Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison sands Lauren Zema today because we are on
Speaker 1: the road. I'm not in the friendly confines of Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1: I've hit the road. I was at an amazing charity event,
Speaker 1: the TGR Foundation. It's Tiger Woods Foundation for all his
Speaker 1: learning centers and his learning labs. Awesome, awesome foundation that
Speaker 1: I love to support. I won't dive into my golfing
Speaker 1: as I know that Lauren Zema is somewhere right now
Speaker 1: dozing off as I start to talk about sports. And
Speaker 1: I also won't talk anything other than about my guest
Speaker 1: today because I am so excited, and maybe the only
Speaker 1: other person that would be more excited than me is
Speaker 1: Lauren Zema, who got me into watching the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Salt Lake City. When I tell you I've never
Speaker 1: watched an episode of any of these franchises ever, I'm
Speaker 1: not exaggerating. Lauren sat me down Meredith Marx, who joins
Speaker 1: me now, and she said, you have to watch Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City. It is the best. I said, great, I'm
Speaker 1: all in. I love reality TV. I stopped the TV.
Speaker 1: I paused it after the Supertease because I lost my mind.
Speaker 1: This show is so damn good, Meredith, It's crazy. I
Speaker 1: literally I stopped it after the Super Tees episode one
Speaker 1: and I said, this might be the greatest show I've
Speaker 1: never watched. How is everybody not talking about this? And
Speaker 1: I realize She's like, you're an idiot because everyone is
Speaker 1: talking about it. We love Lauren, So thank you. Thank
Speaker 1: you for being here enjoining me and talking all things
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. But also we'll get into our lives
Speaker 1: and they kind of mirror each other. As I was
Speaker 1: doing my research on you, we kind of have very
Speaker 1: similar paths of getting married very young and making a
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. But Salt Lake City, this show captured
Speaker 1: my imagination. You guys are so much better than any
Speaker 1: other housewife show. Well, thank you.
Speaker 2: I of course appreciated. What is the magic sauce of
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City? You know, I think it's a lot
Speaker 2: of chaos. Like we're all wired very very differently. Just
Speaker 2: the way we process information is completely different. With you know,
Speaker 2: the backdrop of Utah, which is obviously magnificently gorgeous. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then all this, you know, religion comes into play
Speaker 2: because of the Mormon church being there, and so it's
Speaker 2: like all these very unusual elements I don't think are
Speaker 2: really a part of any other Housewives show.
Speaker 1: And you're right, there is that side of religion, and
Speaker 1: there's just things that I think we're all curious about
Speaker 1: also getting a glimpse. There's the drama and all that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, there is a curiosity that we
Speaker 1: all just kind of want to see what's going on
Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, because it is very different.
Speaker 2: Utah is a very I mean, look every state in
Speaker 2: the US, I feel like it's a little bit culturally.
Speaker 1: Different, but I live in Texas. We all have our
Speaker 1: bugaboos exactly exactly, but Utah is a little more different.
Speaker 1: But you guys, And by the way, speaking of Utah
Speaker 1: and the backdrop and all that, the fashion is so
Speaker 1: high end, sometimes tragic, like some of the ski outfits
Speaker 1: are a little much. They're a little extra, as the
Speaker 1: kids would say. But it's fun. It's like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's something else you get to talk about. It's
Speaker 1: it's really fun.
Speaker 2: And I think that's one thing that all of us,
Speaker 2: you know, on this show, really enjoy is fashion. That
Speaker 2: is really probably the only common ground that we all share,
Speaker 2: so it's fun and we can be we all appreciate
Speaker 2: each other's style, and it's different, and so that is
Speaker 2: one great common point for everybody.
Speaker 1: So here's a very honest question I have for you,
Speaker 1: because I obviously you know that I spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time in the reality TV world, and what I
Speaker 1: find interesting are quote unquote villains I mentioned. Do you
Speaker 1: see yourself portrayed as a villain or like when you
Speaker 1: when you're out when you hear fans, Is that fair this?
Speaker 2: Yes, some seasons, yes, you know it's it is and
Speaker 2: it isn't you know. It's like the thing is, as
Speaker 2: you well know, reality TV is snippets, and so it's
Speaker 2: interesting because it's snippets. If everyone saw everything that went on,
Speaker 2: it would be really boring and it would leave nothing
Speaker 2: to the imagination. So because of that, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of things that go on that you don't see and
Speaker 2: that may justify certain actions, but you don't know that
Speaker 2: those things happen because.
Speaker 1: I always find and well, y'all, show is very different,
Speaker 1: and you kind of hit on it right there. Our
Speaker 1: show you have a season, right, you have a ten
Speaker 1: episode arc and you're good, You're bad, and you're done.
Speaker 1: You're not coming back next year, maybe come back at
Speaker 1: Paradise or whatever, but you're still kind of picking up
Speaker 1: that storyline you guys are on for years. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so you're right, it does ebb and flow who the
Speaker 1: villain is, then all of a sudden you're not, then
Speaker 1: you are again, so that your show is very different
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 2: And you know, and I also think it's interesting because
Speaker 2: I think that, like it's just unfolds and and somebody
Speaker 2: always has to be a villain.
Speaker 1: I mean, you need one. It's what makes it interesting. No,
Speaker 1: So I mean from sports to politics to TV, you
Speaker 1: got to have heroes and then you got to have
Speaker 1: the villains. Like you know, if you don't hate a team,
Speaker 1: you don't love your team as much. And that's just
Speaker 1: the way that's life.
Speaker 2: And the thing too is at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: like for me, I know what I've done, I know
Speaker 2: what I haven't done, and so if there's things that
Speaker 2: are left open to the imagination, I know that at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'll be vindicated.
Speaker 1: So it'll come to light. Yeah, because right now, the
Speaker 1: storyline right now is about you talking that someone's husband
Speaker 1: might be gay or is gay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not speculate on his sexuality after what
Speaker 2: I went through with my own son.
Speaker 1: That's just not something I would do.
Speaker 2: Did I hear these rumors. I didn't even hear rumors
Speaker 2: that he was gay. I just heard rumors that he
Speaker 2: had an affair with him.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That was all that I had heard up until a moment,
Speaker 2: which you got to watch and see the rest. So
Speaker 2: I don't want to get delve too deep into it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but I you know, to me, I
Speaker 2: don't care, like that doesn't interest me. I mean, I
Speaker 2: care if that's not their arrangement and she's upset about it,
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for her. But above and beyond that,
Speaker 2: that's it, you know, And if that is their arrangement,
Speaker 2: good for them.
Speaker 1: I hope they're happy. So at least let's tease this
Speaker 1: out so we will watch, we will find out how
Speaker 1: this culminates. Like we're playing this out. Whether you did
Speaker 1: say this, didn't what you said, well, we're gonna hear more.
Speaker 1: You'll see, you'll see.
Speaker 2: And in fact, the rumors I referred to in Palm
Speaker 2: Springs in that moment of anger.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you and Palm Spring Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the restaurant you went, the f off I did.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I did you know? I'm a very
Speaker 2: calm person the time, exactly. You scared, Like that's when
Speaker 2: people should be scared. It's like, it's not good when
Speaker 2: I lose it, it's not good.
Speaker 1: Forgive me. I forget that. The woman who was your friend,
Speaker 1: who was like in front of you trying to calm
Speaker 1: you down, Lisa, Lisa, bless her heart, by the way
Speaker 1: she stood there. Man, she was on the front lines
Speaker 1: and like anything could have happened at that moment. She
Speaker 1: was standing in front of Mount Vesuvius, And I'm like, girl, like,
Speaker 1: you got to be careful. You don't know what's about
Speaker 1: to happen. But you were. You were great. That was
Speaker 1: a stage four. Just meltdown. I would love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, it's like, obviously there was a
Speaker 2: lot longer of a dinner than what you saw. And
Speaker 2: I was prodded at for quite a while on a
Speaker 2: lot of different subjects, and I had had a very
Speaker 2: emotional day about totally different things that had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the women. But I was sensitive, and so
Speaker 2: you know, usually I can deal with a lot of
Speaker 2: the prodding, but that day I just reached a boiling
Speaker 2: point and I unleashed well.
Speaker 1: And again, the producers are great, and so I watched
Speaker 1: these shows as a fan and then I watched them
Speaker 1: as a producer. So one of the things that they
Speaker 1: did that was kind of funny, and it's not funny
Speaker 1: for you because it was something obviously that was very heartfelt.
Speaker 1: There was something else going on in your life that
Speaker 1: you were very emotional about. Yes, they never obviously you
Speaker 1: probably talked about it, you probably explained it. They have
Speaker 1: it on tape. They never showed that. And so there
Speaker 1: was this this running thing that you were like, there
Speaker 1: was this bizarre thing nobody knew about, and you guys
Speaker 1: kept referring to it. So the viewer at home was like,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Well, and you know what's in all fairness to the
Speaker 2: other women, they really didn't know because I didn't feel
Speaker 2: that it was my story to tell. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: also was trying to like have this fun girls trip
Speaker 2: and didn't want to bring negativity into it, so I
Speaker 2: wanted everything to stay sort of positive.
Speaker 1: So you know, they knew I was upset. They could
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 2: There were points during the day where I was fighting
Speaker 2: off cheers and things like that, but I was really
Speaker 2: trying to just ignore it and let it go. And
Speaker 2: it was just like when I reached a boiling point
Speaker 2: with everything, I couldn't let it all go. So they
Speaker 2: probably were sitting there thinking the same thing, you know,
Speaker 2: They're like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: Like, she's crazy. It's not that I don't love you,
Speaker 1: and I do, but maybe my favorite and I hate
Speaker 1: to say character, but person on the show. Mary, Please
Speaker 1: tell me she is everything that I hope she is.
Speaker 2: She is one hundred percent exactly like what you see.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean she really is, you know,
Speaker 2: she's she just the way she processes information is so different.
Speaker 1: Zero filter, zero f's given. Yeah, I feel like she's
Speaker 1: doing her own show, like y'all are doing your thing,
Speaker 1: and the producers like, okay, guys, here's the dinner setup.
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna come in, we're gonna talk, we'll do our thing,
Speaker 1: and Mary's yeah, no, I'm gonna sit on the bus.
Speaker 1: I'm taking this poor pa, and I'm gonna make them
Speaker 1: run me through McDonald's. And again, being the producer, my
Speaker 1: guess is they probably tried to get her to dinner
Speaker 1: and she's like no. They're like, okay, well sorry, Bobby,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take Mary to McDonald's keep rolling. I mean
Speaker 1: like she's doing her own show.
Speaker 2: Mary goes to her own beat. You know, she definitely
Speaker 2: goes to her own beat. I mean, you know, she's
Speaker 2: just everything with her is just the way she thinks
Speaker 2: is so different and so entertaining, you know, and like
Speaker 2: you said, unfiltered.
Speaker 1: And she could get as a producer they like, because
Speaker 1: I know she was on the show then she left
Speaker 1: and then they brought her back and I could see
Speaker 1: as a producer. Sometimes we've done that where like that
Speaker 1: person's a lot of drama and there kind of great content,
Speaker 1: but they're a lot so maybe they're they're too much,
Speaker 1: so we take them off the show and then you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: we really missed that drama, Like they're too good. And
Speaker 1: Mary is that person that's she's too good to leave
Speaker 1: on the bench. You got to bring her on.
Speaker 2: But weirdly, you know what, I don't feel like she
Speaker 2: actually causes that much drama.
Speaker 1: No, she's just this moment. Yes, yes, she's our comedic release. Yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this was the moment that we rewound honestly fifteen times
Speaker 1: at my house with Lauren Zima. Did she pee on
Speaker 1: the bus? I knew that she just throwing up? Or
Speaker 1: did she pee? According to l z and I, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think she peed. I it looks like
Speaker 1: it where it was. It wasn't like the I think.
Speaker 2: But it might have been the bag of throat leaking.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I can't really tell.
Speaker 1: We took we took a survey. I think the majority
Speaker 1: of people felt like she made on the bus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was not no matter what it was, it was
Speaker 1: not a great look.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that was her finest moment. I
Speaker 2: think she probably is ready to move on from that one.
Speaker 1: I love the bus driver, this poor woman who is
Speaker 1: like opening the door. She's like sitting there with this
Speaker 1: nice look on her face, and I'm like, she has
Speaker 1: to go in. Someone has to clean up that. Whatever
Speaker 1: it was, Oh god, it was a disaster. But this
Speaker 1: would not be a fun job. I don't know whether
Speaker 1: to thank you, would be mad at you for this
Speaker 1: newest addiction in my life of Real housewives. That's all.
Speaker 1: I love the show. You guys are great, you really are.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You'll make it great. It has It's always
Speaker 1: dawn on me how difficult it is when you come
Speaker 1: on any reality show. But when you're doing a show
Speaker 1: that involves your real life, your real family, your son
Speaker 1: you talked about was involved, obviously your husband. So have
Speaker 1: you ever thought like it's not this is not worth
Speaker 1: it anymore? Like you walk that fine line.
Speaker 2: Of course, Like I think that all the time. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a love hate relationship. And there are times that
Speaker 2: are like phenomenal and incredible, and then there are times where.
Speaker 1: You're crying, like you're devastated.
Speaker 2: You're like, I can't believe that people believe this about
Speaker 2: me because I know what my truth is. You know,
Speaker 2: So it's a love hate thing and that the highs
Speaker 2: are really high and the lows are really low.
Speaker 1: Well, is there the biggest lesson or the biggest takeaway?
Speaker 1: Like if someone was getting into this, what would you
Speaker 1: tell them? Because I think everybody thinks I'm going to
Speaker 1: go on reality TV because people are gonna love me,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to I'm going to be the one
Speaker 1: that comes out looking good. I'm going to control my message.
Speaker 1: I'll know what I say, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be the first thing I would say
Speaker 2: you have zero control, and I think that just naturally
Speaker 2: the types of people who are attracted to reality television
Speaker 2: tend to be a little more controlling of their lives
Speaker 2: and stuff, and that's a really hard thing to let go.
Speaker 2: I feel like that was hard for all the women.
Speaker 2: I've seen everyone struggle with that in different ways. And
Speaker 2: you have no control at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: and all you can do is speak your truth because
Speaker 2: if you don't, somebody else is going to tell it
Speaker 2: for you and it won't be your truth.
Speaker 1: Then, And when we talk about real I mean, something
Speaker 1: really huge happened in this franchise, Jen goes to jail,
Speaker 1: Like one of the people on the show is literally
Speaker 1: in jail right now. It rocked the show, but it's
Speaker 1: also something that rocked all of your lives. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so when something that huge happens and it's captured, what
Speaker 1: was what's the emotion? How is you know how closely
Speaker 1: were y'all talking to producers of Hey, like, this woman's
Speaker 1: really going to prison, we need to deal with this it.
Speaker 2: That was probably the hardest thing to navigate, I'm guessing
Speaker 2: for everybody. Okay, maybe it wasn't the hardest thing. I
Speaker 2: think dealing with my son was the hardest thing to navigate,
Speaker 2: but second hardest thing maybe, or it was definitely very
Speaker 2: high out there.
Speaker 1: Because like we didn't know what was really happening.
Speaker 2: You know, we spent all this time following her, you know,
Speaker 2: her story, I'm innocent, and then she switches at the end,
Speaker 2: and it's like, I've never had a friend go through this,
Speaker 2: And not only am I trying to navigate this for
Speaker 2: the first time in my life with somebody, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: doing it on worldwide television.
Speaker 1: Trying to articulate it well.
Speaker 2: And we're people are seeing bits and pieces too, you know.
Speaker 2: And so it was that was really really just difficult
Speaker 2: to navigate, and I think very hard on everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys, I know you've continued to kind
Speaker 1: of talk about it this season, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: a point of consternation on the show because some you know,
Speaker 1: everyone has their opinions and how they feel about it
Speaker 1: and feel deceived, and so it's very interesting the layers
Speaker 1: of this. And she's in prison right now. Have you
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to her, she reached out.
Speaker 1: I have not broken to her.
Speaker 2: She has not reached out directly, but I did get
Speaker 2: a message from her husband asking me to send her
Speaker 2: a letter, which I did send, and it was returned
Speaker 2: for the wrong envelope and it was returned for the
Speaker 2: wrong paper. So now I'm on round three of rewriting
Speaker 2: the same note because it's seven months.
Speaker 1: A federal penitentiary. So it's like very strict on you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you can't send anything that's cute, basically, like
Speaker 2: it has to be white paper, white wow. So I've
Speaker 2: got to go redo that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and this show has obviously been a
Speaker 1: huge part of your marriage, and that has been famously
Speaker 1: very difficult. You and I have something very similar in common.
Speaker 1: We both got married very young. You were twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty four when I got married. I was
Speaker 1: twenty three. When did y'all meet? What hell? Old? Were
Speaker 1: twenty three?
Speaker 2: Okay, got married at twenty four, maybe twenty five, twenty seven.
Speaker 1: That's where you beat me. I don't like I'm a kid.
Speaker 1: I didn't have my first until I was like twenty
Speaker 1: nine thirty, but I got you know, I met my
Speaker 1: then wife when I was eighteen years old. We were
Speaker 1: college sweethearts. Then we got married when we were twenty three.
Speaker 1: We were just babies, and you were a baby having babies.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, I might have been more mature than than
Speaker 2: I am now.
Speaker 1: Really, really, I think I've regressed. That's that's kind of
Speaker 1: awesome though. I kind of like that. I like the awareness.
Speaker 1: That's so good. But you guys had three kids within
Speaker 1: what'd you just say, four or five years? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: five years married? You have three babies, and that puts
Speaker 1: a lot on a marriage. That's that's unbelievably difficult.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just I think for us it was very
Speaker 2: stressful because, like you said, it's all so quick, and
Speaker 2: you know, when you first get married, like you should
Speaker 2: find your as a couple and are Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 2: do that. We just were like, oh, we're having kids, Oh,
Speaker 2: we're working. Oh we're busy with this, We're busy with that.
Speaker 2: And basically we're busy with everything except we're focusing on
Speaker 2: our relationship, which you know, we you know, had a
Speaker 2: great relationship at that time, much better now, but it
Speaker 2: was a solid, good relationship and we really did love
Speaker 2: each other. But if you're not going to put the
Speaker 2: work in, it's only going to take you so far.
Speaker 1: Well, and what would you say, kind of put it
Speaker 1: drove a wedge between you guys. Is it was it
Speaker 1: your careers and the fact y'all are traveling and you're
Speaker 1: going different directions all the time. I think that was
Speaker 1: a part of it.
Speaker 2: I think part of it was just like having kids
Speaker 2: so quickly too, you know, I don't know that they put.
Speaker 1: A wedge, but it just it.
Speaker 2: It made it harder for us to find our footing
Speaker 2: in the relationship first, you know. And and I just
Speaker 2: think that over time, we are so focused on the kids,
Speaker 2: so focused on careers, so focused on basically everything, accept
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then and that stuff happens, you know, so easily,
Speaker 1: And when you're listening to this podcast or you just
Speaker 1: you hear stories, you're like, well, why didn't you communicate? Why?
Speaker 1: But it is something that is so common and it
Speaker 1: happens so quickly because you are so knee deep, like
Speaker 1: kids are difficult, they're so tough. Three kids exponentially tough. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so you're just like, your life is not your
Speaker 1: own anymore? No, it's not.
Speaker 2: And the thing too, is why that is the communication
Speaker 2: is the whole key to everything. And the problem is
Speaker 2: that once you get into this negative spiral and communication
Speaker 2: it's almost impossible to break it on your own.
Speaker 1: It really is. It's something that seems so simple, like
Speaker 1: we just need to talk, we just need to but
Speaker 1: it's it is. Why is it so difficult to bridge
Speaker 1: that gap and to fix when that that chasm has
Speaker 1: been created? What is it?
Speaker 2: I think there's just such hostility that vesters and grows
Speaker 2: and then you know, and you start reacting to each
Speaker 2: other rather than responding. It just gets like rough and
Speaker 2: if for us, as soon as we got into like
Speaker 2: a good couples therapist and we rewired how we communicated everything, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's still a lot of work, but it
Speaker 2: changed very quickly.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, what how because I know
Speaker 1: you guys took a break and but you you're back
Speaker 1: together and you're you're doing so much better therapy and
Speaker 1: just having having a professional work with you guys in
Speaker 1: like communication. Yeah, I think our therapist was amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean for sure, and I we're probably the only
Speaker 2: ones on the planet that can say, you know, real
Speaker 2: housewives coupled with the pandemic saved our marriage.
Speaker 1: Very odd because it brought you because well, the pandemic
Speaker 1: like made you forced you to be back together.
Speaker 2: The pandemic for ud us to be back together and
Speaker 2: to kind of reevaluate, especially early on whenever I was
Speaker 2: a little terrified, you know, made you reevaluate what you
Speaker 2: care about, what's important, things like that. That's funny, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And the show, interestingly, because we had already been through
Speaker 2: quite a bit of counseling and had been working so
Speaker 2: much on our communication. When we were able to watch
Speaker 2: things back and see the way we behaved, we grew
Speaker 2: from that.
Speaker 1: When we were in you know, in real time.
Speaker 2: Filming and stuff like that, you're just so much more
Speaker 2: hyper aware of the way you say things to somebody, and.
Speaker 1: You had game film to watch, watching your games breaking
Speaker 1: it down exactly. Most couple do not get that opportunity.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I was going to ask if
Speaker 1: if the show had made it more difficult, but it
Speaker 1: actually seems to have helped you, guys, because I know
Speaker 1: these shows can often be.
Speaker 2: There are definitely moments that are are hard and that
Speaker 2: are you know, not great. But I think that if
Speaker 2: in fact you're meant to be together, you're going to
Speaker 2: use the show as a tool to help you rather
Speaker 2: than hurt you.
Speaker 1: Do you think you guys will kind of get remarried again,
Speaker 1: like renew your vows or do something.
Speaker 2: So I'm afraid to do that because everyone says it's
Speaker 2: like a curse and they joined up and divorce.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny I heard that. I never heard.
Speaker 1: I never knew about that, but recently someone told me
Speaker 1: about renewing your vals is like bad. I'm like, is
Speaker 1: that a thing? I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's what they say, at least they say that on
Speaker 2: like reality to you, Okay, so I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's like just on.
Speaker 1: TV Orsetta Housewives saying. You know what I think Lauren
Speaker 1: told me about that that every couple that's renew their
Speaker 1: Housewives has gotten divorced or broken up except for Whitney
Speaker 1: and Justin, so don't do it.
Speaker 2: They're together, Okay, they're together because we saw in the
Speaker 2: previous there's some trouble and paradise there.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens, but you guys, but you
Speaker 1: guys are much better and your kids are older too,
Speaker 1: which helps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we say we're on our second marriage to
Speaker 2: each other because at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 2: a very different relationship now than we had previously. So
Speaker 2: and our you know, we didn't do another wedding, but
Speaker 2: in our own minds, this is our second marriage.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys spend your time? Are y'all still everywhere?
Speaker 2: I mean, we're you know, we're in Utah for about
Speaker 2: four months in the winter. We'll pop back in and
Speaker 2: out here and there. But you know, I used to
Speaker 2: spend the summer there, but now I really have been
Speaker 2: spending the summer in Europe, and then we'll spend the
Speaker 2: rest of our time between New York, LA and Miami.
Speaker 1: Jeez, but are you more together now than you used
Speaker 1: to be? Because I think from what I understand your jobs, y'all,
Speaker 1: we're doing all this apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why this is actually working really well
Speaker 2: for us, is because we are able to be together.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason we were apart so much is,
Speaker 2: you know, one was always traveling and the other wasn't.
Speaker 2: And now we're both just kind of traveling together and
Speaker 2: doing our best to coordinate as much as we can.
Speaker 2: I mean, i'd say we're together like eighty percent of
Speaker 2: the time now, which is pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's huge. And it's funny. You mentioned something about the pandemic,
Speaker 1: and I think when we're all high on the hog
Speaker 1: and you get your money and you're doing your life
Speaker 1: and you're traveling. It's like you feel like not the
Speaker 1: grass is always greener somewhere else. But you got options, right,
Speaker 1: You're just life. Life's going, you're traveling, you're doing, and
Speaker 1: so you don't think about maybe the things that are
Speaker 1: important in life. And you're right. The pandemic just had
Speaker 1: the record scratch moment for all of us where just
Speaker 1: the music stopped and we had to go, wait, oh,
Speaker 1: this is really what's important that in toilet paper. Apparently
Speaker 1: those are the two things that are important in this world,
Speaker 1: toilet paper and your loved ones. I was hoarting gasoline
Speaker 1: that toy that was smart.
Speaker 2: I was worried my family was spread out all over
Speaker 2: the country. I was like, what if there aren't flights,
Speaker 2: what if there's a gas shortage? So all I cared
Speaker 2: about was gas to make sure I could get everyone together.
Speaker 1: You know how, like like every generation goes through something
Speaker 1: traumatic and crazy that causes them to be crazy about something.
Speaker 1: You know, you'll go to your grandparents' house and they'll
Speaker 1: have something weird and you're like, Grandpa, like, why do
Speaker 1: you have that? In the closet. It's like, well, back
Speaker 1: in my day, you know, when we have the dust bowl,
Speaker 1: and so our kids, like our grandkids are going to
Speaker 1: come to our home. They're going to open up and
Speaker 1: they're going to see an entire closet filled with just
Speaker 1: toilet paper. Like Grant like, why is grandpa hoarding toilet paper?
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't understand, Like this can go away.
Speaker 1: There was a time it was the most important commodity,
Speaker 1: Like it was more important than gold, silver and bitcoin combined.
Speaker 1: So crazy. But you and Seth your husband y'a, are
Speaker 1: now doing a podcast together.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we started a podcast discussing relationships, not necessarily advice,
Speaker 2: because I don't feel that I'm befell for giving advice.
Speaker 2: I can only talk about my own experiences and you know,
Speaker 2: and ask others about theirs, and you know, hear about it.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to even be a romantic relationship.
Speaker 2: It can be about friendship, you know, parent, child, sibling, whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's been really fun. Lauren and I do the
Speaker 1: show together quite often and we dive into these subjects
Speaker 1: as well. I found it quite cathartic. It is like therapy.
Speaker 1: We end up talking about a lot of things on
Speaker 1: the show, and then it often spills over into dinner
Speaker 1: where we will continue to have these conversations. Are you
Speaker 1: guys kind of finding the same revelation about being together
Speaker 1: and doing this podcast? Yeah? You know, it's actually funny.
Speaker 2: Before before I came in here us on the phone
Speaker 2: with my mother and she was asking me about the podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's great, I said, I'm really enjoying it
Speaker 2: because you know, you're chit chatting and you're learning and
Speaker 2: you're exploring, and it's just and it's good for me
Speaker 2: and Seth because you know, it's forcing us to continue
Speaker 2: to talk about our relationship, our issues, concerns, what's going well,
Speaker 2: what's not, you know, and just stay.
Speaker 1: Focused on what we need to be focused on. So
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get you on. It's I would love to
Speaker 1: be on with you too. All right, Well, what's the
Speaker 1: end of the podcast? Hanging by a Thread with Seth
Speaker 1: and Meredith Marx Hanging by a thread? That's I love that.
Speaker 1: It's been really interesting. The whole podcast thing in general
Speaker 1: is interesting. Just I find it very cathartic. I love
Speaker 1: talking to people. I always have, and it allows you,
Speaker 1: I think, doing stuff like this especially when we can
Speaker 1: be face to face. It allows you to kind of
Speaker 1: let down your garden and just have a conversation. Exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why I like it in person as opposed to
Speaker 1: a thirty second SoundBite where you got to like do
Speaker 1: a quick interview and which I did for a million years,
Speaker 1: and you still do, like you know, Bravo runs you
Speaker 1: through the ringer and you're doing all the press and
Speaker 1: you know, in ten seconds end up somewhere well out
Speaker 1: of context. Yeah, exactly, because well they want to keep
Speaker 1: you know, like we got to keep Meredith in the
Speaker 1: villain category. And that's the problem too. If you are
Speaker 1: in long form like we are right now. You're a
Speaker 1: lovely woman, Thank you. It's like there's no way someone
Speaker 1: could come away with from this conversation be like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a real bitch. Like you know what though, that's interesting. Honestly,
Speaker 1: there are very.
Speaker 2: Few people that I have met in the Bravo world
Speaker 2: that like are not very nice.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like it's interesting. I think a lot of its circumstance.
Speaker 2: You know, you have your moments. Everybody is human.
Speaker 1: We all do, and that's the beauty. I mean, we
Speaker 1: all we all having Hey, I'm I'm preaching the choir.
Speaker 1: I've definitely had my moments. But do you guys cross
Speaker 1: pollinate at all from like show to show other housewives,
Speaker 1: Like do you know, like, are you friends with some reason?
Speaker 1: I am? I am? Are you a fan of any
Speaker 1: of the other shows?
Speaker 2: So I watched Bits and Pieces mainly to support the
Speaker 2: women that I like, because I'm not a big TV person.
Speaker 2: I never really have been a huge TV person, and
Speaker 2: so and now it's also you have to remember, like
Speaker 2: I go through this, so sometimes watching one of the
Speaker 2: other shows is very like triggering for me and not
Speaker 2: that pleasant.
Speaker 1: Because you know what's really happening, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I watch Bits and Pieces.
Speaker 2: I was on the last season of this past one
Speaker 2: of New York.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's just not I did watch one episode, Lauren,
Speaker 1: maybe no, I love my Ladies of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm loyal. Well they're new, give them a chance,
Speaker 1: I will. They were out in the Hamptons or something,
Speaker 1: and I was like, these aren't the fights I'm used to.
Speaker 1: This isn't Palm Springs. Yeah, wow, definitely not normal. That
Speaker 1: was on fire, So I'm speaking of that when you
Speaker 1: guys shoot the show or y'all months in advance? How
Speaker 1: far in advance y'all shooting before it hits Bravo?
Speaker 2: Oh, well, we always always in the winter, so you
Speaker 2: know it ends up bearing it slightly definitely.
Speaker 1: Going to cut, Like do you see the show? Like
Speaker 1: how soon do you know what's to come? Like, do
Speaker 1: you have any idea?
Speaker 2: I just I've not seen anything beyond Tuesday's episode, so
Speaker 2: we usually just see it like a week shortly before,
Speaker 2: not even less than.
Speaker 1: So that's that's got to be kind of anxiety written
Speaker 1: as well as you you have an idea of what's
Speaker 1: going to be shown, of what's happened, but you really
Speaker 1: don't know, so you guys are kind of finding out
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the thing is, it's like you you
Speaker 2: have a clue because you know what happened, and you
Speaker 2: also know what like follows through. You know, in the
Speaker 2: moment it may or may not you know, be shown,
Speaker 2: but if it's something that's been carried on through the
Speaker 2: whole winter, yeah you're going to see it, of course
Speaker 2: because it's a big part of the story. So you
Speaker 2: kind of know, but you don't really and even if
Speaker 2: you know, you don't know which parts you're going to
Speaker 2: see or not see. And that's what makes great television,
Speaker 2: you know. It's not like, you know, there's stuff that
Speaker 2: goes on and we see all the time down the
Speaker 2: road there's a flashback and you're like, oh, that's what happened,
Speaker 2: you know, or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's why it's good storytelling. They do a great job. Kudos.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the executive producers are, never met him,
Speaker 1: but kudos to the to the executive producers and all
Speaker 1: the producers and the crew of Salt Lake City. I'm
Speaker 1: a fan. It's shot well, it's produced well, edited well.
Speaker 1: The light I'm cause I dissect these shows to death
Speaker 1: and it's a great show. It's very well done, and
Speaker 1: you're such a huge integral part of it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: They can never get rid of you. That's the beauty.
Speaker 1: You can say and do what you want because Bravo
Speaker 1: could never replace you. Oh I'm sure Bravo would be
Speaker 1: thrilled to hear you say that. I will be with
Speaker 1: your agent renegotiating your next contract. Meredith Marx, thank you
Speaker 1: so much, thank you, it was so good to meet you.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan and I will continue watching well thank
Speaker 1: you so much. It was so fun to be here today.
Speaker 1: And we'll get you on our podcast next Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: will be on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City next year.
Speaker 1: Oh fabulously. I love it. Come on, we'll be the
Speaker 1: random couple and we have this one couple from Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Meredith, thank you, thank you, thanks
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