1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Can if I am six forty you're listening to the 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: John Cobel Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. We're on from 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: one until four and then after four o'clock John Cobelt 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Show on demand on the iHeart app. And we covered 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: quite a bit today. Did a thorough examination of Gene 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Block testifying as the UCLA Chancellor and making a fool 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: of himself, and then the outbreak of the new UCLA protests, 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: and you could if you listen to the podcasts, you 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: could hear it happening live with Chris Adler on the scene. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: Let's go now, I'm gonna go on the phone with 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Heather McDonald. We've had around a number of times over 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: the years. She's a writer at the Manhattan Institute, writes 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: for the City Journal, and she does a lot of research. 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: And she has a new piece called California's Looming Crime Catastrophe. 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: And you may have thought we are living through the 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: worst of California's crime catastrophe. No, there's more coming potentially 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: and it would be even worse, and we're going to 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: get Heather on now to talk about it. 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald, welcome, Thanks. 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: For having me on. John. Great to be with you. 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: So when I first saw the headline, I'm thinking, now, 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: what could be worse than what we're living through now? 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: And then after reading the story, you sold me, man, 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: this is bad stuff coming now. It can get a 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: little complicated, So I know you can explain this, so 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, the average person can understand. There was this 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: legislative change to the criminal code and it's a lot 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: of bad guys are potentially going to get resentenced and 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: maybe get out early. So give us the whole story 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: as best you can. 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: Well, this is a law passed in twenty twenty that 32 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 3: basically says that if you're a black criminal, you can 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: defeat your arrest, your prosecution. You're sentencing by saying that 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: you're black and alleging that in the past black defendants 35 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: were unfairly treated by the criminal justice system. You make 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: that charge with phonies to sticks again based not on 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: your current treatment, but on the treatment of people in 38 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: the past, and you potentially, under this so called Racial 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: Justice Act, a get out of jail free card. This 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: allows people that are currently facing prosecution to defeat their prosecution, 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: and as of this year, it is now retroactive, so 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: minority criminals who are now sitting in a California prison 43 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: can go to court and say, in the past, California 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 3: treated black defendants unfairly, therefore I should be let out. 45 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: And the amazing thing about this, John is that it 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: does not require a defendant to show that he has 47 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 3: been treated unfairly. All he needs to allege is that 48 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: other defendants were treated unfairly. This would be like if 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 3: you were yourself accused of a crime and the prosecutor said, well, well, 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: I don't have to prove that you're guilty, but I 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 3: know that in the past people of your same race 52 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: were guilty, Therefore you're guilty. This is just as much 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: a travesty of due process of law and justice as 54 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 3: such a prosecution would be. 55 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: I realized you just said this, but I just have 56 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: to say it out loud again because it's so insane. 57 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: So a black defendant can come to a judge and 58 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: say that other people of my race have been treated 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: unfairly and prosecuted unfairly, therefore I have too, and I 60 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: deserve a new sentence. 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: And that's right. And he doesn't have to prove. 62 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: He doesn't even in any way have to indicate that 63 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: he was treated wrongly. It's just that other people at 64 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: another time who happened to share his skin color were 65 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: treated unfairly. 66 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: Say any listener, any listener who has any trace of skepticism, 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: would say, you are lying, but I am telling you 68 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: for batim. They actually said it is too hard. That 69 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: the drafters of this law, a San Jose Congressman Ash 70 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: Calraw and his supporters said it's too hard to prove 71 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: discrimination in an individual case. That was the standard by 72 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: a Supreme Court president that if a defendant wants to 73 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: say I'm being treated with racial discrimination, he has to 74 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: show that he particularly has been treated with racial discrimination. 75 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: It's not enough to say that in the past black 76 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: defendants were mistreated. The law explicitly, deliberately overturns that precedent 77 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: and says, no longer does a defendant need to show 78 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: that the police officer who arrested him was biased, that 79 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: the prosecutor was biased, that the judge was biased. They 80 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: could all be immaculately colorblind. And John, that is the 81 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: case in almost all the criminal justice is in today, 82 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: and he still gets off free. 83 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned and you wrote about this Supreme Court decision 84 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: which said that you the defendant has to prove that 85 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: you suffered discrimination when you were convicted of a crime. Well, 86 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: if that is a Supreme Court case that stands as law, 87 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: how does this California law even exists, let alone be implemented. 88 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: Well, this gets into sort of the legal fictions of 89 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: the law, and it gets very complicated. The Supreme Court 90 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 3: case McCleskey v. Camp, and anybody went to law school 91 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 3: probably knows the case from nineteen eighty seven is if 92 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: you are suing under the equal protection clause of the Constitution, 93 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: and you're saying I suffered a constitutional violation and therefore 94 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: I should have redressed under the fourteenth Amendment. This law, 95 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: it's a California state statute, and so a defendant can say, 96 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: I'm not making a constitutional equal protection claim, I'm making 97 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: a state law claim under the Racial Justice Act, and 98 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: therefore the state gets to create completely new standards. 99 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: For this and this and this is going to hold. 100 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: This is I know this law passed several years ago. 101 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: This is actually going to stick. 102 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: It's been sticking. The decisions that have been coming out 103 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: of California courts are absolutely appalling. John. They allow the 104 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: defense bar, They allow public defenders to demand a decade's 105 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: worth of documents from overwork to District Attorney's offices in 106 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: order to make these phony statistical claims. This is a 107 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: way leaving aside just the fact of the ridiculous standard 108 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: of proof, which is zero. It's a way of burying 109 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 3: District Attorney's offices under document requests that they have no 110 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: funding to fulfill. The state legislature appropriated money for the 111 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: Public Defenders Offices to bring Racial Justice Act complaints. It 112 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: appropriated no money to District Attorney's offices to try and 113 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: respond to these complaints. 114 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: Can you continue for another segment, of course, Okay, We'll 115 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: continue with HEATHERN. McDonald from the Manhattan Institute, and she 116 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: writes in the City Journal about California's looming crime CATASTROPHOIX. 117 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: I think she explained it extremely well. We will talk 118 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: more on it when we come back. 119 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 120 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 4: six forty. 121 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: We continue now with Heather McDonald, writer and a researcher 122 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: for a Manhattan Institute. It writes for the City Journal. 123 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: She's authored many books and many articles. Her latest piece 124 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: is entitled California Is Looming Crime Catastrophe. The easiest way 125 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: to explain this is, if you are a convicted black felon, 126 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: you can go to court now for resentencing based on 127 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: racial bias. Not against you, but in the past there 128 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: was bias against maybe other people in your racial group. 129 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: You don't need any evidence that had happened in your 130 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: particular case, just they used statistical evidence from other people, 131 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: maybe from a long time ago. This really got through 132 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: the legislature somehow, and we're going to talk with more 133 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: about this with Heather. Heather, I mean, from what I'm 134 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: reading here, this thing got through the legislature and wasn't 135 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: even debated publicly, and it seems like not everybody in 136 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: Sacramento even knew this got through. 137 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the last minute deal after the George 138 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: Floyd race riots. And they used, you know, questionable parliamentary 139 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: procedures such as gutt and the mend where you take 140 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: one law that's sort of gotten through committees but it's languishing, 141 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: and then you take out the text and you put 142 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 3: in new text. And the police unions were diverted with 143 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: other things and this past, and the author himself says, well, 144 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: they didn't really know what we did, but now they 145 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: sure do. And the defense bar, the ACLU representative have said, 146 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: this is the potential to unravel an unjust system. This 147 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: is the dawn of a new era. They are the 148 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: defense bar and the race activists are just absolutely ecstatic 149 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: about this law. And John, you've been you gave it 150 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 3: actually too much credulity. You've presented it in far too 151 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: positive a way. There's two problems. There's the problem first 152 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: that it does not require a defendant to show that 153 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 3: his particular prosecution has been racially biased. But the statistical 154 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: evidence itself that he's allowed to present to allege that 155 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: in the past there wereroblems in the criminal justice system 156 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: is completely phony. It is completely statistically weak unjustified, because 157 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: in order to show that there's been racial bias in 158 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: the past, you need to show that let's say a 159 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: group of black defendants and a group of white defendants 160 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: were equally situated, they committed crimes of equal heinousness, they 161 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: had criminal histories of equal heinousness, and yet the black 162 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: defendants received much worse sentences. If that were the case, 163 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: then you could start to say, boy, that looks like 164 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: that we've got a problem here. But in order to 165 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 3: make that judgment that there was racial bias in the 166 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 3: treatment of these two groups. They need to be similarly situated. 167 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 3: They need to have the same criminal histories. They need 168 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: to have committed crimes of equal severity. Those two requirements 169 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: have been thrown out. There was a landmark ruling in 170 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three out of Contra Costa County in California v. Wyndham, 171 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: where the judge basically said, there's no showing here that 172 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: we have equal histories. But I am not going to 173 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: assume that blacks commit worse crimes than anybody else. Therefore, 174 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to assume there's racial justice even though you 175 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 3: have not shown that the two groups are similarly situated. 176 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: And so now all a defense attorney needs to do 177 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: is get together a comparison group for black defendants. They 178 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: can be made up of completely differently situated groups, and 179 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: if they have different sentences, that's going to prove by 180 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: us that is not a legitimate process. It is a 181 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: violation of the most basic rules of comparing like to like. 182 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: Is there any way to get this reversed or thrown 183 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: out by a court? With all that you explain here, 184 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: it seems like somebody would have filed a lawsuit about 185 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: it to stop it. 186 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: I agree, because it you would think it would present 187 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: various problems of equal protection, not under the case we 188 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: were talking about before, but now going forward, that black 189 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: defendants get to make arguments that are not available to 190 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: other people. But there's been no there's been no cases 191 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: filed so far. I know a few groups in California 192 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: now that I've alerted people to this that are looking 193 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: into it. But would I would hope, but I'm not 194 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 3: sure there've been. 195 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: I just would think that most people, black, white, and 196 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: every other possibility would agree that you should be sentenced. 197 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: You should be convicted and sentence based on what you did, 198 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: not the color of your skin. That should have nothing 199 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: to do with the conviction or the sentencing. I think 200 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: that would get overwhelming support from the public. That's why 201 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that this would stand well. 202 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: This law is the realization of the academic theory of 203 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: systemic racism and critical race theory. There's lots of people 204 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: in academia who believe that everything about the criminal justice 205 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 3: system is systemically racist, and so it's superfluous to prove 206 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: in any individual case actual bias because we just know 207 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: that bias is baked into the system. So there's a 208 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: lot of people who believe that, but I agree with you, 209 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people who don't. 210 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: And of course any people in academia who are in 211 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: that business believe in it, or at least they're making 212 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: good money believing in it. But any normal person listening 213 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: right now, black or white, would say this is nuts. 214 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: Well, I hope that if somebody doesn't take this to court. 215 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: It seems to me that this is a good case 216 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: for a referendum to repeal this law because the public. 217 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: It's not even the public who's unaware of it. When 218 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: I was researching this, most lawyers in the state are 219 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: unaware of it. It's been operating underneath the radar. But 220 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: you've had rulings like if a police officer uses the 221 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: phrase high crime area to describe a crime area as 222 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: one of the factors that went into his decision to 223 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: make a stop of a federal felon on parole with 224 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: a gun in his car, that is a sign of 225 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: racial bias, according to race expert Dante King. So and 226 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: if a judge says, well, I don't really think there's 227 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: an it's necessarily going to be the case that every 228 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: group commits crime at equal rates. That grounds for disqualifying. 229 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: A San Diego Superior Court judge said, I'm not sure 230 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: I believe the criminal justice system is systemically biased, and 231 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: I need more proof that you know there's discrimination against 232 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: black defendants, and then that their higher rates of incarceration 233 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: is not a response to their higher rates of criminal offending. 234 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: Side note that is the case. The reason blacks are 235 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: in prison at much higher rates is because they commit 236 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: crime at much higher rates in California. In Los Angeles, 237 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 3: for example, blacks are homicide suspects at fifty seven times 238 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: the rate of whites. Anyway, the San Diego judge who 239 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: expressed a sentilla of skepticism about the academic theory of 240 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: systemic racism has now been disbarred from hearing Racial Justice 241 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: Acted cases because unless you're on board with critical race 242 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: theory as a judge, now that means you are not 243 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: really legitimately part of the criminal justice system. This thing 244 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: is moving very fast, John, and it's time that we 245 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: start speaking the truth about crime, criminal offending, criminal victimization. 246 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: We do have racial disparities and incarceration. Nobody can deny 247 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: that the facts are there. But the facts are also 248 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: there that blacks are victimized at much higher rates, and 249 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: they're committing crime at much higher rates. In Los Angeles again, 250 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: blacks commit robbery at thirty six times the rate of whites. 251 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: How do we know that it's not the allegedly racist police, 252 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: it's the victims of and witnesses to those robberies, who 253 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: are themselves, often minorities, giving descriptions to the police. The 254 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: bodies don't lie. Black juveniles are shot at one hundred 255 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: times the rate of white juveniles in the post George 256 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: Floyd race riot era. The bodies don't lie. Who's shooting 257 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: those black juveniles at one hundred times the rate at 258 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: which white juveniles are being shot other blacks. If whites 259 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: were shooting blacks at that rate, we would be hearing 260 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: about that every single night on MSNBC and CNBC, and 261 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: we're not because it's not happening. Biden's story go ahead. 262 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: No, I just have to have to take a break 263 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: out to do the news. I thank you for coming on, 264 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: and we'll talk again about this, all right. Thanks done, 265 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: all right, Heather McDonald from the City Journal and the 266 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: Manhattan Institute. 267 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM. 268 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: Six forty five everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Connway coming 269 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: up at four o'clock. If you missed today's show, you 270 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: ought to hear what we just did with Heather McDonald 271 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: from a city journal in the Manhattan Institute about this 272 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: law that got snuck in a few years ago, and 273 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: it's going to allow some violent felons to get resentenced. 274 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: It takes a little bit to explain, so I would 275 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: listen to the podcast the three o'clock hour when you 276 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: get a chance. Do you remember the woman who crashed 277 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: into all the cars on the four or five going 278 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: the wrong way? 279 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: You love to see her picture. 280 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: Oh, she's got the craziest picture after the crashing into 281 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: those bloody face, bloody face eyes bugging out. I judge people, 282 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: if their eyes bug out, you do. Yeah, that is 283 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: a sign of insanity. I don't know, well drug squads. 284 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: That what if somebody's really scared. 285 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: But it just means they're all jacked up emotionally, right. Yeah, 286 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: and at the sight of bugged out eyes, I run, 287 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: I get out of the room. 288 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, you don't have bugdad eyes. I'll tell 289 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: you if you get them though. 290 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 5: Okay, thanks please do, because I don't think that's an. 291 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: Attractive look on me, because then you'll be scary. 292 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: Well, the La Times did a profile with a lot 293 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: of details on this woman's life. Her name is Lisa 294 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: Ann Heflin, and she came here all the way from Oakville, Missouri, 295 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: just to commit all the damage that she committed. We 296 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: should go back to how this started. It was four 297 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: point thirty in the morning on Friday, and she was 298 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: living in her car. I'll tell you how she got 299 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: here and it ended up in her car. But she 300 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: was in her car and she started screaming, and the 301 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: other homeless people I they called police. 302 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: They were scared. Yes, well they saw the eyes. 303 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: So they went to third and Rose Avenue in Venice, 304 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: of course, and she started arguing with police, and she 305 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: was standing next to a white van parked diagonally toward 306 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: the curb, said one homeless guy who was living in 307 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: his van. She woke me up from a dead sleep 308 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: yelling in the middle of the street, and police tried 309 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: to calm her, but she continued to continued to argue. 310 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: A second person, Janis James, a musician, living in her 311 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: car around the corner. 312 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: All the witnesses are people who live in their cars. 313 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Saw the woman jump into the van, read the engine 314 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: several times. Pulling out of the parking lot, Florida, reverse 315 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: rammed the police suv, knocked the suv back about three feet, 316 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: and then she sped down the street fifty miles an 317 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: hour and the police started to chasing her. She's driving erradically, 318 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: crashing into other police vehicles. Finally got onto the four 319 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: h five and went in the wrong direction before crashing 320 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: into two other cars and a tractor trailer. 321 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: And that's the part that we all saw on television, 322 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: white the chase. Okay, what led up to that moment? 323 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: Well, she, by the way, she's charged with ten counts 324 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: of assault on a peace officer, four counts assault with 325 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: the deadly weapon, one count of fleeing, driving recklessly, one 326 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: count of hit and run, driving one hundred and fifty 327 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth of damage, nine cops injured, and five 328 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: police vehicles smashed up. That is some morning the lady had. 329 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: She's a mother of four. She left all her kids 330 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: behind in Missouri. 331 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: She's a mother of four. 332 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: Uh huh. Her kids range from elementary school to teenager. 333 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: She did not have full custody of them. Sounds like 334 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: maybe a marriage busted up. I do want to talk 335 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: to the husband. I can't imagine what was going on there. 336 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: She decided she was going to drive out to la 337 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: and she chronicled her journey on Facebook, X and TikTok 338 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: and in her post, she's wearing her hair long and dark. 339 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: Now when you saw her her her hair was very 340 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: short and colored reddish. 341 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: Looked like maybe something. 342 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, some of it looks like dyed pink unless that's 343 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: the light, she wrote in her TikTok bio Chasing my 344 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: dreams as a California daydreamer. She had photos of her 345 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: kids on social media, and her friends started posting saying, 346 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: have you heard from you in almost a week? Getting worried, 347 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: hope you're okay. She wrote dozens of messages a day, 348 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: links to videos to Eminem, Tupac, Shakur, Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg. 349 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: This lady was a rap fiend. Then she started writing 350 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: crazy in capital letters. I got news for you. That 351 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: road you don't follow the laws of jay walking illegal 352 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: might be the death of you. I read that verbatim. 353 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: Do not come speak to me for any reason, she 354 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: wrote in capital letters and then she started comparing herself 355 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: to Tupac Shakur and Eminem and claimed she was persecuted, 356 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: started arguing about music on the radio, started making comments 357 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: about attempted murder on the road and other threats. Accused 358 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: unnamed people of doing terrible things to get closer to 359 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: cozying up to celebrities. She ended with the question do 360 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: you like my van? One of one of the guys 361 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, who was living in his car, said 362 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: she appeared to be under the influence of drugs and 363 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: was incoherent at times. You can't help but to speak 364 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: someone like that when you're all parked close together. Do 365 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: you know when people lose their minds? They come here? 366 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: They don't they don't. They don't go to Montana the weather. 367 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: They don't go to Nebraska, North Carolina. 368 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: They come here with sunny California. They go to. 369 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: Venice because they figured out in Venice there are no laws. 370 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna stop You gonna meet other crazy people who'll 371 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: be happy to argue with you in the streets at 372 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: four in the morning. 373 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: O my god, have you have you ever gone to 374 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: Rose Street? 375 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: Yes? 376 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 5: I have yet, yet I know somebody that that owned 377 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 5: a salon owns well they may still it might it 378 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 5: may be a rental. 379 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't know what it's like now, but 380 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: it was one of the worst places in Venice for 381 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: a long time. 382 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 5: And those homes on the canals, they're so expensive. 383 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: But then you're wow, and you know, the only the 384 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: only thing that made any sense in this whole story 385 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: was Tracy Park, the city councilman, councilwoman, and she's my 386 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: city councilwoman, and she wrote, this is the failed social 387 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: experiment unfolding in real time. This is not a housing crisis, 388 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: it's a behavior crisis. We need the resources and legal 389 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: tools tools to get unstable, dangerous people out of our neighborhoods. 390 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: Those who are a few services continually cannot choose to 391 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: remain on the streets, terrorizing neighborhoods and endangering lives. And 392 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: that's the key to this is you can't let this 393 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: crazy lady live in the street and act like a lunatic. 394 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: You have to force her into some kind of treatment 395 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: program or jail. And the day they do that in 396 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles is the day a lot of this stuff 397 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: goes away. You just have the guys with the guns 398 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: show up and say sorry, you can't live like this. 399 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: People want to sleep in the neighborhood. You got your choice. 400 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: You go to a mental health clinic or you go 401 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: to jail. You choose. It's not hard, it's really easy. 402 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: And it is a failed social experiment. All right, more 403 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: coming up. 404 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobbels on demand from KFI AM 405 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 4: six forty. 406 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: Conway's coming up in just a few minutes. Well, here 407 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: is good news. If it could happen in Portland, it 408 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: could happen anywhere. We talked about it earlier this week, 409 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: and it's official now as of yesterday. The district Attorney 410 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: Mike Schmidt in Portland, Oregon, specifically, it's Multnoma County lost. 411 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: And Mike Schmidt was the George Gascone of Portland. He 412 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: was one of these neutered Weiener millennial hipster guys with 413 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: the beard and the glasses, the whole look right. And 414 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: he cut the number of prosecutions where they usually averaged 415 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: about sixteen thousand a year to six thousand. And it 416 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: has been the worst disaster in Portland, which was like 417 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: San Francisco, formerly a nice city. 418 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: Homicides hit a record high. 419 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: They had to declare a state of an emergency because 420 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: all the people dead in the streets from fentanyl. The 421 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 1: cops quit in huge numbers, and they all blamed it 422 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: on Mike Schmidt because of his anti police rhetorican policies. 423 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: Not only that, twenty two thousand people moved out of 424 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: Portland because they'd had enough. So the replacement is Nathan Vasquez, 425 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: a centrist and a former Republican. 426 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: Does this sound familiar? This is going to be a 427 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: story in. 428 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: LA when Nathan Hawkman beats Gascone and his campaign was 429 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: to end public drug use and drug dealing, repair relations 430 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: with the police, and return the District Attorney's office to 431 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: prosecuting crimes. Oh hold on, grab my heart, nearly lost consciousness. Yes, 432 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: we have a district attorney and wants to prosecute crimes. 433 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: So now Chesaboudine got kicked out in San Francisco and 434 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: in Portland you've got Mike Schmidt has been kicked out 435 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: by the voters. And will LA make three in November? 436 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: If they do it in Portland and San Francisco, they're 437 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: going to do it here because, believe it or not, 438 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: we were only half as crazy as those two. 439 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: Suits and there is no Conway. There's no Conway. I 440 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 2: was lying, it's Mark Tomash. 441 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, well Conway is away, so I am going to 442 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 6: be sitting in. Although I loved your show, I almost 443 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 6: wish you could just continue. Yeah, good insights, you got 444 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 6: good gas, you. 445 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: Got a good you know, back and forth, going for 446 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: the right price. It's radio. 447 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 6: We're all for sale. 448 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah I know. Yeah, that's what I always tell people. 449 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: Did you do this? Would you do that? I said, 450 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: there's a price on everything. 451 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 6: UCLA, I asked, Matt. I just passed from the hallway 452 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 6: met Money Smith from KLAC. 453 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: I said. 454 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 6: He said, oh, you're here for Conway. I said, yeah, 455 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 6: does he want to come in, you know, just step through? 456 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 6: He said, I only do paid appearances. So it's very 457 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 6: much in keeping with what you just said. 458 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: Oh, he hosted a couple of days, I know, and 459 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: so he started getting paid for this. This is and 460 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: it's like he's not going back to being an unpaid guest. 461 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 6: Sure the double dipping he's gotten used to it U 462 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 6: c LA. This has been testimony that was much anticipated 463 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 6: by the Chancellor, the testimony before Congress. So Steve Gregory 464 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 6: has monitor every second of it. But we're certainly aware 465 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 6: of the broad strokes, but the actual back and forth, 466 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 6: we'll talk a little bit about that. These are the 467 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 6: pro Palestine Yeah, protesters, of course. 468 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: That was entertaining testimony today. 469 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 6: And once you yeah, I mean, I don't know how 470 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 6: these university presidents and chancellors don't think. 471 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: He was getting hit from both sides. He was getting 472 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: hit from right and the left there, which. 473 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: Because there's not a right or left. 474 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: No, because the Jews and the Palestinian kids were all 475 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: getting beat up. 476 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, truy, and you go, I don't know and 477 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 6: wrapped up in it is everything wrong, you know? So 478 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 6: the federal government agreeing to a fifteen million dollars fine 479 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 6: for the disasters to railment at East Palestine, Ohio. Yes, 480 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 6: the other Palestine, Yeah, and the other Palestine did no, 481 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 6: no protesters, but lawyers involved in that one. Pico Rivera's 482 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 6: in the news. The DMV's in the news are going 483 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 6: to big all right, John, let's get it going. 484 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: Thompson in for Conway. Michael Krazer has the news live 485 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: and he can't. 486 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: Fight twenty four hour newser Hey, you've been listening to 487 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: the John Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the 488 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: show live on KFI Am six forty from one to 489 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: four pm every Monday through Friday, and of course anytime 490 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: on demand on the iHeartRadio app