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Speaker 1: Ruthie's Table four presented by Sky.

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Speaker 2: So Reine. As you were going back and reading the

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Speaker 2: finished galley of the book, I mean, was there anything

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Speaker 2: that you learned that surprised you?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think what I've learned from the book and

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Speaker 1: from talking and the transcripts is that so many of

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Speaker 1: the guests talked about their grandmother's cooking almost more than

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Speaker 1: their mother's, and I think that was particularly true of

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Speaker 1: people who came here as immigrants. And I always say

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Speaker 1: that the mother adapted her cooking to the country she's in,

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Speaker 1: the culture that she's in. The child totally rejects, very

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Speaker 1: often the cooking of the country they left, but the

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Speaker 1: grandmother keeps it with her and that she's there to

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Speaker 1: cook it for the mother, her daughter or daughter in

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Speaker 1: law who remembers and might want to and the children

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Speaker 1: who actually then up because they loved their grandmother and

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Speaker 1: has that food. So I think that something that really

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Speaker 1: was moving to me. Steve McQueen talked about going to

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Speaker 1: the market with his grandmother, what that meant, the kind

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Speaker 1: of introduction of different vegetables that he'd never really had.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the other very moving part for

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Speaker 1: me was how many people came in with their own

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Speaker 1: cookbooks that had been written for them by either their

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Speaker 1: mother or their grandfather or their father. They wanted to

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Speaker 1: take their history of their family with them when they

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Speaker 1: went into the world, so if they were at university,

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Speaker 1: they could make a soup or positive that they'd had

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Speaker 1: at home and somewhat so and so they bought Kristen

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Speaker 1: Scott Thomas and Tom Hollander. There's a photograph of Tom

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Speaker 1: and I looking at one of his books of the

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Speaker 1: recipes that they've had fifty years later. You know, both

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Speaker 1: their parents had passed or their grandparents had passed, but

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Speaker 1: the cookbook was with them.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want to ask you about, Ruthie.

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Speaker 2: Is tradition, which sounds like a very kind of milk

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Speaker 2: toast generic term, but actually when it comes to Greta

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Speaker 2: Growig and Noah Bombac, two of your close friends, tradition

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Speaker 2: is actually a time of the week.

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Speaker 3: It's an event. What is it? I think?

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Speaker 1: You know, when, as I say, you know, in an

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Speaker 1: uncertain world, there are certain things we want a certainty,

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Speaker 1: and I'd went through it with Richard's family that you

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Speaker 1: just knew that every Sunday lunch you'd have with family,

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Speaker 1: either your mother in law or your mother, or your

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Speaker 1: sisters or brothers.

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Speaker 3: This Sunday lunch. This is something.

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Speaker 1: And Jewish religion, you have the Friday night supper, don't you.

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Speaker 1: You have the Shabbat Neil, and I think Ramadan. So

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Speaker 1: I think there is a kind of tradition very often

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Speaker 1: in families, immigrant families, to do with your heritage, you know.

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Speaker 1: With Greta and Noah, I met them before they came

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Speaker 1: to London, but Greta came here to work on Barbie

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Speaker 1: and then Noah made a fit.

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Speaker 3: They brought their two children. They lived in Richmond, so.

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Speaker 1: They were near the River Cafe, and so the easiest

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Speaker 1: time for everyone who was working was to try and

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Speaker 1: have Sunday lunch. We did it about again, about two

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Speaker 1: or three times in a row. We just said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're having lunch on Sunday. We check in on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: who's coming?

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Speaker 3: What are we doing? I said, maybe this is becoming

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Speaker 3: a tradition.

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Speaker 1: And Harold, the little boy, I think it's about five,

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Speaker 1: said oh, this is what tradition is. Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: what tradition means. And we said, yeah, it is what

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Speaker 1: tradition means. And so we just ended up calling it tradition.

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Speaker 1: Are we meeting at twelve o'clock for tradition or we're

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Speaker 1: meeting it too for tradition.

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Speaker 3: It just became the word for Sunday lunch.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about that Raymond Carver book What we

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Speaker 2: talk about when we talk about love, and the same

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Speaker 2: could be set of food, what we talk about when

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Speaker 2: we talk about food? And I think the answer, as

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Speaker 2: this book proves, is kind of everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think maybe it. Food is everything.

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