1 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:47,961 Speaker 1: School of Humans. 2 00:00:49,241 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold case murders in 3 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: an effort to raise public awareness invite witnesses to come 4 00:00:56,241 --> 00:01:00,121 Speaker 2: forward and present evidence that could potentially be further investigated 5 00:01:00,121 --> 00:01:03,761 Speaker 2: by law enforcement. While we value insights from family and 6 00:01:03,801 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: community members, their statements should not be considered evidence and 7 00:01:07,761 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: point to the challenges of verifying facts inherent in cold cases. 8 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: We remind listeners that everyone has presumed innocent until proven 9 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: guilty in a court of law. Nothing in the podcast 10 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: is intended to state or imply that anyone who has 11 00:01:22,161 --> 00:01:25,601 Speaker 2: not been convicted of a crime is guilty of any wrongdoing. 12 00:01:26,241 --> 00:01:27,121 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. 13 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,561 Speaker 3: On Saturday, March twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, a hiker 14 00:01:34,681 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: was taking her dogs through the woods in Hot Springs 15 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: National Park near the intersection of Whittington and Black Snake Road. 16 00:01:41,961 --> 00:01:46,401 Speaker 3: According to US News, Arkansas is a relatively dangerous state 17 00:01:46,481 --> 00:01:49,681 Speaker 3: per capita. It's ranked forty seventh out of fifty on 18 00:01:49,721 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: their list for lowest violent crime rate, one being the 19 00:01:52,921 --> 00:01:55,121 Speaker 3: least violent, fifty being the most violent. 20 00:01:56,161 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: Some areas are safer than others. 21 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,841 Speaker 3: Hot Springs Village, which is a gated community, has some 22 00:02:01,881 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: of the lowest crime rates in the state. But Hot Springs, 23 00:02:05,361 --> 00:02:09,001 Speaker 3: like a lot of small towns, has its dark side. 24 00:02:09,121 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: The Hot Springs. 25 00:02:10,001 --> 00:02:12,881 Speaker 3: Mineral baths and casino bring in a ton of tourists, 26 00:02:13,161 --> 00:02:16,921 Speaker 3: which brings a transient population to the area, and like 27 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,281 Speaker 3: a lot of areas, there are disenfranchised people who. 28 00:02:20,081 --> 00:02:21,041 Speaker 1: Have drug addictions. 29 00:02:21,921 --> 00:02:26,041 Speaker 3: The most common crimes in Hot Springs aren't violent. They're 30 00:02:26,081 --> 00:02:31,601 Speaker 3: crimes like theft, including a lot of larceny, petty theft, shoplifting, pickpocketing, etc. 31 00:02:32,601 --> 00:02:34,921 Speaker 3: Followed by motor vehicle theft and burglary. 32 00:02:36,041 --> 00:02:37,681 Speaker 1: So the hiker. 33 00:02:37,401 --> 00:02:39,961 Speaker 3: Felt safe that day heading out to the woods on 34 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,441 Speaker 3: her own. She said she'd always love going to remote 35 00:02:43,441 --> 00:02:46,921 Speaker 3: part to the woods, but on that day her perception 36 00:02:47,041 --> 00:02:50,041 Speaker 3: of the woods as a place of peace changed forever. 37 00:02:50,881 --> 00:02:52,521 Speaker 3: We got a chance to get her side of the 38 00:02:52,521 --> 00:02:56,321 Speaker 3: story for the podcast. The hiker asked that we not 39 00:02:56,401 --> 00:02:59,801 Speaker 3: identify her due to the horror of what she saw 40 00:03:00,441 --> 00:03:02,881 Speaker 3: and the fact that a killer could still be on 41 00:03:02,921 --> 00:03:03,321 Speaker 3: the loose. 42 00:03:04,481 --> 00:03:06,561 Speaker 4: Let's see, I had my dogs. I have three dogs, 43 00:03:06,961 --> 00:03:10,401 Speaker 4: And so you can drive downtown Hawk Springs down Whittington 44 00:03:11,401 --> 00:03:13,041 Speaker 4: and it's kind of like a little back road. 45 00:03:13,081 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 5: It goes zigzags. 46 00:03:14,921 --> 00:03:17,201 Speaker 4: It goes up over I think it's a music mountain 47 00:03:17,361 --> 00:03:19,241 Speaker 4: in the past, and then you'd come back out on 48 00:03:19,241 --> 00:03:21,721 Speaker 4: the Mountaine Highway and then you know, you can go 49 00:03:21,761 --> 00:03:23,841 Speaker 4: on to Lake Hamilton. So I was taken that background. 50 00:03:23,881 --> 00:03:24,481 Speaker 5: I had my dog. 51 00:03:24,841 --> 00:03:27,241 Speaker 4: There are some trails on that mountain that this is 52 00:03:27,281 --> 00:03:30,081 Speaker 4: not a designated trail. There's two places where you can 53 00:03:30,121 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 4: just kind of pull over. So I pulled my car over, 54 00:03:32,841 --> 00:03:35,201 Speaker 4: I let the dogs out, and we kind of rope around. 55 00:03:35,201 --> 00:03:37,881 Speaker 4: And I had been to this place before. 56 00:03:39,321 --> 00:03:41,521 Speaker 3: She went to an area she had been to many 57 00:03:41,561 --> 00:03:45,121 Speaker 3: times before in the National Park, a remote area that 58 00:03:45,241 --> 00:03:48,001 Speaker 3: had served as a dumping ground for trash in the past. 59 00:03:49,001 --> 00:03:51,881 Speaker 4: It's part of the National Park property. I believe that 60 00:03:51,961 --> 00:03:54,761 Speaker 4: one time they used to have it dumps, like way 61 00:03:54,761 --> 00:03:58,161 Speaker 4: back thirties or forties. So there's bottles, there's bricks, and 62 00:03:58,201 --> 00:03:59,961 Speaker 4: you can't see it from the rug. But when you 63 00:03:59,961 --> 00:04:01,641 Speaker 4: get back in there and you walk the trail, there's 64 00:04:01,641 --> 00:04:03,481 Speaker 4: a creek. You know, you can find kind of piles 65 00:04:03,521 --> 00:04:06,441 Speaker 4: of rubble and things like that. So we're just walking 66 00:04:06,481 --> 00:04:09,641 Speaker 4: around the dogs and I'm looking at my newest youngest 67 00:04:09,681 --> 00:04:12,041 Speaker 4: dog barks and I'm like, oh, what you got Because 68 00:04:12,041 --> 00:04:15,281 Speaker 4: they're squirrel dogs, you know. And so I go over 69 00:04:16,041 --> 00:04:19,921 Speaker 4: to where she's barking and I look, and I was 70 00:04:20,001 --> 00:04:22,641 Speaker 4: instantly like, oh shit, like, oh my god, Oh my god, 71 00:04:22,681 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 4: it's Annequin. What is that? 72 00:04:23,921 --> 00:04:24,361 Speaker 5: What is that? 73 00:04:24,561 --> 00:04:27,681 Speaker 4: And so I like crouched, I crouched down and kind 74 00:04:27,721 --> 00:04:30,041 Speaker 4: of looked, you know, all around the woods. 75 00:04:30,521 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 5: That they've never said in the public release. 76 00:04:33,601 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: They never publicly acknowledged what type of remains or the 77 00:04:37,681 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: state of their remains or anything like that. 78 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,121 Speaker 5: They just said. 79 00:04:40,961 --> 00:04:45,161 Speaker 4: Remains were found. But she was just me and I 80 00:04:45,161 --> 00:04:47,241 Speaker 4: only found two parts of hers. 81 00:04:48,001 --> 00:04:50,561 Speaker 5: Which parts did you see? 82 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,601 Speaker 4: I found her legs from the knees down. 83 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,001 Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Townsend. 84 00:04:57,401 --> 00:05:00,961 Speaker 3: Over the past eight years of making my true crime podcast, 85 00:05:01,041 --> 00:05:04,161 Speaker 3: Helen Gone, I've learned that there's no such thing as 86 00:05:04,161 --> 00:05:07,841 Speaker 3: a small town where murder never happens. 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Line because the remains 97 00:06:24,681 --> 00:06:28,161 Speaker 3: were found on federal, land officers from The National Park 98 00:06:28,241 --> 00:06:31,281 Speaker 3: service showed up at the. Scene so the way that 99 00:06:31,361 --> 00:06:34,881 Speaker 3: it works with jurisdiction is that if the homicide occurs 100 00:06:35,001 --> 00:06:38,561 Speaker 3: inside the park, boundary which is federal, land THE Us 101 00:06:38,681 --> 00:06:41,841 Speaker 3: Park rangers are typically the first ones to. Respond The 102 00:06:41,961 --> 00:06:47,001 Speaker 3: National Park Services investigation To branch leads the. Investigation these 103 00:06:47,041 --> 00:06:50,681 Speaker 3: investigators are federal agents and they're highly. Trained they have 104 00:06:50,761 --> 00:06:53,081 Speaker 3: to deal with everything from homicides in the park to, 105 00:06:53,241 --> 00:06:57,401 Speaker 3: poachers property, crime and also things like people growing or 106 00:06:57,481 --> 00:06:58,601 Speaker 3: using drugs inside the. 107 00:06:58,641 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: Park their job has a lot of. 108 00:07:01,521 --> 00:07:04,241 Speaker 3: Challenges they have to deal with a lot of different 109 00:07:04,281 --> 00:07:08,601 Speaker 3: types of crimes in very large. Areas if someone is 110 00:07:08,681 --> 00:07:13,241 Speaker 3: arrested and, charged then THE Us attorneys. Prosecute very often 111 00:07:13,321 --> 00:07:16,041 Speaker 3: in cases like, this THE fbi is brought in to, 112 00:07:16,161 --> 00:07:21,441 Speaker 3: help along with state and local. Agencies when the hiker 113 00:07:21,561 --> 00:07:24,441 Speaker 3: realized what she was looking, at she was. 114 00:07:24,481 --> 00:07:27,081 Speaker 1: Stunned SO i was. 115 00:07:27,081 --> 00:07:28,521 Speaker 4: Freaking, out, like oh my, God oh my, god oh my. 116 00:07:28,521 --> 00:07:30,961 Speaker 4: God SO i gathered up the dogs AND i went 117 00:07:30,961 --> 00:07:32,361 Speaker 4: and got them back in a. Car and the first 118 00:07:32,401 --> 00:07:34,081 Speaker 4: THING i need IS i callised And i'm, like oh, 119 00:07:34,081 --> 00:07:34,441 Speaker 4: shit oh. 120 00:07:34,481 --> 00:07:36,561 Speaker 5: Shit off to the. Barn she, said are you? 121 00:07:36,601 --> 00:07:38,721 Speaker 4: OKAY i said. Yes she, said go back real quick 122 00:07:38,721 --> 00:07:41,801 Speaker 4: and take a picture and then call the. Police So 123 00:07:41,881 --> 00:07:44,641 Speaker 4: ramball's back over, there AND I i didn't really want to, 124 00:07:44,641 --> 00:07:47,481 Speaker 4: look BUT i took a. Picture and WHEN i first saw, 125 00:07:47,641 --> 00:07:52,041 Speaker 4: them they were laying like side by, side as if 126 00:07:52,081 --> 00:07:54,041 Speaker 4: you had just stretched your legs, out you. Know so 127 00:07:54,081 --> 00:07:57,841 Speaker 4: they're like laying. Them BUT i think my dog may 128 00:07:57,881 --> 00:08:00,121 Speaker 4: have grabbed one or touched it or smelled. It and 129 00:08:00,161 --> 00:08:02,841 Speaker 4: so WHEN i went back and took the, picture the 130 00:08:02,921 --> 00:08:03,721 Speaker 4: leg was a little. 131 00:08:03,761 --> 00:08:08,361 Speaker 3: Moved we're not going to reveal a ton of detail 132 00:08:08,361 --> 00:08:11,321 Speaker 3: about the crime scene to preserve the integrity of the, 133 00:08:11,321 --> 00:08:15,761 Speaker 3: investigation BUT i can say the legs were together and 134 00:08:15,801 --> 00:08:16,161 Speaker 3: out in the. 135 00:08:16,201 --> 00:08:19,321 Speaker 1: Open they were on the surface of the, forest not. 136 00:08:19,481 --> 00:08:22,161 Speaker 4: BURIED i didn't really. LOOK i MEAN i didn't look, 137 00:08:22,161 --> 00:08:25,081 Speaker 4: close you, know it just sort of looked. Bruising so 138 00:08:25,121 --> 00:08:27,601 Speaker 4: that The National Park service police came because it's The 139 00:08:27,681 --> 00:08:30,881 Speaker 4: national Park. LAND a very young officer asked me what was, 140 00:08:31,001 --> 00:08:33,361 Speaker 4: up and then WHEN i was trying to be calm 141 00:08:33,441 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 4: AND i feeled out my, REPORT i had a little. 142 00:08:35,241 --> 00:08:40,841 Speaker 3: Sketch The National park personnel did an extensive. Search it's 143 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,921 Speaker 3: not clear if they found more body, parts because this 144 00:08:44,081 --> 00:08:48,121 Speaker 3: is technically still an open and active. Investigation though five 145 00:08:48,241 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: years have passed and there appears to be little movement 146 00:08:50,961 --> 00:08:54,521 Speaker 3: on the. Case photos of the tattoo on the victim's 147 00:08:54,521 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: foot were released. Publicly you could see a tattoo of 148 00:08:58,601 --> 00:09:00,681 Speaker 3: an anchor on her foot with some words next to. 149 00:09:00,761 --> 00:09:03,481 Speaker 3: It in one image that was posted on web, slus 150 00:09:04,001 --> 00:09:07,121 Speaker 3: you can see cursive print that reads and your feet 151 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,801 Speaker 3: on the. Ground so that foot might have been part 152 00:09:10,841 --> 00:09:13,001 Speaker 3: of a larger tattoo that continued on to her other. 153 00:09:13,081 --> 00:09:18,041 Speaker 3: Foot given the limited amount of, photographs we can't be. 154 00:09:18,121 --> 00:09:22,241 Speaker 3: Sure the witness said that after her initial, interview THE 155 00:09:22,321 --> 00:09:24,601 Speaker 3: fbi called her to set up an appointment to come 156 00:09:24,641 --> 00:09:27,401 Speaker 3: to her, house which they did a couple of days. 157 00:09:27,441 --> 00:09:31,001 Speaker 4: Later So sunday we go back home AND i tell my, 158 00:09:31,081 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 4: Husband i'm going to go back over the mountain and, 159 00:09:32,521 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 4: see you, know what's, up what's going on over. 160 00:09:34,081 --> 00:09:35,961 Speaker 5: There, well they had the mountain blocks. 161 00:09:35,761 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: Like you could not access that whole section of the 162 00:09:38,081 --> 00:09:40,201 Speaker 4: highway BECAUSE i guess they were going to search, obviously 163 00:09:40,601 --> 00:09:42,321 Speaker 4: but THEN i don't. KNOW a couple of days, later 164 00:09:42,361 --> 00:09:44,201 Speaker 4: THE fbi called and said in a point and they 165 00:09:44,201 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: came to my house and they interviewed, me you, know 166 00:09:48,761 --> 00:09:50,681 Speaker 4: what happened and what did you see and all, that 167 00:09:50,721 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 4: And i'm sure just to see IF i wasn't. Involved you, 168 00:09:53,321 --> 00:09:55,441 Speaker 4: know at that, POINT i didn't know who it. Was 169 00:09:56,201 --> 00:09:57,841 Speaker 4: i'm a, mother AND i was just, thinking oh my, 170 00:09:57,881 --> 00:10:01,001 Speaker 4: god why DID i stop? There like WHY i found 171 00:10:01,001 --> 00:10:03,601 Speaker 4: her for a? Reason so that was my. Mission i'm, 172 00:10:03,641 --> 00:10:05,881 Speaker 4: like no one would have found her HAD i not 173 00:10:06,001 --> 00:10:06,441 Speaker 4: stopped that. 174 00:10:06,521 --> 00:10:09,241 Speaker 5: Day who would have, Known no one that would ever. 175 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,281 Speaker 4: Known and so then this person's, missing And i'm, like 176 00:10:11,361 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: someone is wondering who is this and what has. 177 00:10:14,521 --> 00:10:19,401 Speaker 3: Happened after THE fbi spoke to, her she said that 178 00:10:19,481 --> 00:10:22,841 Speaker 3: she continued to be fixated on the young, woman what 179 00:10:22,961 --> 00:10:25,721 Speaker 3: had happened to, her who could have done this to 180 00:10:25,801 --> 00:10:39,121 Speaker 3: her and. WHY a few days, later the victim was 181 00:10:39,121 --> 00:10:43,241 Speaker 3: identified as thirty two year Old Page Autumn. White Page 182 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,761 Speaker 3: white was born On august, thirtieth nineteen eighty. Eight we 183 00:10:46,961 --> 00:10:49,641 Speaker 3: know that she lived in The Hot springs general, area 184 00:10:50,041 --> 00:10:52,441 Speaker 3: though we don't know a lot about the time period 185 00:10:52,481 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: before twenty. Fifteen that was when she started to get 186 00:10:56,321 --> 00:10:59,881 Speaker 3: arrested In. Arkansas she would have been around twenty two 187 00:11:00,001 --> 00:11:04,961 Speaker 3: years old in twenty. Fifteen there were several agencies mentioned 188 00:11:05,001 --> 00:11:08,601 Speaker 3: in connection with the investigation Into page's. Death The National 189 00:11:08,641 --> 00:11:12,121 Speaker 3: Park service was in, charge though early in the investigation 190 00:11:12,521 --> 00:11:16,241 Speaker 3: they announced they were receiving assistance from other, agencies including THE, 191 00:11:16,321 --> 00:11:20,321 Speaker 3: fbi The Garland County Sheriff's, Office Arkansas State, police and 192 00:11:20,361 --> 00:11:24,521 Speaker 3: The Hot Springs Police. Department we filed for your requests 193 00:11:24,561 --> 00:11:27,321 Speaker 3: with all of these. Agencies they came back and told 194 00:11:27,401 --> 00:11:31,361 Speaker 3: us definitively The National Park service was leading the investigation, 195 00:11:31,481 --> 00:11:35,201 Speaker 3: currently and The Park service had all of the records 196 00:11:35,241 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: pertaining To page's case in their. Custody we did find 197 00:11:40,121 --> 00:11:43,241 Speaker 3: several social media pages that appear to have been created By. 198 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,241 Speaker 3: Page in some of these, profiles she said she lived 199 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,721 Speaker 3: in other, areas Including, Columbia South, carolina And, circe but 200 00:11:50,881 --> 00:11:54,001 Speaker 3: we have no way of knowing if that's. Accurate we 201 00:11:54,121 --> 00:11:57,161 Speaker 3: know that between around twenty fifteen and the time she 202 00:11:57,241 --> 00:12:01,401 Speaker 3: died around six, Years page was arrested more than twenty, 203 00:12:01,441 --> 00:12:03,241 Speaker 3: times mostly for petty. 204 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,241 Speaker 1: Crimes according to court. 205 00:12:05,241 --> 00:12:08,281 Speaker 3: Records her, Mother, marcia also had a long criminal, record 206 00:12:08,681 --> 00:12:13,721 Speaker 3: including multiple arrests for. Drugs several people who Knew page 207 00:12:13,721 --> 00:12:17,521 Speaker 3: commented on social media That page also had a, Stepfather but, 208 00:12:17,601 --> 00:12:20,121 Speaker 3: again we don't know much about her family set up 209 00:12:20,601 --> 00:12:24,201 Speaker 3: or what she was doing during this. Time what we 210 00:12:24,361 --> 00:12:26,681 Speaker 3: do know from her court arrests is that she was 211 00:12:26,761 --> 00:12:30,721 Speaker 3: clearly someone who struggled with the law and with substance abuse. 212 00:12:30,761 --> 00:12:35,121 Speaker 3: Issues according to social media, Posts page had, children but 213 00:12:35,201 --> 00:12:37,641 Speaker 3: we don't know how many children she, had what their ages, 214 00:12:37,681 --> 00:12:39,681 Speaker 3: are who they were living with at the time of her, 215 00:12:39,721 --> 00:12:44,001 Speaker 3: death or who they're living with. Now what little we 216 00:12:44,161 --> 00:12:47,401 Speaker 3: do know About Page white we mainly picked up from 217 00:12:47,441 --> 00:12:51,041 Speaker 3: social media tributes by friends or her court. Record In, 218 00:12:51,161 --> 00:12:56,481 Speaker 3: arkansas beginning in twenty, Fifteen page was arrested multiple, times 219 00:12:56,841 --> 00:13:00,841 Speaker 3: mostly for small things like public intoxication and drunken disorderly. 220 00:13:00,881 --> 00:13:05,601 Speaker 3: Behavior there was only one felony on, record for residential. Burglary, 221 00:13:06,201 --> 00:13:09,761 Speaker 3: Typically page would be, arrested be sentenced to, probation and 222 00:13:09,801 --> 00:13:12,561 Speaker 3: then either failed to appear or to comply with the 223 00:13:12,561 --> 00:13:15,801 Speaker 3: conditions that the court had imposed on. Her then a 224 00:13:15,841 --> 00:13:18,841 Speaker 3: warrant would be issued for her, arrest but for long 225 00:13:19,001 --> 00:13:23,681 Speaker 3: periods of, Time page just. Disappeared she was one of 226 00:13:23,801 --> 00:13:26,921 Speaker 3: so many young people who struggle with substance abuse and 227 00:13:26,961 --> 00:13:32,161 Speaker 3: slipped through the cracks of the. System according to court, 228 00:13:32,201 --> 00:13:36,241 Speaker 3: Records page was five feet four inches tall and weighed 229 00:13:36,321 --> 00:13:40,081 Speaker 3: around one hundred and fifty. Pounds, Also page had some 230 00:13:40,201 --> 00:13:44,441 Speaker 3: other injuries that predated her. Death she had a missing right, 231 00:13:44,521 --> 00:13:47,241 Speaker 3: eye but the injury to the eye had happened to 232 00:13:47,241 --> 00:13:50,801 Speaker 3: her much earlier and was not something that her killer 233 00:13:50,961 --> 00:13:54,441 Speaker 3: or killers could have done to. Her court records show 234 00:13:54,521 --> 00:13:56,761 Speaker 3: she had an eye surgery back in twenty. 235 00:13:56,841 --> 00:13:59,361 Speaker 1: Nineteen now we have. 236 00:13:59,481 --> 00:14:03,521 Speaker 3: Heard through multiple sources that either someone Who page was 237 00:14:03,601 --> 00:14:08,201 Speaker 3: romantically involved, with or possibly someone she was doing sex work, 238 00:14:08,321 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: for or, both got into a fight with her and attacked, 239 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,041 Speaker 3: her and that as a result of the, Fight page 240 00:14:15,081 --> 00:14:18,201 Speaker 3: lost her. Eye, again we have not been able to confirm, 241 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,281 Speaker 3: This so what do we know what happened In march 242 00:14:23,281 --> 00:14:26,281 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty. One we are trying to build a 243 00:14:26,281 --> 00:14:29,521 Speaker 3: timeline of what was going on In page's life during 244 00:14:29,561 --> 00:14:33,961 Speaker 3: that crucial period before her body was. Found as we said, 245 00:14:34,001 --> 00:14:37,081 Speaker 3: Before page's most serious crime was in twenty twenty a. 246 00:14:37,121 --> 00:14:40,841 Speaker 3: Felony she was arrested In april of twenty twenty for 247 00:14:40,961 --> 00:14:44,201 Speaker 3: breaking and entering a. Residence this was after a witness 248 00:14:44,241 --> 00:14:46,921 Speaker 3: saw her leaving a deer cabin in the. Woods she 249 00:14:47,041 --> 00:14:50,481 Speaker 3: was seen walking down the road In, Delight, arkansas with 250 00:14:50,601 --> 00:14:52,681 Speaker 3: a lot of possessions from inside. 251 00:14:52,321 --> 00:14:53,281 Speaker 1: That home in her. 252 00:14:53,281 --> 00:14:57,561 Speaker 3: Hands the officer noted that when he Approached, paige she 253 00:14:57,681 --> 00:15:03,161 Speaker 3: was extremely intoxicated and, incoherent and she was. Arrested, Eventually 254 00:15:03,241 --> 00:15:05,921 Speaker 3: paige was given a thirty six month suspended sentence and. 255 00:15:05,961 --> 00:15:11,441 Speaker 3: Probation On november, nineteenth twenty, twenty state investigators conducted a 256 00:15:11,521 --> 00:15:14,041 Speaker 3: home visit at the address That paige had given the 257 00:15:14,041 --> 00:15:18,241 Speaker 3: courts In, Delight, arkansas and according to court, documents they 258 00:15:18,281 --> 00:15:20,121 Speaker 3: were Told page no longer lived. 259 00:15:20,121 --> 00:15:22,041 Speaker 1: There according to the. 260 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:25,801 Speaker 3: Conditions Of page's, probation she had to comply with several, 261 00:15:25,881 --> 00:15:30,281 Speaker 3: rules including abstaining from drugs and alcohol and notifying the 262 00:15:30,321 --> 00:15:33,561 Speaker 3: court if she changed her. Address so In february of 263 00:15:33,561 --> 00:15:37,881 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, one her parole was revoked for violating these 264 00:15:37,921 --> 00:15:41,481 Speaker 3: conditions and a warrant was issued for her, arrest but 265 00:15:41,601 --> 00:15:46,801 Speaker 3: again nothing. Happened authorities didn't really take action after That 266 00:15:47,361 --> 00:15:51,801 Speaker 3: page fell off the radar again Until march, third twenty twenty, 267 00:15:51,801 --> 00:15:55,401 Speaker 3: one When page was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct 268 00:15:55,441 --> 00:15:59,761 Speaker 3: and public. Intoxication this was WHEN covid was really ramping. 269 00:15:59,841 --> 00:16:03,561 Speaker 3: Up page appeared in a video visit On march, fifth 270 00:16:03,761 --> 00:16:04,481 Speaker 3: in front Of Judge. 271 00:16:04,521 --> 00:16:07,481 Speaker 1: Graham page ended up making a plea of no. 272 00:16:07,601 --> 00:16:10,801 Speaker 3: Contest she was set to appear again in court from 273 00:16:10,881 --> 00:16:14,641 Speaker 3: mental health hearing On april, ninth twenty twenty, one but 274 00:16:14,681 --> 00:16:17,921 Speaker 3: that mental health hearing never, happened and the last thing 275 00:16:18,001 --> 00:16:20,921 Speaker 3: related To page in the court records was an article 276 00:16:20,961 --> 00:16:24,161 Speaker 3: in The Hot Spring sentinel about her being found. Dead 277 00:16:26,041 --> 00:16:29,321 Speaker 3: according to court, Records page was ordered by the judge 278 00:16:29,321 --> 00:16:33,081 Speaker 3: to go to rehabilitation. Treatment page chose to go To Harbor, 279 00:16:33,121 --> 00:16:37,121 Speaker 3: house a rehab facility In Hot Springs National. Park this 280 00:16:37,281 --> 00:16:40,881 Speaker 3: facility is located right off Of Black Snake, road the 281 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:45,441 Speaker 3: road her body was found off. Of so what happened 282 00:16:45,441 --> 00:16:49,521 Speaker 3: To page after she went to that rehab. Center the 283 00:16:49,601 --> 00:16:52,681 Speaker 3: next activity on the court document happened On march twenty, 284 00:16:52,681 --> 00:16:57,041 Speaker 3: second twenty twenty, one When page left. Rehab according to court, 285 00:16:57,081 --> 00:17:01,241 Speaker 3: Records page Left Harbor house that day against medical. Advice 286 00:17:02,201 --> 00:17:05,001 Speaker 3: why did she check out early and leave against medical. 287 00:17:05,041 --> 00:17:07,961 Speaker 3: Advice who did she talk to while she was? There 288 00:17:08,321 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 3: and did police ever go back to that rehab and 289 00:17:11,001 --> 00:17:14,041 Speaker 3: check the phone? Records was someone with her when she? 290 00:17:14,161 --> 00:17:17,321 Speaker 3: Left did someone pick her? Up there are many unanswered. 291 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,241 Speaker 3: Questions five days, Later page's. 292 00:17:21,761 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: Body was found in the. 293 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: Woods the person who Found page's remains took a picture 294 00:17:36,281 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 3: of the legs before calling the, authorities which they have 295 00:17:39,521 --> 00:17:43,521 Speaker 3: shared with. Us we considered very carefully whether or not 296 00:17:43,561 --> 00:17:47,121 Speaker 3: to make any of this information. Public, obviously we don't 297 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:49,241 Speaker 3: want to put any information out there that only the 298 00:17:49,321 --> 00:17:53,041 Speaker 3: killer would, know or to put our witnesses life in any. 299 00:17:53,121 --> 00:17:53,481 Speaker 1: Danger. 300 00:17:54,201 --> 00:17:57,001 Speaker 3: There it can be costs related to revealing, information and 301 00:17:57,001 --> 00:17:59,921 Speaker 3: we take that very. Seriously but at some, point after 302 00:18:00,041 --> 00:18:04,321 Speaker 3: five years with no progress on this, INVESTIGATION i believe 303 00:18:04,361 --> 00:18:09,041 Speaker 3: there's also a cost associated with staying. Silent so we 304 00:18:09,161 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 3: have to ask, ourselves as we often do on this, 305 00:18:11,161 --> 00:18:15,041 Speaker 3: podcast are we actually helping to protect the integrity of 306 00:18:15,041 --> 00:18:18,081 Speaker 3: the investigation by staying, quiet or are we. 307 00:18:18,121 --> 00:18:19,321 Speaker 1: Merely helping protect the. 308 00:18:19,401 --> 00:18:22,961 Speaker 3: SILENCE i believe that at this point the time has 309 00:18:23,001 --> 00:18:26,001 Speaker 3: come to reach out to the public with more. Details 310 00:18:26,481 --> 00:18:29,281 Speaker 3: law enforcement may or may not agree with, me so 311 00:18:29,761 --> 00:18:32,961 Speaker 3: we're not revealing all the information that we. Have we're 312 00:18:32,961 --> 00:18:36,281 Speaker 3: not making those photos, public and there are details from 313 00:18:36,321 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 3: them that we are not sharing. Publicly so WHEN i 314 00:18:40,001 --> 00:18:43,521 Speaker 3: first read about this, case given pages, HISTORY i was 315 00:18:44,001 --> 00:18:47,281 Speaker 3: under the impression that she may have wandered into the woods. 316 00:18:46,961 --> 00:18:48,241 Speaker 1: On her own and succumbed to the. 317 00:18:48,281 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: Elements but THE fbi made it clear this is a. 318 00:18:52,641 --> 00:18:56,721 Speaker 3: Homicide something else that the person who Found page's remains 319 00:18:56,801 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 3: told us definitely points to a. Homicide there was lime 320 00:19:01,041 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: found at the crime. Scene here's the hiker. 321 00:19:03,801 --> 00:19:06,761 Speaker 4: Again another thing that they did not relate to AND 322 00:19:06,801 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: i haven't seen, anywhere and SO i only know, this 323 00:19:09,561 --> 00:19:11,921 Speaker 4: pleasefully know this must supposed to people who did. It 324 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,481 Speaker 4: was they put lime on her, legs powdered, lime and 325 00:19:16,561 --> 00:19:19,481 Speaker 4: that helps the. Composition it helps with fail like. THIS 326 00:19:19,641 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: i use it in my barn like for a. 327 00:19:21,121 --> 00:19:22,241 Speaker 5: Pope you, know it gets for the. 328 00:19:22,241 --> 00:19:25,721 Speaker 4: Smell but it was powdered powdered, lime so it looked, 329 00:19:26,001 --> 00:19:27,001 Speaker 4: chalky like they look. 330 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,761 Speaker 3: CHALKY i believe that the lime could be a massive crucial. Clue, 331 00:19:33,001 --> 00:19:35,321 Speaker 3: Again i'm not going to get into the appearance of 332 00:19:35,321 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: the crime scene or where the line, was BUT i 333 00:19:38,041 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: do believe the lime could help us figure out the 334 00:19:40,961 --> 00:19:44,761 Speaker 3: identity of the. Killer lime is something that has been 335 00:19:44,881 --> 00:19:49,241 Speaker 3: used in many high profile homicide, cases mainly because people 336 00:19:49,321 --> 00:19:54,241 Speaker 3: mistakenly believe that it speeds up. Decomposition they're probably thinking 337 00:19:54,281 --> 00:19:58,521 Speaker 3: of quicklime calcium. Oxide, now quicklime is very caustic and 338 00:19:58,601 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: reacts with. 339 00:19:59,161 --> 00:20:01,241 Speaker 1: Water but the lime that you buy at. 340 00:20:01,161 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 3: The hardware, store which is the type of lime that 341 00:20:03,161 --> 00:20:06,041 Speaker 3: appeared to be at this crime, scene is. Different this 342 00:20:06,201 --> 00:20:10,801 Speaker 3: is powdered lime calcium. Hydroxide powdered lime can be bought 343 00:20:10,801 --> 00:20:13,521 Speaker 3: at stores like home. Depot it can be used in 344 00:20:13,561 --> 00:20:17,481 Speaker 3: gardening and, construction and it's often used a lot in, 345 00:20:17,601 --> 00:20:22,401 Speaker 3: farming often to camouflage. Smells, again this type of lime 346 00:20:22,481 --> 00:20:26,401 Speaker 3: does not make things decompose. Faster in, fact lime slows 347 00:20:26,441 --> 00:20:30,001 Speaker 3: down the process of decay because it's. Alkaline studies show 348 00:20:30,161 --> 00:20:32,481 Speaker 3: that it preserves the body more than it dissolves. It, 349 00:20:33,321 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 3: again neither type of, lime quicklime or powdered, lime dissolves bodies. 350 00:20:38,121 --> 00:20:41,921 Speaker 3: FASTER i found a study In belgium where they buried 351 00:20:42,161 --> 00:20:46,001 Speaker 3: pigs and human rem for six, months some in, quicklime 352 00:20:46,121 --> 00:20:49,161 Speaker 3: some in powdered, lime and they found That in all, 353 00:20:49,241 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 3: cases the decomposition was slowed, down not sped. Up rather 354 00:20:54,481 --> 00:20:57,601 Speaker 3: than turning flesh into, liquid which is what we see 355 00:20:57,601 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 3: in a lot of, movies lime actually mummifies the. Flesh 356 00:21:02,241 --> 00:21:05,401 Speaker 3: but lime does serve a purpose when dealing with dead. 357 00:21:05,441 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: Bodies it can help conceal the body by reducing. Odor 358 00:21:09,401 --> 00:21:11,481 Speaker 3: soldiers in battle used to use it on the field 359 00:21:11,521 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: to mask the smell of death and make it easier 360 00:21:13,601 --> 00:21:16,761 Speaker 3: to live. Around, today in, farming it's often used to 361 00:21:16,801 --> 00:21:18,481 Speaker 3: mask odors in places. 362 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,801 Speaker 1: Like chicken, coops pig, sties and. 363 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 3: Horsetalls so if someone knew that lime could mask, odor 364 00:21:25,041 --> 00:21:26,721 Speaker 3: they might have chosen to use it in order to 365 00:21:26,761 --> 00:21:29,801 Speaker 3: cover up the. Smell, this in my, opinion points to 366 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,721 Speaker 3: an inexperienced, killer someone who was somewhat. Panicked another question 367 00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,321 Speaker 3: that comes up for me is did the killer put 368 00:21:37,321 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: the lime at the crime scene when the body was 369 00:21:39,161 --> 00:21:43,321 Speaker 3: dumped or could they have come back? Afterwards if, so 370 00:21:44,001 --> 00:21:47,481 Speaker 3: was this someone, local someone who knew the. Area, well 371 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,281 Speaker 3: that's what THE fbi seemed to say in the very 372 00:21:50,321 --> 00:21:55,041 Speaker 3: limited information they have released on this. Case shortly After 373 00:21:55,161 --> 00:21:58,041 Speaker 3: page's body was, found there were a lot of rumors 374 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,521 Speaker 3: spreading on social Media some people said her body was chopped. 375 00:22:01,601 --> 00:22:05,201 Speaker 3: Up others said it was. Dismembered some people said parts 376 00:22:05,201 --> 00:22:07,321 Speaker 3: of it had been found in a waffle, house dumpster 377 00:22:07,641 --> 00:22:11,361 Speaker 3: or in other. Locations, again there's a lot we don't 378 00:22:11,361 --> 00:22:14,201 Speaker 3: know about this, investigation since it is an, open unsolved, 379 00:22:14,281 --> 00:22:17,441 Speaker 3: case but we can say there has been nothing publicly 380 00:22:17,481 --> 00:22:19,641 Speaker 3: confirmed about any other remains being. 381 00:22:19,681 --> 00:22:21,801 Speaker 1: Found another rumor. 382 00:22:21,561 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: That went around a lot In april of twenty twenty 383 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,441 Speaker 3: one After page's body was found was could she have 384 00:22:27,521 --> 00:22:30,721 Speaker 3: been the victim of a serial. Killer during that, time 385 00:22:30,801 --> 00:22:33,721 Speaker 3: there were a lot of posts on social media talking 386 00:22:33,721 --> 00:22:36,041 Speaker 3: about how there was a serial killer operating In Hot 387 00:22:36,041 --> 00:22:39,201 Speaker 3: springs and alleging that the police were either under some 388 00:22:39,321 --> 00:22:42,961 Speaker 3: kind of a gag order or covering up. Information but 389 00:22:43,401 --> 00:22:47,201 Speaker 3: is there any truth to these. Rumors One facebook post 390 00:22:47,201 --> 00:22:50,921 Speaker 3: stated five dismembered bodies had been. Found another post had 391 00:22:50,961 --> 00:22:54,961 Speaker 3: the headline five bodies chopped. Up but according to an 392 00:22:55,041 --> 00:22:58,641 Speaker 3: article IN Usa today and other, sources police have stated 393 00:22:58,761 --> 00:22:59,561 Speaker 3: there was no. 394 00:22:59,481 --> 00:23:00,841 Speaker 1: Evidence to back up any of these. 395 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,401 Speaker 3: Claims they have stated That page's case was a quote 396 00:23:05,961 --> 00:23:08,721 Speaker 3: isolated incident involving one victim end. 397 00:23:08,801 --> 00:23:13,681 Speaker 1: Quote my question, is how do the police know that that's. 398 00:23:13,761 --> 00:23:16,801 Speaker 3: True do they have evidence pointing to the fact That 399 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,761 Speaker 3: page was targeted for a specific. Reason PolitiFact contacted The 400 00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:25,481 Speaker 3: Hot Springs Police. Department the news outlet spoke To Corporal Patrick, 401 00:23:25,561 --> 00:23:28,921 Speaker 3: langley who told them there is not a serial. Killer, 402 00:23:30,041 --> 00:23:32,881 Speaker 3: again we go back to the few hints that law 403 00:23:32,921 --> 00:23:35,561 Speaker 3: enforcement had given us in the limited information they have. 404 00:23:35,681 --> 00:23:40,281 Speaker 3: Released On april, thirteenth twenty twenty, one THE fbi issued 405 00:23:40,321 --> 00:23:43,201 Speaker 3: a press, release and in that press, release they did 406 00:23:43,241 --> 00:23:47,521 Speaker 3: state the investigation Into page's death was a homicide, investigation 407 00:23:48,401 --> 00:23:51,521 Speaker 3: and The National Park service referred journalists who called with 408 00:23:51,641 --> 00:23:55,521 Speaker 3: questions about the serial killer or the investigation Into page's 409 00:23:55,521 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 3: death to this SINGLE fbi press. 410 00:23:58,121 --> 00:24:01,241 Speaker 1: Release since THE fbi and. 411 00:24:01,201 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 3: Local authorities have stated publicly multiple times that there's no 412 00:24:05,721 --> 00:24:08,521 Speaker 3: reasona believe this is a serial killer and the case 413 00:24:08,601 --> 00:24:11,681 Speaker 3: is an isolated, incident what do we know about the? 414 00:24:11,761 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 3: Killer in the press, release THE fbi said they were 415 00:24:15,361 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 3: appealing to the community for help to figure out what 416 00:24:17,961 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: happened To. Paige the statement read, quote while we cannot 417 00:24:21,641 --> 00:24:24,481 Speaker 3: share everything we know at this, time we do Know 418 00:24:24,681 --> 00:24:27,961 Speaker 3: page is the victim of a. Homicide we are hoping 419 00:24:28,001 --> 00:24:30,521 Speaker 3: to learn about the days leading up To page's death 420 00:24:30,801 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: and are eager to hear from, family, friends, acquaintances and 421 00:24:33,961 --> 00:24:35,441 Speaker 3: anyone else who may have seen her. 422 00:24:35,481 --> 00:24:38,761 Speaker 1: Recently end. Quote then they said something else that was. 423 00:24:38,801 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 3: Interesting they, said, quote there is a strong possibility the 424 00:24:42,401 --> 00:24:45,281 Speaker 3: person who did this continue used to work and or 425 00:24:45,401 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 3: live in our. Community this individual likely has familiarity with 426 00:24:49,961 --> 00:24:53,121 Speaker 3: the areas in Which page was last seen and. Recovered 427 00:24:54,921 --> 00:24:57,321 Speaker 3: then they went on to describe what members of the 428 00:24:57,361 --> 00:25:01,241 Speaker 3: public should look for in connection With page's killer or. 429 00:25:01,321 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 3: Killers they, said anyone responsible for or who may have 430 00:25:05,881 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 3: had knowledge Of page's death may have exhibited changes in 431 00:25:09,361 --> 00:25:13,441 Speaker 3: their appearance or, behavior including altering a physical, appearance which 432 00:25:13,441 --> 00:25:16,401 Speaker 3: they described as growth of a removal of facial, hair 433 00:25:16,761 --> 00:25:20,521 Speaker 3: change in hair, color cutting their, hair cleaning of, vehicles 434 00:25:20,881 --> 00:25:25,361 Speaker 3: changes in normal routine including missing, work classes or previously scheduled, 435 00:25:25,361 --> 00:25:31,481 Speaker 3: appointments displays of, anxiety, nervousness or, irritability intense interest in 436 00:25:31,561 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 3: the investigation or a noticeable, disinterest or some type of 437 00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:41,001 Speaker 3: unexplained knowledge of the, situation and, finally unexplained injuries such 438 00:25:41,001 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: as cuts on hands or bruises they couldn't explain during 439 00:25:44,641 --> 00:25:49,321 Speaker 3: the period When page was last seen. Again this would 440 00:25:49,321 --> 00:25:53,281 Speaker 3: have been the time period between Around march fifteenth And 441 00:25:53,401 --> 00:25:59,321 Speaker 3: march twenty first of twenty twenty. One THE fbi statement read, 442 00:25:59,401 --> 00:26:02,161 Speaker 3: quote every day we are gathering more information from the 443 00:26:02,161 --> 00:26:05,721 Speaker 3: community to move this case, forward and the continued assistance is. 444 00:26:05,761 --> 00:26:07,001 Speaker 1: Appreciated end. 445 00:26:07,041 --> 00:26:11,521 Speaker 3: Quote they went on to acknowledge that quote sometimes people 446 00:26:11,521 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: who may have knowledge do not initially come forward because 447 00:26:14,881 --> 00:26:17,921 Speaker 3: of their relationships to people, involved concerns for their, safety 448 00:26:18,481 --> 00:26:21,321 Speaker 3: or they may not realize information they have is. Important 449 00:26:21,961 --> 00:26:25,401 Speaker 3: if you feel that you have information Regarding page and her, 450 00:26:25,441 --> 00:26:28,321 Speaker 3: death no matter how insignificant you think it may, be 451 00:26:28,961 --> 00:26:32,161 Speaker 3: please share it with The National Park service end. Quote 452 00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:37,441 Speaker 3: so what happened To page and who could have dumped 453 00:26:37,441 --> 00:26:40,561 Speaker 3: her remains in the? Woods was this a plan killing 454 00:26:40,801 --> 00:26:42,521 Speaker 3: or something that happened in the spur of the? Moment 455 00:26:43,281 --> 00:26:46,801 Speaker 3: could it been some kind of accidental overdose and then 456 00:26:47,041 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 3: maybe someone panicked and decided to dispose of her. Body, 457 00:26:51,401 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 3: again THE fbi have made clear that this was a. 458 00:26:54,481 --> 00:26:58,961 Speaker 3: Homicide and If page did die of something, else perhaps 459 00:26:59,041 --> 00:27:02,481 Speaker 3: an accidental, overdose why would anyone feel the need to 460 00:27:02,601 --> 00:27:06,201 Speaker 3: hide her remains in that way and potentially dismember. HER 461 00:27:07,961 --> 00:27:11,241 Speaker 3: i want to also appeal to the. Public please if 462 00:27:11,281 --> 00:27:14,801 Speaker 3: anyone knows, anything if you were in contact With page 463 00:27:14,881 --> 00:27:17,241 Speaker 3: during the last few weeks of her, life or you 464 00:27:17,401 --> 00:27:21,281 Speaker 3: know someone who, was please contact The National Park service tip. 465 00:27:21,321 --> 00:27:24,721 Speaker 3: Line their number is eight eight eight six five three 466 00:27:25,001 --> 00:27:28,481 Speaker 3: zero zero zero. Nine you can also report online AT 467 00:27:28,601 --> 00:27:34,961 Speaker 3: nps dot gov SLASH, issb or by EMAILING nps UNDERSCORE 468 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:41,241 Speaker 3: isb AT nps dot. Gov we will be putting links 469 00:27:41,281 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 3: to this information On instagram and at the. 470 00:27:43,881 --> 00:27:44,281 Speaker 1: Bottom of the. 471 00:27:44,361 --> 00:27:48,001 Speaker 3: Episode The National Park service also says people who call 472 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,761 Speaker 3: in with tips can stay. ANONYMOUS i would also like 473 00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:55,841 Speaker 3: to appeal to anyone who Knew page or spent time 474 00:27:55,881 --> 00:28:00,001 Speaker 3: with her to please reach out to. Us we're specifically 475 00:28:00,041 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 3: looking for people who spent time at The Rehab Center 476 00:28:03,121 --> 00:28:07,201 Speaker 3: Harbor house In march of twenty twenty. One if you were, 477 00:28:07,241 --> 00:28:09,881 Speaker 3: there if you know someone who was there during spring 478 00:28:10,001 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: break twenty twenty, one please reach, Out or if you 479 00:28:14,721 --> 00:28:17,721 Speaker 3: know of someone who was acting strangely in that area 480 00:28:17,801 --> 00:28:22,321 Speaker 3: during that, time, again please reach. OUT i believe that 481 00:28:22,361 --> 00:28:24,961 Speaker 3: someone out there knows, something AND i want to say, 482 00:28:25,001 --> 00:28:27,321 Speaker 3: again this wasn't just some drug addict who was just 483 00:28:27,361 --> 00:28:30,841 Speaker 3: a case. Number no matter what Problems page had in her. 484 00:28:30,881 --> 00:28:34,401 Speaker 3: Life she was a, mother a, friend and a beloved family. 485 00:28:34,401 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 3: MEMBER i want her story to get out. THERE i 486 00:28:36,721 --> 00:28:39,241 Speaker 3: want her family to know that there are people who 487 00:28:39,321 --> 00:28:43,961 Speaker 3: care and who are still trying to find. Answers, then 488 00:28:43,961 --> 00:28:47,601 Speaker 3: who Found paige's body feels the same way she felt 489 00:28:47,681 --> 00:28:50,721 Speaker 3: that something led her To page's remained in the woods that. 490 00:28:50,801 --> 00:28:54,001 Speaker 3: Day neither of us feel like we can rest until 491 00:28:54,041 --> 00:28:55,321 Speaker 3: we know who put her. 492 00:28:55,321 --> 00:28:58,281 Speaker 1: There you. 493 00:28:58,281 --> 00:29:00,441 Speaker 4: KNOW i just it just broke my heart Because i'm, 494 00:29:00,481 --> 00:29:03,921 Speaker 4: LIKE i stopped here that, Day like that was. FATE 495 00:29:04,001 --> 00:29:07,001 Speaker 4: i stopped. THERE i found. Her so it's LIKE i 496 00:29:07,081 --> 00:29:10,561 Speaker 4: felt obligated to like advocate for, her you. KNOW i 497 00:29:10,641 --> 00:29:13,521 Speaker 4: JUST i just wish that they would do. Something BUT 498 00:29:13,601 --> 00:29:16,881 Speaker 4: i think because of her history and she was kind 499 00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:18,881 Speaker 4: of a homeless, vagrant kind of. 500 00:29:18,921 --> 00:29:21,641 Speaker 5: Drug user that they just generally give a, shit you, 501 00:29:21,681 --> 00:29:22,801 Speaker 5: Know and that makes me so. 502 00:29:23,241 --> 00:29:26,121 Speaker 4: MAD i, just you, Know god put me, there like 503 00:29:26,201 --> 00:29:28,561 Speaker 4: he put me there at that place at that, time 504 00:29:28,761 --> 00:29:31,481 Speaker 4: and so IF i, hadn't then she could have just 505 00:29:31,521 --> 00:29:33,921 Speaker 4: been a missing, person you, know and then maybe no 506 00:29:33,921 --> 00:29:36,361 Speaker 4: one would have even reported her, missing maybe nobody. Cared 507 00:29:36,401 --> 00:29:39,761 Speaker 4: but LIKE i, MEAN i was so thankful when they 508 00:29:39,881 --> 00:29:41,521 Speaker 4: said her, name and THEN i was, like, okay don't 509 00:29:41,921 --> 00:29:44,281 Speaker 4: know who she, Are like her parents can know and 510 00:29:44,281 --> 00:29:46,481 Speaker 4: and it will be, Okay and then you, know of 511 00:29:46,481 --> 00:29:46,921 Speaker 4: course That. 512 00:29:49,201 --> 00:29:55,521 Speaker 3: I'm Catherine. Townsend this Is Helen Gone Murder. Line Helen 513 00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:57,721 Speaker 3: Gone Murder line is a production Of school Of humans 514 00:29:57,721 --> 00:30:01,121 Speaker 3: And iHeart. 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