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Speaker 2: I always get that confused.

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Speaker 1: Bandamweight, flyway strawweight, Like why can't we just say one

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Speaker 1: That's why they gotta give it those nicknames. So before

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Speaker 1: I read this. I put this down in the notes.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't moving, so you don't have to worry about

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Speaker 2: The fights were fluquet.

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Speaker 1: My teammates have to come on the cruise ship and

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Speaker 1: watching I was fighting a Filipino fighter, and it was

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Speaker 1: They all came out of the kitchen and came out

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Speaker 2: But I ended up winning.

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Speaker 1: It was less than thirty seconds to fight. Then we

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Speaker 2: It was like a movie. Really, I can see my opponent.

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Speaker 3: When I first saw him, he looked like it was

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Speaker 2: What was he doing partying? I could just see it

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Speaker 3: He was kind of dancing and like it just just overwhelmed,

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Speaker 2: Not that is the craziest thing.

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Speaker 3: So overnight we flew to Malaysia, and overnight from Malaysia

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Speaker 1: Like people are like, wait, well, it's just like normal

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Speaker 1: so they were poured and they didn't leave yet and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all just in the pool hanging out and

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Speaker 3: the fights. They were like, if it rains, that's probably

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Speaker 3: And then I said we're walking and then I think

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Speaker 1: You must had a great time. It was like a

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Speaker 2: It was I think twenty seconds the whole fight.

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Speaker 3: I dropped them straight away for our hand of the

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Speaker 2: Pulled me off. And then yeah, I had two days

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Speaker 1: You probably fought all over the place to get to

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Speaker 2: What did it feel like like this was his hometown.

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Speaker 3: Like New Zealand and Australia, we're seeing there's one, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the shots you don't see coming that

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Speaker 3: He would try pull and he didn't pull far enough

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it was just perfect kind of welcome, welcome

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Speaker 1: You were in the octagon after and I'm interviewing you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you said, I'm MILDI bro, and the place went

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize how big that was until I went

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Speaker 3: I didn't rehearse any of that when you told me

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Speaker 3: when you asked me that question. None, None of that

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Speaker 2: I was just going off of how I felt the emotion. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't shy away from being emotional, and

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Speaker 3: in my culture and moldor culture showing emotion as a

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Speaker 3: sign of strength. Yeah, and yeah, I was just being

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Speaker 2: They didn't wash the fight. They just saw that. And really,

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Speaker 2: you don't know how much you've done for your people, and.

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Speaker 3: Just knowing that you're able to change someone's I guess

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Speaker 3: I'm embodling all of this, bringing all my culture with me.

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Speaker 3: It's my superpower. It's something that I draw on for strength.

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Speaker 3: It's something that I draw on for protection. But you

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Speaker 2: It is me.

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Speaker 1: You said it from your chest. But earlier we were

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Speaker 3: And my first name was was James, and you know,

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Speaker 3: taking it really and that's his generational trauma. So my

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Speaker 3: names because they were dealing with racism. They were dealing

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Speaker 1: Because we asked you, why did they ever call you

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Speaker 2: Then you said, no, no, my family have never called

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Speaker 3: But when I was in primary school, everyone keep missing

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Speaker 3: I was young, Yeah, I was young, and I didn't

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Speaker 3: people mispronouncing my name. I just want to be James,

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Speaker 3: James Frans James France, which is, you know, the widest

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Speaker 3: you know, and I wanted to just yeah, full circle.

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Speaker 2: Now. You know, my kids they have Maldi names, and

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Speaker 3: I'm proud to know that they're going to be growing

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Speaker 2: And that's that's how far we've come.

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Speaker 3: You know, when our grandparents were growing up, they couldn't

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Speaker 3: That's why I'm very emotional about my name, because I've

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Speaker 1: You and Pantusia fought way back in the day on

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Speaker 1: Make history, making history. And earlier you said what you

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Speaker 3: It's not the title, and you know the belt that

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Speaker 3: It just embodies everything. So that's why this fight is

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Speaker 2: I get to do it. Do that Saturday and Tottle.

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Speaker 1: You have fought for the belt once before, it didn't

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Speaker 2: This Saturday.

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Speaker 1: The fight might not have went you way in Dallas,

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Speaker 3: They're like, I'm surprised that the after parties here there

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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, what are we still doing here? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Any club that has a shootout, Gerry Pryor is a

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Speaker 3: But now, you know, I learned a lot from that experience,

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Speaker 2: Means was that it's food time, food time, Hey hungry?

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Speaker 1: Have you allowed yourself to see that moment when they

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Speaker 3: It makes me tear up because you know I want

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Speaker 3: I want this so bad, so sweet, I want this

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Speaker 3: what I'm looking forward to. And I'll visualized for fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: So I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and you fight very good guys. Kai Car

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Speaker 1: France fights for the UFC Flyweight Championship Saturday. You have

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