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Speaker 1: You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. West Shooler and Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: for the next two hours on a Thursday, where we

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Speaker 2: will fully turn that page and start to focus Matt on, Hey,

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Speaker 2: it's a regular season game in October, right, Okay, there's

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Speaker 2: still half the season to go, a lot of different

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Speaker 2: things at play here, but I think about as big

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Speaker 2: of a game as you can get this time of year.

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Speaker 2: Two storied franchises that Aaron Rodgers storyline, and you know,

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Speaker 2: a Green Bay team that is trying to keep pace

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Speaker 2: with the Lions and stay at top of their division.

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Speaker 2: A Steelers team trying to stay at top of their

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Speaker 2: division and kind of wash out that bad taste of

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Speaker 2: their mouth from last Thursday in Cincinnati. This one is

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Speaker 2: going to do a massive number in ratings and it's

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Speaker 2: going to be I think, a real kind of crossroads.

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Speaker 2: What's the net You could almost write the narrative for

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Speaker 2: both teams going into this one. If they win or

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Speaker 2: they lose, you know what everyone's going to say. If

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Speaker 2: they win. What everyone's going to say if they lose.

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Speaker 3: Standalone games always mean more to just the whole.

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Speaker 2: Country is going to be watching. This is one of

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Speaker 2: those ones that when the schedule came out, everyone looked

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Speaker 2: at it and circled it and highlighted it. And this

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Speaker 2: is going to be a lot of fun. Mm hmm,

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Speaker 2: And it is. It is going to be a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun and again, about as big as you can

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Speaker 2: get for a regular season game in October.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they spruce it up with these jerseys,

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Speaker 3: these throwback jerseys. I saw them for the first time today.

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Speaker 3: I was down to the facility. They're pretty crazy. Every

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Speaker 3: eye in America is going to be on it, even

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Speaker 3: more than most Sunday night games. And they're not the

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Speaker 3: best two teams in the league, but they're about the

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Speaker 3: two best fan bases in the league. And they're two

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Speaker 3: pretty darn good teams that are storied and a lot

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Speaker 3: of trophies and so many Hall of famers, and one

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Speaker 3: of them's now working for this team as opposed to

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Speaker 3: that team. Obviously, the Rogers storyline is massive. Now it's

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Speaker 3: an NFC game, so the math doesn't kill the other team.

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Speaker 2: That bad doesn't affect your tie breakers or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: But green Bay started the season first two games blowing

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Speaker 3: people's doors off, and now they're still good, but they're

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Speaker 3: squeaking by, you know, like where are they at as

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Speaker 3: a team. Steelers, on the other hand, are coming off

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Speaker 3: an embarrassing loss, at least on one side of the

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Speaker 3: ball was embarrassing. And I bet everyone there was walking

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Speaker 3: on the facility. I had that feeling. I didn't chat

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Speaker 3: with Cam Hayward or TJ. Watt knows exactly what they

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Speaker 3: put on tape for the world to see, and it's

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Speaker 3: not good enough at all. And I expect a long

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Speaker 3: week a lot of that to get corrected.

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Speaker 2: I do too. That is obviously what we're all waiting for.

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Speaker 2: Kind of first and foremost is it relates to again

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Speaker 2: another offense that is going to challenge you. It's not

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Speaker 2: the same type of challenge as Cincinnati. It's a younger quarterback,

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Speaker 2: not a veteran quarterback. You know, yeah, it's it's a

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Speaker 2: it's they don't have this superstar brand names like Jamar

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Speaker 2: Chase and T. Higgins, But this is still a Packers

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Speaker 2: offense that has a lot of different ways to give

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Speaker 2: it to you. It does talented young receivers, talented young

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Speaker 2: tight ends, talented running back up and coming quarterback as

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Speaker 2: you talked about yesterday, a one of I think the

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Speaker 2: more underrated offensive line unit as a unit in the

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Speaker 2: National Football League.

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Speaker 3: This is really offensive coach too. Really yeah, really.

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Speaker 2: One of the yes, he's he's he's not mentioned in

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Speaker 2: the same breath as the mcvay's and the Shanahans, but

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Speaker 2: maybe he should be.

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Speaker 3: I know, he doesn't get He's won a lot of

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Speaker 3: games since he went to Green Bay, and it wasn't

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Speaker 3: it used to be like, oh, he's riding Rogers coattails.

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Speaker 3: Anyone could do that. And he's gone through a lot

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Speaker 2: Then Jordan Love came in. I continue to go to

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Speaker 2: the playoffs and win double digit games. Very bright coach,

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Speaker 2: and all those different things. So let's kind of start there.

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Speaker 2: It's a big week for the Steelers defense, looking to

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Speaker 2: get right after that performance in Cincinnati against a talented

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Speaker 2: Packers offense. Yeah, Matt, I want some of the the

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Speaker 2: Matt stats numbers. I want to run past you here.

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Speaker 2: This one pretty glaring as it relates to the Steelers defense.

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Speaker 2: They are surrendering an average of thirty eight point three

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Speaker 3: That is one of my favorites and well one of

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Speaker 2: That's the worst in the National Football last thirty two

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Speaker 3: How many yards allowed per drive?

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Speaker 2: They're also they're also on the field for over seven

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Speaker 2: plays per drive seven point two plays per drive on average.

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Speaker 2: That's thirty first out of thirty two teams. Only the

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Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins are worse. Paint those pictures for us and

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Speaker 2: why those are both terrible signs, terrible indicators.

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Speaker 3: And I put some of that stuff on Twitter, and

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Speaker 3: I forget if someone smart wrote back and to be

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Speaker 3: like this, this defense is all splashed and get gashed,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm like, it's pretty good. You know, like

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Speaker 3: when there's when they're causing splash, they're one of the

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Speaker 3: an accident. Then the Steelers know this. They're the best

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Speaker 3: defense in the league in my opinion, that creating splash,

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Speaker 3: through pass rush, through four fumbles, you know, bat it

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Speaker 3: passes the line of scrimmage, all those things. And this

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Speaker 3: last week we didn't see any splash, you know, sacks,

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Speaker 3: you know, turnovers, that type of thing, and the gashing

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Speaker 3: was happening over and over and over. That's okay. It's

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Speaker 3: not a great way to live.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: The splash is wonderful, and I think the splash will

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Speaker 3: be there way more often than not, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 3: But you can't be on the field for that many

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's I keep going back the time and

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Speaker 3: possession as the what you go to the doctor for.

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Speaker 3: You know, man, our time possession is really bad. Doc,

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Speaker 3: what is it? It's getting the point now where it's

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Speaker 3: pretty clear that's the defense. I mean it used to be.

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Speaker 3: It's a group things. Steelers don't run the ball very well.

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Speaker 3: Two May three and outs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like after the Patriots game, right right, easy to

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Speaker 2: point to the offense went six straight drives either three

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's easy.

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Speaker 2: Just a couple games into the season, boom, it's right

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Speaker 2: in front of you here on the table. There's what's

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Speaker 2: ailing you. But you're right. I think as this thing

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Speaker 2: has evolved and we've gotten more and more data points, it's.

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Speaker 3: It's a defense on the field and it's self inflicted.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, particularly on the back of these last few games, Matt,

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Speaker 2: where the Steelers have been running the football much more effectively. Right,

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Speaker 2: that's the thing that elongates the drives for the offense,

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Speaker 2: keeps your defense on the sideline, keeps that time of

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Speaker 2: possession typically in your favor, and that just hasn't been

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Speaker 2: the case. And so you're right as you're the doctor

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Speaker 2: and you're kind of you know what the symptoms are,

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's I think it's becoming harder and harder to ignore

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Speaker 2: that it is. Listen, I'm not saying the offense is

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Speaker 3: This course, I mean none are, but you know that it's.

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Speaker 2: A that it's an issue that has primarily at the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and most recently it's because they're not stopping the

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Speaker 3: lot of I mean, the Bengal game is so fresh

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Speaker 3: on your mind, but there were a lot of first

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Speaker 3: two exactly exactly. I mean, off coverage, Chase, give him

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Speaker 3: the ball, his average depth target was really short for

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Speaker 3: a great wide receiver, but it didn't matter. I mean

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Speaker 3: he's still getting six. He's you know, adding to those

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Speaker 3: team you're playing isn't a great time of possession team,

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Speaker 3: which surprises me a little because the d's really good.

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Speaker 3: Their run defense is the best in the league, and

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Speaker 3: they run the ball a lot. They're a high percentage

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Speaker 3: run team. But they're also big game hunters. They like

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Speaker 3: to go and love always will be I mean, to

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Speaker 3: go down the field. I mean, if you've he'll probably

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Speaker 3: take and no, we'll take some shots. But I think

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Speaker 3: it all starts, and I feel like I'm just like

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Speaker 3: regurgitating Tomlin right now. But you got to start with

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Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs. Yeah, I mean that's where it starts. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if he is gashing you for you know, he going

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Speaker 3: the half and he's got eighty five yards and he's

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Speaker 3: averaging six seven yards of carry, put eleven in the box. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, like you just can't accept that fate.

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Speaker 2: You spend a lot of time around the team, similar

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Speaker 2: to myself in OTA's mini camp training camp settings teaching periods. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: those periods are different than the practices that they're doing

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Speaker 2: for a week. You've laid this out a million times.

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Speaker 2: There was so much less time during the week than

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Speaker 2: people think because you're preparing for Josh Jacobs and Jordan

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Speaker 3: And it's not like super quick to interrupt. Like I

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Speaker 3: was down there today, practice was starting. You walk out.

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Speaker 3: This isn't a trade secret or anything. There's somebody that

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Speaker 3: has a Jacob's jersey on, you know, like when he

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Speaker 3: goes there scout team right right right. Yeah, we pay

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Speaker 3: attention to those dudes. That doesn't happen in camp or

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Speaker 2: You get more of the teachable moments in OTA's mini

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Speaker 2: camp training camp. One thing, Matt, I'm sure you've heard

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Speaker 2: it I've heard it at least a dozen times now

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Speaker 2: in my you know, eight years around the team, defensive

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Speaker 2: line coach Carl Dunbar, you know, talking to his guys

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Speaker 2: something along the lines of you have to earn the

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Speaker 2: right to rush the passer, and that starts with stopping

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Speaker 2: the run. Yeah, it's great that we have all these

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Speaker 2: guys that can get sacks and get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: We know the skill set of Watt and high Smith

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Speaker 2: Benten who's had a handful of sacks over the last

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Speaker 2: few weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, but you have to.

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Speaker 2: Earn the right to get them into second and eight,

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Speaker 2: to get them into third and seven, to get them

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Speaker 2: into predictable passing situations. You have to earn the right

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Speaker 2: to rush the quarterback. And that begins with stopping the run.

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Speaker 2: And that man, that was a huge issue last week.

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Speaker 2: You cannot let that carry over into Sunday night.

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Speaker 3: So I know a lot of our listeners and a

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Speaker 3: lot of fans were, I mean, you weren't in a

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Speaker 3: good mood anyways, folks. But after that game, but when

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Speaker 3: Tomlin was asked and I don't remember exactly forbade him

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Speaker 3: the quotes, but you know what's the biggest problem, He's

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Speaker 3: like stopping the run. And there's a lot of our

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Speaker 3: listeners and fans that were like, oh, you see Jamar

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Speaker 3: Chase catching eight thousand balls? Coach Like, I think he does, guys,

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Speaker 2: All right, Matt, it uh. It's impressive, as you kind

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Speaker 2: But get this, they are also converting a league high

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Speaker 2: Out of one hundred tries, only one time less on

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Speaker 3: That's crazy. And the good news is, I bet when

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not one out of two on third.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's almost unsustainable, you know. I mean, like

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Speaker 2: Like you said, big game hunter, big game hunter.

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Speaker 3: He has some improv skills. But if you notice his numbers,

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Speaker 3: It's a good point. So I you would think, man,

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Speaker 3: Get You have some good plays and then you get

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Speaker 2: Yeah totally and you know that. So that is I

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Speaker 2: long sounds like it's towards the top of the list. Matt.

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Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, absolutely, Yeah, if you

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Speaker 3: Right, good chance you won the game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but it's these guys, it might not be as

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Speaker 2: It's like it's playing poker odds or blackjack adds. It

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Speaker 3: A much likely but you don't hit on twenty.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right, exactly right. The Packers offense first

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Speaker 3: Play rate again, they pushed them all down the field.

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Speaker 3: And even though Jacobs doesn't have a lot of yards

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Speaker 2: Yes, the Steelers defense ranks thirtieth and explosive play rates

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, they they didn't kill you with explosives.

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Speaker 2: Right, You cannot you absolutely cannot allow this to be

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Speaker 3: I mean, none of this sounds good because boy, they

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Speaker 3: We started the show with man, you allow a lot

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Speaker 3: you just got to play better. Yeah, I mean, well,

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Speaker 3: how do you fix it, Matt? Well, you get off

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Speaker 2: You sound like Dave, sound like Dave wants that right

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Speaker 2: You got to run faster, you gotta tackle better. We

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Speaker 3: Foot stuff. You have to do better than you were

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Speaker 2: You know, And and that to the defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and here, but here's the one. Here's the one

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Speaker 2: We won't turn it over, you don't turn it over.

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Speaker 3: Or just not either one of us turn it over today.

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Speaker 3: If there's no turnovers, that's not gonna be good for

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Speaker 2: Because you're absolutely right, Because where I was going with

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Speaker 2: can make.

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Speaker 3: Up for them. You can be in to get decent shape, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: But if your Steeler offense is actually pretty explosive too,

436
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Speaker 3: which is rare to say over.

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Speaker 2: The year exactly, and it's it feels like it's gotten

438
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Speaker 2: doesn't feel like the numbers back it up, it's gotten

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Speaker 2: more explosive.

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Speaker 3: We by week, we both through the air and on

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Speaker 3: the ground.

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Speaker 2: So you can make up for giving up some explosive

443
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Speaker 2: plays if you're too not too far behind with your

444
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Speaker 2: own offense and you're leading in the sack department, you're

445
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Speaker 2: leading in the turnover department. But if turnovers and sacks

446
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Speaker 2: are a stalemate or god forbid, you lose in that

447
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Speaker 2: department once again. Yeah, that's where you're really asking for trouble.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing is like, when you talk about strategy,

449
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Speaker 3: you know Love's going to be anxious to push the

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Speaker 3: ball down the field. They trust their protection, They got

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Speaker 3: good downfield weapons. So do you play at the opposite

452
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Speaker 3: of how you did the Bengals, because frankly that didn't work,

453
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Speaker 3: and say, okay, we might play more single high or

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Speaker 3: blitz more or trust our secondary. And I'm sure people

455
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Speaker 3: are like, why would you trust the secondary after what

456
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Speaker 3: happened on Thursday? Well, trust something, yeah, right, right right?

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Speaker 3: And we want Love to pat the ball for two

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Speaker 3: point nine and we know he's going to drive it

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Speaker 3: down the field and Golden might get behind you twice,

460
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Speaker 3: but you also might hit him eight times, you know,

461
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Speaker 3: and tips one.

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Speaker 2: Hands on a ball at the line of scrimmage, something

463
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Speaker 2: they've done very well this season, and right fluttering into

464
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Speaker 2: t Higgins hands. This time it flutters into Cole holcombs.

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Speaker 3: Are Yeah, those explosive number of stuff might get worse.

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Speaker 3: You know, they might get be best in the league

467
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Speaker 3: by a wider margin. You might be last in the

468
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Speaker 3: league when's all said and done.

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Speaker 2: But man, getting you a couple more sacks and maybe

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Speaker 2: an extra turnover. But if you're stop you'll make with.

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Speaker 3: The If you're stopping the run and you're not getting paper, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the death. I think I'd rather live that way right now.

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Speaker 2: I think I would, especially when you consider again like this,

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Speaker 2: at least it's aggressive, the strengths of this Steelers defense

475
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Speaker 2: and what yeah, and when they are at their best,

476
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Speaker 2: unleash the hounds. They've surrendered a lot of yards at times.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, but they're getting sacks, they're getting turnovers.

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Speaker 2: That makes up for it.

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Speaker 3: And I know people were like, this defense is the

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Speaker 3: most expensive in the league. They shouldn't have that kind

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Speaker 3: of yard is allowed. Agreed, don't get me wrong. But

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Speaker 3: even like Belichick his great defenses, they allowed. I mean,

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Speaker 3: yardage doesn't equal points. You lose. You lose the game

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Speaker 3: by having less points in your right right, or I

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Speaker 3: make a big play, or I set you up for

486
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Speaker 3: this blitz package or okay, you not allow them to

487
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Speaker 3: sleep and allow them to run. But you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, like yard you don't lose the game or

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Speaker 3: lose your job because of yardage, you know.

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Speaker 5: What I mean.

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Speaker 3: The job is to win the game and have more points.

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Speaker 3: It's not always yards. One hundred yards doesn't turn into

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Speaker 3: five points.

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Speaker 2: They give a ton of yards against the Patriots. They

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Speaker 2: started fourteen points. Okay, fine, you force turnovers. You did

496
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Speaker 2: the bend, but don't break thing in the red zone,

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Speaker 2: key moments, weighty downs, possession downs was was well tilted

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Speaker 2: in your favor. That's where this defense is at their best.

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Speaker 2: And I'll drive people crazy and I get that, and

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Speaker 2: that's the truth.

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Speaker 3: It's it's And the problem though, is that your time

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Speaker 3: of possession starts to be a problem, and then one

503
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Speaker 3: more injury pops up because you're on the field five

504
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Speaker 3: minutes longer, and then two more injuries pop up, and

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Speaker 3: then you can't get off the field, and then you're

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Speaker 3: not getting splashed, and then it's week twelve and you're shot.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I mean there is a nutrition aspect of that too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, It's all a fun part of the ecosystem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that we perfect way of doing that.

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Speaker 2: We love dorking out nerding about here, nerding out about here,

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Speaker 2: say that five times fast. Nerding out about here on

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Speaker 2: the Drive just about every single day. One of our

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Speaker 2: favorite guests here on the program. We missed him last week,

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Speaker 2: of course, because he's a Thursday guest and we did

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Speaker 2: not have a Thursday show due to that game in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: It's the great Bob Labriola, Steelers historian. We will catch

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Speaker 2: up with Labs and we return on the other side,

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Speaker 2: get all his thoughts ahead of Sunday night football against

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Speaker 2: the Packers. We'll do that more when we return. Wes Shuler,

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. It's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here on a Thursday, and to

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Speaker 2: the phone lines we go, and gentlemen. I got a

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Speaker 2: tweet from a guy named Joe last week who said,

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Speaker 2: is there any chance that we can continue one of

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Speaker 2: Dale's favorite traditions? And that was when introducing Bob Labriola.

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Speaker 2: You gotta say the Dean of Doom, the lord of

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Speaker 2: living in his fears, thanks for the consideration and keep

532
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Speaker 2: up the great work, guys. I would love to honor

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Speaker 2: our brother Dale whenever we have Labs on. So he

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Speaker 2: is the Dean of doom. He is the lord of

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Speaker 2: living in his fears. The Great Bob Labriola, Steelers Historian,

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Speaker 2: Labs thank you for taking the time as always and

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Speaker 2: as the Steelers historian, I gotta ask you the kind

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Speaker 2: of sports dork in me, Labs. Every game gets you

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Speaker 2: fired up. That's why we love football. There's only seventeen

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Speaker 2: and they're all important. But when you have two cornerstone franchises,

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Speaker 2: as Aaron Rodgers would say, you know two of the

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Speaker 2: best fan bases, two of the most I think respected organizations,

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Speaker 2: not just in football but in all of American sports,

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Speaker 2: like the Steelers and the Packers, this one get your

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Speaker 2: juices going a little bit extra.

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Speaker 4: Well. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 5: All of those things you said are true about the

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Speaker 5: two franchises, and you know what makes it special. In

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Speaker 5: my mind though, is where both teams are right now,

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Speaker 5: where both teams.

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Speaker 4: Might have the promise to go, what this.

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Speaker 5: Game means to each of these teams. So I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's all of those things you know Sunday night, except

554
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Speaker 5: for keeping me way up beyond my bedtime, you know,

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Speaker 5: an old man like I am. Yeah, it's it's gonna

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Speaker 5: be fun a home game. I think it'll be very

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Speaker 5: well attended. Weather it's supposed to be, you know, nice,

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Speaker 5: certainly not a factor in keeping anyone away. And I

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Speaker 5: saw some I don't know online somewhere and some social

560
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Speaker 5: media thing was pointing out that the resale on the

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Speaker 5: tickets is almost Super Bowl wows. Well, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's a chance. You know that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: may say, you know, he's it's it's not a revenge game.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, I don't think the ticket buying public

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Speaker 5: like looks at it that way. I think they, you know,

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Speaker 5: they see whether it's true or not. But I think

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Speaker 5: it adds juice to the whole thing, all of like

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Speaker 5: what Wes was saying, plus what it means to the team,

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Speaker 5: uh in terms of this season, and also you know

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Speaker 5: the Rogers Packers thing. You know, it's a lot of

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Speaker 5: has a lot of the elements that uh, you know

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Speaker 5: makes her a pretty juicy matchup. So yeah, it uh,

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Speaker 5: it should be fun on Sunday night.

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Speaker 3: I'm certainly exciting about the matchup. Like everybody else, I

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Speaker 3: want to look forward, but I think we got to

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Speaker 3: go look backwards first. I mean, Labs, we've seen a

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Speaker 3: lot of Steeler games in history, or the last five

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Speaker 3: years in particular, where the defense carries the action and

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Speaker 3: the offense just hobbles along, and you know, such a

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Speaker 3: one sided performance. But it's so rare to see it

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Speaker 3: the other way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I've said this on every

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Speaker 5: hit that I've done this week, So I'll give it

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Speaker 5: to you guys too. As somebody once told me, you

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Speaker 5: don't need new information, you just need a different audience.

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Speaker 3: I've mastered that myself.

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00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 5: Used to be as recently as last year. You know,

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Speaker 5: you're crying for twenty points from the offense to hope

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Speaker 5: you have a chance to win. Now it's your scoring

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Speaker 5: thirty one and you're losing. So that's, you know, quite

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00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 5: the flip there, And yeah it's something different. But if

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Speaker 5: you want to, I know, you give me the you know,

593
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Speaker 5: Dean of Doom thing. But I don't know, maybe you know,

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00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 5: we just got to start looking at the Steelers team different.

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00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: You know, we were so I think initiated or whatever

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Speaker 5: used to or taught that God you got to hope

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Speaker 5: for twenty four points. You know, God, on Sunday you

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Speaker 5: stop by the Basilica and light a candle. Please let

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Speaker 5: the Steelers score a touchdown in the first quarter. I mean,

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Speaker 5: and now that's not even not even worth talking about.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it just happens.

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Speaker 3: Touchdowns in a season, right, yeah, right.

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Speaker 5: Four touchdown passes in a game. I remember, you'd go

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Speaker 5: hoping for twelve from your starting quarter back over seventeen weeks, right,

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Speaker 5: So you know it's a little bit different. But I mean,

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Speaker 5: you could win in the NFL that way, but you

607
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Speaker 5: can't win in the NFL. I don't care how good

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Speaker 5: your offense is if you can't stop to run any

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Speaker 5: better than that, and you can't stop that team's run

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Speaker 5: any better than that, because it's not like, you know,

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Speaker 5: that was the you know, Derrick Henry and the Ravens

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Speaker 5: or anything.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll reuse some of Mike Pursuda's room. He

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Speaker 3: remember some of his stuff. He's been saying this week,

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Speaker 3: was you made Chase Brown look like Jim Brown?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You know, I mean, you know, the Bengals came here's

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Speaker 5: another pursuita.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals came in with the number.

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Speaker 5: Thirty two ranked rushing offense in the NFL. You know

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Speaker 5: why it wasn't thirty third because there's only thirty two teams.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they were like Chase Brown two point seven

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Speaker 5: yards of care coming into the into the into that

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Speaker 5: Thursday night game. So you know, I don't know what

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Speaker 5: that what that was about. I'm not savvy enough to

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Speaker 5: tell you if it was just technique breakdowns or guys

627
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Speaker 5: not trying to do too much, or you know, scheme problems.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what it was. But you cannot allow

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Speaker 5: that to happen because your defense is built upon this

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Speaker 5: is the way I see it anyway. Your defense is

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Speaker 5: built upon the principles of pressure on the quarterback to

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Speaker 5: either create plays like sacks or force mistakes by the

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Speaker 5: offense that create takeaways. But if you're not stomping the run,

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Speaker 5: you can't get any pressure. Because the third downs, the

635
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Speaker 5: situations are such that getting the ball out quick as easy,

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Speaker 5: you know, and and Flacco is good at that, you're

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Speaker 5: not going to.

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Speaker 4: Get to him.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think you enough time to get to

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Speaker 5: him on third and two or third and four, really

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Speaker 5: third and less than five, So now you can't get

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Speaker 5: to him. So you think you're gonna run and chase

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Speaker 5: with those guys. I mean, that's that's ridiculous. That's that

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Speaker 5: doesn't that's training camp drills. That's seven on seven in

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Speaker 5: training camp. No pressure on the pass or okay, try

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Speaker 5: and cover t Higgins all over the field. You have

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Speaker 5: good luck with that. I mean, we watched that at

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Speaker 5: Saint Vincent College that it doesn't work.

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Speaker 4: They're just too good. That's the way the game is.

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00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 5: So got to stop the run and then keep Aaron

651
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: Rodgers healthy. And I think that, you know this this

652
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 5: season could turn around. I don't you know looking ahead?

653
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 5: You know, the Packers are I think they were grossly

654
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: overrated after they won their opener and everybody was putting

655
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 5: them in the super Bowl. I mean they lost in

656
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 5: the Browns right them?

657
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys there you go.

658
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 5: Okay, so you know, the Packers are a good team.

659
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 5: They deserve your respect, but they're not unbeatable. They're not

660
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 5: the sixty two Packers. To give you a little history,

661
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 5: the Colts really might be the best team on the

662
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 5: Steelers immediate future schedule. I mean, anybody afraid of the

663
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 5: Chargers anymore, you know. I mean, so you got to

664
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 5: play well, certainly, you got to play well, but those

665
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 5: teams are you can win those games.

666
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: Uh, And so you know, then you start to.

667
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 5: Get into Thanksgiving with numbers in terms of your wins

668
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 5: and losses that are keeping you very relevant in terms

669
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 5: of your you're placing in the pecking order in the conference.

670
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: And then you hope that you know, you're really starting

671
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 5: to tone in or hone your some of the phases

672
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 5: of your game and getting better.

673
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: And then we're definitely seeing that on offense in the

674
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: run game. Yes, yeah, I agree.

675
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 5: So, uh, you know, there's a lot, there's there's enough

676
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 5: positives there. I mean, but it just it to me,

677
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: It just it just was looked so bad allowing the

678
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 5: Bengals to run the ball like that because I thought,

679
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 5: you know, Flaco could be a problem. He's that kind

680
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 5: of guy. He's he has a nice arm, he's veteran

681
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 5: enough that he can be on time, inaccurate, and he's

682
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 5: got he's got some eligibles. You know, those two guys

683
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 5: are that's the best to him in the NFL. If

684
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 5: you ask me Higgins and Chase and you agree that.

685
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. And we just did. Why does your

686
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 3: rank yesterday? We had Chase number one.

687
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

688
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: I mean, so you know, if you're not able to

689
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 5: cut the head off the snake, and that being the

690
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 5: quarterback in the Bengals pass offense, good luck, good luck.

691
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 5: I challenge any any team secondary coverage, go ahead, deal

692
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 5: with that. I mean, I just I think that that's

693
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 5: a that's a losing proposition of the majority of the time.

694
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 3: That's a big thing. I said. The day after the game,

695
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: LABS was like, was their past defense good enough? Of

696
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: course not. Were they overmatch against Chase and Higgins? Yes,

697
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: did Flacco carve him up, Yes, But sometimes Michael Jordan

698
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: scores fifty And that's just the way it is. The

699
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 3: sin to me, The sin to me was the run defense.

700
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

701
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 5: And you know, I remember, you know, just reminiscing with

702
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 5: Dick Hoke one time, you know, a long time Steelers

703
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: assistant coach, and we were just talking about this was

704
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 5: a training camp, shooting the breeze and talking about coverage

705
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and he said, you know, in

706
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: the seventies one Mississippi, two Mississippi.

707
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 4: The quarterback was on his back.

708
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 5: You know, there were there weren't coverage, blown coverages all

709
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: over the place. You never saw him, you know, I

710
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 5: mean they didn't matter. It was something that on the film,

711
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 5: you know, Chuck would point out and complain about, yell about,

712
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 5: but it didn't They had no It had no significance,

713
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: had no impact because the quarterback was on the ground

714
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 5: or running for his life. So you got to be

715
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 5: able to do that, and in my opinion, you got

716
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: to be able to stop the run so that you

717
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 5: can create decision that the situations we have an opportunity.

718
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: To do that.

719
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: I think that's very well said by Bob Labriola, our

720
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: guest here on the Drive It Labs. We spent some

721
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: time Matt and I, you know, on Friday, in the

722
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: immediate aftermath of that game in Cincinnati, and then earlier

723
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: this week too, kind of doing the glass half full,

724
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: glass half empty thing, and yeah, glass half empty, more

725
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: so with the defense. But the other side of that is,

726
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: as you kind of alluded to, I have I think

727
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 2: you have to be encouraged by all elements of this offense,

728
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: certainly the quarterback Aaron Rodgers is I think we've all

729
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: discussed throughout the season.

730
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: I think the glass was forty nine percent full, right right?

731
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Labs, I use the analogy of like a

732
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: presidential election. All you got, all you gotta do is

733
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: win fifty one percent and you get the Nana nanabooboo.

734
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: You're a loser to forty nine percent, right, Like it

735
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: was kind of it was kind of the same thing.

736
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: Whereas if the Steelers, you know, if the defense makes

737
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: a play after that Pat Fryarmouth touchdown, Yeah, we're all

738
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: talking about the defense, but we're saying, how about that offense.

739
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: I mean, right, they can score thirty three points. They

740
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: can get you out of a jam.

741
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: Maybe if Turner doesn't rip it away from Metcalf and right,

742
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: not absolutely.

743
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely right, and labs, I think we all expected

744
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: that from, you know, from Aaron Rodgers, and we've seen

745
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: that from Aaron Rodgers. But I don't know how you

746
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: can't be encouraged. It feels like real progress over the

747
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: last few games, in particular from the run game, from

748
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: the offensive line, and I mean just that performance. We

749
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: would have been singing Jalen Warren's praises like crazy over

750
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: the last couple of days. If the Steelers find a

751
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: way to win that game.

752
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know a lot of times, the way

753
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 5: I look at it is, if you really want to

754
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 5: kind of try and engage a unit how it's doing.

755
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 5: I always go to the weakest link and see how

756
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 5: that unit is doing. And you mentioned the offensive line,

757
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 5: and I would say that that was the weakest link

758
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 5: in terms of what you were hoping would continue to

759
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 5: develop and learn to play, you know, as a as

760
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 5: a unit. You know, there's a lot of certainly football

761
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 5: is the ultimate team sport, but there's a lot of

762
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 5: close combat teamwork that goes on within an offensive line.

763
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 5: You know, double team blocks, twists, you know, passing off

764
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 5: this and that, or you know, holding the block so

765
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 5: that I'm your buddy next to you can get to it,

766
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: and then you go out to the next level to

767
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 5: get the next block, you know, to make the running

768
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 5: game more effective, you know, those kinds of things. And

769
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 5: I think we're seeing a lot of progress from the

770
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 5: offensive line in a lot of a lot of areas.

771
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 5: I think that the the two young tackles are getting better.

772
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 5: I really, you know, and those guys you invested number

773
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 5: one picks, you know, two of your previous three number

774
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 5: one picks, first round picks were on those guys. I mean, uh,

775
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 5: when when this on the day they put the ball

776
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 5: on the tee for the opener against the Jets. You know,

777
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 5: I think that there was you know, some legitimate concern

778
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 5: about uh, those two guys playing up to their draft

779
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 5: status this season. And I think they're getting there, if

780
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 5: they're not there already, So that to me is a

781
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 5: big plus. And uh, you know, hopefully that continues it

782
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 5: because you know, to use a Mike taumonism, there's more

783
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 5: meat on that bone. Hopefully that continues to happen. Maybe

784
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 5: the running game, you know, maybe the Steelers running game

785
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 5: goes into a game against a particular opponent and does

786
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 5: to that opponent what the Bengals running game did to

787
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 5: the Steelers last Thursday night. And that would be nice

788
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 5: because then, you know, you think that Joe Flacco carved

789
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 5: up the other team Aaron Rodgers, you know, he won't

790
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 5: even use nova game, he won't use a sedatives. So yeah,

791
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 5: there's there's a lot to like I think about. I

792
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 5: won't say a lot of things, but certainly some things.

793
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, I don't want to give up

794
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 5: my living in my Fears title either. You know, the

795
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: Steelers can certainly lose any of these next you know,

796
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 5: four or five games, but they can also win them

797
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 5: all too, So you know, it's it's keeping it interesting.

798
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: It is, and I don't know, it's fun to watch.

799
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 5: I wish more people had fun watching it than watched

800
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 5: it decide what they wanted to complain about.

801
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: That's an amazing point and makes me crazy too. But

802
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 3: I'm confident that the defense is better than we saw

803
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: against the Bengals though. I mean, and that's not saying much.

804
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: That was as bad a performance as any defense in

805
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: the league is going to play. But I still think

806
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: this has a lot of possibilities to be an above

807
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: average defense at the minimum. And as proud as they

808
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: are and as accomplished as a lot of those players are,

809
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: I would be shocked at this week is not a

810
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: lot cleaner.

811
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and especially with I think you know some of

812
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 5: the fundamentals because yeah, you know, I I think it's

813
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 5: not the whole key to run defense, but a big

814
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 5: part of run defense is you know, just being in

815
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 5: the right place at the right time, you know, as

816
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: Dick Lebo always used to say, uh, see what you

817
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: need to see and be where you need to be.

818
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a lot of it is is only

819
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 5: that because you know, the the Bengals offensive line was

820
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 5: you know, it's not the seven Blocks of Granted, I

821
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 5: mean there was no Anthony Munoz in that group either.

822
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 5: So when you're letting a team like that run the

823
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 5: ball like that with that caliber of affront, you know,

824
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 5: again that's you said pride. The flip of that pride

825
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 5: is embarrassing.

826
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

827
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would say that that there should be

828
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 5: some people on that defense players, you know, seasoned, proven

829
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 5: NFL pros, guys who could be maybe are on track for.

830
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: A gold jacket.

831
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 5: I mean, look at that, you know, I mean I

832
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 5: I can't even imagine what that video looked like. Professionals

833
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 5: who knew what they were watching, because it you know,

834
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 5: it was it was frightening to me just watching it

835
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 5: on team you know, uh a prisoner of Amazon Primes.

836
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: Uh camera angle, No, seriously, I mean, you know, you

837
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 4: don't get to see.

838
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 5: A lot of the What what you see is fairly focused.

839
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 5: I think, you know, you don't get a wide view

840
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 5: of things, which I think is a way that football

841
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 5: needs to be watched and judged, maybe critique or understood.

842
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: Uh so you know, really what's going on because there's

843
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 5: twenty two guys out there, every snap.

844
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: Of the ball can't see the coverages, it's hard to

845
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: figure out what's going right.

846
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh and one last thing. You know,

847
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 4: you mentioned that DJ Turner interception.

848
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: Maybe if DK metcalf had held onto that, or maybe

849
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 5: if the officials had called it the way they called

850
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 5: that James Pierre interception.

851
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.

852
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 5: It give it to me the same way two times,

853
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: and then I'll believe in NFL officials not being completely

854
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 5: inconsistent and arbitrary. Uh.

855
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: But how is one of those?

856
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 5: Uh? And again again there are enough knits to pick

857
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 5: within the rule book and in the way it's written,

858
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 5: and the super slow motion and the I don't know

859
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 5: sometimes how that the image is that creates that I

860
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 5: don't necessarily believe are the way it happens. You know,

861
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 5: I've always believed that replay should be watched in real time.

862
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 5: Then tell me was he over the line again? Was

863
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 5: it a touchdown? Did he have control of the ball

864
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 5: because you can slow it down with technology today one frame?

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Speaker 5: And did the ball move in the receiver's hands. Well,

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, man, You could pretty much say

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Speaker 5: yes to that every character ever thrown ever, and or

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Speaker 5: you can also say so that's the arbitrary nature of it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So when.

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Speaker 5: Is it.

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Speaker 3: The glove who cares?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: You know, does Zach Frasier hold on Jalen Warren's touchdown run?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 5: I personally I think that happens every play, stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: When do you call it? And when do you don't?

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Speaker 5: You know, that's a heck of a thing to take

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Speaker 5: a touchdown off the board because that was a kind

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Speaker 5: of a backside hold.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, he was through that, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean that had no that had no impact on

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Speaker 5: that play. I didn't think. You know, I'm watching it

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Speaker 5: from black and gold colored goggles though, But you know,

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Speaker 5: things like that, I I you know, I live in

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Speaker 5: my fears with that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Rants over, fellaws, that's.

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Speaker 2: A perfect mic drop to get you up out of here, Labs.

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Speaker 2: He is the Dean of doom. He is the lord

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Speaker 2: of living in his fears, and he's a regular here

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Speaker 2: on the Drive. Labs. Thank you so much for your

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Speaker 2: time as always, and we'll see you on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Okay, fellows, take care there he goes.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff from Bob Labriola as always, mislabs. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was absolutely good to get him back in here.

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Speaker 2: You know, little crimudgeny, little optimistic, throwing some darts at

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Speaker 2: the referees. That's exactly what we like from Bob.

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Speaker 3: That's the bomb, labriolic, more cheerful than I expected, that

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Speaker 3: hopeful and all that. After how that last game wents.

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Speaker 2: That's because he was just excited to talk to us.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe a couple of weeks off. One hour in

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Speaker 2: the books, another hour to go. We have got Matt

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Speaker 2: across the timeline the latest Thursday injury report from both

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Speaker 2: the Steelers and the Packers. We will get into that

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Speaker 2: in hour number two when we return on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Plenty more to come here on the drive. Wes Sheeler

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson at Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio

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Speaker 2: Network