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Speaker 1: Welcome to everybody to a Wednesday edition of Texans All

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Speaker 1: Access from the Honday Texans Radio studio, John Harris alongside

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Speaker 1: the Voice of the Texans, Mark Vandrier Mark Good evening.

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Speaker 1: It's an exciting time of year. Legal tampering is coming

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Speaker 1: up and stories are breaking every day. It's fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is very today. Actually, I'll be honest, it was

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Speaker 1: kind of a slow day. I mean, yesterday was was

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Speaker 1: the franchise tag deadline, and so there was obviously a

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Speaker 1: lot that went with the Lamar Jacksons situation that caught fire.

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Speaker 1: And it's been really interesting to see the reaction to

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson situation. Yes, and listen, I don't know at

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Speaker 1: some point if owners have whether it's NFL, NBA, Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball, etc. There's been collusion by owners. It's been

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Speaker 1: assessed in the courts in many other areas. I just

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Speaker 1: with this collusion thing, I found it interesting, but I

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Speaker 1: also see kind of both sides of things. Because I

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Speaker 1: did find it interesting that wait a second, within about

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes, these five or six teams have already

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Speaker 1: said we're out, like they're not even gonna do anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait a second, that sounds very strange,

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Speaker 1: And why say that. I don't even understand why you

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Speaker 1: declare that right off the back, Okay, let me okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm wrong in this,

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Speaker 1: but Atlanta last year went after Deshaun Watson. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: what happened to Matt Ryan out? Yeah? Why because they

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Speaker 1: were going to go after Deshaun Watson and he was

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Speaker 1: kind of upset about But maybe they've fallen in love

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Speaker 1: with Desmond rid Her. No, I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: The reaction to that was they went after, they publicly

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Speaker 1: went after Deshaun Watson. They made a play for Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: and it short circuited anything Matt Ryan would have had.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield same thing. It was like, give me hot

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Speaker 1: of here. I'm gonna keep this real simple and we

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Speaker 1: could diffuse this right away. Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 1: Go for it? All right? The collusion versus non collusion.

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Speaker 1: Whatever's going on with Lamar Jackson? How about this? What

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Speaker 1: if it were Patrick Mahomes on the open market in

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Speaker 1: the same way? All right? Franchise tag non exclusive, that's

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Speaker 1: what it's called, right, Yeah, the same situation there would

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Speaker 1: be maybe thirty other teams going after Patrick Mahomes right now. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's about Lamar Jackson. It has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're alleging here. They meaning the media,

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Speaker 1: Mike Florio and all the rest of them. It's about Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that contract was ridiculous. I doubt there was a memo

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Speaker 1: that said nobody go after him. I doubt that happened.

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Speaker 1: But if you're a team that's looking for a franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you're treading carefully at the very least, and you might

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Speaker 1: say we're out because we know what's going to take

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Speaker 1: X to get them, and we're not willing to pay

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Speaker 1: X for Lamar Jackson based on his injury history. That's

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing in all of this. Mark When these

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Speaker 1: teams were going after the Sean last year, was the

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Speaker 1: one thing they all knew. He's already got a contract.

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Speaker 1: He's got a four year deal that he's signed with

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Speaker 1: the Texans, so we're good to go. What nobody knew

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Speaker 1: for the most part was that DeShawn wanted a new

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Speaker 1: contract and the Browns were gonna give it to him

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Speaker 1: to get him to even consider Cleveland, and so they

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Speaker 1: went above and beyond. Nobody knew DeShawn wanted a fully

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Speaker 1: guaranteed contract. And I don't even know that Deshaun wanted

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Speaker 1: a fully guaranteed contract. But the Browns were like, what,

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Speaker 1: we'll get it done and look at it. Being a

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Speaker 1: great agent was like, well, gave him a full guaranteed contract.

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Speaker 1: So when people bringing in to Shawn contract, it's it

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Speaker 1: kind of upsets me because those teams went after him

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Speaker 1: knowing what his contract was, what they didn't know and

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Speaker 1: what they found out was and you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: give him your contract. Yeah, And I wonder that Let's

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Speaker 1: say Cleveland never gets back into it, because he said

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Speaker 1: race and tell them goodbye, thank you for playing. But

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Speaker 1: they got back into the race with the guaranteed contract. Correct,

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Speaker 1: What if they never come back to the table, where

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Speaker 1: does he end up? Which team does Watson end up with?

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Speaker 1: And how much is it for? It's Atlanta, right, but

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be two hundred and thirty million guarantee Correctly,

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Speaker 1: just went way beyond that number, probably came up as

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Speaker 1: let's just guarantee, right, we got our quarterback. Let's go

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Speaker 1: absolutely and that it's created. My wife was asking me

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Speaker 1: get it, but I don't get it. And I said, well,

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Speaker 1: here's the gist of it. Lamar Jackson's won an MVP,

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Speaker 1: Shawn Watson's not. Lamar Jackson has won games in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: DeShawn won only one, and Lamar Jackson is thought to

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Speaker 1: be one of the tremendous athletes of the position, which

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Speaker 1: DeShawn has shown that. Oh, by the way, Deshaun had

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Speaker 1: all these other cases and Lamar didn't. The legal situation

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Speaker 1: would reasonably you could look at it and go, well,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, then that guy deserves more money than

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Speaker 1: that guy, right, But that's not the way this thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Johnny, does he really? Because you mentioned playoffs?

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Speaker 1: How many playoff games has he just staying on the surface?

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Speaker 1: How many when you just look at that who Lamar, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, same as the Seaun right, the same one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he got the MVP. Look, he's a hell of a player.

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Speaker 1: But I got a big problem with what happened the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years, all right, because now I'm wondering, well,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, is he gonna be able to stay

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Speaker 1: healthy for me? He's created a tremendous amount of doubt

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Speaker 1: going into this period of negotiation. So I get it

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Speaker 1: that there's major hesitation for the money. Look, Baltimore is

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Speaker 1: not even stepping of the table to give him what

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Speaker 1: he wants. Their own his own team, his own family

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Speaker 1: is not exactly abandoning him. But you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: and I'm supposed to pick him up. Now, those guys

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Speaker 1: know more than I do it. Yeah, exactly. It's not

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Speaker 1: just the money, it's the draft capital. And I'm trying

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Speaker 1: It's Carolina, it's Atlanta Commanders, the Commanders, they still have

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Speaker 1: work to do to build their squads, and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: give up draft capital. Look, you get a hell of

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Speaker 1: a quarterback in the process, And I get it, and

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Speaker 1: I'd love to have Lamar Jackson. People are saying, why not,

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans have a lot of work to do in

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Speaker 1: addition to the quarterback position. I just don't think it's

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Speaker 1: the right time. Maybe next year you could do something

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Speaker 1: like that. Maybe, but you're just not the right time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that all the pieces are are

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Speaker 1: in play. If you get a young quarterback, rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 1: that guy can grow up with the talent that's here.

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Speaker 1: And I quite honestly, and I've been one of Lamar's

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Speaker 1: I think he throws it better than people think. But

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Speaker 1: in all honesty, the last couple of years, he hasn't

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Speaker 1: thrown it exceptionally well. And he's missed both ends of

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Speaker 1: the season of twenty one to twenty two. So when

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Speaker 1: you bring all that into the equation, it really really

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Speaker 1: complicates it. But to me, and it's funny because I

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Speaker 1: His team offered him a certain amount. That's what they

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Speaker 1: offered him, That's what they thought. Now, could they move

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Speaker 1: in one direction, in a higher direction? Could be Could

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Speaker 1: they be convinced at fifteen to twenty million dollars more guaranteed? Potentially, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I could see that. I don't even think that Deshaun

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Speaker 1: the one that Lamar should be looking at because that

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Speaker 1: was such an outlier for a number of reasons. No,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say Lamar. Lamar should look and try and

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Speaker 1: get as much money as possible. So him turning down

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Speaker 1: those potential those offers, I get it. But the deal

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Speaker 1: they should look at is Kyler Murray's because Kyle Murray

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Speaker 1: over two hundred and thirty. Now, that to me is

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Speaker 1: give me ten million more guaranteed, one hundred seventy five

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Speaker 1: to do it? And let's rock. He might not go

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Speaker 1: for it, I heard me. May not. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just starting out there. I heard somebody talking about

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Speaker 1: how well the Ravens just don't have much right, that's

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Speaker 1: why he underperformed, you know while he was healthy. And

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking they made the playoffs with hunt Lee and

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Speaker 1: who was the third stringer that played for them. They

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Speaker 1: obviously found a path to the playoffs without Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: The year before, they lost a lot of close games.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see because I think highly of

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson's got tremendous game. I've said this before.

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Speaker 1: Three of us are and this three of us are

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Speaker 1: like charter members of Lamar Jackson. Fancies like we've been

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Speaker 1: really entertaining. I love watching him play football. I think

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Speaker 1: knows what else because he can magically win games. The

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Speaker 1: problem is, if I'm an employer, I'm thinking, is he

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Speaker 1: gonna stay healthy? I canna fail. This money it's got

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Speaker 1: to be guaranteed. I get it, and I get it

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Speaker 1: from Jackson's side too. Watson got all this money. I

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Speaker 1: it's a fact. Somebody else said that I heard on

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Speaker 1: one of the shows. Oh, well, Watson got hurt too.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, yeah, he got hurt his workie year, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting here defending DeShawn Watson. But the

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Speaker 1: fact is he got banged up, but stayed on the

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Speaker 1: last we saw of him, he never got hurt, right

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Speaker 1: in the last three full seasons. Now, you can debate

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Speaker 1: how effective and twenty twenty led the league in passing,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't score points whatever. But he stayed out there.

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Speaker 1: So that if you're making an offer, that's a little

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Speaker 1: bit more valuable than a guy who's exited the last

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Speaker 1: two campaigns injured, unable to come back, and his team

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Speaker 1: suffered for it. And it's been widely known that Lamar

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Speaker 1: wants a contract that's in line with DeShawn Watson's. So

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Speaker 1: as teams look at that and they know that he's available,

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Speaker 1: they're like, we don't have that. And here's the definitely too,

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Speaker 1: the guaranteed contract. Now, NFL owners have a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: but as soon as you guarantee him whatever money, so

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Speaker 1: you guarantee Lamar Jackson one hundred ninety five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: You have to take that cache and go put it

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Speaker 1: in escrow immediately. That money has to go in escrow

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Speaker 1: right now. It's not like, well, we'll make that money

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Speaker 1: over the years. You have to have that money available

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Speaker 1: bull at that particular because guaranteed. Because it's guaranteed. So

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Speaker 1: when Jimmy has them, Yes, when Jimmy has them sign

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Speaker 1: a deal that Andrew Berry made with David wig Getta,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty million dollars had to go right

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Speaker 1: not sure. Can you invest it? You can't invest it,

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Speaker 1: you might lose it. Yeah, because yeah, you have to

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Speaker 1: it off till the end of time. They want to

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Speaker 1: avoid those kinds of things. But in sports, look with

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Speaker 1: the Watson deal. I remember when Magic Johnson signs something

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Speaker 1: like a twenty five million dollar deal in the eighties

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Speaker 1: and it was astronomical. You couldn't believe how much money

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Speaker 1: years and it was what it was crazy money. It

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Speaker 1: was absolutely insane. But now that's you know, minimum wage

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Speaker 1: or whatever in the NBA. Yes, less, yeah, absolutely, I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: what's the minimum contract in the NBA? Now, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, it's over a million. I believe I could

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Speaker 1: be wrong and all that, but I just think I

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Speaker 1: think this situation is a whole heck of a lot

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Speaker 1: more complicated than people want to make it out. And

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Speaker 1: when you throw in the Deshaun situation into it, it

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Speaker 1: complicates it that much more because obviously Lamar has said,

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Speaker 1: or through his people or through somebody the organization whomever,

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Speaker 1: that he does want to contract on part. And here's

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Speaker 1: the thing, maybe that's not right, and maybe these teams

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Speaker 1: would find it out. Maybe Lamar has to kind of

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Speaker 1: go on a what's that what's it called when you

443
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Speaker 1: barnstorming tour? Yeah, and calling teams and saying, look, I'm available,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming in. Here's here. Let's talk about this because

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Speaker 1: what you've heard isn't quite true. Let's talk and see

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Speaker 1: whether we could do this. Who knows, Maybe that's maybe

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of stancy has take. That's what an

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Speaker 1: agent would do. Yeah, so him acting as his own

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Speaker 1: agents probably gonna have to do that for himself. Minimum

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Speaker 1: salary in the NBA over one million dollars if you

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Speaker 1: have one year a full experience work one point six

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Speaker 1: three million. Wow. Nice, that's good work if you can

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Speaker 1: get it. I'm going home to kick vander Kid's button.

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Speaker 1: Mark out a jump shot, having hang from the bars

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Speaker 1: and see if he can extend all sudden he wakes up.

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Speaker 1: He's six eight in the morning. There it is I

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Speaker 1: speaking of. There it is Bobby Slowick, Matt Burke, and

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Speaker 1: Frank Ross met with the media, of which Mark and

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Speaker 1: I are members. They spoke about a number of things.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a little Texans audio jukebox coordinator style next

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Speaker 1: right here, Texas all accent? What's going on? Everybody? Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Wednesday. At this Sie of Texas All Access.

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Speaker 1: I am John Harris, your host topper Little Texans Audio

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Speaker 1: Jude Box. Three coordinators went to the podium said day

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Speaker 1: to discuss all things in their world, and I figured

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Speaker 1: I'd go with the two we haven't heard from. We've

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Speaker 1: heard from Frank. Maybe I'll save a couple of clips

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Speaker 1: a little later the week from Frank. He was great

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Speaker 1: as usual, But you guys, you had to hear from

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Bobby Slowick and defensive coordinator Matt Burke. Start

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Speaker 1: with Bobby Slowick on his quarterback philosophy. Yeah, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into that. It's not any

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Speaker 1: one position, it's kind of the whole unit. How it

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Speaker 1: all fits together. You know, we kind of take a

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Speaker 1: top down view, but how we see everything working together is, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're an offense built on precision. Everybody kind

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Speaker 1: of working together in unison, on time, in rhythm. That's

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Speaker 1: the starting point. But it's not anyone get even position.

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Speaker 1: We see how it all fits. That word fit massively important.

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Speaker 1: How it fits now. Sometimes the coach has to fit

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Speaker 1: what he wants to do with what his quarterback can do,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes the quarterback has to fit with what the

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Speaker 1: offensive Qardenner wants to do. So there you go, Little

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Speaker 1: Bobby Slow on his quarterback philosophy. Then he discussed the

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Speaker 1: offensive coaching editions of Bill Laser and Shane Day and

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Speaker 1: the offensive identity of this team. Yeah, that Bill Laser

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Speaker 1: and Shane Day for me are massive additions. You know,

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Speaker 1: Shane someone I really have a relationship with. I spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time with. We were together for two

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Speaker 1: years in San Francisco. We've talked a lot since then.

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Speaker 1: He knows what I'm trying to do as far as

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Speaker 1: scheme goes. We can speak the same language as far

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Speaker 1: as for football terminology goes. And it's just it's helpful

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Speaker 1: to have someone with you that you can kind of

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Speaker 1: leave the room and you know what you're saying is

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Speaker 1: being repeated in the same way you say it. So

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to get back to work with Shane.

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Speaker 1: And then Bill is someone that really I know. He's

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Speaker 1: been around. I heard his name. He's been in the

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Speaker 1: NFL a long time. He's Kach a really long time,

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Speaker 1: and I had a lot of conversations with him before

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Speaker 1: he came here, and you know, we just kind of

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Speaker 1: we got a bond and a connection and a relationship,

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Speaker 1: and he's called plays before, he's installed schemes, before, he's

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Speaker 1: done it all, and he's done it in many different ways.

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Speaker 1: And just even since he's been here has been really

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Speaker 1: exciting to be able to talk and have someone who's

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Speaker 1: gone through it before. It can kind of eliminate the

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Speaker 1: speed bumps get you over him that much faster. So

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Speaker 1: those two are going to be really helpful. And then

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Speaker 1: as far as our scheme, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the scheme is you have a system, you have a philosophy,

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Speaker 1: and for us at the Texans, it kind of is

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Speaker 1: a whole team. It's not just one specific side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. You know, Demiko always says swarm that applies offense. Also,

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Speaker 1: everything we want starts with are we fast? Are we physical?

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Speaker 1: Are we tough? And that again is when you turn

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Speaker 1: on the tape of our offense, that's what you want

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Speaker 1: to see. That should be the first thing that jumps

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Speaker 1: out to you. And then outside of that, a lot

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Speaker 1: of our scheme fits our players. You know, now how

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Speaker 1: exactly that structured is independent of each organization and each unit,

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Speaker 1: but we're always going to work around who we have

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Speaker 1: and We're going to make sure that what they excel

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Speaker 1: at we put on tape for them and we make

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Speaker 1: sure that we showcase that. Now, the end of the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers season was not what they wanted. They

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Speaker 1: lost brock Purty, they lost Josh Johnson, two quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 1: they were unable to do anything offensively in the second

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Speaker 1: half against the Eagles. The amount to come back and

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Speaker 1: this is what coach talked about, the end of the

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Speaker 1: season taught him about not only a quarterback position, but

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Speaker 1: the entire roster. Yeah, I think it really helped us

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Speaker 1: learn at every position how important depth is. You know,

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Speaker 1: how important it is that you have more than one guy,

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Speaker 1: you have people that you believe can come in fill

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Speaker 1: a role, kind of develop and what we believe and

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Speaker 1: what we want to do going forward and step in

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Speaker 1: and really not miss a beat, keep moving. And again

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Speaker 1: this is kind of a top down view, but we

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Speaker 1: kind of view that everywhere. You know, not only at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: We had some situations at running back, we had some

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Speaker 1: situations at tackle, we had some situation at wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Through our six years at San Francisco, and that that

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Speaker 1: really helped us solidify what we're looking for. You know

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Speaker 1: specific things that we think can step in and fill

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Speaker 1: a void when we have one and really kind of

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Speaker 1: not miss a beat. Of course, the General had to

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Speaker 1: get a couple of his questions in form Bobby slogan.

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Speaker 1: One that he mentioned was he's had a chance to

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Speaker 1: talk to Kyle Shanahan, and Kyle Shanahan had some pretty

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Speaker 1: impressive things to say about Bobby Slowick. John relayed those

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Speaker 1: to coach and here's what had to say about all

554
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Speaker 1: of that. That means a lot to me. You know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of got in the NFL from Mike Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: My dad was a coach. He was a coach for

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Speaker 1: a long time in the NFL still coaches loves it,

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Speaker 1: so it kind of grew up around the game. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't really get a shot to coach has a

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Speaker 1: career until Mike Shanahan kind of brought me in And

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Speaker 1: that went then to Kyle and I had been on

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Speaker 1: defense for a long time and Kyle had always wanted

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Speaker 1: me to come to offense, and then eventually he convinced

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Speaker 1: me to pull the trigger and jump over the other

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Speaker 1: side of the ball. And the amount of learning I

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Speaker 1: went through the growth, how much he helped bring me

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Speaker 1: along how much he challenged me. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: not easy in the right way. It was not easy

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Speaker 1: to work for him. And you grow, like you grow,

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Speaker 1: you learn a lot, and you become a better coach,

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Speaker 1: you become a better person. And I can't I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you how thankful I am to the Shanahan family

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Speaker 1: for allowing that to happen and really bringing me up

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Speaker 1: and letting me do that. And then as far as

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Speaker 1: last year's concerned, you know, every year as a team,

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Speaker 1: as a scheme um, you wind up evolving and growing

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Speaker 1: as the year goes. And Kyle really had he had

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Speaker 1: a belief that it it always is evolving always, it

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Speaker 1: never stops. And that's through the off season, that's through

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Speaker 1: in season as well. And last year the way our

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Speaker 1: team jelled, our coaching staff jelled, and it took a

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Speaker 1: little while. We had a lot of new faces on

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Speaker 1: our coaching staff last year, and once once it started rolling,

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Speaker 1: you know, we were able to take the offense and

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Speaker 1: the team in a lot of different cool directions that

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Speaker 1: we really hadn't done before. So it was really really exciting.

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Speaker 1: Your coach mentioned his dad, who was depens coordinated for

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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, which is why coach Look went

589
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Speaker 1: to high school in Wisconsin. Here he is talking about

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Speaker 1: the impact of coaching his dad and the impact his

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Speaker 1: dad had on him as a coach. Yeah, no, a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as as you can imagine my father, he

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Speaker 1: has still a lot of values in me, starting with

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Speaker 1: faith and a family, then the football. We believe that

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Speaker 1: very very strongly, always in that order. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he was a phenomenal, phenomenal teacher and he is to

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Speaker 1: that to this day. And I would say that's one

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Speaker 1: of the things he was most proud of in coaching,

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Speaker 1: and what he enjoyed doing the most was just teaching men,

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Speaker 1: allowing them to develop as players, develop as people in

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Speaker 1: and out of the game, and to watch that interaction,

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Speaker 1: you know, as fortunate enough to be in the same

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Speaker 1: position room as him for my first two years in

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Speaker 1: the NFL and just to watch how he did it

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Speaker 1: and a lot of times how similar we were and

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Speaker 1: then in many other aspects how different we were. Was

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Speaker 1: a really, really neat experience. I've often thought what it

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Speaker 1: had been like to go to my dad. It would

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Speaker 1: have been pretty volatile, I know that, but it would

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Speaker 1: have been that same rewarding experience and a need experience.

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Speaker 1: As coach mentioned it, no doubt. Now in between jobs,

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Speaker 1: coach Slowick actually worked at PFF. Drew Doherty asked coach

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Speaker 1: about that particular situation. Here we go. Yeah, No, that

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Speaker 1: was that was definitely unique. I don't think there's many

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Speaker 1: coaches that kind of went that direction. But I learned

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Speaker 1: a lot in my time there. They have phenomenal people

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Speaker 1: at Pro Football Focus. They do things a very certain way,

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Speaker 1: and they try to almost take what I was used

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Speaker 1: to watching as far as subjectivity and objectivity, and they

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Speaker 1: flipped it on its head and I learned a lot,

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Speaker 1: Like there's many different ways to look at the game.

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Speaker 1: There's many different ways to break it down, a lot

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Speaker 1: of different angles you can take as far as how

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Speaker 1: you splice it up. So it was beneficial to me

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00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: just kind of getting a different vantage point. I always

626
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: think different versions of information is helpful and it kind

627
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: of helped shape who you are as a coach and

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Speaker 1: as a person. And we'll close with this one from

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Speaker 1: coach on meeting Demiko and growing that relationship out in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Yeah, when I first met him, I mean

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know him at any level. We

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Speaker 1: had never had a conversation, so, you know, we first

633
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: got in the room together, and I knew who he

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Speaker 1: was as a player. I remember when he was at Alabama,

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Speaker 1: I remember when he was here in Houston, and then

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Speaker 1: when he went to Philadelphia, and I always thought he

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Speaker 1: I respected him a great deal as a football player,

638
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Speaker 1: but I was not sure what I was going to

639
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Speaker 1: get when we actually started a conversation. Then immediately you

640
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: start talking to him and you just feel energy. You know,

641
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: you feel juice, You feel the guy who's just excited

642
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: to be there, excited to live, excited to be a

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00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: part of something where there's competition at stake, you know,

644
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: and that really inspires you. And as you talk to

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Speaker 1: him more, you start to realize that we have very

646
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: very similar their values. We have very very similar football

647
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: opinions and outlooks as far as how we see the

648
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: game and kind of how we approached the game, how

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00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: we approached teaching, And that's kind of where it started

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Speaker 1: to take off as far as the relationship goes. Is

651
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: we had a lot of similarities, and it was really

652
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: fun going back and forth because you know, we were

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Speaker 1: in a room together, the coach, the linebacker, coach. Johnny

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00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: Holland was Demiko's I would call mentor as far as

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Speaker 1: a coach when he was here in Houston and same

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00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: developing as a coach on defense, and he did the

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Speaker 1: same for me. So all three of us together, it

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Speaker 1: was a really fun experience. All right, we get back.

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Speaker 1: We'll hear from Matt Burke to close up the show

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Speaker 1: right here on a Wednesday edition of Texas All Access.

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Speaker 1: Stay right where you are. We're all a funnel segment

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Speaker 1: of this edition of Texas All Access from Monday, Texans

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Speaker 1: Radio Studio. I'm your host, John Harris Football and I

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Speaker 1: love reporter Glad to be with you. To finish it up,

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Speaker 1: a couple of news items the Texans made official today.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love this. I love this for many many reasons.

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00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: They have added a quarterback, quarterback by the name e J. Perry,

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00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: who was with the Jaguars, an incredible athlete. He had

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Speaker 1: been at Boston College and then he finished his career

670
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Speaker 1: at that's right, my alma mater, Brown University. E J.

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Speaker 1: Perry added to the quarterback room with Houston Texans. So

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Speaker 1: we now have Davis Mills and e J. Perry, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see what else is added in due time. Also,

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Speaker 1: now this one has not been made official. Just seeing this,

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00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: I think Aaron Wilson was the first one to report this,

676
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: and he obviously is got a lot of sources, agents, etc.

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Speaker 1: But the Texans have agreed to a deal with Scott Quisenberry,

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Speaker 1: who started sixteen games as i R sixteen games because

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Speaker 1: yeah missed one, yeah, sixteen games in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two seasons. So Scott Quisenberry back as well. Then, that

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00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: has not been made official, but EJ. Perry's official Scott

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00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: Quissenberry And pretty much if Aaron has tweeted it and

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00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: put it out there, it's pretty much you can lock

684
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: that in. Now, let's lock into Matt Burke, new defensive coordinator,

685
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: came from the Arizona Cardinals, and he's got a pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting background. First of all, IVY leaguer E J. Perry,

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Speaker 1: Brown University, Matt Burke Dartmouth University, John Harris, Brown University.

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Speaker 1: So we got a lot of IVY leaguers going on

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Speaker 1: right here. Well, last year he was with the Arizona Cardinals.

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00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: He was defensive line coach there and he chanced to

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Speaker 1: coach Jay Jay what and of course he was gonna

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Speaker 1: be asked about this and the viral video that Matt

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00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: was instrumental putting together for JJ's retirement. Spent the year

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Speaker 1: with Jay and then when when obviously the news came

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Speaker 1: out about you know, him kind of hanging him up

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Speaker 1: and what he wanted to do, you know, I got

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Speaker 1: close to him and in the short time I was

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Speaker 1: with him, in the year I was there, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I just I said, I felt responsible for sort of

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Speaker 1: shepherding him out the right way and wanted to do

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Speaker 1: something special form. So just getting to know J over

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00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: that time, I mean, he's got all the accolades, you

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00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: guys know as well as I do, all the stuff

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00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: that he's accomplished and what he's been through. But you know,

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00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: getting to know J was about the people for him

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00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: and the connections that he made through his time and

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00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: people that covered him. You guys had the opportunity, some

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00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: of you to do that and played with and played

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Speaker 1: against and competed against and stuff. So I just thought

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00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: like that would be a cool sort of message for

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Speaker 1: him to send out too. So I don't know, I hope,

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Speaker 1: I hope he's thankful for that, And you know, I

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Speaker 1: think sounds like he is, and and it was just

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Speaker 1: it was a cool opportunity. I mean, you don't get

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Speaker 1: a lot of been this league twenty years now, you

716
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: don't get a lot of opportunities to work with guys

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00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: like that and at that level of player and in

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Speaker 1: that timeframe of his career and stuff. So it's kind

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Speaker 1: of a it was a cool experience for me for sure. Man,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait see ninety nine back in the building

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Speaker 1: and now he's got his got Matt Burke always been

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Speaker 1: one year together in Arizona, but you could tell on

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00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: hard knocks they had pretty good relationships. That was really

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Speaker 1: really cool. Now Matt Burke comes to the Texans never

725
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: having coached with Tamiko Ryans, but they've been closely related

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Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways, just never together. Here's

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Speaker 1: Matt Burke's thoughts about being with Amiko and the thought

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Speaker 1: of the guys that already here on defense. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously, you know, at the starting point

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Speaker 1: and through through this hiring process, you know, I would

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Speaker 1: just say, you know, Demiko's vision in mind kind of

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00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: lined up in terms of how we see defense being played,

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Speaker 1: and we want to be aggressive and an attack front,

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Speaker 1: and you know I have a history in that front

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Speaker 1: and obviously what Demiko did in San France. So you know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, my jobs trying to

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Speaker 1: help him execute his vision for what he wants. So

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Speaker 1: when I think the attraction coming here, there's a there's

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Speaker 1: some pieces on defense that we like that we're looking

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Speaker 1: forward to working with and obviously still in the process

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00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: of really getting to know those players. Um they're just

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Speaker 1: starting to come back and work out some of the

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Speaker 1: guys who are kind of bumping into them around here.

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00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: So um, but I think just a foundationally like excited

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00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: for some of the pieces that that think fit what

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00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: we're looking to do. Um. But we're going to be

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00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: an aggressive attack front and try to get these guys

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Speaker 1: getting off the ball and trying to dictate a little

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00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: bit instead of being reactionary on defense. Now right over,

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00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: Matt Burke was hired or as at least put on

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00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: the into webbs and he was being hired. I follow

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00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: a Twitter account called Honest NFL, and he is a

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00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: former NFL coach. There's no doubt in fact that he

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00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: had been with the Eagles, and he had been I

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00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: believe with the Eagles when Jim Schwartz was there. Jim

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Speaker 1: Schwartz defensive coordinator. He's been head coach allions, he's been

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator with the Bills, Eagles, Browns, and he's been

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00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: around a little bit. That is Matt Burke's mentor, and

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00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: that's really where the genesis of Matt Burke's defensive philosophy

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00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: comes from. And that's closely related to Debeka Ryan's defensive philosophy.

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Speaker 1: But Coach Burke talked about Jim Schwartz being a mentor.

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00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: Jim's been my mentor to me. Really gained my start

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00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: in the league and learned a lot from him, and

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Speaker 1: I would say the foundation of what I do is

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Speaker 1: based off what I learned from him. And then I see, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were apart for probably five six years, and really

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00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: for me like just getting exposed to some other stuff there,

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Speaker 1: you know, really and since he kind of like the

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Speaker 1: Zimmer system and what they were playing there, moving to

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Speaker 1: Miami with with Vance and some of his cover stuff,

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00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, so you just you start taking all that stuff. Obviously,

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00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: all of us have experiences and you try to learn

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00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: from and grow from different places and different people. You're

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00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: meeting different philosophies. I would just say personally, like probably

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Speaker 1: my biggest, the biggest sort of change or growth for

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Speaker 1: me and my career was moving a D line. You know,

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00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: I've been a linebacker coach for a long time and

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00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: then the coordinator stant and then kind of came back

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Speaker 1: and started coaching D line, and just from a different

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00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: perspective and having to like relate to a different set

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00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: of players and sort of look at things from a

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00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: different lands really sort of for me changed uh sort

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00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: of just my career path, but just sort of like

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00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: that was the biggest growth I saw for me. I

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00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: mean I literally had to you know, that year, the

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00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: year I made the move to to D line was

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Speaker 1: in Philly and twenty twenty twenty, I think, um, you know,

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00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: we had a miss Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham and

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00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: it was a serious crew. Like I had to get

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00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: up to speed pretty quick and and be able to

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00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: go in front of the room and coach those guys

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00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: and talk to him. So it's kind of a pretty

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00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: big learning curve for me, so um, honestly, and it's

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Speaker 1: sort of changed my last like four or five years

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Speaker 1: of my career. So I would say that's kind of

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00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: where I had the biggest growth of having to like

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00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: completely changed positions, get into a different room. And obviously

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00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: I had familiarity with the scheme and in front, but

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Speaker 1: like having to coach those guys in detail, that out

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Speaker 1: really sort of change for me. So now I had

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00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: like a different lens on looking at the front. So UM,

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Speaker 1: I would say, that's that's been a kind of a

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00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: big sort of curve for me. And we're gonna close

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Speaker 1: with as Mark Berman put it, a little out of

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00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: the box. Coach Burke is pretty well rounded. Don't think

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00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: the question about that. And he climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen. Oh yeah, okay, so that was actually, uh,

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Speaker 1: that was the same trip for me. So I actually

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00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: UM had a former player and he guess Dylan Gandhy.

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00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: He's a Texas tech guy, I think. So Dylan played

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Speaker 1: for US in Detroit, and myself and one of the

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00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: coach went over there. They were working on building a

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Speaker 1: helping to build and sort of startup basically an orphanage

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Speaker 1: a school system that had a hospital, whole thing in Uganda.

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Speaker 1: So I kind of went along with that and then

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00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: I stayed. UM I did that for about a week.

817
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: I was in Uganda on site, living at this little

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00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: uh this little school essentially and helping a like build

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00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: Rhodes and do some stuff there. That was really started

820
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: from Dylan and and and kind of tied a couple

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Speaker 1: of us in, which was really really cool experience, like

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Speaker 1: getting to be part of that and and being there

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Speaker 1: for that and sort of feel like you're contributing to something. Yeah,

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00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: and then I spent the next flew to Tanzania and

825
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: spent eight days there hiking Achille. It was probably the

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Speaker 1: probably the most challenging like adventure I've done. I would

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Speaker 1: say it was. I did like a different route. I

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00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: did a six days to summit and then two days

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Speaker 1: back down. So it was a pretty it was a

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00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: challenging sort of eight day stretch for me, but probably

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Speaker 1: one of the most the most challenging but most rewarding

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Speaker 1: sort of experience I've had in all my adventures. It

833
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: was it was something, oh man, it was something Sopie

834
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Speaker 1: climbs a super Bowl mountain with the rest of the

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Speaker 1: Texas this year. That would be really really cool. Big

836
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Speaker 1: thanks to Matt Burk, to Bobby Sloak, to all the

837
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Speaker 1: meeting for Great Questions today, to Mark to all you

838
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Speaker 1: for listen, we'll see you next time, and it is

839
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Speaker 1: always Go Texans.