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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky RHTT back with

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Speaker 3: you as we've got a lot of ground to cover today.

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to this episode, we talk so much about

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks guys and what they do and how they impact

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Speaker 3: the game, and how the young guys are playing and

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Speaker 3: who's maybe falling off. I feel like the offense can

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Speaker 3: dominate the discussion, but I feel like this year, maybe

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Speaker 3: more than any in recent memory, this has been a

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Speaker 3: year that's been dominated by the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: We're seeing it each and every week, dominant performances, and

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's a trend here that we're finding

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Speaker 3: with all the best defenses, if we're looking at the

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Speaker 3: highest pressure percentage on four or fewer pass rushers this season,

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Speaker 3: here are the leaders, the Dallas Cowboys at forty five

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Speaker 3: point one percent. The Eagles right behind them just under forty.

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Speaker 3: You've got the Dolphins, the Jets, the Bills, and the Browns,

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Speaker 3: who got a lot of attention with the way they

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Speaker 3: shut down that San Francisco offense last week. Buck, I

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Speaker 3: want to let you get rolling on this as we

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Speaker 3: start this conversation here, But I feel like this is

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Speaker 3: something that sounds simple, but it still to me is

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Speaker 3: amazing that teams miss this a little bit. Man, if

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Speaker 3: you're building your team, you start obviously with the quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: You want to get that taken care of.

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Speaker 3: But outside of the quarterback position, I think the next

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Speaker 3: place you go that determines success in this league is

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Speaker 3: you better have a front four that can get home.

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Speaker 3: Because once you have that front four that can dominate

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Speaker 3: with just four rushers men, it frees you up to

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Speaker 3: do a lot behind them in the back end.

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Speaker 4: It absolutely frees you up. In DJA. I can tell

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Speaker 4: you from our own experience working with the Carolina Panthers,

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Speaker 4: we went to a Super Bowl that featured Julius Peppers,

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Speaker 4: Mike Rutger, Brenson Buckner, Chris Jenkins upfront, and two undrafted

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Speaker 4: free agents playing at corner. So what I'm saying is

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Speaker 4: the front end matters more than the back end when

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Speaker 4: it comes to playing in this league because if you

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Speaker 4: have a good pass rush, there's so many different things

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Speaker 4: that you can do in the back end to cover

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Speaker 4: up some deficiencies on the outside. But the pass rush

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Speaker 4: with four allows you to play maximum coverage in the

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Speaker 4: back end, whether it's man or zone. You can make

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Speaker 4: the windows tight on the quarterback while those front four

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Speaker 4: are wearing the quarterback out own an assortment of stunts

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Speaker 4: and games to be able to get home and really

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Speaker 4: disrupt the time to get the bassing game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, look rat one of the other components

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Speaker 3: Not only do these teams when you look at them Cowboys, Eagles, Dolphins, Jets, Bills, Browns.

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Speaker 3: The thing that stands out to me, Yeah, there's some

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Speaker 3: individual superstar players in that mix, top five picks, big time,

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Speaker 3: big time dudes, obviously led by Miles Garrett with the Browns.

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Speaker 3: But the other thing is, not only do these teams

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Speaker 3: get home with four, but they have so much depth

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Speaker 3: they're able to roll guys through there so that they

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what.

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Speaker 5: The other thing that I was kind of looking at

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Speaker 5: is common denominators here and especially when you look at

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Speaker 5: two things really Eagles, Dolphins, Bills, Jets, Cowboys to a

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Speaker 5: certain extent too, they also have big time in pressure

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Speaker 5: way too. Obviously, Jets with Quinn Williams, Dolphins with Wilkins

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Speaker 5: So it's not just edge rush, right, it's guys generating

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Speaker 5: a look at another common denominator among those teams. Look

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Speaker 5: at the high level corner play, high level defensive back

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Speaker 5: play too there, right, I mean all those teams have

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Speaker 5: at least one high level corner. Now does that then

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Speaker 5: allow the pressure an extra beat to get home and

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Speaker 5: allow the front and extra beat to provide that pressure.

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Speaker 5: I think it is all kind of connected there, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I also think though from a team building standpoint, right,

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Speaker 3: cost you the dollars if you're gonna if you're gonna

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Speaker 3: dedicate your dollars as well as your high draft picks, buck,

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Speaker 3: it's it's harder to find those edge rushers and the

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Speaker 2: Later we're at the corner. I mean, I feel like.

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Speaker 3: You've got you've got a little bit better shot. Still

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Speaker 3: a premium position, no doubt, But to me, I still think, man,

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Speaker 3: if you've got to if you've got to go front

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, work in that front to the back. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely would invest in the front more so than

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Speaker 4: the back end because the better the front is, the

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Speaker 4: more you can cover up the back end. Yes, ideally

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Speaker 4: you would like to have a franchise cornerback, someone who

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Speaker 4: lot like Gus Bradley and those guys used to do

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Speaker 4: man they just wear the quarterback out and make people

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Speaker 4: a wiser investment toront In to invest in the past

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Speaker 4: rushers as opposed to the playmakers in the back end,

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Speaker 4: because that pass rush can they go make everyone better

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Speaker 5: To be clear, one hundred percent agree with the way

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Speaker 5: that it definitely helps in these cases that you also,

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Speaker 3: I also think kind of put a bowl on this

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Speaker 3: The Eagles have a few of them, but man, they've

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Speaker 3: there in elite leaders in sacks for several years. Obviously

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Speaker 3: being able to roll guys through, keeping fresh attack attack. Attack,

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Speaker 3: And that's what you see with the teams on this list,

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Speaker 3: like we talked about the fronts a lot. I want

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Speaker 3: to talk about two linebackers specifically who have balled out

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Speaker 3: and you've really noticed it in this last week's games.

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Speaker 3: A couple of linebackers, Quincy Williams as well as Bobby Ocake.

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Speaker 3: With Quincy Williams buck, I'll go back to when he

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Speaker 3: I did not have a report on Dave.

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Speaker 2: Pilbough was the GM of the Jags.

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Speaker 3: At the time when they elected him, and was giving

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Speaker 3: which was a heck of a move on their part.

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Speaker 3: And but he's not playing like a pro Bowl He's

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Speaker 3: longer Coinning Williams older brother at this point in time.

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Speaker 4: No, he's fast, physical, he's a great playmaker. You see it, man,

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Speaker 4: this guy's all over the place. And you know he

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Speaker 4: has earned the respect of the coaches, haff and his teammates.

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Speaker 4: When Rabo sala is able to imitate his dance after

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Speaker 4: he makes the sack, just goes forward. It's just the

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Speaker 4: the the energy that he plays with. And having a

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Speaker 4: Williams at the front line, another Williams on the second

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Speaker 4: level has really solidified this defense. This Jets defense plays fast.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would say, you know, I think they're

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Speaker 5: on footballs in coverage. Dude, We've seen that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: like Quincy Williams gets his hand on the football in

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Speaker 5: just think that that ability to be around the football

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been awesome and a real instrumental member of

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Speaker 2: That's look, let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: They're kind of carrying this offense along and winning ball

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Speaker 3: that they're generating, he's a huge, huge part of it. Okerk,

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Speaker 3: you saw him the other night against the against the

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills, Buck. He almost single handedly kept the Giants

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Speaker 3: the eyes, the length, the speed, the instincts. He's kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's absolutely how you would draw it up. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're talking about a guy who is super athletic, does

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Speaker 4: nice fit in wing Martindale's skiing Wing Martindale does a

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Speaker 4: great job of creating opportunities for him, but there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of plays that he just makes on his own.

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Speaker 4: He has that inate ability seball, get ball, goes and

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Speaker 4: gets it, doesn't hesitate, and that aggression that that that

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Speaker 2: Look, it's infectious.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the reasons why the Giants play at

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Speaker 3: On Thursday night, we have got Bucky's Jags headed to

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Speaker 3: to this ballgame, Buck, what are the dinner plans there

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Speaker 3: You're just in the right direction there.

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Speaker 3: Rhett, We'll get the Bucky. It's his Jags. He knows

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