1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: It's time the stage a La Records bringing in there, 2 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: we will sue you. 3 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: Tomorrow's the Garner Welcome to hang. 4 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: Out Part two. Win Totals are leans over under Jack 5 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 3: R M. Peter Just Baseball Show. Today is Tuesday, March 6 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: twenty eighth, Happy Show Day, Happy MLB. The Show. This 7 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: is when it's available for everybody. 8 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 4: Right, I had no idea first, I'm hearing of it, Armhead, 9 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: you do you have any idea? 10 00:00:59,160 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: Games? 11 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 5: Now you get like the pre pre access, like they 12 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 5: come out before they ever say they're's supposed to come out. 13 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 5: I think I've already seen people playing it. But I 14 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 5: guess this is like when the normal people can get 15 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 5: it like us. 16 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: I have a question. I have a question, are you 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: good at video games? 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: Jack? 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 4: Because I'm terrible at video games and I know arm 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 4: is good at video games. I grew up, I always 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 4: got super mad because all my friends would want to play, 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 4: and I'd be the runt of the litter. Like you 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 4: play Modern Warfare two and I'm getting killed. We'll even 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 4: play I will be the show and I'll get destroyed, 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 4: even though it's my sport. Like I've always been just 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: uncoordinated when it comes to pushing the right buttons. 27 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: So I make things as easy as possible for me. 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: So like you know how a lot of people do 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: the pitching meter, I do the pulse thing, where like 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: when the circles the smallest, you just hit the button 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: and you go. I am a bit. 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 4: Remember when Robert Flores came on the Just Baseball Show 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 4: and taught us how to do it. I tried, I'm 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: not athletic enough to do it. 35 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 5: I shouldn't do it hard when told me that like 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 5: the claw strategy or whatever that whatever the hell that 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 5: that was, that was brutal. By the way, you mentioned 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: Modern Warfare two, I think I have fifty days played 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 5: on Modern Warfare two, like five zero days playing between 40 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 5: like PS three, I'd like multiple accounts, and then the 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 5: Xbox three sixty that game. 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 4: I know. 43 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 5: I think I could sketch you every map with my 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 5: eyes closed. 45 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 4: But like shocking, it's shocking that you're a nerd. 46 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 5: Shock, that's my nerd. That's my nerd plug MW two 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 5: like that, Like if you know how they have like 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 5: the subcategories you could do like trivia, you pick your 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 5: niche category. I think i'd pick Modern Warfare two. I 50 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 5: could tell you like every good. 51 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: On nineteen WRC plus like, I feel like that's two. 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: That's arm. 53 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 4: Don't you think Jackson's doing coloring books instead of playing 54 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: video games when he was a kid. 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 5: He simulates. Dude builds a team, and then he sims 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 5: the season. 57 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: That's what we show. We've talked about this via text, 58 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: but I guess it's out in the air now. Happy 59 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 3: show Day, guys, Happy Chaz Jism Day to all the 60 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: cover play people. What I do is I will hop 61 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: on like a franchise mode, and it doesn't matter what sport. 62 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 3: I'll get two K to do this, and I will 63 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: do a fantasy draft. I'll see how many picks I 64 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: need to swap for Lowry Marketing to run my four 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: or I see what kind of prospects I have to 66 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: move for Tyler Glasstown to be in my rotation. And 67 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 3: I don't really play games. I just kind of sim it, 68 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: and then when I get bored of that team, I 69 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: just stop in Fantasy draft the next one. So I 70 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: live my GM pipe dreams through video games. It's actually 71 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: by perfect thing. 72 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: I don't actually have to play the game, but my 73 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 4: favorite part of the game would be building the team. 74 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: So I'm with you. 75 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 5: That's what I prefer to do, basically, like legitimately turn 76 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 5: on the PS four to do fangraft zips like that's great, 77 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 5: that sounds great. 78 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: But should we talk about the NL west wind totals? 79 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: I think it's Tom. I guess yeah, so I've got 80 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: them all again courtesy of our folks at ben MGM, 81 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: who have made Peter's background. By the way, is this 82 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: the first time that we're seeing this background? 83 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: First time we're seeing it? It will be heavily used 84 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: for or the Not Gambling Advice Betting Live show, and 85 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: I think it's important we put the Twitch user name 86 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 4: in there. It's gonna be a great show. Arm's gonna 87 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: be on it, Colby's gonna be on it. 88 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: It is going to be my. 89 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: Picks against everybody else's with a chance to win World 90 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: Series tickets. It's gonna be a great competition between a 91 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: lot of the best cappers on Twitter talking baseball, as 92 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 4: well as a host place for our podcast where we're 93 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 4: gonna be bringing in players. We're moving up in the 94 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 4: world step by step and it's exciting and the background 95 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 4: looks great, looks like I'm broadcasting at Wrigley Field. 96 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: Right now. Yes, although it's kind of like springtime Wrigley, 97 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: like April May before the IVY fully fills in, because. 98 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: Exactly it's April May. We're seasonal right now? 99 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: Okay, now follow up? Are you going to add IVY 100 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: in June when it's all the way grown in on 101 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: the outfield? If you make fun of me enough, I 102 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: might shit? Do you want to group bulliam arm? 103 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 5: Do we want more IVY? 104 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 3: I think I want more IVY? 105 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 5: Well see, I'll decide based on what your guys answer is. 106 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 5: The Giants over underwin total? 107 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: Perfect? All right, let's start in the least again all 108 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 3: these totals or courtesy of our friends at bet MGM, 109 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: we're betting with the key of sports books. Let's start 110 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: with Atlanta ninety five and a half. Is the Braves 111 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: projected win total? Before I get your clear cut over 112 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: or under arum? Does Kyle Wright's absence for the first 113 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: couple times for the rotation alter your thinking on this? Yes? 114 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: Or no? Yeah? It does? 115 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 5: You know we've glowed and we just talked about him 116 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 5: on the call up of Jared Schuster and Dylan Dodd. 117 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 5: I like them both a lot, but I like the 118 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 5: one thing that I think we often forget, and fans 119 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 5: often forget, is the difference between an established big leaguer 120 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 5: and a prospect. We were debating whether it's going to 121 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: be Shuster or DoD. Now it's Shuster and Dodd, right, 122 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 5: So you have two rookies debuting in a rotation that 123 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 5: definitely is a bit concerning. But you hope that they 124 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 5: only have to go a few times through the rotation 125 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 5: to do it. But that definitely definitely changes. 126 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: Things for me a little bit. Another question for you arem. 127 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: I don't know if we've completely dove into the von 128 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: Grissom getting sent down what that means for the Braves 129 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: long term. They send him down and ultimately Orlando Arci 130 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: is gonna end up being playing shortstop for them. Who 131 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 4: can pick it a little bit? I know he did 132 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 4: at second base, but shortstop is a little bit different 133 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: than second base, and he's a fine hitter. But I 134 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 4: think we all are in agreement that he doesn't have 135 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 4: the upside of von Grissom. Do you think I know 136 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 4: Grayson just got sent down too. I think you're a 137 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: little bit more upset about that one. But this has 138 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 4: to be one of the assignments that you're most upset about. 139 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: I know, I am. 140 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 5: I was shocked. I was absolutely shocked, especially when when 141 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 5: they send down both him and Shoemake and we see, 142 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 5: you know, Arcia get the look there. I just I 143 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 5: feel like Vaughn either had to be banged up. I 144 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 5: know he was dealing with a little bit of like 145 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 5: a Hernie issue. That that was one report, but I 146 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 5: was shocked because Ron Washington, who's the defensive guru, came 147 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 5: out and said he felt pretty good about how he 148 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 5: looked defensively, but for whatever reason, they want to see 149 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 5: him do it in triple A a little bit more. 150 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: And that one really surprised me because I feel like, 151 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 5: like you said, the upside of Grissom versus Rcia is 152 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 5: not even close. But I guess they want someone that 153 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 5: can't hurt them at shortstop, and I guess if a 154 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 5: rookie is struggling, they could hurt them. I think Arcia 155 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: will hold his own. But that was a surprise to 156 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 5: me in a lot of ways. 157 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: And I guess is the one. This is like the 158 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: one time that I won't lean into the Audrianza bit 159 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: because I think he's a superstar, but having him as 160 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: like the backup plan is not great for a team 161 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: that wants to win the World Series. Rcia is the 162 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: starter is not great. That's pretty cut and dry. But 163 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: you know, you look at Okay, where's plan B. Both 164 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: Plan B and C are in Gwinnett, like that's really tough. 165 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: So if Arcia goes down in a pinch, it's ed 166 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 3: A Audrianza that's starting at shortstop for the Atlanta Braves. 167 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: I love him. I love him as a bench, utility, 168 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: quadruple A guy. I don't love Audrianza as the backup 169 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: shortstop of the team that is rejected to win the 170 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: National League East. 171 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 4: But at the same time, don't you think that if 172 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: he if Arcia were to go down, that they would 173 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 4: call up von Grissom. I'm I assume they're just getting 174 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: him more every day reps because they don't believe he's 175 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: quite ready yet. But let's say Arcia goes down in 176 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 4: the first couple of weeks, I assume it's gonna be 177 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: von Grissom making that start. 178 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: It won't be Audreyanza. Yeah, I'm just worried about like 179 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: the off day, you know what I mean, Because Andre 180 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: or Arcia is going to need a day off in 181 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: the first week or two, right, Dan? What about Dan? 182 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: I mean Dan Spy didn't need days off because he 183 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: was actually a star like Arcia may hit two thirty. 184 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 3: I was more making the joke because he's not on 185 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: the team. Anyay, Oh, okay, fair, Yeah, sorry, that over 186 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: my head, all right? Ninety five and a half over 187 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: or under? And why Peter, I'm gonna go with the over. 188 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 4: They did win one hundred and one games last year, 189 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 4: and that was without Ozzy Alby's for most of the year. 190 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 4: That was with Ronald Occuna Junior basically playing on one leg. 191 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: I expect Matt Old to settle down after a relatively 192 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 4: down year for his standards thirty four home runs last year, 193 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 4: five off of thirty nine the year before with Oakland. 194 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 4: I think he gets back to that thirty nine to 195 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 4: forty home run mark. I think Austin Riley makes a 196 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 4: run for MVP this year, and while there are concerns 197 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: with Kyle Wright through the first couple of times, he's 198 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 4: going to have what twenty to twenty five starts this 199 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: season if he stays healthy. I think Morton actually does 200 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 4: better than he does last year. I know he's older, 201 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 4: but he's always been a guy who's kind of, you know, 202 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: gotten ahead of father time a little bit, and he 203 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 4: was basically throwing off a broken leg which he sustained 204 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: during the twenty twenty one playoffs. The bullpen is otherworldly 205 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 4: elite from top to bottom. There's like six or seven 206 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 4: guys I would rely on to close out ballgames, not 207 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: just be a good reliever, but could actually close games. 208 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 4: I think this team is the class of the National 209 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 4: League East, and I think they are a ninety five 210 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: to ninety six win team. So it's a slight over, 211 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: but I think they win the division and I think 212 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 4: they go slightly over. 213 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 5: If if they were playing the same amount of games 214 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 5: within the division, I would probably take the under just 215 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 5: because I think this division got even better, but based on, 216 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 5: you know the fact that you kind of get around 217 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: the league a little bit more. Now I hate that 218 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 5: Kyle writes hurt. It definitely is impactful. But when you 219 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 5: have the amount of depth that the Braves have rotationally, 220 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 5: I think that really helps you stay afloat in a 221 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 5: one sixty two. It's helping them stay afloat right away. 222 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 5: But I think when you have that kind of depth 223 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 5: rotation wise, you know, that'll help you get through the 224 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 5: whole season and kind of continue to really be impervious 225 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 5: to the losing streak and continue to turn out quality 226 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 5: starts and then the bullpen, as Peter mentioned, like well 227 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: shorten shortened ball games. I'd like to see a better 228 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 5: situation than their left field slash DH situation. But Rosario 229 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 5: has looked more like Rosario this spring, and I think 230 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 5: that would be huge for them, and then we'll see 231 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 5: what they can get from. Even Darnaut could maybe plug 232 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 5: in DH role. I'm going to go over. Because the 233 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 5: division games are cut this year, I think that they'll 234 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 5: be able to really well it right back around one 235 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 5: hundred win mark. And especially adding Sean Murphy, well, I 236 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 5: think it's going to solidify himself as one of the 237 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 5: better catchers in this game. 238 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so clean sweep of the over. And Sean Murphy 239 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 3: is the guy that iid right like, I isolate and 240 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 3: say this is where they got a lot better. And Darnault, 241 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: we know how good of a hitting catcher he is. 242 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,239 Speaker 3: It's not that good of a defensive catcher. William Contreras, 243 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 3: he had a breakout last year, but now you're getting 244 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: a guy that can realistically be solidly in the top 245 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: five catchers in the game by the end of this year, 246 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: and many would argue is already in the top five 247 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: this year. So I think that Murphy as the on 248 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: field captain. If you're not going to have that guy 249 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: short in Dansby, you've got to have that guy behind 250 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: the plate, and I think that it's great to have 251 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: Sean Murphy there. Also think of full year of Michael 252 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: Harris is unbelievably awesome, and that bullpen's really good, which 253 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: is what takes me to the Mets without Diaz. This 254 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: bullpen's not very good. Quintana had that rib procedure done. 255 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: That opens the spot for David Peterson, who might honestly 256 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: be an upgrade. And then you've got that front three 257 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: of Verlander, Scherzer and code Is Sanga, which seems really good. Nimo, 258 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: thankfully that wasn't a serious knee injury. He's back, just 259 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: a little scared. He will be in the lineup on 260 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 3: opening Day. I also like the addition of Omar Narvayaz 261 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: instead of McCann and Nido, but I'm worried about the 262 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: bottom end of this Mets roster, especially with no Baty, 263 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 3: no Vientos on opening Day. I'm gonna go under the 264 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: set ninety two and a half from bet MGM. 265 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 4: I leaned slightly over. I got them winning ninety three 266 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 4: games next year. I think one of the more underrated 267 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: units on the Mets is their defense. They are incredible defensively, 268 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: and I think that's only gonna help them with the 269 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 4: shift being banned. Guys like Francisco Lindor and Jeff McNeil 270 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: up the middle doesn't get much better. Pete Alonzo is better, 271 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 4: has gotten better at first base defense, Martee in a corner, 272 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: Brandon Neimo in center, and then you have guys like 273 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: Omar Nervaaz behind the plate. They're going to be so 274 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 4: good defensively. I think that's gonna save them some runs. 275 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 4: The one area of concern in Jack you touch on 276 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 4: it is the bullpen, because that was already the weakest 277 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 4: link of this team, and it got exponentially weaker when 278 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 4: you lose the best closer in Major League Baseball. I 279 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 4: think they're gonna have trouble, you know, closing out games 280 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 4: with David Robertson Adam mo Otavino. Like we've seen Ottavino 281 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: do great in eighth inning, but there's a difference between 282 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 4: closing out a ballgame and throwing the eighth robertson the 283 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: same way. I think they can be solid. They need 284 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 4: some guys in that bullpen to step up. Maybe a 285 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 4: guy like Drew Smith does that. Overall, I have a 286 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 4: slight lean towards the under. I think this team wins 287 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 4: ninety three games because they're gonna hit and they're gonna 288 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 4: play a lot of great defense. You have a slight 289 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: lead towards the over. Did I say under, Yeah, I 290 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 4: meant over slightly. 291 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 5: The Freudian slip. Peter's got the under crazy now I 292 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 5: pretty much would echo everything Peter said. You know, Diaz, 293 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 5: I don't know if there's a team that. Of course, 294 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 5: it's important when it's the best closer in baseball. I'm 295 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 5: one of the most dominant closers we've seen, maybe since 296 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 5: Mariano or or Craig Kimberle through a couple of years. 297 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 5: But it feels like that that the Edwin Diaz lost 298 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 5: to this team just just hurts a little bit more 299 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: than some of the other teams maybe losing their closer. 300 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 5: I still feel like they could go out and make 301 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 5: a move at some point. I don't think they need 302 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 5: to do it at the beginning of the season, but 303 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 5: you know, I think if the bullpen's really an issue, 304 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 5: like seeing Mark Fiantos, they can go get a really 305 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 5: good reliever for Mark Fiantos, And that's a guy that's 306 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 5: that's pretty blocked right now. Especially with Batty winning in 307 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 5: the wings. I love the options that they have knocking 308 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 5: on the door Offensively, I agree with you, Jack, I 309 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 5: don't like the the back half of that lineup, But 310 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 5: when you have a Francisco Alvarez who's waiting in the wings, 311 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: who even if he doesn't hit for average and you 312 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 5: call him up, that guy will back into twenty bombs 313 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 5: if you give him enough at bats. Brett Batty, I 314 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 5: think is ready. That's the one guy that I really 315 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 5: think should be on this opening day roster. That's another option. 316 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 5: And then you know, I don't hate Tommy fam on 317 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 5: the bench like I think that's a really solide bench 318 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 5: bat for them too. And I'm a big Luigi arm 319 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 5: My fan, not as much as our our guy Ryan Finkelstein, 320 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 5: but I do like Luigi Army a lot. So I 321 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 5: think the thing that puts them over the top for 322 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 5: me is having code I Sanga as that three starter 323 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 5: because I think he's going to be one of the 324 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 5: better three starters in baseball. So I'm gonna go over. 325 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 5: The bullpen could do them in and I can't wait 326 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 5: to just see Mets fans losing their shit about the 327 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 5: bullpen at some points. But I think that it's going 328 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 5: to be able to hold up just enough, and I 329 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 5: think they have their the ability to go get somebody 330 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 5: if they really need to. But I'm going to go. 331 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: Over with the Mets. 332 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 4: I have one question for the both of you. I 333 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 4: was looking into code is Sega and there's no doubt 334 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 4: about the stuff. I was watching more video like this 335 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: guy straight up disgusting. But one thing that I did 336 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 4: notice that I think Mets fans would want to know 337 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 4: as well is the amount of innings that he's thrown 338 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 4: in the MPB. He's only gone over one hundred and 339 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: eighty once, and that was back in twenty nineteen. If 340 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 4: you average out a lot of his seasons to date, 341 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 4: it's around one hundred and forty four innings per season. 342 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 4: I'm curious if you guys think that he can withstand 343 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 4: a one hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy innings 344 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: season in the major leagues with a different ball in 345 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: his first season. That's just what I noticed from looking 346 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 4: at code sagas Baseball Reference that he hasn't been really 347 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 4: a huge innings eater in Japan. I don't doubt the stuff. 348 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 4: I don't doubt when he comes out opening day and 349 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: looks great. Obviously not opening day because it's Max Schurzer, 350 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 4: but his first time around, he's going to look great. 351 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: I was just thinking, because I'm looking at Rookie of 352 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 4: the Year bets too, and I'm like, is he gonna 353 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: throw enough innings to win this? Because a guy like 354 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 4: Spencer Strider threw one hundred and thirty one innings and 355 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 4: looked like the best pitcher live, but Michael Harris won 356 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: the Rookie of the Year. That's that was where my 357 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 4: thoughts were. I was just curious, you guys opinion arm 358 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: you first. 359 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a tough one because I don't think anyone's 360 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 5: really talked about that too much. Where you're looking at 361 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 5: a guy that you know has not really gone through 362 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 5: the rigor of a one sixty two game season, and 363 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 5: also like it's important for him to eat innings because 364 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 5: we don't know how how available shuz Are and Verlander 365 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 5: are going to be through the one sixty two right 366 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 5: obviously through the thirty starts, whatever you want to say, 367 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 5: for them to be on the mount and Carrasco too, 368 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 5: So I think that's a fair question. But I think 369 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 5: having David Peterson there, you know, also, whenever you get 370 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 5: King Tana back, it feels like Kingtana is going to 371 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 5: return just in the nick of time, maybe as some 372 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 5: of these guys starts to fatigue in the dog days, 373 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 5: and that kind of hedges some of the concern for me. 374 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 5: I think that they could probably skip a guy in 375 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: the rotation every once in a while. They might treat 376 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 5: it like the dh roll, where they might just rotate 377 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 5: a gap in the rotation for each of Schurzer, Verlander 378 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 5: and Sanga. I have trust in Buck, you know, show 379 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 5: Walter being able to kind of manage this. I think 380 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: it's a unique situation. I think it's a great point, Peter, 381 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 5: but I feel like with Kintana, assuming he comes back, 382 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 5: they should be able to manage it. 383 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: I was more looking at like Rookie of the Year 384 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 4: stuff to see if he'll accumulated enough if he throws 385 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 4: one give sixty, like that's that should be another That's 386 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 4: what I was even saying, like he hasn't done that 387 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 4: in the past couple of years. Is he going to 388 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 4: do that in his first season in Major League baseball? 389 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 3: That was my concern. Yeah, yeah, And I guess my 390 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: answer is I don't know, right because because we haven't 391 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: seen it, Like I've got no idea. But if he 392 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: went one fifty over there, I think he can go 393 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: one fifty over here. And the thing is, like one 394 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: fifties kind of a full year for major league pitchers now, 395 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: we see very few guys get over one seventy five now, 396 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 3: and two or three get over two hundred on a 397 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: yearly basis. So I'm not too worried if he goes 398 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifty five one hundred and sixty innings, 399 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: and even if he's at you know, the number that 400 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: he's been at the last couple of years, one forty, 401 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: I think that's because they are being safe. And I 402 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: don't think it's like, yeah, I don't think you have 403 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: to be safe with Verlander and Schurzer, But like those 404 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: guys know when their knees sing when it rains, you 405 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: know what I mean, so they're gonna be very honest 406 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: with Buck show Walter when it's like, hey, I need 407 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: a skip this time through the rotation. And then you 408 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: go to Tyler McGill or you give Eliezer Hernandez a 409 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 3: spot start, and I know that name just made arm shiver. 410 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 5: I'll be fading that game. 411 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's fine, it's the Mets. You can fade 412 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: one game if Eliezer needs to make a spot start 413 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 3: in order to get one hundred percent of Verlander or 414 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: Scherzer or Sanga. There you go. That's the only question 415 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: I want to answer. All right, So you two went over. 416 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 3: I went under ninety two and a half, Philly eighty 417 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: eight and a half. I go under because Derek Hall 418 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: looks like the opening day First Basement, and you got 419 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 3: Bryce Harper out for a couple of months, you got 420 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: Painter dealing with this partially torn ucl that he's going 421 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: to try and throw through. I'm really worried about what's happened, 422 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: and I think I would go over this number on 423 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: February twenty fifth, But on March twenty seventh, as we record, 424 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: I'm going under. This team is fragile and they're showing 425 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: their fragility right now in spring training. I'm with you. 426 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 4: I'm a slight under though I have this team winning 427 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: eighty eight games, so eighty eight and a half, I'll 428 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 4: take a slide under, but I'm not very confident in it. 429 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 4: I think this team is better defensively than they were. 430 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 4: I think they, you know, with a full roster, can 431 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 4: be as good offensively when you add in a guy 432 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 4: like Trey Turner. Of course, losing Reese Hoskins for the 433 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 4: season is terrible. Bryce Harper is probably gonna come back 434 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 4: in June, and I am slightly worried about the rotation. 435 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 4: I'm not worried about Wheeler or Nola, but Ranger Swarz 436 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 4: is dealing with an injury. You know, Andrew Paynter is 437 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 4: dealing with an injury, and they're gonna have to make 438 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 4: some spot starts with guys that I'm not very confident in. 439 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: And when Tywan Walker is your third starter all year, 440 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 4: if Ranger Swarrez isn't fully healthy, that's worriesome. I do 441 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 4: like the bullpen. I think it's solid, and I think 442 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 4: this is one of those teams that squeak into the playoffs. 443 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 4: Maybe they're the last wild Card, but then they could 444 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: easily go on a run again because them and the Padres, 445 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: who we'll talk about later, are so set up for 446 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: the playoffs while a lot of other teams are better 447 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: set up for the regular season. While they improve slightly 448 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 4: on defense, it's still not a good defensive team, which 449 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 4: is only going to get more exposed with the shifting band. 450 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 4: But overall this is a solid team. I got them 451 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 4: in eighty eight wins, but I'm a lean slightly. 452 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 5: Under Yeah, So the one thing that sticks out to 453 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 5: me is the rotation is maybe one injury away from catastrophe. 454 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 5: You know, if one of Noah or Wheeler. I know 455 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 5: Noah has been incredibly durable and as has Wheeler over 456 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 5: the last last couple of years. But if one of 457 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 5: those guys goes down, Jesus, this rotation like a liability. 458 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 5: And then you look at the and again, I'm not 459 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 5: saying that the Phillies are a bad team. They are 460 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 5: a very solid team. But as we're looking over underwin totals, 461 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 5: I'm trying to kind of like see what the doomsday 462 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 5: scenario is here looking at the lineup. You know, I 463 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 5: love the addition of trade Turner, how can't you love 464 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 5: the addition of Trade Turner. Derek Hall is interesting, right, 465 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 5: Like he's got power, he also struck out thirty two 466 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 5: percent of the time. Like, we'll see how he holds down. 467 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 5: I can promise you he's not Race Hoskins. There's enough 468 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 5: guys in this lineup where it's like I could see 469 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: them not excelling offensively and that's probably not a good thing, right, 470 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 5: Like we'll see how they are at first base with 471 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 5: Derek Hall, We'll see how they are at third base 472 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 5: with Alec Bohm, Like, I know he's shown flashes, but 473 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 5: you'll get the numbers overall. They wanted that great who's 474 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 5: playing left to start the season? Like is it gonna 475 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 5: be Josh Harrison? Like, I don't know what they're gonna 476 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 5: do there. There's a legit scenario where Brandon marsh is 477 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 5: underwhelming offensively though I like him, we have to see 478 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: and then what's Nick Castiano's gonna do this year? Is 479 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 5: he gonna bounce back? I don't know. I like the 480 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 5: bullpen too, but ultimately I'm gonna go slight under. But 481 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 5: you know, they could get Bryce Harper back and he 482 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 5: could literally carry them on his back again. But I 483 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 5: think slight under and they're gonna be around the wild 484 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 5: card all year and that's all they need. That's the 485 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 5: thing too, is I think they kind of know that 486 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 5: they're probably gonna be a wild card team and could 487 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 5: probably do the same exact thing they did last year. 488 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 4: Just to give the Glassholf full approach, because I do 489 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 4: see a path of the Phillies being very good and 490 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: being a shinty plus win team. Because let's say Alec 491 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 4: Bohm takes that next step, next step up and looks 492 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 4: like the guy that we all thought he could be, 493 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 4: Bryson Stott takes that leap, Trey Turner continues to be 494 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 4: a stud and kind of leans into his L two 495 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 4: ve era where he leans into that power which we 496 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: saw in the World Baseball Classic. We've seen that in 497 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 4: spring training so far. Derek Hall might even be better 498 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 4: defensively than a guy like Grease Hoskins, and he might 499 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 4: strike out more. But let's say it's twenty to twenty 500 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: five home runs, I don't think we'd be totally shocked. 501 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 4: Then you have Schwarber, you have Marsh and you have Costianos. 502 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 4: Who Costianos, let's say he bounces back a little bit offensively, 503 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 4: and let's say Brandon Marsh at least maintains what he 504 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 4: did on the Phillies, which was solid. And then you 505 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 4: have the best catcher in baseball and jt Ryl Muto. 506 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: And when these guys come back healthy, which should be 507 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: at least relatively soon in the rotation, especially with Rangers Suarez, 508 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 4: there is a path here to a very very good team. 509 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 4: But I think there are too many question marks to 510 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: sit here on March twenty seven and say yes, all 511 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 4: of that will happen. So I sort of lean to 512 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 4: what arm was saying in my prediction that some of 513 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 4: those things fall short and they end up winning eighty 514 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: seven to eighty eight games. 515 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: Right. 516 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 5: One thing, real quick, to Jack's point, if you asked 517 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 5: me this three weeks ago, and there's no forearm strain 518 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 5: for Ranger Suarez and Rayce Hoskins is healthy, I'm going over. 519 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 5: And that's really the difference for me right now. It's 520 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 5: a couple of games, and that's that's it. 521 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that the pendulum can swing this much 522 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: like we're talking about that outcome, and that outcome. 523 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 4: Right from really important players. They're really important players that 524 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: are injured. 525 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 3: It's not incredibly Yeah, And like Bryce Harper, I know 526 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 3: he was playing with a torn uco, But how's he 527 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 3: gonna do when he misses three months? You know what 528 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: I mean, He's gonna be sick. Yeah, of course, of 529 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: course Bryce Harper is gonna be great, But like what 530 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: if he's not in a thousand ops? 531 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 532 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that I have to ask all these 533 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: questions about all these guys makes me shoot under eighty 534 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: eight and a half. Still love this team though, Still 535 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: like when we say under, when we say under, that 536 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: doesn't mean oh, yeah, they're winning seventy one games. No, 537 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: I have them under because I have been winning eighty eight. 538 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 3: So like, if it was eighty seven and a half, 539 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: I go over. It's that close, right, Miami tventy six 540 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: and a half arm the floor is yours? 541 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 5: What was it, seventy seven and a half? 542 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 3: Seventy six, ninety four and a half and a half. 543 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 5: This team is hard, man, Like, this team is really difficult. 544 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 5: It's just kind of setting the stage. I think this 545 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 5: could be the worst defensive team in baseball the way 546 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 5: I've kind of summed it up, with the way that 547 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 5: they're kind of allocating things defensively, their best defensive second 548 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 5: basement is at shortstop, their second best defensive second basement 549 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 5: isn't center, their third best defensive second basement is at third, 550 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 5: and their fourth best second baseman defensively is at second, 551 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 5: So that in itself is concerning Jazz. I don't know 552 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 5: how he's gonna play in center. Jacob Stallings was majorly 553 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 5: disappointing behind the dish last year. The lineup will be 554 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 5: better because I love Luis Rayas. I think that's exactly 555 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 5: what they need. But can that guy change in offense? 556 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 5: Probably not obviously. Al Garcia I think might be the 557 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 5: worst hitter in Major League baseball. 558 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: Uh. 559 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 5: He went two for thirty five to finish out the 560 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 5: spring with fifteen strikeouts. But everyone wants to talk about 561 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 5: how he lost twenty pounds. That doesn't help you. 562 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: He worked on his diet, Yeah, but relations between Is there. 563 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 5: A correlation between sugar sugary foods and chasing breaking balls? 564 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: Bro? 565 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 5: Like, I just don't understand that. 566 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: That sounds like the next dive? 567 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, that might be the next dive. 568 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: I like Huey Guriel. 569 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 5: I actually do think that helps a lot. And I 570 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 5: think Garrett Cooper, you know, just getting him off his 571 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 5: feet at any point possible is great. There's just too 572 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 5: much volatility there. And then I look at the rotation. 573 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 5: I love Sandy, but a Sandy gonna match what he 574 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 5: did last year like pretty hard to do. Was Zardo's awesome, 575 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 5: but he and Edward Cabrera have injury issues. Trevor Rodgers 576 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 5: gave up a home run to Jesus Sanchez today that 577 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 5: went like four to eighty. Rodgers has been Jack going Hyde. 578 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 5: I think we'll be all right, but you know, we'll 579 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 5: see what they get there. And then Johnny Quato's already 580 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 5: a little banged up, so we'll see how he is. 581 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 5: Then the bullpen is a mystery. So all that to say, 582 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 5: I'm going under this team. To me, you bet the 583 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 5: under on the Marlins. You're usually in good shape, and 584 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 5: I think that's the cases here. But there is a 585 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 5: scenario where this team, and I said this when I 586 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 5: did my Marlins preview, the one thing that this team 587 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 5: has going for itself in terms of the Grant scheme 588 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 5: of the Marlins is that there is an outside chance 589 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 5: that they can win eighty games. And I've not been 590 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 5: able to say that about a Marlins team in a 591 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 5: long time. But this whole rotation, if it stays healthy 592 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: and pitches to its potential, could could really carry it 593 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 5: to an eighty one season, assuming that some of the 594 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 5: guys like sol Air, you know, bounce back. And remember 595 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 5: Gees Chill missed one hundred games last year and was 596 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 5: an All Star, so that helps as well too. But again, 597 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 5: it's gone up a lot, and Peter can speak to 598 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 5: like the line movement. If it was seventy two and 599 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 5: a half, I'm probably taking me over, which is what 600 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 5: it opened at. But I think they win seventy four 601 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 5: to seventy five games. 602 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of hope in Miami, and there's 603 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 4: a lot of hope outside of Miami. 604 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 5: Because I say I don't think it's in Miami. I'd 605 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 5: say there's hope outside of Miami and in the betting skate. 606 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 4: It is interesting because you know, when I'm doing all 607 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 4: of these different wind totals, you know, I talked about 608 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 4: it on Not Gambling Advice to the podcast, and there's 609 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 4: plenty of articles written on Just Baseball dot com about 610 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 4: all these different wind totals, and the Marlins have one 611 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 4: of the biggest jumps from the opener to where they 612 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 4: currently sit at right now, and they currently hold one 613 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 4: of the highest handles, and the handle is the definition 614 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 4: of the total sum amount of money on a team. 615 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 4: They're one of the most popular over bets of the 616 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 4: bucks and it's reflected from a line jump from seventy 617 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 4: two and a half to seventy six and a half. 618 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 4: Now that we understand the betting angle that it's very 619 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: popular over when not a lot of times those hit, 620 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 4: you have to lean the under. But at the same time, 621 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 4: arm I would have taken the over at seventy two 622 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 4: and a half. I have this team winning seventy five games. 623 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: I can see the hope right Like there's a lot 624 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 4: of guys on offense who you expect to do better, 625 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 4: Like I expect Jorge Soler to have a better year. 626 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: I expect avisl Garcia do have a better year. I'm 627 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 4: excited for Brian de la Cruz to be on this 628 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 4: team opening day. Whether he is or not, I'm not even. 629 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 3: Sure he will. 630 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 4: He would goold and he should be because I think 631 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: he could actually be the answer in center field, not defensively, 632 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: but at least offensively. I think he can hit Luisa Rise. 633 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 4: I think is a great hitter, and people forget he's 634 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: twenty five years old. He showed the power in the WBC, 635 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 4: and it seems like a place that he could thrive 636 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 4: with a huge ballpark and just spring balls in the gaps. 637 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 4: Maybe more singles are dropping for a guy like him. 638 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 4: Jas Chisholm's staying healthy all year. I'm worried about that. 639 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 4: But the overarching point is they aren't a team that's 640 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 4: gonna benefit from the rule changes the shift. They need 641 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 4: a better defense, and they might be the worst defensive 642 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 4: team in Major League Baseball. They won sixty eight games, 643 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 4: with Sandy winning the cy Young unanimously like I just 644 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 4: don't see a eight game jump for this team because 645 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: the bull is arguably worse than it was last year 646 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 4: and it was one of baseball's worst bullpens. I do 647 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 4: think they improved. I think the offense will be better. 648 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 4: I think some of the pitchers, like Haycu's Zzardo Edward 649 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 4: Cabrera holding up for at least seventy five percent of 650 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 4: the season is huge, and they've hedged it with depth 651 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 4: in the rotation with Jake Eater coming up. Brax and 652 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 4: Garrett I still do like, and then the possibility of 653 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: Yuri Prez. I have the team winning seventy five games. 654 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 4: So if you gave me a seventy two and a half, 655 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 4: I go over this current line at seventy six and 656 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 4: a half. 657 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: Give me the under. I could wax poetic about how 658 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: I think Lozardo is gonna be healthy for the entire year, 659 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: and I think Luis Arise is awesome. But listen, Dusty 660 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: May is America's sweetheart, the head coach of the Florida 661 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: Atlantic Owls in bocare its own. Miami basketball just went 662 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: to their first Final four in program history. There's something, 663 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: there's something in the water in South Florida right now. Wow, 664 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 3: I'm all the way fucking in. Wow over. 665 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 4: Atlantic University making it to the final fourth. About the 666 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 4: sun and the ocean and soflow. 667 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 3: Right now, I'm in. 668 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 5: I will say, I do want to give one last drop, 669 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 5: one last positivity thing. The rotation of Sandy with I 670 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 5: think Wizardo's gonna shove this year. Edward was insane against 671 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 5: the Cardinals, Like legit Cardinals lineup and then Trevor. If 672 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 5: Trevor's your four. This rotation could be one of the 673 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 5: most exciting young rotations in baseball. So there's a scenario 674 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 5: where you know, I eat Crow on that one. But again, 675 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 5: like I'll stand on the other side of the aisle 676 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 5: when I'm making predictions when it comes to the Marlins. 677 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Washington, So your immediate thought is fart noises. 678 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: The Washington Nationals fifty nine and a half, the same 679 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 3: total as Oakland. This team I think has more watchability 680 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: than the Oakland A's by a lot, by a lot. C. 681 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: J Abrams Key, Bert Ruiz, Joey Manesis of WBC fame. 682 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: They're giving Damer Candelario another shot, They're giving Dom Smith 683 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 3: another shot. Luis Garcia doesn't walk, so you know you're 684 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: gonna go and see swings Man and then you got Yeah, 685 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 3: Patrick Corbin is the opening day starter, barf. But Josiah Gray, 686 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 3: can he be worse? I'm not sure. Mackenzie Gore maybe 687 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 3: for a full year he's healthy. That's kind of exciting. 688 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: Fifty nine and a half is an incredibly low number. 689 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: And if I took the over on Oakland because the 690 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: number was so low, I have to take the over 691 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: on Washington because that number is so low. 692 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 4: I have been going back and forth on this total 693 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 4: because I think maybe in my podcast or on a 694 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: ride up, I said, over and the more I look 695 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 4: at this roster, I actually think they'll finish with the 696 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 4: worst record in Major League Baseball. Damn, the pitching is atrocious, guys, Yeah, 697 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 4: they got Strasburg. The pitching is atrocious. Like, they have 698 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 4: some of the worst pitchers in baseball, all on the 699 00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 4: same team. It's Corbin, it's Josiah Gray. It's like you 700 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 4: hold Mackenzie Gore like that's a nice name to say, 701 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 4: But how much of an impact is he truly going 702 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 4: to make this year? I look at the lineup. There 703 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 4: are some fun players. I like Keeber Luiz, I like CJ. Abrams, 704 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 4: but Abrams hasn't shown that potential as a prospect that 705 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 4: we all shown anything he would, he hasn't shown much. 706 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 4: Ruiz I expect to be better this year. I like 707 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 4: Joey Manesis, but like, there's a reason, Hi Merk Candelario 708 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 4: is now on the Nationals. There's a reason that, you know, 709 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 4: a better team didn't. 710 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: Pick up a guy like that. Maybe it was his decision. 711 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 4: He wanted more playing time and that was an area 712 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 4: where he could But I don't know. 713 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: But I'm not. 714 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 4: Excited about the Bullpen. I'm not excited about the rotation. 715 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 4: I'm actually going to go under on the Nationals. I 716 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 4: think they finish with fifty six wins this year. 717 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 5: Doesn't this team kind of remind you Jack when you 718 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 5: forget to resign your impending free agents and you simulate 719 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 5: the offseason and then you're like, oh shit, where did 720 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 5: my team go? 721 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: Well, we just went over that. 722 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all I do, and I go oh fuck 723 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 5: o fuck a fuck j Yeah, well, is gonna be 724 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 5: one of the good Like it's like, oh shit, I 725 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 5: got Dom Smith, Candelario, I got a thirty four year 726 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 5: old Corey Dickerson. Here's the thing. I like these bums 727 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 5: better than Oakland's bumps, I think. Okay, my argument will 728 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 5: be that I think Manesta's is actually, like, might be 729 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 5: one of the best players between the two teams. Offensively, 730 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 5: He's good. Corey Dickerson like, he still hits, man Like, 731 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 5: he can still hit a little bit. I think Abrams 732 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 5: will get better. He's twenty two Williams at this point, right, Yeah, 733 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 5: he was sneaky Okay last year. Mackenzie Gore is solid. 734 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 5: Pat Corbyn can't be worse. Jose Ia A. Gray might 735 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 5: be worse. I don't know. Hunter Harvey is actually nasty. 736 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be closing games for them, and 737 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 5: then Jacob Lou. Look out for Jaco Lou. They're gonna 738 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 5: plug that dude into the outfield and he's gonna be 739 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 5: a guy. They also have Still Garrett, who performed last year. 740 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 5: I think they've got enough options to like salvage sixty wins. 741 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 5: I'm taking the over, and I think CJ. Abrams kind 742 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 5: of breaks out a little bit this year, which really 743 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 5: helps for them. 744 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 3: Let's go, all right, NL CenTra. Peter's just shaking his head. 745 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 3: You guys are crazy like Stone Garrett performed like. 746 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 2: We got it. 747 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 3: Like they're all like Stone Garrett. Maybe the difference between 748 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 3: fifty nine and sixty one wins, you know what I'm saying, 749 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 3: could be Yeah, all right, Saint Louis is at eighty 750 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 3: nine and a half a reference Milwaukee's at eighty five 751 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 3: and a half. So there is no team in the 752 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 3: NL Central that is at ninety. That feels like a 753 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 3: low total. But then you look at the starting rotation 754 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, this might be a high total, 755 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 3: and you. 756 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 4: Look at the fact that they won't be able to 757 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 4: play the Reds and the Pirates, and you know, the 758 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 4: Cubs aren't a bad team, but they're a below average team. 759 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 4: Like yeah, like they're gonna have to play this Central 760 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 4: especially in the National League, is going to have some 761 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 4: troubles with this change. But at the same time, the 762 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 4: Cardinals are a team that I think is gonna greatly 763 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 4: benefit from. 764 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 3: The rule changes. 765 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 4: Talking about the team on defense, I think they are 766 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 4: the best defensive team in Major League Baseball. They're a 767 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 4: team that Rex havoc on the base pass. They're gonna 768 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 4: steal a ton of bases. They're gonna have one of 769 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 4: the best lineups in baseball combined with one of the 770 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 4: best defensive lineups in baseball. But Adam Wainwright is going 771 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 4: opening day thrown in the mid to high eighties. Miles 772 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 4: Michaelis looks good. They give him an extension. 773 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 3: I don't I. 774 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,959 Speaker 4: Feel good about him, but I feel good about j Mott, 775 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 4: Like I feel good about Jordan Montgomery having like a 776 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 4: three eight era. 777 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 3: Larity suck nuts his last time out. 778 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 4: Which is nuts because he's the guy who I just like, 779 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 4: keep holding out hope for keep doing it, keep doing it, 780 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 4: and like the leash is running thin with Jack Flaherty 781 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 4: of me continuing to believe in the talent that he has. 782 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 4: I really am hoping for a good season, but my 783 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 4: baseball brain is saying, don't rely on him at all. 784 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 4: And you can't really rely on Steven Mattz. He hasn't 785 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 4: given you a fully healthy season, and I don't know 786 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 4: how long it. 787 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 5: Has been fantastic this spring though, for what that's worth. 788 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 4: I know it's worth something. But let's see you throw 789 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty innings this year. I have no 790 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 4: doubts that Steven Mattz, when he throws five innings and 791 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 4: is healthy, is a good pitcher. I have my doubts 792 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 4: on staying healthy over the full season, So I think 793 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 4: the rotation is a big issue, and I think the 794 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 4: bullpen is good. 795 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 3: Not great. 796 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting that they optioned Hennis's Cabrera. 797 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 4: I'm going under I think this is an eighty eight 798 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 4: or eighty nine win team. I don't think anyone in 799 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 4: the National League Central wins ninety games this year. I 800 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 4: still think they win the division, but I think it's 801 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 4: going to be rather close, and I don't see them 802 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 4: winning ninety games this year. 803 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,479 Speaker 3: This is tough. 804 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 5: I am worried about this team, like in terms of 805 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 5: and not worried about the Cardinals, but just worried about 806 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 5: them in relation to dominating the central right Like I 807 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 5: think the Brewers could hang around with them, and if 808 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 5: the value is right on a bed, I would consider it. 809 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 5: But I still think the Cardinals are going to like 810 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 5: just back their way in ninety one wins. With the 811 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 5: way that this team can hit, with the way that 812 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 5: with the depth that they have, with the way that 813 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 5: they're gonna be able to mix and match lineups to 814 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 5: put guys in it like to me, they remind me 815 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 5: of they don't have the pitching, but like lineup wise, 816 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 5: they remind me of like a better version of that 817 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 5: Insane Giants team where they were just able to put 818 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 5: guys in positions for success on the favorable side of 819 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 5: a platoon, just keep guys fresh, rotate, and just basically 820 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 5: always put their best foot forward. Lineup wise, I really 821 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 5: like the addition to Wilson Contraras, which because I think 822 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 5: their catching position was the worst in baseball with YACHTI 823 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 5: last year, I think that's gonna be a big difference. 824 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 5: The pitching is a big question, but if they can 825 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 5: get anything from Matt's and I still think they make 826 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 5: a trade. They've got so much depth. I think they 827 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 5: could go finally get somebody. 828 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 4: We keep saying that they don't fucking do it. 829 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 5: They got it if they I think if they're tracking 830 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 5: towards eighty five wins or eighty four wins, then they 831 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 5: do it. So I'm gonna bet on John Mosey Lock. 832 00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go over. 833 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 3: It's tough because they need the outsource talent to help 834 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 3: them in the starting pitching department, like Grisefo will on 835 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 3: start the year in triple You think. 836 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 5: I'm gonna say it actually real quick. I think Matthew 837 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 5: Libertore might actually be okay this year. 838 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 3: Wow? 839 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 5: Why starting to throw a sinker? 840 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 3: Okay? 841 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, his fudgeoned, his will play, sinker will play. 842 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you just changed my entire outlook on life. 843 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 3: If Libby's thrown a sinker, there's no way he did 844 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: that over Saint louis Is at one hundred and ten 845 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 3: win team. If thrown a sinker, no man. I mean, 846 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,479 Speaker 3: if Libby can fill a spot, that's excellent. I feel 847 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 3: better about Grisepo filling a spot if he starts well 848 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 3: in triple but that's another guy that has yet to 849 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 3: throw a major league ining, you know what I mean. 850 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 3: So like, I don't understand why Yepez is still on 851 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 3: the roster if he's gonna be a Memphis Redbird, you 852 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, get him out, let him 853 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 3: go be a major leaguer elsewhere, and go trade him. 854 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 3: We're a good starting pitcher, So that's my qualm. They 855 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 3: have so much depth, and there's this glaring hole and 856 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 3: they've done nothing about it, which is why my mind 857 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 3: goes to under But now that Arum just you know, 858 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 3: almost guided me to a revelation. 859 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 5: I go over they're trading for They'll trade for a 860 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,479 Speaker 5: pitcher in June. 861 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, do you promise? 862 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 5: I promise. 863 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 864 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 4: And I just want to be clear too. I still 865 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 4: like the Cardinals. I still think they're going to win 866 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 4: the division. 867 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 3: No, Bro, you said they were a win team. 868 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 4: I think they were nine win team. You just said 869 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 4: they were asked the fans of Saint Louis are some 870 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 4: of the best in baseball. 871 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 3: I want them to know that. While you might hear 872 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 3: jacket Arm chirping in that, I think there was sixty 873 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 3: win the fans in Saint Louis. I love the fans 874 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 3: and side. 875 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 5: I just got a text from Peter Stop. I don't 876 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 5: actually mute them. 877 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 4: I don't know if you could do it on your 878 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 4: radio if you're listening to the cart them. 879 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 3: I don't know that they're saying or next Milwaukee eighty 880 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: five and a half. I immediately think over. 881 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 4: Sneakye okay, so I can I start first? 882 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 5: No? 883 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 4: Sorry, I had to jump in because this is the 884 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 4: most interesting team in Major League Baseball. I think from 885 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 4: a wind total perspective, everything in my gambling brain wants 886 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 4: me to take the over because this is seems like 887 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 4: an inflated line. This seems pretty big, and I really 888 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 4: like the rotation. Like when you want to bet on 889 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 4: an over win total, you better believe in the rotation. 890 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 4: And when you have Brandon Woodruff, Corbin Burns and Freddy Peralta, 891 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 4: like that is going to get you far. And when 892 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 4: you have Devin Williams closing games, he's as good as 893 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 4: anybody in Major League baseball. I like some of the 894 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 4: bats in the lineup. I like some of the rookies 895 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 4: that are gonna come up. I actually this line moved 896 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 4: from eighty three and a half to eighty five and 897 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 4: a half. I had them as an eighty five win team. 898 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 3: So at the opener, I like the over. 899 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 4: But now it's like, if I think they win eighty 900 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 4: five games and are eighty five and a half, I'm 901 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 4: gonna go under. But I actually think the smart bet, 902 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 4: if you want to gamble, is to take the Brewers over, 903 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 4: and to take the Brewers to win the division. My 904 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 4: one worry with the Brewers is if they are not 905 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 4: playing well, they will sell. Corbyn Burns has already uttered 906 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 4: that he's very unhappy here. You know, he's gonna be 907 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 4: a free agent soon. Brandon Woodruff is a free agent 908 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 4: after twenty twenty four. They could do an incredible fire sale, 909 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 4: get a boatload of prospects, and just reset. I could 910 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 4: totally see that. So that's WI ling the under here. 911 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 4: But I do like this team orrow, I do. 912 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 3: I like it. 913 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 5: I mean Bryce touring, I hear you though, like that 914 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 5: this is a team that will blow it up if 915 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 5: they if they struggle, but at that point they'd be 916 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 5: tracking for the under anyways, So I'll just tip my 917 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 5: cap and take the l there. What really puts them 918 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 5: over the top for me is. I feel like this 919 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 5: offense has a lot more potential than it's had in 920 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 5: the past, even the lower level, Like the replacements that 921 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 5: they've they've put in there, I think will benefit so 922 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 5: much from the environment that they're in now, like a 923 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 5: Jesse Winker, Like what better opportunity to bounce back A 924 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,479 Speaker 5: William Contreras who would have had seven more home runs 925 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 5: last year playing in in you know, American Family Field 926 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 5: and fam you know and FAM. I love Bryce Torrang 927 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 5: with all my heart, and I think he's gonna be 928 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 5: one of the best nine hitters in baseball this year. 929 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 5: He's gonna set the table beautifully. And then we talked 930 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 5: about the rotation. I I really do believe in this rotation. 931 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 5: I don't think it's possible not to believe in it. 932 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 5: I understand the concerns with the bullpen, but when you 933 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 5: have one of the best closers in baseball with Devin Williams, 934 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 5: that always helps. And they've got a lot of guys 935 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 5: that could come up and help, like a lot of 936 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 5: prospects knocking on the door in triple A, which I 937 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 5: also think is important as well. I'm gonna go over. 938 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 5: I actually think that this is a one of the 939 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,399 Speaker 5: more underrated teams in baseball, and I think that they're 940 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 5: they're going to surprise a lot of people. 941 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 3: I like it. 942 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 4: Arm how many games do you think they're gonna win? 943 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 3: I think eighty eight eighty eight? Fuck yeah. 944 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 5: I really like the defense too. I think up the 945 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 5: middle with terreng and having a Domis there is really solid. 946 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 5: I think Arias at third base is great. I just 947 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 5: I really like this team overall. I think it's really balanced. 948 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 5: Garrett Mitchell will be out of there. They'll put south 949 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 5: Freelick in there pretty soon, and I think that's another option. 950 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 5: And if he's not out of there, that means he's 951 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 5: playing well. So you know, They've got just so many options. 952 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 5: And then I'm still I'm not giving up on BA. 953 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 5: I think Brian Anderson is going to be a nice 954 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 5: little piece for them. I really do. 955 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 3: Can I say that I really like this catching tandem 956 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 3: with William Contreras and Caratini switch hitter Victor Carrotini. Yeah, okay, 957 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 3: thank you for allowing me. 958 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 4: To say that, But I'm not going to allow you 959 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 4: to say that. There's no way you like Victor Krottini. 960 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 3: I like him as a backup catcher. I think that 961 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 3: Carottini is a good option as a backup catcher. Also, 962 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 3: the first base tandem of Rowdy Talez and the newly 963 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 3: signed Luke Void to a major league deal, the vibe 964 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 3: check with Flying Colors. Yeah, so I'm a fan of that. 965 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 3: But like serious baseball front I mean, Arm and I 966 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 3: have talked about Terrang a lot on the call up. 967 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 3: I love Teraran when I saw him in Nashville. I 968 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 3: think Terrang is gonna be a great second basement for them. Yeah, 969 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,320 Speaker 3: Garrett Mitchell, I love Arms. Point there, right, It's like, 970 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 3: if Garrett Mitchell's still in the lineup on May fifteenth, 971 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 3: it's because he's playing well. If he's not, then it's 972 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 3: Freelick Weimer could force himself up there as well. I 973 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 3: just think there's enough offense here to supple or compliment 974 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 3: the great starting rotation, so I go over. I also 975 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 3: think this is like an eighty six eighty seven win 976 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 3: team cool. 977 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 4: So we're all just the difference of like Arms at 978 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 4: eighty eight, I'm at eighty five, so that means I'm 979 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 4: on the under, he's on the over. But we're all 980 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 4: pretty you know, square and thinking. The Brewers are going 981 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 4: to be a good team this year unless they blow 982 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 4: it up. 983 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 3: For sure, for sure, all right, Cubs seventy seven and 984 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 3: a half by bet MGM. I like the under. I 985 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 3: think I think that this team has a lot of 986 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 3: on paper sex appeal. I think that people are really 987 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 3: excited by the idea of Cody Bellinger and Trey Mancini, 988 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 3: who I do think will bounce back. We've talked about that. 989 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 3: I'm just worried that like Bellinger is gonna suck again 990 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 3: and this rotation may suck. Although I feel good about Wesnsky, 991 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 3: I don't know the bullpen lacks any appeal whatsoever. There 992 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 3: are just a lot of areas of the Chicago Cubs 993 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,240 Speaker 3: roster where I'm like, Okay, you are not a finished product, 994 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 3: and I don't see that as a five hundred team. 995 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 3: I see this is like a seventy three to seventy 996 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 3: five win team. 997 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,839 Speaker 4: I totally agree with you. I'm going with the under two. 998 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 4: I think this line is just a little bit too inflated. 999 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 4: It's another one of the most popular over bets on books. 1000 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 4: It's funny with the Cubs, and why I think they're 1001 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 4: going in the right direction is that, like a lot 1002 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,800 Speaker 4: of their young pieces, right. I love Hayden wesn Netsky, 1003 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 4: I love Javier Asad. You know, I love a lot 1004 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 4: of some of the guys on offense too. It's just 1005 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 4: these old veterans that are going to be playing a 1006 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 4: hunt for them. Like I don't think Cody Bellinger is 1007 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 4: going to bounce back. I don't like the first base 1008 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 4: tandam I much rather nervous up there. And that's why 1009 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 4: I think the Cubs are on the right track to 1010 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 4: competing in twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five if 1011 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 4: they get some big time free agents. I think they 1012 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 4: plugged holes with guys that they could find this year 1013 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 4: to remain competitive. I just don't see it as the year. 1014 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 4: I think their bullpen is slightly below average, I think 1015 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,879 Speaker 4: their rotation is slightly below average, and I think their 1016 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,240 Speaker 4: offensive defense is slightly below average. 1017 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 3: So what do you get with that? 1018 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 4: I think it's around seventy five wins. I think them 1019 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 4: and the Marlins finished with the same amount of wins, 1020 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,240 Speaker 4: So I'm going under with the Chicago Cubs. 1021 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 5: Who do you fear in this lineup? Who do you 1022 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 5: not want to pitch to in this lineup? 1023 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 3: Tucker Barnhardt like dance by legitimate. 1024 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 5: Question, dance by Swanson is the guy that you don't 1025 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 5: want up. 1026 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 3: With the big one hundred this spring? Like one hundred? 1027 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the correct answer is Ian Halp personally, 1028 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 5: but that still is like, Okay, I'm not fearing Anne Hap. 1029 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 5: I think the Cubs are heading in a great direction 1030 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 5: to Peter's point, and the system is good, the plan 1031 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,359 Speaker 5: is clear, but it's not happening this year, and I'm 1032 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 5: not I know that we're not even betting like the 1033 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,840 Speaker 5: playoffs happening. I just think this team is gonna stink. Also, 1034 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 5: if they're smart, which they are, I like what they're 1035 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 5: doing overall. If Tucker Barnhart's having a decent year, you're 1036 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 5: trading that dude prospects. 1037 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 3: You might trade Bellinger. 1038 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, if Bellinger's playing, he's gone. If Mancini's performing, see ya, 1039 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 5: and Osmer won't perform, So you know, like that, That's 1040 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 5: kind of where I'm at on that. And then the 1041 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 5: rotation like man Steele like doesn't look like he's fully 1042 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 5: himself right now. We'll see how he you know, how 1043 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 5: he continues to work through that. He said he felt 1044 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 5: like he was throwing underwater. I don't like Smiley as 1045 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 5: an option. Tyne's fine and Stroman's fine. But like the 1046 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 5: one area that I think is underrated is the bullpen. 1047 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 5: I do like the options they have there. I think 1048 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 5: there's some guys that could surprise esecially if if they 1049 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 5: get anything out of Merriwether. Brendon Hughes was good last year. Yeah, 1050 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 5: but still I'm going over pretty pretty easily. 1051 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 4: I think they went seventy three seven you mean under 1052 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 4: wait under under Rodian slip Fordiance Frodian slip so over 1053 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,280 Speaker 4: all right under. 1054 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 3: So real quick before we move off of the Cubs. 1055 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 3: Odds Shark and like Peter, you probably know about know 1056 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 3: more about Odds Shark than I do. But they put 1057 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 3: out like best landing spots for Shohotani and the Cubs 1058 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,799 Speaker 3: were like third on that list. 1059 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't pay attention to them with the Odds Shark. No, 1060 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 4: I mean I sometimes I think they throw odds in 1061 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 4: a hat and then just like show you the hat 1062 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 4: and say yeah. I mean, like the numbers were really 1063 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 4: weird because you can't I don't even know if you 1064 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 4: can find those odds on books. I think they literally 1065 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 4: made them up. 1066 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 3: We're just probably maybe these are the odds, and that's 1067 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,839 Speaker 3: probably that's probably where I saw like presidential election odds 1068 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,879 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. No, you can bet on those, you can. 1069 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 5: Yes, cool twenty sixteen. 1070 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 3: You did yet host in twenty But I saw Otanian 1071 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,280 Speaker 3: Cubs in the same tweet and I got really excited 1072 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 3: because like, they're gonna have a lot of space. That 1073 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 3: would be sick, It would be awesome. I don't think 1074 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 3: it's gonna happen, but that would be really cool. And 1075 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,800 Speaker 3: I think that's one of the ones that not on 1076 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 3: the West Coast makes a lot of sense. So all right, 1077 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 3: Cincinnati sixty five and a half. They're projected win total. 1078 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 3: We love that front three in the rotation, Lodolo, Green, Ashcraft, 1079 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 3: We like Steer, We like Benson indeed getting healthy again, 1080 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 3: we like him. Sixty five and a half. 1081 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 4: Do you want me to go first? Because I'm pretty 1082 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 4: confident one side. 1083 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not confident, you go. 1084 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 4: I'm pretty confident. In the over, I think this team 1085 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 4: is going to approach seventy wins this year. When you 1086 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 4: have a front three of Hunter Green, Niclodola, and Graham 1087 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,359 Speaker 4: Ashcraft that's going to play against any team in Major 1088 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 4: League Baseball. 1089 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,760 Speaker 3: It really is. I like the bullpen. 1090 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 4: I mean when I say like, I like it in 1091 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 4: relation to a lot of the teams that are in 1092 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 4: this type of bucket, the sixty ish wins projected, you know, 1093 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 4: sixty to sixty nine. I like their bullpen better because 1094 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 4: I think Alexisdias is going to become one of the 1095 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 4: best closers in the National League. I really think very 1096 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 4: highly of him. I like India and Tyler Stevenson. If 1097 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 4: they play full seasons, I think they're both solid. I 1098 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,719 Speaker 4: like Spencer Steeer, I like some of the you know, 1099 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 4: corresponding pieces. I think this team is better than last year. 1100 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 4: I think last year there were sixty two and one 1101 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 4: hundred full seasons from those studs at the top. I 1102 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 4: like this team a lot. I think they'll win sixty 1103 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 4: eight or sixty nine games. Jack, you want to go, sure, 1104 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 4: I feel really good about the front three. But then 1105 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 4: I see Connor Roverton and Luis Sasa starting games as 1106 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 4: the four and five, and that is absolutely brutal. 1107 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 3: I have no idea what they're going to do. I 1108 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 3: don't know, maybe like seven through nine in the lineup, 1109 00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 3: is the bench gonna be good at all. I'm not 1110 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,399 Speaker 3: that sure. Sixty five and a half is a really 1111 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,240 Speaker 3: hard number because I think that this is a sixty 1112 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 3: five to sixty six win team, and I need to 1113 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 3: find wins elsewhere for some teams I think, you know 1114 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, I'm trying to make the math 1115 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,480 Speaker 3: work in my head where it's okay. I may think 1116 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 3: that the Reds are going to go over, but then 1117 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 3: I also may think that Pittsburgh is gonna go over. 1118 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 3: And I've got four teams in the Central going over 1119 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 3: their projected win total. Does that make any sense? 1120 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 4: Yes, But here's how I look at it in my mind, 1121 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,800 Speaker 4: just from like a betting perspective. 1122 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 5: I was thinking of the same thing, by the way, too, 1123 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 5: So I'm excited to hear this. 1124 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 4: If it's Hunter Green versus Adam Wainwright in a game 1125 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, do you think the Cardinals are huge favorites 1126 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 4: in that game. No, Let's say it's Hunter Green versus 1127 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 4: Marcus Stroman. Let's say it's Hunter Green versus Like. You 1128 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 4: might be leaning the Reds at least from the starting pitching, 1129 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 4: which is I think the most important facet to winning 1130 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,800 Speaker 4: ball games is like, do you have the better starting pitcher, 1131 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,480 Speaker 4: then you're more than likely to win that game. I 1132 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 4: think they win a lot of these games where against 1133 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 4: teams who have, you know, their third starter on the mount. 1134 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 4: And then you have Graham Ashcraft, like he's a guy 1135 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 4: who can win a lot of games. I just think 1136 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 4: looking at the standard of a sixty five and a 1137 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,320 Speaker 4: half win team, I just think it's too low. I 1138 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,080 Speaker 4: see this team winning a lot of games that you 1139 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 4: might not expect because Lodolo I expect him to be great. 1140 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 4: I expect Hunter Green to be great. I expect Graham 1141 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 4: Ashcraft to really improve. And then they have arms in 1142 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 4: the farm system who they can bring up to spell 1143 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 4: those Connor Overton starts in those Luis Cessa starts and 1144 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,960 Speaker 4: maybe move one of them to the bullpen, making it better. 1145 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,360 Speaker 4: And I like the offensive upside, and they play in 1146 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 4: a good stadium for offense. Like, I just think this 1147 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 4: is a better team than sixty five and a half. 1148 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 4: Can you tell me if that math makes any sense? Like, 1149 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 4: does it make any sense to have four teams go 1150 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,800 Speaker 4: over in the same division, not in the central I 1151 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,799 Speaker 4: mean I have the first three going under and then 1152 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 4: the Reds is my only over. 1153 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,440 Speaker 5: So far, But I think you're speaking in general, right, 1154 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 5: Like I'm speaking in general, like because that may yes, 1155 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 5: because of the team's not playing as much in the 1156 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 5: indivision anymore. 1157 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1158 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 5: So, but then I think to make it like scaled, 1159 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,400 Speaker 5: you'd have to have more unders than the other divisions, 1160 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,719 Speaker 5: right like or or just kind of like you go 1161 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 5: by your gut and even if it doesn't technically like 1162 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 5: even out with the fifteen overs and fifteen unders. Uh, 1163 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you're just kind of 1164 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:25,920 Speaker 5: going with your gun. 1165 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,879 Speaker 4: Even if it doesn't totally even like news flash, we're 1166 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 4: not going thirty for thirty. 1167 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, correct, Which is which is why you got to 1168 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 5: kind of just approach it holistically, because I was thinking 1169 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 5: of the same. 1170 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:41,319 Speaker 3: Thing Jack, Yeah, I guess I go slightly over then, 1171 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 3: like I think there is sixty six sixty seven win team, 1172 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,319 Speaker 3: So I'll say over there you go. This is hard 1173 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 3: to make. 1174 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 5: It's hard for me because I'm very nervous about India 1175 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 5: and Stevenson saying, hellofeen if those guys are banged up, 1176 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,439 Speaker 5: this lineup. 1177 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 3: Is really bad, brutal, really bad. 1178 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 5: I see, So what might put them over the top 1179 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 5: for me? I think what will ultimately is gonna push 1180 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 5: me towards the over is. I think Graham Ashcraft is 1181 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,800 Speaker 5: gonna all this year. I've watched a few of the 1182 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 5: spring training starts which he looks fantastic. He changed the 1183 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 5: breaking ball. It's harder, it's more of a sweeper, and 1184 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 5: it's just the rest of the arsenal's playing off of it. 1185 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 5: His command has been spectacular. I think he's gonna be 1186 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,640 Speaker 5: like a Legit Legit three over to Incessu's a disaster, 1187 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,400 Speaker 5: and I think Justin Dunn's gonna be hurt for the year, 1188 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 5: like for most of the year. Luca Weaver's got a 1189 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 5: forum thing. We'll see if he comes back. They got 1190 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 5: to piece it together there, but they've got guys like 1191 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 5: Christian and Karnassi on strand who could come up and 1192 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,800 Speaker 5: hit for them. We'll see what they get from Joey Vado, 1193 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,920 Speaker 5: who's gonna start the year on the IL. I think 1194 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 5: Will Myers helps a little bit, and then Freedo and 1195 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,920 Speaker 5: Fraley are fine. I love the Benson addition. They won 1196 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 5: sixty two last year. To Peter's point, they're a better team. 1197 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,440 Speaker 5: I think they find a way to get to get 1198 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,600 Speaker 5: over there. So I think I got the slide over here. 1199 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, if they won sixty two last year and Ashcraft, 1200 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 3: who he thought was good, had an ERA near five, 1201 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,560 Speaker 3: I feel good about him improving and him maybe being 1202 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 3: a five game swing on his own. 1203 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 5: And Wadolo started a little slow too, and then really 1204 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 5: really hit a stride. Yeah, so Green, same with Green. 1205 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Pittsburgh sixty seven and a half. I'm 1206 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 3: not gonna say that this is an easy over, but 1207 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 3: I'm convinced in the over here because I think if 1208 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 3: Vince Velasquez doesn't work, if Brubaker doesn't work, they have 1209 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 3: ample guys that they can go to in the minor 1210 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,240 Speaker 3: leagues on the mound. And I think that this lineup 1211 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,760 Speaker 3: is not I don't think this lineup is that terrible 1212 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:39,799 Speaker 3: fail fair. 1213 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this lineup may be arguably worse than 1214 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 4: the Reds, and I think that their rotation is definitely 1215 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,320 Speaker 4: worse than the Reds. I like Royancy Catrez, I like 1216 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 4: Louis Ortiz, but after that it gets really, really bare. 1217 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,360 Speaker 4: I'm not really a fan of this bullpen. I have 1218 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 4: them finished last in this division. I got the Reds 1219 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,759 Speaker 4: winning sixty eight and I got the Pirates winning sixty six, 1220 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,880 Speaker 4: So I'd go over under excuse me, at this current total, 1221 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,319 Speaker 4: because I look at both teams and I go back 1222 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,080 Speaker 4: to back and I say, who would win in a 1223 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 4: seven game series? And I think the Reds would And 1224 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,880 Speaker 4: I think that kind of carries over and they'll never 1225 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,560 Speaker 4: face each other in a seven game series, but if 1226 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,000 Speaker 4: it were to happen, I just like the Reds team better. 1227 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 4: And it starts with starting pitching, and I think they 1228 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 4: kind of blow him out of the water in there. 1229 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I look at a team here that could have 1230 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,280 Speaker 5: five guys in the projected opening day lineup with a 1231 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:38,360 Speaker 5: sub one hundred WRC plus Andrew McCutcheon, Carlos Santana, gim Anchoy, 1232 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 5: Jack Sowinski, Austin Hedges, all those guys, and actually don't 1233 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 5: hate Sewensky. I think I think I would honestly maybe 1234 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 5: pick him to have a better flord than all of 1235 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,080 Speaker 5: the aforementioned guys. I think Brian Hayes is gonna have 1236 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 5: a nice year. I think Brian Reynolds will kind of 1237 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 5: bounce back a little bit. 1238 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 3: It could be gone too. 1239 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 5: He could be gone, and then we'll see what you 1240 00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,960 Speaker 5: get from O'Neal Cruz, who's one of the most vault 1241 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,960 Speaker 5: little players in baseball. Jiwan Bay helps me feel a 1242 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 5: little bit better about, you know, like some of the 1243 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 5: questions because he is a great bench option. Rodolfo Castro 1244 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 5: looked really good last year. I think he's a good option. 1245 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,080 Speaker 5: But the rotation, it's it's a lot of young guys. 1246 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 5: And that's assuming they don't start Velasquez for twenty to 1247 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 5: twenty five starts. That that that Rich Hill, who they're 1248 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 5: going to let start the entire first half of the 1249 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 5: season so that they can trade him. They don't want 1250 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,520 Speaker 5: to trade both of those guys. Both of those guys 1251 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 5: are going to make fifteen starts, ten to fifteen starts. 1252 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 5: And then Mitch Keller, I can't hear about the tread 1253 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 5: videos anymore, man, I can't do it. 1254 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, with the tread videos are them? Yeah, they are sick. 1255 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 3: He's throwing one hundred and fifteen miles an hour, so cool. 1256 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 5: And then and then the bullpen like they ran David 1257 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 5: Bennar in the ground, and then everybody else stinks besides 1258 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 5: Gerry Dela Santos king, I'm gonna go under. I think 1259 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,560 Speaker 5: I know this seems a popular over bet. I think 1260 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 5: this could be the worst offense in baseball. If if 1261 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 5: things kind of don't go the way they they that 1262 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,440 Speaker 5: people hope with, keep Bryan and O'Neill. 1263 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,440 Speaker 4: Especially another one where I might have gone over at 1264 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 4: the original line at sixty four and a half, but 1265 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,200 Speaker 4: it's been steamed up all the way to sixty seven 1266 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 4: and a half. 1267 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,000 Speaker 3: It's just too many. It's too many. 1268 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,280 Speaker 4: I think I would definitely think sixty six. 1269 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 3: I definitely would have gone over sixty four and a half. 1270 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 3: I'm a tentative over at sixty seven and a half. Yeah, 1271 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 3: you think there were sixty eight win team, which. 1272 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 2: Is really fun. 1273 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,920 Speaker 5: Tyler Heineman and Austin Hedges brutal, Carlo Santana and G 1274 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 5: man Choi brutal. 1275 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, less brutal, that's brutal. It's not good. Santana walks, 1276 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,680 Speaker 3: he does walk. Gbad Choi when he faces Garrett Cole 1277 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 3: in that in that areas where it be exclusively faced 1278 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,200 Speaker 3: Garrett and man Choi has an awesome MLB zen commercial 1279 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 3: where he's like going into the splits and picking the 1280 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,840 Speaker 3: ball out of the dirt. It's hot. That's cool, Yeah, nice, 1281 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 3: all right, And I'm winning sixty eight games NL West 1282 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 3: the Dodgers. Ninety six and a half is their projected 1283 00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,520 Speaker 3: wind total feels a lot lower than recent Dodge years. 1284 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 3: They are dealing with guys that have left in free agency. 1285 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,200 Speaker 3: They are dealing with guys that are on the mend 1286 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,800 Speaker 3: right now. This is a tough one for me at 1287 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 3: ninety six and a half. And I know that. You 1288 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,040 Speaker 3: know a lot of people would say, oh, come on, 1289 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,760 Speaker 3: it's the Dodgers. You've got to go over like they're 1290 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,200 Speaker 3: on a hundred win team. Again, I said in December 1291 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 3: or January that I don't think this team is an 1292 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,120 Speaker 3: one hundred win team. So now I have to decide. 1293 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,760 Speaker 3: Are they a ninety eight win team? Are they a 1294 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 3: ninety six win team? Are they a ninety five win team? 1295 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,520 Speaker 3: Give me some more time. Who wants to go first? 1296 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:33,600 Speaker 3: I'll go first. 1297 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 4: I think they win ninety eight games. I would take 1298 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,800 Speaker 4: the over. I still think this team is very good 1299 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 4: because Max Munsey was not good in the first half. 1300 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 4: I mean he was recovering from that torn aca or 1301 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,760 Speaker 4: excuse me, torn ucl in his elbow, and he just 1302 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,840 Speaker 4: started off really slow, but then turned it on in 1303 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,560 Speaker 4: the second half. You still have Freddie fucking Freeman. You 1304 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 4: still have Mookie Betts, you still have Will Smith. You 1305 01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 4: look at the rotation, you're like, oh, there are some 1306 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,560 Speaker 4: question But at the same time, look what the Dodgers 1307 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 4: did to Tyler Anderson. Look at what they did to 1308 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,280 Speaker 4: Andrew Heaney. Can we imagine what they're gonna do to 1309 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,880 Speaker 4: know with Cindegard. You look at Julio Arias at the top, 1310 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 4: You look at Clayton Kershaw at the top, You look 1311 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,040 Speaker 4: at Dustin May, and you know, if any of those 1312 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 4: guys get injured, you know, there's still Tony Gonsol in there. 1313 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 4: There's Bobby Miller coming up, There's Gavin Stone coming up. 1314 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,360 Speaker 4: They have an exciting young rookie and Miguel Vargas, who's 1315 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 4: one of the favorites to win National League Rookie of 1316 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 4: the Year. They still have a good team, and they 1317 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 4: just win games in the regular season when you don't 1318 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,240 Speaker 4: expect them to. I mean, we have expected them to, 1319 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,120 Speaker 4: but now I feel like this is gonna be another 1320 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 4: one of those years where the vast majority of baseball 1321 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 4: fans are down on them because they don't see one 1322 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 4: hundred and eleven win team like they're used to. But 1323 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 4: I still think this team is close to one hundred wins. 1324 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,400 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go over. 1325 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:48,440 Speaker 3: Jack. 1326 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 5: You need more time, a little bit more time, you go, 1327 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 5: so I'll kind of walk you through my thought process here. 1328 01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 5: I think the lineup's still really solid. Then is a 1329 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 5: big X factor here because basically Chris Taylor could slot 1330 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,160 Speaker 5: in for any of these guys, Miguel Rojas, Miguel Vargas, 1331 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,760 Speaker 5: David Peralta, even Trace Thompson, Like, if any of those 1332 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 5: guys struggle, that's your insurance policy. But your insurance policy 1333 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,680 Speaker 5: just came off the worst year of his career. I 1334 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,760 Speaker 5: think he can bounce back, but that is that is concerning. 1335 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,520 Speaker 5: I do like James Outman. I think that helps. We'll 1336 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 5: see what they get from Hayward. But I don't know 1337 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,960 Speaker 5: how I feel about the rotation. Ryan Pepiot as a 1338 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,360 Speaker 5: starter is is iffy. I don't know if I'm totally 1339 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,080 Speaker 5: in on Noah Cinderguard, like just having this this magic, 1340 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,760 Speaker 5: you know, revelation as so many pitchers have with the Dodgers. 1341 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 5: I feel like most of those guys that have come 1342 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 5: over have had better stuff at this point than what 1343 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,520 Speaker 5: Cinderguard has. And then we'll see what they get from Kershaw. 1344 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 5: But you know, the guy just seems to be good 1345 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,240 Speaker 5: for one twenty innings or maybe even less. We'll see 1346 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,720 Speaker 5: how he does this year. I'm gonna go under. I 1347 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 5: know that a lot of people might be on that under. 1348 01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 5: I just especially with Rojas playing every day, it's shortstop. 1349 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,000 Speaker 5: I don't love Miguel Rojas at this stage of his career. 1350 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,320 Speaker 5: I mean, you can pick it a little bit, but 1351 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,880 Speaker 5: they're not gonna get a ton of production from that position. 1352 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 5: And this is already a spot where you look at 1353 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 5: corner outfield. Not as good offensively. I think Trey Thompson 1354 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,640 Speaker 5: Trace Thompson caught wetning in a bottle last year. I 1355 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,360 Speaker 5: don't think he's gonna be as good this year. We'll see, 1356 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,439 Speaker 5: but I'm gonna go under. 1357 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,920 Speaker 4: I just don't think you make money doubting the Daughters 1358 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:25,840 Speaker 4: in the regular season. 1359 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 3: And maybe this is a different year. 1360 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 4: And the only thing I would say to the maybe 1361 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,160 Speaker 4: some guys had better stuff than Noahs Cinderguard when they 1362 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,040 Speaker 4: came over, Like I don't think Tyler Anderson did, like 1363 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,800 Speaker 4: he was almost on his way out. It felt like 1364 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,920 Speaker 4: when he was with Pittsburgh. And I still think Noahs 1365 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,320 Speaker 4: Sinderguard has something in him. And I'm not saying a 1366 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 4: magical season like Tyler Anderson had what at two five seven, 1367 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,360 Speaker 4: I'm not predicting that, But I think I can look 1368 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,479 Speaker 4: at Noa's sinderguard and say I could figure three five 1369 01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 4: a three six era for him, and if he throws 1370 01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,840 Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty to one hundred and forty innings 1371 01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,120 Speaker 4: with the rest of that rotation and with that depth, 1372 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,960 Speaker 4: and with the second best bullpen and all of baseball 1373 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,280 Speaker 4: to come in after him to lock down games late, 1374 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,640 Speaker 4: I don't think they have to score as many runs 1375 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,440 Speaker 4: to still be competitive. I just don't see such a 1376 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,200 Speaker 4: massive drop off because they're gonna find guys like they 1377 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,080 Speaker 4: found a James outman, and they just find these guys 1378 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,000 Speaker 4: to slot in and they always just end up playing well. 1379 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,120 Speaker 4: It just almost feels like I understand, Yeah, they're not. 1380 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,080 Speaker 3: Gonna win the World Series. 1381 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,400 Speaker 4: If you've been on them to not win, I think 1382 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,080 Speaker 4: that's a good bet, maybe not even to make far 1383 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,440 Speaker 4: in the playoffs. But the Dodters are just a regular 1384 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,480 Speaker 4: season juggernaut. They do it year in and year out. 1385 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,000 Speaker 4: I just don't think you make money fading the Dodgers 1386 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 4: in the regular season in particular. 1387 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, they win ninety three games, you know you win, 1388 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,080 Speaker 5: And I think if if you know, if it was 1389 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 5: that easy, right, it'd be an ATM machine. Play bet 1390 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,360 Speaker 5: bet Dodgers over every year and its. 1391 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 4: Billionairess last year. Sorry, I think the last four or 1392 01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:56,960 Speaker 4: five years they've hit there. 1393 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,480 Speaker 5: Over sounds like Vegas needs to adjust. 1394 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 4: And it's funny they still put him at ninety six 1395 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:03,840 Speaker 4: and a half when last year they were ninety seven 1396 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,320 Speaker 4: and a half with. 1397 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,040 Speaker 3: A better roster. 1398 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just David Peerolt to Miguel Rojas, Trace Thompson. Yeah, 1399 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,560 Speaker 5: I feel like ninety two in ninety one, ninety two, 1400 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 5: which is a great season. 1401 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,120 Speaker 3: It is a great season, but it's not a Dodger 1402 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 3: great season. My worry is like pitching, right because obviously 1403 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,240 Speaker 3: with Buehler out, you got to figure it out elsewhere. 1404 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,160 Speaker 3: I feel good about Arius, I feel good about Dustin May, 1405 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:33,880 Speaker 3: but he's coming off of TJ. Is he going to 1406 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,240 Speaker 3: throw the entire year? Kershaw is so touch and go 1407 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,920 Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Is he going to throw 1408 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 3: the entire year? So I think I'm gonna side with 1409 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,560 Speaker 3: Peter based on his point on Miller and Stone. 1410 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,040 Speaker 6: And go over because I think also Gonsolin, Gonsoln Yeah, 1411 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,120 Speaker 6: but like I think the depth, I think six and 1412 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 6: seven could almost be better than four and five in 1413 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 6: Sindergarten Pepio. 1414 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,440 Speaker 3: I think that Miller and Stone could be better. So, 1415 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,720 Speaker 3: say somebody goes down, which like fortunately I am expecting 1416 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,960 Speaker 3: from this group of guys because they are so finicky, 1417 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,120 Speaker 3: I think that you can immediately plug in Gavin Stone 1418 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 3: and it's not like you're going to get a high twos, 1419 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 3: but you may get a sub four era, which is 1420 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,320 Speaker 3: really cool. Miller, I know, is dealing with a little something. Yeah, 1421 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,200 Speaker 3: So even if he's back and ready to go at 1422 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 3: the All Star break and they need him in August, 1423 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,080 Speaker 3: I feel decent about that. It's not like they're worried 1424 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,080 Speaker 3: about his clock anymore because he spent the entirety last 1425 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,120 Speaker 3: year in triple So I think I will go over 1426 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 3: because I trust their backup plans. 1427 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,120 Speaker 4: But some of their plan as worry me a little bit, 1428 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,560 Speaker 4: and that's understandable. I just here's the way I look 1429 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,160 Speaker 4: at it. Can I get five innings too earned from 1430 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,800 Speaker 4: most of these starters because they're not really going to 1431 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,400 Speaker 4: give up anything in the bullpen, and even their injuries 1432 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,080 Speaker 4: to the bullpen are as good as some other team's 1433 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,640 Speaker 4: entire bullpens who will come back this year and they're 1434 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 4: not going to score eight runs like they normally do, 1435 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,960 Speaker 4: but how about five, Like I think that's very likely. 1436 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,920 Speaker 4: I think they win a lot of low scoring games 1437 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,400 Speaker 4: with this bullpen, you know, coming in and shutting the door. 1438 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 4: And I think the world of this bullpen, and I 1439 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,960 Speaker 4: think that's enough in the regular season to you know, 1440 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 4: overtake some teams with not even close to the amount 1441 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,680 Speaker 4: of depth, like we're about to talk about the Padres. 1442 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,040 Speaker 4: They're almost a complete opposite right superstars out at the top, 1443 01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,920 Speaker 4: but the depth is really concerning with injuries to their bullpen. 1444 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 4: I just think the Dodgers win this division again. And 1445 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,160 Speaker 4: I think in a year where people are doubting, the 1446 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,440 Speaker 4: Dodgers almost puts a chip on their shoulder and they 1447 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,480 Speaker 4: come out and just dominate once again. I just think 1448 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,800 Speaker 4: when you're looking at a regular season, if you can 1449 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,840 Speaker 4: find a win total that's the safest, it's the Dodgers. 1450 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,520 Speaker 4: And I know they don't have the team that they 1451 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:40,760 Speaker 4: used to have, but the team they used to have 1452 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,840 Speaker 4: won one hundred and eleven games. They need ninety seven 1453 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,200 Speaker 4: and I think that's still within reach. 1454 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:47,240 Speaker 3: I'm sticking. 1455 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,840 Speaker 5: Remember they also so they swap Trey Turner for Miguel Rojas, 1456 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,640 Speaker 5: no doubt, no doubt. 1457 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,760 Speaker 3: Did the Padres clear ninety three and a half? Peter Ooh, 1458 01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 1459 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:00,880 Speaker 4: I think there are no y one to ninety two 1460 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,760 Speaker 4: win team. I think they're kind of similar to the Phillies, 1461 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,840 Speaker 4: where you do not want to face this team in 1462 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,640 Speaker 4: the playoffs when you have you Darvish, Blake Snell and 1463 01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,440 Speaker 4: Joe Musgrove. But we've already seen a couple of nagging 1464 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,080 Speaker 4: things happen to those three, and then you look at 1465 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,880 Speaker 4: the back half of the rotation. I'm just not a 1466 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,160 Speaker 4: big fan of Michael Waka. I'm glad they got him, 1467 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,040 Speaker 4: but at the same time, I don't have a lot 1468 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,720 Speaker 4: of faith in him over one hundred and sixty two 1469 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,880 Speaker 4: game schedule. I think Nick Martinez could be fine the rotation, 1470 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,479 Speaker 4: but you take him out and there's already injuries in 1471 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,200 Speaker 4: that Padres pen I don't really like there six through 1472 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,479 Speaker 4: nine in the lineup, but I do think that they're 1473 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 4: gonna play pretty solid defense. The top guys are gonna 1474 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,760 Speaker 4: mash I expect big years from one Soto. I think 1475 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,280 Speaker 4: wan Sota could win the MVP. I think they're gonna 1476 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,240 Speaker 4: be a very good team. I think they finish in second. 1477 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,080 Speaker 4: But at ninety three and a half, I have them 1478 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,280 Speaker 4: winning ninety two. So I'm gonna go under. 1479 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:51,720 Speaker 3: With the Padres Jeah, I think ninety wins, so I 1480 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,320 Speaker 3: go under as well. I think that, yes, the NL 1481 01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,439 Speaker 3: West has two ninety win teams, but I think that 1482 01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 3: we're looking at the Dodgers at ninety seven and the 1483 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,640 Speaker 3: Padres at ninety. I love the lineup obviously. If I 1484 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,559 Speaker 3: if I looked at you with a straight face and said, yeah, 1485 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sure about this lineup, I mean, you could 1486 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,960 Speaker 3: just tell me that I don't know ball because this 1487 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,840 Speaker 3: lineup is so stupidly awesome. Man, and anybody that looks 1488 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,040 Speaker 3: at that lineup card should know that they're going to 1489 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,320 Speaker 3: tune into a fucking show that night. The problem for 1490 01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,800 Speaker 3: me is once you get past Muskrove and darbish like 1491 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,200 Speaker 3: Snell and Musgrove is obviously going to start the year 1492 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,840 Speaker 3: on the il, it seems so Snell is so hit 1493 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,920 Speaker 3: or miss at points, like there are starts where he 1494 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,000 Speaker 3: goes out there and can't throw a strike and he's 1495 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 3: out in the middle of the second inning. 1496 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,360 Speaker 4: Him and you, darbish are so similar. It's like when 1497 01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,600 Speaker 4: they're on and uh Snell's landing his slider and his 1498 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,040 Speaker 4: curveball for strikes, it looks like the best lefty. 1499 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,439 Speaker 3: And base no hitter type shit, would you darbish? Is 1500 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,000 Speaker 3: the same thing? Like I was talking with arm in 1501 01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:49,240 Speaker 3: the car. 1502 01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,920 Speaker 4: We were ubering over to the Lone Depot Park and 1503 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,679 Speaker 4: we're just talking about the Padres rotation, which is hilarious 1504 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,640 Speaker 4: that are, but I just like, would we even ever 1505 01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,479 Speaker 4: off time where we could just sit it with some AirPods? 1506 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,559 Speaker 4: We're still talking about the poets rotation, You, darvish could 1507 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,040 Speaker 4: look like the best picture on planet Earth or the 1508 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,320 Speaker 4: literal worst picture on planet Earth. So could Blake Stell 1509 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,960 Speaker 4: and Joe Muscove is that glue, but he is starting 1510 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,880 Speaker 4: the season on the al There's just it's like they're 1511 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,320 Speaker 4: so star studded and that can get you buying in. 1512 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,439 Speaker 4: And then it's like, look at Team USA, they lost 1513 01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,400 Speaker 4: the Team Japan. It's baseball. Any team could win on 1514 01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,320 Speaker 4: any given day. And if Fernando Tatis Junior doesn't come 1515 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,479 Speaker 4: back and hits the ground running, you might have problems. 1516 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,880 Speaker 4: Let's say Machado has a slightly worse year, which is 1517 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,960 Speaker 4: entirely possible. Xander Bogart's the power is diminishing a little bit. 1518 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,080 Speaker 4: I still think he's gonna hit, but with no shift, 1519 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,839 Speaker 4: how is he gonna play at shortstop? There are some questions, 1520 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,920 Speaker 4: but they're gonna be one of the most entertaining teams 1521 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,200 Speaker 4: in baseball. I still think they're a ninety plus win team. 1522 01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,479 Speaker 4: But that's why I'm at I think. 1523 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,240 Speaker 3: They're a Formula one car, and Formula one cars go 1524 01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,280 Speaker 3: as fast as humanly possible, and they are as beautiful 1525 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,840 Speaker 3: to watch drive as humanly possible. But when they hit 1526 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,360 Speaker 3: a pebble, the car made breakdown, you know what I mean. Like, 1527 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,200 Speaker 3: I think that they are that type of team where 1528 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,439 Speaker 3: things the good is gonna look fucking hot. It's gonna 1529 01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:05,479 Speaker 3: look so good. 1530 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna go on stretches where they win like 1531 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,479 Speaker 4: ten to eleven in a row, and you're gonna think yourself, 1532 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,200 Speaker 4: Holy Moldy. 1533 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 3: This team is amazing. But then the bad may suck. 1534 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:15,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, they could lose ten in a row and you'll 1535 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,840 Speaker 4: be like, we thought the Padres were a good team. Like, 1536 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,799 Speaker 4: there's just so much variance, but it could be awesome 1537 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,639 Speaker 4: or dreadful or solid. I have no idea really tough 1538 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:25,320 Speaker 4: team to look at. 1539 01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,559 Speaker 3: I'd rather drive my Volkswagen Jetta than a sports car 1540 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,040 Speaker 3: for reliability purposes. Yeah, that's just. 1541 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:39,040 Speaker 5: Why I Robert Suarez his injury actually really matters here. 1542 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 5: We're talking about like relievers and like how much Edwin 1543 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,800 Speaker 5: Diaz mattered to the mad I think Robert Swirez's injury 1544 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:49,080 Speaker 5: is very important here to this Padres team. Man, this 1545 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,439 Speaker 5: is a very very tough one. What I don't like 1546 01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,760 Speaker 5: about the rotation, it's this team as zero prospects who 1547 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,680 Speaker 5: are gonna probably come up and be able to to 1548 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,920 Speaker 5: plug and play if needed. Like, there's not a lot 1549 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,920 Speaker 5: out of alternative options. 1550 01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:02,599 Speaker 3: Uh. 1551 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,880 Speaker 5: Cole Hamils, is he gonna come in and make an 1552 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,439 Speaker 5: impact to Yo Tehran? I just I just don't see 1553 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,160 Speaker 5: if somebody goes down. We have number one regression candidate 1554 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,479 Speaker 5: and Michael Waka. Uh you know, we talk about the 1555 01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,599 Speaker 5: the you know, risk of some of these other guys. 1556 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,840 Speaker 5: It's definitely true. What makes me want to go over 1557 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,040 Speaker 5: is that I think Tatis is gonna go nuclear this year. 1558 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:22,720 Speaker 3: I really do. 1559 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,519 Speaker 5: But with that same notion, like, I just don't think 1560 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,840 Speaker 5: it's enough with some of the pitching questions. I'm gonna 1561 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,920 Speaker 5: go slide under. But I think they win ninety games. 1562 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:38,599 Speaker 3: Yay, so we all have under huh San Francisco eighty 1563 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,760 Speaker 3: and a half. I fly under this. This roster's not good. 1564 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not gonna hit. They're not gonna hit at all. 1565 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,000 Speaker 4: Like you look at their roster at top to bottom, 1566 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,720 Speaker 4: and the most intimidating presence in their lineup it's Jock Peterson, right, 1567 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,560 Speaker 4: maybe Mitch Haniger, Michael Confordo who didn't even play last year. Like, 1568 01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:59,960 Speaker 4: who are the bats in the lineup that are gonna 1569 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,479 Speaker 4: drive in runs in a pitcher's park. 1570 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,320 Speaker 3: It's it's not good. 1571 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,559 Speaker 4: And it's not like the defense is that great either. 1572 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,720 Speaker 4: And they're a team that is one of the most 1573 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,400 Speaker 4: shift dependent teams. I look at the numbers they utilize 1574 01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,519 Speaker 4: the shift, I think second most in Major League Baseball. 1575 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,360 Speaker 4: And they are a team filled with older guys, and 1576 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,880 Speaker 4: I don't expect the defense to carry over the pitching. 1577 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,760 Speaker 4: I do like, which is why I do kind of 1578 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,800 Speaker 4: think this is a seventy nine to eighty win team. 1579 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 4: I go under two, but it's slight because I think 1580 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:31,800 Speaker 4: the pitching can win them some ball games, because I 1581 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,120 Speaker 4: do like the bullpen. Two, It's just they're the way 1582 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,280 Speaker 4: they win is three to two, and like that's not 1583 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,920 Speaker 4: going to happen that often. I personally think this might 1584 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,120 Speaker 4: be the most boring team in baseball. And that doesn't 1585 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,080 Speaker 4: mean bad, that just means like, I mean, what do 1586 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,280 Speaker 4: I have to go watch John Breby and the sixth 1587 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 4: inning for the twelft day in a row. Like, the 1588 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,800 Speaker 4: only reason I'm turning on this TV is to watch 1589 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,720 Speaker 4: Camillo Daval and Logan Web. 1590 01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:58,080 Speaker 3: That's it. 1591 01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,679 Speaker 4: Like I like stripling, I Manaia, I like Alex Cobbin 1592 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,920 Speaker 4: bounce back, and I like Alex Wood. They have a 1593 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,400 Speaker 4: good rotation, but there's no names that you're turning on 1594 01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:10,040 Speaker 4: the TV for. I got them winning eighty games. I'm 1595 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,400 Speaker 4: going under the eighty and a half. I'm not flying 1596 01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,120 Speaker 4: under though. I think they're middle of the pack and 1597 01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,240 Speaker 4: boring and that the Giants of the win games they shouldn't. 1598 01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,160 Speaker 3: But I'm going under. 1599 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:25,040 Speaker 5: I'll keep it short. I'm going under. I don't like 1600 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:29,120 Speaker 5: Joey Bart. I don't think he's an everyday catcher. I 1601 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,360 Speaker 5: think they're gonna realize David r isn't it you know? 1602 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,640 Speaker 5: And and eventually call up Casey Schmidt, which is when 1603 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,280 Speaker 5: I will watch. But for now, there's too many questions 1604 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,400 Speaker 5: in the lineup of this team. It's just two weak 1605 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,640 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go under. I think they went seventy eight games. 1606 01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,840 Speaker 3: Clean sweep on the under for the last two I 1607 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,760 Speaker 3: think this is probably gonna be a clean sweep of 1608 01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,680 Speaker 3: the over seventy five and a half wins for Arizona. 1609 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,439 Speaker 3: I'll keep my answer very short and sweet. This lineup's 1610 01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,400 Speaker 3: really fun. The pitching rotation is really fun. The bullpen 1611 01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,680 Speaker 3: may suck, but I don't care. I think they win 1612 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:01,320 Speaker 3: eighty games. 1613 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,719 Speaker 4: Fucking love this team put two units on over seventy 1614 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,760 Speaker 4: four and a half. This is next year's Orioles and 1615 01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,439 Speaker 4: arm I want to have a thought exercise with you 1616 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 4: because I know we're so pro diamonbacks and me and 1617 01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,080 Speaker 4: you can just geek all over this team because you 1618 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,599 Speaker 4: know we've been talking what about for three months? How 1619 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:17,960 Speaker 4: we want to be on the over as soon as 1620 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,519 Speaker 4: it gets released. Gabriel Moreno and Corbyn Carroll Vers, Gunner, 1621 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,080 Speaker 4: Henderson and Adlie Rutschman. 1622 01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,360 Speaker 5: Gunner, Henderson and Adlie Rushman. But it's close, right, It's 1623 01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,719 Speaker 5: it's pretty because Adlie is just too at. 1624 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,280 Speaker 4: Least too much, and they've also, you know, had more 1625 01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,160 Speaker 4: service time in Major League Baseball wall. But I think 1626 01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,000 Speaker 4: it's relatively close. The only reason that I bring it 1627 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,760 Speaker 4: up is best prospect comparing it to an eighty three 1628 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,760 Speaker 4: win Orioles team, and you look at seventy four to 1629 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,400 Speaker 4: seventy five and a half and you think they could 1630 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,200 Speaker 4: be an eighty win team. I think they finished third 1631 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,519 Speaker 4: in this division. I look at a rotation, and yes, 1632 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,560 Speaker 4: you don't want Madison Bumgarner's starting games, but I'm not 1633 01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,680 Speaker 4: sure how long that's going to last when you have 1634 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,479 Speaker 4: Zach Allen in the rotation, who's a potential sign winner. 1635 01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,200 Speaker 4: Meryl Kelly threw two hundred innings at three three seven. 1636 01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,200 Speaker 4: You got to respect the hell out of Meryl Kelly. 1637 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,519 Speaker 4: He even pitched relatively well against the Japan lineup, who 1638 01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,640 Speaker 4: has been crushing right hand and pitching. I thought, I 1639 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,439 Speaker 4: thought he did his job, and that's what he does. 1640 01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,840 Speaker 4: He just goes to work with his lunch box with 1641 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,479 Speaker 4: his peanut butter and jelly cruss on. Because that dude's 1642 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,479 Speaker 4: you know, a rough rough Rider. 1643 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,400 Speaker 3: Do you think natural peanut butter? Do you think like 1644 01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:24,599 Speaker 3: jiffy shit? Oh? 1645 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,599 Speaker 4: I think just the crunchy type that you get off 1646 01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,760 Speaker 4: the farm, Like it's straight up peanut butter. 1647 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:29,800 Speaker 3: And I love him for that. 1648 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,719 Speaker 4: But Ryan Nelson's gonna be in the rotation. Zach Davies 1649 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,400 Speaker 4: gets a lot of shit for being terrible because like 1650 01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,240 Speaker 4: his peripheral shape, say he should retire, But he's one 1651 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,439 Speaker 4: of those guys who just he gets off contact and 1652 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,400 Speaker 4: he's a career four to one, four ear a guy. 1653 01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,400 Speaker 4: The past few seasons have been dreadful, but I think 1654 01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,599 Speaker 4: he's around a four to three. But it won't matter 1655 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,639 Speaker 4: because Brandon Fott's gonna come up. Maybe Drey Jamison makes 1656 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,680 Speaker 4: that debut in the rotation, even though he's most likely 1657 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 4: going to be in the bullpen, which makes the bullpen better. 1658 01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,120 Speaker 4: You go around the diamond. I like Josh ROAs at third. 1659 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,720 Speaker 4: I like Ketel Martin second, I like Christian Walker, I 1660 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,160 Speaker 4: love Gabriel Moreno, I love the outfield like there's a 1661 01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,559 Speaker 4: lot of things to be excited about. I'm going way 1662 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,320 Speaker 4: over seventy four and a half, seventy five and a half, 1663 01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,560 Speaker 4: don't care. I take this team up to eighty and 1664 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,320 Speaker 4: a half. I think they're an eighty win team or them. 1665 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,759 Speaker 5: I think they win eighty to have Brandon Fott knocking 1666 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,320 Speaker 5: on the door. He's pretty much big, big ready. 1667 01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,400 Speaker 4: And I think, how much worse is Brandon fought than 1668 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:21,200 Speaker 4: Grayson Rodriguez. 1669 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,599 Speaker 3: Not that much. That's awesome. 1670 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,600 Speaker 5: Brandon Fott pitched on the Moon in the PCL and 1671 01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,840 Speaker 5: got outs man like he has in minor league in strikeouts, 1672 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,679 Speaker 5: great command, multiple pitches for strike like. He's prime candidate 1673 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,840 Speaker 5: to just make the transition pretty smoothly and be a 1674 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,080 Speaker 5: three to five guy. I think in the era department, 1675 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,639 Speaker 5: I love Evan Longoria as depth to here. This team 1676 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,240 Speaker 5: just top to bottom is just much much better. Even 1677 01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,040 Speaker 5: having a Kyle Lewis off the bench, like I like 1678 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:53,080 Speaker 5: this bench, Corbyn's gonna make an impact like big time. 1679 01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:54,680 Speaker 5: He might as well have just added an All star 1680 01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,800 Speaker 5: for a full season. I like this entire ball club, 1681 01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,360 Speaker 5: I really do. And I think they had some of 1682 01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,080 Speaker 5: the vall utility with guys where you know what you're 1683 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,760 Speaker 5: getting with the Lordus Gariel Junior with with a Josh 1684 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,120 Speaker 5: Rojas like I think those guys you know what you're 1685 01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,840 Speaker 5: gonna get there. The bullpen's not that bad. Like I 1686 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,280 Speaker 5: loved the Andrew Schaffin pick up, Miguel Cashro's fine Joe 1687 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,559 Speaker 5: Man supply was spectacular last year, and Dre Jamison slider 1688 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,360 Speaker 5: is plus like that pitch alone will allow him to 1689 01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,640 Speaker 5: shut down the seventh thing if they want him to 1690 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,519 Speaker 5: do that. But he can also plug in and spots start, 1691 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,800 Speaker 5: so he gives you some rotational depth. And then we'll 1692 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,840 Speaker 5: see when they get Mark Millanson back what he can do. 1693 01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,600 Speaker 5: This is the one of the easiest overs for me. 1694 01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:32,120 Speaker 6: Of the year. 1695 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, very easy under on Colorado, last one best one 1696 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,040 Speaker 3: under sixty five and al are you over? You over 1697 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,880 Speaker 3: in the backs? Yeah? I said that first. Sorry, listen, 1698 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,559 Speaker 3: I was too excited. I was too excited about the docks. 1699 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,280 Speaker 3: That's fair, all right, Colorado, I am going under sixty 1700 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:56,800 Speaker 3: five and a half. They may have five guys with 1701 01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,479 Speaker 3: an ERA over five in the starting rotation. They may 1702 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,040 Speaker 3: not have a five ERA here. While I do love 1703 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:07,679 Speaker 3: Chris Bryant and Jerrickson, Profar and Ryan McMahon, everything else, 1704 01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,960 Speaker 3: and and Tovar obviously, everything else just kind of stinks. 1705 01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,080 Speaker 3: This team may suck out loud, But damn am I 1706 01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,600 Speaker 3: gonna be a fan. I fucking hate this team and 1707 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,320 Speaker 3: they're probably gonna go over. I'm going over. 1708 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,320 Speaker 4: They are a team that no matter what they have 1709 01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,400 Speaker 4: on the roster, they win sixty six to sixty eight games. 1710 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:28,200 Speaker 1: Uh. 1711 01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,320 Speaker 3: They are a win total that open. 1712 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:31,680 Speaker 4: At sixty eight and a half and has moved down 1713 01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,680 Speaker 4: to sixty five and a half. It's too much of 1714 01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,000 Speaker 4: an adjustment. I have them winning sixty six games. I'm 1715 01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,800 Speaker 4: gonna hate it. I don't want to watch them at all. 1716 01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,800 Speaker 4: It's gonna be terrible pitching. I would never bet on 1717 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,040 Speaker 4: the over with this team. But we know we're gonna 1718 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,320 Speaker 4: look at the end of the season and be like, oh, 1719 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,040 Speaker 4: remember all the Rockies won sixty seven games, And it's 1720 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,120 Speaker 4: like how because they just like weirdly beat the Dodgers 1721 01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,800 Speaker 4: sometimes in coors, Like it just doesn't make any sense. 1722 01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,640 Speaker 4: They win games they shouldn't, Josey. 1723 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:00,840 Speaker 5: Where they ten over at home? 1724 01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're they're always like ten over at hell? 1725 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, like they'll they'll win sixty seven games. 1726 01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:11,080 Speaker 5: I actually feel good about this over, Like, okay, pretty 1727 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,200 Speaker 5: good about it. You have a full season of Chris Bryant, 1728 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,800 Speaker 5: presumably who I think is gonna mash out there. He 1729 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,360 Speaker 5: was mashing before he got hurt. You add Jerkson Profar 1730 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,720 Speaker 5: to the full there, like, that's a better player than 1731 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:28,439 Speaker 5: they have mostly Ezekiel Tovar for a full season. That's 1732 01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,439 Speaker 5: a better player than Brendan Rodgers. Mike Mustakas is gonna 1733 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,680 Speaker 5: go nuts? Not actually, but I don't hate Mike Mustakas 1734 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:41,679 Speaker 5: as a bench option. Here's the thing. The Rockies won't 1735 01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:42,840 Speaker 5: trade at the deadline. 1736 01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,280 Speaker 3: They don't do it. They're fucking weird. 1737 01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,160 Speaker 5: They're bizarre. It's what like, they don't do it. 1738 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,720 Speaker 4: They it doesn't make sense they'd be buyers at the 1739 01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:56,040 Speaker 4: dead they'll be buyers, like they'll do something bizarre. 1740 01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,240 Speaker 5: Is this team worse than last year? 1741 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:00,479 Speaker 3: No, it's better. 1742 01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,600 Speaker 5: It's better. They play the Dodgers last, they play the 1743 01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,680 Speaker 5: Padres last. Like, I really think they're gonna find a 1744 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,360 Speaker 5: way to win more ball games. They add Brad Hand 1745 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,680 Speaker 5: to the bullpen. They get connor Ce Bold, how about him? 1746 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,960 Speaker 5: That's a guy. Daniel Bard gets the Mega deal and 1747 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,439 Speaker 5: then kills Josel Tuve Like, I still like jokes aside. 1748 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,639 Speaker 5: I think they find the way. I think Tovar really 1749 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,280 Speaker 5: is going to be a big difference maker for them. 1750 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,519 Speaker 5: It shorts up both defensively, and I think he's gonna 1751 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,720 Speaker 5: pvide a little bit offensively and keep getting better. But 1752 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,160 Speaker 5: it's really about Chris Bryant and Profar for me that 1753 01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,120 Speaker 5: I think can kind of put them over the top. 1754 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,360 Speaker 5: Away from course too. They're gonna find a way to 1755 01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,240 Speaker 5: just fuck around and win sixty nine games or something 1756 01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:44,479 Speaker 5: like that. 1757 01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,639 Speaker 3: Okay, this was an absolute mammoth. This was part two 1758 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,479 Speaker 3: of the win totals, maybe the mammoth of all mammoth 1759 01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,880 Speaker 3: episodes tomorrow or individual Award prediction episode. And then after 1760 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,880 Speaker 3: that it's an Opening Day preview. Guys ready to roll. 1761 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,880 Speaker 4: In the meantime, go get yourself some Just Baseball merch. 1762 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,679 Speaker 4: It's the best way to support this podcast. Arms rock 1763 01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,360 Speaker 4: in the athletic tea. 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