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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison sands Lauren Zema today because we are on

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Speaker 1: the road. I'm not in the friendly confines of Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 1: I've hit the road. I was at an amazing charity event,

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Speaker 1: the TGR Foundation. It's Tiger Woods Foundation for all his

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Speaker 1: learning centers and his learning labs. Awesome, awesome foundation that

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Speaker 1: I love to support. I won't dive into my golfing

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Speaker 1: as I know that Lauren Zema is somewhere right now

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Speaker 1: dozing off as I start to talk about sports. And

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Speaker 1: I also won't talk anything other than about my guest

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Speaker 1: today because I am so excited, and maybe the only

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Speaker 1: other person that would be more excited than me is

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Speaker 1: Lauren Zema, who got me into watching the Real Housewives

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Speaker 1: of Salt Lake City. When I tell you I've never

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Speaker 1: watched an episode of any of these franchises ever, I'm

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Speaker 1: not exaggerating. Lauren sat me down Meredith Marx, who joins

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Speaker 1: me now, and she said, you have to watch Salt

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Speaker 1: Lake City. It is the best. I said, great, I'm

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Speaker 1: all in. I love reality TV. I stopped the TV.

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Speaker 1: I paused it after the Supertease because I lost my mind.

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Speaker 1: This show is so damn good, Meredith, It's crazy. I

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Speaker 1: literally I stopped it after the Super Tees episode one

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Speaker 1: and I said, this might be the greatest show I've

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Speaker 1: never watched. How is everybody not talking about this? And

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Speaker 1: I realize She's like, you're an idiot because everyone is

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Speaker 1: talking about it. We love Lauren, So thank you. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being here enjoining me and talking all things

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. But also we'll get into our lives

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Speaker 1: and they kind of mirror each other. As I was

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Speaker 1: doing my research on you, we kind of have very

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Speaker 1: similar paths of getting married very young and making a

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Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. But Salt Lake City, this show captured

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Speaker 1: my imagination. You guys are so much better than any

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Speaker 1: other housewife show. Well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I of course appreciated. What is the magic sauce of

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Speaker 2: Salt Lake City? You know, I think it's a lot

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Speaker 2: of chaos. Like we're all wired very very differently. Just

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Speaker 2: the way we process information is completely different. With you know,

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Speaker 2: the backdrop of Utah, which is obviously magnificently gorgeous. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then all this, you know, religion comes into play

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Speaker 2: like all these very unusual elements I don't think are

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Speaker 1: And you're right, there is that side of religion, and

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Speaker 1: there's just things that I think we're all curious about

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Speaker 1: also getting a glimpse. There's the drama and all that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, there is a curiosity that we

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Speaker 1: all just kind of want to see what's going on

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Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, because it is very different.

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Speaker 2: Utah is a very I mean, look every state in

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Speaker 2: the US, I feel like it's a little bit culturally.

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Speaker 1: Different, but I live in Texas. We all have our

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Speaker 1: bugaboos exactly exactly, but Utah is a little more different.

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Speaker 1: But you guys, And by the way, speaking of Utah

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Speaker 1: and the backdrop and all that, the fashion is so

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Speaker 1: high end, sometimes tragic, like some of the ski outfits

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Speaker 2: And I think that's one thing that all of us,

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Speaker 2: you know, on this show, really enjoy is fashion. That

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Speaker 2: each other's style, and it's different, and so that is

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Speaker 1: So here's a very honest question I have for you,

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Speaker 1: find interesting are quote unquote villains I mentioned. Do you

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Speaker 1: see yourself portrayed as a villain or like when you

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Speaker 1: when you're out when you hear fans, Is that fair this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, some seasons, yes, you know it's it is and

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Speaker 1: I always find and well, y'all, show is very different,

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Speaker 1: You're not coming back next year, maybe come back at

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Speaker 1: that storyline you guys are on for years. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so you're right, it does ebb and flow who the

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Speaker 2: And you know, and I also think it's interesting because

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Speaker 2: I think that, like it's just unfolds and and somebody

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Speaker 1: I mean, you need one. It's what makes it interesting. No,

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Speaker 2: And the thing too is at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: So it'll come to light. Yeah, because right now, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not speculate on his sexuality after what

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Speaker 2: Did I hear these rumors. I didn't even hear rumors

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Speaker 2: That was all that I had heard up until a moment,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but I you know, to me, I

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Speaker 2: I feel sorry for her. But above and beyond that,

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Speaker 2: And in fact, the rumors I referred to in Palm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the restaurant you went, the f off I did.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I did you know? I'm a very

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Speaker 1: Forgive me. I forget that. The woman who was your friend,

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Speaker 1: And again, the producers are great, and so I watched

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Speaker 1: Like, she's crazy. It's not that I don't love you,

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Speaker 1: and I do, but maybe my favorite and I hate

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Speaker 1: to say character, but person on the show. Mary, Please

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Speaker 1: tell me she is everything that I hope she is.

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Speaker 2: She is one hundred percent exactly like what you see.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean she really is, you know,

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Speaker 2: she's she just the way she processes information is so different.

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Speaker 1: Zero filter, zero f's given. Yeah, I feel like she's

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Speaker 1: and the producers like, okay, guys, here's the dinner setup.

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Speaker 1: and Mary's yeah, no, I'm gonna sit on the bus.

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Speaker 2: Mary goes to her own beat. You know, she definitely

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Speaker 2: just everything with her is just the way she thinks

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Speaker 2: is so different and so entertaining, you know, and like

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Speaker 2: you said, unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: And she could get as a producer they like, because

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Speaker 1: as a producer. Sometimes we've done that where like that

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Speaker 1: that a thing? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's what they say, at least they say that on

434
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: like reality to you, Okay, so I don't know if

435
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: that's like just on.

436
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: TV Orsetta Housewives saying. You know what I think Lauren

437
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: told me about that that every couple that's renew their

438
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: Housewives has gotten divorced or broken up except for Whitney

439
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: and Justin, so don't do it.

440
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 2: They're together, Okay, they're together because we saw in the

441
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: previous there's some trouble and paradise there.

442
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens, but you guys, but you

443
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: guys are much better and your kids are older too,

444
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: which helps.

445
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we say we're on our second marriage to

446
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: each other because at the end of the day, it's

447
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: a very different relationship now than we had previously. So

448
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: and our you know, we didn't do another wedding, but

449
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: in our own minds, this is our second marriage.

450
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Speaker 1: Where do you guys spend your time? Are y'all still everywhere?

451
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we're you know, we're in Utah for about

452
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: four months in the winter. We'll pop back in and

453
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: out here and there. But you know, I used to

454
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 2: spend the summer there, but now I really have been

455
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: spending the summer in Europe, and then we'll spend the

456
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: rest of our time between New York, LA and Miami.

457
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: Jeez, but are you more together now than you used

458
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: to be? Because I think from what I understand your jobs, y'all,

459
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: we're doing all this apart.

460
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why this is actually working really well

461
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: for us, is because we are able to be together.

462
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 1: You know.

463
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: Part of the reason we were apart so much is,

464
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: you know, one was always traveling and the other wasn't.

465
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: And now we're both just kind of traveling together and

466
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: doing our best to coordinate as much as we can.

467
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Speaker 2: I mean, i'd say we're together like eighty percent of

468
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: the time now, which is pretty good.

469
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Speaker 1: That's huge. And it's funny. You mentioned something about the pandemic,

470
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Speaker 1: and I think when we're all high on the hog

471
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Speaker 1: and you get your money and you're doing your life

472
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: and you're traveling. It's like you feel like not the

473
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: grass is always greener somewhere else. But you got options, right,

474
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: You're just life. Life's going, you're traveling, you're doing, and

475
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: so you don't think about maybe the things that are

476
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Speaker 1: important in life. And you're right. The pandemic just had

477
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: the record scratch moment for all of us where just

478
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: the music stopped and we had to go, wait, oh,

479
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: this is really what's important that in toilet paper. Apparently

480
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: those are the two things that are important in this world,

481
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: toilet paper and your loved ones. I was hoarting gasoline

482
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: that toy that was smart.

483
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: I was worried my family was spread out all over

484
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Speaker 2: the country. I was like, what if there aren't flights,

485
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: what if there's a gas shortage? So all I cared

486
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: about was gas to make sure I could get everyone together.

487
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: You know how, like like every generation goes through something

488
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: traumatic and crazy that causes them to be crazy about something.

489
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, you'll go to your grandparents' house and they'll

490
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: have something weird and you're like, Grandpa, like, why do

491
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: you have that? In the closet. It's like, well, back

492
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: in my day, you know, when we have the dust bowl,

493
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: and so our kids, like our grandkids are going to

494
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: come to our home. They're going to open up and

495
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: they're going to see an entire closet filled with just

496
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: toilet paper. Like Grant like, why is grandpa hoarding toilet paper?

497
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't understand, Like this can go away.

498
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: There was a time it was the most important commodity,

499
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: Like it was more important than gold, silver and bitcoin combined.

500
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: So crazy. But you and Seth your husband y'a, are

501
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: now doing a podcast together.

502
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: Yes, so we started a podcast discussing relationships, not necessarily advice,

503
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: because I don't feel that I'm befell for giving advice.

504
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: I can only talk about my own experiences and you know,

505
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: and ask others about theirs, and you know, hear about it.

506
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to even be a romantic relationship.

507
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: It can be about friendship, you know, parent, child, sibling, whatever.

508
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: So it's been really fun. Lauren and I do the

509
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: show together quite often and we dive into these subjects

510
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: as well. I found it quite cathartic. It is like therapy.

511
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: We end up talking about a lot of things on

512
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: the show, and then it often spills over into dinner

513
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: where we will continue to have these conversations. Are you

514
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: guys kind of finding the same revelation about being together

515
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: and doing this podcast? Yeah? You know, it's actually funny.

516
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: Before before I came in here us on the phone

517
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: with my mother and she was asking me about the podcast.

518
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's great, I said, I'm really enjoying it

519
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 2: because you know, you're chit chatting and you're learning and

520
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: you're exploring, and it's just and it's good for me

521
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: and Seth because you know, it's forcing us to continue

522
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 2: to talk about our relationship, our issues, concerns, what's going well,

523
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: what's not, you know, and just stay.

524
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Focused on what we need to be focused on. So

525
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get you on. It's I would love to

526
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: be on with you too. All right, Well, what's the

527
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: end of the podcast? Hanging by a Thread with Seth

528
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: and Meredith Marx Hanging by a thread? That's I love that.

529
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: It's been really interesting. The whole podcast thing in general

530
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: is interesting. Just I find it very cathartic. I love

531
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: talking to people. I always have, and it allows you,

532
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: I think, doing stuff like this especially when we can

533
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: be face to face. It allows you to kind of

534
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: let down your garden and just have a conversation. Exactly. Well,

535
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: that's why I like it in person as opposed to

536
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: a thirty second SoundBite where you got to like do

537
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: a quick interview and which I did for a million years,

538
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: and you still do, like you know, Bravo runs you

539
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: through the ringer and you're doing all the press and

540
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, in ten seconds end up somewhere well out

541
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: of context. Yeah, exactly, because well they want to keep

542
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: you know, like we got to keep Meredith in the

543
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 1: villain category. And that's the problem too. If you are

544
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: in long form like we are right now. You're a

545
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: lovely woman, Thank you. It's like there's no way someone

546
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: could come away with from this conversation be like, wow, yeah,

547
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: she's a real bitch. Like you know what though, that's interesting. Honestly,

548
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: there are very.

549
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: Few people that I have met in the Bravo world

550
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: that like are not very nice.

551
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: You know.

552
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: It's like it's interesting. I think a lot of its circumstance.

553
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: You know, you have your moments. Everybody is human.

554
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: We all do, and that's the beauty. I mean, we

555
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: all we all having Hey, I'm I'm preaching the choir.

556
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: I've definitely had my moments. But do you guys cross

557
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: pollinate at all from like show to show other housewives,

558
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: Like do you know, like, are you friends with some reason?

559
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: I am? I am? Are you a fan of any

560
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: of the other shows?

561
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: So I watched Bits and Pieces mainly to support the

562
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: women that I like, because I'm not a big TV person.

563
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: I never really have been a huge TV person, and

564
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: so and now it's also you have to remember, like

565
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: I go through this, so sometimes watching one of the

566
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: other shows is very like triggering for me and not

567
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: that pleasant.

568
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: Because you know what's really happening, you know. Yeah, yeah,

569
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: so I watch Bits and Pieces.

570
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: I was on the last season of this past one

571
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: of New York.

572
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's just not I did watch one episode, Lauren,

573
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: maybe no, I love my Ladies of Salt Lake City.

574
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm loyal. Well they're new, give them a chance,

575
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: I will. They were out in the Hamptons or something,

576
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, these aren't the fights I'm used to.

577
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: This isn't Palm Springs. Yeah, wow, definitely not normal. That

578
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: was on fire, So I'm speaking of that when you

579
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: guys shoot the show or y'all months in advance? How

580
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: far in advance y'all shooting before it hits Bravo?

581
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: Oh, well, we always always in the winter, so you

582
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: know it ends up bearing it slightly definitely.

583
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Going to cut, Like do you see the show? Like

584
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: how soon do you know what's to come? Like, do

585
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: you have any idea?

586
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: I just I've not seen anything beyond Tuesday's episode, so

587
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: we usually just see it like a week shortly before,

588
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: not even less than.

589
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: So that's that's got to be kind of anxiety written

590
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: as well as you you have an idea of what's

591
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: going to be shown, of what's happened, but you really

592
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: don't know, so you guys are kind of finding out

593
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: with us.

594
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the thing is, it's like you you

595
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: have a clue because you know what happened, and you

596
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: also know what like follows through. You know, in the

597
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: moment it may or may not you know, be shown,

598
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: but if it's something that's been carried on through the

599
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: whole winter, yeah you're going to see it, of course

600
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: because it's a big part of the story. So you

601
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: kind of know, but you don't really and even if

602
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, you don't know which parts you're going to

603
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: see or not see. And that's what makes great television,

604
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: you know. It's not like, you know, there's stuff that

605
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: goes on and we see all the time down the

606
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: road there's a flashback and you're like, oh, that's what happened,

607
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: you know, or whatever.

608
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: That's why it's good storytelling. They do a great job. Kudos.

609
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't know who the executive producers are, never met him,

610
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: but kudos to the to the executive producers and all

611
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: the producers and the crew of Salt Lake City. I'm

612
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: a fan. It's shot well, it's produced well, edited well.

613
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: The light I'm cause I dissect these shows to death

614
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: and it's a great show. It's very well done, and

615
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: you're such a huge integral part of it. Thank you.

616
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: They can never get rid of you. That's the beauty.

617
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: You can say and do what you want because Bravo

618
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: could never replace you. Oh I'm sure Bravo would be

619
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: thrilled to hear you say that. I will be with

620
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: your agent renegotiating your next contract. Meredith Marx, thank you

621
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: so much, thank you, it was so good to meet you.

622
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm a fan and I will continue watching well thank

623
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: you so much. It was so fun to be here today.

624
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: And we'll get you on our podcast next Absolutely, I

625
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: will be on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City next year.

626
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: Oh fabulously. I love it. Come on, we'll be the

627
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: random couple and we have this one couple from Austin, Texas.

628
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Meredith, thank you, thank you, thanks

629
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Speaker 1: for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic

630
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: pod ever, and make sure to write us a review

631
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Speaker 1: and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.