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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Sheriff's investigators

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. But what do we know? What do

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Speaker 1: Levi Page, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what can

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Speaker 1: the possibility of parole. Emily Weaver. Police had the baby

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Speaker 1: During sentencing, the twenty one year old told the court quote,

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer. You can find her

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Speaker 1: at inc Domestic law dot com Kathleen Murphy. Again, many

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Speaker 1: people are outraged that she got life without parole. Can

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Speaker 1: What are the chances she will win on another appeal? Well,

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Speaker 1: In fact, Nancy, there was an appeal that she had

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Speaker 1: The expert that testified at her resentencing was clearly put

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Speaker 1: It was a very very appropriate sentence. This was a

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Speaker 1: Court has upheld the conviction of Emily Weaver, a former

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Speaker 1: was found guilty by a jury of aggravated murder, abuse

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Speaker 1: the sorority house on campus. The baby died of asphyxiation,

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Speaker 1: according to preliminary autopsy reports. To doctor Michelle Dupree, how

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Speaker 1: you can do that. You can oftentimes find PATIKII with

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Speaker 1: Was it smothered with a pillow, was it strangled? Those

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Speaker 1: But we look at things like that, guys. We know

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Speaker 1: that The district court judges found that Emily Weaver's other

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Speaker 1: other evidence of the murderer psychological repercussions her behaviors likely

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Speaker 1: it was argued that because the baby died after being

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Speaker 1: don't know, doctor Michelle Duprie. Could the baby have died

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Speaker 1: six mensions. We also know to Kathleen Murphy family lawyer

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction to review Weaver's life sentence for aggravated murder. They

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Speaker 1: can review other things, but not sentencing because that's set

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Speaker 1: forth by the legislature. That is correct. They did review

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Speaker 1: other matters and she lost that review hearing, and so

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Speaker 1: she is set firmly exactly where she needs to be

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Speaker 1: life in prison without the possibility of parole ever the end,

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Speaker 1: and thank God, because that baby had been absolutely murdered.

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Speaker 1: The case now on appeal again and we wait till

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Speaker 1: justice sun falls. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off my

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