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Speaker 1: What's testing my fringe medical beliefs. I REMEMBERT Evans hosted

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastard's Back with Billy Wayne Davis for part

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Speaker 1: two of our homeopathy episode and Providence. I think God

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Speaker 1: himself has presented us Billy Wayne with an opportunity here.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what that's how mad, that's how medicine work,

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Speaker 1: super Producers. Sophie has an earache that that is that

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Speaker 1: is rather painful at the moment. She's not sure why,

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Speaker 1: and traditional meal is not dealt with it. It hurts.

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Speaker 1: It hurts what kind of pain? It's like throbbing, like

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Speaker 1: actual pain, like the inside of the ear. Did you

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Speaker 1: stick anything in there? I mean I just put no,

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Speaker 1: you can rupture your ear drum. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't feel like that because I can still here.

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Speaker 1: Would I not be able to hear? I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's how it works. What I do know is

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Speaker 1: that it's time to test Machettison out. Now. I'm with this.

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Speaker 1: We have to do this as a double blind study,

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Speaker 1: which means, Sophie, you're going to close your eye, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna hand to make you blind twice. We're gonna we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hand you both a machete and another kind of

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Speaker 1: non machete knife, and you have to hit something with both,

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Speaker 1: and then you tell us which one you feel better after,

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Speaker 1: and that will be a real medical study, that will

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Speaker 1: that will forever prove the validity of machetes you used

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Speaker 1: to make sure Anderson doesn't get harmed. Anderson, Anderson, your

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Speaker 1: mom's blind and wielding machette. Come over here, Come on,

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Speaker 1: your mom's blind and wielding machete. Good, Anderson, get over here. No,

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Speaker 1: don't be right under her with the machete that's protecting me.

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Speaker 1: She's a body. Okay, Sorry, you gotta close your eyes. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: she's under the table. Close your eyes. Okay. We're giving

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Speaker 1: you a random bladed object, may or may not be

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Speaker 1: a machete. No way to know. It's definitely my eyes.

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Speaker 1: I can tell by the weight I'm gonna. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: guide your hand down towards the object of the copy

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Speaker 1: of basic instinct that you're gonna hit, just so you

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Speaker 1: know where it is. Now, rear up and and hit

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Speaker 1: it real hard. Anderson's okay, Yeah, Anderson's fine, Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's the first one. That's the first one. Now let's

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Speaker 1: scientifically note. Do you feel any different in your ears?

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Speaker 1: M okay, now close your eyes, close your eyes, giving

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Speaker 1: you another random bladed object. No, I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: it is. Now I'm gonna guide your head down, hand

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Speaker 1: down again to the copy of basic Basic in stink.

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Speaker 1: I want to scoot back just a little bit so

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Speaker 1: you can get more strength. You still sayers, Now again,

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Speaker 1: rear up with all your might and just whack it.

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Speaker 1: Whack it real good. Holy shit, that felt good to watch, now, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: you don't know in either case what you were holding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's powerful. Do you does your ear feel better? We

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Speaker 1: have a sport to play after this, don't up our ball.

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Speaker 1: How's your ear feeling? It still hurts, but my ego sorry,

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Speaker 1: it still hurts, but my but my ego feels great,

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Speaker 1: which is an important part emotionally powerful. It's good yogurt? Right,

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Speaker 1: Do you feel confident? Yeah? Okay, that was a funny

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Speaker 1: way to answer that question, like, yeah, my dog wasn't harmed,

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Speaker 1: so that's always good. Um, which felt better the big one? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: M hm? So what if you knew how to use

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Speaker 1: the little ones better? I mean, that would just be

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Speaker 1: a completely different studies. I'm doing a shitty metaphor there. Well,

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Speaker 1: we would have to do some research. Really, I'm not

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Speaker 1: and I think your ear is gonna heal as a

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Speaker 1: result of this. If you do get better, it's because

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Speaker 1: this was not in the actuality a double blind study,

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Speaker 1: I just came up with the first principle of machettison.

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Speaker 1: With homeopathy, it's like cares like, and with Michettison it's

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Speaker 1: knife cares knife. Now we've got an actual practice. Now

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Speaker 1: it's happening here. Marketing. Also, more is more, more, more,

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Speaker 1: the more, the more, the more knives you got, the

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Speaker 1: uncles that are going to be the best doctors in

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Speaker 1: the world. They're still alive there, assume Propter Hawk. I

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Speaker 1: there saving lives. Well, he would be saving more live

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Speaker 1: if you listen to the study we just conducted and

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Speaker 1: the rare chans you do listen to us. Hi, Jake, Jake,

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Speaker 1: give up conventional medicine, start practicing Machettison, Machettison, Doctor Moore,

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Speaker 1: Dr Jake Lichtman, Machet, bleep that name out. Nope, cures lot,

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Speaker 1: it cures baldness, It definitely cures low t eat erectile dysfunction.

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Speaker 1: Five and a half minutes later, we had to test Machettison, Sophie. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: So over five million American adults and one million American

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Speaker 1: our other fake It's hard not I mean, he's not

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Speaker 1: not work. Quote eleven independent systematic reviews were located. Collectively.

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Speaker 1: that you can get angry too. I'm just gonna make

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Speaker 1: sure this VHS tape of basic instincts near your stab

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Speaker 1: at hand to get a knife. Here. Background. Despite the

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Speaker 1: major cause of morbidity and mortality around the world. Previous

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Speaker 1: treating childhood diarrhea, but this approach requires specialized training. Objective

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Speaker 1: homeopathic combination medicine, if effective, could be used by health

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Speaker 1: personnel on a widespread basis methods. A double blind, randomized

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Speaker 1: key ingredient in highlands teething products at Tropa Bella donna. Yeah,

421
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: deadly night shade, uh Jesus, Yeah, which is one of

422
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: the one of the plants that Samuel Hahnman was a

423
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: big fan of using in his home. He had to

424
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: head his kids pass that. Yeah, um, it is not

425
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: something in case the name Deadly night Shade did not

426
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: key you in. It is not something you should give

427
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: to children or anyone. I don't know anyone unless you're

428
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: doing a murder. Yeah, and I think it's your murder

429
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: and someone solid picker. Now. Homeopathic medicine is supposed to

430
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: be so deluded that literally no molecules of the original

431
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: substance remains, But in practice homeopaths kind of funk up sometimes.

432
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: In two FDA inspectors at a Highland facility reported substandard

433
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: manufacturing processes and inconsistent levels of Bella Donna in their products.

434
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: That is a nice way of saying not all of

435
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: their water had the poison diluted out of it. It's

436
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: like animals. Yeah, we're sure. We'd like to say that's

437
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: ten milligrams, but they don't know. One of them might

438
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: be ten and then the one next to it might

439
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: be zero. It's all in one thing. It's yeah, it's

440
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: when you're it's not science. They're not doing science. They're

441
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: doing money. They're doing money, and they're great money and

442
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: make billions of dollars all these companies because you don't

443
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: have to because people it's frustrating because like people rightly,

444
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: like we just did an episode on the Sacklers, and

445
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: like the the opioid industry people are right. They are like, oh,

446
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical industry is fucked up. Uh, And instead they

447
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: just go to another company that's just as bad, but

448
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: at least those pills get you high. Well, it's it's

449
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: like going like McDonald's is shitty, I'm going to burger Ky. Okay, dude,

450
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: it's like that brief period when McDonald's was trying to

451
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: get everyone on board salads that who would choose Burger

452
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: King over McDonald No, I agree, But that's the point

453
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm make. Yeah, it's both starbage. They're both garbage. Mc

454
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: donald's preservatives do taste better, they do, they do, and

455
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: their fries are better. So I was about to say,

456
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: we're measuring by one thing. It has to be by

457
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: the fried quality behind the bastards is of course supported

458
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: by McDonald's in their corporate masters, nor dyeing defense systems,

459
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: nor dyeing defense systems, whether you want French fries or

460
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: a rocket propelled grenade launch. Here were kids. We're kaling

461
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: in really dark. That's a double meaning that they're doing

462
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: really well as a company and they're also murdering. And

463
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: they're also murdering. I could go on advertising, really could

464
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: hire US Corporate America now um. After the first deaths,

465
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: the FDA issued a public warning that there were quote

466
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: reports of serious adverse events and children taking this product

467
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: that are consistent with belladonna toxicity. We just want to

468
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: let everybody know that might kill your baby. And that

469
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: is how you say they're poisoning babies with belladonna without

470
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: saying they're poisoning. There's reports of serious events and children

471
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: taking this product that are consistent with the poisons in

472
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: the product. Yeah, serious event just happened. The FDA, for

473
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: their warned that little babies are particularly vulnerable to the

474
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: neurotoxic poison because their babies and quote the absorption of

475
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: belladonna from the skin and mouth is fairly rapid in babies. Yeah,

476
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: because they're just weak, little good they're weak, little goose. Yeah, yes, yeah,

477
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to be given, for example, belladonna anything

478
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: but milk, anything but milk. Really like you avoid perfume

479
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: around babies. Right, Yeah, it's not great. They they're they're

480
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: they're tiny, they're not like horses. They're not tough. Yeah,

481
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 1: there's skulls, not even they're missing most of the good bones.

482
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: They only have the crappy bones at first. Just give

483
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: it some You got the thing that's called deadly, give

484
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: it to the bait. Oh, this is the deadly night shade.

485
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: That's the one for a baby. Should we start with

486
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: just the okay night shade, No, chryl the deadly one. Now.

487
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: Highlands has been in the fake medicine business for a

488
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen years. They're based right here in the

489
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: city of Los Angeles. That is not surprising. They are

490
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: the largest homeopathic business in the United States. They claim

491
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: their products are safe and there's no proven scientific link

492
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: between their teething products and infant seizures or deaths. Spokeswoman

493
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: Mary Borneman said, a point of view, what a point

494
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: of view? Here's our stance. There's no scientific proof we

495
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: killed those babies, which is only a sitt and said

496
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: by good people. Yes, I'm gonna quote from spokes when

497
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: Mary Borneman talking to Scientific American. That doesn't mean that

498
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: children don't have a sensitivity to a product. There's a

499
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: lot of sensitivity on kids parts, and we have to

500
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: watch carefully. It's not something that condemns the entire product line.

501
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: Can you imagine sitting across from her when she said that.

502
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: And I love the question because because then you she's saying, like,

503
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: there's no proof that there's a link between our teething

504
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: products and infant seizures. But infants might be sensitive to

505
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: the poison in our teething products, but that doesn't mean

506
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: that our ty cast baby to get a tough baby.

507
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: And then we'll come talk. You try giving him scotch,

508
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, just to take it.

509
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: What is your baby a pussy? That's what happened. And

510
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: if your baby is a weak, limp wristed, little little sucker,

511
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: I have a suggestion for how to toughen your baby up.

512
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Mache babies Machettison's Babies machetes, which are only seven hundred

513
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: dollars each. Now, a lot of parents they're going to

514
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: spend money on an expensive crib, on a nice car seat.

515
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: None of that's going to get you as far as

516
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the seven hundred dollar baby machete razor sharp the sharpest

517
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: because babies don't have a lot of arm strength, so

518
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: when they hit something, if you really want them to

519
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: cut into it, it's got to be the sharpest machete.

520
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: And it needs a little size to it, so it

521
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: also carries. Yeah, you want some weight. A good children's

522
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: machete should be the weight of the baby and does

523
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: most of the words most of the work. Just grant

524
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: letting gravity pull it down. Yeah, that's true. And the

525
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: baby's machetes have slings, so you can use the machete

526
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: to carry your baby. That is true. And I would

527
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: have one if my wife wasn't smart, but I've married

528
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: a smart lady. Anyway, Male, seven hundred dollars to behind

529
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: the bastards. Just stick it in an envelope. Put it

530
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: in there, right, machete on the envelope and address, and

531
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: we will find you. We will find that money. We

532
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: don't Yes, you send us the money and we will

533
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: find you with the machete. Yeah that we don't need

534
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: your address or a phone number or name. That's behind

535
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: the bastard's promise. Send us the money. We'll find you with.

536
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: Shind you with a product. Okay, so um, yeah, it's frustrating.

537
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: It took four years for the FDA to get Highlands

538
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: to change their recipes to something hopefully less dangerous. Guys,

539
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: I know, hear. Hey another email, just to quit gentle reminders.

540
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: Stop putting poison in your baby stuff? Maybe don't? Yeah,

541
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: memo to staff are E poison pills for babies. Hey

542
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: maybe not? Hey Highlands FTI again, I know I'm being

543
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: a pain, but could you guys stop doing the poison

544
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: the base? No, Okay, we'll draw back. Okay, we'll try

545
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: back another time. See if you guys change your mind.

546
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: We're patient here now. While Highlands did change their recipe

547
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: in the years since, the parade of deaths and seizures

548
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: continued no Scientific American. In case four six two seven,

549
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: four nine, dated September two thousand and eleven, a physician

550
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: sent Highlands a handwritten note stating his patient, a five

551
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: month old girl, was unresponsive for forty five minutes after

552
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: taking its teething tablets. I am sure this was not

553
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: an allergic reaction, he wrote. I would like you to

554
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: report it, find a contact at the FDA so we

555
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: can start an investigation and pull this dangerous, unregulated product

556
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: from the shelves. One mother wrote the company to say

557
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: her son's people's dilated like marbles with big black eyes

558
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: and described her daughter continue to have after taking the tablets,

559
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: and told the company, I hate, hate, hate you for

560
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: this reasonable response that is that's actually kind of yep,

561
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: tempid response. The third hate, another's three fourth hate. That

562
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: might have been good or fucking yeah, good good time

563
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: for a fucking just like a white powder in that

564
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: envelope to you know, I was gonna say going in

565
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: this episode, there's no justified time to send a boy.

566
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't talk about mailing powders through the pleasures. Move

567
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: right along. Karina Talbot, twenty six year old mother, told

568
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: Scientific American that she picked Higland's teething products because they

569
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: were marketed as natural, and clearly natural is better than

570
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: whatever unnatural stuff is in the teething products that contain

571
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: doesn't these suckers gave their kid uh pacifiers, Those don't

572
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: have any poison in them at all? Is God the

573
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: leaps the human brain makes. Yeah, I think egos, I mean,

574
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: ego seems to be really involved in a lot of

575
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: this stuff. Well ego and I think just a lot

576
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: of it's just you know, there's so much information to

577
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: take in, and people average people are necessarily great incredibly

578
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: reviewing sources and like you have a lot of friends

579
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: who are like, oh no, my my kid, And there

580
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: is stuff where like I was just talking about pacifiers,

581
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: but like there have been cases where like pacifiers made

582
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: by some shady company and a bad factory in like

583
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: China or something that like lead on them and ship

584
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: like it does, Like there's a lot of ship gets

585
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: in the formula too, scary, nothing's perfect, and so people

586
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: like see natural on a label and assume it really

587
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: means something and also assumes that natural like like they

588
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: don't think about the fact that like rice and is natural,

589
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: like yes, like the and they don't like my dad

590
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: makes that joke because like organic he's like, what's that mean? Yeah,

591
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: he's like it, and it's mostly about a marketing buzzword

592
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: at this point, Like they're like, which is not to

593
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: say that there's not some like some of the practices

594
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: that are advocated by that crowd can be good, but

595
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: like the actual legal definition is very easy to game.

596
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: Oh it's so easy, Like you talk about like people

597
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: are like, oh, I don't use his organic pesticides. If

598
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: you've been in a farm that's been spread worth organic pesticides,

599
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: it's just like as much sulfur as you can fit,

600
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: you can good for you. And that's not even the

601
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: right way to do that organic stuff. Like my friend

602
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: that lives in Eugene, he's a professional cannabis grower and

603
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: they grow it organically, but it's all from like other

604
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: plants he's mixing and it's insane what he does. But

605
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: what he was, like what these other people call organic

606
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: is not like he learned from this Korean, this old

607
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: Korean man. It's like, sorry, okay, we're all being marketed

608
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: to all the time by everyone, and it's um one

609
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: of the reasons why. And I don't want to make

610
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: like Koreina Talbot, the mother here who like picked the

611
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: these teeth products because they natural had to be a

612
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: bad person. Like there's so much ship out there that

613
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: like people make bad decisions by definition, because there's it's

614
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: so hard to pick the good information from the bad,

615
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: and it's just it's complicated, and it's our government, the

616
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: FDA should do more to make it very clear, um

617
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: to stop a company like Highlands from making themselves look

618
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: like a legitimate pharmaceutical company, for example. It just has

619
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: to be clear what you are. Yeah, yes, I totally agree.

620
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: If it was Thailand's brand nonsense water now with poison,

621
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: like you can have that problect Yeah exactly. So um,

622
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm going a quote from Karina Talbot again. When our

623
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: fourth kiddo comes around and starts teething it three months,

624
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: we were like, okay, what can we do to give

625
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: him some relief. Someone told us about the teething tablets

626
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: and we thought, give them a try. So she gave

627
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: her son some Highlands teething products and his hands started twitching,

628
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: then his feet. The twitching got worse over the course

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Speaker 1: of several days, and it took a while for she

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Speaker 1: and her husband to realize the little seizures world to

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Speaker 1: the teething tablets. When she stopped dosing her son, he

632
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Speaker 1: stopped seizing. Now this represents one of the better case scenarios.

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Speaker 1: The worst case scenario is fd A case one oh

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Speaker 1: seven two three three one seven a mother who in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen gave her nine month old daughter

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Speaker 1: two teething tablets. Quote. She gave her infant the tablets,

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Speaker 1: then a bottle, then left her to sleep. When she

638
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Speaker 1: checked on her, forty five minutes later, she was dead

639
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Speaker 1: in her crib beside a puddle of vomit. God. Yeah. Now.

640
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Speaker 1: Five months later, the mother of this deceased child read

641
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Speaker 1: online that babies had suffered seizures after taking Highlands baby

642
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Speaker 1: killing pills. Shows. She reached out to them and here's

643
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Speaker 1: scientific American talking about Highlands response to this, I bet

644
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Speaker 1: it was good. It was up there were like Spectrum.

645
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Speaker 1: You might need the big knife for this. One billion

646
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Speaker 1: customer did not request a refund or replacement, noted the

647
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Speaker 1: silent staffer who filed the report with the f d A.

648
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: Highlands also noted that it was not able to test

649
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Speaker 1: the bottle because the customer threw it away. Due to

650
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Speaker 1: the limited information provided by the reporter, no further investigation

651
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: is possible. At the time of this incident, the company concluded,

652
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: there's just nothing we can do about this dead baby case.

653
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: I can't save the bottle. That's real unfortunate. Whoever the

654
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: boss was at Highlands, like, who's our best sociopath? Yeah,

655
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: who is our worst person? Let's get them on this.

656
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: He's just a Christian Bale character in the corner, just

657
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: stabbing a lady, what I'll do it? Hey, Jim, there's

658
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: more dead kids. We need you to send a real

659
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: bad email. Time to get to work now. Uh. The

660
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: f d A could do a lot more to police

661
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: homopathic medicine, but dealing with homeopathic medicine is generally low

662
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Speaker 1: on their priority list. And that's you want to talk

663
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Speaker 1: to these idiots. Yeah, there's there's an aspect to which

664
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Speaker 1: that's fair, because the idea is that homeotic remedies are

665
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Speaker 1: just water. So like you can see how the FDA

666
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: would prioritize, like, oh, there's people bleaching their kids assholes,

667
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: stop autism. That's got to be a priority over the

668
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: water selling. Yes, nonsense, Like you can see the logic there.

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Speaker 1: And also like all the other pill companies, all the

670
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: other pill companies trying to just make all of the

671
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Speaker 1: legal drugs legal and change the name. So we're focused

672
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Speaker 1: on that too right now, which we should just let

673
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Speaker 1: people do so that I can bite allotted in the

674
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: grocery store again. Um, but that's aside the point and

675
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: a personal issue more than a societal thing. I'm talking. Yeah, yeah,

676
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, the all this stuff that we've been

677
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: talking about gets more attention from the FDA's limited resources

678
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: than homeopathy. But that's not the only reason regulators take

679
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: a light hand in the baby poisoning industry. See The

680
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: Complementary and Alternative Medicine or CAM lobby is the official

681
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: lobbying arm of homeopathy and other sorts of you know,

682
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: alternative medical Yeah, why wouldn't they need? Of course, just

683
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: like pharmaceutical companies. They sent their fillions of dollars in

684
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: lobbying too. We're not shady enough. Let's do what the pharmacy.

685
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: We're not like pharmaceutical companies. You can trust us. But

686
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: also let's do everything pharmaceutical companies do. Could you get

687
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: a hand on their business because they make so much

688
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: money they print it. Yeah, we could make that money.

689
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: We don't have to spend any money even researching medicine,

690
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: tending to research. We can just put poison and water

691
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: and give it to babies. The fucking Margins on that

692
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: ship wild back in two thousand thirteen, they lobbied for

693
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Speaker 1: a clause in the Affordable Care Act Section two seven

694
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Speaker 1: oh six, which would have forced insurance companies to pay

695
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: for so called alternative medicine. This language was added to

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Speaker 1: the a c A by Senator Tom Harkin, a lobbyist

697
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Speaker 1: for the American Chiropractic Association and a member of the

698
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Speaker 1: Integrated Health Policy Consocial h PC. Senator Jesus, it's all fine,

699
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: just the chiropractic, which we know is good. According to

700
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: Forbes quote, it is virtually certain that lobbyists wrote that

701
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: section and Harkins simply inserted it into the law. The

702
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: h PC is a lobby and group dedicated to obtaining

703
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: more government money for homeopathy, naturopathy, chiropractic, acupuncture, interraft of

704
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: other ineffectual medical practices. Now section to seven oh six

705
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: is not all bad, just as the world of complimentary

706
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: medicine is all bunk them. But it does mean that

707
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: in addition to guaranteeing taxpayer funding for debatably useful things,

708
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: it may also have meant more taxpayer dollars for businesses

709
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Speaker 1: like Highlands. In general, the cam lobby fights to have

710
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: their medicine treated as medicine for the purpose of insurance building,

711
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Speaker 1: but not treated as medicine for the purpose of making

712
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Speaker 1: sure it's safe and effective to give to babies. Oh,

713
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: it's a prophet. We want to sell it like medicine,

714
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Speaker 1: but we don't want to have to prove that it

715
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Speaker 1: works or is safe like medicine. Yeah, do you see

716
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: why this is fair? Yeah, this is how it should be. Yeah,

717
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Speaker 1: it's there. The they're the are the Reverend R and

718
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Speaker 1: B singers. Yeah, that's the Christian rock and roll of medicine. Yes, yes, no,

719
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Speaker 1: we love Jesus as they snort cocaine and have sex

720
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Speaker 1: on their bus. But we don't pay tax But we

721
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Speaker 1: don't have to pay taxes, which means more cocaine. Always

722
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Speaker 1: party with a Christian rock band if you get the chance.

723
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Speaker 1: If you do get a chance, it is fun. It's

724
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Speaker 1: a great time. They're good musicians too, they just don't

725
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: know if they don't do it on stay age. You

726
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: get them back on that bus, do a couple of lines. Yeah,

727
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: they like all the same music. Then you get the

728
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Speaker 1: Black sabbath Is. It's it's just a weird curtain to

729
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: pull behind your what in the fun? Oh it's a

730
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: money thing. It's a grift. Okay. Now. The cam lobby

731
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Speaker 1: and the money that they spend lobbying is part of

732
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: why it took so many years for the FDA to

733
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Speaker 1: push Highlands to reformulate their famous baby killing pills and

734
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Speaker 1: part of why when Highlands did reformulate that ship, they

735
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily make it less toxic. Uh Sarah's Sorcer, an

736
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: attorney for the Public Citizen Health Research Group, told Scientific

737
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: American this, the FDA could bring the hammer down on them,

738
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. At the point where you have infants

739
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: being hospitalized and deaths reported, it's simply not acceptable for

740
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: the agency to delay and taking action. It seems fair. Yeah.

741
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: The FDA's Drug Division determines whether or not a product

742
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: on the market is unsafe, but in order to make

743
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: that determination, the FDA relies heavily on reports from actual

744
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: doctors in the field in which drugs and drug like

745
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: substances are killing pol This is a particular problem with

746
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: homeopathic products because they're supposed to just be water, which

747
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: means physicians rarely think to ask if a patient has

748
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Speaker 1: been taking homeopathic teething pills. Dr Edward Boyer, a Harvard

749
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: toxicologist who works at the Harvard Medical School. E Er

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Speaker 1: told Scientific American this, if I'm working in the emergency

751
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Speaker 1: room and I have a family that comes in with

752
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: a seizing infant, I may not have the wherewithal to

753
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: get the history of homeopathic use. You're not going to

754
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: assume it's the water pills, so it means that they

755
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: don't notice a lot of this contributes to an illness. Well,

756
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: when you don't think you're giving them anything, So why

757
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: would you tell them exactly it's natural. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

758
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: I get an extra kale or something. Now it is natural.

759
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Speaker 1: Billy Wayne is our home grown medical machetes. Every one

760
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Speaker 1: of our machetities is grown organically on a organic industrial

761
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Speaker 1: factory in El salvador Um. The good part of the

762
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Speaker 1: good part of not only the most natural polymers plastics

763
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Speaker 1: and carbon steel are used in the organic growth of

764
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Speaker 1: our health machetes. They have the best polymer trees, the

765
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Speaker 1: best polymer trees by far, by far. In fact, some

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Speaker 1: Belladon included products hervousness. So, Iphie, we're back. How's your

767
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Speaker 1: ear feeling better now? My heart hurts from hearing how

768
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Speaker 1: horrible these people? Oh yeah, everything's hey. It is heavy,

769
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Speaker 1: It is heavy, but I don't think that's just like

770
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Speaker 1: really fucking angry, but it's numbing. My anger is numbing

771
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: my ear pain because I'm just I can't think about

772
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Speaker 1: anything else. That's why behind the bastards of the podcast

773
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Speaker 1: is f d A supported uh to treat all the

774
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Speaker 1: kinds of eggs and paints. I also thought, you know,

775
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Speaker 1: Andrew said to look pretty cool with a little dog machete.

776
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Now our dog machete vertical is going to

777
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Speaker 1: take off in a Q two Yeah where it's it's

778
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Speaker 1: hard to make a machete that a dog's paws can hold,

779
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Speaker 1: but we're working on it. Figured it out. We have

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Speaker 1: top men on the project. We used Deadly Night shape

781
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Speaker 1: only top men, top men and women and a gender

782
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Speaker 1: machete experts. I don't know, uh to top whatever's Um,

783
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Speaker 1: they're they're fluid, just like our new liquid metal machetes.

784
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Speaker 1: Oh that would be cool. Yeah, it will be cool

785
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Speaker 1: QO just in time. Yeah, it's going now. Um. The

786
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Speaker 1: good news is that in December of two sixteen, more

787
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: than half a decade after the first death, we reported

788
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: Highlands pulled their baby nighttime teething tablets off the shelves.

789
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: They were adamant that their safety standards were incredibly stringent

790
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Speaker 1: and frame. This is basically, we have to pull this

791
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: stuff from the shelves because the FDA is a bunch

792
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: of dicks. That doesn't get me mean he's fucking dead.

793
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Highlands representative told Scientific American homeopathic medicine has a very

794
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: large margin of say, are testing insures there's not too

795
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: much belladonna in any bottle. If there's any belladonna in

796
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: a teething product, it's too much. There's not a lot.

797
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: It's these pussy babies. Just on January seventeen, the United

798
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: States Food and Drug Administration posted this fund press release.

799
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Speaker 1: FDA confirms elevated levels of belladonna in certain homeopathic teething products.

800
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Speaker 1: You can't stop these people from putting poison in baby pills.

801
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: They just love it. Why because they're just they're not

802
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: taking the proper precautions. But I don't don't have to.

803
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: That's okay, That is exactly. If humans don't have to,

804
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: they don't do it. Yeah, it's like the people who

805
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: are like all these regulations are like for like health

806
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: and safety, like ocean ship is like slowing down innovation.

807
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: It's like, no, dude, people would be like shooting at

808
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: workers to make them move faster if there weren't laws

809
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: against that. There's no OSHA rules in our recording studio,

810
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: and I regularly throw knives and bagels around with the

811
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: sling like it's terrible. It's terrible. I should be in

812
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: in charge of the country. Um so yeah. This press

813
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: release revealed that Highlands was not the only company accidentally

814
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Speaker 1: dropping belladonna into its teething products. Another homeopathic medicine company,

815
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Speaker 1: Raritan Pharmaceuticals, was forced to pull their products off the

816
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: shelf when poison was found in them. So that's goods

817
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: all right. Now, if you're a sane person, you might

818
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: be wondering, why are homeopathic products regulated as drugs if

819
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: they're at best water and at worst poison water. That's

820
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: a little odd, isn't it. This all turns out to

821
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Speaker 1: be thanks to a special law made just before World

822
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Speaker 1: War Two. Here's Forbes. The nineteen thirty eight law was

823
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Speaker 1: the brainchild of a U. S Senator, Royal Copeland, who

824
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: happened to be a homeopath. Senator Copeland inserted language into

825
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: a major food and drug law that declared homeopathic preparations

826
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Speaker 1: to be drugs. It also allowed homeopaths themselves to maintain

827
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Speaker 1: the official list of all these drugs, called the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse. Thanks to aggressive

829
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Speaker 1: lobbying by homeopaths, homeopathic in Greek Dans are not subject

830
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Speaker 1: to the normal review required of real drugs. Most importantly,

831
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Speaker 1: homeopathic drugmakers do not have to prove their products are effective. Cool.

832
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Speaker 1: That's a I'm glad that that's just democracy good law

833
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Speaker 1: knocking it out of the park again. That's the senator

834
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Speaker 1: who's a homeopath says that we should treat them as

835
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Speaker 1: drugs except for when we have to prove they work.

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Speaker 1: People have an issue with that, oh man. One of

837
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Speaker 1: the fun products that homeopaths get to market is medicine

838
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: without proving any therapeutic benefit for it is to Prison.

839
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: To Prison is generally marketed as a natural pain relief cream.

840
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: You can buy it as a cream or a spray,

841
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: or in a special formulation for fibromyalga for You can

842
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: also buy toe Person for children and a one point

843
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: five ounce tube. The seller of that particular product, Valley

844
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: Medical Supplies, says that it helps with aches and pains,

845
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: cuts and bruises, HeLa, knee pain, and growing pains. The

846
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: section on Information for Parents and Consumer states to Person Jr.

847
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: Uses no volatile oils such as can for or menthol

848
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: or irritating chemicals. Rather, it stimulates the body's desire to

849
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: heal the damage that is causing the pain by draining

850
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: the toxins. That toxins, Yeah, they're in play. Yeah, that

851
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: was destined. That has just been waiting. I was like,

852
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna say toxins. So now I like this theory

853
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: that this thing activates yeah your body. Yeah, like there's

854
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: some substance out there that's like your body is just

855
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: like what Yeah, I didn't know to heal until the

856
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: cream got on. Thanks. Oh man. I love that we're

857
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: again using our our our dumb southern accents to make

858
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: fun of these people when they're all based in Los Angeles.

859
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: I just imagine them having us. Yeah. Well yeah, we

860
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: could just be like, here's what we should do. Here's

861
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: what we should do, guys. Here here's what I'll do fixed. Yeah,

862
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: that's what it. That is really comfortable. I feel like

863
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: somebody named ad just walked in. It's okay, it's okay,

864
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: you just got here's the problem with your baby, bro.

865
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: There's not enough Belladonna in it. You gotta get Okay.

866
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: They call it Deadly Nightshade. But you know, like when

867
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: you say sick and you mean something's good, that's the

868
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: kind of deadly. It is bro bing. It's sick medicine.

869
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: That's our new homeopathics of like sick medicine. Then nothing

870
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: we do is a lie. Oh god, that's just destroyed

871
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: my think we could get out of the podcast. I

872
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna. I think we could be millionaires sick medicine.

873
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in another four years of American products,

874
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: one of us at least could be the new Secretary

875
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: of Health and Human Services. Yes, yeah, definitely Anderson. Well,

876
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: Anderson would honestly be an improvement. Anderson will be the president,

877
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: and we'll take all the fucking ship when it comes

878
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: our way. Oh yeah, yeah, he gets impeached for letting

879
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: a Russian dog dig in the yard or something. I

880
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: don't know what a presidential crime. Anderson, President Anderson. Now, Billy, Wayne,

881
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: I bet you're wondering what might the supposedly deluded homeopathic

882
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: ingredients of this Toperson miracle pain cream be. I mean,

883
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's something great. It's Belladonna. Now, now, Billy,

884
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: it's not just Belladonna. Of course, they mix in just

885
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: a just a scoche of hilo derma. You know what

886
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: helo derma is. It's helo monster venom. Okay, that seems

887
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: good for paine. What what just acid tripping psychopath is

888
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: just mixing ship. Well, he tested it on his kids.

889
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: It was fine, So put it in the pills or

890
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: the cream or whatever. I feel like they saw this

891
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: product at like Whole Food, so they sell it all. Yeah. Yeah, Now,

892
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: I wonder if this miracle product made of deadly nightshade

893
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: and literal monster poison has a history of poisoning people

894
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: and it just so happens. I found a two thousand

895
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: eighteen paper post on the National Institutes of Health website

896
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: anti cuolinergic toxicity secondary to overdose of Toperson cream, a

897
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: homeopathic medication. I'm gonna quote from that now. A forty

898
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: year old man presented with family to the emergency department

899
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: complaining of headache and blurry vision of one day's duration.

900
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: His wife also noticed a changementation for two hours prior

901
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: to presentation when he repeatedly asked the same questions and

902
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: did not recognize family members. His past medical history included

903
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: hypertension and dislipid m something. His daily medications were pravastatin,

904
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: meadow floral enamel print, and non steroidal anti inflammatories from

905
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: musculo skeletal pains, social history, and family history were non contributory.

906
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: Two days prior to presentation, he had developed a severe

907
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: pain in his left foot, which he treated with the Overdock,

908
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: the counter to prison topical pain relief cream. He applied

909
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: the cream liberally without respecting the recommended dosage. The exact

910
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: quantity and frequency were unknown. No, that's like every dude, Well,

911
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: if this is like, yeah, take two, I'll take four

912
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: because I'm awesome. But normally your pain relief cream is

913
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna be light a cane or something like that, where like, yeah,

914
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: you put too much light a Cane on your foot,

915
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: it's whatever. If you're an adult, it's whatever. But he

916
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: was putting too much HeLa Monster, Venom and Bella Donna

917
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: on his foot, and that turns out to not be great. Yeah,

918
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: I went to HeLa Monster bought me like four or five.

919
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: Is that good? You're really cutting out the middle man.

920
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: I just I just I gotta turn my ankle. I've

921
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: been saying for years, Billy, you were ahead of the

922
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: pack by keeping that he lived HeLa Monster in your house.

923
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: Just free and loose really has helped a lot. I've

924
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: only been a hospital like four of her times. He's cool,

925
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: and I'd like to announce my new product, just a

926
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: HeLa Monster we shipped to your house in a box,

927
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: good teething, good for foot pain, thousand dollars, no address.

928
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I will I will make sure HeLa monster finds you

929
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: the no address stamped envelope in a thousand off. There

930
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: will just be a large poisonous lizard in your house

931
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: at some point, and you'll know that you're safe. Sick

932
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: medicine was here. You know, it's weird with all these

933
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: debates between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and the like

934
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: about like should we have medicare for all? Should we

935
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: have some sort of like hybrid plan. Why not just

936
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: Helo monsters? Just just HeLa monsters and machetes all over

937
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: the place, a HeLa monster in every house and a

938
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: machete at every hand. That's my presidential platform. I think

939
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: the country would get along a little better. I think

940
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: I think we would solve We would have other problems

941
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: than the partisan divide currently ship that we didn't foresee.

942
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: I do think there would be some stuff pop up

943
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: that I didn't see that one come. But you know what,

944
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: we didn't think we got to stay active. That's true.

945
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: Stay on your toes with a HeLa monster in the house,

946
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: you drink a lot of water. Now, the good news

947
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: is that this guy who overdosed on Toperson did survive UM.

948
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: But his symptoms were at one point serious enough that

949
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: his doctor's coded him for having a stroke, So maybe

950
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: maybe stay away from Toperson. He spent some time to

951
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: st ed and pissing himself in a hospital before the

952
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: administration of IVY drugs was able to return him to

953
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: baseline with suspected cause of his symptoms was belladonna poisoning.

954
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: So we've been making fun of the HeLa monster thing,

955
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: but they suspect it was actually yeah, when that's the

956
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: best part of the medicine. No, the HeLa monster venom

957
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: was actually all right. Thank god that was in Thank

958
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: god that was in there. Really counteracted the belladonna. I'm

959
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: still smart. You mix enough of the poisons in there.

960
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: More is more. I will say that he and his

961
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: family were lucky that he took the toe person and not,

962
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: for instance, their infant child UM for obvious reasons. In

963
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, a seven year old Italian girl caught

964
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 1: an ear infection her parents took her to a doctor

965
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: who prescribed antibiotics, but they decided to consult a second opinion,

966
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: and when with a homeopath instead, set ear infection spread

967
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: to the girl's brain, killing her. Yes, yep, yeah, that's

968
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: what happens. The parents were convicted of aggravated manslaughter and

969
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: given three months sentences in p isn't They attempted to

970
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: justify their decision by citing that they were not anti

971
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: medicine in general, just concerned about antibiotics, which is a

972
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: wrinkle that makes this case frustrating. See The overprescription of

973
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: of antibiotics is one of the largest problems in modern medicine.

974
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: Over thirty percent of antibiotic prescriptions in the United States

975
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: at least are believed to be unnecessary. This manifests in

976
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: a few different ways. Antibiotics are often prescribed to people

977
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: who don't need them due to mistakes and diagnosis, or

978
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: a variety of other reasons, some of which boiled down

979
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: to medical laziness. They're also prescribed in doses that far

980
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: exceed with the patient actually needs, which can cause long

981
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: term health issues and patients like die offs and gut

982
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: bacteria or whatever. All of these very real examples of

983
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: problems with antibiotic use mean that half informed consumers like

984
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: these Italian parents wind up with an understanding that there's

985
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: something vaguely problematic about how antibiotics are used in modern medicine,

986
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: but not really understanding why. So when they go to

987
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: a homeleopath who has already established a big part of

988
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: the practices, they'll spend a lot more time talking with you.

989
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: And doctors are very busy, they're usually often very often

990
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: bad at talking to patients. That good bedside manager are

991
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: very rare in this in it in my experience, and

992
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people's experience. So this

993
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: doctor sits down and talks with them and tells them, no,

994
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: you don't need antibiotics. Here's another way, and you know,

995
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: antibiotics are vaguely problematics, so they go with the other way.

996
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: Then their doctors, your infection goes out of control and

997
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: she dies of ningitis. It's fun, It's super fucked up.

998
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: It's the fucking vaccine ship too. It's the same, just

999
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: a shadow of a doubt and smart people sometimes they're like,

1000
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: well because of one time I have thee yeah, yeah, yeah,

1001
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: it's just we need more handsome doctors to have YouTube shows,

1002
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: but not to sell Doctor oz bullshit. To actually tell

1003
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: them what works and what doesn't we need we need.

1004
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm calling on you medical community, find us sexier

1005
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: doctors than doctor Oz to confront doctor Oz. It's like like,

1006
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: here's like to stop the danger of sexy nonsense. Door

1007
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: need X good doctor. Yes, it's the only thing that

1008
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: can say in his in their show is just called

1009
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: no no. And other doctors out there right now, maybe

1010
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: do more crunches. Maybe do more crunches, you know, I do.

1011
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: I one of my favorite things is to drop out

1012
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: a hospital and see what a doctor outside. That's my

1013
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: favorite thing. You gotta make a choice. There's just I mean,

1014
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: I get that there's a stress relief. I understand. It

1015
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: always makes me laughing, like that's someone's writing a fucking

1016
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: drama about him right now. I saw a book on

1017
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: the shelf of one of my very close friends as

1018
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: grandfather that I love the title of and I have

1019
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: not read yet, but I know from the title that's

1020
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: full of good medicine. Live long and die fast, which

1021
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: I do think is a good goal. Yeah, yeah, you

1022
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: want to live to ninety and then drop dead? Instantly,

1023
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: I want to live to ninety and then get shot

1024
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: by sniper that I don't even know. That's actually the best,

1025
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: and that Billy Wayne brings me on to my next

1026
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,959
Speaker 1: grip for this episode, Snipe Edison the only medicine that's

1027
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: just a man with a scoped rifle, New Youth and Asia.

1028
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: So this is all terrible, but when it comes to

1029
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: infuriating stories of actual mal practice by homeopathic positions, nothing

1030
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: I have come across beats the case of Penelope Dingle.

1031
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: And because this is a tragic story, I'm gonna ask

1032
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: none of us to laugh at that last name. They're Australian,

1033
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: they can't help it. It's not their fault. It's like walla, walla,

1034
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: Sorry it's there. In February two three, Penelope was diagnosed

1035
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: with colorectal cancer. Her husband was a prominent toxicologist in

1036
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: Perth and the specific form of cancer she was diagnosed

1037
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: with was believed to be extremely treatable, but Miss Dingle

1038
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: did not opt for that treatment. She had a homeopathic doctor.

1039
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: She trusted, Miss Grayon, and Miss Grayan told her that

1040
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: she could much more safe. Miss her name was Miss

1041
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: that the most it's better than doctor yeah. Now, Miss

1042
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: Grahan told her that she could hand much more safely

1043
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: deal with her rectal cancer via, of course of homeopathic

1044
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: and natural remedies. Doctor Dingle claims he went along with

1045
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: his wife's wishes because he wasn't able to convince her

1046
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Speaker 1: that traditional medical treatment would be more effective than Miss

1047
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: Grayn's homeopathic medicine. He later said, Pinn had her mindset

1048
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: and it wasn't changeable. You argue with her. Actually what

1049
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: he said, Yeah, I mean he tried. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. There's also some some suggestions that maybe

1051
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: he was cut up in trying to like write a

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: health book with them. It's it's a complicated story. I

1053
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: don't really know exactly. But for months, Penelope and Miss

1054
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: gray And had weekly appointments. But oddly enough, Penelope's cancer

1055
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: continue to get worse and worse. Sadly, this did not

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: convince Penelope that something might be wrong. There's evidence that

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00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: she and Miss gray And even convinced her husband to

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00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: help them write a book about treating cancer naturally once

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00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: she was cured. Dr Dingle later said penn was in

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00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: awe of Francine. Francine's grayan and I felt that penn

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00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: would have perhaps left me if I had criticized Francine.

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00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: He claims that she was unwilling to listen to any

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: medical biace that did not come from her homeopath. Pen

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01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: repeatedly told me that Francine was convinced she could cure cancer.

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01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: Near the end of two thousand three, Penelope dingles condition

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01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: took a sharp turn for the worst, and she underwent

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: emergency surgery to remove a bowel obstruction and save her life.

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01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: Penelope remained confident in Francine's Gray And after this point

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: up until a phone call in which her homeopath asked

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01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: her to sign a letter freeing her from all future

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01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: legal liability of Penelope died. Wow, yeah, like a great physician,

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: Just like yeah, yeah, yeah. Now at this point Penelope

1073
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: started a question whether or not she now wait a second, yeah.

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01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: Eventually she realized that she had been had by a

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01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: con woman and wrote Francine's Gray And a furious and

1076
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: a heartbreaking letter and it she excoriated the homeopath for,

1077
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: among other things, ordering her to a shoe any pain

1078
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: medication in favor of homeopathic pain treatments that did not work. Quote,

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01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: you told me many stories about your husband and his

1080
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: overreaction to pain. As I was also an areas, you

1081
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: advised me that, like him, I reacted to payment. You

1082
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: gave me a five dollar note with the word phantom

1083
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: written on it. You told me that my pain was

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01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: a phantom product of my imagination. You described your own

1085
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: experience with sciatica and informed me that until I had

1086
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: experienced the sort of pain you'd had, then I would

1087
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: not know what real pain was. The majority of my pain,

1088
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 1: you informed me, was in my own mind. You saw

1089
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,479
Speaker 1: me sobbing with pain during our contacts. One night, after

1090
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: my bowel obstructed, I called because I could not stand

1091
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: the agony, and your professional advice was go take a bath.

1092
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: I endured over a hundred and twenty hours of agony

1093
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: before I went against your advisement, used morphine, and got

1094
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: myself to a hospital in an ambulance. During the months

1095
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: you treated me, the hot water bottles you encouraged me

1096
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: to use as my main method of pain control burned

1097
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: my skin and ruptured my blood vessels. But my pain

1098
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: was so severe it felt like relief. My entire COXYX

1099
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: area is blue and purple. That's cool, huh it? God?

1100
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeahs a nightmare and her housband, the fucking doctor. Her

1101
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: husband was a doctor. Yeah, Yo, dude, your trash bro.

1102
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it. Sometimes you can't. He may have

1103
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: been trashed it also maybe that just sometimes you can't

1104
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: convince people when they get really roped in by it's

1105
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: like a religious thing, like that's a part of this,

1106
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: Like she believed in this. One believed this woman and

1107
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: then yeah, and that's what. I don't think the guy's bad.

1108
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: It sounds like the whole time he's like, I mean

1109
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: especially like your wife is dying of cancer and she's like, well,

1110
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: this woman makes me feel better. So there's a part

1111
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: of you that's like, okay, yeah, whatever we can do

1112
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: at this point. Fuck. And now he's probably like, well,

1113
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill that lady is what I'm gonna do.

1114
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: What happened panel will be. Dingle died from complications due

1115
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: to colorectal cancer in two thousand five because it got

1116
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: two worse. Yeah, it's believed she would have survived if

1117
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: she'd undertaken conventional treatment after diagnosis. The whole case was

1118
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: rather famous in Australia and resulted in a sizeable coroners inquest,

1119
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: but oddly enough, Francines. Bryan face no long term punishment

1120
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: as a result of her actions. As best I can tell,

1121
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: she's still a practicing homeopath because all she did was

1122
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: say don't don't, which is not illegal. Nope, you're just

1123
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: giving someone bad advice, which is in illegal. Thank god,

1124
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: we're all be in jail. Yeah, we would all be

1125
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: in jail trying to sell Snipe Edison. Yes. God, Now,

1126
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: Billy Wayne, after an infuriating tale like that of unspeakable tragedy,

1127
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: There's nothing that I like more than Machette Tennis guaranteed

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1129
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: since this is like tennis, it will fix your tennis elbow.

1130
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Speaker 1: We're going to be healed. We're gonna be healed. Is

1131
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Speaker 1: there before we do this? Is there any Melodonna in this? Oh?

1132
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: Shiploads Okay? I do everything in this room, and there's

1133
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1134
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Speaker 1: VHS tape of the Michael Douglas Paul Verhoven classic basic instinct.

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Speaker 1: I stabbed it pretty hard. Actually, you should serve this

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Speaker 1: time okay, yeah, try trying overhand. Yeah, that's that sounds good. Damn.

1138
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Speaker 1: That was really close to our first actual, our first

1139
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: actual hit. That was cool, and the dusk came out,

1140
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: it was really cool. That's Belladonna right there, high grade Belladonna.

1141
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: Here we go, Here we go. Oh almost, yeah almost.

1142
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: That was definitely our closest to Oh boy, this tape

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Speaker 1: has seen better days, saying worse. I'm gonna try and

1144
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: do it from the side this time. You see it

1145
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: doesn't have an affrontage area when you do it that way,

1146
01:04:55,480 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: It's okay. That was we lost the case. Now there's

1147
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: added plastic all over the room for some mysterious reason.

1148
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: All right, Billy, what's your eyes? There's a pink Corvette

1149
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Speaker 1: down there, of course, because just to remind us that

1150
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: we're in Hollywood. Ye, well, Billy, that it. No, let's

1151
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: do one more, one more, because I think this one's

1152
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: really gonna break apart on this one. Yeah, that's a

1153
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: good idea. Yeah yeah, yeah, I've lived enough life. Just

1154
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: a reminder, everything we've done is approved by OSHA. No

1155
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: dogs were harm to the making of this podcast. Nope.

1156
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of plastic trapnel in the room, though,

1157
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: someone's gonna have to Yeah, yeah, stick that up on

1158
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: the soundboard, Billy, that will be fine. That'll make Danel

1159
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: happy when he comes in here another day or two. Well,

1160
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Speaker 1: it'll solve that too. As the School of Machettison states,

1176
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Speaker 1: uh knife, here's knife. And if a machete won't fix it,

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01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,040
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Speaker 1: dot com. Find us on Twitter and Instagram and at

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