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Speaker 1: let's talks and basketball. So this was an absolute defensive

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Speaker 1: about how, like when you see it the same defensive

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Speaker 1: matchup time and time and time again, how defenders tend

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Speaker 1: I always used to use is like playing against your

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Speaker 1: little brother, your older brother, or your older sister, younger sister.

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Speaker 1: When you're playing against a sibling every single day in

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Speaker 1: just because they play against you every day, then kind

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Speaker 1: that kind of dynamic takes place in a playoff series

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Speaker 1: And everybody in this series is struggling with their core matchups.

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Speaker 1: Like both Quinton Grimes and Josh Hard have been giving

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Speaker 1: to Celtics Hawks. This was a bizarre game. The Celtics

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Speaker 1: Like the Celtics let go of the rope several times

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Speaker 1: And say what you want about this Hawks team, they're

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