 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: and then gone, like, who do you go to say 470 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: you have a dispute? Are you able to go to 471 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: CV to like deal with disputes. 472 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: Like that or not? 473 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: That's an impossible situation. There is no way the favailables 474 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: will that it happen here. 475 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: With this, Flows starts laughing. I think the message is clear. 476 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: No one would dare act top in the Favela when 477 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: CV is around. You've been listening to the White Days 478 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: podcast next week, the final part of Favela Government. To 479 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: watch independent of Waydays documentaries, subscribe to our channel at 480 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: YouTube dot com slash at Awaydaze TV. Your Way Day's 481 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 2: Podcast is a production of H eleven Studio for Cool 482 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: Zone Media. 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