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Speaker 1: My uh my French club? Did? Oh? There you go?
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Speaker 1: you revealed last week at this time West that you
Speaker 1: had lost two iPads to the bathtub um during um
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Speaker 1: Did we lose anymore iPads this week? In the past
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Speaker 1: did you get I got so many offers. One woodworker
Speaker 1: probably vowed that he would just let him know what
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Speaker 1: need someone to just hold it for you, that was
Speaker 1: going too far. That was going too far, you know,
Speaker 1: if she was gonna be clothed or not while she
Speaker 1: was doing that function. It seems like what we we
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Speaker 1: we just let it. Let me sit there. It has,
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Speaker 1: somebody wants to come at us to buy it out
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Speaker 1: so that locks us in from a legality standpoint. Good
Speaker 1: big tech. All right. Now, onto the business of week twelve.
Speaker 1: In the NFL Strange Sunday, We're about to dig into
Speaker 1: some some epics. Stinky eggs were laid across the league
Speaker 1: by would be contenders potential pretenders in the league. Also,
Speaker 1: this feels like the first Sunday Greg where the NFL
Speaker 1: which is danced through the rain drops on COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: to this point where it really felt like COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: impacted the league in a way that it hasn't before.
Speaker 1: And we are not out of the woods yet because
Speaker 1: we don't even know if a Week eighteen is gonna
Speaker 1: have to come into play. Right now as we tape this,
Speaker 1: Steelers Ravens still on the books, but we learned today
Speaker 1: that are yet another positive test uh in the Ravens building. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think if that game is played, it just
Speaker 1: then there's the next week. I think this is gonna
Speaker 1: hopefully every week is an as um last minute and
Speaker 1: crazy as this one is, but I think this is
Speaker 1: just the world we're living in for the next the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. Really, it is not pleasant, but
Speaker 1: this is the hand that we've been dealt as football
Speaker 1: fans and as members of society. As Americans, I would
Speaker 1: say we can put it on us as a country,
Speaker 1: very american esque, but those of us that work for
Speaker 1: big tech can tell you that we're working toward a solution.
Speaker 1: So stay tuned all right. Let's get to the games,
Speaker 1: beginning with a big intra conference showdown Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Only one quarterback looked like a star checking in forward
Speaker 1: for the chief Mahomes snap at his belt, works the
Speaker 1: right boundary, Tyreek Hill over the shoulder touchdown Kansas City
Speaker 1: and continues Carlton Davis's nightmare day and the wonderful game
Speaker 1: for Tyreek Hill a twenty yard reception, perfectly throwing football
Speaker 1: over the shoulder of the cheetah who's putting on a
Speaker 1: clinic in front of a national audience. Mitch holtens when
Speaker 1: they called w d A f Yes, Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. There is no more terrifying twosome in football.
Speaker 1: Hill had two hundred and four yards and two touchdowns
Speaker 1: after one quarter, and he scored for a third time
Speaker 1: as you just heard in the Chiefs win over the
Speaker 1: Bucks in Tampa. This was boys another nearly flawless performance
Speaker 1: by Mahomes, who accounted for almost five hundred yards of offense.
Speaker 1: He capped his afternoon by stealing Tony Romo's heart with
Speaker 1: this with a series of perfectly executed plays to run
Speaker 1: out the clock after the Bucks pulled within a field
Speaker 1: goal with about four or so minutes to play, and
Speaker 1: he fits. He he uced the game in a fitting manner,
Speaker 1: converting on a first down throw to Tyreek Hill, who
Speaker 1: finished with a thirteen to sixty nine three slash line
Speaker 1: fifteen targets an all times single game uh performance Uh
Speaker 1: one of the great performances against the quality defense West
Speaker 1: to boot. Oh yeah, Carlton Davis, poor guy. He was
Speaker 1: on my old pro watch list with you know a
Speaker 1: guy Mark Ntilia Denzel Ward who's having an all pro
Speaker 1: cornerback season in Cleveland, Gyear, Alexander and Green Bay, and
Speaker 1: his all pro bid went up and smoked today when
Speaker 1: the Bucks tried to get him to play one on
Speaker 1: one with no safety help for a quarter and that
Speaker 1: quarter ended up with two hundred yards. I mean that
Speaker 1: was the game was over by then. I guess the
Speaker 1: Bucks made made it interesting at the end, but it
Speaker 1: reminded me of I played a flag football for a
Speaker 1: couple of years in early twenties. Uh. And it was
Speaker 1: a correct league, So we're not talking about like college
Speaker 1: um Erica. Can we get some storytime music underneath this
Speaker 1: for West? Go ahead, Chris as a correct league, so
Speaker 1: we're not talking about like Division one college type of
Speaker 1: prospects here. But I imagine in the finals we went
Speaker 1: up against a pair of wide receivers who were both
Speaker 1: in the six two six three range, and I imagine
Speaker 1: maybe some small college experience in their past. And I
Speaker 1: have been playing number one cornerback all year until that game,
Speaker 1: and halfway through, it's just obvious that I could not
Speaker 1: no matter what I did, I could not stop anything
Speaker 1: they wanted to do at all. They did everything they
Speaker 1: wanted to do on the field, and you know, just
Speaker 1: like the pirate ship, Lady in Tampa Bay today looks
Speaker 1: so mirrose because everyone in that building could see that
Speaker 1: nobody could cover Tarik Hill. Everybody on my team looked
Speaker 1: morose because I had to be taken out of there
Speaker 1: and we need to switch things up. I could not
Speaker 1: athletically peak with with these superior people. And that's how
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis was with Tyre Hill today. Well, Greg, let
Speaker 1: me let me throw to you off that. So Carlton Davis,
Speaker 1: that's not just on him. Tyring Hills a hard man
Speaker 1: to cover, and Antoine Winfield Jr. Who has had a
Speaker 1: really nice year as well, did not give him the
Speaker 1: help that he needed. But in general, this seems like
Speaker 1: a scheme issue as well. Your bowls of Sons takes
Speaker 1: a major hit. I would think, as well, here, well,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to breaking this down more. But I
Speaker 1: would say at the end of the day, like every
Speaker 1: defensive plays, the Chiefs is kind of choosing the way
Speaker 1: that they want to die, and they rolled with a
Speaker 1: guy Carlton Davis in that type of carde. That's the
Speaker 1: way they decided to die early in the end. You know,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs scored twenty seven points and they're forced to
Speaker 1: punt three straight times in the second half. That doesn't
Speaker 1: happen too often in the year. You know, maybe that's
Speaker 1: your defense giving you about as good a chance against
Speaker 1: the Chiefs as you can hope for. Not that you
Speaker 1: know you want to give up five d and sixty yards,
Speaker 1: but that you just do something. But it really feels
Speaker 1: almost like an unstoppable offense. You need them to make mistakes,
Speaker 1: you need to come up with big plays. That's how
Speaker 1: both thought they were gonna do. It didn't work. I
Speaker 1: was watching this and it kind of dawned on me.
Speaker 1: Although they could have dawned on me two months ago.
Speaker 1: It would have been appropriate also that oh yeah, we're
Speaker 1: going through this incredibly bizarre season with all these um,
Speaker 1: really unprecedented twists and turns, but it's just gonna end
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs winning the super Bowl. It's just it's
Speaker 1: that I'm just utterly convinced, and uh, you can try
Speaker 1: to hard sell someone else that I know how we
Speaker 1: do this. We've gotta act like that, we gotta go
Speaker 1: through all the motions. But um barring like about the
Speaker 1: fact that they can't that they always let these teams
Speaker 1: back in these games. Two point win over the pan,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. A couple of points last week.
Speaker 1: Three points like that is a different way to be done. Nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody who watched today's game thought that Chiefs were ever
Speaker 1: in jeopard right, And I mean I would. I feel
Speaker 1: like my feelings about the Bucks have declined. I um,
Speaker 1: they're balanced and stuff, but can you can you imagine
Speaker 1: them winning like as a wild card team four straight
Speaker 1: games to get to get to the super Bowl, to
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, you didn't go on the emotional
Speaker 1: roller coaster to Tony Romo went on from at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the game, saying the Bucks they have no
Speaker 1: chance unless they start running more of Tom Brady's New
Speaker 1: England offense too. At the end of the game, coming
Speaker 1: right back around and saying, by the way they came back,
Speaker 1: they have a very good chance of meeting on this
Speaker 1: very field against the Chiefs in a couple of months. Well,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. That was a huge win for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: number one seed chances, which really does matter if you
Speaker 1: look at the reft of their schedule. Uh, they do
Speaker 1: have to go to New Orleans, they have to go
Speaker 1: to Miami to two pretty tricky games. Obviously, the Saints
Speaker 1: schemes tough. If they lost this game, I don't think
Speaker 1: they would have any chance left because you look at
Speaker 1: the Steelers. It's just hard to see two losses for
Speaker 1: the Steelers. So the Chiefs have to keep winning these
Speaker 1: games to get the one seed. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that would be because I know there are Steelers fans
Speaker 1: that are yelling at their um podcast playing device when
Speaker 1: Mark saying that we're undefeated. We're undefeated, we should be
Speaker 1: taken seriously as well as a heavy Super Bowl favorite
Speaker 1: right now. So I I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, though, I I agree that there's no one
Speaker 1: better than the Chiefs and and it continues to feel
Speaker 1: reductive saying it. But Patrick Mahomes just you know, and
Speaker 1: like I said, Rome's romo was completely a flutter um
Speaker 1: as Mahomes expertly ran out that clock uh keeping plays alive.
Speaker 1: He's such an under underrated scrambler because he has you know,
Speaker 1: all world uh you know, all time level arm talent
Speaker 1: in terms of accuracy and arm strength, and his ability
Speaker 1: to throw from different angles and off his back foot
Speaker 1: and flat footed. You forget about how how savvy he
Speaker 1: is running with the football. He doesn't have I guess,
Speaker 1: the highest speed levels when you measure them up against
Speaker 1: the Kyler Murray's of the world, but his ability to
Speaker 1: know exactly when to go, know exactly when to get down,
Speaker 1: never make a mistake in terms of running out of
Speaker 1: bounds and costing a team. He's just the perfect quarterback.
Speaker 1: There's no other way to look at it. It's quarterback also,
Speaker 1: I mean, like in the fact that he's paired with
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. I mean, it matters where you land as
Speaker 1: a prospect. But he's the perfect quarterback with the perfect coach.
Speaker 1: And you can only imagine what kind of like uh
Speaker 1: notes they send each other over text about football deep
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. It's going to be
Speaker 1: something that you could write a book about someday. He's
Speaker 1: clearly worked on his scrambling between last year and this year.
Speaker 1: I think the whole year this year, he has been
Speaker 1: so decisive, knowing exactly when the defense turns its back
Speaker 1: that he can go, and he has taken advantage of
Speaker 1: that all year. This year it was it was the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback of all time and Tom Brady on the
Speaker 1: same field together. The game he turns on the man
Speaker 1: that gave him everything in New England. My last thought
Speaker 1: in the game before we move on, is how close,
Speaker 1: uh this came from? This came to not being a connection,
Speaker 1: the Tyreek Killpatrick Mahomes connection. It was last summer when
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill was mired and legal issues uh that were
Speaker 1: you know, on him obviously with a domestic violent situation,
Speaker 1: and it seemed very close to being one of those
Speaker 1: situations where he heads up out of the league and
Speaker 1: he disappears for a while, maybe pops up again later,
Speaker 1: but he's on a different team. The way it played
Speaker 1: out for the Chiefs was they stuck with him. The
Speaker 1: legal process worked its way out, and now it seems
Speaker 1: like it's ancient history. But last year it did not
Speaker 1: feel like Tyreek Hill was necessarily part of the future
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs. He is here now, and he is impossible.
Speaker 1: I think the player you described as Antonio Brown to
Speaker 1: some degree, who is floating around after years of bizarre stuff.
Speaker 1: So he was on the field also and not doing much,
Speaker 1: not doing much all right? And one last thought isn't
Speaker 1: that wasn't that a weird game? Though? How that game
Speaker 1: felt like it should have been forty two to twenty
Speaker 1: and here are the Bucks one third down stop away
Speaker 1: from getting the ball back with a chance to tire
Speaker 1: or win that. I don't know. I was watching the game.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was in the twilight zone or something.
Speaker 1: It was like a black mirror. Ever, how how did
Speaker 1: that happen? I don't know. Maybe it's just all the
Speaker 1: weirdness in the world and sitting in my living rooms
Speaker 1: that's getting dark and I don't have any lights on,
Speaker 1: and the game's not I mean, it's just weird times,
Speaker 1: weird times. Let's move up. Here's Henry on the right
Speaker 1: side of the ten. Henry to the five, Henry to
Speaker 1: the end zone, touch Dad, Titans. That's three for double two,
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry Mike Keith having fun w g f X
Speaker 1: with the call. Derrick Henry went off for a hundred
Speaker 1: and forty yards and three touchdowns him the first half alone,
Speaker 1: and the Titans had cruise control from that point onward,
Speaker 1: whipping the Colts to six, and they take sole possession
Speaker 1: of first place in the a f C South Mark.
Speaker 1: This game felt like the Titans sent it a message
Speaker 1: to arrival. I think so. And it it makes me
Speaker 1: think twice about the Thursday night game that we mentioned
Speaker 1: on our preview show, where there were just a lot
Speaker 1: of special teams, gaffs and weirdness and it kind of, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it took I think that game took the
Speaker 1: Titans out of their out of their mode a little bit.
Speaker 1: And this one, I mean, the cults this thing at halftime,
Speaker 1: it was clearly, so clearly over that I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not too proud to say that. I barely just
Speaker 1: scanned the second half for any hints of life from Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: And I think they were mentally broken by Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: and what the Tennessee did in the first half that
Speaker 1: they never climbed back into this and you know, It
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me of like the other side of
Speaker 1: the sandwich or cookie or whatever you want to say
Speaker 1: to the Tyreek Hill game, because Derrick Henry like had
Speaker 1: essentially the kind of game you'd want, you'd be thrilled at,
Speaker 1: like over the course of an affair, it would be
Speaker 1: an incredible contest. And he did it, and he did
Speaker 1: it in thirty minutes, and he did it in such
Speaker 1: a dominating fashion. And it was also A J. Brown
Speaker 1: and Ryan Tannehill, and we talked about is their concern
Speaker 1: about a team like this it's basically just built around
Speaker 1: three or four guys like it's Henry, it's Ryan Tanna
Speaker 1: HIL's a J. Brown. I have no problem with it
Speaker 1: when they played this way, they just they seem like
Speaker 1: a very mentally tough team. To me, this was there
Speaker 1: was a Corona factor of this. I think this game
Speaker 1: would have looked different with DeForrest Buckner on the field
Speaker 1: and Autry was out as well, And so that's I
Speaker 1: think that you know, Tennessee found of vulnerability. Um, that
Speaker 1: doesn't always mean it's gonna work. It worked beautifully, and
Speaker 1: I mean the Colts it's almost like one of those
Speaker 1: bury the ball games, Take the game tape, throw it
Speaker 1: out a window, and move on because it was it
Speaker 1: was humiliating, humiliating loss for the Colts. Well, if the
Speaker 1: Titans win this division and now they're in you know,
Speaker 1: good shape, just one up that second quarter, that first half,
Speaker 1: really thirty five points and three fifty yards, that that's
Speaker 1: gonna be the division right there. And yeah, sometimes with
Speaker 1: all this Corona stuff, it's gonna be when you play
Speaker 1: a team, you know, the Saints basically gotta buy today
Speaker 1: because you know they would have won that. It probably
Speaker 1: would have won that game. Anyways, People get a little
Speaker 1: carried away. But you know, they play a Colts team
Speaker 1: who their defensive line, to me, other than the special teams,
Speaker 1: um was we're kind of the key in that first
Speaker 1: game was their defensive line beating the Titans offensive line.
Speaker 1: And they lose by far their best player and I
Speaker 1: would say easily their second best player on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: and doesn't doesn't excuse it. The Titans have a million
Speaker 1: things wrong with them. They've been crushed by injuries and
Speaker 1: Corona too. So that's just that's just how it is.
Speaker 1: But that's part of the reason why the matchup plays out.
Speaker 1: The way it does today, and now the Cults are
Speaker 1: in some trouble. I don't think we've seen the Titans
Speaker 1: defense at its best this year, and to me, this
Speaker 1: has clearly been the best team in the division all
Speaker 1: year long. You can say the Colts, but I think
Speaker 1: the Titans the way they play, they play sort of
Speaker 1: like we're used to the Ravens plane, where they come
Speaker 1: in and they out physical you. They dare you to
Speaker 1: match their toughness, and we saw what happened today. To me,
Speaker 1: they've been the class of that division all year, I'm
Speaker 1: totally with you. And I think if you look at
Speaker 1: something about like Derrick Henry to do what you're doing
Speaker 1: as a running back year after years, surged down the
Speaker 1: stretch like this, like hats off to your conditioning, the
Speaker 1: way he treats his bot, because I mean he is
Speaker 1: to me, I think he's he should get m v
Speaker 1: P m v P votes. I mean, I know we
Speaker 1: won't probably in the way this the way this league runs,
Speaker 1: but um, he's he is their m v P and
Speaker 1: he's the m v P of you know. To me,
Speaker 1: he's top five on that in that list. He I
Speaker 1: mean the way he's built, just his build in addition,
Speaker 1: obviously how hard he works and obviously does this is
Speaker 1: just his time of year. We've seen it now. This
Speaker 1: will be the third straight year where he's just going
Speaker 1: to roll through defenses that are compromised by injuries and
Speaker 1: this year COVID and as long as they give him
Speaker 1: the ball and he stays healthy, he's going to continue
Speaker 1: to rack up these monster games. I think he'll win
Speaker 1: a rushing title going away again. So I thought yes. Obviously,
Speaker 1: DeForrest Buckner was one of the you know, biggest acquisitions
Speaker 1: any team made this season, and he solidified that Colts
Speaker 1: defense in the way they exactly needed. So he take
Speaker 1: him out of that mix, Uh, there's gonna be big problems.
Speaker 1: But Henry was beating him every which way, whether it
Speaker 1: was going up the middle or going around and I
Speaker 1: just thought that was such a show of might by
Speaker 1: their um offense. In the first half, they had three
Speaker 1: d and forty six yards, a hundred and seventy three
Speaker 1: yards passing, one and seventy three yards rushing thirty five
Speaker 1: points at halftime. They just have a higher gear than
Speaker 1: any of these a f C South teams, including the
Speaker 1: Colts um. That's why I thought they had a good
Speaker 1: chance to win this game, and now I just I
Speaker 1: don't see them with Henry involved in his ability to
Speaker 1: close out games, uh and wear out defenses, they just
Speaker 1: seemed to me like they're gonna get to ten or
Speaker 1: eleven wins and and take this division. And I think
Speaker 1: that that you mentioned that one seventy three mirror run
Speaker 1: pass in the first half their balance to it's not
Speaker 1: just the run game. I mean there were a couple
Speaker 1: of big, big plays through the air too, So I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I really like them in the a f
Speaker 1: c um. They played Cleveland next week, and I don't
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna find out what the benoit of
Speaker 1: those two teams pretty pretty quickly down eleven in Baltimore
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. That that to me is it
Speaker 1: was a pivotal moment in this a see playoff race
Speaker 1: for those two teams. For them to come back on
Speaker 1: Baltimore last week kind of just changes the trajectory of
Speaker 1: those two teams their home against the Browns. If they
Speaker 1: can beat the Browns and there too eight and three teams, uh,
Speaker 1: then they get the Jaguars and Lions after that, so
Speaker 1: they are things are set up at eight and three
Speaker 1: for them, uh to have a home game in the playoffs. Now,
Speaker 1: they just got to take care of business and the
Speaker 1: Colts need to get some guys back on the field.
Speaker 1: Let's move up Cousins back to pass fire city ends. Yes,
Speaker 1: touchdown chat baby, well, John, your first National Football League
Speaker 1: touchdown has made everybody forget about them off the game
Speaker 1: at chat babe, wow k f A n Paul Allen.
Speaker 1: Of course with the call not the Paul Allen that
Speaker 1: was murder by UM the American psycho actor uh character
Speaker 1: Patrick Baton that should be noted as well. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: capped to seven place seventy five yard drive with a
Speaker 1: touchdown strike to Chad Beebe, who only minutes before seemed
Speaker 1: to doom Minnesota with a muff punt that gave Carolina
Speaker 1: the ball deep in Vikings territory with two minutes to play,
Speaker 1: but BB scored. Was followed by yet another long range
Speaker 1: miss at the gun by Joey Sly, and it allowed
Speaker 1: the Vikings to escape win. Their playoff hopes are alive.
Speaker 1: I saw some UM Analytics predictor saying they have a
Speaker 1: chance of making the playoffs. Well, only one back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it would have been very close to zero. I
Speaker 1: think if they did not find a way to win
Speaker 1: this game, and they did everything possible, everything possible to
Speaker 1: blow their season today, their defense got ripped up by
Speaker 1: the Panthers running game. Without Christian McCaffrey. They had eight
Speaker 1: annal teams for fifty two yards. Minnesota. They turned the
Speaker 1: ball over three times, including back to back fumbles that
Speaker 1: got returned for scores on consecutive plays from scrimmage. Um,
Speaker 1: you had no Adam Feeling COVID nineteen out. Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: was held held down for most of the day and
Speaker 1: he was a little banged up to uh missed some
Speaker 1: time with a lower body injury on that second fumble
Speaker 1: that went for the score. So I just want to say,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, good for you man. You're playing you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, no one's Patrick Mahomes. But if you want
Speaker 1: to stack up games over the past month or so,
Speaker 1: he is stacking up big time performance after big time performance. Uh.
Speaker 1: And to do it today without Adam Feeling, when Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook was not there to to make the big plays,
Speaker 1: to go seven plays and seventy five yards to save
Speaker 1: your season with no time outs, Uh, that was just
Speaker 1: the big time performance by cousins. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the Kings make the playoffs, but I will say that
Speaker 1: this is the type of win, uh that makes you
Speaker 1: believe because they were dead in the water and they
Speaker 1: found a way to survive. Had they had they lost this,
Speaker 1: I think Jeremy Chin, the Panthers rookie defensive back, um
Speaker 1: would be the story of the game. He is the
Speaker 1: first player. He took those two fumbles to the house
Speaker 1: and back to back drives, the first player to do
Speaker 1: that since Fred Dippy Evans give us something on Dippys
Speaker 1: never heard of him. It sounds like he had an
Speaker 1: interesting hair do though. I mean, you can assume certain
Speaker 1: things if your nickname as an adult is Dippy. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like what how much respect you're garnering. I was.
Speaker 1: I was disappointed though. I mean, you know, team Narrative,
Speaker 1: Team Teddy, two Gloves, Teddy Bridgewater. You know they had
Speaker 1: their struggles. If they get a first down late, you know,
Speaker 1: before they you know, kicked the field goal, they probably
Speaker 1: win this game. But he gets the ball back after
Speaker 1: they've collapsed with forty three seconds left and no time
Speaker 1: out at the thirteen and gets them in position with
Speaker 1: three throws for Joey Sly to go kick the game winner,
Speaker 1: and Joey Slaw yanked it. It's like, you can miss
Speaker 1: a game winner, but when you show your nerves with
Speaker 1: your kick, then it's gotta be tough for Joey Sly
Speaker 1: to be going to the kicker club because he missed
Speaker 1: it by about thirty five ft and it was indoors.
Speaker 1: It was in fairness, it was I believe a fifty
Speaker 1: three yard attempts, so it was it wasn't a check
Speaker 1: but he missed it by like forty yards and yanked it.
Speaker 1: Like they keep putting him up for these huge kicks.
Speaker 1: Every week he's kicking like a fifty eight yarder or
Speaker 1: sixty yarder. Yeah, he's got to stay in the kicker
Speaker 1: club because at the end of the day, when it
Speaker 1: comes down to it, he's the only one can stand
Speaker 1: with Justin Tucker in a length competition. No, that's true.
Speaker 1: It's important to have someone there to push him that way. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and the Panthers, I mean, that's that's a
Speaker 1: tough spot. The defense. I mean, Teddy returning to Minnesota
Speaker 1: just would have been it just would have been nice
Speaker 1: for them. They finally get a by them in the
Speaker 1: Bucks are the only teams that have played twelve games.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, exactly. So, poor Kirk Cousins. Nobody's gonna give
Speaker 1: him any credit for that game because it happened on
Speaker 1: a Sunday afternoon. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: all you did was be the rebuilding Carolina Panthers team
Speaker 1: on a Sunday afternoon. So that's the way it goes
Speaker 1: when you're Kirk Cousins. That's true. And Justin Jefferson UH
Speaker 1: continues to be a menace to opposing defenses. He had
Speaker 1: two more touchdowns in this game, and they flashed up
Speaker 1: the Fox telecast a side by side comparison of the
Speaker 1: rookie seasons of Justin Jefferson and Randy Moss, and they
Speaker 1: were very similar. Now, Randy Moss obviously was once in
Speaker 1: a generation player UH and a superior player most likely
Speaker 1: to just Justin Jefferson. But it does, it really does
Speaker 1: give you some perspective because Moss also hit the league
Speaker 1: like a hurricane when he came in. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on, Pepper Snapshnowski has a John Robbie. The forty
Speaker 1: Diners have beaten the l A Rams again. Twice this year,
Speaker 1: twice last year. Sweep him up. Baby Craig Poppa and
Speaker 1: Tim Ryan. They're like Cesla, they don't like the Rams.
Speaker 1: K n b R. With the call, the Fortys defense
Speaker 1: got one final stop on defense, they drove the plus territory,
Speaker 1: then celebrated when Robbie Golds field goal attempt went through
Speaker 1: the uprights at Triple zero's final score twenty three to twenty.
Speaker 1: The Niners, yes, sweep the Rams and mark as hard
Speaker 1: as it is to believe with all the challenges they've
Speaker 1: had this season, they are in the playoff hunt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're in the hunt. In it they look like a
Speaker 1: different team when they get some of these guys back.
Speaker 1: And I thought this story of the game for their
Speaker 1: offense was Deebo Samuel absolutely leveled the Rams defense. He
Speaker 1: had catches of thirty three yards, twenty six, another twenty
Speaker 1: six yard or a huge twenty four yard or on
Speaker 1: their final drive that set helps set up that field
Speaker 1: goal and another four yarder on that drive. So Deebo Samuel,
Speaker 1: you know, they're very challenge with Nick Mullins at quarterback,
Speaker 1: I mean, he is what he is, but Deebo found
Speaker 1: a way to get open Um. That was a big
Speaker 1: part of this game, and it does feel like the
Speaker 1: Niners understand how to play Jared Goff. It was it
Speaker 1: was more of the same where every couple of weeks
Speaker 1: you get the Jared Goff game where he had two
Speaker 1: bad picks um, he had a fumble. They were all
Speaker 1: over him, and it was the opposite of what we've
Speaker 1: seen when they've been hot, where like Cooper Cup and
Speaker 1: Woods are going off. It was just they couldn't get
Speaker 1: Um unspooled. There was a there was a series, there
Speaker 1: was a section of drives in this game where they went,
Speaker 1: let me check this out and in a golf interception,
Speaker 1: a punt, a punt, a punt, a fumble, a pick
Speaker 1: upon a punt. They could not get anything going until
Speaker 1: cam Akers ripped off a big run that really you know,
Speaker 1: they kind of found themselves too late in the game
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. And I like the Rams are
Speaker 1: a good team, but we kind of we talked about
Speaker 1: this could how this could happen, how there was there
Speaker 1: was a complete table setting for Kyle Shanahan to do
Speaker 1: this to Sean McVeigh, and McVeigh was a little irritated
Speaker 1: after the game, and I thought spoke pretty pointedly about
Speaker 1: Jared Goff saying that our quarterback has to protect the
Speaker 1: ball better. I mean lost in this wasn't Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year argument? Once again he was.
Speaker 1: He was absolutely dominant. And you know the Niners are
Speaker 1: they They squeaked out a win here, but it was
Speaker 1: it came very close because of what Aaron Donald was
Speaker 1: able to do. I think the world of the Rams
Speaker 1: defense this year. I think they're phenomenal, um, but their
Speaker 1: offense has been smoking years a smoking mirrors all year,
Speaker 1: and I think it's catching up to them. They Sean
Speaker 1: McVeigh called great offensive game plans, but a lot of
Speaker 1: it is misdirection and play action and tricking defenses and
Speaker 1: what they're doing before the snap. And how long can
Speaker 1: you do that every week? I don't think you can.
Speaker 1: And I think you see forts give them credit for
Speaker 1: their defense playing awesome. Their whole team is banged up,
Speaker 1: and you see what happens when they get a guy
Speaker 1: like Deebo Samuel back. They get Raheem most are back.
Speaker 1: They're they're every bit of playoff contender if they have
Speaker 1: a healthy George Kill and if they if they have
Speaker 1: their guys healthy. They are every bit of playoffs. It
Speaker 1: has to be the biggest what if season out there
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of them, so there's there's competition.
Speaker 1: But Richard Sherman went made a huge difference. These are
Speaker 1: guys they've been without for months, you know, and they
Speaker 1: get ayuke back. But this was totally on Golf. I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised McVeigh finally came down on him a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think it is, other than the Super Bowl, the
Speaker 1: most disappointing game of Golf's career because it was a hunt.
Speaker 1: To me, it was like almost a hundred percent on him.
Speaker 1: The the interceptions and and the fumble are so bad,
Speaker 1: but he also missed open throws. He was tentative, and
Speaker 1: you do worry with Golf that you're seeing some of
Speaker 1: the same problems, which is when he gets knocked down,
Speaker 1: you know, how does he react. Does he go into
Speaker 1: a shell? How about your team like Aaron Donald picks
Speaker 1: you up, scores a defensive touchdown. How about your running game?
Speaker 1: Cam Acres bus one open for you, scores a touchdown,
Speaker 1: puts you in the lead. Then he hadn't done anything.
Speaker 1: Then they get the ball two more times in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter with the lead or in a tie game,
Speaker 1: and again he can't get it done ms his throws.
Speaker 1: When they lost to the forty Niners the first time,
Speaker 1: the forty Niners kind of took their lunch money, and
Speaker 1: Golf said after the game he wasn't worried because his
Speaker 1: problems in that game were accuracy and that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: a problem for me. Well it was today, like he
Speaker 1: wasn't accurate, and that's it's I don't we don't need
Speaker 1: to have a Jared Goff conversation every game. He's had
Speaker 1: some good moments this year, but this game was totally
Speaker 1: on him. And you don't want your quarterback to be
Speaker 1: the reason you can't beat your rival when they're totally
Speaker 1: beleaguer Like if they can't beat him, now when can
Speaker 1: they beat him? And it's really on God. And you
Speaker 1: also you pump life back into that rival who's basically
Speaker 1: seeming to be down and out, and now you give
Speaker 1: them life, you put them back in the picture. You essentially,
Speaker 1: of course, you don't wipe it out. But those are
Speaker 1: two great wins and back to back weeks, uh that
Speaker 1: they were coming off against rivals and now you're now
Speaker 1: you have this loss, And yeah, I think with McVeigh,
Speaker 1: he's obviously a very smart guy, is one of the
Speaker 1: best young minds in football. He sees what his team is,
Speaker 1: that this is one of the best defenses in the league.
Speaker 1: The offense is not like the offense from a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, So they need to play smart and
Speaker 1: take advantage of opportunities and take advantage of short fields
Speaker 1: that their defense might give them. But when you're turning
Speaker 1: the world ball over four times, that's that's how you
Speaker 1: screw yourself, because then you you negate some of the
Speaker 1: things that make you great. So Jared Goff is supposed
Speaker 1: to be the veteran passer who's supposed to keep things
Speaker 1: in order and be Sean mcveigh's eyes and ears on
Speaker 1: the field, and he's not there for him. So I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised either that McVeigh a little little fire under
Speaker 1: him with a little public undressing. I'm glad you mentioned
Speaker 1: Donald too, because that was one of the best games
Speaker 1: he's played all year, which is saying something to me.
Speaker 1: It's like stopped looking for reasons not to give him
Speaker 1: the Defensive Player of the Year if he's the best
Speaker 1: defensive player to me, he is, um. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it's over. I would say he's you know, it's a race, um,
Speaker 1: but it's just different. You know, it's one of the
Speaker 1: all time great plane plane lights out. So I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's him and T. J. Watt and Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: and Frankly, if you're two games to Corona, like you're
Speaker 1: probably knocked out of that race to some degree. I
Speaker 1: just feel like Watts won from last year and he's
Speaker 1: been even better this year, and and he might get
Speaker 1: it because of that. That does happen that way. Listen
Speaker 1: to this d p o Y talk. Everyone's pumped up,
Speaker 1: let's move forward. Took their lunch money. It's embarrassing behind him. Touchdown, touchdown, Buffalo,
Speaker 1: whole Basley, the Gabriel Davis. How about that? John Murphy
Speaker 1: a little squeaky w g R are those cheeky Bills?
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley took the backwards pass and then hurled the
Speaker 1: oblong sphere forward for a twenty yard touchdown to Gabby Davis,
Speaker 1: the highlight real play for the bills seventeen win over
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Greg Buffalo takes one step closer to the
Speaker 1: a f CD's title you like what you saw today.
Speaker 1: I did. I thought they were as close as they
Speaker 1: could get to their first like complete game of the year.
Speaker 1: Coming out of a buy, I was like, can this
Speaker 1: defense show us something different? Down the stretch? They did
Speaker 1: one of their best games of the year. Their running
Speaker 1: game has been a problem all year. They go, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty for one, seventy two, very good. Then they have
Speaker 1: three turnovers and seven players with Josh Allen throwing one
Speaker 1: of the worst interceptions you've ever seen and also fumbling
Speaker 1: the ball in the fourth quarter and just begged the
Speaker 1: Chargers to kind of come back into this. The Bill's
Speaker 1: defense held up. That gives you just a little bit
Speaker 1: of pause. Um, that like, Okay, you didn't quite put
Speaker 1: it all together. Not that I'm worried about Josh Allen
Speaker 1: in their offense, but his decision making. We've we've talked
Speaker 1: about it. It's been a problem at times, Um, and
Speaker 1: today I think he was one for two on passes
Speaker 1: thrown for more than ten yards, So you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to expand the offense they usually do. I'm
Speaker 1: not that worried. I'd be more excited if I'm a
Speaker 1: Bills fan at the fact that they got eight QB hits,
Speaker 1: eight passes, defense, seven tackles for lost three sacks. It
Speaker 1: looked like the Bills defense from it seems like we
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, someone needs to get on Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert early and make life difficult. That appears to what
Speaker 1: to what happened today. I mean, he seemed uncomfortable. He was.
Speaker 1: That's two out of the last three weeks. They've done
Speaker 1: some pretty good jobs against him. And here's the thing
Speaker 1: with Herbert, like he still made some great plays against pressure.
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't watch this game and think like
Speaker 1: the quarterback in balance was the reason they lost. But
Speaker 1: they did make him uncomfortable. There was some miscommunications, some
Speaker 1: drops too, but they showed him a lot and uh
Speaker 1: and it was I think if you're a Bills fan,
Speaker 1: that's what you want to see, is the secondary in Trovade,
Speaker 1: tarn Avius White making a big time inter set just
Speaker 1: at the moment where you thought maybe the Chargers are
Speaker 1: gonna come back and steal this thing. Bills didn't pass
Speaker 1: a hundred yards passing until deep into the third quarter,
Speaker 1: but they ran for a hundred and seventy two yards,
Speaker 1: which was the second highest rushing total of the season.
Speaker 1: And I think that's notable because if you followed them
Speaker 1: during their what must have felt like an endless bye
Speaker 1: week coming off the Hall Murray uh in Glendale feels
Speaker 1: like four years ago. It does. Some bye weeks feel
Speaker 1: longer than others, and the Bills felt like it was
Speaker 1: about six months long. But you know, they had been
Speaker 1: talking up, we need to get this running game going.
Speaker 1: We need to get it going. So putting up a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two, that's a nice start. Uh. We
Speaker 1: thought this was gonna be an air attack between Josh
Speaker 1: Allen and Herbert, as you said, and they combined for
Speaker 1: four and fifty one yards. So again we are in
Speaker 1: the black mirror week of the NFL. Well they did.
Speaker 1: They did have about a fifty yard defensive pass interference
Speaker 1: penalties set up the first touchdown him. And I like
Speaker 1: what you said about the running game. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like the Bills have run in any game impressively before today,
Speaker 1: and Alan's running was a big, big part of it. Today.
Speaker 1: He had some big first downs with his run. Singletary
Speaker 1: reminded me of Brian Westbrook a little bit last year,
Speaker 1: and not reminded me of Brian Westbrook at all this year.
Speaker 1: And I thought Moss was slow this year, so it
Speaker 1: would be nice to see if he looked like he's
Speaker 1: got some playmaking ability. And and Anthon and Dan, I
Speaker 1: know you're kind of on Anthony Lynn watch yes, Greg
Speaker 1: as you speak with your hands over your face. Well,
Speaker 1: it was it was a tough one. It was tough.
Speaker 1: A man, he's got it. He's just so bad with
Speaker 1: the clock stuff. I mean, he's one of the worst.
Speaker 1: And it was it was at the end of the
Speaker 1: at the end of the first half, it was crazy.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of confusion at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. There was a lot of confusion. Herbert's confused,
Speaker 1: he's confused, he's in decisive he waits um and so
Speaker 1: that this is happening a lot. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they would have won the game or anything, but it's
Speaker 1: just they got to clean it up. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like that's it's a consistent problem, speaking of wasting a
Speaker 1: great effort. Joey Bosa one of the best games any
Speaker 1: defensive player had all year. He's been a monster the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks since he came back from his injury.
Speaker 1: He was just all over all, right, if you're looking
Speaker 1: for a reason Josh Allen didn't have a big day,
Speaker 1: it was Joey Bosa. What was that? Mr Sessler, It's
Speaker 1: a tough week for l A football heads PR machine
Speaker 1: is gonna have to be put into overdrive to you know,
Speaker 1: get get to get to a nice, shiny another Sunday.
Speaker 1: Put that on a T shirt. Greg like covering his
Speaker 1: mouth while he's trying to you know, I find Anthony Lynn.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, he didn't do too well. That's not it.
Speaker 1: It's because I find it so obviously. I like anyone
Speaker 1: who watched Hard Knocks, we like the guy. But it's
Speaker 1: but you know, nothing paintings me. Then some bad clock
Speaker 1: management and the Chargers I would put as the worst
Speaker 1: team in the entire NFL in clock management. And it's
Speaker 1: just every week at this point. And they're too talented
Speaker 1: to be three and eight. They got Austin Ekeler back
Speaker 1: today and he got about a hundred hundred thirty total yards.
Speaker 1: That's big. They look like a talented team. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have Derwin James, so you just have
Speaker 1: to deal with that. But they're too talented to be
Speaker 1: three and their records should be flipped. You know, like
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, I remember there was the sideline coach
Speaker 1: or assistant whose job was to help the coach with
Speaker 1: the with the clock. Did they did? They kind of
Speaker 1: phase that out because it made the head coaches look weak.
Speaker 1: If not, if they did bring it back, because some
Speaker 1: of these guys need it. Bring back the clock assistant.
Speaker 1: They needed more now than ever. The game is more
Speaker 1: complex now more than ever, and teams are able to
Speaker 1: do much more in thirty seconds than they ever could.
Speaker 1: I will assume there's people in your ear telling you
Speaker 1: about all that rest on Andy Reid, Like when I
Speaker 1: kill him, I could totally be bought out of my contract.
Speaker 1: The NFL media would not put up a fight. They'd
Speaker 1: be like, please God, I just honestly, Anthony, I just
Speaker 1: thought of the first big idea for Big Tech that
Speaker 1: we clone thirty two Greg Rosenthal's and make put them
Speaker 1: on every sideline. I feel like that's gonna have horrific
Speaker 1: uh effects on your life personally. Greg. When there's thirty one,
Speaker 1: I guess there'd be I guess you would still be here.
Speaker 1: But then we didn't make thirty two of you, so
Speaker 1: there'd be thirty three, but I would think the thirty
Speaker 1: two would probably gang together to kill you for some
Speaker 1: I mean the the implications for what it could mean
Speaker 1: for humanity, the level of like annoyingness that would just
Speaker 1: go up in the country. It would be a lot
Speaker 1: to It feels like too many. Greg's not an instigation, um,
Speaker 1: big tech off to a shaky start. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Cardona will snap it back, Bailey, pretty good, don't snap
Speaker 1: in place, swinging the right leg, kick drivel to the
Speaker 1: aplights the kick, here's good, got it again, his sucking
Speaker 1: game winner of the season, and the Patriots prevail. If
Speaker 1: the Folks are over Arizona by a twenty to seventeen finals,
Speaker 1: you have life? Where do you have? Like? Was that
Speaker 1: the bruised and battered and thoroughly beaten Scott Zolak, I
Speaker 1: believe it was. I imagine he was dressed. He was disheveled,
Speaker 1: with a big, bushy graybeard and a bottle with three
Speaker 1: xes on it. As you'd like to see you say
Speaker 1: this to Zola's face. It's not a small man, then,
Speaker 1: not a small man. Greg continues to do the good
Speaker 1: pr work. All right, Bob Sochy and Scott silk with
Speaker 1: the co I'm just saying it's probably been a tough
Speaker 1: season for Scott. We haven't heard from him much. Nick
Speaker 1: Fole kicked the fifty yard field goals, time expired and
Speaker 1: the Patriots rallied in the second half to beat the
Speaker 1: Cardinals seventeen. Mark cam Newton's numbers were ugly in this game,
Speaker 1: and the Pats couldn't even clear a hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: yards of offense, and yet they found a way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was just minutes before the Zane Gonzalez had
Speaker 1: missed a forty five yard field goal that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: in minutes before that that Erica was super annoyed at
Speaker 1: cam Newton for one of his many gaffs today. But
Speaker 1: that miss feeling that Erica, every time cam Newton makes
Speaker 1: a mistake, we do not need you to pop up
Speaker 1: in a text saying how much you hate him. He
Speaker 1: I didn't say I hate him. But he is not good.
Speaker 1: He is not good. He does not have the weapons,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have this. Yeah, it has nothing to do that.
Speaker 1: He makes mistake after mistake and and every time you
Speaker 1: need him to come up with something, he doesn't. And
Speaker 1: I'm sick of it. Sick of it. A terrible year.
Speaker 1: All right, you know what, I apologize Erica, it's your
Speaker 1: Your exact text was, you can't tell me that Cam
Speaker 1: Newton doesn't suck, and then a follow up text, he
Speaker 1: sucks so bad. Well, he's more just that like it.
Speaker 1: I feel like pent of the game text this year
Speaker 1: about from America or about Cam. I think that's what
Speaker 1: you're There's nothing else. It's only Cam. Alright, Mark, go ahead.
Speaker 1: He's only slightly polarizing. Well, he didn't suck quite as
Speaker 1: much after that missfield goal because he they got the
Speaker 1: ball back, you know, very little time. He races for
Speaker 1: a first down and then Isaiah Simmons belted him out
Speaker 1: of bounds and that was a fifteen yard flag. That
Speaker 1: basically a helmet a helmet shot. That's set up the
Speaker 1: pathway to have the game winning field goal. Um. Other
Speaker 1: than that, the offense was pretty hideous today. A little
Speaker 1: bit of it. Everything from Damien Harris. I love the
Speaker 1: way he runs, Demir Bird made a catch here and there.
Speaker 1: But they were putrid and they needed special teams to help.
Speaker 1: And they really got a big return from Dante Moncreefs
Speaker 1: set up a touchdown on a punt return or a
Speaker 1: kick return, and then gunner Olshefski had an eighty two
Speaker 1: yard punt return touchdown that was wiped out by a
Speaker 1: I thought a rather questionable illegal crackback um block that
Speaker 1: you know they went on. They went on to score
Speaker 1: a field goal, So I didn't. I heard on NBC
Speaker 1: Roddy Harrison, who's no stranger to che shots during his
Speaker 1: playing days, even he said, if you're in that position,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is stand in the guy's
Speaker 1: way and you've done your job and he's not gonna
Speaker 1: tackle your return, or when you lay into the guy,
Speaker 1: you put yourself in danger of getting the flag there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like, I'm not an ex changes.
Speaker 1: That was one of the rule changes two or three
Speaker 1: years ago that they can say. It's if it's unnecessary,
Speaker 1: if they if you kind of deem that you didn't
Speaker 1: have to do it based some of these things feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're your body is just doing football stuff
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get flagged. I mean, I look at
Speaker 1: this that one. It just it wasn't the most egregious
Speaker 1: penalty I saw today. But did they score a touchdown
Speaker 1: on that draft? No? No, So that they scored a
Speaker 1: field goal, so it took four points away, and you
Speaker 1: know they Kyler Murray. I mean, this has been a
Speaker 1: rough patch for the Cardinals. Think about the Seahawks loss
Speaker 1: and the way they lost today. Kyler Murray did not
Speaker 1: I know what they said that he was fine, that
Speaker 1: his shoulders fine. Uh. He heated up on the ground.
Speaker 1: Uh later on, but at halftime he had negative two
Speaker 1: yards rushing off of one rush. It just wasn't part
Speaker 1: of their offense. And you know he had he the
Speaker 1: Patriots is something interesting defensively, instead of just trying to
Speaker 1: rush him, there were a bunch of guys jumping trying
Speaker 1: to bat his passes and it worked. It led to
Speaker 1: a killer interception at one point. And so I just
Speaker 1: think if you take Kyler Murray and you know, second
Speaker 1: half he started to run a little bit better and
Speaker 1: their offense got going to some degree, but it was
Speaker 1: it was a pretty funky day for that for Arizona's attack,
Speaker 1: and they're just not the same if he can't be
Speaker 1: set free. It's interesting because the Patriots, it's not unusual
Speaker 1: for them to come out of a game giving other
Speaker 1: teams a blueprint. I'll be interested to see if this
Speaker 1: jumping thing takes off. I mean, it wasn't like every time,
Speaker 1: but there were a couple of plays where like they
Speaker 1: instead of trying to like charge forward and just like
Speaker 1: surround him in the pocket, there were like guys noticeably
Speaker 1: jumping up and down and it they got to him.
Speaker 1: If he threw a couple of beautiful passes like off
Speaker 1: his back foot made a completion at one one point,
Speaker 1: that was just an intriguing uh connection. But he he
Speaker 1: was uh, he was having fits today and it was
Speaker 1: a very all check in. Did they write during the telecast,
Speaker 1: did you see him shaking the arm out Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: or getting worked down on the sideline seemed to be
Speaker 1: lacking any zip? What you seeing that? I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't think that he threw the ball terribly or anything.
Speaker 1: I just think that he they got in his head,
Speaker 1: and I think that maybe it took the emphasis off
Speaker 1: the ground part of it, like him running, which is
Speaker 1: Gregg Is correctly said as for the one of the
Speaker 1: most unstoppable you know things out there in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now, and without that in the Seahawks game, I
Speaker 1: think that was one of the reasons they lost that game. Clearly,
Speaker 1: and I charted as a reason today too. Well, they
Speaker 1: had a good plan against Lamar, and they had a
Speaker 1: good plan against Kyler Murray. Especially without a lot of athleticism,
Speaker 1: They're they're not going to go after you and start rushing.
Speaker 1: They're going to kind of back up and let you know,
Speaker 1: get stop you from getting to the outside, make you
Speaker 1: come to them. He averaged about the same per pass
Speaker 1: as Cam Newton, So I mean that's a massive when
Speaker 1: when he when he is backed past. I would think
Speaker 1: you would like this game, Mark, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: an old school Patriots games. Special teams, uh, situational football,
Speaker 1: look like the inferior team. Um, maybe get a call late,
Speaker 1: which I mean it was the correct call. The hit,
Speaker 1: the late hit on Cam Newton and then you sneak
Speaker 1: out of there with the victory. My my thing on
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, maybe this isn't the time for I. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to watching this one. He's clearly didn't
Speaker 1: throw it. Well, is more that their season, when you
Speaker 1: kind of diagnose it would make sense if their defense
Speaker 1: hadn't collapsed or hasn't collapsed before this game, that they
Speaker 1: have a one million dollar quarterback leading what's been a
Speaker 1: relatively average efficient offense, but the defense goes from literally
Speaker 1: first two dead last. Uh in d v o A
Speaker 1: like the best to the absolute worst, and ultimately like
Speaker 1: the way they're constructed, that's their biggest problem. They could
Speaker 1: get by with this offense if they had like a
Speaker 1: top ten defense, but they're nowhere close to They haven't.
Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmore made it was a huge difference on DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins today, And I get all the d v o
Speaker 1: A side of it, but there's a little things that
Speaker 1: Belichick and certain coaches do that cause confusion, and I
Speaker 1: think that that was a was a difference maker today.
Speaker 1: I've they've lost how many of these games like this
Speaker 1: on the final possession? This is the one they won.
Speaker 1: They're trending up. I mean, they they're just not that talented.
Speaker 1: I think they're very well coached and they just don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent. Everything about this season for
Speaker 1: New England it feels like it's following the path that
Speaker 1: you would have expected that they're going to be better
Speaker 1: than their record, will be better than their the talent
Speaker 1: level because the coaching is so good. Uh. They still
Speaker 1: screams to me eight and eight with a ceiling of
Speaker 1: nine and seven, and they're right in that territory right now,
Speaker 1: five and six here with five games to go. Let
Speaker 1: us you're killing that defense so much, Greg, I mean
Speaker 1: nice performances performance today, I just said, maybe not the
Speaker 1: total albatross you present that as week after week. I
Speaker 1: feel like I just said, trending up. They just can't
Speaker 1: get off the field. You know, it's okay, it's not special.
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're in the wrong conference. In the NFC,
Speaker 1: they'd only be one out in the a f C.
Speaker 1: They're two out and like four teams out. Is not happening.
Speaker 1: Don't don't put that out there. We don't need the
Speaker 1: Patriots into playoffs. They're a bad, unwatchable football team. Good
Speaker 1: are you? They are awful to watch. Let us move
Speaker 1: up from your lips to godsism. We had this one
Speaker 1: off to Lottavias Murray, the great cut and he's off
Speaker 1: and running twenty ten five touchdown. Littavius Murray. What a run,
Speaker 1: my lord, What a run by Latavius Murray. They get
Speaker 1: the Broncos. Uh. This is the type of game that
Speaker 1: would keep King Kong in his cave. Come on. The
Speaker 1: Saints defense went up against the Broncos team starting a
Speaker 1: practice squad wide receiver who had zero reps at quarterback
Speaker 1: and practice this week, and it went pretty much exactly
Speaker 1: how you'd expect, and a thirty one to three win
Speaker 1: for the Saints. That is their eight straight VIC three.
Speaker 1: New Orleans allowed a hundred twelve yards in total offense
Speaker 1: and twelve passy yards a single completion by Bell Hinton.
Speaker 1: That's your trivia question. That's your trivia name. Remember Kendall
Speaker 1: Hinton Hinton, Kendall Kendall Hinton Hinton. Well, Greg, that was something.
Speaker 1: It was um. It was one of four teams to
Speaker 1: only have one completion in the last forty years. Uh,
Speaker 1: the first team since Ryan Leaf to have more interceptions
Speaker 1: uh than completions, right, I mean Ryan Leaf was a
Speaker 1: number two pick in the draft. Poor Kendall Hinton. He
Speaker 1: hasn't practiced quarterback. He's coming off the practice squad. You
Speaker 1: know what, what do you expect? If anything? I was
Speaker 1: shocked how much they threw the ball on the first
Speaker 1: drive of the game, that was sunning it well. And
Speaker 1: on third and three he throws it. It seems it
Speaker 1: seemed crazy. Right before the half, they like have him
Speaker 1: throwing trying to get points. I think the combination of
Speaker 1: Kendall Hinton and Pat Shermer like was not he was
Speaker 1: not the one who was gonna come up if the
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Williams playing wild car wildcat for you know, the
Speaker 1: whole game, Uh, to get a victory. They're playing the
Speaker 1: best team in the league in terms of total complete um, offense, defense,
Speaker 1: special teams and oh, by the way, a historically good
Speaker 1: run defense so far this year, this Saints run defense.
Speaker 1: So it's like it was gonna be tough sledding. It
Speaker 1: was the wrong matchup for it, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just move on. I don't need to hear from these
Speaker 1: Broncos fans. It's like you would have lost anyways with
Speaker 1: Drew Lock and then you'd even feel worse about your
Speaker 1: quarterback after he threw three or four interceptions. So pipe
Speaker 1: that way, are Broncos fans still honking they it's on it.
Speaker 1: It really bothers me. I can tell you they're not
Speaker 1: my mentions anymore. No, they're honking about today that the
Speaker 1: game should have been canceled, that they're mad at the NFL,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of the reporters are too, which seems
Speaker 1: insane to me because Vic Fangio, who's a grown up,
Speaker 1: immediately after the game rightly said I'm I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: this with my quarterbacks, let's listen to I was disappointed,
Speaker 1: um on a couple of levels in that that our
Speaker 1: quarterbacks put us in this position, that put our quarterbacks
Speaker 1: put the league in that position. You know, there's there.
Speaker 1: We count on them to be the leaders of the
Speaker 1: team and you know, leaders of the offense, and those
Speaker 1: guys made a mistake and that that is disappointing and
Speaker 1: we should make it clear what exactly happened. It was
Speaker 1: Jeff Driscoll, I believe, who tested positive for COVID nineteen,
Speaker 1: and then everyone else in the Broccos quarterback room admitted
Speaker 1: that there was a time when they were together in
Speaker 1: a close room with Driscoll that they didn't have their
Speaker 1: masks on, which puts them into that protocol even if
Speaker 1: they had not tested positive themselves. So it eliminated their
Speaker 1: entire quarterback room for week twelve. Right, they've they've got
Speaker 1: cameras on this stuff. There's also wrist bands, and that
Speaker 1: might have been part of it too, in terms of
Speaker 1: like knowing where they are it's like, what do you
Speaker 1: need to take it seriously? What do you like, what
Speaker 1: what's it gonna take for the player, the country, like
Speaker 1: anyone to take it seriously. It's it's crazy to me
Speaker 1: that people were upset with anyone but there this wasn't
Speaker 1: an outbreak. It was one guy. It was one guy
Speaker 1: getting sick and the others, you know, not really caring
Speaker 1: about like what the rules are, which are like very established,
Speaker 1: which are very like pretty easy to follow, and it's
Speaker 1: like very clear. So I guess I'm like confused. Way
Speaker 1: to my friend, this is it's this. Our country is
Speaker 1: struggled so much with this and hopefully there's a light
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel with this vaccine. And
Speaker 1: it turns out West that we're gonna need the vaccine
Speaker 1: to save our asses because we cannot seem to wrap
Speaker 1: our heads around how to properly protect ourselves. We've been
Speaker 1: divided and common sense is going out the window. It's
Speaker 1: been politics instead of common sense. And I don't know
Speaker 1: how politics entered this football discussion, but but Greg's totally right.
Speaker 1: Broncos fans are crazy for trying to defend their team here,
Speaker 1: and Fansio is right. The quarterbacks put their team into position.
Speaker 1: Any other thoughts on the game. A Taysom Hill said
Speaker 1: after the game, don't look at my terrible passing numbers,
Speaker 1: because we once we realized the dire situation of the
Speaker 1: Denver offense with their quarterback, we completely shifted our game plan.
Speaker 1: I listen, as you know, we talked about this last week,
Speaker 1: and that's an ungenerous paraphrase of what I am. Not
Speaker 1: a Taysom Hill believer. But I also cannot kill him
Speaker 1: too much here because it was a weird, stupid game
Speaker 1: in a weird stupid year. But I will just say
Speaker 1: that the two teams combined, I believe for about seventy
Speaker 1: one passing yards. Well, I will defend you from some
Speaker 1: criticism you took last week over Taysom Hill. I thought
Speaker 1: it was actually in contrast to most of the criticism
Speaker 1: of Taysom Hill, which is just to find him laughable
Speaker 1: and a punchline. I thought yours had a very specific
Speaker 1: point to it. Okay, good, and well you did. It
Speaker 1: was can this guy actually play a quarterback? Kenny goes
Speaker 1: through his progressions? Can he played quarterback the way quarterbacks
Speaker 1: play the game? And I didn't see today's game. But
Speaker 1: from the tweet saw Sol mentioned that had to beginning
Speaker 1: question today. Oh no, he struggled, he was, he was.
Speaker 1: I don't care what they say about changing the game plan.
Speaker 1: I get it. It It was more run heavy. On his
Speaker 1: first twenty six dropbacks or sixteen dropbacks, they had twenty
Speaker 1: five yards. He took two sacks. He held the ball forever,
Speaker 1: their guys right in front of him open and he
Speaker 1: and he didn't deliver it. Uh, he fumbled the ball again.
Speaker 1: That's that's six on the year. Uh. He helped, you
Speaker 1: know in the running game, and he's great on the
Speaker 1: goal line. And eventually he put together a couple of
Speaker 1: passes later. Um, but it was about as discouraging uh
Speaker 1: pure passing performances as he possibly could have had. The
Speaker 1: I mean, they were averaging under two yards per play
Speaker 1: for most of the game. Uh, the run game was good,
Speaker 1: and it didn't in the end. It didn't matter. And
Speaker 1: they did string a couple of plays together late in
Speaker 1: the game, which I think Sean Payton wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Think of it this way, though, and this benefits potentially
Speaker 1: all four of us and others. If he plays himself
Speaker 1: clearly plays himself out out of a starting role or
Speaker 1: a future starting role. Then it's one outrageously tedious offseason
Speaker 1: storyline we just don't deal with. That's that's true. I
Speaker 1: one thought, just one not so out of the box lot.
Speaker 1: But just if Taysom Hill is indeed this limited, I
Speaker 1: want to say also that Alvin Kamara has not really
Speaker 1: been a big part of this offense now since Taysom
Speaker 1: Hill took over. He didn't have a catch today. He
Speaker 1: had one catch I believe for negative two yards last week. Um,
Speaker 1: and now you have Taysom Hill the goal line. It
Speaker 1: just seems to it's messed with the flow. What was
Speaker 1: a special year for Kamara. Isn't this team potentially better
Speaker 1: with a more qualified quarterback in Jamis Winston behind center,
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara in a role with a standard quarterback more
Speaker 1: or less, and then Taysom Hill being mixed in the
Speaker 1: way he was before. Isn't that potentially a much better
Speaker 1: offense than what we're going to be. Uh, what's going
Speaker 1: to be unfurled upon us for the rest of the
Speaker 1: year potentially just thrown out out there. That's a lot
Speaker 1: to take from one game, right, I would say that,
Speaker 1: says an says Alvin Kamara's fantasy owner. You know that's
Speaker 1: I feel like, I hear you. But they've won two
Speaker 1: games in convincing blowouts, so I we'll see if he's
Speaker 1: a long term answer. But Breeze is going to be
Speaker 1: back in a couple of weeks, and at this point,
Speaker 1: they're gonna move, They're gonna move it forward. I don't
Speaker 1: take too much negative out of one game either, and
Speaker 1: I think last week was almost it was almost all positive,
Speaker 1: and you move forward. That's what I say too. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not killing Taysom Hill in this game. It
Speaker 1: was a weird, stupid game. But just let's keep an
Speaker 1: eye on it. Let's see what happens. Who do they
Speaker 1: get next week? He's killing Cabarra's fantasy season. I hear you.
Speaker 1: I don't know it's coming back. I know if that's honestly,
Speaker 1: that's not what's behind it. It's it's just I thought
Speaker 1: that this team was cooking with Kamara as the motor
Speaker 1: is going to be cooking if if it's going to
Speaker 1: be in this direction, who they've They've outscored their two
Speaker 1: opponents fifty five to twelve, So I I do, I
Speaker 1: do think it's a team game in This team is
Speaker 1: looking to be the number one seed in the NFC,
Speaker 1: and I think they could do that with Taysom hill
Speaker 1: or or Breeze. All Right, I asked twice, didn't get
Speaker 1: any help. Let me look this up. I told you
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta falconsa screaming at the same time. The
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. All right, that's a that's a plus matchup.
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. Let's move on control fires. He's
Speaker 1: got a receiver touchdown and Shaneen his third touchdown of
Speaker 1: the ear. Ryan Fitzpatrick threw two touchdown passes in place
Speaker 1: of an injury to a tongue of by Law, and
Speaker 1: the Dolphins became the latest defense to flamm x of
Speaker 1: Sam Donald led Jets attack twenty three. The Dolphins win
Speaker 1: at the meadow Lands. Miami's defense played very well in
Speaker 1: this game. Two interceptions. They're up to seventeen straight games
Speaker 1: with at least one takeaway. That's the best in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick delivered Ryan Fitzpatrick type game. He didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't kill the team with turnovers, so uh and he
Speaker 1: threw two touchdowns. Uh. So, I just think he's been
Speaker 1: since he's gotten there. He's been everything that Dolphins could
Speaker 1: have hoped for and more. He was great or he
Speaker 1: was rock solid before he got benched for Tuah. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's come back in now and he nearly brought them
Speaker 1: back uh with a comeback last week and now um
Speaker 1: he beats the Jets soundly, and um, so the Dolphins
Speaker 1: get back in the right direction. Two is gonna be
Speaker 1: an interesting thing to watch here because the thumb injury.
Speaker 1: Saw a report this morning that the thumb injury that
Speaker 1: kept two out this week is uh something that could
Speaker 1: stick with and Brian Flores was asked after the game
Speaker 1: of two, is still the starter? Yeah, if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's that guy. I don't know how many different ways
Speaker 1: we have to continue to say that. You keep asking,
Speaker 1: I'll keep answering the same way. So we'll see how
Speaker 1: too looks in practice this week. But Fitzpatrick fills in,
Speaker 1: does the job, and the Jets are one step closer
Speaker 1: to Trevor Lawrence or own six teen or both and
Speaker 1: their schedule that this might have been their last chance
Speaker 1: to win week Week seventeen, who they were up ten on,
Speaker 1: But until then, it's pretty rough. Belichick's not losing to
Speaker 1: the Jets and we got the Browns too. I got
Speaker 1: that one in the bag already, that one like that one. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'd be interested to know what
Speaker 1: you'd be rooting for to happen in that game. You
Speaker 1: know we've got We've got a few weeks. I think
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze should I don't know. Well that too, he
Speaker 1: he said, he said Sam Donald was he thought Sam
Speaker 1: Donald was pressing. Sam Donald said he wasn't pressing. Adam
Speaker 1: Gaze caught caught in a lie that yes, I have
Speaker 1: that too, calling the plays. All right, So let me
Speaker 1: set this up. So last week there was a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation because Adam Gates had given away play calling
Speaker 1: to Darryl Loggin's the offensive coordinator. Uh, and then he
Speaker 1: took it back. I believe last week was that what
Speaker 1: the conversation was. And then and then this week, Uh,
Speaker 1: the reporters are asking who was calling the plays because
Speaker 1: it didn't look like the OC was doing it, and
Speaker 1: Gates would not budge with the reporters. Here's here's how
Speaker 1: the interplay went. I didn't take over. We did this.
Speaker 1: We've done the same thing in the last four games.
Speaker 1: We were watching Dallas for the whole game. He wasn't
Speaker 1: doing anything. I mean he was just standing there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he tells me, which is not hard. This is not hard.
Speaker 1: We go through it the drive before. Hey, these are
Speaker 1: the three plays. I do the third downs. So what
Speaker 1: happens after the three players when you have a series?
Speaker 1: Because we were watching one where Dala was talking to
Speaker 1: Frank Pollock. He wasn't calling the play as you were.
Speaker 1: What part of the game was it? I want to busted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when we got and I was trying to do some
Speaker 1: of the two minutes stuff, you know, Matt Patricia got
Speaker 1: fired Greg and we're gonna talk about that in a
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh. And that's now three head coaches that
Speaker 1: have been sent off. I don't know how much it
Speaker 1: really helps a team to get a quote unquote head
Speaker 1: start in this game. But if this is on any
Speaker 1: level impeding the Jets or having to Jets fall behind
Speaker 1: these other teams, which I'm not saying it is, they
Speaker 1: could be doing a ton of work behind the scenes
Speaker 1: right now. But the guy is a total laughing stock
Speaker 1: and there's no reason to have him in the building.
Speaker 1: Why and why why is he lying? Right? I mean,
Speaker 1: firing him would be a showing him mercy. If you
Speaker 1: want to punish Adam Gaze, let let him continue to
Speaker 1: coach and get caught in lies, Like sometimes you're just
Speaker 1: lying about something that means so little. What does it matter?
Speaker 1: Just just tell the truth. Like like I think he's
Speaker 1: like lost track of why he's even lying. He's well,
Speaker 1: he tells me the first three plays. Wait, so he's
Speaker 1: saying that they're calling the plays by one. Guy says
Speaker 1: the first three plays and then and then Adam Gates
Speaker 1: calls what the guy wants to call it that there
Speaker 1: was a perfect question, what about the next three? They've
Speaker 1: scored three points against Brian Flores's Dolphins this year in
Speaker 1: two games and in it in the year, with every
Speaker 1: offensive advantage possible, they've scored three points against the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: I think there is an advantage to to just clearing
Speaker 1: out this cancer. And you know, the Panthers zeroed in
Speaker 1: on matt rule before early because of getting because of
Speaker 1: deciding they wanted to go in a different direction other teams.
Speaker 1: I think that's the wave of the future. And if
Speaker 1: you're the Jets, if you're Joe Douglas, Joe Douglass, I
Speaker 1: hope doesn't in his mind have any reason to be
Speaker 1: loyal to Gae or keep him at all. I know
Speaker 1: what he said a couple of times. I don't take
Speaker 1: any of it at face value at all. I would
Speaker 1: remove Gaze immediately based on track record. He might not be.
Speaker 1: It's probably not Joe douglass decision to make based on
Speaker 1: the Jets ownership's track Well, then that should annoy Joe
Speaker 1: Douglas because it should be someone that Joe Douglas wants
Speaker 1: to work with into the future that in their critical
Speaker 1: offseason doesn't necessarily happen in a vacuum either. I would
Speaker 1: think Douglas is part of the conversation with ownership, but
Speaker 1: his ownership that ultimately makes this. This is all moodpoint though.
Speaker 1: There's no way Adam Gates comes out of this alive.
Speaker 1: It's just a question of whether he gets fired in December, tomorrow,
Speaker 1: December or January four. Yes, considering how they've played under
Speaker 1: Gaze and how the Browns played when Greg Williams took
Speaker 1: over his interim coach, doesn't allowing Gays to stay give
Speaker 1: them the best chance of keeping or getting Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: Bingo West. There are a lot of Jets fans that
Speaker 1: are saying that, don't fire him because that helps the
Speaker 1: team keep losing. You don't want to get any shot
Speaker 1: in the arm, and isn't that the most important thing
Speaker 1: to get Lawrence? Now? I think that's that potentially could
Speaker 1: be it, and I guess that's the only way that
Speaker 1: it would make sense keeping around, because he just makes
Speaker 1: the organization looks so bad week after weeks. Some of
Speaker 1: his play calling was just an abomination in this game,
Speaker 1: giving the ball to Frank Gore over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. They had a The Dolphins didn't play extremely
Speaker 1: well on offense in this game. In fact, they turned
Speaker 1: it over twice in the second half and giving the
Speaker 1: Jet great field position and Donald in the offense can't
Speaker 1: do anything. Frank Gore runs into a wall on fourth
Speaker 1: and one at the nineteen late in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: and that was about it. And my last thought on
Speaker 1: this is Sam Donald. I wish him the best of
Speaker 1: luck wherever he ends up. But it's getting to the
Speaker 1: point where the Jets, even if they look into a
Speaker 1: few wins and don't have the number one pick, they
Speaker 1: might be looking to replace Donald anyway, because Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: is outplayed him this year, like he had all of
Speaker 1: his wide receivers on the field. I think he's just
Speaker 1: been Adam Gates is just I think messed with his
Speaker 1: mind so much that he's just not out there playing
Speaker 1: free and easy. And you see it and how tidy
Speaker 1: is and the mistakes he makes so ugly stuff. Ugly stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's check in with the other New York team. Alan
Speaker 1: back to throw. He's gonna get sacked. The ball is
Speaker 1: loose and don't recovered by the Giants at the thirty
Speaker 1: eight yard line. Jo Paul Sheer got the second, Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams covered it up. Bob Papa w f a n
Speaker 1: with the call. The first place New York Giants, the
Speaker 1: first place. Jim Er Big Blue got to Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: Phill and Brandon ll and forced the fumble and recovered.
Speaker 1: It was the decisive play in a nineteen to seventeen win.
Speaker 1: Al threw for just a hundred and thirty six yards
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati Mustard just a hundred fifty five total yards
Speaker 1: of offense. Gregg. The Giants lost Daniel Jones to a
Speaker 1: hamstring injury in this one. What's the early word there,
Speaker 1: dey'ill evaluate him. It's such a tricky injury. He was
Speaker 1: standing on the sideline walking around, so it didn't look
Speaker 1: like the most serious thing, but they didn't want to
Speaker 1: risk it getting worse. Colt McCoy entered a game essentially
Speaker 1: with a thirteen to ten lead. He entered at ten ten,
Speaker 1: almost threw an interception on his first pass, and then
Speaker 1: Mark's sons Namesake Um settled down and stayed out of
Speaker 1: the way and handed the ball off. It's amazing. The
Speaker 1: Bengals had the ball at the fifty yard line with
Speaker 1: enough time, only down too, with a chance to win
Speaker 1: this game. The Giants dominated almost in every way possible,
Speaker 1: almost you know, tripled their total yardage at one point,
Speaker 1: it was like three seventy two hundred um. But a
Speaker 1: special teams play, fumbles everything, uh, you know that they
Speaker 1: could do to keep the Bengals in it. They did it,
Speaker 1: and they almost let it slip away. But their defense,
Speaker 1: which we've talked about a lot this year, saved him.
Speaker 1: Lenny Williams is having a great year and Jabal shared
Speaker 1: was a nice pick up off the street. As they say,
Speaker 1: we shared on the street man. He he always makes
Speaker 1: some plays. It's a good question. Week thirteen. This division
Speaker 1: is up for grabs and it's in the hands of
Speaker 1: Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, quote McCoy and Jalen Hurts about
Speaker 1: to get the most snaps he's ever gotten as a
Speaker 1: quarterback in Philadelphia, McCoy missed like a wide open short
Speaker 1: pass to a wide receiver on third down. I thought, yikes, Um,
Speaker 1: it is tremendous that he's back on the field. I
Speaker 1: celebrated in my else. Um, but I I don't know,
Speaker 1: like how if they lose Daniel Jones for a while.
Speaker 1: I means also cost games for them to half the times.
Speaker 1: But I until the best coach team in this division, right,
Speaker 1: they mean he came in. He he threw ten e
Speaker 1: threw ten passes for thirty one yards and and probably
Speaker 1: should have been intercepted. They had many I mean that
Speaker 1: sounds like what would They had many moments where they
Speaker 1: should have put the game away and just different ways
Speaker 1: kept let him in there. Um, if Jones can play
Speaker 1: next week, I thought this was his His best two
Speaker 1: games of the entire season were the last two. He
Speaker 1: played great in this game. It doesn't quite show up
Speaker 1: in the box score, but he he really made good decisions,
Speaker 1: had a lot of third and longs, Darius Slayton dropped
Speaker 1: an eight yard bomb that that would have changed, uh
Speaker 1: the score. You know Ingram fumbled one in the red zone.
Speaker 1: But he made a lot of really good decisions, made
Speaker 1: a lot of good throws. He played well today. We
Speaker 1: should fire this one up on game pass, that's what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I wouldn't go that far. The Bengals had
Speaker 1: like six first downs in the first fifty seven minutes
Speaker 1: of the game. That is not an exaggeration. Just take
Speaker 1: a look at the take a look at the Giants.
Speaker 1: Giants to win this division feels very childhood esque. Have
Speaker 1: quietly now won four of six and three in a row. Uh,
Speaker 1: they have at Seattle home, Arizona home Browns, at Ravens
Speaker 1: home Cowboys. Okay, it still seems like everyone's gonna go
Speaker 1: six and ten. That's a tough one. The the Washington
Speaker 1: the other teams. I think I'll have two division games left.
Speaker 1: They only have one, which does not help the Giants chances.
Speaker 1: You gotta play four straight winning teams. But I think
Speaker 1: that if Daniel Jones is healthy, they can beat some
Speaker 1: winning teams. If McCoy is there, they're not. This is
Speaker 1: not good. Developing news from Jordan's Ronn and Nan Reigning
Speaker 1: of ESPN. A source told ESPN the initial belief is
Speaker 1: that it's a quote pretty bad hamstring injury. More tests
Speaker 1: are scheduled Monday to determine the full extent of the injury.
Speaker 1: So if it's you know, if it's the type of
Speaker 1: hamstring injury that's that you know, bad, that's multi week injury. Potentially,
Speaker 1: that is not good, especially a guy that, uh, you
Speaker 1: know uses his legs. We talked about that since se
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley went down the way, he's been able to
Speaker 1: make plays with his legs. If if that's going to
Speaker 1: be compromised, that is bad news for the Giantswood good
Speaker 1: news for Colt McCoy and Culled Sessler ultimately, Mark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think cult Sessler totally apathetic to the development. But
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy, he's a survivor. He's hung around this league
Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting to see what happens here. All right, Wes,
Speaker 1: we've reached the time of the show where we trade
Speaker 1: out one bald man for another. But we always enjoy
Speaker 1: your your time with us. Yeah, thanks for having me it, Uh,
Speaker 1: it really does liven up my day. My weekend. So
Speaker 1: pleasure to be here, Pleasure to hear from the listeners
Speaker 1: on on Mondays all throughout the year when I've been
Speaker 1: able to be on Awesome, make sure you hit up
Speaker 1: Wes check in with him. Shouldn't share your takes. Listen
Speaker 1: if you said, if we said something that you didn't
Speaker 1: agree with on on today's show, I'm sure he'd be
Speaker 1: open to hearing from you on that too. Rights, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's hear it, chooks. When I think Wes um, I
Speaker 1: think like lots of patients with people coming after him
Speaker 1: on Twitter, That's like what I think. First, that's the
Speaker 1: stamp alright, special man, And there is Nick Shook. What's up, Schookie? Hey?
Speaker 1: How you do? Look at you? Do you have a
Speaker 1: little extra skip in your step here? Because not only um,
Speaker 1: are you gonna do games with us today, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing Cleveland Browns football. Yeah, yeah, your old employer.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. What caused the end of that arrangement?
Speaker 1: We'll never know. Let's let's listen in to the Clevelands
Speaker 1: Mayfield takes you play action Pike to hunt, he Crows
Speaker 1: end zone open, Hooper touchdown, Oh Stuard Hooper. Well, Baker
Speaker 1: lighting right in the bright pass. Good there, Doc Jim
Speaker 1: Donovan with a called w K r K Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: through two touchdown passes, including that strike the tight end
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper and Nick Chubb sealed the game with the
Speaker 1: first down late in the brown over the Jags at
Speaker 1: the Big Chlorine Tank. Shook your beloved Brownies around the
Speaker 1: doorstep of a playoff return because they continue to beat
Speaker 1: the teams they should. Yeah, I think that's all you
Speaker 1: can ask of a team like this. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think the Browns or anything to necessarily consider when
Speaker 1: you when you talk about, you know, the the a
Speaker 1: f C contenders per se. But I think they make
Speaker 1: the playoffs if they win games like this and yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and the way that their schedule lays out for them,
Speaker 1: unless they a clunker against the Jets and the Giants,
Speaker 1: they have a fairly good shot at this point in
Speaker 1: eight three to make it. But it wasn't easy. You know, Greg,
Speaker 1: you'll I think you'll point this, you pointed this out
Speaker 1: last week, and I'm sure you'll you'll back this up
Speaker 1: a little bit too, is the Jaguars have played better
Speaker 1: defense the last few weeks. They played a really tight
Speaker 1: game against the Packers. They're not as bad as you
Speaker 1: think on that side of the ball. And Mike Glennon
Speaker 1: is a step up from Jake Lewton. As you know
Speaker 1: you saw today. He he wasent, Mike Glennon, just letting
Speaker 1: it rip. He's got, you know, living like there's no tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And he had a nice little he had a dime
Speaker 1: of a touchdown pass really another one to Tyler Eifer
Speaker 1: in the end zone. It made me wonder what year
Speaker 1: it was to check the calendar and make sure it
Speaker 1: was twenty. But uh, you know, he he kept them,
Speaker 1: he gave him a chance, and he made them competitive.
Speaker 1: But the Browns did what they had to do. And
Speaker 1: and the big thing for me was if you're Doug
Speaker 1: Moron and and you're in a two point game and
Speaker 1: you just scored. You didn't get the two point conversion,
Speaker 1: but you got all the momentum on your side. And
Speaker 1: you can debate the legitimacy of momentum at another time,
Speaker 1: but right now, you've got all the momentum on your side,
Speaker 1: and you decide to kick off to one of the
Speaker 1: better teams in the NFL closing games because of their
Speaker 1: rushing attack and then that's exactly what you get. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just makes you think, like, did you not consider
Speaker 1: your opponent in that in that position, because the Browns
Speaker 1: were they were really at that point. But lucky for
Speaker 1: them and credit to them, they can close the game
Speaker 1: and they won this one today. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a better fourth quarter rushing team right now that
Speaker 1: maybe that's their strength, and it's it's overt and you
Speaker 1: know to your point, if you're Doug Marone, you know
Speaker 1: it's coming your way. And their defense did play well,
Speaker 1: and this seemed like a game Cleveland tried to lose
Speaker 1: um in multiple uh different way. I mean, they the
Speaker 1: refs seemed at some point to be interested in the
Speaker 1: point spread. That was my other take, but um uh
Speaker 1: it was I come aways thinking it was a positive
Speaker 1: game for Baker Mayfield to some degree. But there is
Speaker 1: this s Baker Mayfield thing. Every I feel like every start,
Speaker 1: there are two or three passes that just leave you
Speaker 1: like shaking your head, missing guys open in the end zone.
Speaker 1: There was a very clear chance to hit Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: on what would have been a pretty game ceiling type
Speaker 1: completion just to short out and he he threw him
Speaker 1: weird a little bit wide, and cream Hunt had a
Speaker 1: look on his on his face kind of like dude, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. But the Browns like this was a classic game.
Speaker 1: They would have lost, and they use their strength at
Speaker 1: the end, and they've done that game after game when
Speaker 1: they've won. The two hundred yards rushing thing is becoming
Speaker 1: a norm for them, which is just such a shocking
Speaker 1: sight to Browns fans um that have been watching this
Speaker 1: team fizzle up for twenty five plus years. Chook, are
Speaker 1: you saying I should maybe come after? It's too bad
Speaker 1: West isn't here, But you know I could text them
Speaker 1: or whatever and start reigniting our Mike Glennon debates often
Speaker 1: like I still have a chance to win this one.
Speaker 1: Glennon fevers coming back. No, no, you can leave here
Speaker 1: anything your long neck debates at home, that's not happening.
Speaker 1: But never back to the worst quarter. He he is
Speaker 1: my zach Mettenberger. I am to Mike Glennan, what Mark
Speaker 1: is the Zach metten Mistakes are made, Mistakes are made.
Speaker 1: There were is a momentum after they pulled within two
Speaker 1: on the Ifford touchdown where he scrambles on the two
Speaker 1: point conversion and he has a pathway to the end
Speaker 1: zone to tie the game. And then, to his credit,
Speaker 1: he understands that he's Mike Lennon and he's limited in
Speaker 1: almost every way. Uh, and he he realizes he needs
Speaker 1: to peel back and throw a prayer to the back
Speaker 1: of the end zone, a prayer that was unanswered. But
Speaker 1: it did, it did, Uh, it was. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: notable that the Brown struggle to close out the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: but in the Jaguars credit, this is not a team
Speaker 1: that is has given up hope and they have played
Speaker 1: tightly and I'm you know again, and we talked about
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. The Jackson lost tenor row.
Speaker 1: Today they fired Dave caldwell Um, their general manager, who
Speaker 1: had been there since January two thirteen. Changes are obviously
Speaker 1: coming there, but this is not a team that is
Speaker 1: completely uh, throwing in the towel and getting blown out
Speaker 1: week after week and that and that is a credit
Speaker 1: to Doug Marone. But you know what, going back to
Speaker 1: your point, uh, Mike Glennon, if he's going acent all out,
Speaker 1: living like there's no tomorrow, Mike Lennon, you go for
Speaker 1: the goal line there. Look, you're part of bald games.
Speaker 1: You have no fears. You've embraced the straight razor to
Speaker 1: your head. You have no fears. I don't care if
Speaker 1: Karl Joseph is bearing down on you. You dive for
Speaker 1: that pylon because you might never get another chance, at
Speaker 1: least in Jacksonville, or maybe it's next week. Who knows
Speaker 1: to do that again? And yet he dropped back and
Speaker 1: throw choke as a as And what did you go
Speaker 1: fully shaved when I was twenty three? So you went young.
Speaker 1: You made a decision. You so where things were headed,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, and you made that choice and it works
Speaker 1: for you. Did you find it to be liberating and
Speaker 1: freeing in a way that made you feel more bold
Speaker 1: or confident? Yeah? I would say it added to it, because, um,
Speaker 1: you know, looking back, I think the photos that the
Speaker 1: evidence was all there. I think I waited way too long.
Speaker 1: And what was really the turning point for me was
Speaker 1: somebody shot a video of me from behind and I
Speaker 1: saw the bald spot coming in the back of my
Speaker 1: head and that night I went and grabbed the clippers
Speaker 1: shades it off. Haven't had any hair since. And you
Speaker 1: know what people say then, and I'm sure, you get
Speaker 1: this a lot about your hair and about my lack
Speaker 1: of hair. I look better without here there. I mean,
Speaker 1: some people do it, and I think it's unfair and
Speaker 1: cheap to take shots at Glennon's physical appearance. So I
Speaker 1: will say nothing on how Glennon looks without hair, but um,
Speaker 1: some people pull it off better than others. And you
Speaker 1: and West both I believe, improve yourselves a great dude
Speaker 1: and ended up with hot babes as a result. You
Speaker 1: gotta find out you don't have like you What if
Speaker 1: you learn you have like little bumps and stuff all
Speaker 1: over your head, Like I was worried about that, and
Speaker 1: I hope they didn't have an egg shade ted, but
Speaker 1: luckily it was. It's pretty round, so you know that's
Speaker 1: how it works. You know. Jaguar's fans, I do want
Speaker 1: to just say quickly on called like they should be happy,
Speaker 1: you know. I think they have to be encouraged that
Speaker 1: they're changing it up from David Colly. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: big issues and because they're Jacksonville, this it's slipped pretty
Speaker 1: under the radar. But he's been there since they are
Speaker 1: thirty seven and eighty seven. Over those years, like imagine
Speaker 1: like if a New York GM had gone thirty seven
Speaker 1: and eighty seven, they had. They've had one season with
Speaker 1: more than six wins in all those years, so there's
Speaker 1: nothing personal, but it's like they I'm glad. I think
Speaker 1: they went into this year kind of knowing that they
Speaker 1: were gonna fire Maron and Cadwell at the end of it,
Speaker 1: barring anything crazy, and nothing crazy has happened and they
Speaker 1: needed a restart those seven years. How many years or
Speaker 1: how many Pro Bowlers do you expect the GM to draft?
Speaker 1: I don't know, not your standard one a year one,
Speaker 1: you know, per because he drafted almost all the play
Speaker 1: to win the game they want. They want more than
Speaker 1: six games once every rule trying to help you, how
Speaker 1: many GMS survived drafting Blake Bortles? Usually that would be
Speaker 1: you'd be gone, you know. And that's the damn evidence
Speaker 1: right there. Greg. Did you make the the Cardinals senterer
Speaker 1: of omitting a coach or court or players playoff numbers
Speaker 1: when you gave his life time record, because that should
Speaker 1: count more that that's fair. Let's they won the two
Speaker 1: playoff games, should have beaten the Patriots. The hand of
Speaker 1: God came in on the Miles Jack fumble recovery and
Speaker 1: it's been all down here. How about how about your
Speaker 1: number one overall defense, best defense ever, doesn't cough up
Speaker 1: a ten point lead? Choked it? Come on, that was
Speaker 1: That was a bad call. That was six points the
Speaker 1: other way, and you know it, that's the game right
Speaker 1: there in that spot that it was. It was a
Speaker 1: call you see like every week. It wasn't that crazy.
Speaker 1: There's no sense litigating at that's the past. Dave Caldwell
Speaker 1: is the past, and I would imagine Doug Brown will
Speaker 1: join him, just not yet. And since we're on the
Speaker 1: topic of dismissals, we should hit something that happened on Saturday,
Speaker 1: uh forty eight hours after the Lines were embarrassed at
Speaker 1: home against the Texans, their second straight blowout loss, when
Speaker 1: they seemed to be in the playoff mix and were
Speaker 1: uh well, that was the final straw for Lions management.
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia fired as head coach, Bob Quinn fired general manager.
Speaker 1: It ends um a nearly three season run for Patricia
Speaker 1: where they just never got things going. Uh. He was
Speaker 1: hired to get them the next step, take them the
Speaker 1: next step after back to back nine and seven seasons,
Speaker 1: and they never got there, Patricia is sent on his way.
Speaker 1: Mark a guy that listen, he'll get a job again
Speaker 1: as a d C, I imagine. But this is one
Speaker 1: of those head coaching UH situations where you probably don't
Speaker 1: get another shot when it goes this poorly. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just we're talking about general managers and coaches developing Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl players and I I think my thing with the Lions,
Speaker 1: Bob Quinn Matt Patricia, I thought, you know, you come in,
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to change the persona of the Lions
Speaker 1: that we've kind of ripped on and um suffered through
Speaker 1: for so long and nothing changed, and there seemed to
Speaker 1: be no real vision. And you know, yes, you came
Speaker 1: from the New England Patriots, but there was no resemblance
Speaker 1: to New England Patriots. UM. Unlike a lot of new coaches,
Speaker 1: you had an established quarterback in Matt Stafford, and those
Speaker 1: years were lost and wasted. So I would hope that
Speaker 1: you know, A this is a signal that this new
Speaker 1: version of ownership is not going to just sort of
Speaker 1: float through seasons with coaches and gms that aren't successful.
Speaker 1: But this is as a critical a moment for the
Speaker 1: Lions as there's been because you're dealing. We've seen these
Speaker 1: terrible losing teams. If fifteen year old in Detroit has
Speaker 1: no reason to spend time watching the Lions, you're gonna
Speaker 1: lose generations of fans because anyone under I mean, when
Speaker 1: was the last competitive No, I mean, but I'd say
Speaker 1: someone that you know, maybe grew up with it during
Speaker 1: Wayne Fonts and some of those years. It got you know,
Speaker 1: it started there at this point, like you gotta tell
Speaker 1: your city and your fan base we care. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make an important higher that's going to change this and
Speaker 1: it starts with an exciting higher. Frankly Well, Jim Caldwell's
Speaker 1: raising his hand because they were competitive, at least with him.
Speaker 1: They were nine and seven, like I said, those last
Speaker 1: two years. But they That's why the hiring and now
Speaker 1: the post mortem it looks so bad for the lines
Speaker 1: because this is a team that was for most of
Speaker 1: the nineties and into the two thousand's the bad team
Speaker 1: of the NFL, the laughing stock. And then you finally
Speaker 1: got the organization to a place where they were right
Speaker 1: on the precipice of being a contender. But you say, no,
Speaker 1: we're stopping this train. We're hopping on this other train
Speaker 1: and bringing the Patriot Way into town and then it
Speaker 1: just blows up in their face and nearly every way imaginable.
Speaker 1: Uh So, you know, I guess good on new ownership.
Speaker 1: There's there's a change at the top of the food
Speaker 1: chain of Detroit. For I'm not giving them any good.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving them. I'm giving them bad actually because
Speaker 1: they're keeping the same executive. You know, we talked about
Speaker 1: Easter be a lot. They're keeping the same executive who's
Speaker 1: been there the whole time. His name is Rodwood. Again,
Speaker 1: it's nothing personal, but it's the same family that's owned
Speaker 1: the team, and it's the same executive that's been here
Speaker 1: through a lot of this and he's the one ultimately
Speaker 1: running this search. And I'm talking about back in you
Speaker 1: know before called well like it. It goes back years
Speaker 1: and years. There's no there's no particular reason to think
Speaker 1: anything would be changing, you know, like like, well, you
Speaker 1: can hire the right general manager. I'm not saying he will,
Speaker 1: You're saying that this guy is not capable of doing it.
Speaker 1: I The only three end giving is they are trying
Speaker 1: to move forward and realizing this was a mistake. They
Speaker 1: got the GM and the head coach out of there,
Speaker 1: and maybe the people and it won't be just him
Speaker 1: making the decision. I understand that Sheilla ford hamp is
Speaker 1: going to be involved with this as well. Maybe she
Speaker 1: knows what she's doing and it's a good judge of
Speaker 1: certain things, Tumble, I would look out for her. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's they're they're hitting the reboot button again,
Speaker 1: and you just hope if you're a Lions fan, you
Speaker 1: get the right people working in the building. I would
Speaker 1: imagine if your friend comes up to you and says, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I finally broke up with this girl that had been
Speaker 1: this toxic relationship with three years, and you've told him
Speaker 1: until you're blue in the face, hey bring up with
Speaker 1: this girl. She's not good for you. And he ignored
Speaker 1: you over and over and over and over again. Not
Speaker 1: exactly gonna be like all right, pal, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: like good, what took you so long? Now prove to
Speaker 1: me that you're not gonna go back to her. I
Speaker 1: worry that they make us higher in the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably getting too far out of ourselves.
Speaker 1: But like Greg said, until you prove otherwise, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not in there's years and decades of proof that the
Speaker 1: organization doesn't usually make the right decision. We'll see what
Speaker 1: happens come January. All right, let's move up. Booker stays
Speaker 1: in the ball game. Here's car looking to throw again.
Speaker 1: Pressure coming come and skin it's intercepted Dion Jones with
Speaker 1: a flag down and Jones is going to the end zone.
Speaker 1: And we'll see if it's in Atlanta touchdown sixties seven
Speaker 1: yard interception return for a touchdown by Dion Jones, West
Speaker 1: Durham w z g C. Good call with the call,
Speaker 1: and it did stand. Deon Jones picked off Derek Carr
Speaker 1: took it to the house. A moment of domination and
Speaker 1: a game of domination by the Falcons, who dropped a
Speaker 1: bomb on the Raiders shook. You know, we being the collective, Uh,
Speaker 1: I guess the football cognescente didn't think this Raiders team
Speaker 1: happen d NA to nose dive the way they did
Speaker 1: a year ago. Well, now you have to maybe rethink
Speaker 1: that what happened today. It had all the makings of
Speaker 1: a typical hangover game after they get so up for
Speaker 1: a game, losing a heartbreaker and then forget to bring
Speaker 1: that same type of energy to the field. It was
Speaker 1: beyond that. Though. My girlfriend, who you guys have chatted
Speaker 1: before many times and not committing to she's committed to
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and she came home today and saw that
Speaker 1: score late in the fourth quarter forty two six. I
Speaker 1: looked at her and said, you know what, this is
Speaker 1: the worst Raiders game I've watched in five years. And
Speaker 1: I'm not exaggerating. It was the worst game they've played
Speaker 1: as a team in half a decade before the Jack
Speaker 1: del Real Raiders. I'm serious. We're going that far back.
Speaker 1: And the problem is is for every thing that they
Speaker 1: were good at the last month and a half, and
Speaker 1: we were all starting to maybe get behind Derek Carr
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Maybe he's good enough to get
Speaker 1: them somewhere. Maybe he's as good as he was, you know,
Speaker 1: three or four years ago. Taking that next step, they
Speaker 1: can go to tote awful today. His stat line actually
Speaker 1: doesn't do justice how bad he was now. All of
Speaker 1: it's not on him. They were he was pressured relentlessly.
Speaker 1: Uh he had ah he was stripped on a sack,
Speaker 1: but his interceptions were bad. That one specifically, the audio
Speaker 1: track that we played was very bad and it just
Speaker 1: snowballed five turnovers in the game. They were only three
Speaker 1: for twelve on third down. Everything that he was good at,
Speaker 1: getting them first downs with his with his legs on
Speaker 1: third down, converting in key moments, they couldn't do any
Speaker 1: of it. They even got a break Josh Jacobs fubbled
Speaker 1: in the red zone early, it was overturned. They only
Speaker 1: got three points out of it. They only ended up
Speaker 1: with six points of the entire game. They had a
Speaker 1: sad field goal in this game, a complete disaster, a
Speaker 1: train wreck in Atlanta. That's a that's eleven fumbles for
Speaker 1: car this year. So for whatever reason, people don't care
Speaker 1: about fumbos when like evaluating who's having a great year
Speaker 1: or not. But he you know, that's in the top
Speaker 1: two in the league. He's led the league before in fumbles,
Speaker 1: and so that that's a huge problem because they do
Speaker 1: play in a way that, look, no one's gonna win
Speaker 1: when you turn the ball over five times. But they
Speaker 1: especially play in a way that they can't like survive
Speaker 1: mistakes and turnovers, like they want to play close to
Speaker 1: the vest. So that's wild. Though Rahee Morris has had
Speaker 1: some blowout wins who would think it. They are. They
Speaker 1: are like, it's not gonna happen, but they are not
Speaker 1: out of the playoff picture if they kept playing this way,
Speaker 1: Um the Falcons. But it's it's concerning you. John Cruden
Speaker 1: comes out of the game having to apologize to Raiders fans,
Speaker 1: and Derek Carr said that he was he was concerned
Speaker 1: because the team was really flat in practice and then
Speaker 1: the game started in Yep, they were even more flat.
Speaker 1: So I think you're right there is a bit of
Speaker 1: a hangover aspect to the Chiefs game to some degree.
Speaker 1: I mean, look what Derek Carr was incredible against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: He very nearly took them to the win of the
Speaker 1: year and then Patrick Mahomes ripped their heart out, and
Speaker 1: I guess you could say there's a hangover now. You
Speaker 1: also could do the old teams that travel east for
Speaker 1: an early start. That that's another trope that perhaps is
Speaker 1: in play here. But for a car to fall on
Speaker 1: his fat, there's so much fall in his face, there's
Speaker 1: so much. There was so much at stake for the Raiders.
Speaker 1: It's you know, they needed to win this game. They
Speaker 1: put themselves in a really tough spot. Now in the
Speaker 1: A f C playoffs and the Browns, who, like we've said,
Speaker 1: had the tiebreaker, they have the tiebreaker on Cleveland, but
Speaker 1: now Cleveland's two games clear of them, so that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a very difficult situation for them to catch.
Speaker 1: The Browns. Um there was no excuse to be this
Speaker 1: flat when they needed the win. So I yeah, I
Speaker 1: have been very high in the Raiders all season. I
Speaker 1: didn't think this was gonna be a season where we
Speaker 1: saw a performance like this and who knows, maybe they'll
Speaker 1: play great next week and we'll forget about this, but
Speaker 1: that that has to leave you very nervous about the
Speaker 1: rest of the season if you're a Raiders fan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The worst part about this too is like I as
Speaker 1: we got through the first two corters or so, I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, the Raiders are a lot of them
Speaker 1: just making a lot of mistakes that can get out
Speaker 1: of their own way. This is gonna be, you know,
Speaker 1: a tough game for them to come back in, and
Speaker 1: then it really just blew up completely in their faces.
Speaker 1: I mean, they gave them multiple opportunities in this specific game.
Speaker 1: It's mistakes that like you look at it on tape
Speaker 1: and you're like this might be indicative of an issue
Speaker 1: that extends beyond these four quarters. You know, getting a
Speaker 1: roughing the kicker penalty that gives a Lanta new set
Speaker 1: of downs. Then you get them down to fourth and
Speaker 1: three on the goal line and you give up a
Speaker 1: touchdown when you almost get to Matt Ryan. It's almost finishing.
Speaker 1: It's getting a roughing the pass or penalty that extends
Speaker 1: another drive. It's undisciplined football, and then it's obviously sloppy
Speaker 1: football with all the turnovers for everybody, myself included. You know,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they lost the Chiefs last week,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know this this team that could
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs. We talked about it can make
Speaker 1: for maybe a fun wild card weekend matchup or whatever,
Speaker 1: or a divisional round matchup. They got that far. I
Speaker 1: know it's only one game, but it's it's concerned. There's
Speaker 1: nothing worse in the NFL than a moral victory loss.
Speaker 1: I swear this happens every It's like, oh wow, they
Speaker 1: really try hard, and then the next week like this,
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know why I can always happens.
Speaker 1: So I do not buy. I do not buy into
Speaker 1: letdown games. When you lost the previous this game, I
Speaker 1: don't care how well you played. Weird, funky little stat
Speaker 1: before we move on to Sunday Night football. The Falcons
Speaker 1: finished with three d and four total yards. They're the
Speaker 1: only team in the last The only team in the
Speaker 1: last five seasons with forty three plus points and fewer
Speaker 1: total yards is the Chiefs, who way back in Week seven.
Speaker 1: First the Broncos had forty three points on two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty six yards. So it wasn't like the Falcons
Speaker 1: are lightening up the Raiders, but the Raiders were so
Speaker 1: inept in all other ways it didn't matter all right
Speaker 1: to Sunday Night Football. Sunday Night Rogers flip hips, flips
Speaker 1: it downfield. What touchdown? Beautiful beautiful connection from Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: the Robert Town in the one of four touchdowns for
Speaker 1: the Great Aaron Rodgers in a forty five win over
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears at lambeau Field. The latest one sided
Speaker 1: affair between these two old rivals. Nick Shook. You know,
Speaker 1: we were just talking about it before we came on.
Speaker 1: The league heaps these primetime affairs upon us between these
Speaker 1: two teams. But can you remember the last time we
Speaker 1: saw a good game between the Packers and UM around
Speaker 1: the time I graduated college. UM probably the J Cutler,
Speaker 1: like the last stand of the good J. Cutler Bears
Speaker 1: against the Packers is probably last time I had a
Speaker 1: classic showdown. Especially late in this season, it's been very
Speaker 1: one sided, primarily because the Bears haven't answered the quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: And tonight you see more of the same. I mean,
Speaker 1: you turned back to Mitchell Tropiski and what do you get.
Speaker 1: You get three turnovers, you get a terrible pick thrown
Speaker 1: into triple coverage. I mean, we shouldn't be surprised. So
Speaker 1: as long as the Packers of Aaron Rodgers and are
Speaker 1: on the pace that they're at, I think this is
Speaker 1: going to continue to be the case, no matter how
Speaker 1: good Chicago's defense is. At this point, Packers games are
Speaker 1: just kind of tracking Dan's sandwich prop that he had.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is an all pro and uh, it's looking solid,
Speaker 1: much better than the Jets are going to contend in
Speaker 1: two weeks seventeen, prop, I think you're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: He is my choice for the m v P right now.
Speaker 1: You know you need to add that second part. That's,
Speaker 1: by the way, why we'll We'll never create thirty two
Speaker 1: more of you because sometimes one is too much. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all all you try to do is
Speaker 1: go one for three when it comes to those props.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's why, that's why it was unnecessary,
Speaker 1: but yes, I feel very good about Aaron Rodgers being
Speaker 1: named All Pro. It was a bit of a shot
Speaker 1: in the dark, uh in August, But it looks like
Speaker 1: it's gonna land because he's you know, Rogers has always
Speaker 1: based his game. I mean, he's got tremendous talent. Obviously
Speaker 1: he's one of the great players, but he's always played
Speaker 1: with such confidence and it's always been such a big
Speaker 1: part of his game. This you could tell this belief
Speaker 1: that he's just better than everyone else, and you can
Speaker 1: see it on his face that it's it's almost a
Speaker 1: higher drive right now because of all the outside factors
Speaker 1: that he internalized and and and it's dry having him.
Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing with this game, and Mitch
Speaker 1: Drobisky didn't play well. I mean, come on, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's Mitch Drobisky, like Shook said, three turnovers Mark, but
Speaker 1: he you know, he did move the ball enough, even
Speaker 1: if it was in garbage time he got them three scores.
Speaker 1: I thought that this this game is really lost because
Speaker 1: the Bears defense, which you know they need to be perfect,
Speaker 1: was far from that in this game. They got torched
Speaker 1: both in the passing end in the running game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was as much of the story. I mean,
Speaker 1: Green Bay's first three drives all touchdowns, fourteen plays seventy
Speaker 1: five yards, nine plays sixty thirteen plays seventy five We
Speaker 1: kind of know the Bears are going to score between
Speaker 1: like twelve and eighteen points every game. I'm sure there
Speaker 1: are a lot of very annoyed people on the defensive
Speaker 1: side for Chicago at this point in the year or
Speaker 1: every year. But uh, you know, to start the game
Speaker 1: that way, you're put in a hole because of both
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. So I you know, it just
Speaker 1: feels sort of like a broken operation. Um, it's good
Speaker 1: to see green A go out flex its muscles and
Speaker 1: romp over a much lesser opponent, right because ultimately, okay,
Speaker 1: Rogers is playing better. Their offensive line was pretty dominant
Speaker 1: and has been great all year, including in the running
Speaker 1: game tonight. Um, but the differences is the play calling.
Speaker 1: Guys are open. I mean, that's it's the offense. It's
Speaker 1: you know, Rogers is making great plays, Like but he
Speaker 1: was making great plays all along. Now he's also on
Speaker 1: top of that having these open receivers. There was like
Speaker 1: a third down play early in the game that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't even notice, where it's him and Adams connecting. Adams
Speaker 1: makes a diving catch on a throw that Rogers through
Speaker 1: through a pretty small window in terms of the defensive
Speaker 1: line in front of him, and then sixty five yards later,
Speaker 1: with a bunch of easy throws they score touchdown. So
Speaker 1: it takes like one great Rogers Adams play that no
Speaker 1: one else can make, and then the offense just kind
Speaker 1: of rolls, and it's nice to see Rogers supported so much.
Speaker 1: To your point about Rogers just doing things on another level,
Speaker 1: I loved how they pointed out the buster screen blitz
Speaker 1: that he saw beforehand, uh, that he just called and
Speaker 1: like he sort of shook his head and looked to
Speaker 1: himself after, like, yeah, I'm pretty smart. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is the he's but a lot of what's the difference
Speaker 1: between Aaron Rodgers, six or seven other quarterbacks and the
Speaker 1: rest of the league that in a quiet stadium with
Speaker 1: no crowds, Rogers uses it as an advantage to hear
Speaker 1: what the defense is saying, what they're doing, what they're planning,
Speaker 1: and calling it out to his own teammates. I think
Speaker 1: that's also the difference between Aaron Rodgers, who was visibly
Speaker 1: frustrated at the end of the Mike McCarthy era, and
Speaker 1: where he is now with Matt Lafleur in their second season.
Speaker 1: They continue to understand each other better and you're seeing
Speaker 1: it in how effective their offense is. The rhythm, the
Speaker 1: pace that they have when they go down the field
Speaker 1: and drives like Greg mentioned, and also they continued involvement
Speaker 1: of Robert Toney, And I mean it helps a lot
Speaker 1: when you have Aaron Jones and the vaculating and you
Speaker 1: can run play action off of that. But it also
Speaker 1: helps when you have a tight end that you can
Speaker 1: throw it too off a play action where you might
Speaker 1: get him in a mismatch, you're gonna get him in
Speaker 1: a one on one. Maybe it's in the league across
Speaker 1: the field where he's opened downfield for a big game.
Speaker 1: It just adds to what you could do beyond your
Speaker 1: receiving corps. The big question for them though, and you
Speaker 1: will use the term that Greg likes to use when
Speaker 1: it comes to Mike pett defenses, is the run funnel?
Speaker 1: Are they ever going to stop the run against the
Speaker 1: legitimate team? Because without David Montgomery, the Bears have no
Speaker 1: rushing game whatsoever. They haven't had it for weeks and
Speaker 1: a lot of his yards were gained in garbage time tonight,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of hard to look at from a
Speaker 1: statistical standpoint, So it's not a good litmus test. And
Speaker 1: then if you face a better team that can run
Speaker 1: the ball, it kind of calls in a question how
Speaker 1: legitimate this team is. And we know they're gonna bring
Speaker 1: it offensively, it just comes down to their defense. We
Speaker 1: will see, you're right, how this team stands up when
Speaker 1: it comes down to the tougher games remaining on their schedule,
Speaker 1: which is not very tough. We'll get to that in
Speaker 1: a second. But then of course in January because they
Speaker 1: will be playing in the playoffs. This teams the Packers
Speaker 1: are gonna win their division. Uh. And you know when
Speaker 1: you look at their schedule remaining, it sets up, well,
Speaker 1: there one game behind the Saints, but they have they
Speaker 1: hold the head to head tiebreaker, so you know it
Speaker 1: might take them going You know twelve and four here,
Speaker 1: uh to take the number one seed, but it is not,
Speaker 1: it is not out of the realm of possibility. I
Speaker 1: just wonder sometimes with this team. Uh, like Mark said,
Speaker 1: you kind of wanted to see them whip up on
Speaker 1: a team that they should beat. That's what they did today. Um,
Speaker 1: a little bit hot and cold at times, this Packer team.
Speaker 1: This was a hot Packer team. And when they're hot
Speaker 1: and looking good, they seem like they could beat anyone.
Speaker 1: But then they could show up the next week and
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, who are the Packers? So I still
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a lingering doubt around them,
Speaker 1: but you can't argue with the results they're in. I
Speaker 1: think they're first of all, they gotta go thir they
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to win out to get
Speaker 1: the one seed. They can't count on the Saints. We
Speaker 1: have to talk about Tayson Hill again because no, but
Speaker 1: they would just have to lose twice. You know, the
Speaker 1: Saints haven't lost in a long time, and they would
Speaker 1: have to lose twice in five games. That's just asking
Speaker 1: a lot. That would be a lot of luck for
Speaker 1: the Packers. So mostly one time out right, right, But
Speaker 1: if they If the Packers lose once, then they need
Speaker 1: the Saints to lose twice. So that's it's just a
Speaker 1: lot to ask, right, So most likely they have to
Speaker 1: win out, but looking at their schedule, they could do it,
Speaker 1: and they could be a much more like you know,
Speaker 1: we spent all offseason talking about legit thirteen and three
Speaker 1: or not, uh, and this would be a very legit there.
Speaker 1: They feel more legit than last year's team to me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well big. A big reason for that is is tonight's
Speaker 1: win because against other solid defenses this season, they've struggled.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay pretty good defense. They got beat by twenty
Speaker 1: eight Minnesota. You always can count on on a challenging
Speaker 1: scheme from Mike Zimmer, they get beat in that game,
Speaker 1: although that was the Dalvin Cook game Indianapolis. They losing
Speaker 1: overtime last week despite putting up thirty one points because
Speaker 1: they can't get it done when they have the ball
Speaker 1: late in that game. So this is the first time
Speaker 1: that they've gotten to win over a legitimate defense and
Speaker 1: putting up forty one points is a statement for then
Speaker 1: um and like said, the schedule does set up pretty
Speaker 1: nicely for them. I think the big test comes in
Speaker 1: weeks team when they play Tennessee because then they have
Speaker 1: Sunday night on Sunday night. That's a good one. December
Speaker 1: Titans packed better than this. That's gonna it's gonna matter.
Speaker 1: I know enough of these Bears. Five straight losses. You
Speaker 1: don't see that too often for a five and one team.
Speaker 1: Good news. Not only are they add a prime time
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, they have been banished
Speaker 1: to or all early Sunday games for the end of
Speaker 1: this season. Well bad news. One of the four of
Speaker 1: us will be covering them, so you know, good news
Speaker 1: it will be shook alright. Hey Nick, um, what god
Speaker 1: awful meteorological pattern has fault befallen Cleveland today? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: actually the weather is pretty nice, but it's supposed to
Speaker 1: rain up to not or not rain. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: snow up to nine inches on Wednesday according to the
Speaker 1: local weather reporters. So um, this is the guy who
Speaker 1: hasn't bought tires for his truck that needed to do
Speaker 1: it a year ago. Luckily, working from home living downtown,
Speaker 1: I don't drive very much, so I'll be able to
Speaker 1: trudge through it. As for the Browns, we'll see they
Speaker 1: got a good running game, so we'll see alright, good stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it. Thank you to Chris Westling for
Speaker 1: joining us. We'll be back on Tuesday. Uh well there's this.
Speaker 1: You know, we have a weird week set up here.
Speaker 1: So we got Monday night football of course, and then
Speaker 1: right now scheduled you Tuesday night football. Uh so just
Speaker 1: know that we will be covering all the what's up America? Well,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do a quick Oh yes please, yeah,
Speaker 1: just jump in the elevator with me real quick, if
Speaker 1: you will. Um and I would like to just do
Speaker 1: a little locks updates. So Mark Sessler, you are in
Speaker 1: going up to the penthouse and the elevator because the
Speaker 1: Chiefs one, Greg and West with the Giants one Erico
Speaker 1: with the Raiders lost that Um and Dan lost with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys the Raiders. Wait, you are the reason the
Speaker 1: Raiders lost. Yes, I'd like the thing I touched. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see the score differential and Erica's locks. It
Speaker 1: feels like there's also been a lot of one sided ones.
Speaker 1: Every have you thought about the irony Erica that you're
Speaker 1: the weakest link in this lock challenge as well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh people on Twitter. Sure, sure like to list
Speaker 1: that one, you know, it's a good one. Who's Aaron though?
Speaker 1: That would be more concerning. Dan is a little bit
Speaker 1: of an errand aura to him with the locks this week,
Speaker 1: you went down swinging it like I'm getting on here.
Speaker 1: I finally realized what I was having fun with locks.
Speaker 1: You know, picking the Cowboys is having fun for the
Speaker 1: show's sake. And then you see, you know, people locking
Speaker 1: up the Chiefs and locking up the you know, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: Liss Bengals. People are taking this seriously. So it might
Speaker 1: be too late for me, but I'm gonna holdna wait
Speaker 1: a minute, and lock up the chiefs against like Wilton
Speaker 1: High School, I mean the they it was it's time
Speaker 1: to get serious because everyone else is. I would say this,
Speaker 1: let's go. I will do a deep dive tonight and
Speaker 1: I will go look at every lock that you've made
Speaker 1: this this year. Dan, you have some in Greg. I
Speaker 1: can see on Greg's face he knows that you have
Speaker 1: some severely concerning locks scenarios. No, because this is I'm
Speaker 1: the I'll talk endlessly, but like you have some seriously
Speaker 1: hideous and have it on my desk, but not I
Speaker 1: am I will not deliver it when you ask, and
Speaker 1: I will not do a deep thought. I am. I
Speaker 1: have already suffered through the Chicago Bears. I'm going to bed,
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm talking about. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what you're talking about. And it's time to get serious,
Speaker 1: all right. This is Dan hands Is signing off for
Speaker 1: Quiet Storm. Nick Shook Shook as like involved with the
Speaker 1: car crash at the end of everyone the old boss
Speaker 1: Ricky Holly would have of course, the mailman until Tuesday
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