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Speaker 1: Are you using marijuana, are you depressed, have you suffered

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Speaker 1: in incredible ways and not happy ones. Doctor Daniel aman Or,

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Speaker 1: Come on in, I'm Raymond Arroyo. Welcome to Arroyo Grande.

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Speaker 1: by doctor Daniel Aman, brain specialist, New York Times bestselling

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Speaker 1: author and founder of the Aiman Clinics. Doctor, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being with us. You know I've always

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Speaker 1: Any kind of alcohol, any kind of alcohol, wine, everything.

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the Mojave Desert called Fort Irwin,

432
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Speaker 2: where I was the only psychiatrist for ten thousand people,

433
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Speaker 2: and I just loved it so much. And I brought

434
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Speaker 2: brain imaging technology two because I'm the boss, and so

435
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: I just had to get my boss to approve it.

436
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Where we started doing neuro feedback, where we could put

437
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Speaker 2: electrodes on your scalp, start measuring brain activity, and then

438
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: based on what we saw, teach you to change it.

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00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: And that's where I got the idea, change your brain,

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00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: change your life. And that has really been foundational for

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Speaker 2: the rest of my career. So when I went to

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Speaker 2: the lecture in nineteen ninety one on brain spect imaging,

443
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: I'd already been thinking about it. I'd already primed. It's like,

444
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: if you don't look, you don't know, but you can

445
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: take bad brains and make them better. You can take

446
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Speaker 2: good brains and make them great.

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Speaker 1: Incredible. And the diversity of people I imagine that you

448
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Speaker 1: meet in the military, especially people coming back from from

449
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Speaker 1: war or hostile situations, I'm sure that's a very specialized

450
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Speaker 1: type of medicine as opposed to the generic folks that

451
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Speaker 1: walk through the door today.

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Speaker 2: I don't know you know, at Aiman clinics, we've seen

453
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Speaker 2: a lot who have failed on average six medicines three

454
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: point three providers, and we've seen a whole bunch a

455
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: very interesting things. And we have a nonprofit foundation, Change

456
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: Your Brain Foundation of actually doing a special project now

457
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: for firefighters. Because I did the big NFL study when

458
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Speaker 2: the NFL was sort of lying it had a problem

459
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: with traumatic brain injury in football. It's like, stop lying

460
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: about it bad for the brain. But eighty percent of

461
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: our players got better. But when I realized afterwards, as

462
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Speaker 2: much as I love our football players, they're not heroes,

463
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Speaker 2: They're entertainers. Firefighters are heroes. And what we saw recently

464
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Speaker 2: with the devastation in California in Los Angeles, our foundation

465
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Speaker 2: raising money specifically for firefighters to scan them treat them

466
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Speaker 2: so that they did You know, firefighters have a forty

467
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Speaker 2: percent increased risk of suicide.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that about why.

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Speaker 2: Why is that because of the toxic exposure the trauma.

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Speaker 2: I talk about emotional trauma. Every day. They spend time

471
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Speaker 2: with people on the worst day of their lives, and

472
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Speaker 2: so you end up being re traumatized over and over again,

473
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Speaker 2: and often because of the machismo. It's like, oh, there's

474
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Speaker 2: nothing the matter with me. I don't need help. They

475
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Speaker 2: end up medicating the trauma with alcohol.

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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned in passing I don't want to

477
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Speaker 1: let this go before I move on, you said eighty

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Speaker 1: percent of the NFL players you worked with who had

479
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Speaker 1: experienced head trauma that they improved. How did you What

480
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Speaker 1: did you give them to do? Was it medication? Was

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Speaker 1: it practice?

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Speaker 2: Now? As actually a multiple vitamin, high dose B vitamins,

483
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 2: because there are a number of studies that say B six,

484
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Speaker 2: B twelve and fol aid in these particular dosages decrease

485
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: the conversion of mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's disease, and

486
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Speaker 2: it grew their hippocampus, major memory structure of the random

487
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Speaker 2: like okay, multiple vitamin with those doses of bees, high

488
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Speaker 2: dose of omega three, fatty acids and nutrients found to

489
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Speaker 2: increase blood flow and activity like genko. So we put

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Speaker 2: them on this supplement protocol that and then told them

491
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Speaker 2: to stop doing things that hurt their alcohol, marijuana and

492
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Speaker 2: so on. That was it. Eighty percent of will work

493
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Speaker 2: better now?

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Speaker 1: Incredible.

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Speaker 2: Also added later hyperbaric oxygen, which we found helpful and

496
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Speaker 2: if they were depressed, we would add either supplements like

497
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Speaker 2: saffron or medication if needed. But eighty percent was just

498
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Speaker 2: on the nutrient program and a little bit of brain

499
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Speaker 2: health education.

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Speaker 1: Incredible. Tell me about marijuana use. We talked about this

501
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Speaker 1: in passing, but you see all of these states legalizing this.

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Speaker 1: So many young people, so many young men use it

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Speaker 1: just the way you would smoke a cigar or have

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Speaker 1: a drink. In fact, it's a daily in fact, multiple

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Speaker 1: practice a day. And I'm often told, you know, by

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Speaker 1: people who use it regularly. Look, it just mellows me out.

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Speaker 1: It has no long term effect. You studied this, what

508
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Speaker 1: did you find and how does it affect the brain?

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Speaker 2: So I studied it. I mean I've been studying it

510
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: for thirty four years now with image and their brains

511
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: look older than they are. It's not good for the brain.

512
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Speaker 2: And then I published a study on a thousand marijuana users.

513
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Speaker 2: Every area of their brain is lower in blood flow

514
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Speaker 2: and activity. And then just a couple of weeks ago

515
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Speaker 2: in Jamma's psychiatry, there's an article not from my group,

516
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Speaker 2: from a completely separate group on a thousand marijuana users.

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Speaker 2: The learning and memory centers of their brain significantly lower

518
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Speaker 2: in activity. And it's common knowledge among psychiatrists, and studies

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00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: show that teenagers who use, and teenagers in massive numbers

520
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: now think it's harmless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah do doing.

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Speaker 2: It with their parents. I mean, this is the insanity

523
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Speaker 2: that's happening in our society. And teenagers who use in

524
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: their twenties increase anxiety, depression, suicide, and psychosis. This is

525
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: not okay. Now, I'm not a fan. If you're smoking

526
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: pot for them to arrest you and send you to jail,

527
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good use of our resources.

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Speaker 2: But we need and President Trump talked about this when

529
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Speaker 2: he was at the Department of Justice. It's we need

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Speaker 2: a serious brain health education, a drug prevention education program.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you know, but after I

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00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: listened to him all about how much does Anheuser Busch

533
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: spend a year in marketing? Because the President said he

534
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: raised like fifty million dollars for this campaign. V Heyser

535
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Speaker 2: Busch spends six point eight bill billion dollars a year

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00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: on sales and marketing. I'm like, we spend what almost

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00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: a trillion dollars on our defense budget. You're much more

538
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: likely to die from depression, suicide, obesity, dementia than you

539
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: are from a nuclear warhead. And shouldn't we be serious

540
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Speaker 2: about having prevention, a Department of Defense for brain health

541
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Speaker 2: and my big goal, maybe you can help me with it.

542
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: I would create a brain health revolution, and I think

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Speaker 2: this administration is the only one that can do it.

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Speaker 1: Does marijuana use? Does it make you more susceptible to Alzheimer's?

545
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Speaker 1: Imagine it does because you're constricting blood flow.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because it is not It does not give you

547
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: a healthy brain over time. That this study is because

548
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: it's only been legal for a very short time. There

549
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: are no great long term studies. But if I wanted

550
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: to prevent Alzheimer's and I had it in my family,

551
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Speaker 2: I absolutely wouldn't use it.

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Speaker 1: Doctor. I find, particularly when you talk to young people today,

553
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: they are wanderers, people who are just they're just wandering,

554
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: waiting for the next experience, waiting for something to happen.

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Speaker 1: You developed something that has intrigued me for a long time.

556
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Speaker 1: It's called the one page miracle. Tell people what that

557
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Speaker 1: is and the power it has.

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Speaker 2: I love this exercise so much. It's actually the first

559
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Speaker 2: thing I do with all of my patients on one

560
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: piece of paper, write down what you want relationships, work, money, physical, emotional,

561
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 2: spiritual health, What do you want? And then you ask yourself,

562
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Speaker 2: is my behavior getting me what I want? In one

563
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Speaker 2: of my books, I rewrote the twelve Step Program, you

564
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: know that was actually written eighty five years ago to

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Speaker 2: help people with alcoholism and addiction. And you know, step

566
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Speaker 2: one in the twelve Step program is my life is

567
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Speaker 2: out of control. And I'm like, no, that's not step one,

568
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Speaker 2: that's step two. Step one is, well, what the heck

569
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: do you want? What kind of relationship do you want

570
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Speaker 2: to have? What do you want to do at work?

571
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Speaker 2: What do you want with your money, What do you

572
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Speaker 2: want with your physical, emotional, spiritual health? Because then step

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Speaker 2: two becomes really easy. Is my behavior getting me what

574
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Speaker 2: I want? Or has in fact my life been hijacked

575
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Speaker 2: by a substance or a practice?

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Speaker 1: And what does it tell us? That exercise about the

577
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Speaker 1: power of what we tell ourselves? My finckory, we were

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Speaker 1: repeating our own heads.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's intention. You have to tell your brain. Your

580
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: brain is the most complicated, beautiful, elegant organ in the universe,

581
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: but like any computer, you have to tell it what

582
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Speaker 2: to do. And if you tell it, oh, I want

583
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: a kind, caring, loving, supportive relationship with my wife, Well,

584
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Speaker 2: then when you get that thought, that's rude. You just

585
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: don't say it because it doesn't help you get what

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Speaker 2: you want. I don't have any tattoos, and I actually

587
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: don't recommend them because there's new research coming out on

588
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: lymphomas and tattoos. But if I had, it would be

589
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: does it fit? Does my behavior today fit the goals

590
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: I have for my life? But you have to know

591
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Speaker 2: what you want. And Raymond, I find so many people,

592
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Speaker 2: like ninety five percent of my patients when I do

593
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: this exercise with them, they hadn't really thought about it.

594
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: They spent more time thinking about their vacation than what

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00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: they really want in their lives.

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Speaker 1: No, no, we plan, we plan our meals, and we

597
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: plan our vacations more than we plan our lives. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes you got to invert that in one of your books, doctor,

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Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm a perpetual hummer. I'm humming

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Speaker 1: all day long. When you know, when I walk out

601
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Speaker 1: the door in the morning, I'm humming or singing something.

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00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: You talk about the power of toning or humming. Share

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00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: that with people. That was kind of fascinating to me

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00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: how it can change your spirits and really rejuvenate you

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Speaker 1: in some ways.

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00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: Well in a number of really important ways. It actually

607
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: increases your breath and increases your lung capacity by doing

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00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: that on a regular basis. Also, the two are activating

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00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: your cerebellum and your temporal lobe. So the cerebellum is

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Speaker 2: the Rodney Dangerfield part of the brain. Now I hate

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00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: a lot of young people have no idea who Rodney

612
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 2: Dangerfield is, which just ages me. But he is a

613
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: very famous comedian, hilarious, I get no respect. So the

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00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: cerebellum is ten percent of the brain's volume, but fifty

615
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: percent of the brain's neurons, and it is like the

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00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: master controller in your brain, and humming activates it, which

617
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: just will then turn on the rest of your brain.

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00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: And during the pandemic, we released a supplement I love

619
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Speaker 2: called Happy Saffron, and my assistant took it and the

620
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Speaker 2: next day she's humming at work. We're working from my house,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, why are you humming? And she said,

622
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm just happy.

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Speaker 1: You see, it's a symptom. It's a good thing. Well,

624
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: music is you know, it's the it's the it makes

625
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: the soul buoyant, and I guess the mind as well.

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Speaker 1: You wrote a book recently called Raising Mentally Strong Kids,

627
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: and it seems to me the major key here is

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00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: building of those relationships, bonding with that child. What is

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Speaker 1: the thing that parents often miss doctor? What do they

630
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Speaker 1: miss out on? I get? I know one of the

631
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: big ones is just authority, making themselves the authority there,

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Speaker 1: but doing it with love.

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00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: It's the relationship that too often devices are getting in

634
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: the middle of relationships, and parents aren't spending the time

635
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: and they're not listening, and because of that, they often

636
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: feel guilty. So they overdo and they solve their children's problems.

637
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: And when you do that, you are building your self

638
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: esteem by stealing theirs, because self esteem actually comes from

639
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: feeling and acting in competent ways. I can deal with

640
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: this with this challenge. So when your child comes to

641
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: you and says I'm bored, rather than go well, you

642
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: could do this, or we could do that, or have

643
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: you thought about this, go oh, you're born. It's just

644
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 2: active listening, repeat back what you're hearing and then let

645
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: them fill it figure it out. Then go well, I

646
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: wonder what you're going to do about it, and you know,

647
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: and if you've been solving all of their problems up

648
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: till now, they might have a meltdown. It's like I

649
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know, and it's like you figure

650
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: it out.

651
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let them figure it out. I guess we're afraid, though,

652
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: of giving kids too much responsibility. And I see a

653
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: lot of parents they never want to let their kids fail.

654
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: And I guess the flip side is the drill sergeant parent.

655
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: You know you're not good at anything, you'll never amount

656
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: to anything. What's the balance there?

657
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: Furmin kind? Whenever you don't know what to do, go

658
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: to those two words. The best parents are firm when

659
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: they say something, they mean at and they expect it

660
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: to be complied with. But they're kind. I always say,

661
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: think of the best coach you ever had. The best

662
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: coaches notice what you do right, and they teach you

663
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: so you can be better. The worst coaches, the worst

664
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: parents notice what you do wrong and they never let

665
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: you forget it. And so bonding requires time, actual physical time.

666
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: There's an exercise in the book I Love. It's called

667
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: special time. Twenty minutes a day, do something with your child,

668
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: your child wants to do, and during that time, no commands,

669
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: no questions, no directions, It's just time to be together.

670
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: If you're like, my child will never talk to me,

671
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: it's probably because you're not spending enough time with them

672
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: and you're not listening and then active listening. Stop talking

673
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: over them, stop trying to cram you know, the thirty

674
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: or forty to fifty years of experience you have in

675
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: their heads, they're going to pick up just by living

676
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: with you. What you think and what you know. Your

677
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: job is to help them learn how to think, and

678
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: you do that through listening, asking thoughtful questions, and not

679
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: giving them the answer.

680
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: Doctor, add and ADHD is exploding in kids. Do you

681
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: believe in the medical approach of medication giving them medicines

682
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: to cope or is there another approach? Is there another

683
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: way that perhaps we're missing here.

684
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: So Ever, since I've been a psychiatrist, every year they

685
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: say ADDS exploding, and so it's been exploding for a

686
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: long time. In fact, it is increasing in the population

687
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: in part because kids aren't exercising. Kids aren't out in

688
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: the sunlight as much as they were before. Their devices

689
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: are draining, they're dopamine availability, and we're feeding them bad food.

690
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: So if you take all of those things, yeah I can't.

691
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: It's just a play for one of my grandkids. And

692
00:48:54,239 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: the number of overweight kids, it's shocking. If you're overweight,

693
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: you're not getting the exercise, You're getting a lot of

694
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: bad food that is going to cause your brain to

695
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: be more sluggish. Now, so first thing I do brain

696
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: healthy habits, exercise, and I like to put people on

697
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: an elimination diet for a month. Let's just get rid

698
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: of gluten, dairy corns, artificial dyes and sweeteners. Two studies

699
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: published in the Lancet kids who went on eighty d

700
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: kids who went on an elimination diet seventy two percent

701
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: lost their add And so let's start there. But yeah,

702
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. Omega three fatty acids can help zinc magnesium.

703
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: So then we'll go to a supplement regimen. And then

704
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work, I'm going to go to medicine.

705
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: Why because add is real and when left untreated, right

706
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: if it's not because of devices or a low quality diet,

707
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: left untreated kids don't finish high school. Thirty three percent

708
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: of untreated ADDY kids don't finish high school for incidence

709
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: of drug abuse, divorce, incarceration, and the medicine can change

710
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: their lives. And I write about it in my books

711
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: that several of my kids have add and the medicine

712
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: took them from being mediocre to straight A students. And

713
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: I just it's never about medicine or not, It's about

714
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: what's best for your brain.

715
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Somewhere in one of the books, or maybe a

716
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: mutual friend told me that you have collected, doctor Amon,

717
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: hundreds of penguins. Why do you collect penguins? They're in

718
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: your office, They're everywhere.

719
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of an obsession. When my oldest

720
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: who I adopted, was seven, he was really hard for me,

721
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: and I was talking to my supervisor. So I'm in

722
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 2: Hawaii at the time, talking to my child psychiatry supervisor,

723
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: and she said, oh, you should probably spend more alone

724
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: time with him, which was sort of the last thing

725
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to do because he was argumentative and oppositional.

726
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: And I took him to a place called Sea Life Park,

727
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: which is in Hawaii and it's like Marine World or SeaWorld,

728
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: and we went to the Killer Whale show and that

729
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: was great and the dolphin show, which was fun, and

730
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: the Sea Lion show, which was hysterical, And at the

731
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: end of the day grabs my shirt and he goes,

732
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: I want to see Fat Freddy, and I'm like, who's

733
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Fat Freddy? He said the penguin, Dad, don't you know anything,

734
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: which is sort of our relationship. And we went to

735
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: that is the last show of the day in this

736
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: beautiful stadium on Oahu, and this little fat Humboldt penguin

737
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: comes on the stage, climb the ladder to a high dive,

738
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: goes to the end of the board, balances on it,

739
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: and then jumps in the water and I'm like, holy smokes.

740
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: And then he gets out of the water bowls with

741
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: his nose, counts with this flipper, jumps through hoop a

742
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: fire and I'm like blown away with this little bird.

743
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the show, the trainer

744
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: asked Freddy to go get something, and Freddy went and

745
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: got it and he brought it right back, and in

746
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: my mind, like time stood still. I'm like, damn, I

747
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: asked this kid to get something for me and he

748
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: wants to have a discussion for like twenty minutes, and

749
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: I knew my son was smarter than the pain. And

750
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: so I went up to the trainer afterwards, because you know,

751
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: I'm a child psychiatry trainee, I don't know anything. I'm like,

752
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: how'd you get the penguin to do all these really

753
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: cool things? And she looked at my son, and then

754
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: she looked at me and said, unlike parents, whenever Freddy

755
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: does anything like what I want him to do, I

756
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: notice him. I give him a hug, and I give

757
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: him a fish. And the light went on in my

758
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: head that even though my son didn't like raw fish,

759
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: that whenever he did what I wanted him to do,

760
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't paying any attention to him because I was

761
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: like my dad. I was too busy, and I realized

762
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: I was teaching him to be bad as a way

763
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: to get my attention. So I collect penguins to remind

764
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: me to notice what I like about other people way

765
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: more than what I don't like, because ultimately, every day

766
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: you are shaping the people in your life by what

767
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: you notice.

768
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: That is fascinating, such that may be the most brilliant

769
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: and smart, insightful practical thing for me that I think

770
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: I've gotten out of today's conversation. Your constant refrain, doctor,

771
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: is we are not stuck with the brain we have.

772
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: We can do something practically to improve it, to reverse

773
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: the damage. What advice would you give people? What are

774
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: a few practical things they can do?

775
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: Every day? You are making your brain better or you're

776
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: making your brain worse by what you do with it.

777
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: And if you want a better memory tomorrow, go to

778
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: better half an hour early tonight. When you ego to

779
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: eat something, ask yourself, do I love this? And does

780
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: it love me back? Because you're in a relationship. I

781
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever been in a bad relationship,

782
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: but I have and I'm not doing it anymore. I

783
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 2: married my best friend and no, and I'm for certain

784
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: not doing it with food or that.

785
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: Well, doctor, I live in New Orleans. Everything I love

786
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: is probably not good for me. So I just stay

787
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: away from the restaurants. It's the only way I can survive.

788
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Because everything you want that big sloppy pole boy, you

789
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: want that extra gumbo, but it will kill you. You're

790
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: just to.

791
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: Stop like wanting that woman. You know that is just

792
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: going to break your heart. No, you want to look

793
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: at it and go, oh that's so nice, But I'm

794
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: not consuming that because ultimately, I'm going to die. And

795
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, you got to ask yourself what do you

796
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: really want? And I know what I want. I want energy,

797
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: I want memory, I want clarity, I want focus, I

798
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: want passion. I want to fulfill the mission I'm on

799
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 2: earth to do. That's what i want. In the moment.

800
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 2: You know, I might want that brownie with you know,

801
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: vanilla ice cream and chocolates.

802
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: So I'm tempting me, but.

803
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 2: Really what I want, right, that's the urge of the moment.

804
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 2: But if you are giving into the urges of the moment,

805
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: you're not going to live as long.

806
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, two quick famous diagnoses. If you will, I'm going

807
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: to tempt you now a little bit. First, I've been

808
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: watching the president for many years, covering him, and you know,

809
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: I've been near him enough to see how he operates. Now,

810
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: he violates some of the very things that you advocate.

811
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's drinking diet coke, he doesn't eat particularly well.

812
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: He only sleeps three hours a night, he told me

813
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: this two weeks ago. But he is very engaged. He's

814
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: got a break next schedule. Give me a sense of

815
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: the habits his brain habits, and how are they affecting

816
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: his brain, do you think so.

817
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: I don't think they're good for him, But yet I

818
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: want his brain so badly as anyone who was literally

819
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: one of the most famous people in the world and

820
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: beloved to then run for president, to be hated, to

821
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: be lied about, maligned, impeached, indicted, almost assassinated, and yet

822
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: to show up every day consistently working hard for us.

823
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a brain. I'm so interested. And because

824
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: you're right, he doesn't sleep. It's bad for your brain.

825
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: He eats lousy, although I hear with RFK on board

826
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: he's trying to do better, which.

827
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: Is great McDonald's.

828
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: But you know, one of the things I think that

829
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: helps him so much is when he was a kid,

830
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: he went to Norman Vincent Peel's church, and Norman Vincent

831
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: Peel preached a long time, and he showed up a

832
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: lot to that church about how you think and our

833
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: resilience and positive thinking was there at a formative age

834
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: for him, and he's just the most resilient person that.

835
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm amazed at his memory. Though, Doctor, you would think

836
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: somebody who's eating that way, drinking diet coke, for God's sake,

837
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: that they would have no recall This man can recall

838
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: things from five months ago down to the life detail.

839
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: He sees hundreds of people a day, and that it

840
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: blew my mind. I mean, this was just very recently

841
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: and he recalled not only where we were, but what

842
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: was said and his reaction to it. That's pretty astounding

843
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:16,959
Speaker 1: for a seventy eight year old.

844
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: It's incredible, and he's a very unique person for sure.

845
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Pope Francis for a minute. He's eighty

846
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: eight years old. He just battled double pneumonia and he's

847
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: on oxygen on and off. Now. He's mostly confined to

848
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: a wheelchair. He's been in that wheelchair for a number

849
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: of years now. Doctor largely isolated to his apartment for

850
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: at least two months after five weeks of hospitalization. What

851
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: do you see in that brain habit and what effect

852
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: do you think it had on his brain and his

853
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: having well?

854
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: I think it's clearly the stress the pneumonia, which then

855
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: goes with lower oxygen levels is clear bad for his brain.

856
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: That by itself will age his brain. And I don't know.

857
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we had the last pope retire before, right,

858
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: I Mean it's like they almost should have term limits

859
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: because you know, they're running a massive organization for God,

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Speaker 2: So and when he started, he was an amazing pope.

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Speaker 2: But now, I mean, it's hard to function when your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he survived. But the question is, you know,

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Speaker 1: and running what is the last monarchy on the planet,

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Speaker 1: supreme monarchy. Anyway, doctor, I want to move on to

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Speaker 1: something that that I've been meaning to ask you. What

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Speaker 2: Well, long COVID for sure. Well we see with COVID

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Speaker 2: flow and activity. Oh my god, airing COVID is very important.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Who would have thought that a vaccine could have

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Speaker 1: that kind of impact on your brain, not only in

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Doctor. What's the final word? What would you advise people?

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Speaker 1: Given the stressors that we invite into our own lives

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Speaker 1: with these devices, constant the world coming in on you

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Speaker 1: because of media, what would be your final word to

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Speaker 1: them to keep not only your brain healthy, but your

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Speaker 1: soul healthy. Well.

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Speaker 2: I love the idea that you're not stuck with the

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Speaker 2: prove it. And it starts my caring about your brain.

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Speaker 2: You know, very few people actually care about it. In

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one, when I started imaging, I didn't care

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Speaker 2: But when I saw it and it wasn't as healthy

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Speaker 2: have to make this better. Because your brain is involved

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Speaker 2: in everything you do, how you think, how you feel,

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Speaker 2: how you act it and get along with other people.

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Speaker 2: So it starts with caring. And then every day you

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Speaker 2: just ask yourself, is good for my brain or bad

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Speaker 2: for it? And if you can answer that with information

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Speaker 2: and love of love of yourself, love of your mission,

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Speaker 2: love of the reason God puts you on earth. You

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Speaker 2: just start treating it better and then you reap the

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Speaker 2: benefits of that.

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Speaker 1: Well, doctor Amen, I'm so thankful for the way you've

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Speaker 1: refocused us on not only our brain health. It's really

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Speaker 1: about our lives and living a full life with purpose,

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Speaker 1: with clarity, and to be as vibrant as you can

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Speaker 1: in it at every stage. I thank you for that

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Speaker 1: and hope to see you in person soon, doctor Daniel Amen.

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Speaker 1: And the aim and clinics you've got how many now

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Speaker 1: twelve twelve clinics.

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Speaker 2: Have eleven clinics from New York to Seattle, Los Angeles, Dallas, Atlanta, Florida. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it all, but you

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Speaker 1: do it, and you do it in good spirits and

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Speaker 1: so well. Thank you, doctor Daniel Aman. We'll check in

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Speaker 1: with you in the days ahead.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Raymond, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the hole. You have the power to protect

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Speaker 1: your brain and renew it. You heard what doctor Amon said, Diet, exercise,

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Speaker 1: your mental state, the story you tell yourself. All of

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Speaker 1: that can renew your mind and perhaps your world. Our

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Speaker 1: special thanks to doctor Amen, and I hope you'll come

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Speaker 1: back soon. To Royo Grande. Why live a dry, narrow,

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Speaker 1: constricted life when if you fill it with good things

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Speaker 1: that can flow into a broad, thriving Arroyo Grande. I'm

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Speaker 1: Raymond Arroyo. Make sure you subscribe like this episode, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for diving in, and we'll see you next time.

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