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Speaker 1: Today we're joined by Chris Busignano from Giants Insider. They

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Speaker 1: Season on your favorite podcast platforms. Chris, how's it going, man,

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you. Good to see you game.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen a few months and uh since the

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Speaker 1: season ended, but uh yeah, I appreciate it. Man. How

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Speaker 1: you doing. I'm doing great. Well, that's gonna change soon

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Speaker 1: in about a month. I guess right, God is middle Marchree.

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Speaker 1: We'll probably have that pre draft pre draft press conference. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll play the game. Will Joe Shane say a name

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Speaker 1: of a prospect for the thirty minutes that it talks

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Speaker 1: to us? Which is always a fun game to play.

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Speaker 1: I want to focus on free agency here with you, Chris,

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Speaker 1: and we're recording this on Thursday morning. And I specify

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Speaker 1: So I guess I'll start there. What do you think

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Speaker 1: the next move is going to be for the Giants

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Speaker 1: to become not just capped compliant, but clear enough room

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Speaker 1: or two from the outside when free agency hits next week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to see what happens with Bradberry, Right, that's the big one. James.

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Speaker 1: You know, will they trade him John? Will they restructure?

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to you know. And but Bradberry is

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Speaker 1: the big elephant on what happens with James. Do you

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Speaker 1: Or is he gonna play at that cap? No? I

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Speaker 1: Bradbury then, because this this is a bit of a

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Speaker 1: So there's a few teams out there they're going for it.

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Speaker 1: mean every team in the league needs him. Some teams, obviously,

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Speaker 1: stay healthy. You know, we talked about the evaluation of

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. We're there, we might as well hit it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how well he plays Chris to me, is

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Speaker 1: almost soub important to how many games he plays. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if he goes out there and plays well but only

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Speaker 1: plays ten games because of a couple of injuries, I mean,

427
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Speaker 1: what do you do with that? If a quarterback is

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Speaker 1: only gonna play ten to thirteen games a year, can

429
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Speaker 1: you commit to them, especially to the money you're going

430
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Speaker 1: to have to commit to him. I mean, I feel bad.

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Speaker 1: You know, Daniel works his butt off. He doesn't want

432
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Speaker 1: to miss games. He tries, but you know, availability is

433
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Speaker 1: the game here. Yeah, no enough unfortunately for him, John,

434
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Speaker 1: if he gets injured again and she especially running, you

435
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, especially whatever it might be. You know,

436
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Speaker 1: if he gets injured again, John, I believe they will

437
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Speaker 1: move on because he just can't have a franchise guy

438
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Speaker 1: that's playing ten, twelve, you know, thirteen. You know you

439
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,199
Speaker 1: need him out there, brother, you need him out there.

440
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Speaker 1: So obviously it's a big year for him. You know,

441
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Speaker 1: watch on. It kind of leads me into something like

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Speaker 1: I'd like to get you. Yeah, you know you're gonna

443
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Speaker 1: do you have the thoughts? You know, backup quarterback? You

444
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Speaker 1: know we're going into free agency starting Monday. List we

445
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Speaker 1: all know it's Monday, even though it's officially Wednesday, but

446
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 1: it's Monday, free agency. Um, backup quarterback position. You know

447
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: this has been thrown around. Of course I will see,

448
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, Mitchell true Bisky's name has been thrown around,

449
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: But we'll see what happens. Of course, every ex Bill

450
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: and every ex Raven now that hits the market right away,

451
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Speaker 1: he's going to the giants chee. Yeah, Fliciana was called

452
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Speaker 1: hes gonna be a giant. Tavin Young, Tavid Young was called, Oh,

453
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a Martindale guy. You know, So we

454
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Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen with that. But John, curious

455
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Speaker 1: on your take backup quarterback position needed. You know, obviously

456
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Speaker 1: Davi's Webb is not gonna be Pedicilan to be Daniel's backup.

457
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a veteran broad in here, I'm sure,

458
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Speaker 1: especially after what the disaster that had happened last year

459
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Speaker 1: with glennon. What's your take? John Today bringing the Veteran

460
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Speaker 1: Guide Monday next Freeking treating my personal opinion, I'm in

461
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Speaker 1: and I'm in the minority here because Patino, Meadow, Feagles,

462
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Speaker 1: they are all totally on board for getting a really

463
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Speaker 1: good backup quarterback, and it's super important you have to

464
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Speaker 1: do it. For me, I think the value of a

465
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Speaker 1: good backup quarterback comes with teams that are on the

466
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Speaker 1: verge or already competing right where they're in. They're going

467
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Speaker 1: for a super Bowl. So if Patrick Maholmes has to

468
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Speaker 1: you know, gets rolled up on and he has to

469
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Speaker 1: miss a month with a you know, spring m cl

470
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Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, you can stay afloat and go too.

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Speaker 1: And two right, if the Giants lose Daniel Jones for

472
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Speaker 1: a month and a half, you know, Odzar, that's you know,

473
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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be hard to stay afloat because the

474
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Speaker 1: roster around the quarterback is not as strong as maybe

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Speaker 1: some of these other teams because of where the Giants

476
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Speaker 1: are on the roster building process. Right. So for me,

477
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Speaker 1: I think the value of a really good backup comes

478
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Speaker 1: when you're a better team, and I would rather use

479
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Speaker 1: the resources because if you're gonna get like the really

480
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Speaker 1: good backup quarterback, like I'm talking real legit compete for

481
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Speaker 1: a starting spot, you're looking at probably eight to ten

482
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Speaker 1: million dollar investment, right, seven to ten million dollar investment,

483
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Speaker 1: given where the Giants are, that's a huge investment. I

484
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Speaker 1: would rather use that money to build in front of

485
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Speaker 1: Daniel to give him the best chance to succeed. Then

486
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Speaker 1: having a backup plan, which in the end, it's just

487
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Speaker 1: gonna be a backup plan, right, whoever you bring in

488
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Speaker 1: to compete if Daniel loses out to this guy for example,

489
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Speaker 1: in camp, if there's a competition or Daniel gets hurt,

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Speaker 1: they don't bring him back. Whoever this backup quarterback is,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote veteran or not young veteran, whoever you decide

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Speaker 1: to bring in. It's not like they're the future, right,

493
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Speaker 1: So while you're trying to compete this year, I have

494
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Speaker 1: a larger eye on two or three years down the

495
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Speaker 1: road than they have on this year. So I don't

496
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Speaker 1: personally prioritize that as much as others. I totally understand

497
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Speaker 1: the argument. I understand the idea of, you know, if

498
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Speaker 1: Daniel goes down, you don't want to have what you

499
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Speaker 1: had the last six games last year, which is some

500
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Speaker 1: of the toughest football that any of us have that

501
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Speaker 1: had to watch on our whole lives. It was rough.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I don't want to have to watch

503
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Speaker 1: that either. But the question is those resources better used

504
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Speaker 1: for a guy that's only gonna play with Daniel's hurt,

505
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Speaker 1: or if he competes with Daniel and beats him out.

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Speaker 1: If they go that direction, right, which I don't know

507
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Speaker 1: if they're going to, he's not going to be your

508
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Speaker 1: future quarterback anyway. I would rather use those resources on

509
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Speaker 1: a good offensive lineman to help Daniel. Then on a

510
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Speaker 1: plan b that's not gonna be your future. You know

511
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, So what you basically say

512
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Speaker 1: is that don't bring it True Whiskey. Yeah, because that

513
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Speaker 1: guy actually is gonna compete. That's what you're saying. You

514
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Speaker 1: don't want to give that seven eight million dollar range

515
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Speaker 1: because that's what True Whisky might be getting, right. I

516
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Speaker 1: just think that that money could be better utilized elsewhere. Look,

517
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Speaker 1: if they do it, I get it. I understand the argument.

518
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Speaker 1: It's a sound argument. But that's why I look at

519
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Speaker 1: I would rather put that money and into a different

520
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Speaker 1: into a different thing. But again, to your point, I

521
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Speaker 1: think Joe Shame and the coaches it's hides are always

522
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: interested in this year, right, They're probably more in the

523
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Speaker 1: help us win this year category than I am, just

524
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Speaker 1: from a philosophical standpoint. So from that standpoint, I understand

525
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Speaker 1: wanting to have that quarterback here to a compete with Daniel.

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Speaker 1: You want to go that route and be able to

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Speaker 1: play and play well if Daniel Jones gets hurt. I

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Speaker 1: get that. So a question for you, John, if look,

529
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, John, I agree with you. I

530
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Speaker 1: don't think there's no way you bring in a backup

531
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Speaker 1: seven eight million dollar range? No, no way. Now do

532
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Speaker 1: you feel, oh, like, say Joe does bring in a Tropisky,

533
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Speaker 1: do you feel that's a competition type move? Well, okay,

534
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Speaker 1: you know what, Daniel is the number one guy going

535
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Speaker 1: into camp, but he's gonna compete a little bit with

536
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Speaker 1: Trapinsky and let the best man win. Do you feel

537
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Speaker 1: if that move is made, which you know Tropisky is

538
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: gonna be money, Like you said, do you feel that's

539
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Speaker 1: the type of competition type move? If they do bring

540
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Speaker 1: in a guy like Mitchell, given his history with Dable

541
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Speaker 1: and giving how much you'd have to pay him, I

542
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Speaker 1: think it has to be a competition, doesn't it. I

543
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: mean I think it has to be. Now, whether they

544
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Speaker 1: go that route, I don't know. Who knows. Mitchell Drabisky

545
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: could get like twelve million dollars from the Seahawks for

546
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Speaker 1: all we know, Like we we don't know what's gonna

547
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Speaker 1: happen with that. He's gonna compete, he's gonna be he

548
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: feels he's still started, correct, That's the thing. I don't

549
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: think he would come to the Giants if they told

550
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Speaker 1: him you're just going to be a backup, because there's

551
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: enough open jobs now. Chris you know, three or four

552
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: years ago, the league was inundated with quarterbacks, right, there

553
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: were more quarterbacks that could play. But now with all

554
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: the retirements from Brady to Breeze to Roethlisberger elive, now,

555
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there were more open spots. So

556
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Speaker 1: I think guys like Mariota, guys like Rabitsky, they're gonna

557
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: be looking for opportunities to start. So if guys of

558
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: that level come to the Giants, I feel like they

559
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: would have been told ahead of time that you're gonna

560
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Speaker 1: have a chance to compete here. Right, So that's kind

561
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Speaker 1: of how I think it's at it for both sides,

562
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Speaker 1: not just the team making the decision. It's the player

563
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Speaker 1: making the decision too. So why would the player come

564
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Speaker 1: here if he's not told he has a chance to

565
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: compete at the starting job? John, you hit it right

566
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Speaker 1: at the head, and I alleg you inside because I

567
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: was trying to get your feeling, and you're the first

568
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: guy that've had a conversation with that actually said, hey,

569
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, what makes you think Traubinsky is gonna

570
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Speaker 1: want to come here when he's looking to compete maybe

571
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Speaker 1: at for as starting spot. And dude, you hit it

572
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Speaker 1: right on the head, like I know, I know people

573
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Speaker 1: are getting crazy because he was a bill that they

574
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Speaker 1: automatically assume he's gonna come here with Shane Davil. But hey,

575
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: there's three or four spots here Trubisky could be looking at.

576
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Speaker 1: I know for a fact he still feels he's a

577
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: starter in this league, okay, and it could be three

578
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: or four teens. When he said, he comes over there

579
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Speaker 1: and says, hey, you know what, I could compete here

580
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: and be a starter in September night. Whatever the hell

581
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Speaker 1: open to day is. You know what I mean? Carolina, Washington,

582
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Speaker 1: Carolina anymore are Seattle? I mean, there are a bunch

583
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: of teams that are just looking for quarterbacks right now.

584
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean the Saints, right the Saints are a good spot.

585
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Speaker 1: You don't think people are wanting up to go play

586
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Speaker 1: quarterback for the Saints of Parce they are, so of

587
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: course it's crazy, especially with Michael Thomas coming back. You

588
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: can you know, so, John, That's that's that's the point

589
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: I was gonna lead into when you actually open the

590
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: door for me, and right he was like, hey, don't

591
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: be don't be so sick. Everybody. It's like, hey, tr

592
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: Whisky might be like, I don't want you know, I

593
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: don't I'm not going to New York, you know what

594
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna compete here. Jones is there guy

595
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: and all that, and and like you said, what are

596
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: they gonna tell your bisky were you're competing for the

597
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: started spot? Probably not that're not gonna they're just don't

598
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: he's the backup right now that whatever happens happened, so John,

599
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: they get back to the quarterback though, So we're not

600
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Speaker 1: gonna go in at seven eight million dollar range all that.

601
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: But there's a few guys that veterans that obviously, if

602
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: Daniel gets hurt, you don't want that high school type

603
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: offense that we soul last. You gotta you need a

604
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: guy to come in and run a professional offense. And

605
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: who you looking at because they're still gonna have to

606
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: bring in somebody John for that backup or or do

607
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: you feel they draft a kid in the middle rounds? Right?

608
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: What do you what's you're feeling on it? As far look,

609
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: there is Trevis Simmons is I'll old friend Cuoison. There's

610
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: a few guys out there in the veterans that I

611
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: could be competing for a starting spot. What do you

612
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: feel where do you feel they go with this? I

613
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: think you get more into that category, to be honest

614
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: with you, And and frankly, Chris, I don't think Daniels

615
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: a guy that like needs to be pushed. Like He's

616
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: not a guy that's comfortable, you know what I mean?

617
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: Like I I just don't see that. He's a guy

618
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: that I think is self motivating. I don't think he

619
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: needs a push. That's not the type of guy that

620
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: he is. So and I think the other thing too,

621
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: And I think this goes back to the Barkley conversation too.

622
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: I think in some ways fans need to let go

623
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: of their priors a little bit, right. You know, there's

624
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: a group of fans that never like the sake Quan pick,

625
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: they never liked the Daniel pick, and they kind of

626
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: let that shade their vision. And I get that. I

627
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: under I understand why you didn't like those picks. And

628
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: I totally get the argument. I understand, but you have

629
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: to look at where the team is now and what's

630
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: best for the organization as to where they said that

631
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: die has been cast. All right, that's done. We can't

632
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: go on the time machine and change what happened three

633
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: and four years ago. But you have to figure out

634
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: what's best for the organization now. And that's how you

635
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: have to, you know, make these decisions. Because they're here.

636
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: You had to figure out what's the best thing to

637
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: do with them now. It doesn't change your race what

638
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: the original decision was with a different front office staff

639
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: three or four years ago. And John, I agree with

640
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: a dent as far as no, Daniel is not a

641
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: guy that needs to be pushed. You're like you said,

642
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: he's not a guy you have to bring it here,

643
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: a guy you know, make sure you know he pushes

644
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: him to copy. No Daniels not, No, absolutely not. You

645
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: just want a guy in here, John, that could run

646
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: an offense, Okay, that could run an offense competent. Look, look, look,

647
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be honest with you, John. When he

648
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: signed Glennon last year, you know, Glennon had some stuff

649
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: in his resume and all that. Do we expect him

650
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: to be that atrocious? Dude? No, we didn't. Come on.

651
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: Stop Now, I don't know. I think I expected Glennon

652
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: to be better, right, I thank you, John. When when

653
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: I signed Mike Glennon, I said, Okay, here's a guy

654
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: he was won some games in this league. You know,

655
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: he knows how to run an offense and all at okay,

656
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: but then you know when he got in there, it

657
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: was so bad. Like I think everybody was shocked, like

658
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: holy crap, you know, like you know, Chris, it's the thing,

659
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: the funny thing. And in Pro Football Focus. I talked

660
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: to Sam Monson over at at the combine and I've

661
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: talked to them before about this, and I think they

662
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: make a really good point. How bad the team looked

663
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: under Glennan and from actually makes you feel better about

664
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, right, but easy to see exactly, Yeah, how

665
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: bad the situation was around the quarterback. In fact that

666
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: Daniel was able to do what he did. Now again

667
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's like a top five quarterback or

668
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback whatever, but the fact that he was

669
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: able to at least make the team and give them

670
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: a chance to win given what it looked like on

671
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: their Mike Glennon, who again, like you said, it's been

672
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: a competent backup over the course of his career, tells

673
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: you something about Jones. And I can tell you this,

674
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: John Um. When Jones went down Freddie Kitchens told somebody,

675
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, somebody I noted that passed aloon to me,

676
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: it was that. Freddie Kitchen says, you know, look, Daniel,

677
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: he camouflaged a lot of stuff that we had going

678
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: on in his offense that wasn't good, and he made

679
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: up what so I know people don't want to hit it. Oh,

680
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: Daniel gotta rides that. You know, the anti Daniel sentiment

681
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: out there too, you know. But look, you so happened

682
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: when Daniel went down. Man, it was a Cata catastrophe.

683
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: So so we'll look at John just as quickly. Well,

684
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: just to me, you bringing a guy, you know, there's

685
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: a couple of guys out there that obviously I'm not

686
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna compete that maybe could run an offense. I think

687
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna go that route, John, just to bring in

688
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: a veteran that's gonna be one, you know, the two

689
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: million dollar age one and a half billions or whatever

690
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: it might be. They're not gonna go in at your

691
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: bisky when he's gonna get more money that Andy Dalton's

692
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Don't see that happening, John, But

693
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: I do see a veteran coming back, and here coming

694
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: in here and just to be somebody could run a

695
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: damn NFL offense, John if Daniel goes down. I agree,

696
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's let's let's go to the elephant

697
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: in the room. I can't believe they really talked about

698
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: this yet. What the hell are they gonna do to

699
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: fill four starting spots on their offensive line next year? Go? Yeah,

700
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: well all right, so let's look, you know a lot.

701
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: You led me into it, ready because I was gonna

702
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: see Johnny Butter talking about this line because people are

703
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: what are you guys? We've been we haven't mentioned the

704
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: offensive life yet, right, so john next week's for agency.

705
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: Obviously they don't have the money for the big time.

706
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: So I I look at as the second dird wave guys, okay,

707
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: the three the second wave even you know, maybe down,

708
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: but did a second wave guys, the three to four

709
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: million a year guy type guys. All right, that's what

710
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. No question. Well I shouldn't say no question.

711
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's the first go around with Joe Shane.

712
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: But I feel he brings in one of those guys. Okay,

713
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: put him in that good spot where it is I

714
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: think one or two? Right, I mean, could be too.

715
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Okay um, because right now John and Shane wasn't kidding.

716
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Lest speaking, the comedy says, I really only have like

717
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: five healthy bodies, and he wasn't kidding. He wasn't kidding.

718
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: Right now, John, as we are talking on March, what

719
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: is it today, ninth, there's one start in its pencil

720
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: than one, and that's Andrew Thomas. Other than that, they

721
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: don't know really what they have yet. Okay, so on

722
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go out and you're gonna get

723
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: that second wave type guy. Look, we'll see what happens

724
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: with Luciano. I know, right everybody got a ticket and

725
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: blue already because he was a bill and all that.

726
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: But we don't know what she's thinking. We don't even

727
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: know when they signed him a couple of years ago. John,

728
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: We don't know if she didn't liked him that much.

729
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: Was it was Brandon Bean show. So we'll find out

730
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: real soon how much Joe Shane liked him back in Buffalo. Okay, Um,

731
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: So you look at the second wave type guys one

732
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: or two I great obviously John. In the draft, either

733
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, either one of the big boys drops back

734
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: to five they draft him, or like Shane says, you

735
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: don't need a bunch of number ones. They building offensive line.

736
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna see that in the second round, third round

737
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: draft picks and all that. So they're gonna have to

738
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: address that. John, that's the that's the big time elephant

739
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: in the room. What are you gonna do with the

740
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: offensive line because right now, man, there's only Andrew Thomas,

741
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: and after that, we don't know what's gonna happen with

742
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: Shane Lem. You we don't know if he's gonna be

743
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: gonna play. Well, we don't know much about Shane Lem,

744
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: but we know we saw him, Don't get me wrong, John,

745
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: we saw h a couple of years ago. Then he

746
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: gets in Jolas ship. But we don't know what they

747
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: have in shaneleb. You don't you know, we don't know

748
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: if he's a quality started his leak, so Nick Gates,

749
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: he's coming off a serious injury. John, you don't know

750
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be ready next year. You have no

751
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: idea yet, you know, and then you're gonna have to

752
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: fill in those So as I expect the second at

753
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: least one, John, you think it maybe to look it

754
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: could be too those second wave type guys brought in here,

755
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: and obviously the draft is going to address well. Of course.

756
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time to think that you're

757
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna start three rookies on the offensive line, Like, I mean,

758
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: can you imagine that? And look, even if they're good rookies, rookies,

759
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: take a while. Look at Andrew Thomas's rookie year. He

760
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: don't have to be a really good player, but his

761
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: rookie year was not great. The first frankly eight games

762
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: of rookie season kind of a cluckster. I mean, they

763
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: did not go well, which is fine, that's he's a rookie.

764
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: It happens, you know, Jake Matthews to go to his

765
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: rookie year in Atlanta that wasn't really good either. Penny

766
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: Sewell's first half his rookie year wasn't great. So it

767
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: takes time for some of these guys to get going.

768
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: So that's why I think it might be too right

769
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: you have Thomas. I think the right tackle, depending on

770
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: how that first round goes, is a good chance to

771
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: write tackles a rookie, just because tackles are so expensive

772
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: in free agency. I think a mid level tackle is

773
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: probably more than that five to seven eight so I

774
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: think I think you're looking at a tackle, and free agency,

775
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: you're looking at a guard in the middle rounds. And

776
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: then I mean it's a tackle in the draft to

777
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: guard in the middle rounds, and you have two veterans

778
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: come in, and you know, maybe they like Shane Lemieu.

779
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: We don't know what this front, obviously, we don't know. Yeah, yeah,

780
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: I have no idea. So maybe he's a guy that

781
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: can kind of slide in there too, or Billy Price,

782
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: if they like him, they bring him back. I don't

783
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: know what they think about him, you know whatever. But

784
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna have to be a multifaceted approach.

785
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: But you can't just throw a bunch of rookies in there,

786
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: because to our point, before you want to find things

787
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: out about Daniel Jones, Right, he's a bunch of rookies

788
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: in front of them that don't know what the hell

789
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: they're doing in the first five six games of the season.

790
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: That's gonna destroy things before they even have a chance

791
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: to get started. Yeah, John looked. Very few teams have

792
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: as much luck as the Chief's delayship when they when

793
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: they brought in Creede Humphrey and they brought in Tray Smith.

794
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: That right, God, those guys look like veterans from the

795
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: get go. But that doesn't happen, Like you said, that's

796
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: a remedy with you know, so you don't want you

797
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: could have those two rookies like you could have, like

798
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: if one of those big boys drops back, you know,

799
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: and that giants grabbing, you know, one of them, I tackle,

800
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: and then you go a middle round for the god

801
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: thing and then you got the veteran. You know, you

802
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: the two rookies on the line. Okay, John, I'll give

803
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: you that, But like you said, dude, you're playing with fire. Look, look,

804
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be rough with the two rookies. I can't

805
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: do more than that. You can't write now if you

806
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: throw in three. Look, you're talking about taking eight to

807
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: ten games that get familiarized on another and all that communication.

808
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: You just you don't want to do that, John, you

809
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. You want that veteran, you know,

810
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: so I expect that second wave guy in here, maybe

811
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: even two second wave guys hopefully. John. Now with the Jaguars,

812
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, you look at them franchise and camerabs and

813
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: you're hoping that kind of doesn't guarantee it. But you're

814
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: hoping that pushes people, you know, kneel back in Ikuana

815
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: back and all that stuff, and the Giants land One

816
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: and him. I would have been on that, Chris, No,

817
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: Look to me. Look I've been seing on you know,

818
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: I've been saying that, John, the Jets of a damn

819
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: wild card here. Uh so with the Texans, I mean

820
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: the Texans too, like that. I was talking to a

821
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: guy that that covers Houston down there, and he thinks

822
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: they might trade Larmie Tunsil, right, but then did they

823
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: do that then obviously well if they do that, the

824
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: obviously we know what they're going in the draft, you know,

825
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: so um, it's we just don't know. He's just hoping that,

826
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, one of those two guys you know, drops

827
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: back to five and there's one of your pieces there,

828
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: and then you know, you got your second wave guy

829
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: you vetter than that, and then you draft to the

830
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: guy like you said, we don't know what they're thinking

831
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: with Lemule. You know, we don't know what we have

832
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: with let me, let's face it, John, we don't know

833
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: what we have Leo. You know, and Nick Gates is

834
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: a guy we all like I think it's safe to

835
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: assume you like him too. But look, we don't know

836
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with Nick. He could be out next year.

837
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: Look took it took Richie Cybert, who had not an

838
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: identical injury, but a similar deal, you know, fifteen years ago. Now,

839
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: whatever it was, he was out of foot, like, it

840
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: wasn't just the year he got hurt. It was the

841
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: next season after that, and then he came back. So

842
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm making. It's something you can't put

843
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: a timetable on you. Just look, I'll just be happy

844
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: for Nick if he comes back, period, right, John, I'll

845
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: but I'm not pencilman for next year. I mean that's

846
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: gonna be. I mean, I guess it could happen. I'm

847
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, discount it. But I'm not looking

848
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: at and say, Okay, we'll good with Gates, you know

849
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: what I mean? Now absolutely not. So like you said, John,

850
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to look the two rookies is enough. Um,

851
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: I think that's what you will find wind up seeing

852
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: John with that second wave signing, uh, and then Andrew

853
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: and all that. So, um, that's where I believe Shane

854
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: is gonna be uh, you know obviously, look Shane, Look,

855
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: Shane has made it known that, hey, we need help

856
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: on this offensive line. Unlike last year, you know where

857
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: we would you know, they went into the season like, oh, no,

858
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: offensive line is good, but they didn't address it in

859
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: his raft and all that. It turned out to be

860
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: a mistake, right, So this year Shane is saying it,

861
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: we have to address this offensive line day will John

862
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: Um just a matter who rookies wise, who gets you know,

863
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: who's the starting five, starting four? Besides it alongside Andrew

864
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: next year. Two other questions for you, Chris, I think

865
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: tight ends one of the undercovered and reported positions here. Look,

866
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: the Giants I now have pretty much zero guys in

867
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: their tight end room because we don't know Kadan Smith

868
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: is healthy. Like it's like literally zero. That's that's a problem.

869
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine they're just gonna draft somebody and

870
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: hand them the job, especially if that draft pick is

871
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: a third or fourth round pick. So they're gonna have

872
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: to find some type of low cost veteran for Agency two.

873
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: And I gotta imagine. And besides the offensive line, and

874
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: again we'll see what happens at cornerback. You know that's

875
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: gotta be one of their top two priorities here to

876
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: find a veteran tight end that you can bring in

877
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: and just trust to be a professional. Absolutely, John, I

878
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: mean it was funny. It was recording to podcast That's

879
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Not with the Giant Side, and that was one of

880
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: the hot topics, like, hey, they go to draft one,

881
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: they go to draft a tight end. I don't do

882
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: this any question about that. We're gonna have no problem,

883
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: no problem that you're gonna have to bring in a

884
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: veteran okay for a tight end. And because if you

885
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: know you think the Chris my X signing is and

886
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: come on stop now, I mean, come on right now.

887
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: In my opinion, they have no tight ends on the

888
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: roster because Kane Smith's knees. It's not it's not. It's

889
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: a problem, John, I know, I know, you know somebody

890
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: told me it's a problem. We don't know what's gonna

891
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: happen with Kate. You know, his knees an issue that

892
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: guy played last year. He was hurt that and he

893
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: was hurting him and he was on injury port every week.

894
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: And if I played every week, that showed you hit tough.

895
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: This But I love I hope. Well, so why I

896
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: hope he I hope he gets healthy. I'm kind of

897
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: hearing that. You know, he's gonna have some issues with that,

898
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and we don't know where it's gonna go with the Nate. Okay,

899
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: So Chris Maya, I don't even I know if he

900
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 1: signed it, but there's no Titans on his moster right now. Okay,

901
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: note in my opinion because I'm not including Caden because

902
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: of his injury. Okay, So hey, that's a position that

903
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: Joe Shane is gonna have to dress next week. John,

904
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question. You know, one of

905
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: those second wave tight ends. Obviously, you know a couple

906
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: of them already after you know they already been franchised.

907
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: But you there's some vettermans out there that can help

908
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: this team. John, There's no question about it, you know.

909
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be one, and I don't think John,

910
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: while we're talking, were you think to me they definitely

911
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: drafted a Titan. I don't think there's any question. Yeah,

912
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: I think their second third round pick in their fourth

913
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: round pick. I think that's kind of the sweet sweet

914
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: spot for a Titan, Right, do you think they would

915
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: use a second round pick on a tight end. I

916
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: don't think there's a tight end good enough to pick

917
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: at the top of the second round. I'm looking three, four,

918
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: and five. That's what I'm looking at. And I even

919
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: think at the top of the third round might be

920
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of a push. To be honest with you,

921
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you want to go there. I think

922
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't love the top of the tight

923
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: end class curse, but I think it's pretty deep. So

924
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: I think you can find like a solid guy that

925
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, catch for your block a little bit, you know,

926
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: one of those guys that you slot in next to

927
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: better players Dawson Knox type, maybe someone not quite as

928
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: athletic as he has given what his testing was when

929
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: he came out. But I think that's what you're looking for.

930
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they don't have to go find

931
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: a Travis Kelsey. I think if they can find a

932
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: player that complements a big time weapon of running back

933
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: in some good weapons and wide receiver, I think they'll

934
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: be fine, right right. I agree with you, man. You

935
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: know you look at this tight end cliss, like you said,

936
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: there's no guy that jumps out on you. You know,

937
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: there's nobody that's saying, Okay, he's gonna be a second

938
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: round for sure, or maybe even high first round. You know,

939
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: but when you get into those rounds three and four,

940
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: you know you could get yourself a nice little tight

941
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: end in this draft. You know you can get yourself

942
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: a nice little tight end. And the Giants need to

943
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: address that, man, And that that's you know, everybody, like

944
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: you said, John, everybody, everybody focuses on offensive line. Offensive line,

945
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: but holy crap, man, this tight end position has to

946
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: be addressed, right John, and has to be addressed, man.

947
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: Use right now. There's nobody nobody at Evan Engram. I

948
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen. I noticed by the way.

949
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: I love Evan. I would love for him to be back.

950
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: I just don't think it works financially, and you know

951
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: how the fan base is kind of all over him

952
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: all the time. I just don't think it works. I

953
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: would love to have Evan bad. I think he's a

954
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: really good player. But yeah, I'm with you, I just

955
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen. John. This two guys you

956
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: know that I feel are gonna I Look, we we

957
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: both know Evan, we both I love Evan great guy.

958
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: I love Evan, and I felt he wasn't used right

959
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: a lot in the past system. So I'm not gonna

960
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: get on Jason Garrett. I'm not gonna which, by the way,

961
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: it goes back to the offensive line being bad is

962
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to run scene routes when you're chipping every

963
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: play right. So I feel Evan will do much better another.

964
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: I think he needs a fresh shot, John, Like you said,

965
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: the fan base is just you know, obviously he's not

966
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: a fan favorite and he needs to go to another

967
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: organization for a fresh stought. And I think he'll do

968
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: really well and and a system that really fits him. John,

969
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: I really do another guy, John, I'll tell you what man,

970
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: I want to see. I want to get you a

971
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: feeling on this guy, Lorenzo Carter. I hope they can

972
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: bring him back Chris, because I think he actually fix

973
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: with fits Wink system, and I think he's got a

974
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: lot left to give. I hope they can get him

975
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: back on on on a low salary. I do, John.

976
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: I agree with your brother. You know, you look at

977
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: Wink Bondelle and you went in his system. He loves

978
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: those outside guys that could rush drop back into coverage.

979
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: He he fits like into his system. Oh beautifully, right, John, beautifully.

980
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: And look, Lorenzo Carta the last five games was the

981
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: probably the best defensive player on the field for the Giants,

982
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: close to it for sure, If not, he was close

983
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, h I look on Unfortunately for us, John,

984
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: I feel what he put on tape is probably gonna

985
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: outprice the Giants and it's gonna be a two or

986
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: three teams and and they're gonna give him a pretty

987
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: good number, John, And it's gonna obviously right now, it's

988
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable, John, because you know, he really played well

989
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: for him at the end of the last year. And

990
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I feel that would really really

991
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: excel in this system. Man. So we'll see what happens

992
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: to him. I love to see him back, John, I

993
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: would love to see him back, But you know, the

994
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: numbers are gonna probably I'm not gonna work out for

995
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: the Giants. Yeah, I agree, And look and and they

996
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: need help on the edge too, so it's not like

997
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: that's not a position need for him to John. Hey, hey, John,

998
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, bro, is TiVo Is Tivoda your

999
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: number one edge guy? But here here's like, okay, good,

1000
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: a little a little hesitation. It's no, it's a really

1001
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: And that was gonna be my last question for you too,

1002
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: but I'll go first. When I watched all the edge players,

1003
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: and I watched probably ten of them before I went

1004
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: to the rafts, how I did it before I went

1005
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: to the combine. How I did it because I don't

1006
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: have time to do full rite ups on these guys.

1007
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of get a fuel for

1008
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: everybody before I showed up an inn date. So I

1009
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: watched all their good plays, right, I watched every one

1010
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: of their sacks, quarterback hits and pressures. And that's how

1011
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: I did it. And when I did that, I'm sitting there,

1012
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, how is Kavan tibid On not the first

1013
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: player picked in this draft? Because you look at all

1014
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: those great plays, their high level rush moves, it's length,

1015
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: it's bull rush, he gets around the edge, he spins,

1016
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: he has a little bit everything. It's really impressive. But

1017
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: then when I start talking to people about him, they're like, yeah,

1018
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: well we're not surprised that's what you thought when you

1019
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: watched all those good plays. Because if you're grading a

1020
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: guy off their best plays. He is the best guy

1021
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: in the draft class. The problem is that if you

1022
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: watch full games or you watch him over a long

1023
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: period of time, it's the gaps between the really good

1024
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: plays that are problematic. Right, So that's why people think

1025
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: he probably has the highest upside and ceiling because of

1026
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: the high level of those good plays. But at the

1027
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: same time, it's the stuff in between the really good

1028
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: flashes that I think have teams worried. So talking to

1029
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: people in Indy, I think there's a chance he drops

1030
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. To be quite honest with you, I

1031
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: think Hutchinson is a much safer player, but I don't

1032
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: think teams view him with a really super high upside

1033
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: because of his length and stuff like that. So I

1034
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: think that the two guys that I and I think

1035
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: Hudgerson will be gone too. I think Hudgerson, Neila and

1036
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: Akwana were the three guys that are not gonna be

1037
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: there at five and seven, And then I think the giants,

1038
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, we'll have a tough decision to make. Do

1039
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: you like Cavon Tiboteaus upside um? Do you like Trayvon

1040
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: Walker's ability to develop into an edge player with his

1041
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: unbelievable testing. He's someone that almost played an interior offensive

1042
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: line position of Georgia. They didn't just put him on

1043
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: the engine let him go, So there is a lot

1044
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: of projection there for him. And you're saying, well, John,

1045
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: you're picking a guy at five that you're projecting, Well,

1046
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL Draft. That's what we all right.

1047
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: We don't have a bunch of safe, bout chip players

1048
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: in this class. It's just not what it is. So

1049
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: or do you like Jeremy Johnson? A guy that had

1050
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: to leave Georgia because their defensive line is so good

1051
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: and he goes to Florida State and dominates and he

1052
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: does have really good pass you know, pass rush edge

1053
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: moves and stuff on tape. It's good. And he's a

1054
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: good run defender too. So that's the question that Giant's

1055
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: gonna ask himself at edge, right, do you like Jeremy Johnson?

1056
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: Like Travon Walker? Do you like Cavon Thibodeaux. I think

1057
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: two of those guys, maybe all three, will probably be

1058
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: on the board at five and they'll have to decide

1059
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: if they like one of those guys walling off to

1060
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: pick that or who knows, maybe they like David a

1061
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: job out of Michigan. Who's young? Is is you game?

1062
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: And he's got all the athleticism in the world. But

1063
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: I think the better question and then you could do

1064
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: edge too. If Neil and a Quanti were gone. What

1065
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: do you think of cross Penning and that next group

1066
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: of opera? Yeah, I know she crossed. To me, it'll

1067
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: only be crossed the bat the guy to be considered.

1068
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: I don't think Penning' is a top of in talent.

1069
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't even think crosses John this,

1070
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: But this is just my opinion looking at him. I

1071
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: like him, But how much does Joe Shane, you know,

1072
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: and we'll see how much they like him. But John

1073
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: just getting back to team. But it was pretty funny.

1074
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of him. I saw him obviously

1075
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Lashia Oregon and all that, and I didn't quite see that.

1076
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: But obviously I also don't watch sixty plus plays of

1077
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: everything on film with him. Okay, but that seems to

1078
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: be And now, obviously John, you were at the combine,

1079
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: you were talking to people on the side. Um, that

1080
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: seems to be the buzz about him that he takes

1081
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: plays off. I didn't quite see that, but I also

1082
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: did not see every play. Well again same here, like

1083
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: I didn't watch a watching full game. So I'm just

1084
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: going by what people tell and even and these are

1085
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: like media anials. These are on like front office people

1086
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: telling me this stuff. Okay. So unfortunately, John, that happens

1087
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: a lot with these kids that are in the comedy.

1088
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: They kind of get this tag on him, and that

1089
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: seems to be one on teep it away. He kind

1090
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: of takes place off. I didn't quite see that. But

1091
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: like I said, John, you know, even when I'm watching

1092
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: an Oregon game last fall, you know, I'm not focused

1093
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: totally on him every play, and I put of course

1094
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: on right John, But that's what these scouts do. Um.

1095
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: So interesting is how you know? But this kid tib

1096
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: it all. Like you said, John, he loves that dipping

1097
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: rip move. He even has that half dry freeny spin move.

1098
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: You could put him on the three technique. He actually

1099
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: played well when he's on the three tech. You know,

1100
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: And to me, the kids got a dynamic talent um.

1101
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: I want to know where that's coming from. Like I

1102
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: hate that crap John with somebody when it kicket slave, well,

1103
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: he takes plays off, you know, and then it goes

1104
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: around the whole combin like when you're at the combat

1105
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: and now it goes before the jo Oh, you might

1106
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: take some place off that I don't, you know, I

1107
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: didn't quite see that, But like I said, I didn't

1108
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: see everything. John. I hate when people can label that.

1109
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: But it could be true. But we'll find out, you know,

1110
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: a shame. But as far as cross and the other thing,

1111
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: by the way, if you real, Chris, real quick, chriss

1112
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: with Thibodeau, is that people the other thing that you

1113
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: kind of hear and I heard at the combin And

1114
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: this isn't from the giants or you know they're but

1115
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: they're scouting staff or anything. Just so fans, No, I'm not,

1116
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, this is not from them. What people say

1117
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: is that he almost feels like he has everything figured

1118
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: out already. So I think they wonder how well he's

1119
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna kind of take coaching to really, you know, will

1120
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: he be able to reach that full potential? Right? We

1121
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: know the full potential is there, and it's you know,

1122
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: way up here for people listening on audio and putting

1123
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: my hand on my up in the air. Um and

1124
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: he get there right? Is he is, as you know, Chris,

1125
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: you're going to n f a locker room. They're all

1126
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: unbelievable athletes. They're all great players. But what separates the

1127
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: great ones from the ones that don't reach that greatness

1128
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: isn't necessary their athleticism and their tools. It's do they

1129
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: do everything it takes to get there. So I think

1130
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: that's the other question too that people have with Tibot,

1131
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: or at least that's what the general consensus seemed to

1132
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: be from the people I talked to you out there

1133
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: at the combine. Yeah. John, And this is where you

1134
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: have to do your homework, brother, this is where you

1135
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: have to get You have scouts, right, that's something can't

1136
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: you're out. This is why the NFL has professional scouts

1137
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: doing this stuff, because we're just going off, you know,

1138
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: nonsense that. But oh, people are saying. People are saying,

1139
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: this is the work that the scouts have to put.

1140
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: This is exactly, Chris, what we're talking about. When Joe

1141
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: Shane said is opening press conference, you don't miss on

1142
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: the player, you miss on the person. Exactly what we're

1143
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: talking about. This is what we talk about. This is

1144
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: where you have to do that work. You have to

1145
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: talk through his defensive line coach. You have to talk

1146
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: to his high school coaches. You gotta talk to everybody.

1147
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: You have to find everybody that's been associated with this

1148
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: young man, okay, because I don't want to hear about

1149
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: a couple of guys saying, oh, yeah, you know, he

1150
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: took some plays off and now he gets tagged with that.

1151
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, uh, you know. So this is why scouts

1152
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: get paid, right, John, this is what you have to do.

1153
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: You have to find out everything about this kid. And

1154
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: it's amazing, John, because you think, like, oh, this is

1155
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm not talking about the Giants. Everybody all

1156
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: thirty two teams. What you say with people are like, well,

1157
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: this is an NFL team, of course they do that. No, folks,

1158
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: guess what. You'd be surprised how many scouts and NFL

1159
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: teams don't do that much more. They do a little

1160
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: bit this and that, and they don't go talk. You

1161
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: have to go. You have to find out everything about

1162
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: this kid because he could possibly be a fifth pick overall. John.

1163
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: And when the kid gets tagged with that or he

1164
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: takes some plays off, obviously they look at at me. Snap.

1165
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: They do that. They look at me snapped. The kids played, right,

1166
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: but I don't care, John, I don't care if you

1167
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: gotta go back to his high school. Whatever the hell

1168
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: you talk to everybody and go, what is this crap about?

1169
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: He takes plays off? Tell me about that? Or is

1170
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: he a diva? I mean, look, John, I even heard that. Hey, listen,

1171
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: this kid's got a little bit of a wide receiver

1172
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: type attitude about him on the defensive, on an edge player.

1173
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: He's a little bit of a diva. Does I even

1174
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: heard that. I'm like, okay, he's confident. The kid comes

1175
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: out and says, listen, I could do it, you know.

1176
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, to me, that doesn't really turn me off. Obviously,

1177
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: taking plays off, if that was a fact, I don't

1178
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: know if that's I don't I didn't see that, John,

1179
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: but people maybe have. But obviously that's something that could

1180
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: turn you off. But hey, John, this is why these

1181
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: guys have this job. You have to find out everything

1182
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: about this kid brother, because he could be right there

1183
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: at five. Okay, he could be there at five, And

1184
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: I think you will be Chris, to be honest with you,

1185
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: you think he will be right now if I think, guess,

1186
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: I believe he will be. Yes, So just quickly, John,

1187
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: um you think the Jets go with a tackle, So

1188
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Hutchinson for the Jackson. Tell me what next

1189
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: I see. I disagree. I still think the Jaguars picking

1190
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. I think they're and I think they're and

1191
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: helped the quarterback as much as you can mode and

1192
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: I think they'd be foolish not to, so I still

1193
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: think they take a tackle. I think Hutchinson is such

1194
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: a Dan Campbell type of guy. I don't see how

1195
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: he lets Dan Campbell out of that building there, because

1196
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: that type of goal a million miles an hour. He

1197
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: just seems like a Dan Campbell type of guy to me, right,

1198
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: I would get Houston trades Tunsle, they pick an offensive tackle.

1199
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: So I think those are the first three picks, and

1200
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: I think those are probably the three safest players in

1201
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: the draft too. I could see the Jets ticking Kyle

1202
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: Hamilton's that would not shock me. I think Jets taking

1203
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker that would not shock me. How about a corner, Yeah,

1204
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: I could see them taking Sauce. That would not surprise me.

1205
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, John and Joe Shane has

1206
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: talked about this too. We're taking the best player available

1207
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: on our board, right, we're not taking when I go

1208
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: to draft of need because that's where you get hurt.

1209
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: And Shane has said this play right. Let me ask

1210
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: you this, John, and I've talked about this a lot

1211
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: of the Giants at five, right, the two tackles are

1212
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: gone the edge, right, what if they have a Kyle

1213
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: Hamilton's at fifth grade best grade on ed board. I

1214
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: put up on cover three on giants dot Com earlier

1215
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: in the week the takeaways from the combine, and basically

1216
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: what I did is that these are the guys that

1217
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: I have in the mix for the Giants at number five.

1218
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: And just to show you what a weird drafted is

1219
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: or like ten people there, and for the fact that

1220
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about ten different guys for the fifth

1221
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: pick in the draft, it's crazy, like it shouldn't be

1222
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: that many guys. Should It just shows you how wild

1223
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: the draft is this year. And Hamilton's was one of them.

1224
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: And I said, if he's sitting there, and again, I

1225
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: don't know what the Giants think about him, Yeah, we

1226
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: don't know about what if he is like their highest

1227
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: graded player, like pure grade on the board. And wig

1228
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: Morton lle likes to use the safeties in different ways.

1229
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: I know Davian McKinney's there already, and I know Kyle

1230
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: hamild is not a guy you're gonna line up in

1231
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: the slot to cover man on man and stuff. That's fine.

1232
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: Is that a possibility if if you know and the

1233
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: other and this will be like the final point I'll

1234
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: make here, Chris, I feel like Joe Shane with his

1235
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: first two picks. And Mike tannem Mom kind of got

1236
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: me on this when I talked to him at the

1237
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: combine and he said, when I was at the Jets

1238
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: my first year and I was trying to set a

1239
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: culture right, I drafted two guys that were safe and

1240
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: I knew were the right type of people and guys

1241
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: that would I could build my program with. He drafted

1242
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: Nick Mangold, and he drafted To Brickershaw Ferguson, two solid,

1243
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: really good players. Does Joe Shane take that same method

1244
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: here and say, well, I know, and in the in

1245
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: the draft where there are going to probably be half

1246
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: of the top twelve fifteen picks, Chris are probably gonna

1247
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: be quote unquote busts or guys that never make Pro Bowls.

1248
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: That's just the way the draft is. It's a very

1249
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: all over the place type of draft, right, So do

1250
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: you just pick the guy that you know, even if

1251
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: it's not a premium position, is going to be a

1252
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: good football player. Just go there, be happy you've got

1253
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: a good player and move on. That's something that Joe

1254
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: Shane might decide to do. I mean with you on that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he made that known. You know he's gonna

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have, you know, the best. The next one

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Speaker 1: up is gonna be the best play the next guy

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Speaker 1: they have on their board. We don't know that board, John,

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Speaker 1: when I probably see that board right, So to sit

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Speaker 1: here and speculating, oh no, Shane will do this, Oh

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Speaker 1: we don't know that? Bored and that you know because

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Speaker 1: why I bought it up, John's because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have Actually, hey, Chris, you can't take a safety

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Speaker 1: at five. You can't, well guess what a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have. Kyle Hounds in a five top five talent. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if those like you said that scenario plays out, John,

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Speaker 1: you know where the two tackles are gone and tep whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know, dude, they is a kid like Kyle Hamilton's play.

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Speaker 1: Because Joe Shane and his people have him the fifth

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Speaker 1: best the fifth grade could be is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying is that it's very possible. You know,

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Speaker 1: on the number five on their board is a Kyle Hamilton's.

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Speaker 1: Because I'll just say this, God help us all, what

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Speaker 1: that Friday afternoon is gonna be like If the Giants

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Speaker 1: still pick an offensive lineman at five and seven, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking giant pants off the ledge until that

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Speaker 1: Friday night of the draft. But it's not impossible. Given

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Speaker 1: the way this draft looks and who might go on

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Speaker 1: the top five, that might exactly be what we're looking

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Speaker 1: at here. And then you go draft to drafting offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman at the top of the second round. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: bring in a veteran free agency or whatever like that's

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00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: a legitimate possibility here. That would not fans would lose

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00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: their minds and maybe I'd be a little surprised, but

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Speaker 1: I would not be fall out of my chair shocked.

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Speaker 1: If we're looking at a pass rusher and a cornerback

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Speaker 1: at five and seven, that would keep stoping. Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: look it all depends to John how hard they have

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Speaker 1: Charles Cross rated? Okay, that that that that that's not

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Speaker 1: a little bit of it, that's all of it. And

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Speaker 1: the only Trevor Penning too, because some people have Trevor

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Speaker 1: Penning is the top ten fifteen pick, don't We'll see, okay,

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Speaker 1: So it all depends on what Joe Sheen and his

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Speaker 1: crew and his staff, how they have Charles Cross and

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Speaker 1: like you said, even the Penning kid, now, okay, that's

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Speaker 1: creeping up in the board. How high do they have

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Speaker 1: so for giant fans, right, say they do have Charles's

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Speaker 1: course a top seven town, right and they pick them?

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Speaker 1: Then they pick them now, So like you just said,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have we're gonna all gonna have to talk

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Speaker 1: giant fans off the ledge if they don't draft an

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Speaker 1: offensive linees. By the way, if they have Charles Cross

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Speaker 1: is the eighteenth best player in this draft, they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: pick him at five and seven. No, No, that's what

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Speaker 1: people have to understand. I'm talking. I'm addressing John because

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00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: you just said you're gonna have to talk. We're all

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Speaker 1: gonna have to talk giant fans off the ledge because

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Speaker 1: they don't take a kid at five US offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: at five or seven? Right? Okay, but where do they

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Speaker 1: have Charles if they have Charles Course the top seven,

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Speaker 1: we'll guess what Giant fans, No matter what, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get a tackle, right, no matter what. So but if

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Speaker 1: they have Cours at thirteen or fourteen, well I hate

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Speaker 1: to a giant fans With those two big boys off

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Speaker 1: the board, they're not going to draft on offensive line, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think, I mean, unless they unless

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Speaker 1: they move Penning up that much, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: feel Pennings the top seven type god town. But I'm

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Speaker 1: also not Joe Shane. You know, we don't know. I

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Speaker 1: just don't see that happening. John. To me, it all depends.

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Speaker 1: It all comes down to how high do they have

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Speaker 1: Charles Cross, Because if they have the top seven, we'll

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Speaker 1: guess what, giant fans. You gotta get somebody, you know,

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00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: you gotta get somebody, So we'll see, buddy. That's what

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Speaker 1: time will tell Chris, this is a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I was playing. That's going like thirty forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: But the conversation, this is great. We rocked it roll.

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Speaker 1: Look at what we think about. He tell the folks

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Speaker 1: where they can find everything with Giants Insider, All right,

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Speaker 1: at at you just go to Twitter two at Giant

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Speaker 1: in insider uh and the podcast The Giant Inside of Podcast.

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Speaker 1: That mean Jerry Foley, a senior editor, does this time

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Speaker 1: of year once a week. We will be going back

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Speaker 1: to twice we soon and then and you can subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the newspaper to Giant Decide the newspaper. Thank you, John, Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: we gotta do this again. Brother was couly Man. This

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Speaker 1: was fun, Chris, good seeing. Hopefully we'll see in a

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Speaker 1: month down here at the facility, right brother, Chris, busy no, no,

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Speaker 1: We thank you for joining us on the John Subtle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you check it out again on the Giants app,

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Speaker 1: gihants dot com, slash podcast, and your favorite podcast platforms.

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