WEBVTT - Chuck’s Commentary - Nobody “Wins” A Shutdown + Israel’s Popularity With American Public + Top 5 Governor’s Seats Most Likely To Flip

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<v Speaker 1>Hello there, Welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Full disclosure because you're seeing that, Hey, you're not in

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<v Speaker 1>your normal studio. No, I am not. I'm on the

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<v Speaker 1>lovely campus of the University of Southern California, or as

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<v Speaker 1>my friends in Columbia, South Carolina would say, the USC

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<v Speaker 1>of the West. I am out here. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>participate in a meeting of the Big Ten government relations staff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, if you forgot the USC is in the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Ten, and so we got the host SUSPENI. It

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<v Speaker 1>was actually quite interesting, quite fun, and I got to

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<v Speaker 1>give a shout out to the Big Ten more so

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<v Speaker 1>than the other conferences. Though I'm not saying the other

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<v Speaker 1>conferences aren't trying to create non athletic sort of collaborative

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<v Speaker 1>efforts here, but the Big Ten does seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>more aggressive and better at having non athletic collaboration between

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<v Speaker 1>the schools and it only you know, it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to create these super conferences, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>figure out ways to take advantage. I mean, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>the ACC. Hey, guys, you got some incredible elite universities

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<v Speaker 1>from Duke to Miami to Georgia Tech to Stanford to

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<v Speaker 1>cal to SMU and ton in between. These are this

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<v Speaker 1>is an opportunity. Bcs are another rising school. Syracuse is great.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, take a page from how the Big ten

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<v Speaker 1>is operating. SEC could could benefit in the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>My understanding the Big twelve is trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to how to create some sort of some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of collaboration. So, as many of you know, I teach

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<v Speaker 1>adjunct and the scholar in residence at the USC DC campus.

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<v Speaker 1>So it does afford me the opportunity to come out

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<v Speaker 1>to La once or twice a year for some of

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<v Speaker 1>my USC duties. And so that's where we're coming from today.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, most Wednesdays, I want to lean more

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<v Speaker 1>into my campaign roots, my political junkie roots. So I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have a later in this broadcast the top five list

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<v Speaker 1>on the top five most likely governor seats to flip

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm going to. It's both twenty five and twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>It will include the two races talking about now, and

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<v Speaker 1>I yes, I will have a lot more to say

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<v Speaker 1>about Virginia like I did on Monday there. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's definitely a lot more to say there. But I thought, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I want a few words on what we're dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>right now. The shutdown is still here. I told you

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of this shutdown debate that perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>entity that had the most power to end this shutdown

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<v Speaker 1>might be the air traffic controllers and TSA agents and will.

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<v Speaker 1>Already we're seeing the impact of an increasing number of

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<v Speaker 1>air traffic controllers whose next paycheck is in jeopardy on

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<v Speaker 1>October fourteenth. Sickouts are already slightly up a bit at

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<v Speaker 1>a faster pace. I was out here in California, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a big breaking news alert on all the TVs

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in the wonderful Annenberg Journalism School newsroom.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a terrific sort of hub newsroom looks looks

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<v Speaker 1>like any major TV network that you would walk into.

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<v Speaker 1>And the big breaking news on the local California news

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<v Speaker 1>stations was the Burbank Airport was suddenly going to have

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<v Speaker 1>major flight delays due to air traffic control issues. There's

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<v Speaker 1>if you go on social media now you know that

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<v Speaker 1>Nashville is experiencing this. We've seen Newark, which seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have constant issues with that as well. So while I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to sit here and tell you the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was sort of I'm going to stick

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<v Speaker 1>to my initial prediction that we wouldn't that this shutdown

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<v Speaker 1>would likely end by this weekend. But let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I have a winning ticket on that

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<v Speaker 1>bet right now, because I do think both sides have

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<v Speaker 1>convinced themselves thanks mostly to their you know, the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we have a siloed information ecosystem that they're making

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<v Speaker 1>that somehow they're winning and somehow this is working for

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<v Speaker 1>them and they're not losing anything on this so until

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<v Speaker 1>there's real pain, and I do think the air traffic

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<v Speaker 1>controller issue is something that likely will penetrate both information ecosystems,

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<v Speaker 1>the left wing one and the right wing one, because

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<v Speaker 1>everybody travels. And this gets back to my initial rant

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<v Speaker 1>on how this is a ridiculous feature of the US system.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no constitutional amendment that says appropriations no longer

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<v Speaker 1>can be used to pay people if Congress can't meet

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<v Speaker 1>a deadline. This is no way to run a company,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone a country. Okay, the fact that we are

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<v Speaker 1>putting the lives of thousands in danger travel around air

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<v Speaker 1>let alone being just simply disruptive to their lives, screwing

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<v Speaker 1>up people's job interviews, screwing up people's emergency visits to

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<v Speaker 1>sick relatives, maybe they miss a funeral, all because of

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<v Speaker 1>this political theater. This stuff's important, what they're debating. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to deny that. But the idea that we

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<v Speaker 1>simply shut down the government to have these debates is

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<v Speaker 1>just ridiculous. It shouldn't. This is not about who triggered

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<v Speaker 1>the shutdown. The shutdown shouldn't be allowed to happen, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is something that only Congress can easily stop this.

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<v Speaker 1>They have chosen, both parties have chosen not to allow

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<v Speaker 1>this to happen. And once again, by the way, the

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<v Speaker 1>power to open up the government is actually solely in

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<v Speaker 1>the hands of Republican senators. They waive the filibuster. Government

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<v Speaker 1>opens the second they finished voting. So do keep that

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<v Speaker 1>in mind. Now. I think it's arguably potentially a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing when it comes to I think to fill buster

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<v Speaker 1>not as it's used today, but the idea of one

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<v Speaker 1>is still something that that should be a feature of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Senate. There's a better way to use it,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. But again, Republicans could open the government tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>All they got to do is get rid of the philibuster.

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<v Speaker 1>They have the votes on their own to do it. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats also have the power with their with just

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<v Speaker 1>handing over five vote five more Senate votes to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, I'm sorry. When you're disrupting people's lives,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not winning anything. I do think Democrats have certainly

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<v Speaker 1>gotten the attention of Republicans on the issue of healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>But Republicans knew already that they were vulnerable on healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know it's possible. Here's the iordy to this.

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<v Speaker 1>If if, if this shut down a complic gives the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats the ability, gives the Republicans the ability to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they fixed healthcare in this compromise. The irony is that

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats may have taken away one of their best

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<v Speaker 1>issues to use in the midterms. But I digress. But

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<v Speaker 1>before I get to a campaign update, I do think

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<v Speaker 1>I've been talked about the potential final end. I'm taping

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<v Speaker 1>on October seventh, so it seemed to be a good

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<v Speaker 1>time to check in on There's a lot of polling

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<v Speaker 1>that's been out there on Israel, not just in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, but it's some polling in Israel, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>the polling in Israel, and I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people haven't seen or heard about, so I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>would get there discuss a little bit of the polling

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<v Speaker 1>on how Israel has lost it's standing in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and it's really starting Jewey roade across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly Israel still has more support on the right

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<v Speaker 1>than the left in this country, but it is eroding

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<v Speaker 1>generally more. It's really bb Well unpopularity is growing. He's

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<v Speaker 1>never been a popular guy here, but his unpopularity is growing.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's striking is how unpopular he is in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Israel. And I will get to that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's you know, what have we learned

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<v Speaker 1>about Israel over the last two years. What's been the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of fallout from all of this? And I think

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<v Speaker 1>what's interesting is on the US relationship with Israel. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to associate myself with some comments that Ian bremer

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<v Speaker 1>Maide in his newsletter because I thought it was really smart.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's an interesting conundrum that Israel's in right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel under BB's leadership has never looked as powerful or

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<v Speaker 1>as alone. So many Western governments have embraced the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of Palestinian statehood, and there's in some ways, Israel has

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<v Speaker 1>one friend, the United States. That's it. It makes the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with the United States that much more important to

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<v Speaker 1>any current or future prime minister of Israel. And it

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<v Speaker 1>gives the United States more leverage and arguably more global

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility for managing, if you will, or influencing or however

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<v Speaker 1>you want to put it, or the belief that they

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<v Speaker 1>have influence over Israel. But the is the Israeli government

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<v Speaker 1>has never been more tied and more in need of

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<v Speaker 1>US support and more lena. They have no other allies

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<v Speaker 1>like the United States nowhere even close. Not saying they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have other friends out there, but it's only due

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States that they have some Sunni Arab

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<v Speaker 1>states that are friends. But it's sort of like their

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<v Speaker 1>friends because of the United States. Whether they'd be friends

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<v Speaker 1>with Israel on their own as a whole other story.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought that was an interesting piece of analysis

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<v Speaker 1>by In. You know, I like to frequently bring onto

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast as my international expert, one of the just

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<v Speaker 1>smarter global political scientists that are out there. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>true because as a military power, Israel now is the

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<v Speaker 1>power of the there's no there's no there's no, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no close second. It's Israel and everybody else. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have power. They're feared in the Middle East, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>it's out of fear, there's not there's less respect around

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<v Speaker 1>the world because of BB's leadership too. Anyway, let me

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<v Speaker 1>get into some of the polling, because I think some

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<v Speaker 1>of this is interesting and worth taking a look at.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, there's still giant this is first. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about America's views of Israel in general, big part of

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<v Speaker 1>some split seventy percent. This is a Pew poll by

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<v Speaker 1>the way that I'm citing Q came out last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's this all this polling on on this side.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just the Americans. The pole of Israeli citizens

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<v Speaker 1>is by the Israeli Democracy Institute. Was conducted by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>in Arabic and in Hebrew, because they also mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Israeli Arabs in the is Israeli population

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<v Speaker 1>as well. It was a large minority in the State

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<v Speaker 1>of Israel. But let me start with the US public opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>So first, the sort of predictable the Partisans split seventy

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Democrats or Democratic leaning independents view the Palestinian

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<v Speaker 1>people favorably. Just thirty seven percent of Republicans or Republican

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<v Speaker 1>leaners all those same views. The Israeli government is viewed

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<v Speaker 1>positively by fifty five percent of Republicans. Only eighteen percent

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<v Speaker 1>of Democrats view the Israeli government positively. On the Israeli people,

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats are evenly divided forty eight to forty eight favorable

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<v Speaker 1>unfavorable on the Israeli people. Republicans a much higher favorable

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<v Speaker 1>view of the Israeli people sixty seven percent. Eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Republicans and fifty six percent of Democrats view

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<v Speaker 1>the Palestinian authority unfavorably. So while there are fewer Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>that view An unfavorable, majorities of both parties view the

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian authority unfavorably, and eight and ten Republicans and eight

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<v Speaker 1>and ten Democrats view AMAS unfavorably. But what's also interesting

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<v Speaker 1>is there is growing skepticism of Israel's operation in Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>over time. Thirty nine percent now say Israel has gone

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<v Speaker 1>too far in its military operation against Hamas. That's up

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<v Speaker 1>from thirty one percent at this same time in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, and it was twenty seven percent in late

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, just after Hamas took those hostages on

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<v Speaker 1>October seven. And overall the Israeli government, which really is

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<v Speaker 1>bbe right, but the Israeli government, fifty nine percent of

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<v Speaker 1>America of Americans hold an unfavorable view of the Israeli government.

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<v Speaker 1>That is up from fifty one percent of last year. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't get to fifty nine percent of Americans on

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<v Speaker 1>anything without having essentially pieces of all three of America's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of political tribes right, the left, center, and right.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is definitely the case there. Now let me

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<v Speaker 1>move to what we learned about the Israeli people, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think some of these numbers will surprise people, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I say this as an American Jew,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we in some cases, I think folks that

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<v Speaker 1>are not familiar, you know, with there's plenty of diversity

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<v Speaker 1>of thought inside the American Jewish community, plenty of diversity

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<v Speaker 1>of thought among American Jews. On bb the individual or

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli government of the Palestinian people, that nuance gets lost,

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<v Speaker 1>frankly in a lot of the conversation that takes place online,

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<v Speaker 1>which is as an American jew very frustrating to many

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<v Speaker 1>of us. Many of us and look, we disagree amongst ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>We have plenty of debates in the Jewish community ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're pretty good at debating. We like debating, I

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you that. But this to me, I think

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<v Speaker 1>won't surprise American Jews, but this will surprise people who

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<v Speaker 1>are not familiar as familiar. Sixty six percent of Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>say it's time to end the war in Gaza. Sixty

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<v Speaker 1>six percent of Israelis folks. Okay, that is up thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>points from a year ago at this time, and another

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<v Speaker 1>the same essentially sixty six percent two thirds of the

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<v Speaker 1>country think Prime Minister Beating that Yahoo should take responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>for the security failures that led to the October seventh

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<v Speaker 1>attacks and resign. Okay, Now to split up that number

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<v Speaker 1>just so you know, it's about forty five percent who

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<v Speaker 1>believed he should resign immediately. Now there's a whole chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of Israelis that think that that BB. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a security failure and he should take responsibility for this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never taken responsibility for the lack of smart security

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<v Speaker 1>around October seventh. And then there's another fifteen percent who

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<v Speaker 1>believed that he should resign after the war is over,

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<v Speaker 1>finish the military operation and then resign. But it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>clear two thirds sixty basically sixty six percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>population thing it is time for BB to leave the stage.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to go. And I think it's I think

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<v Speaker 1>there is a belief and this happens in any wartime situation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is not unique to Israel. Zelenski is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be facing the same thing. There's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be fatigue the population. There's going to be a belief

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<v Speaker 1>the population that in some ways there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>too much scar tissue with that leader, and they're never

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and frankly, they may be so warped that

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<v Speaker 1>they see everything as something they got to go to

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<v Speaker 1>war to. And so just in general, you'll see there'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a similar situation in Ukraine where there'll be people

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<v Speaker 1>think it's time Brazilenski to go now. They may say

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<v Speaker 1>let's wait till after the war, don't change horses in

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<v Speaker 1>midstream type of mindset, which is something that many a

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<v Speaker 1>democracy goes through. But I just think in general, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's I know this, I knew he was more

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<v Speaker 1>unpopular than popular in Israel. I was surprised that the

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<v Speaker 1>number would would be that high. This is worth in

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<v Speaker 1>a question again of the Israeli public. A majority of

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<v Speaker 1>the public believes that israel standing in the international arena

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<v Speaker 1>is worse today than it was before October seventh. Seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three percent of the overall sample believes this. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is across the board. Among Israeli Jews it's seventy six percent,

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<v Speaker 1>and among Israeli Arabs it is sixty percent. This is

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<v Speaker 1>also the view of the majority of each of the

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<v Speaker 1>three political camps within Israel. Those on the left, ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of those in the Israeli left believe Israel's

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<v Speaker 1>international standing is worse today, eighty seven percent in the

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<v Speaker 1>political center, and even sixty nine percent in the political right.

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<v Speaker 1>And what is the main goal of this war right,

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<v Speaker 1>There's been, frankly a debate inside Israel what should the goal?

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<v Speaker 1>Is the goal to get all the hostages home or

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<v Speaker 1>is the goal to eradicate Hamas? Well. We've heard what

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<v Speaker 1>Biebe says, and certainly what his right wing government says.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to make it about Hamas, but that is

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<v Speaker 1>not where a majority of the Israeli public is sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the Israeli public believe the main goal

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<v Speaker 1>of the war in Godza today should only be bringing

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<v Speaker 1>the hostages home, hard stop, hard stop. And the share,

0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.000
<v Speaker 1>by the way of people that old those views has

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<v Speaker 1>actually grown since January of twenty twenty four among both

0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs. And it's really not surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>There's fatigue, there's concern that they're frankly never going to

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<v Speaker 1>get home in time on that front. But it's I

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<v Speaker 1>just think here on this October seventh, we should reflect,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be hopeful that this is that we are potentially

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<v Speaker 1>at the end here. And you know, for all the

0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:44.119
<v Speaker 1>grief everybody, this is a case where Donald I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if if another American president could be putting BB

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<v Speaker 1>in his place on this a little bit. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a case where Trump's using his sort of unique ability

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<v Speaker 1>to bully for good. In a certain sense, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not very good politics in general, it's not very good

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<v Speaker 1>diplomacy in general. But sometimes you know, BB and Trump

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<v Speaker 1>are very similar guys. They're clinging to power to avoid accountability, right,

0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.560
<v Speaker 1>They share a lot in common. They have gotten power

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<v Speaker 1>without having a majority support, which is easier to explain

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.080
<v Speaker 1>in a parliamentary system a little harder to explain in

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<v Speaker 1>our system. The two of them do have a lot

0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.159
<v Speaker 1>in common, but it also means Trump knows how to

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<v Speaker 1>Trump knows how to bully BB because he knows who

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<v Speaker 1>BB is. So at this point, let's just hope we

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<v Speaker 1>can turn the page, stop the killing, start the rebuilding,

0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.199
<v Speaker 1>and see if the page came truly get turned. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East, there's a reason results matter more than promises,

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<v Speaker 1>they win. Look, the issue of Israel whould still end

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<v Speaker 1>up being a huge player inside, particularly inside Democratic primary politics,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do want to make note before I get

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<v Speaker 1>it full fledged in my sort of political briefing of

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the week. There's already an attack ad against a presidential

0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.520
<v Speaker 1>candidate twenty twenty eight potential presidential candidate airing in the

0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.400
<v Speaker 1>state of New Hampshire. The Pro Palestinian group im EU

0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Policy Project has a new ad on TV in New

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<v Speaker 1>Hampshire criticizing Kentucky Governor Andy Bashir. The ad hits Bashir

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<v Speaker 1>for declining to tell Politico in August whether he would

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<v Speaker 1>support blocking certain weapons sales to Israel. This has become

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<v Speaker 1>more and more Democrats have gotten on board this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of essentially blocking the sale of some military equipment and

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<v Speaker 1>some arms to Israel by the US government, and it

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<v Speaker 1>also attacks him for calling Israel a critical ally. In

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<v Speaker 1>a July Vogue interview, for what It's worth, the Bashir

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<v Speaker 1>it was interesting how Bashir is. What Bashir's spokespersonun told Politico,

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump can and should provide aid to address starvation

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<v Speaker 1>and suffering in Gaza, and he should do so in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that does not compromise the safety of the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli people. I think what this is an interesting sort

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<v Speaker 1>of shot, political shot, if you will. Where I do

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<v Speaker 1>think there are there is a movement on the left

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<v Speaker 1>that wants to make this a litmus test issue inside

0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:30.240
<v Speaker 1>democratic primary politics. So they're going after This is the

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<v Speaker 1>case where Basher's probably already seen as the most they've

0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.280
<v Speaker 1>been gone after Shapiro, but Basher and Shapiro probably the

0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.720
<v Speaker 1>most pro Israel. They had a had they had a

0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.880
<v Speaker 1>way to you know, they had a specific news story

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<v Speaker 1>to cling to on this, and it I don't know

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.160
<v Speaker 1>how salient it will be in a Democratic primary, right,

0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.440
<v Speaker 1>there are certain issues and this is where I think

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 1>polling doesn't always tell you this story. There are certain

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<v Speaker 1>issues that will pull a certain way, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily motivate a voter. And the question is whether a

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<v Speaker 1>stance on Israel is a voting issue for a Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>primary voting for president or is it on the list

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<v Speaker 1>of things you'd like? But it is not a deal breaker,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not going to sit here and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>I think I know the answer of which way that leans.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to learn a little something of Michigan Center

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<v Speaker 1>primary is going to be fascinating. I think on that issue,

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<v Speaker 1>Abdul say Ed clearly calls it genocide of what Israel does.

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Molly mcmarrow has decided to also use that word genocide

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<v Speaker 1>in there. That is not something Hailey Stevens, the establishment

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<v Speaker 1>favorite in that primary, has used. So I think that's

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:54.000
<v Speaker 1>an open question. How much of a voting issue is

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<v Speaker 1>a Democrats position on Israel? Is it a voting motivator?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it can be a financial motivator, either to

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<v Speaker 1>give or not to give, etc. But is it an

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.680
<v Speaker 1>activator when it comes to voting? It is it if

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 1>you agree with something on everything else? How many voters

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 1>are out there that are only voting on this issue?

0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 1>How many single issue voters on it? You can probably

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<v Speaker 1>tell I'm skeptical that there are many on this for

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<v Speaker 1>what it's worth. But this leads me into sort of

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<v Speaker 1>my briefing of the week, my twenty twenty six briefing

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to do, and the focus I did

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<v Speaker 1>on my substack column, which is up and to be

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 1>read right now and always free on Substack. I am

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 1>not charging a subscription there right now. I view it

0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 1>as a way to bring some attention to this podcast

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and vice versa, how the podcast bring some attention to

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the column on this front. But it is we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a role reversal between the two parties. Essentially, the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>are clearing primary fields all over the country, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>with the large exception of the lone Star state. And

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens in the state of Louisiana, although

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>primary hasn't popped up just yet for Bill Cassidy. But

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.879
<v Speaker 1>outside of the John Cornyn mess with Ken Paxton and

0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>now Wesley Hunt, and that is a mess, don't get

0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:16.600
<v Speaker 1>me wrong. And if you know, if Cornyn is the nominee,

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 1>you take the race off the map. If Ken Paxson

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>is the nominee, Democrats have a legitimate shot at winning

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>control of the US side. That's how that's what's at

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<v Speaker 1>stake in that primary. Because I don't have a fourth

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I really don't see a viable path for four pickups

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 1>for the Democrats on their best stack. But if Ken

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Paxson's a Republican nominee in Texas, then there's a viable

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>path for four. Suddenly you can see it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina, Maine, you know one, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>those Midwestern states maybe right, you know with Ohio shared Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in Iowa open seat. What's going on in Nebraska, Alaska? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I could, I could. You could see one of those

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>coming in, right, It's hard to see two of those

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 1>coming in, but I could see one of those coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you throw in Texas and you start that pot.

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<v Speaker 1>But overall, in general, there's no primary for the open

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>seat in Iowa. Republicans have successfully rallied everybody around Ashley Henson.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we know in twenty twenty two, this would

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>have been there'd have been a mega candidate, a McConnell candidate,

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of colorful characters jumping into that race in Iowa.

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 1>In Michigan, Mike Rodgers had to deal with the primary

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>last time, there is no primary. This time, primaries were

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<v Speaker 1>a problem in the Republican side, arguably cost them a

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 1>chance at a governor's at a governor's seat, certainly made

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the Senate seat a bit harder. This time, they got

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Mike Rogers without having a primary. Meanwhile, there's gonna be

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a hugely messy and potentially nasty primary on the Democratic side.

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<v Speaker 1>On that front, they don't have a primary in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they do in Georgia, and we'll see if they

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<v Speaker 1>end up with a primary in New Hampshire. I think

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 1>if they get and Trump probably leans on Scott Brown successfully.

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's really what Republicans have done is John Thune

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.959
<v Speaker 1>is working hand in hand with the White House and

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>they're doing their best to essentially agree on tann It's

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>McConnell kind of tried that, but there was the disaster

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of herschel Walker, right, that was just a debacle where

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 1>everybody knew that was a bad idea, but he chose

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>to give the president that And well, that's why there

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<v Speaker 1>are two Democratic senators in the state of Georgia. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is and in fact, Dune, according to an article

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<v Speaker 1>on Political Early this Week, has done has made a

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 1>huge effort and has successfully convinced the White House, don't

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 1>harass Susan Tollins, don't find some maga person to go

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<v Speaker 1>primary her. And she is the only person that can

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<v Speaker 1>win that Senate seat if it's winnable, and I don't

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 1>know if it is this time, not going to have

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:56.120
<v Speaker 1>a rule out Susan Tollins's ability to win that race,

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>but she does have the highest unfavorable rating she's ever

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<v Speaker 1>had going into it, going into one of these re elections.

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<v Speaker 1>But this, you know, contrasts that, right this was the

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<v Speaker 1>hallmark of the Democrats. Chuck Schumer was extraordinarily and Harry

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Reid all throughout sort of starting in late Obama years,

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>going through of avoiding messy ideological primary fights, figuring out

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>how to you know, settle on somebody early, recruit them

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and clear the primary field. John Hickenlooper got a Senate

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>seat this way, and King got a Senate seat this way.

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, Steve Bullock lost a Senate seat, but he,

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was able to have a clear primary

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 1>field when he chose to run. Look, they got that

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>in shared brown right now, but he still actually is

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 1>facing a primary. It looks like there will won't be

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a significant primary in the New Hampshire open seat, which

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>is a small win there, but that's going to be

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a tough race either way. And certainly Roy Cooper has

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>has is sort of the model of you know, they

0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 1>just not many Roy Hooper's out there, but look at

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the State of Man. You know, it looks like they've

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 1>got the governor to run, but you've got all these

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>other candidates that keep jumping in and feel as if

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and it's sort of understandable. I think you have a

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you have a pent up set of you have a

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 1>pent up party, right, a party that's been told to

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 1>suck it up and support Hillary Clinton, suck it up

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>and support Joe Biden, suck it up and support Kamala

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Harris without without going through a primary process. So I

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 1>do think there's fatigue with being told what to do

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 1>by an establishment that doesn't seem to have many wins

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>anymore to tout. And but look, as we saw the

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Republican side, a primary goes the wrong way, the ideology

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>gets ugly. Somebody may win but be totally bruised. Somebody

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>may win but despite some awful opposition research that surfaces,

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>and while they can survive the primary, they can't survive

0:28:55.280 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the general. That's what primaries. You know, primaries. Primaries increase

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the unexpected, right, they increase the unintended when you don't

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>have primaries. Now, look, I could argue primaries could be

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 1>healthy to the party. Democrats need to have a good

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>fight to figure out their direction because I think they

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 1>don't know. They're pretty paralyzed right now, and where's to go.

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 1>There's a fear there's a divide between progressives who think, hey,

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>emulate the Mega movement a little bit here right. You know,

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the Establishment of Republicans said MAGA is

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>a loser. It turns out Mega has given Republicans more

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 1>power than they've gotten in a generation. And I think

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of progressives who say, what's wrong

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>with emulating a model like that. Let's paint in brighter colors,

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>let's have more conviction, let's be bolder and lean out there.

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's where the swing voter is right,

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and I've made the argument you've got the adult in

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the room voter that I do think is leaned to

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>the left over the last in the Trump era, I

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>think the adult in the room voter Lates, But I

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>think that that has been an important constituent. See it's

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>not a huge constituency, and it doesn't have much of

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a constituency in a primary. These are mostly general election voters.

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 1>But I bring up the adult in the room party

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the situation in Virginia right now.

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>And let's be honest. If this, if these techs had

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>surfaced on J. Jones, the attorney general nominee for the Democrats,

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a month ago, he'd be out already because they would

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>have had time to replace him as the nominee. It

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 1>really appears that the only reason they're not doing this

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>is they don't want to. They don't want to lose

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the race. There's got to be other ways around this,

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 1>right The one I've come up with, and why somebody

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>hasn't suggested, is if you convince him that if he

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>if he gets elected, he agrees to resign, he should

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>not hold an office, a law enforcement position. If he

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>had been a deputy AG as an appointee or a

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 1>deputy US Attorney, an a DA or something, and that

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>he'd have been fired. No government, uh legal entity would

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 1>want that. Those text message you know, have somebody prosecuting

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>the case, who has whose text messages saying, you know,

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>making threats like that to public officials. You just you

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't do it. It would it would get rid of

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, it would cost you credibility in any case

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 1>that person would prosecute. So it's it's it looks like

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and I get it right. Trump never apologizes, never surrenders.

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>And I know that there's some that think, hey, you know, well,

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>if you know they do it, why can't we do it?

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 1>But the honorable thing is to agree that if he

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>if you're if he's elected, he'll resign and then, according

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>to the the Virginia Constitution, the General Assembly would elect

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the would essentially elect the replacement on this. And look,

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>if you want to just play partisan politics here, it's

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>most likely a general Assembly is going to be democratic.

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>We'll see what the final results are. But doing this

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>dance of condemning what he said but agreeing to vote

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>for him and allow, you know, I think the Democrats

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>need to be conducting what I refer to as civil

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>war surgery, where sometimes you had to cut off a

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>limb to save the body. There's a month. Do I

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>think this costs Abigail's Fanburg or the race. I do

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>not this cost her three or four points? Maybe could

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>it cost them the LG race? Good? Right, it's it

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>feels like this is that that there are that this

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>is sort of the what Trump has done. This is

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of everybody's got Trump brain. And right, just because

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Trump survives these things doesn't mean it's you know, it's

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the right thing to do. And again I just sort

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>of asked the question. The results will tell me, the

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 1>voters will tell us the answer to this. But like

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, I believe that that that Democrats have benefited

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>being the adult in the room. Party. You don't behave

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 1>as the adult in the room on this on this

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>part of the conversation. What do you lose long term?

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe maybe you end up maybe rallying around

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the troops here, you know, and you get them elected.

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>But what if you do win with him? Zach got

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>to call him to question all of his moves. Is

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>he a paralyzed office holder? As it is? You know,

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I it is. This is never going to go away

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:08.320
<v Speaker 1>with him, you know, And it wasn't. I tell you

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>what sort of really bothers me about this is it's

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>not the It's sort of like the text themselves were Jesus,

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>what what do you? Why are you putting this in writing?

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>But it was the second part of the story where

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>the lawmaker was like, what are you saying this for?

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And he sort of doubled down on it in a

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>verbal conversation. Right, It was more it wasn't you know

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you can? You can? You could forgive somebody in a

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 1>heat of the moment, right, you know, nobody wants their

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>And if every thought that went through all of our

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 1>heads were broadcaster or or verbalized, and by the way,

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 1>these neurotransplants right could start doing that, I don't think

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>any of us would want that public. Okay, everybody has

0:34:55.000 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a stray thought, even if it's a hypothetical whatever. Okay,

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>but good grief, we're not George orwell. Right, So there's

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>a there's certainly lines here, but the fact that wasn't

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 1>heat of the moment. And again it's the office he's

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>running for, turning genmor right, that's a law enforcement office.

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I think the Democrats are playing with some

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>political fire here, and they'd probably be in a better

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>place if they were calling for his immediate resignation upon election.

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:31.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, that could be the compromise since it's too

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:44.439
<v Speaker 1>late to get his name off the ballot. All right.

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you, but it's like this entire

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that was just outrage, and I think I

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>shared this story about the source of mind that sort

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>of what drove them away from leaving the r n

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:59.280
<v Speaker 1>C when they got got that letter that this panicked

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>woman said, my social Security check doesn't come for another week?

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Is it okay? If I wait? You know, and if

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 1>you think about it, how these the way fundraise, the

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>way this online fundraising world works, which again I think,

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>as Adam has put it, feels like glorified you know,

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 1>targeting of just you know, abusing the elderly here. But

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 1>in some ways it's it's it's the incentive structure of

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>our information ecosystem in general. Right, You've got to have

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>these sort of blaring, sort of urgent, urgent headlines to

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>grab the attention of readers. It sort of you know,

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 1>makes everything seem as if it's a it's you know,

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, we started with cable news making everything breaking news, right,

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and eventually if everything's breaking news, then what's just news? Right?

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, what's just it? And it's in some ways

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>This is sort of what we've done to political fundraising,

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 1>what we've done to news consumption. How the algorithms prioritize

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 1>again the incentives, right, it prioritizes this, and it really

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>has warped our brains. Ten years of this kind of

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>of this kind of nonsense is I think, you know,

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>helps explain why we're in the why we're in the

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable position we're in when it comes to our information ecosystem.

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>All right, it is Wednesday. It's my top five, top five,

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>top top. Last week was my top five Senate seats

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>for the month of most likely to flip. Well, today

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do my top five governor seats most

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 1>likely to flip between now and November of twenty twenty six.

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Why do I say between now and November of twenty

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty six, because we have two governor's races coming up

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>this November, one in Virginia and one in New Jersey,

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and well one of them is in my top five list.

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>And what it is, it's most likely to change parties. Right,

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>This is why it's doesn't mean I'm saying it's it's

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>going to be the closest race, the most top but

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 1>it's most likely. So the number one seat most likely

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to change parties, well, right now, it's Virginia, right, it's

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 1>a Republican governor, Glenn Youngkin Abigail Spamberger's got anywhere from

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>an eight to twelve point lead depending on the polls.

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>We haven't had any good polling since the controversy involving

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>the ag nominee and those horrific texts that were made public.

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine it only has a small if any.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:33.399
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like it is not. We'll see, all right,

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think it does if they they

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of continue this dance and allow it to sort

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>of dominate the next three or four weeks. It could

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>cost for a couple of points, but I don't think

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>it costs he a race. So I think she's definitely

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>number one. It's the number one most likely to flip

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to change parties. Again, that's how my top five works.

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 1>So the next four and I will tell you, look,

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey is going to be close. I sort of

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>refer to New Jersey. It's sort of like the Miami

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Florida state game. I knew that was going to get

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 1>close at the end, no matter what happened, because the

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Miami Florida State games. They always do if it is

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 1>it is a rivalry games, so they always both teams

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>have had a history of coming back from keep deficits

0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and making games close at the end. And so I

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.720
<v Speaker 1>put New Jersey, I put Chittarelli in there as Florida State.

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 1>There's it's not a remote chance that he wins. There's

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good chance. And in fact, if you created

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 1>a point spread and the points spread were three with

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Mikey Cheryl, you know, basically being a three point favorite,

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I'd take the underdog. I think this is going to

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>be a one or two point race. I think got

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>election night, we're waiting a little bit. It's not something

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>that gets called right away. We're going to say, have

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>to see a lot of data, all but various vote

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>counting entities, and we'll do that. So I think it's

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 1>going to be awfully close on that front. But it's

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>not cracking my top five just yet. And and and

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>but it's right there. You could say it's it's it's six.

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 1>It's really close. So it's gonna be a lot of

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>competitive governors races. That's really what it means. But I

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>think when you slotted in, you know, and I look

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.439
<v Speaker 1>at it as sort of where I think the race

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>will be, not necessarily where the race is at, and

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 1>think when it's slotted in. So I still make sure

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>all this slight favored, because I do think the overall

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>political environment favors Democrats right now because of the unpopularity

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of the president. And I think that's probably the difference

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>between winning and losing in a state like New Jersey

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 1>right now. But we'll say, certainly going to be closer

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>than Virginia, that's for sure. But number two right there

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>for me is Kansas. Right you have Laura Kelly is

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 1>not running again. She's term limited. The Democratic Democratic governor

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>of Kansas. Kansas is a Here's a couple of rules

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:01.239
<v Speaker 1>on governors, Okay. Number one, The hardest thing to do

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.399
<v Speaker 1>is to deny a sitting governor a second term. It

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>is harder than denying a senator, a second term House

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>member of second term, a president a second term. Defeeding

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and incumbent governor is very difficult. It's a little bit

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>easier when you're trying to when you're trying to if

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>they're running for a third or a fourth term. Some

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 1>states allow it, some don't. Kansas, it is just two

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and that's it. They have a two term limit there.

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 1>And Kansas has shown a pattern I mean literally was

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>you had eight years of Kathleen Sibilius and you had

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:36.360
<v Speaker 1>eight years of Republican governor and eight years of Lord Kelly.

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>So there's a bit of a pattern there. So you

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>got to make the Republicans a favor, and I think

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>overall is sort of the same way. For you know,

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Virginia has been sitting in this number one slot. If

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I had been doing it for the last year, it

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 1>had been sitting there the whole time. Because again with

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>an open governor's race, it is open seat races that

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:58.760
<v Speaker 1>are most likely to flip party than sitting governors. Okay,

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 1>defeating And here's a hint, there's not going to be

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a single race in my top five that features a

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 1>sitting government. I'll get to I think it's the most

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>vulnerable sitting governor in the country after I do my

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>top five list. So number one is Virginia, Number two

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:19.919
<v Speaker 1>is Kansas. Number three and four could easily be could

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>easily flip. And since I was just at the Big

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>ten government relations, it means they're both Big ten states

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and it actually is this state or this state? Is

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>it this state or is this state? Do you see

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing here? Anyway, it's the hand thing. Michigan Wisconsin.

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I put Wisconsin number three, Michigan number four. You told

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.439
<v Speaker 1>me it should be Michigan number three, Wisconsin number four.

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, I probably should. You know, I could argue

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Michigan three because of the three way race, you know,

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>if you know doug In, certainly I think it. I

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.279
<v Speaker 1>think the path were a Republican for John James is

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 1>probably slightly easier in Michigan than Wisconsin. So Michigan, you

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 1>could say, is three A and and Wisconsin would be

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>just below that. So as I'm talking this out, I'm

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:08.800
<v Speaker 1>realizing it's Michigan that's in the third slot. But it's

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>because of that three way race with the independent dug In.

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>It's it's the math. It may simply become a math

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 1>problem for Democrats unless Dougan wins right, or unless Duggan

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>gets you know, or or he fades hard right. But

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the problem is, if he's down as a five to

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>ten percent candidate, he most likely takes more from the

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Democrat than the Republicans. So I think you have to

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.760
<v Speaker 1>put John James uh As slightly ahead and put Michigan

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.520
<v Speaker 1>three the open seat in Wisconsin. This is going to

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>be an extraordinarily close race Wiscoont. Let's see how the

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 1>primary goes Wiscont. You know, when when Wisconsin goes too

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:49.359
<v Speaker 1>far to the right, that's when they struggle to win

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 1>statewide races. They've had more success with businessmen at times

0:43:55.280 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>in some of these primaries. We'll see, But I will

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.720
<v Speaker 1>tell you this, I hope, I hope my man Tommy

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Thompson gets into this race. Eighty five year old Tommy Thompson,

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.280
<v Speaker 1>who was a four term governor back in the nineties,

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>indicated he'd like to run again. He ran for Senate

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>a cycle or so ago and got and got trounced

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 1>by Tammy Baldwin. He doesn't have his fastball, but he's

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 1>probably more with it than other eighty year old politicians,

0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you that. And he certainly would be entertaining

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 1>in the primary and would make it an even more

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 1>fun race to cover. But overall, let's see how that

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.880
<v Speaker 1>primary goes, which which really is another reason to keep

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 1>it in the fore slot. The Lieutenant Governor Tony Evers

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 1>is a running mate is the most likely demonominee, but

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll see. I think that's still early there. And then

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the fifth slot. Right now, I put Iowa in Rob

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:52.240
<v Speaker 1>sand This is as he's been in the race a while,

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>He's accumulated a ton of money. The Republican it is

0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>going to be a pretty competitive Republican primary. There is

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>no there is no nobody's been really coronated just yet.

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>That could happen, and I think Randy Finstruf he gets

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the nomination, is going to be a really really strong

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Republican nominee. Sam's gonna have a ton of money. He

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 1>has been a proven he won even in a tough

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 1>Democratic year. He won re election as state auditor, so

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>his track record's pretty strong. He's been running a very

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>centrist campaign. Remember, those of you that have been listening

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to my podcast from the very beginning, know that Rob

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Sam was on this race, and he was He basically said,

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the only reason he's running as a Democrats is that

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 1>it's too hard to run as an independent. So point

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 1>is is you could see the type of race he's

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>tried to run. He is not He is not going

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.359
<v Speaker 1>to want to get tagged as a national Democrat. We'll

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.799
<v Speaker 1>see if we'll see if he's successful at that. If

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>he is, he's going to be there. Look, there's a

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of other competitive governatorial races this year. I think

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Ohio is going to be competitive, but I think Romas

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be the favorite, so the Republicans therefore

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.720
<v Speaker 1>going to be favorite. I think Tim Walls. I think Georgia,

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>the open zing in Georgia is going to be competitive there,

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's got a long way to go

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>before we know which way that wind is blowing. And

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>it's been along, you know, it's been since Roy Barnes

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>want a term as governor in nineteen ninety eight, since

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Democrats been able to win a governor's race. I think

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the most right now vulnerable incumbent in the country is

0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Katie Hobbs for the Democratic side in Arizona. UH and

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Dave Schwikert, a swing state member of Congress. There's been

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:39.239
<v Speaker 1>swing district who's constantly had to deal with very tough

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 1>congressional races. He's the He's jumped in up primary that

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>already has two MAGA Trump endorsed candidates in it. Schwikert said, nominee.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I think Hobbs is in deep, deep trouble. Her best

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 1>way past the victory is if one of if it

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 1>if it's somebody that's a bit too conservative, that that's

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of been the past in an Arizona politics for

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 1>some time. Democratic success goes hand in hand with Republicans

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 1>nominating folks too far from the center. You know, Arizona

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.680
<v Speaker 1>really is a sort of center right but much more

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:16.240
<v Speaker 1>libertarian state, and I think some of that Maga stuff

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:19.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't quite play as well there. There's a large Mormon

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>population in Arizona that doesn't like the low character style

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 1>of mega politics either. That is also provided an opening

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>for moderate Democrats to win statewide there as well. So

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, she won very narrowly against the second most

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:38.919
<v Speaker 1>unpopular or a second arguably the second most unqualified person

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to run for governor in Kerry Lake. And so I think,

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I think anybody that's slightly more mainstream than Kerry Lake,

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you've gotta you've got to give. So she's probably the

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:57.320
<v Speaker 1>most vulnerable incumbent. And then on the Republican side, it's

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:02.800
<v Speaker 1>it's Joe Lombardo Nevada, probably the most vulnerable Democratic Republican incumbent.

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 1>But again the hardest thing to do in politics is

0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to deny a governor second term. It just doesn't happen

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:13.080
<v Speaker 1>very often. All right, here's my top five for the week. Now,

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 1>let's do a couple of questions. We'll get you out

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 1>of here, little last Chuck, ask Chuck. All right, it's

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:24.879
<v Speaker 1>question time. Let's start. We'll start with Aaron W. He says, Hello, Chuck,

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sick of seeing money and special interest ruling politicians.

0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:30.919
<v Speaker 1>I fully believe they will never vote to band stock

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 1>trading of elected officials or vote to fund their own

0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:36.640
<v Speaker 1>healthcare out of pocket like normal working people. However, would

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 1>there ever be a snowballs chance in hell of a

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 1>constitutional amendment danning stock trading or cutting off perks like

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.720
<v Speaker 1>top of the line healthcare. Probably not, but one can dream, right, thanks,

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Aaron W. Well, look here's where I do think. Look

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I am, I really do believe we're going to have

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.840
<v Speaker 1>some form of a constitutional convention in the next decade

0:48:56.920 --> 0:49:01.399
<v Speaker 1>or so. I think we're much better. And again, when

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>you look at other periods of tumult that are similar

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.359
<v Speaker 1>to the period of political tumult that we're experiencing. It

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>was followed by a robust movement of adding important constitutional amendments. Right,

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 1>if you look, we basically had three periods where we

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>as a country, you know, past quite a few constitutional amendments.

0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:28.239
<v Speaker 1>One was, of course, you know, at the founding, The

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 1>second was after the Civil War and during the Civil War,

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and the third was in this period. And then from

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:35.879
<v Speaker 1>about you know, nineteen ten through about nineteen thirty five,

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.880
<v Speaker 1>where we did quite a bit of amending you know,

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>direct election of senators, women's right to vote, they prohibition,

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and then repealing prohibition, et cetera. So, and I think

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it turns out that the emolument's clause for the presidency

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't enough, that we may have to be more direct

0:49:56.000 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 1>about elected office and business interests and financial interests. So

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I am bullish that if we get to that point

0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 1>of a constant where there's some agreement about, hey, we

0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.200
<v Speaker 1>need to you know, we need to look at some

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:14.359
<v Speaker 1>at some refreshing of our democracy, and we can't let

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>another president do that. In order to perhaps get a

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>broader coalition supportive of a constitutional amendment, that it may

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I could see it being written in such a way

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to impact all federal elected office holders, not just the

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:35.720
<v Speaker 1>president and the vice president. So whether it's stock trading.

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you'd get to stock trading, but

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it is certainly going to be an you know, to

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:46.840
<v Speaker 1>put some constitutional guardrails in to prevent using office to

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>gain wealth in at least trying to minimize, trying to

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:56.880
<v Speaker 1>make it harder, trying to erect a real, actual constitutional

0:50:56.880 --> 0:51:00.680
<v Speaker 1>guardrail rather than a quote unquote norm or ethical guideline

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 1>or something something like that. And look, part of the

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:08.280
<v Speaker 1>reason it's it's the separation of powers make it hard

0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 1>for the legislative branch to put policies on the executive branch,

0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the elected leaders of that. So just you know, the

0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 1>cleanest way to do this is via constitutional amendment. Our

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 1>next question comes from Chrispy. It's a check, longtime fan

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 1>from the Meat Press days and now your podcast. Thank you, Chris,

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.800
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. My question comment regarding the shutdown is that

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it plays right into Trump's plan with the economy. Government

0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.399
<v Speaker 1>shutdown means no BLS reports, which will give Trump cover

0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>for the increasingly vad economic numbers. You'll blame the Democrats

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:37.959
<v Speaker 1>for the bad economic numbers once the shutdown end, because

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you really think the American people will believe another lie

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:44.040
<v Speaker 1>or misinformation. Chris I don't because I think, you know,

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>lived experience always trumps the misinformation. Right. Look, Joe Biden

0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>was out there and the Democrats were telling, you know,

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the economy's fined, and people said, well, that's not what

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:58.440
<v Speaker 1>i'm feeling. Right, So if it didn't work for Biden,

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and perhaps they weren't as good at it is as

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.399
<v Speaker 1>Trump is at times, I just don't think it's gonna

0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>work for your Lived experience is what you're gonna vote on. Okay,

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you know you're gonna believe me or you're lying eyes

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>right that that expression. But in all seriousness, I do

0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 1>think lived experience Trump's Trump's anything. Trump will try to

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:23.799
<v Speaker 1>spend on us, and so we'll say, look, there's a

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 1>lot of disagreement. I'm gonna have market any comeback pretty soon.

0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of disagreement here. I mean, I think

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>this is you know, I do think that we're going

0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to have another sort of messy interpretation of the economy.

0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, the stock market can continue to do gangbusters

0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 1>while people feel like this economy sucks. Right, And I've

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>always said that you know the number, if you look

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 1>at the economic numbers, it's just you know, if you're

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>not if you're not. It's just sort of like it

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 1>takes money to make money. But if you don't have

0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the money, you can't take advantage of the situation we're

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 1>in with the stock market. And then it feels like

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you can never get ahead. They can never catch up,

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 1>let alone get ahead. So I think this is a

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 1>really crappy economy if you don't already have a savings

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 1>or you don't already have a house. And so no

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 1>amount of numbers is going to mask the feeling people

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:24.040
<v Speaker 1>have the inability to move up the economic ladder, the

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 1>inability to get out of one house and get into

0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:29.080
<v Speaker 1>one that's slightly bigger and sort of move up, you know,

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 1>you sort of participate in what the American dream is

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:36.319
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be. So and I think twenty six, I

0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:41.280
<v Speaker 1>think we're going to have sort of a stock market

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:46.319
<v Speaker 1>that may give one perception of the economy. And then

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the cost to live, you know, higher healthcare premiums, higher,

0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, prices on every little good because of tariffs,

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:03.040
<v Speaker 1>are electric bills, and I look, I think the anti

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>data stuff, the AI data farms are going to start

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 1>becoming political targets and get blamed in some places it's

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<v Speaker 1>fair some places, it may not be fair for increasing

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of power. It's possible Trump takes some heat

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<v Speaker 1>for not embracing on all of the above energy policy,

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<v Speaker 1>which could lower our power bills over time instead of

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<v Speaker 1>increasing them. So I do think the cost to live

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<v Speaker 1>is not going away as an issue, even if the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the numbers of the economy will look pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good if you look at it a certain way, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>if you have some wealth versus what the numbers will

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<v Speaker 1>look like to those that can't break into that part

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<v Speaker 1>of the economy. And so I have a feeling that's

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<v Speaker 1>what things are going to look like in twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>and that's maybe the best case scenario for economic outlook.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Next question comes from Roger L. Hey, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been listening to your podcast for a year, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate your deep political insight. I have shallow

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:14.960
<v Speaker 1>political insight too. I promise I can go to the

0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.279
<v Speaker 1>deep end, but I'll get shallo. If you want you

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.680
<v Speaker 1>want to do some Paul fine Bomb, I just have

0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:21.719
<v Speaker 1>one piece of advice for Paul fine Bomb, by the way,

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:24.799
<v Speaker 1>to do some shallow hot take political analysis that an

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:29.239
<v Speaker 1>ESPN person will understand everybody who says they love you.

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Now just wait till you jump into politics. Brother, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>none of your word You think your words get scrutinized

0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:41.520
<v Speaker 1>now by SEC fans. You ain't see nothing yet, and

0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:44.359
<v Speaker 1>he already has sort of gotten a high hard one

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<v Speaker 1>by his you know where somebody dug up something he

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:51.839
<v Speaker 1>said about Trump in twenty seventeen. Look, if Trump gets

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<v Speaker 1>you the endorsement, then you're right. You'll be able to

0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 1>skate by, and it makes everything you said about him

0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:04.680
<v Speaker 1>forgivable to the Mago world. I'm not so convinced you're

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna get Trump on your side, mister Finebaum, but we

0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 1>shall say. All right, Sorry, just thought i'd provide you

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:11.960
<v Speaker 1>a little shallow political announcement set up the deep political insight,

0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.000
<v Speaker 1>he goes. You've often noted the Democrats struggled to find

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<v Speaker 1>themselves beyond being not Trump, even as you discuss issues

0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:19.759
<v Speaker 1>like democracy and equality in the rule of law. Truck

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<v Speaker 1>me that while Republicans have Project twenty twenty five as

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<v Speaker 1>a roadmap, Democrats could use their own Project twenty twenty

0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 1>eight or twenty twenty nine to outline concrete, broadly supported reforms.

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<v Speaker 1>When I give voters a clear vision of change. Roger,

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<v Speaker 1>I am increasingly somebody else has written something similar to this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm increasingly thinking that it is something democrats ought

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<v Speaker 1>to do because you know what, it's actually been done before,

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's worked. You know, the Contract with America ninety

0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:52.240
<v Speaker 1>four worked. I think the public, you know, a cynic

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<v Speaker 1>like me may say it's a bunch of hogwash, only

0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:57.440
<v Speaker 1>about two or three items and their real priorities. But

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:00.839
<v Speaker 1>voters want to know you're going to get something done right.

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think that and there in some ways, you know,

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:06.760
<v Speaker 1>like in the movie Tommy Boy, they want to guarantee

0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 1>on the box. You know, he wants it right there

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:12.640
<v Speaker 1>on the box. It's smiling at you, it's looking at you, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But in all seriousness, I do think that there's something

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I think the lack of trust in politicians

0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 1>these days means you got to put it in writing.

0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:27.440
<v Speaker 1>So I actually think if you, if you, you know,

0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:32.640
<v Speaker 1>we're all so accustomed to believe that you can't really

0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:36.720
<v Speaker 1>believe that a politician isn't gonna do what they say

0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and say what they do, right, So I think it

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<v Speaker 1>would be healthy. I mean, look, the downside to it

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 1>is the downside. Why the Trump campaign ran away from it,

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.720
<v Speaker 1>not towards it, even though it was a governing blueprint.

0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:53.720
<v Speaker 1>That's because some of the things that we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna turn off swing voters, and that's the danger. Right.

0:57:57.720 --> 0:58:01.000
<v Speaker 1>It all depends on how big your coalition is. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think generally voters do want to see something in writing.

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<v Speaker 1>I do so I think there's something to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know, I think the problem with Project twenty

0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty five is that was written to a love letter

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to Maga, which is why it was politically unpopular with

0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:27.240
<v Speaker 1>what they were doing. If somebody has an agenda that

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of more of a broad agenda that's designed

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<v Speaker 1>to benefit as many Americans as possible, not just members

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<v Speaker 1>of your side, I think putting it in writing could

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<v Speaker 1>be very very effective. All right, I'm just thinking one

0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 1>more question here. This one comes from Brian said, I

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<v Speaker 1>would you handle the bad faith arguments of misinformation that

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<v Speaker 1>republics are using influence government shutdown debate? Well, look, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I would you know. This is where I tactically

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<v Speaker 1>think I would have I go back. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I would have made this my moment of truth. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I would have taken the clean CR and taken

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<v Speaker 1>this to November and then made November the be all

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<v Speaker 1>and all on healthcare. I still think it's a good argument.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think it's a it's a it's it's certainly look,

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<v Speaker 1>if this were just about healthcare, they'd already have opened

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<v Speaker 1>the government. It's obviously not just about healthcare. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think plenty of Democrats inside, that's inside those elected Senate

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<v Speaker 1>and House conferences say Jesus, he's running rough shot over

0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the Constitution. We've got to show some spine. You've got

0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to stand up to him on somebody. We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>provide a road, if not a roadblock, at least a

0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 1>speed bump, make it harder for him to do these things,

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<v Speaker 1>not easier. Right, So the problem is that is not

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think a lot of voters, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>the democracy arguments haven't worked. They work with the bay

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't work with swing voters. What does work

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<v Speaker 1>with swing voters is stuff that impacts them cost of living,

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare subsidies. Right. That's so, I understand the choice of

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<v Speaker 1>the issue is correct politically, but they're in a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they lost some high ground and quote unquote clean cr

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. Trump is totally and completely an unreliable

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<v Speaker 1>partner to negotiate with because of what he did on recisions.

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<v Speaker 1>But just look at the word recisions. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>something that is in the everyday lexicon. And you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the recisions? Seventy percent of the country's going, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you recissoring? What are you talking about? And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think the real motivation here is that, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's running rough shot and not following the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's been an incredibly hard argument to get mass

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<v Speaker 1>appeal for. You could say maybe that that's the principle

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<v Speaker 1>worth standing standing on it. I don't. I don't disagree,

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<v Speaker 1>but and I certainly think this. You know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>asking me what I would do with this undocumented you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of they want health care for the undocumented,

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<v Speaker 1>I would continue to ask the rhetorical question, so should

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<v Speaker 1>emergency rooms reject anybody who isn't a citizen? Has any

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<v Speaker 1>anybody who heard of the hippocratic oath? Right? No doctor

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<v Speaker 1>is going to do that, And that is not what

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<v Speaker 1>America does. We're the United States, a fucking America. Pardon

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<v Speaker 1>my French here, Actually, you know, I'm speaking American here.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't do that. We don't leave people to die

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<v Speaker 1>in our country just because of what country they're from.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what we supposedly are holding ourselves up for

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<v Speaker 1>as a role model for the world. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>asking me how I would push back on that aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of the debate, I'd say, why do you want people

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<v Speaker 1>to die in emergency rooms? If you're there going to

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<v Speaker 1>be disingenuous? You fight back with you take a kernel

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<v Speaker 1>of truth? Do you want to rescind the law that

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<v Speaker 1>says emergency rooms do get reimbursed for treating anybody that

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<v Speaker 1>comes in, regardless of their nationality or their citizenship. I

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<v Speaker 1>promise you that wouldn't be popular. We're religious enough in

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<v Speaker 1>America to still think that we ought to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of somebody regardless, you know, no matter their hurt. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody committed a crime, we patch them up, then

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<v Speaker 1>we arrest them, right. Mark Sanchez found out about that

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<v Speaker 1>in Indianapolis over the weekend for football fans at Paula

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<v Speaker 1>Bet that story. If you need more on that, just

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<v Speaker 1>go google it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>into it. But the point is do you ask me

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<v Speaker 1>about how to deal with that. That's how we deal

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<v Speaker 1>with it. But I do think that the shutdown politics

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<v Speaker 1>are complicated because the real reason Democrats are drawn a

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<v Speaker 1>line in the same of the ear is not about healthcare, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's about the entire process of working with Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and how he has not you know, why should Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>provide sixty votes for appropriations when they will use fifty

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<v Speaker 1>votes on a parting line two to rescind some of

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<v Speaker 1>any appropriation they don't like, which they've already done. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's the that's where this is. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a you can't you can't trust the negotiation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fair gripe, and it's one that is it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, who's to say they would do this, They've

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<v Speaker 1>already done it, right, So, but that is a tough

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<v Speaker 1>one to galvanize the public on. That's the problem. The

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<v Speaker 1>specific issue of healthcare is something that the public will

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<v Speaker 1>galvanize about. And I have to say Republicans are fumbling

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<v Speaker 1>this healthcare conversation. Right when Marjorie Taylor Green is the

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<v Speaker 1>one out there leading the charge of, Hey, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to get these healthcare stuff. What are we doing to people?

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<v Speaker 1>If you notice she went out there and said that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump started to say, hey, we're gonna provide good healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>You can quite say, how right, But he's sensitive, he's

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<v Speaker 1>nervous about this issue. So in that sense, the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>have made some gains on the shutdown simply getting that

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<v Speaker 1>issue more front center, because look, it is hard to

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<v Speaker 1>break through on anything these days in the world of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. All right, with that, I will call it

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast. Appreciate you listening. Thank you as always. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'm my old man yelling at cloud, and you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I see by the numbers I am not, so I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that there's a lot of a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>joining me in yelling at the cloud. And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see him for twenty four hours until we upload again.

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<v Speaker 1>M