WEBVTT - Should You Unfollow Trump Supporters? (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I'm host

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<v Speaker 1>Rams's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsy's job, I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>tuned into Civic Scipher.

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<v Speaker 1>Think that the Truth, and we need you to stick

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<v Speaker 1>around because we are going to have a conversation that

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<v Speaker 1>people who have been having at dinner tables and online

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<v Speaker 1>and in family groups and friend groups across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Should you unfollow somebody with a different political opinion as

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<v Speaker 1>you specifically in our case, should you unfollow Trump's supporters.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that's come up quite a bit, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a couple of ways that you know

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<v Speaker 1>you can go about dealing with it, and we intend

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<v Speaker 1>to explore those fully with you to help you determine,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, what is right for you. But that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing. We are also going to spend some

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about the police shooting death of Brandon Durham.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have seen this online. There's a video that's

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<v Speaker 1>circulating of police breaking into a house of a man

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<v Speaker 1>that called them for help, and the man said that

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<v Speaker 1>there was an intruder in the house. The police show up,

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<v Speaker 1>They shoot the man who called him six times, even

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<v Speaker 1>though he was shirtless, and you know, clearly in his

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<v Speaker 1>as comfortable as state as he could be in while

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<v Speaker 1>he was standing next to the intruder himself. He lost

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<v Speaker 1>his life that night, and the intruder was taken into custody.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we're going to break that down and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other things. Today is going to be an

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<v Speaker 1>emotional episode, I can imagine. So buckle up with us,

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<v Speaker 1>but know that we're going to do our best to

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<v Speaker 1>get through these things and to process this collectively as

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<v Speaker 1>we do week to week on the show. So I

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<v Speaker 1>believe you're in good hands. But before we move on,

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<v Speaker 1>let's knock out some Ebony excellence.

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<v Speaker 1>Story so truly inspiring. Shout out to Aolia Shakumbi. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>you have had an interesting go as of late q

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<v Speaker 1>very with respect to the content that you take in online.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know that you have some stories where there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who have really gone off the deep end politically.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more than an opinion, it becomes their identity. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what you've told me before. And there is

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<v Speaker 1>a place that is too far for you to go

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<v Speaker 1>with folks. And then, you know, I believe you to

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<v Speaker 1>be a fair man. There are people that you know

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<v Speaker 1>and love and have known and loved for decades, decades,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also disagree with you politically. Maybe they have

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<v Speaker 1>not made their political decision their entire identity, but they

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<v Speaker 1>share their political opinion online and you have to wrestle

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<v Speaker 1>with whether or not you want to continue to consume

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<v Speaker 1>their online content. And I want you to give us

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<v Speaker 1>an example of maybe one or both and talk us

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<v Speaker 1>through how you make those decisions. And I'll do my

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<v Speaker 1>best to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think it would be easier if some

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<v Speaker 2>of these people just share their political opinions online. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the direct messaging me to share their political opinions that

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<v Speaker 2>bugs me my whole life. I've known people who disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with me or as a child, my mother politically right

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<v Speaker 2>before I was you know, civically engage and participating in

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the electoral system. My mother had close friends

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<v Speaker 2>that she worked with that were Republicans, and on election

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<v Speaker 2>day they would vote for the other candidate, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the day after they would go to lunch like every

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<v Speaker 2>other day, and they would you know, laugh and joke

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<v Speaker 2>and share stories and continue to be friends. Because back then,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't take on your candidate as your personal identity.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't worship follow after and have a zealot like

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<v Speaker 2>quote personal investment in the daily life or success of

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<v Speaker 2>your political candidate. You may have shared some ideas on taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. You might have shared some

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<v Speaker 2>ideas on you know, certain parts of that person's political platform,

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<v Speaker 2>but you didn't take on that person personally. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I see people all the time making the quote

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<v Speaker 2>that they kind of all share. Only people on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of this say it, you know that we

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<v Speaker 2>can disagree on politics and still be friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Only Trump supporters say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard anyone say that before Donald Trump was

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<v Speaker 2>a candidate, right because I never got into a negative

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<v Speaker 2>personal space with somebody because they voted for George Bush

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<v Speaker 2>the first or the second time, you know, or Ross

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<v Speaker 2>Perot or Ronald Reagan. So in my lifetime, those were

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<v Speaker 2>the candidates that stand out from the Republican Party. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>people like John McCain, who you know, I've learned was

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<v Speaker 2>a decent human being. He just was a Republican and

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't a person who wished harm on me, on

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<v Speaker 2>people that look like me. He just had different political

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<v Speaker 2>leanings than I do. So the instances that I've had

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump's first presidency and now in this one's people

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<v Speaker 2>that I know, people that I consider to be friends,

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<v Speaker 2>people that I care about, reaching out to me personally

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<v Speaker 2>to defend him, and I always start my rebuttal asking

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<v Speaker 2>them how they're doing, because in most cases these are

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<v Speaker 2>friends I haven't talked to in a little bit, So like,

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't talked to me, you know, in one case,

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't talked to me since I became a father.

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<v Speaker 2>My kids are doing great. Thanks for asking, Like reaching

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<v Speaker 2>out to me in defense of this man you don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't know you, and you're defending him against me

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<v Speaker 2>who you know, and care about.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't make it.

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<v Speaker 2>It never made any sense, you know, So I would

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<v Speaker 2>always bring the conversation back to the personal relationship. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing good. I hope you're doing good. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>your lady's doing good. I hope you guys as kids

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<v Speaker 2>are doing well. They're beautiful, you know, I see the

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of them. How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And then after some normal conversation, Hey, don't message me

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<v Speaker 2>about dude anymore. I don't rock with him, and it

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<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with his politics. I could care

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<v Speaker 2>less about his policy. I don't rock with him as

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<v Speaker 2>a human being. And I don't understand you, who I

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<v Speaker 2>know and care about, reaching out to me to defend

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<v Speaker 2>this man you don't know and don't care about, who

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know you and doesn't care about you. So don't

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<v Speaker 2>make that the center of a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>You have with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I'm not telling you how to vote. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>guide you in a different direction. You're a grown man

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<v Speaker 2>or you're a grown woman, But don't ever reach out

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<v Speaker 2>to me to have a conversation to defend that man

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<v Speaker 2>who you don't know, unless you've decided you no longer

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<v Speaker 2>care about me.

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<v Speaker 3>Which I don't think is the case.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's fine if he's the person that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take you down that path, God bless you both.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's I remember the first time Donald Trump ran for president,

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<v Speaker 1>and we actually did an episode similar to this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, I had her friend named Joel I went

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<v Speaker 1>to high school with, and Joel was We used to

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<v Speaker 1>skateboard together, you know, we used to do whatever, you

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<v Speaker 1>know fifteen sixteen year olds, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And he thought I was the coolest Jobel was a

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<v Speaker 1>he was Jewish, you know, he looked like your average

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<v Speaker 1>American white guy, right, but that was my guy, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. And he thought I was the

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<v Speaker 1>coolest guy in the world. Right. He liked the music

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to. He did everything about me. He tried to.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he would never admit this, but he tried

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<v Speaker 1>to like be like me, right, And we had this

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<v Speaker 1>solid foundation as friends. I know his parents, I know

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the environment he comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Fast forward to you know, twenty sixteen, and he mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>something to me and we were having a private conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about he mentioned something to me about Donald Trump, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait a minute. By then, he had

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<v Speaker 1>moved out of state, but we had connected online, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait a minute, did you vote for that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, yeah, you know, I just I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's like kind of better choice or you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, blocked him. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>it heavy back then, right, And I think that back

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<v Speaker 1>then I blocked him and a lot of other people

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<v Speaker 1>simply because I felt like they were being obtuse at

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<v Speaker 1>my expense, right, or they were being willfully ignorant, or

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<v Speaker 1>they were ignoring the fact that just because this benefits you,

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<v Speaker 1>you're ignoring the fact that it's going to harm me

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<v Speaker 1>or reshape my reality into a much scarier place. Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the alternative, the inverse of this, if Hillary

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton wins, your life is no scarier than it is now. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So for you, the bottom doesn't fall out of this

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<v Speaker 1>election cycle, no matter what. For me, things change, The

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<v Speaker 1>feeling in the air changes drastically, and it did. For

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<v Speaker 1>four years we lived under that man's administration, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people that rocked with him, that felt like he was

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<v Speaker 1>protecting you know, white interests, they you know, they were

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<v Speaker 1>they they turned their dials up a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 1>they turned their dials up a lot more. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>that's not parse words. Yeah, yeah, So you know I

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<v Speaker 1>blocked him in the middle of that because I felt

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<v Speaker 1>really hurt by that. I felt like, yo, man, how

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<v Speaker 1>how how was it? Like you said, how is it

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<v Speaker 1>that you can know me and then admit that to me?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what a hurtful thing for you to do? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly you're not my friend, Okay, you you you clearly

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<v Speaker 1>are a much more selfish person than I had anticipated.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a more I don't know, I could give you

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of adjectives, but that was my choice. Fast

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<v Speaker 1>forward a couple of years after that, he and I

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps reconnected through his sister or something like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>he like, he was really hurt that I blocked him, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he let me know, He's like, yo, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought we were friends. You know, you're one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best friends I ever knew. You know, how could this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, me voting for this guy? How could that

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<v Speaker 1>affect our actual friendship? You know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're somebody I love seeing you become who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>become this big radio personality, you know, be on TV

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<v Speaker 1>and billboards and whatever. He was hurt because I blocked him,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know I told him why. I gave him everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But that stayed with me. And then you're right. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this go around. There are people who have said out loud, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you know the election's over, we need to come

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<v Speaker 1>together as a country. And you know I've said on

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<v Speaker 1>this show what we need to do us we here,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to batten down the hatches. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental change in our future prospects and the opportunities that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to create a more equitable society that come

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<v Speaker 1>with a second Trump presidency. By fundamental change, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>effectively impossible for us to see any meaningful change in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of pursuit pursuing an equitable go at the American

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<v Speaker 1>dream for us in our lifetimes, not with the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court in the figure four leg lock like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>all of the police reform that we want, all of

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<v Speaker 1>the reparations or reparations adjacent policies that we want, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the protections that we want, all the funding that

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<v Speaker 1>we want to go into, you know, offsetting unfavorable health

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<v Speaker 1>care outcomes for black and brown people, to shore up

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<v Speaker 1>you know, housing disparities, to you know, any number of things,

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<v Speaker 1>pick your poison, all gone. And as hurt and as

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<v Speaker 1>disgusted as I was the first go round, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>numb now. It hurts so much more because there was

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<v Speaker 1>so much more at stake. And what I've seen now

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<v Speaker 1>is people gloating, people who are as you mentioned, they're

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<v Speaker 1>almost like zelots. They're still wearing their Maga Trump stuff

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<v Speaker 1>after the fact, they're showing it off. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>have their flags. This is a very different phenomenon than

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<v Speaker 1>when Obama was elected because we were excited, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously black people for a very specific reason, but we

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<v Speaker 1>were excited. But I've never in my life had an

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<v Speaker 1>Obama T shirt, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Obama flag or bumper sticker or hat or I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a twenty foot Obama and superimposed on the

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<v Speaker 2>body of the Incredible Hulk or just in this really

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<v Speaker 2>really strange behavior that Trump's supporters, you know, do, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to point out you said the second go around.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the third go round.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is the third time that some people have

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<v Speaker 2>supported that man.

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<v Speaker 3>And again I watch people downplay the stakes.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched people that I know, I heard people that

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<v Speaker 2>I've known and I'm talking about known twenty thirty years.

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<v Speaker 2>I've held their children, they've held mine. I've been in

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<v Speaker 2>their homes and their parents' homes, and I've heard them

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<v Speaker 2>kind of say leading up to the election, you know, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the the Democrats have some good social stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but Trump has the good financial stuff. And I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so you've convinced yourself of that, because you'll convince yourself

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<v Speaker 2>of anything to not feel awful for supporting that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have some awesome financial plan, especially not for

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<v Speaker 2>you or anyone that you know. I saw people say, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>Washington doesn't affect our daily lives.

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<v Speaker 3>It actually does. I think I made it pretty good president.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't just vote local and don't worry about it,

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<v Speaker 2>right in Kanye, And I'm like, right, ink, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you people talking about? Why isn't everyone paying attention? Why

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<v Speaker 2>do I feel like I'm crazy? Why do I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm losing it? Because I'm taking this so serious

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm so uncomfortable, And dare I say afraid that

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<v Speaker 2>I know every part of my life will change and

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<v Speaker 2>for the people closest to me, how are we even

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<v Speaker 2>having a conversation about what we're gonna do here. You

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<v Speaker 2>know my kids, you know their mom. So how is

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<v Speaker 2>the guy chanting build that wall? How is the guy

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<v Speaker 2>promoting mass deportation? How is the guy demonizing immigrants? The

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<v Speaker 2>guy your support when you know my kids and you

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<v Speaker 2>know their mom. Even if it's just me, you're a

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<v Speaker 2>single issue voter, right, You know me personally. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what him becoming the president does to my reality. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's still a decision that you're willing to make, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm supposed to still be your friend.

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<v Speaker 1>YEA.

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<v Speaker 2>For those that don't know, my children are half Mexican,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't disclose more than that, but that should be

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<v Speaker 2>enough to understand why that guy is disgusting to me

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<v Speaker 2>and why I'm personally offended by people who support him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about politics. Look up the man's history as

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<v Speaker 2>a person, the decisions that he plans to make and

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<v Speaker 2>will make. Because there are no guard rails anymore, there

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<v Speaker 2>are no checks and balances anymore. Collectively, the world has

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<v Speaker 2>watched white supremacists, oligarchs, and billionaires.

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<v Speaker 3>Collude across national beef.

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<v Speaker 2>Countries that have never gotten along before their governments using

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet and cyber weaponry to help this man become

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<v Speaker 2>the president, because, in case anybody's not paying attention, global

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<v Speaker 2>white supremacy is uniting forces.

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<v Speaker 3>And people who.

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<v Speaker 2>Are not white and that will not benefit from it,

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<v Speaker 2>helped it happen, convincing themselves it was somehow in their

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<v Speaker 2>best interests and it wasn't no big deal that he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to win.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything about our lives will change.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have to figure out some way to survive it,

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<v Speaker 2>figure out some way to prepare our kids to live

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<v Speaker 2>through it, and somehow pray that maybe their kids will

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<v Speaker 2>have a different version of this. People thought this younger

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<v Speaker 2>generation that our adults now would bring along all this progress,

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<v Speaker 2>racism would die off with the old bigots. It didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They passed those traditions down to their children. Like religion,

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<v Speaker 2>now it exists online and we have to see it,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it exists in mass and they're emboldened to

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<v Speaker 2>be forward and aggressive with it. So women and black

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<v Speaker 2>people and immigrants are getting ran up on in public

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<v Speaker 2>by people with swastikas and maga hats on. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>how that doesn't affect me every day? Tell me how

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<v Speaker 2>my life is supposed to continue, Like everything's okay and

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<v Speaker 2>how I'm not supposed to be terrorized or terrified rather

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<v Speaker 2>at home wondering if my kids are okay at school.

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<v Speaker 2>My son was getting kicked and called the N word

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<v Speaker 2>before Trump won again. So you tell me how I'm

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to feel now everything's not okay. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>very big deal and things will be very different moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a tough.

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<v Speaker 1>One, you know. I think that, just like everything, this

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<v Speaker 1>is probably something that you want to tackle on a

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<v Speaker 1>case by case basis. You know, if you come across

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<v Speaker 1>someone online and they are leaning into this, they've kind

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<v Speaker 1>of adopted this political identity and made it their own,

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<v Speaker 1>made it a part of their character, how they present

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<v Speaker 1>themselves to the world, and that's too much for you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like mentally, it's too taxing for you. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay to unfollow, block, remove yourself. Lord knows I do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't pretend that I don't. I do it constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Me being me, I always try to remember that there

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<v Speaker 1>are some people who are maybe they're not Trump zelots,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are Republicans who have supported us and this

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<v Speaker 1>show along the way, And I have to remember that

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<v Speaker 1>there are decent folks who have tremendous blind spots, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is me giving a lot of grace.

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<v Speaker 3>Forgive me for not extending that grace. You know who

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<v Speaker 3>he is.

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<v Speaker 2>You still support them, so forgive me if I don't

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<v Speaker 2>give you any grace or feel like you're still decent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well again, I recognize that that's giving a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>grace to those folks. But that's the only way that

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<v Speaker 1>I can say that. You know, for folks where you

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<v Speaker 1>maybe have a tougher time on following them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there might be something to you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>come together as a country and move forward and sharing

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<v Speaker 1>your stories with them and sharing your plight and who knows, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar,

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<v Speaker 1>as the saying goes, And as long as you protect yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>block the people you need to block, and try to

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to the people that you don't need to block,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe there's a path forward in there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>So good luck,