WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 7 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.239 Raffie is the voice of some of the happiest songs 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:09.040 of our generation, Babyga, So who is the Man behind 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:14.000 Baby Bluga? Every human beings wants to feel respected. When 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:18.439 we start with, all good things can grow from there. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.279 I'm Chris Garcia, comedian, new dad and host of Finding Raffie, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.680 a new podcast from My Heart Radio and Fatherly. Listen 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.400 every Tuesday on the I Heart Radio app or wherever 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.680 you get your podcasts. I'm John Gonzalez, the host of 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.680 s i s new podcast, Sports Illustrated Weekly. Sports Illustrated 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.760 has delivered some of the best storytelling in sports for 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.680 seventy years, and now that continues. On our show. 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Hey, everybody, 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.400 Robert Evans here and I wanted to let you know. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.120 This is a compiletion episode. So every episode of the 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.880 week that just happened is here in one convenient and 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.200 with somewhat less ads package for you to listen to 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.600 in a long stretch if you want. If you've been 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.800 listening to the episodes every day this week, there's gonna 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.840 be nothing new here for you, but you can make 0:01:49.880 --> 0:02:02.760 your own decisions. Wellcome to spook Oooky Week, a week 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:07.200 where we are not really any spooky or honestly than 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.079 the average things happening, because everything happening is is terrifying 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.960 and like ghosts and ghoules are are a lot more fun. Anyway, 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.400 hang up in this podcast, don't listen, Go watch Herbert 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.680 West reanimat or have some fun um. But if you 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.040 decide to keep listening to podcasts for some reason, we 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.560 have a bunch of spooky content for you this week. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.400 How was that? How was that introduction? Sophie? Oh bad? 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:40.720 All right, Garrison, get going do your thing? Yeah, my 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.160 my thing. So yeah, we're doing. We're doing spooky spooky Week, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.160 which is very excited about. But yeah, every everyone ive 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.239 told about spooky Week, They're like, oh, so it's just 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.240 a regular week for for the show, Like, yeah, pretty much, 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.119 it's more fun, but it is in a few ways. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.519 It is actually gonna be more fun because this the 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:08.400 spook key spooky goddamn yes, spookoky mind bedding tales actually 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.799 do have do have some more fun than just the 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.799 solely depressing ones. I mean, this was this was the 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.040 first theme week that we all agreed upon. This was 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:21.320 the first like can we do something around spooky nous 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.160 near Halloween? And everybody younestly said yes, yes, yes, this 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.120 is the first theme week. Um, we have we we have. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.160 We have been promising Nut Week coming up. Eventually we're 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.440 going to tease about things that made us nut or 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:43.320 where we talk about the legumes mostly legumes. Okay, that's fair, Um, 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.240 but anyway, we should we should have start off our first, 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.520 our first spooky tale. Um, so I'm going I'm going 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.800 to tell a very very spooky tale of a of 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.040 an entire French town going going mad over the course 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.440 of a single week. Yeah, probably probably with the help 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.360 of psychoactive drugs and a certain three letter agency. You 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:05.720 know what, I think we're going to get to do 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:16.800 Garrison accent. You can't be racist against the French. They're 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.160 like the British or Americans. I didn't get a new 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:24.680 messages saying that your French accent was very racist, Tore. 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.880 There is a certain number. It's like the Germans. There's 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.840 a certain number of genocides after which people get to 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.680 make fun of your country and it's not racist. And 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:39.000 that number is, let's say three. Honestly, the worst part 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.040 of this story is that we're probably doing critical support 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:47.960 for France. I mean in a way. Well, honestly, I'm 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.320 gonna be kind of more critical support to the CIA 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:55.880 by the end of this one. Um yeah, that's that 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:01.920 is the most critical support can be. So anyway, our 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.760 very spooky tail begins in ninet one in a small, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.280 charming French village called Pont Saint a Spray, which is 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.240 how I'm gonna say that. Yeah, there you go. Um so, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.719 not much happened in this little picturesque, little little town 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.840 on the south side of France. You know, Uh, on 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.039 the day we start, it's just like a regular summer 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.720 day people are going about their routine, going to their jobs, 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.520 kids are playing in the street, enjoying some delicious freshly 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:34.040 baked bread. Um. But suddenly strange things begin happening. Um. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.039 And I'm gonna start off with some of the more mild, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:41.760 mild mild effects here. So on in August, first dozens, 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:46.200 then hundreds of people began first just complaining of nausea, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.040 uh you know, and some people with some like stomach 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:55.200 and abdominable pain. They're coming up less often, less often. Noted, 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.680 there was a few instances of like vomiting and diarrhea 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.560 um only, but the represented people had diarrhea. That is 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:06.120 that is a weirder, weirder thing. Yeah, that is on 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:11.000 like a town wide basis three significant thirty Sorry, yeah, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.400 it's a significant strain on the sewage. The people affected. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.680 It's just gonna be like a few hundred versus I 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.480 was taking drugs with a group of friends. Third of 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.840 them had diarrhea. I would say, we might need to 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.160 go to a hospital that we have taken someone that 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.400 perhaps what we got was tainted. There is there is Yeah, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.839 well we'll be talking about what actually what the actual 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.920 drugs being used here are going to be, but that's 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.520 something where that's not an uncommon side effect. But yeah, first, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.840 first nausea, a little a little bit of vomiting, stomach pains, cramping. Um. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.880 Hospitals began reporting people experiencing alternating warm and cold waves 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:55.240 over their body. Uh. The British Medical Journal recalls abundant 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.800 sweating and a disagreeable odor, which I'm guessing the odor 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.640 is just because there's all those sting people in the 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:05.000 same cramped hospital room in the summer. In the summer heats. Yeah, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:11.560 so anyway in their French so a lot of scargo sweats. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.320 I don't want to get more messages saying that I 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:19.200 have to stopped to do it more. By the way, 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.960 do we know that the diarrhea was the result of 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.440 whatever substance or maybe it's just the wine ships again, 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.480 we don't we there's no way to tell. So yeah. 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:35.080 Patients began complaining about weird pains and pressure around their neck, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.880 which yeah, um. And one of the one of the 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.480 most reported symptoms was in insomnia, in some cases lasting 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.240 several days. Uh. Quoting the British Medical Journal, the first 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.320 symptoms appeared after a latent period of six to forty 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.520 eight hours. The digestive disorders quickly became worse, with burning 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.920 sensations through the entire digestive tract. Some experienced sensations of 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:03.560 burning at the anus. A state giddiness persisted. I mean, 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.880 who's not giddy when your anus is burning? Am I? Right? 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.640 I fear like like this is like this is like 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.640 the like the clear side that there's like some some 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.400 psychoactive job going on, because like your anus is burning 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:19.320 and yet your very you are born. Yeah, it's like 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.920 that sign from that what is that from a rejected 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.520 by what? What? What's the cartoonist? Like my anus is bleeding, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.280 but like you're down, you know, you're down for it? Yeah, yeah, 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:37.079 you're you're John Millenny impression. No, no, no, it's it 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.080 wasn't a John Linney impression. So far, that's just your 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:47.280 poison millennial brain. Don Hertzfeld. Yeah, great artist, Yeah, great artist. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.520 So these pale and limp patients, still quoting the British 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.360 Medical Journal, these pale and limp patients showed inconspicuous trembling 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.520 of the extremities, and they complained of disorders of the 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:03.719 visual accommodation and especially being unable to read. So this 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.040 this is this is the more mild. This is the 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:18.280 could one ar So this is for many people affected, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.280 this is where the symptoms stopped. After suffering for insomnia 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.880 for a while, with you know, mild disorders of the 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.319 visual accommodation um and you know, and the stomach pains 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.280 and like weird like neck things, after they were able 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.439 to sleep. That was the sign of their recovery. Is 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.120 like the ability to sleep again. African insomnia war off. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.040 But in a in around fifty of the cases reported, 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.719 the effects were much more intense. Um. I'm going to 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.560 continue from from the medical journal first and then get 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.960 into some of the more colorful reporting around the incident. Uh. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:53.160 Quoting the Medical journal again, Vivid visual hallucinations appeared, in 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.480 particular themes of visions of animals and of flames. All 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.440 of these visions were fleeting, invariable in many of the patients. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.520 They were followed by dreamy delirium. Yeah, that's that's about right. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.200 That's actually pretty good description of like l s A LSD. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.640 Those kind of like that. Movies always get it wrong 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.599 because you're not usually not like you're not seeing some 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.559 sort of like visual like cartoon world. It's it's these 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.240 kind of like fleeting impressions of visions and things in 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:19.920 the corner of your eyes. Yeah, it's a pretty good 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.840 especially on lower like it is unclear what exactly they 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.679 were on because then they definitely can be the more 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.080 cartoon la. I mean, you can get full open eyed hallucination, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.319 like especially the shogun chemicals will do that that I 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.520 don't get it so much with like LSD, L, S A, 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.599 and L say, if you want to shoot yourself that 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.000 is that is right some Hawaiian baby wood rows seats 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:46.079 from home depot and have yourself a horrible right. So 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.800 the delirium seems to be systematized with animal hallucinations and 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:57.720 self accusation. It's weird, weird terms from them from self accusations. Yeah, 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.600 it's I think I think they're trying to get at 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.160 ego death, but they don't have terms for it yet 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.280 do that or that, Like sometimes you're hallucinating it like 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.600 overcoming like guilt like oh I did this terrible thing, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.760 or yeah, yeah, everybody's angry at me or whatever, like 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.959 continuing from the Medical journal, self accusation and and it 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.440 was sometimes mystical or macabre in some cases terrifying visions 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.439 were followed by fugus, which is an old um for 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:29.120 like fugues. Says fugues. Yeah, it's pronounced fugue. It's it's 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.120 like it's it's like, it's like extreme, it's extreme disassociation. Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.319 you're kind of zombified a little bit. Yeah, and two 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.240 and two patients threw themselves out the window. Um. Yeah. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.959 The delirium was of a confusal kind, which could be 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.920 interpreted for some moments by a strong stimulation. Every attempt 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:52.600 at restraint increased the agitation. Well, yeah, that's restraining. I've 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.679 had to restrain a number of people and it does 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:59.920 not calm anyone down, especially especially when you're tripping hard. Yeah, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.520 this sounds like a real, real bad time to do. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.200 In severe cases, muscular spasms appeared. The duration of these 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.400 periods of delirium was varied. They lasted several hours, several 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.600 hours and some patients and in others they persisted overnight. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.200 So that and then here it's it's we're gonna get 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.319 a little bit darker and then we're gonna have more fun. Um. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.920 We observed four fatal cases, three men and one woman. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.240 Three of these people were old and in bad health. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.400 One of the men was only twenty five years old 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.120 and had been in good health previously. They died in 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.559 a muscular spasm in a state of cardiovascular collapse. I 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.280 think this is probably mostly due to how the doctors 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.160 were handling these patients. I mean, obviously your your blood pressure, 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.079 want that can elevate when you're hallucinating. But yeah, I 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.959 think it also has a lot to do with the 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.640 way they were being handled. Yeah, you're right. Um, the 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.199 disorder has developed more quickly in children, but also left 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.720 them more quickly. An interesting feature some of the cases 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.719 was that the delirium it was the first sign to 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.280 be noted, So it depends people come up him up 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.920 on different ways, or some of them first had a 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.040 weird body feel like some of them first started just 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.199 seeing stuff. Um. One other interesting tidbit that we're not 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.640 going to spend much time talking about, but like around 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.680 two weeks after this initial incident, some symptoms started to reappear, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.719 either through like a secondary poison egg or it was 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.319 like some kind of like acid flashback. Yeah, it must, 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.880 it must, because I've done a buckload to ASCID. I've 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.000 never had a flashback. Um, I did at one point 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.160 I mean, I have like done some damage and so 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:33.040 I have permanent tracers. But it's not like my guess 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.400 is they got I think the idea that there are 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.640 like acid flashbacks that are vivid hallucinations has been pretty 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.280 heavily debunked. My guesses they got redosed. Yeah, I don't know. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.559 I might fight you good. It's like it could be 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.880 that it was traumatic enough that like they're having they're 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.240 dealing with PTSD and kind of that that's what's happening. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.400 But I don't know, And I think I definitely have 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.880 seen enough reports that would see acid flashbacks definitely actually 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.160 being a thing in some cases, especially in the early 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.320 days of studying these types of rugs and like the sixties, 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.800 like the CIA reported a lot of stuff around acid 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.560 flashbacks around the people that they tortured. But I guess 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.640 it's it's tied to torture. That couldn't be PTSD. Stuff 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.559 could be PTSD. It's also, I mean, one thing you 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:12.599 have to know, and I don't know what kind of 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.680 dose these people were getting. With the CIA, with dosed people, 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.760 they were sometimes giving people doses people do not take 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.760 like you do not take that much like hundreds or 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:27.560 thousands or millions of yeah, ridiculous, irresponsible doses. Yeah. So 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.800 now now we're going to get to some of the 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.040 some of the more fun descriptions here, which we can 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.560 actually kind of like, based on our experiences, can actually 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.120 kind of see like what was actually going on in 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.440 these people's heads. Um, So basically we had at least 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:43.560 dozens and dozens of people tripping very very hard. Um. 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.680 The local postman was doing his rounds on his bicycle 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.920 when he was suddenly overwhelmed by nausea and wild hallucinations. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.840 Quoting him, it was terrible. I had the sense, I 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.600 had the sensation of shrinking and shrinking, and the fire 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.680 and the serpents coiling around by arms. Yeah, that guy 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.520 had some other stuff going. Yeah, because the very first 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.200 acid trip was on a bicycle when Heinrich Kaufman like 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.440 made it and dosed himself. He started coming up. I 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.640 believe it was an Amsterdam like riding his bicycle, which 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.640 is like, well, this is lovely, Yeah, I've made something cool. 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.480 Why was the postman riding a bicycle to deliver packages? 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:26.760 And because because we do not have vis It's fifties, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:33.480 it's not there to France, I mean that I'm sorry, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.840 pot So. Yeah, the mailman fell off his bike and 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.760 was taken to the taking to a hospital in a 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.120 nearby town. He was putting a straight jacket, and he 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.720 shared a room with three teenagers who were also tripping, 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.320 and the teenagers were changed to their beds to keep 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.520 them under control. Yeah, that's that's how it sounds horrible. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:55.960 Flashbacks to this, to being chained to a bed tripping. Yeah, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.240 that's so bad. Some of my friends trying to get 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.800 out the window. They were thrashing wildly, screaming in the 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.720 sound of the metal beds and jumping up and down. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.600 The noise was terrible. I would prefer I would prefer 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.560 to die then go through that again. This sounds like 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.560 like the worst acid trip you could go. That sounds 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.520 like about the worst way you could have a trip go. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.200 It sounds awful. So back in the French town, a 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.920 little girl screamed as she was being chased by man 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:28.880 eating tigers. A woman sobbed about how her children had 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:38.840 been ground into sausages. Oh great, and specific a large 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.560 men founded off terrific beasts by smashing its furniture and 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.920 using the wood as weapons. Good for you, buddy, good 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.360 for you. Husband and wife right around chasing each other 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:55.400 with nys. Again, probably something else going on there. My 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.400 guesses we're not just talking the acid and that because 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.400 I have been on acid a lot around knives and 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.000 other weapons. I've never chased some money. I've never chased 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.680 someone around with knives like the couple who was on 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.640 the verge of a knife chick. I think, I think, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.280 I think the important part here is that like in 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.240 this French town, like acid wasn't a thing yet, Like 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.280 like like lucinogenic drugs weren't a thing, right, even like 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.720 even like mushrooms weren't popular around this time, no one 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.239 knew what what the hell was going on. Like they 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.920 just think that they're just basically losing their minds, like 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.280 they're like there's there's no other explanation for what's happening 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.200 to them. And let's just say that the most shocking 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.080 thing that has come out so far as that when 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.520 Robert was on acid, he wasn't chasing people with knives. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.400 That seems like it's honest, Like, depending on your acid trip, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.520 you wouldn't want to chase someone with a knife. Like, 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.879 it's not it's not the kind of we would we 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.080 would like during this, Yeah, we would. We would take 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.080 a bunch of drugs and grab my A K forty 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:54.720 seven and hike out into the woods and we would 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.520 shoot down a fir tree and we would drag it 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.560 back to a clearing and we would bury it standing up, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.600 and we would drape it in pig intestines and put 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.119 a pig's heart on it, and when we cover it 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.080 in gasoline and lighted with firecrackers and dance around it 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.600 like the pagans of old. But there was nothing aggressive 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.600 about no. You you you very rarely would want to 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.320 hurt somebody on acid. And my experience like you generally 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.600 generally are at least like way more compassionate in a 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.400 lot of ways. Um, But if you have no idea 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.359 what acid is and you're just you're in the nineteen 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.760 fifties and you're losing your mind and you're seeing weird 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.880 things that, Yeah, I can see how this would maybe 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.920 cause some other types of behavior. You just think that 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.639 because is angry at you, like like like it's like 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.280 they're not they're not dosing themselves either, like they're being 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.480 dosed rights like they don't. It's very different where like 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.879 you're deciding to go with a trip versus this is 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.400 happening to you when you have no decision. I think 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.320 for basically anyone in this position, the logical assumption would be, oh, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.439 the devil has taken over our town and our minds 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.080 have we have been infested with demons. Like that's what 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.879 else are you going to assume? You're not gonna be like, Oh, 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.600 this drug that's just barely been invented and that nobody 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.440 really knows about yet except are weird nerds. It must 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.840 be some version of that that I've taken accidentally. No, 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:08.280 you're going to do in your blood. So one interesting tid. 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.200 But before we before we go and break, um, even 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.680 some of the local animals had been affected by whatever 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.680 poison in the town. Um there there was there was 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.760 one dog in particular that kept chewing on rocks until 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.960 its teeth chipped away like this, And and ducks were 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.399 behaving very odd. Um it's described it. They were. They 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.879 were walking around erect and upright, like penguins in a line. 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:36.159 And they're just like weird, weird behavior from ducks I've 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.359 heard so far that kind of makes me want to 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.720 dose our ducks. Scares. We are not We're not wasting 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.639 acid on the ducks a lot. I mean, there's a 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.480 lot of things you could give ducks. We're not. We're 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.280 not giving ducks assets. That's not a thing about giving 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.320 ducks drugs. Is they're all monsters. That is true. They 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:58.600 are monsters and rapists, every one of them. Yeah, ducks. 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.600 So anyway, re occurring theme was that people were running 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.960 around wildly and being very fearful of like monstery animals 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.879 and encroaching flames. Um, it sounds like the ducks are 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:12.399 having a good time doing their ministry of silly walk shit. Like, 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.600 I don't know what all these people are bummed about. 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.119 This is rad okay. So when when you first said that, 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:18.760 I heard dogs and I was like, that is the 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.879 most terrible ever heard ducks. It's like ducks standing like 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.280 very upright, like penguins walking around in the line. I 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:28.800 think ducks might enjoy it. I think dogs are a 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.960 little too aware of what's going on. Dog. The stone 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:37.560 thing was about the dog, Yeah with the dog. Yeah, 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.600 I just don't know that the dogs enjoy because, like 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.600 I've seen dogs accidentally eat large amounts of pot and 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.840 whatnot and they get weird. They they they're they're pretty scared. 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.760 They're pretty're pretty scared. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:58.160 is also very spooky? Yeah, capitalism and all of these 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:03.400 spooky advertising to sell things. Advertisements are also a form 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.120 of mind control. Speaking of the CIA in the fifties anyway, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:18.879 profoundly damaging. We are back from the spooky advertised yeah anyway. Um. So, 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.600 I think another another reoccurring factor for why a lot 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.160 of these people have very similar types of experiences around 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.040 like snakes, um, which we're talking about later, and like flames, 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.000 is like with this many people tripping and no one 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.440 knows what tripping is. I think it's really easy for 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.639 an idea or a fear to spread from one person 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:38.040 to another while they're tripping. Um. With like this many people, 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:39.960 I think if someone says something, it's going to start 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.000 happening to someone else, and it's kind of kind of 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.119 this like cascading effect where they're all developed these very 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.600 similar fear is because it's almost like being spread like 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:52.320 an infection. Um. So there was there was a one 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.399 man convinced that red snakes were devouring his brain and 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.040 he jumped out a window. Oh did he live to this? 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.880 He did live? Um? I'm guessing a lot of these 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:04.160 It's it's like France in the fifties, So I'm guessing 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.520 most of these buildings are not super They're not super 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.160 high up. No, No, you're like falling a foot or two. 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:13.200 Although here we have another one. Another mad reportedly left 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:17.440 for a window yelling, look, everyone, I'm a dragonfly. The 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:23.679 men broke. The men broke both legs, but he stood 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:33.639 up and continued running. Rad king Sigma stigma behavior absolute sigma. 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:41.040 This is a new kind of man. Just drapped. Look everyone, 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.439 I have a dragonfly, breaks both legs to keeps running. 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.680 Based on the information you've provided us, I can't say 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:53.239 he's not a dragon. No, he is an absolute, absolute king. 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.280 Good for I hope he had a great life. Yeah. 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:03.280 Another one saw his heart escape through his feet and 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.040 beseeched the doctor to try to put it back into place. 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:08.880 You don't want to have that happen. That doesn't sound fun. 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:11.680 You want to keep that somewhere around the middle of 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.480 your body. Someone sprinted down the lane, claiming that he 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:20.119 was being chased by bandits with donkey ears. A nearby river. 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:21.959 A man was convinced that he was a circus tight 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.359 rope walker and attempted to balance his way across the 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:28.720 cables of a suspension bridge. No, it doesn't say. The 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:34.560 report does not tell you. He's not in the death report. 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:40.040 Yeah he's. And therefore another another person did try to 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.320 die in the river. He tried to jump into the river, 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.000 only to be saved by his friends. And he was screaming, 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.560 I am dead, I am dead, and my head is 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.600 made of copper, and I have snakes in my stomach 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:56.280 and they are burning me. It's such a weird description 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.560 of like tripping and saying like my head is made 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:02.280 of copper. I'm trying to think of what was going on, what, 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.280 like what what series of events did did he spiral 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.959 down in his brain to have that sentence I did? 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.520 I'm not quite sure. It's it's it's it's definitely. I 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:13.560 can definitely see it happening. I just I just I'm 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.760 trying to think, like we're exactly what what happened to 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:19.280 get to that point. It's really really interesting. I think 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.960 some of these are hard because again it's like these 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.159 people just think literally think they're going insane or that 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:27.520 like this stuff is just actually happening to them, Like 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:29.200 you were like when when you're tripping on acid, you 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.040 already kind of have the feeling that there is moments 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:33.280 where you feel like this is like this is like 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.639 never gonna end, even though even though you know you 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.439 know you're on acid. These people don't know that, right, 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.399 Like these people don't have the reascernce to like, no, 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.440 I took acid, I'm on a drug. This is gonna 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:46.239 be over. They think this is gonna last forever, right 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.119 Like they think this this is just the world now, 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.760 like this is just one of those Anton Wilson, who 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:52.520 is a thinker I enjoy a lot, writes a lot 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:54.960 about how to calm people down when they've taken too much, 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.520 and most of his advices around talking about like, okay, 0:24:57.560 --> 0:24:59.240 well how long ago did you take it? Hey, well 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:00.960 that the good news is that this is going to 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:02.760 end here you know it's only gonna last this long, 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.760 like you're you're through this point. Oh, this is the 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.800 this is the second hour, freakies, and by the third 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.040 hour you'll be fine again and enjoying it. Like it's 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.359 all about making keeping in people's minds like this is 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.119 going to pass. So yeah, you're right, Like this is 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:20.040 the fucking worst way to take drugs. Alright, So local 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:24.080 newspapers uh and also like in national newspapers described described 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:28.320 this as a among the stricken delirium rose patients thrash 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.320 wildly on their beds, screaming that red flowers were blossoming 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:34.560 from their bodies, people throwing themselves some rooftops, men and 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.160 women throwing their clothes off and running in the streets naked, 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.600 and children complaining their stomachs were infested with coils and snakes. 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:44.280 Which I mean, half of that sounds like, yeah, that's 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.440 like a normal good time just running around the streets 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.240 naked on acid. Other I was like, yeah, that that 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.399 doesn't seem pleasant with coils and snakes in your stomach, 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.479 but also like flowers blossoming fund your body. I can, 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.000 I can, I can understand that kind of sensation. Um, 0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.960 but like it definitely definitely wasn't all horrible and the 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.280 night like nightmare we were. We already mentioned the giddy 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:05.120 people with burning anuses, um, but for like the full 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.040 and tripping folks. According to the New York Times, there's 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.000 reports of people like hearing heavenly choruses and seeing you know, 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.080 bright colors the world look beautiful to them. Apparently the 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:18.280 head of the farming co op wrote hundreds of pages 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:24.639 of like enlightened tripping poetry. That that guy must be 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:28.399 sick as ship because knowing nothing, he starts tripping. Not 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.920 knowing he's tripping. It's just like time to make some 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:34.760 fucking art. You know what, this head state is good 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.960 for writing some ship. He just went to his cabinets 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:43.719 wrote poetry. That's fucking awesome. That's a guy. I'll bet 0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:47.040 he handled just everything that life through it. Well, Like 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.720 that says a lot about you when you're like, oh, 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.840 demons have infiltrated my brain. Yes, I'm gonna hang out 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:59.680 in my cabin and write some poems hundreds of pages. Wow, 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.240 like I could. I can hardly write ship on acid. 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:09.680 I cannot imagine trying to write poetry. I've done a 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.359 lot of creative stuff on acid. Creative stuff. Yeah, I 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.639 just feel like specifically, like reading and typing can can 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.800 be hard at certain points. You know, if if you're 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:18.960 like coming down that it can be easier. But like 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.520 a good for like writing, it's good for ideas that 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:28.240 you later can flesh out into writing. But yeah, so unfortunately, 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.280 you know, because this was you know, no one who 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.840 was going on. Many people were taken to local asylums 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:37.160 in straight jackets and tied onto beds, making things undoubtedly 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.280 worse for people tripping. It's one of those things I 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.160 can't even be angry at them because like they don't 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.639 know what's going you know, like you no idea what's 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:47.720 going on the whole, Like every attemptant restraint increase the 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.080 agitation line. It's like horrifying from the concept of like 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.160 you're tripping, you do you do? You don't know what's 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.359 going on, and people are tying you down to beds, 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:55.960 making you feel like you're even more stuck in this 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.560 permanent set of delirium. It's just it's just it is 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.840 the worst nightmare. Yeah, if this is horrible, The mayor 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.159 of the town said, like, I've seen healthy men and 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:08.080 women suddenly become terrorized, ripping in their bed sheets, hiding 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.600 themselves beneath their blankets to escape their hallucinations. So yeah, 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.760 it's it's if you, if you, if you don't know 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:17.240 what's going on, pretty pretty pretty scary, except for the 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:21.879 poetry guy. Good for him, yeah, good for him. Um yeah, so, 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.600 but by by the time the effects had subsided for 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.000 everyone affected, which is around like a few days after 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:30.480 the initial reported like nausea, like you know, not it 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:32.520 didn't affect everyone at the same time. You know, some 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.760 people got dosed later on. It's it's it's unclear what 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.880 exactly because it's of the fifties, we didn't have a 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:42.440 great idea of the exact timeline of events of like 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.360 when the first effects were felt and like how all 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.360 the was spaced out. But this whole instant arrassed lasted 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.560 around like a few days for like everyone, everyone totaled. UM. 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.720 It was supported that anywhere between like three hundred and 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.960 five hundred people had felt the effects UM, you know, 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.360 around fifty feeling very very extreme like open i like 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:02.840 hallucinations of objects that aren't even there, like like very 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.240 extreme hallucinations. UM. And and four people did die in 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.360 connection to the poisoning UM at least where people died. 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.280 It's again it's unclear for exact numbers for a lot 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:15.160 of this stuff. UM. An investigation into the sudden outbreak 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.440 of the madness was probably underway. Town officials wanted to 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:20.320 get to the bottom of this as quickly as possible. 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:27.280 Do you want to figure out what was happening? Um, 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.640 and the blame fell onto a single batch of bread, 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.920 so among the common denominator among those affected that they 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:43.520 all allegedly consumed bread from one specific baker. He was 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.160 accused of using er got contaminated rye flower, and he 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.800 was arrested and a temporarily imprisoned um. Also, a nearby 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.080 miller that he got the flower from was also arrested 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:58.080 and given some of the blame um. The funny part 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.960 is that around this time, the French government had a 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.720 very top down grain distribution system that originally controlled everything 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.440 about where the grains were milled, where they were sent, 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.960 and what bakers could use which flower, so bakers had 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.200 no choice and what type of flower to use or 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:13.760 what kind of a grain they could use some baking. 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.280 It was all decided by other people because France bread 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.800 is like real big deal and pretty pretty pretty important. Yeah, 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.720 for the record, just like air got poisoning. There are 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:28.160 a lot of cases of like different like dancing manias 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.720 and whatnot in like the medieval in medieval Europe, or 0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:33.280 like whole towns will be well, everyone will start like 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.040 dancing or like hallucinating, and you know they always came 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.440 down as like these people assumed apocryphal of stories about 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.000 like demon possessions or whatnot. And now a lot of 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.320 the suspicion is like, oh yeah, some air god gotten No, 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.520 yeah it was. It was just poisoning. It seems like 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.800 one of the rougher trips to go on. It's not 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.240 super clean, it's no. I mean I've done L s A, 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.720 which I think is similar and similar to their tripp 0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:01.280 to means that are like really rough in it's I 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:05.760 would not don't don't do L s A. No. Hawaiian 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.000 baby wood roase seeds for if you're going to take 0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:16.680 L s A, than actually like synthesizing, which is fel um. 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.960 But you can just buy Hawaiian baby wood roase seeds 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.200 and eat them and you will have maybe the worst 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:25.080 trip of your life. Great advice from the from the 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.000 pod um. So yeah, on on on on the on 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:32.000 the On the rye and ergot topic, the past growing 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:35.520 season was especially wet and orgot fun guy did grow 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.840 across the country's rye fields. Um, but the amount of 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:40.760 ergot on the rye and the amount of rye used 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.000 in baking was thought to not be enough to induce 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.120 any any type of poisoning. Um. In fact that the 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:48.880 last time or like orgot poisoning had struck France was 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:51.600 back in was back in eighteen sixteen, so almost like 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:55.280 a century and a half before this incident, and a 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.040 century if it's the fifties, right, litt less than a century. No, 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:04.320 So the last instant was eighteen sixteen. This was nine no, no, 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.800 a century and a half ago. Um. And no other 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.400 towns anything, and no other part of France was affected 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.800 by anything similar to this. Um. So the ur got 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:19.160 thing is kind of iffy um it. But the explanation 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.560 was the only thing that doctors investigators could come to 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.200 would do, like you know, the their their limited knowledge 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.560 around brain altering substances, and just pressure from town officials 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.360 to get to the bottom of this so that they 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.840 had something to blame and people could move on. Um. 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.440 But you know, as a result, not much evidence really 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.440 backs up there backs up there got claim, and a 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.880 lot of experts today kind of deemon bunk um it 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.840 doesn't There's and and there's a bunch of like, um, 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.720 there's this thing hike on that the Greeks would take 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.120 that was like this Greek collucinatory thing that they think 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.000 it was because they were putting grain and wine and 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:53.880 it might have been air got poisoned, but also like 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.160 people enjoyed it, and so there's a lot of debate 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.160 over whether or not it could have been ergot But 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.640 I don't know, Um, I don't know what else is 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:06.440 There are other other theories about what it might Boy 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:12.200 is it the CIA? Where can they get to it? So, yeah, 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:14.600 it doesn't really make much sense that the high amounts 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.200 of urgot rye would only be in one batch of 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:17.760 grain used in a single batch of bread from just 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:21.400 one bakery in one small town. Doesn't doesn't really make sense. Um. 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:25.360 Other explanations um that people have come to includes like 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.680 mercury poisoning and overuse of other fungicides. These have been 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:33.280 mostly disproven that seem like mercury poisoning. No, but there 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.720 is a guy who likes to drink some mercury, you know, boy. 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.040 So yeah, So there's a lot of other theories around, 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.479 like fungic sides being used, but those have been kind 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.480 of disproved by some people, but others still a point 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.479 to them as possible explanations. But but there is one 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.400 other theory that we will focus on that features two 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:55.760 of my favorite things uh LSD and the nineteen fifties 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:57.960 CIA because if you're gonna pick a c I A, 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:03.239 they had the most fun. They had the most right, 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.000 Like you know who else has a lot of fun? 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:08.759 Garrison who is also the nineteen fifties c i A 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:14.560 whom our sponsors. Oh really gonna happen here is sponsored 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:18.440 only by the fifties c i A. Only the one 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:20.719 from the fifties. Yeah, when you order any of our 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:24.240 product products, they will come to your house and inject 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.799 you with seven thousand hits of LSD. Hey free, Hey, 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.440 that is that sounds like a great deal. Honestly, you're 0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.320 saving a lot of money. You are saying that that 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.520 is a lot of free a lot of acid for 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.759 the amount of money you're spending that you won't do 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.719 more acid, that's for sure. You that that's acid for life. 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.239 You do it again? Yeah, you might, you probably, You 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:45.520 won't have to do it, you won't. You want to 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.600 do any expenses ever again. Yeah, you'll survive. You'll just 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:51.680 be a very different person by the end of the Yeah, 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:56.200 you you won't survive your body with it. At the 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.360 end of that someone else will wake up. So I 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:03.200 speaking of taking up here as a products so nineteen 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:08.080 fifties c I A UM wild time in two US 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.040 and nine. Hank P. Albarelli is an an American writer 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.000 and journalist released a book called A Terrible Mistake, which 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.080 focuses on the suspicious death of a CIA scientist named 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.480 Frank Olson, who worked on the CIA mind control experiments 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:25.200 during the late forties and early fifties. While researching the book, 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.799 Albarelli claims to have come across a number of old 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.279 CIA and White House documents referencing the Pont Saint de 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.880 Sprite incident, and he claims that the village was the 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.200 target of a CIA experiment on the mass effects of 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.279 LSD and that around the time that Frank Olsen wanted 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:41.919 to sever his ties with the Army and CIA, Frank 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.799 started talking about his participation in the experiment, which may 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.560 have led to the government off in Olson. So I 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:49.960 know that is a lot and it is slightly more 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.120 than justice speculation. We're going to get into the evidence 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.960 here shortly, UM, but by now it's pretty well known 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.200 that throughout the forties, fifties, and sixties, both the U. S. 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.520 Army and the CIA tried to use hallucinoge hallucinogenic drugs 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.719 such as LSD as both an offensive weapon and as 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.640 a way to make like psychic super soldiers. Programs like 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:12.200 mk Ultra and k Naomi Project Bluebird, Project Artichoke, UM, 0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:15.279 Lots of lots of these things were trying to find 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.279 different ways of using LSD for like offensive and defensive means. UM. 0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.480 Some of the interest was promoted by was was prompted 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:25.799 by reports of the Soviet Union doing experiments with drugs 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:27.759 around the same time. Also stuff around like you know, 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.560 hYP like like like like psychic powers and hypno says. 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.680 This was very popular around this time for for lots 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:39.920 of different intelligence agencies. UM. But so Albert Ellie uncovered 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.000 report from nineteen forty nine by the director of the 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.799 Edwood Arsenal which many which which was where many US 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.960 government LSD experiments were carried out, and this report stated 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.840 that the Army should do everything, everything is post everything, 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.239 everything possible to launch so called field experiments using this drug. 0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.840 And later in his to US A nine book a 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.400 Really claims that he found references to a government document 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:07.719 with the label rett SPRI and f Olsen files s 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:12.760 O SPAN slash France Operation File inclusive Olsen intel files. 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.440 Hand Carrie to Bellan, tell him to see to it 0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.759 that these are buried. Um, this document does exist like 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:20.360 we we we like we we we we we do 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:24.040 have this label on on this document um, but like 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.520 the actual contents of the documents are are gone. But 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:28.440 this is this is this is this is just a 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:35.200 label that is being referenced asle. So the document label 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.600 references Frank Olson and David Bellan. So. Bellan was the 0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.160 executive director of the Rockefeller Commission, created by the White 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:45.120 House in the mid seventies to investigate abuses carried out 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:49.560 worldwide by the Central Intelligence Agency. So Albrely believes that 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.880 the that the French town lst incident um, which is 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.600 like the pont Stre which is the name of the town, 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.120 and the f Olson files mentioned in the document would 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.440 definitely show that if the document hadn't been buried as 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.760 it was said in the in the label the CIA, 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:06.880 it would show that the CIA was experimenting on the 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.279 townspeople by dosing them with what he thinks was lsd UM. 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.960 Now there is also a bit more to it than that. Um. 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.880 Using Foya's he got ahold of another CIA document, a 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.480 two page report from nine Team fifty four detailing a 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.440 conversation between a CIA agent and a representative of the 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:27.200 San DAWs Chemical Company. So this the Sandas base was 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.200 the place where Albert Hoffman invented LSD in night Um 0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:32.719 and it was it was it was only a few 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:37.160 hundred kilometers away from pont St Ausprie, the town where 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.400 this happened, So the chemical company was actually pretty pretty 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:44.279 close relatively to like europe Um and it was also 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.359 the only place where LSD was being made at the time. 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.160 And they were providing both the Army and the CIA 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.000 with a lot of a lot of acid. But you 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.600 mean they're also giving it like they're also giving it 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:58.640 to universities. They gave lots to Timothy Laria initially they were. 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:02.000 They were, and a lot to tim Larry they were. 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:03.880 They were giving a g out to a lot of 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:09.560 different universities and people, but including the US government. So 0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:13.120 the c I A the CIA agent wrote um in 0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.880 this report that was like he was detailing a dinner 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.680 he had with this representative of the chemical company, and 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.640 he reported that after having several drinks, the scientists started 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.400 talking about the pomp St Desprite incident. The send off official, 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.400 burned out the pomt st a spirit secret was that 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.200 it was not the bread at all. Continued to send 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:33.760 off official for weeks. The French tied up our laboratories 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.480 with analysis of the bread. It was not the grain ergot, 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.840 It was a die ethyl laminated Sorry it's it's the 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:45.400 last part of the LSD. Yeah, the die ethel lemonide 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.719 like compound. So yeah, the surgic diethyl acid is what 0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:52.120 LSD stands for. So yeah, he the side just said 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.160 that it was. It was like it was like basically 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:58.759 an LSD like compound. Um, So that's that was the 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.239 that was report or to detail like a dinner that 0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:06.120 a CIA agent had with this scientist um, and that 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.000 document was uncovered that it was from like the fifties. 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.319 Now this this, this next part has a little bit 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.880 less proof to it because there's no documents backing this up. 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.280 But al Brelli also claims that Dirk is digging too forward. 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.160 CIA researchers reached out to him and revealed that revealed 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.880 some details of some possible details of the method of 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.400 the poisoning. They told him that the village was subjected 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:36.919 to an air blitz of pulverized LSD. I'm sorry, that's 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:42.920 fucking based so to force the people taking the substance 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.880 through the air. According to the researchers, this manner of 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:50.160 just of this manner of distribution proved mostly unsuccessful, um, 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.000 forcing the CIA to move onto phase two, which was 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:57.440 contaminating local food. So apparently the if the if if 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.520 the air blitz was a thing, it didn't work super well. Um. 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:07.480 Although actually about to have Sophie Bias a plane. We 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:09.560 will talk about this later, but um, the c A 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:14.520 did do more air blitzing um of of acid in 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.560 New York City. Actually, they would ride around in cars 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:22.239 um in like poorer and poorer more like multicultural areas, UM, 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.840 shooting LSD out of the back of the car to 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.800 see what would happen if, I mean take out the racism. 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.920 And that really is a dream job, just driving around 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:36.640 cities air dosing people with acid and random smoking cigarettes. 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.279 Probably so with the conclusion drawn that it was one 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.480 of the town's bakeries being the source of the poisoning, 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:45.360 Albrel says it was possible that LSD was put in 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:53.239 or onto the bread um. So yeah, and also lots 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.680 of the scientists lots of the scientists dispatched to investigate 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.880 the poisoning after it took place, where actually from the 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.759 Sandals Chemical Company me. UM. They studied the situation for 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.400 like two or three weeks UM and gave the explanation 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.800 that would later be kind of disproven, uh, that it 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.200 was got poisoning, which they they told the town officials 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:11.520 and the British medical journal. Um what what, What no 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:14.000 one knew at the time was that one the existence 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.600 of LSD in the first place, UM, and two that 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:19.600 San DAWs was the company making it and giving these 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.680 drugs to the U. S. Army and to the CIA. UM. 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.839 And apparently apparently Albert Hoffman himself went to the town 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:32.160 to investigate this incident. UM. So yeah. And one last 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.880 thing on like the physical evidence side of things UM. 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.480 Albarelli also found an undated White House document that appeared 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:40.200 to be part of a larger file that had been 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.279 sent to members of the Rockefeller Commission, containing the names 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.040 of two French nationals who had been secretly employed about 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.560 the CIA and made direct references to the quote pont 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:54.040 Saint Sprit incident UM. Also it was linked the document 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.880 linked former CIA biological warfare expert and the chief of 0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:00.960 the Fort Derrick's Special Operations to vision. So those are 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.359 all places that they were experiencing with this similar kind 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.240 of thing. Um we we we have mentioned the Rockefeller 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:08.840 Commission a few times now for remember the names, uh, 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.879 Frank Olsen, the guy one of the CIA researchers on LSD, 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.200 and David Bellan. Where they were they were they were 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.120 on the label of that missing document. So but Bellin 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.719 was the executive director of the White House Commission to 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.880 investigate the CIA's abuses and crimes, which was called the 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.200 Rockefeller Commission. It was formed by President Ford in nineteen 0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:31.160 seventy five to investigate abuses and other activities by the 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:34.680 CIA and a few other intelligence agencies that were operating 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.680 within the States. Um. So, the Rockefeller Commission revealed not 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.920 only like the reason why we know but m Kaeltro 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:43.000 was because the Rockefeller Commission. This is this is how 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.440 we know this was a thing. Um. So it not 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.480 only revealed stuff about like programs around m k Ultra, 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.960 but also revealed the details of the CIA dosing their 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:55.600 own scientist, Frank Olsen with LSD and possibly killing him. 0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.680 Um there's also like there's like a Netflix series about 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.560 this called Would Work and Haven't. I haven't actually watched yet, 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:03.320 so I don't know how good or accurate it is, 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:05.040 but they did. They did make a series a few 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.400 years ago about the death of Frank Olson Um and 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.040 all of the weirds get yourself, surrounding both his job 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.480 and and and and and his death. Um. We do 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:19.800 love the CIA, folks. So the The commission also concluded 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:23.000 that the head of the CIA's LSD program, doctor Sydney 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.719 ghost Leap, destroyed all of the drug programs records in 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.480 nineteen seventy three to hide the details of possibly illegal actions, 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.000 and he was personally involved in the torture of Frank 0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:36.480 Olsen Um. Twenty years after Mr Olsen's death and ten 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.800 years after the elistic experiments were halted, a doctor Godlieb 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.080 ordered the destruction of all the records of the program, 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:45.280 including a total of one hundred and fifty two separate files. 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:49.600 This came shortly after other reports that that that records 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:53.120 were being destroyed by Richard helms That, the then Director 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:57.480 of Central Intelligence. So it's undoubtedly true that the CIA 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.320 was up to up to some ship involving les D 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:05.640 around around the exact time period of this French Town incident. Yeah, 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.960 it's certainly not like you're not coming out of nowhere 0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.880 suggesting the CIA may have dosed all these people, but 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:13.680 they set it to a bunch of folks. If they 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.600 didn't do it here, they've done similar ship. And it's 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:18.640 also it's also worth mentioning at this point that like 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.480 this is like the point where the CIA is also 0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:26.160 running this like enormous heroin network out of France, as 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:27.920 like if they basically basically have this whole they have 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:29.719 this deal with the French where they're like, okay, so 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:33.120 the French mob can like basically move all the heroin 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:35.600 they want in exchange they'll like stop the communists and 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:38.120 taking control of the point of Marseillas. And so this 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.279 is this is all also going on like at the 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.200 same time that they're doing the LSD stuff. It's great. Yeah, 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.920 so's there's some storians that think the LSD theories not 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:50.120 hold enough water. Um Stephen Kaplan, it's a US historian 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.279 specializing in the French food history and the author of 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:56.759 the two book Cursed Bread, which follows this incident. Um 0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.680 He says that he is I have numerous objections to 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.360 this whole tree evidence that this that this against the CIA. 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:05.239 First of all, it's clinically incoherent. LSD takes effects in 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:07.960 just a few hours, whereas the inhabitants, where the inhabitants 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.680 showed symptoms only after thirty six hours or more. For 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:13.880 the more, LSD does not cause that the digestive elements 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:17.120 or the vegetative effects described by the townspeople. Um. And 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:21.200 So to both those claims, I say, they're not necessarily true. Um, 0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.279 it's it's it's unclear how soon the delirious effects took 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.440 place for some people they were they first effect felt. Um. 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.719 So the whole thing about like the effects only taking 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:34.680 effect after thirty six hours, that's not that's not necessarily true. Um. 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:41.080 And Also LSD can definitely have nauseating or digestive effects yeast. 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:43.759 So that's that's that's that's not that's yeah. And and 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:46.239 but but like there were other types of symptoms that 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:48.160 are not common for what we think of as like 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.120 modern LST. Again, this is the ninetifties, and we don't 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.239 know what they were actually on it did it's maybe not. 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:56.000 It may not be what we think of as like LSD. 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.160 Now it could be slightly that you know that this 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:01.800 is a whole class of psychoactive drugs that's unclear what 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.239 they were all actually being dosed with. Yeah, who the 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.000 funk knows what they were being given and who the 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.879 funk knows what the actual like dose amount was. Yeah, 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.880 we have no no idea. It's also you know, I 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:13.719 think it's Leary was the origin of the phrase that 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.759 like the things that determine what happens on a trip 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.920 or set setting in dose, so your mindset, where you 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:20.640 take it and who you take it around, and the 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:24.400 dose and the fact that these are somewhat unique symptoms 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.399 could be to the fact that like other people taking 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:31.480 acid have never taken it this way and without knowing 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:37.120 what acid is like. So Kaplan's other objections revolve around 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.919 like the delivery system. He says, it's absurd this idea 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.640 of transmitting a very toxic drug by putting by putting 0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:44.600 it in the bread as for pulver as to get 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.240 for ingestion through the air. That technology wasn't even possible 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.640 at the time. Most compelling Lee why would they choose 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.240 the town of pont Sta Spree to conduct these tests. 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:54.279 It was half destroyed by the U. S Army during 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.080 fighting with the Germans in the Second World War. It 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:58.840 makes no sense. And and to that, I say, that 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:04.160 makes it the perfect town for the CIA to fun with. Me. Yeah, 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:08.760 they generally would choose to dose someone with acid because 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.680 it sounded funny. Like I think the fact that this 0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.200 town was already kind of like only half inhabited and 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:17.400 half destroyed by the by the Second World War, that 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.279 makes the perfect town to work with like. Yeah. And 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.239 also they also, the CIA and the government very much 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:25.480 did have the means to try to distribute stuff via 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.960 the air, because we can see other we can see 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.200 other documents around the time of them doing this too, 0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:33.440 specific areas of of New York City. They also tried 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:35.800 to poison the entire New York Subway with LSD in 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:37.920 the fifties, but that was shut down by higher ups 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:41.880 in in the Central Intelligence. Um. Fortunately, God what a 0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:45.920 time that would have been. But but cap But but 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.600 Caplan isn't sure or got responsible either. Um. He says 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.920 that inhabination would not have worked because it doesn't make 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.480 sense that only one sack of grain would have been affected. Um. 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.239 And he says if it was or got the the 0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.879 effects would have been way more widespread. Yeah, that does. 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:02.320 He rules out LSD in the grounds and the symptoms 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.080 of people suffered, although similar don't quite fit what we 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:07.239 modernly think of the drug. Also, I don't I don't 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:10.400 think Caplin's ever taken LSD, So I don't think I 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:12.719 think he's right about it probably not being air got. 0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:15.080 But I don't think he knows much. Yeah, hell he 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.880 also he also He also points out that LSD probably 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.120 wouldn't have survived the fierce temperatures of the Baker's oven, 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:23.160 although Albarelli counters that it could have been that LSD 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.520 could have been added after the fact to the surface 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.160 of the breach. You could just drop it on, you 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:28.640 could you just drop it on with like with like 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.520 liquid blodders, which also explain how the effects were so 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:33.719 different from person to person, because one person may be 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.000 having a whole drop of LSD, where somebody maybe only 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:37.840 have like a tiny little like you know, speck of 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:41.200 like speck of like like moist liquid. So I can 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.120 explain some things, but you know, this is still pretty 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:48.640 much a mystery. You know, it's very clear this very much, 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:50.960 very well could have been some kind of hidden LSD. 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.840 C I a experiment um or the CIA could have 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.880 just been you know, interested in studying what happened in 0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.719 the town since they were also doing studies into psychoactives 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.399 substances at the time. Um, it could be either or um. 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:09.080 And that's where it's spooky because you'll never know. So, yes, 0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:11.080 that is that. That is the spooky incident of a 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:14.880 French town basically thinking that they lost their minds and 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.960 then you know they love to see it, do we. 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:23.400 It is a little funny. It is definitely a little funny. Um, 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.640 it's it is a great example of like the worst 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:32.360 way to trip. Yeah that that's that's pretty high up there. Um. Anyway, 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:36.120 critical support to the CIA for doosing random people with acid. 0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:39.160 Always one of my favorite sets of stories. You you 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.560 love to see it, so yeah, tune tune in, tune 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:49.080 in tomorrow for more spooky, spooky story and you can 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:53.080 follow the spooky social media that poisons your brain at 0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:57.719 pap in here, pod and cool Zone media which yes, 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:02.320 Twitter will poison your brain. 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It could happen here today. We are 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:24.040 discussing a truly spooky topic, one that everyone is just 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:28.919 really gonna hate. Uh. And it's we're talking about let's 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:33.000 say esoteric Kecki is um and me magic. So Shanni A, 0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:38.080 my brothers and sisters come along on a Rhow we 0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:42.319 read a whole book for this? Oh? I at least 0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:44.759 I did you read a book just for this? I 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:46.919 would say that like all of the books I read 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.080 from age nineteen to twenty two prepared me have been 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:54.200 preparing here for that. Yeah, the books I read while 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.359 I was doing psychedelics twice a week. All really, we're 0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:01.000 good background on this subject. That is true. You want 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:05.799 to kick us off and I don't. So I think 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:09.880 firstly we're talking about we're gonna we're gonna emphasize awareness 0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:12.560 over amplification or that kind of my my goal for 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:16.160 this is that we can all be more aware of 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.960 kind of the power that images on the Internet can 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.879 have over influencing the actual world, and talking about people 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.600 who believe this to a ridiculous degree and how they 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:27.759 actually have been able to institute change not only because 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:30.400 of this belief, just because of their dedication to this practice, 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.320 because it's it's because it's a thing that exists and 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:37.160 it has had real world ramifications, and it's good to 0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:40.239 understand that that's a thing, and that also maybe we 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.760 can influence the way we like us use the internet 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.360 to also maybe make good things happen as opposed to 0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:50.080 just being doomers all the time. Um So that's kind 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:53.520 of what I wanted to start with. Many jobs to 0:55:53.640 --> 0:56:01.040 that Garrison complete keck with you God. Although to be fair, 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:03.320 the past few days I have just been spamming the 0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:06.080 it could happen here a group chat with horrible nonsense 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:09.520 surround cack. It has been the most insufferable week of 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:17.120 my life. Horrible nonsense like like paragraphs, paragraphs, paragraphs, walls 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:22.080 of text so big. Any any actually safe working environment 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:25.960 that cared about its employees would have fired you long ago. Yeah. So, 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.920 I think the other thing that we should definitely mention 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:32.520 is that any type of like occultism, mysticism or like 0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:36.880 woo woo um has actually does have a decent history 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:41.560 within right wing political ideas, and specifically like you know, 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:46.200 like more extreme like right wing um stuff in the 0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:49.239 past few years, like everyone's most people know that like 0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:51.799 the modern not like the like the early Nazis had 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:54.480 some mystical stuff going on. There's a lot more stuff 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.040 going behind the scenes. A lot of their favorite authors 0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.840 also were like practicing occultists. Um so this is this 0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:02.560 is this is a thing that goes back awhile you 0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:04.600 can even see this to some degree with like how 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.960 close Christianity is to a lot of the right wing, 0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:08.600 to a lot of like the modern right wing the 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:10.759 States as well, a lot of what we would consider 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:13.799 evangelical Christianity has a lot of stuff that's actually very 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:16.960 similar to occultism. They just use different terms because occultism 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.720 and and like magic is taboo. But it's actually the 0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:22.280 same things. It's all like just it's inter it's interacting 0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:24.920 with the same systems, just with different words. So like 0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:26.560 this is this is the thing that is is not 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:28.720 it's it's not just on the internet. This is thing 0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:31.160 that's been going on for thousands of years. In particular 0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:34.120 the past one years, we've seen a big rise in 0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:39.360 the amount of like occultism and mysticism specifically tied to politics. Yeah, 0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:42.000 and there's this. I mean, there have been a couple 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.200 of articles written just recently about the fact that a 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:46.560 lot of like the Woo Woo left, the kind of 0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:51.600 um not really esoteric but kind of mainstream a culti left, 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:54.920 like the popa culti left has has increasingly turned towards 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.520 stuff like Q and on and a big chunk of 0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:00.720 it is like this, this openness to like feel power 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:05.120 in coincidences, synchronicity would be they and and just a 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:12.600 general open mindedness to um maybe too many things. Sure, Yeah, 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:16.160 I mean it's you can see this on on on 0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:18.720 a lot of a lot of sides because it's yeah, 0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:20.440 it's it is definitely not just the right wing. I mean, 0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:22.360 it's like the biggest example of this would probably be 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:25.080 facets of Q and on the past few years have 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:27.880 done very similar types of things. Uh, there's a lot 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.080 of other stuff going on behind the scenes, like how 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:32.440 how Pepe operated was very similar to that, which is 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:35.000 what we're mainly talking about today. Um, but you know, 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:37.960 there is also stuff like this on on the left wing, 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:40.520 whether it be like New a g type stuff that 0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:43.680 seems to kind of mostly be bullshit, but there's a 0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:46.000 you know, other other type of like like like like 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:49.840 folk magic or like indigenous traditions that have that have 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:54.000 i would say slightly more uh significantly more like there's 0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:58.080 reasonable actually stuff going on as opposed to just like 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.080 new Age selling books and that kind of stuff. Yeah. 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:04.880 One of the things that also separates actual religion from 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:09.760 religion that kind of has formed in this nomadic way 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.600 recently is that all of this stuff, particularly what we're 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:17.880 talking about today, formed simultaneously with political sentiment and as 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.840 and and was was crafted and in a lot of cases, 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:24.200 like they they state facts wrong specifically because they are 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:27.080 trying to craft a political narrative alongside this like weird 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:30.200 quasi spiritual things. I mean, speaking of spiritualism coming to 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.440 the same kind of coming to the same and this 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.240 is you know, we're all kind of anarchistic adjacent here. 0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:38.600 And one of the things that really came up around 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:41.360 the same time as anarchism in the twentieth century was 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:45.480 a concept called chaos magic, which was really really really 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.600 tied to a lot of old really tied to a 0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:50.360 lot of like anarchist thought and anarchists kind of thinkers. 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:53.000 Some of the most same with chaos magicians are like 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:57.880 explicitly anarchist, someone like Grant Morrison. Um. Others are like Discordians, 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.360 which have a lot of like anarchists crossover stuff, like 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:03.160 like Robert Enton Wilson, which kind of operates in that 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:06.560 same ocean. Yeah, he played a big role in kind 1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:10.160 of pulling me away from proto alt right style beliefs. 1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:12.440 And I think also a lot of his work was 1:00:12.720 --> 1:00:15.800 very intelligently crafted because he wrote about conspiracies, he wrote 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:19.280 about esoteric magic, but always with a really intent eye 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:24.080 on increasing people's defenses to this kind of stuff what 1:00:24.160 --> 1:00:27.760 we're talking about today. Um, he was very like cognizant 1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:31.040 of that, Like he wrote about conspiracy as an enthusiast, 1:00:31.120 --> 1:00:33.520 but also as someone who was trying to stop um 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:37.800 kind of unchecked conspiratorial belief. Yeah, he went away about 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:40.400 that in peculiar ways, but he was an odd man. Yeah. 1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:42.600 And the reason why I've been getting more into this 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:46.040 type type of stuff the past year, uh increase. And 1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:49.040 the reason why I really like chaos magic as I 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:50.959 like it as like a post modern system of magic 1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:54.680 of looking at how basically if magic is just ideas 1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:57.200 and trying to figure out how our brains can interact 1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:00.360 with the physical world, then chaos magic in produces a 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:03.800 lot of interesting stuff around like late stage capitalism, because 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:06.880 it is is it's explicitly tied to to like postmodern 1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:09.560 art and postmodern thought um in the way you know, 1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:13.200 brands and marketing and specifically the Internet all affects our minds, 1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:15.520 all the stuff it gets talked about in charismatic a lot. 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:18.439 And I really like look using that framework for things 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:22.640 um and speaking of that kind of stuff specifically around 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:24.960 the Internet, we're gonna be talking about. The first thing 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:27.840 I want to mention is like the concept of searching 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:30.640 for something and then you're like you're and you're gonna 1:01:30.720 --> 1:01:32.920 find it, whether that you know, Robert Enton Wilson and 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:36.120 um like the Illuminatious Trilogies has like and like, and 1:01:36.440 --> 1:01:39.760 Discordianism has like twenty three and the Law of Fives. Right, 1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:42.000 I I read that book when I was twenty and 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:45.360 I have been like seeing twenty three's repeatedly at like 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:48.520 significant moments in my life for the last fourteen years 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:50.880 or so. Like, Yeah, it's it's like, once you get 1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:53.120 that kind of meme implanted in your brain, it can 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:55.640 stick with you for forever. And and this this happens 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:57.880 to everything. You know, this happens to This happens to everyone. 1:01:57.920 --> 1:02:00.720 Like once you learn about a new topic, the next day, 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:02.960 you'll see it somewhere right, You'll be like, you'll you'll 1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:06.800 like it. And it's in all these places that that 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:08.760 you didn't see it before. This happens all of the 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:11.280 time with everything. This is how this is like how 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:16.720 synchronicity works, and this is where religions come from, yeah, 1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:19.240 throughout history. And it's because like this all has its 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:22.400 roots in why we're very good hunters. We are patterned 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:27.800 were pattern recognition, Like our brains are pattern recognizing machines. 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:30.520 That's what we're best at. And it means that we're 1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:33.160 good at spotting berries and tracking deer. And it also 1:02:33.280 --> 1:02:36.920 means that we can't stop making religions. We can religion 1:02:38.040 --> 1:02:40.640 and if we have one too many synchronicities, we can 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:43.920 change the entire way we view about the like the 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:48.280 whole world, which can have varying degrees of effects. Sometimes 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:49.600 I can if it's just a little bit that can 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:52.520 maybe ahould be very helpful. Um, if you join a 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:55.000 weird cult that does messed up stuff, then it's like, yeah, 1:02:55.040 --> 1:02:58.000 that's a problem. Yeah, sometimes it ends in burning man 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:03.560 and sometimes it ends in burning men. Yeah, drop the 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:07.520 bomb on that one. So first thing I want to 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:10.080 kind of discuss before we get into the actual timeline 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:12.280 of how pepangcasm became a thing, I want to just 1:03:12.400 --> 1:03:16.560 do a brief overview of sigils and memes um and 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:21.720 the idea of what like, let's let's take the original 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:23.760 concept of the meme, which is like you know, the 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:28.920 it's genes are genetic, memes are cultural. There's are cultural 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:34.440 ideas that can spread like a virus um and usually memes. 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:37.240 In the since since since the Internet has become way 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:41.120 more popular, memes have become more tied to images like 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.120 like memes are a much more visual thing now, whereas 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:45.760 in the nineties they were more of just like like 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:47.640 an idea concept, but now they have like in this 1:03:47.840 --> 1:03:51.640 extra visual backing. So a sigil is a is a 1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:54.960 magical concept and mostly to chaos magic, which is basically 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:59.880 an abstract concept um or or like a specific con 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:03.640 scept put into an abstract image that then gets charged 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:06.320 and then it's going to manifest itself in your life. 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.400 The reason why this works is because part part of 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:12.600 this desire gets implanted deep in your brain when you 1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:14.680 charge it through like a trance or that there's a 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:17.480 there's there's like there's different methods of charging sigils, but 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:19.840 you have this, you have this concept and this idea 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:22.040 and this desire and it gets put into you. So 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:25.560 you're gonna kind of subconsciously do things that that influence 1:04:25.600 --> 1:04:28.440 it into becoming something that you can see. Just like 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:30.040 you know, if you're if you're looking, if you hear 1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:32.080 about twenty three, you're gonna see it. Same thing for this. 1:04:32.200 --> 1:04:34.240 It's it's it's it's the same kind of based concept 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:38.840 um and then Grant Morrison of Comic Book Writers my 1:04:39.400 --> 1:04:41.720 my favorite comic book writer. He he was, he's really 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:45.400 the only person that's developed sigils more since their inception. 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:48.520 UM with the concept of a hyper sigil, which is 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:51.840 taking this theme idea of like wanting to influence change 1:04:51.840 --> 1:04:55.000 in the world via this visual medium of a sigil, 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:57.280 and instead of just having it be like an abstract 1:04:57.360 --> 1:05:00.880 glyph that you charge, hyper sigil is an entire work 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:04.600 of art with this express interest. Um. So everything that 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:07.200 you do in this is trying to get some type 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:09.840 of real world change, and it's very very intentional, right, 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:12.000 And a lot of art already oprights like this. This 1:05:12.080 --> 1:05:14.480 is why a lot of postmodern magic is very similar 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:16.840 just to like making art, because it's the same kind 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:19.440 of basic idea, whether that be something like you know, 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:22.000 like the matrix or you know, any any type of 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:25.120 art kind of does this already if it is good, um, 1:05:25.760 --> 1:05:28.520 and it in it can find ways to influence reality. 1:05:28.680 --> 1:05:32.760 So memes operate on this same way. And eventually people 1:05:32.800 --> 1:05:35.520 actually found eventually people on four ch and realized that 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:37.320 they that they were doing the ceduls and started using 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:39.880 this word because it's really the same thing when you're 1:05:39.920 --> 1:05:42.560 when you're altering all of these images of this frog 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.120 and posting it into all these different kind of more 1:05:45.160 --> 1:05:48.960 abstract more like ugly obscure kind of like weird, like 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:53.080 surreal types of types of memes, and you're spamming them 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:56.400 on politicians Twitter account. You're basically doing a group a 1:05:56.480 --> 1:05:58.400 group schedule, and a group hyper cygil. Because you're all 1:05:58.440 --> 1:06:01.160 making these individual things and are spamming them into the world, 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:03.280 and because there's so many of them, Yeah, they're gonna 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:05.840 have they're gonna have a real world effect, and they're 1:06:05.840 --> 1:06:07.680 gonna have a real world effect in part because of 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:09.560 the way human brains work, in part because of the 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:12.200 way algorithms work, which is one of the things where 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:15.680 like it's it's easy, especially if you're an impressionable kid, 1:06:15.760 --> 1:06:18.480 to mistake the algorithm doing what it's designed to do, 1:06:18.600 --> 1:06:22.160 which is find patterns groups of people sharing something and 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:24.720 expand that to a larger group of people, because oh, 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:26.800 if this cluster of people like this, this will probably 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:30.280 be something that's very Algorithms are great at making synchronicities 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:32.080 because that's what they're designed to do. That's what they're 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:34.960 supposed that's the whole point of why they exist, and 1:06:35.080 --> 1:06:38.439 that's why this is that that that's why are because 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:40.200 as you stated a little earlier, and one of these 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:43.280 days on Bastards we're gonna talk about Helena Blovotsky and 1:06:43.400 --> 1:06:46.600 like the Theosophy movement and more detail, like all of 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:49.400 the occult stuff that fed into the Third the early 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:52.640 stage of the Third Reich. But the occult back then 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:55.080 is very different from the kind of occult feeding into 1:06:55.080 --> 1:06:58.280 fascism now, which is heavily based around synchronicity, because it's 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:01.200 also heavily based around social media, the way memes bread. Yeah, 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:02.960 that's why I thinks what the chaos magic has really 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:06.240 gotten kind of a resurgence the past few years with 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:09.360 social media and how algorithms developed, because they do mirror 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:12.080 a lot of the concepts within chaos magic, because the 1:07:12.120 --> 1:07:14.000 Internet is kind of a chaotic place. But it's also 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:17.480 it's not just pure chaos. It is chaos within a 1:07:17.560 --> 1:07:19.160 framework of order, which is why I like the like 1:07:19.240 --> 1:07:22.040 the like the chaos star, like the like the actual 1:07:22.160 --> 1:07:25.400 like chaos like sigil. Yes, the errors a pointing in 1:07:25.440 --> 1:07:27.600 every direction, but you can make a perfect circle around 1:07:27.600 --> 1:07:30.400 all of the arrows. It's because it's not just pure chaos. 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:33.400 It actually is contained with within this other framework. And 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:37.440 by the way, Garrison when you started talking about synchronyge 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:39.720 cities and sigils. I checked my phone for a second 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:43.680 and saw that it was five seventeen on October five. 1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:46.000 Of course contains both two and three and as thus 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:48.240 a sacred number October twenty three. I shouldn't have to 1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:54.360 explain why that significant, and it's yeah, but it's the 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:58.080 twenty three on my phone. Why is my phone's fucked up? 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:05.320 Because because the universe, baby, that's the synchronicity. I'm living 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:08.120 in the future. Motherfucker's And what time is it that 1:08:08.240 --> 1:08:11.560 it's not right now? It was my phone and the 1:08:11.680 --> 1:08:15.600 other time it is. I I don't need to know 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:19.400 what time it is the default reality. No, no, yeah, 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:22.599 you're you're you're on a different, different dimensional plane. Now 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:27.360 we have two into two different ones. I think I 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:30.519 think that I think this gives up gives us a 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:34.360 perfect opportunity for the audience to find their own synchronicities 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:36.800 in these ads, because who knows what's going to happen, 1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:42.559 what's gonna play, So look for patterns and you'll find them. 1:08:43.640 --> 1:08:46.080 Here's some mass I hope it's an ad for the 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:51.439 Egyptian goddess Mott, and we are back, We're gonna, We're 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:53.400 gonna now actually kind of get into some of the 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:57.880 some of the actual Peppe nonsense. Um. I think another 1:08:57.920 --> 1:08:59.840 important part to mention is that like for a lot 1:08:59.880 --> 1:09:03.160 of people doing this online, this, this is like an 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:06.439 online pattern that happens all the time. Um, it happens 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:08.960 with It happens with stuff like this, It happens with 1:09:09.200 --> 1:09:11.080 with with cat Boys, it happens with a whole bunch 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:13.639 of stuff. Is that like stuff starts as a joke 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:17.000 and then you do it a lot and the repetition 1:09:17.280 --> 1:09:20.880 basically makes you do it genuinely. Yeah, like me talking 1:09:20.960 --> 1:09:23.640 about getting all of my followers to a compound in 1:09:23.680 --> 1:09:26.280 Idaho where we die fighting the f d A exactly 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:29.639 Interually that turns into an actual death cult. So it's 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:31.719 it's it starts as a joke and then under repetition 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:34.880 it becomes genuine. This happens so basically almost everything on 1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:38.200 the internet. Yeah, this this, this, this, this leads to 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:41.640 Garrison and I doing the inevitable Robert Evans Behind the 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:45.280 Bastards episode. This episode it's a three part or if 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:48.000 I ever heard one you you hope so you wish 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:54.320 what what are what are cat Boys. This is different. 1:09:54.360 --> 1:09:57.240 That is a different you're here, that is a different podcast. 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:59.240 I think, Yeah, Hi, sorry, I know, I only inser 1:09:59.360 --> 1:10:02.320 Jake briefly. Is that is that? Are they? Are they 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:06.280 like pre furries? Is that different? No, Cowboys post fury, 1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:09.760 it's kind of it's it's it's it's rehumanizing the it's 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:14.680 rehumanizing the furies. So like the same way, the same way, 1:10:14.920 --> 1:10:17.840 the same way. Sonic the Hedgehog is a re Mickey 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:25.120 mossification of vegeta. Uh, cowboys are a humanification of furries. 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:27.200 This is a whole process on the I can explain 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:29.880 this in great detail in the later episode, but I 1:10:29.920 --> 1:10:31.840 think we have enough. We have enough to talk about already. 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:37.400 Thank you so much, my dog. Okay, sure would someone 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:43.120 be willing to sacrifice their own mentality to describe the 1:10:43.280 --> 1:10:48.479 rise of Pepe and just originally in the early twenty teens, Yeah, 1:10:48.640 --> 1:10:50.920 so it started. Is this guy's comic that there was 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:53.640 nothing particularly about. Yeah, it was just it was a 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:56.760 dude's comic. He was like, uh, feels good Man was 1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:59.200 kind of fel good Man. He was a chill dude. 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:02.360 He was a chill dude. Yeah, not a fascist comic. 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:06.479 Peppe is actually pretty fun. Yeah, comic Pepe, he's like 1:11:06.680 --> 1:11:08.720 he's like a millennial slacker who doesn't really know what 1:11:08.800 --> 1:11:11.479 to do with his life after like after nine eleven, 1:11:11.520 --> 1:11:13.400 after the financial crash. He's just trying to kind of 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:17.040 get by the comics fine. Yeah, the comics fine, but 1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:19.599 the art just that kind of the specifics of how 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:22.120 he drew Pepe made him very well suited for a 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:25.040 meme because he's expressive and he so he shows up 1:11:25.080 --> 1:11:28.479 and starts getting spread in four chan, and you know, 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:31.800 that kind of idea goes viral, and it particularly gets 1:11:31.840 --> 1:11:34.519 attached to a lot of like the political ship on 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:37.320 Pole and the people who are like churning into gamer 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:40.639 Gate and the right sad Pepe gets very popular, Smug 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:45.120 Pepe gets very popular. Yeah yeah. And then as so 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:52.960 kick is text of it, Like later on, I think 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:56.160 we'll go over more for like how Pepe is like 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:59.400 the cartoon character got you know, as soon as it 1:11:59.439 --> 1:12:02.000 becomes a meme, it spreads out into all corners. And 1:12:02.080 --> 1:12:05.000 the people who meaned this hardest we were on Fortune. 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:08.240 So this is how pep Peppe became kind of tied 1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:10.439 to this. And I think the last bullet in Pepe 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:13.760 really solidifying him as as an alt right meanings specifically 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:17.000 was the Richard Spencer punch. I think I think that's 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:18.760 the thing that actually was like done. It's like, no, 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:21.559 Pepe is just this now, he can't be anything else 1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:23.799 because but when when when Richard Spencer was being punched, 1:12:24.000 --> 1:12:26.840 he was describing what Pepe was. That was what's happening 1:12:26.960 --> 1:12:29.760 in that specific viral moment. If you want to talk 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:32.639 about like magical terms, this is Pepe getting like charged, 1:12:32.800 --> 1:12:35.400 Like this is the idea of like this idea getting 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:37.839 getting charged because it is now going to be perflated 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:40.280 to the masses in this in this moment of like 1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:44.439 pure motion. So that's when Pepe really gets tied to 1:12:44.600 --> 1:12:48.120 And I think Hillary Clinton made it very, very worse 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:50.760 the way she talked about this kind of stuff on 1:12:51.000 --> 1:12:56.360 her speeches basically gave gave the all right a baseball 1:12:56.400 --> 1:12:59.519 bat to hit her with. The the problem that Clinton 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:01.479 and everyone else because a big part of I would 1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:05.080 argue that like the largest part of why Pepe became 1:13:05.120 --> 1:13:07.720 a thing that was destined to last was that pundits 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:11.320 and politicians, including Hillary and media people kept talking about 1:13:11.320 --> 1:13:14.360 it as a fascist symbol and kept discussing like what 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:17.080 it was, and that anyone who grew up on the Internet, 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:19.960 who grew up around these communities, knows that you ignore 1:13:20.040 --> 1:13:22.919 them as much as possible, to the extent that that's possible. 1:13:23.200 --> 1:13:26.040 You don't feed the troll you don't give them power. Yeah, 1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:28.519 you don't. And and talking about it again, this is 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:31.920 like chasmetic like referencing it, bringing it up, bringing it 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:34.240 into the real world gives it power. That's the thing 1:13:34.320 --> 1:13:37.240 that feeds it. Yeah, So that that's how it got 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:39.240 so much more power. The more Clinton talked about it, 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:42.519 the more news media wrote about it, everyone got so 1:13:42.680 --> 1:13:45.200 excited on the four change. That's like, that's that's that's like, 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:48.400 that is them winning than them seeing this thing. And 1:13:48.640 --> 1:13:53.200 and then and then this goes back pre even being far. 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:55.680 I can't remember because I was in these spaces when 1:13:55.720 --> 1:13:58.160 they first started doing ship like raids on the Church 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:01.719 of Scientology. Every time there would actual like news coverage 1:14:01.760 --> 1:14:04.160 of what people on the Internet did, it got people 1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:06.840 so fucking excited because like, the Internet had been this 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:08.640 thing that didn't matter for the longest. I think in 1:14:09.040 --> 1:14:11.719 the in the book I read about this kind of stuff. 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:14.479 They they did use the example of like Anonymous and 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:17.439 the raids on centology being like a precursor to this 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:19.960 type of like me magic of this thing, like like 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:25.320 internet forums influencing the real world through repetition and getting 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:27.840 getting to grow power. We're getting people who don't use 1:14:27.920 --> 1:14:30.519 Internet to talk about these same things. It was like 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:32.680 a precursor to then what we what we saw the 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:36.040 al right, which is which is a pretty pretty common opinion. Um. 1:14:36.560 --> 1:14:41.360 And then and then enter enter the Egyptian gods, Roberts, 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:45.080 do wanna do you wanna? Don't wanna? I don't wanna 1:14:45.200 --> 1:14:49.439 discuss that. We're gonna That's what we're gonna say. Next 1:14:49.640 --> 1:14:53.360 is how is this intersex with Egyptian gods? The ancient 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:58.400 Pharaoh's played a card game of ancient and terrible power man. 1:14:58.600 --> 1:15:08.200 Nobody watched you as a kid, now, Robert, do you wanna? 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:10.320 Do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do you want to 1:15:10.360 --> 1:15:14.679 discuss keck? Yeah, I mean so way back in the day. 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:16.639 Um And I think I think this even pre dates 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:18.479 World War Craft. I remember at first happening on like 1:15:18.600 --> 1:15:22.080 StarCraft games online, there would be like gamers from Korea 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:24.400 and like when you were doing like a Zurg rush 1:15:24.520 --> 1:15:25.800 or something, which is when you have a bunch of 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:28.120 guys and they all attack the enemy base or whatever. 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:30.760 They would type out their term for l O L, 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:34.439 which was like keck k e K yeah okay u 1:15:34.479 --> 1:15:36.160 K so would usually just look like a stream of 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:39.240 ku k e k k k over and over and 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:42.920 over again. This really took off in world of warcraft, 1:15:43.040 --> 1:15:45.559 where like there were Korean gold farmers were a big thing, 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:47.720 and like keck was something that like everyone kind of 1:15:47.800 --> 1:15:49.200 knew what it meant because it was often the only 1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:51.559 thing you can understand. You could you could understand as 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:54.280 an American that like these people would be typing um 1:15:54.479 --> 1:15:56.439 and it as a result of kind of all of that, 1:15:56.760 --> 1:15:59.680 it took off an internet culture as just an l 1:15:59.720 --> 1:16:02.000 O and specifically like one of the things that's going 1:16:02.040 --> 1:16:05.080 on here. So as the mid auts dawn and the 1:16:05.160 --> 1:16:08.040 Internet becomes serious business and like social media really and 1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:10.720 everybody's even before social media is dominant, but just when 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:13.760 everybody's taking the Internet seriously, it's clear there's a lot 1:16:13.840 --> 1:16:16.760 of money in it. It's it's mainstream. You have this 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:20.080 this kind of second generation of Internet people who got 1:16:20.120 --> 1:16:22.080 on in the late nineties early two thousands, when they 1:16:22.120 --> 1:16:25.479 were kids who get frustrated at the fact that all 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:27.760 of these different terms and phrases and like bits of 1:16:27.840 --> 1:16:32.040 internet culture that they had identified with our going mainstream 1:16:32.080 --> 1:16:35.760 and normalies are using them. Yeah. Yeah, And keck is 1:16:35.800 --> 1:16:37.519 everyone knows what l O l is. People don't know 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:39.320 what keck is. So in places like four Chan, that 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:44.000 becomes a really popular thing. And keck kind of is 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:47.160 like so keck as a as a term for laughters, 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:49.200 like floating around at the same time as like pepe 1:16:49.200 --> 1:16:52.040 A memes, and so whenever you whenever you like meme 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:55.840 something into the mainstream, whenever like some four Chan opera 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.960 whatever you wanna call it, like succeeds in getting mainstreams it. 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:01.719 It's it as a clud and mentions pepping on stage. 1:17:01.840 --> 1:17:04.280 Everyone fortune goes kick because they're laughing. They go can 1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:06.320 they say stuff like top kick and whatnot, and and 1:17:06.600 --> 1:17:11.160 and eventually somebody realizes that there's an Egyptian goddess. One 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:14.120 of the translations of that god and goddess his name 1:17:14.360 --> 1:17:17.720 is k k Um. Now there's a couple of other translations. 1:17:17.720 --> 1:17:19.600 There's there's there's a whole bunch of issues with this. 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:20.760 If you wanted to look at it. That's with the 1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:23.880 rational kind of brain is because like this there was 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:26.439 this old family of god's are very very old old 1:17:26.479 --> 1:17:30.120 Egyptian gods. They all had male and female versions. The 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:33.559 male versions all had frog heads, um and but around 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:38.640 frogs can change their gender. Yeah, so like so like 1:17:38.840 --> 1:17:41.280 all of the all this whole era of Egyptian gods 1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:43.120 all had frog heads. So there was one of them 1:17:43.240 --> 1:17:45.479 that was named Keck, who was a god of chaos. 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:48.439 And this also played into how Fortune was using Trump 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:51.360 because like they liked Trump mostly as like as like 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:54.640 a chaotic reforce that got people angry, because that's what 1:17:54.920 --> 1:17:56.760 that's what Fortune wanted to do as well. They wanted 1:17:56.800 --> 1:17:58.559 to be a chaotic force again that gets people angry. 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:01.479 That's why they really latched onto true ump Um. And 1:18:01.560 --> 1:18:03.679 then when they found out that, oh there's this god 1:18:04.240 --> 1:18:06.200 named Keck who is like the lord of like like 1:18:07.040 --> 1:18:12.360 like um like pro that what's the word um primordial darkness, 1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:18.519 primorial darkness. Yeah, and this idea yeah kind of like 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:21.880 um um urinus and like Greco Roman faith, right, like 1:18:21.920 --> 1:18:24.320 a god kind of before the gods that are are 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:27.080 more well known, but like this was a synchronicity so 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:29.320 they took it as like, you know, the same way 1:18:29.400 --> 1:18:34.240 religions take take synchronicity and create and create like divinity. 1:18:34.560 --> 1:18:36.720 They took this as like this take they took this 1:18:36.800 --> 1:18:39.960 as like divinity. Again this this starts as a joke, 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:42.080 but you do it enough and you start to take 1:18:42.120 --> 1:18:45.720 it seriously, and there's a you get a mix of um, 1:18:46.200 --> 1:18:50.880 you get a mix of of real. Like Egyptology was that. Yeah, 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:52.840 there was a god named Kick, like among a bunch 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:55.320 of other gods. One of the ways he was depicted 1:18:55.439 --> 1:18:58.760 was with a frog head. But also like bad Egyptology, Like, 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:01.160 I found an article on the word plus press blog 1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:03.880 Peppe the Frog Faith, which oh, I'm sure this, I'm 1:19:03.880 --> 1:19:06.720 sure this is like a bastion of archaeology, and and 1:19:06.840 --> 1:19:09.719 the title is amateur Egyptologist weighs in on the frog 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:11.800 statue hieroglyphs. And one of the things he points out 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:14.000 are talking about the frog statues that isn't check but 1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:17.120 they thought it was Kick, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and a 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:18.560 number of things. So like one of the things this 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.080 guy claims is that the hieroglyphics for Keeck are a 1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:23.840 frogman um and then a couple of what he calls 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:27.360 baskets first, up their cups not baskets. Second, the actual 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:32.960 um uh hieroglyphics for for K e K don't include 1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:35.000 the little frogman. They're like the two of the little 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:38.040 cups in this weird T shaped thing. Like yeah, it's 1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:41.560 all it's all like it's bad again amateur egyptologist Like 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:43.560 he's just a kid who was googling stuff and like 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:46.760 got some either lied or got some hieroglyphics wrong. But 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:50.240 this kind of stuff compounds. But keck as like an 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:52.360 idea is like now we have a backing of an 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:55.000 ancient god again first as a joke, but then some 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:58.160 people started to take it more seriously, really really caught on. 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:02.040 Among people could because because it's funny, like it's it's 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:05.960 just funny, and it's funny. It's gonna catch on on 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:08.920 for chat because it's hilarious, right, so they're gonna start 1:20:09.040 --> 1:20:11.439 using this and repeating this and creating whole new memes, 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:14.400 creating like there's like there's like an eight eight part 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:17.880 book series that's like fake books written by like someone 1:20:17.920 --> 1:20:20.519 who's like just me bing but pretending to take it seriously. 1:20:20.880 --> 1:20:25.280 But like the authenticity doesn't actually matter because because it exists, 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:27.760 it doesn't actually matter how authentic it is. Yeah, Like, 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:32.200 and there's there's weird coincidences that continue to occur, Like 1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:34.639 one of the biggest being there's this like phrase shadow, 1:20:34.960 --> 1:20:37.000 which creeps up in all of this and becomes like 1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:39.720 this exhortation that they use like a way of like 1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:43.120 exclaiming and such. And then somebody figures out that shadow 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:46.240 is also a song, like an Italo disco song I 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:48.479 think from the seventies, and the album that Shadow is 1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:51.400 on has like a frog man face on the cover. Um, 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:55.599 and so they're like, it's a sign because you're gonna 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:58.360 find frogs wherever you look now because that has becomes 1:20:58.479 --> 1:21:05.040 the think of uncommon frogs. You're gonna find them everywhere 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:07.960 now and there are every ancient religion everywhere in the world. 1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:09.960 I'm gonna get guarantee there's some fucking frogs in it 1:21:10.080 --> 1:21:13.479 because like they're everywhere, and that they're old creatures people, 1:21:14.320 --> 1:21:18.120 frogs they've been around for a long times, have been around. 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:22.880 So the other the other thing that happened, so people 1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:26.960 not only basically created their whole mythology around this, creating 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:28.960 different types of religion. There was like kecki is Um 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:32.559 as a religion, the cult of keck Um esoter Keechism, 1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:35.360 all of their own distinct differences. Because these people spend 1:21:35.400 --> 1:21:38.280 all their time on the internet. Um, they developed all 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:41.679 these things. And they also found this old frog statue 1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:44.720 that they said was keck it Actually it isn't it's 1:21:44.720 --> 1:21:48.080 actually it's actually a gold called heck it Um. But 1:21:48.360 --> 1:21:53.800 on the basis does it doesn't matter. But on the 1:21:53.920 --> 1:21:57.040 base of the statue it had it had gliphs which 1:21:57.080 --> 1:22:00.720 appear to us modern humans as they they look like 1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:03.400 someone sitting on a computer like they look like like 1:22:03.479 --> 1:22:06.360 someone sitting in front of a monitor on a keyboard. Um. 1:22:06.479 --> 1:22:08.120 And on the other side of the keyboard is a 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:11.200 DNA is like what looks like a DNA spiral. So 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:14.880 this is like jes like jeans, right, jeans jeans are 1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:18.639 d NA memes our cultural DNA. This is a glyph 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:22.120 of the god teck on a statue with someone on 1:22:22.240 --> 1:22:25.559 a computer with a DNA spiral. Of course they're gonna 1:22:25.600 --> 1:22:27.599 take this is like some like message from the from 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:29.720 the gods. You're like, yes, I'm supposed to be. I 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:33.120 am supposed to be by my meming, I'm doing Chex's 1:22:33.200 --> 1:22:38.120 work to put Trump into office. Yeah, it's um god, 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:42.639 that's frustrating insurance. Uh, it sure is. But like all 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:44.200 of those in the in group, this is like the 1:22:44.240 --> 1:22:46.200 statue was just a depiction of what the check people 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:48.320 and the and the pepper spanders were doing posting on 1:22:48.400 --> 1:22:51.200 the Internet to manifest real world change. And that's that's 1:22:51.240 --> 1:22:54.000 all it is. If you want to see other examples 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:56.320 of this, like if you look at the ancient alien stuff, 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:59.520 there's this like famous Mayanna higher glyph of the astronomer 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:03.120 that's like if you if you know what a telescope is, 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:06.000 because you're looking at it a thousand years after it 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:07.840 was carved, it kind of looks like it might be 1:23:07.920 --> 1:23:10.920 a telescope, and it's part of what like people say like, oh, 1:23:11.080 --> 1:23:12.880 this is proof that like that this is an alien 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:15.600 Like he's looking at a fucking telescope. No, it was. 1:23:16.400 --> 1:23:18.720 There's other explanations for it. It was something like that 1:23:19.080 --> 1:23:22.360 somebody carved. Yeah, I think there's another thing that you started. 1:23:22.920 --> 1:23:25.080 And I see this like not even like I see 1:23:25.120 --> 1:23:27.040 this just this is just on the end of all time, 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:29.120 like I see left just do this or like so 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.439 like okay, so you learn something and then oh it's 1:23:31.439 --> 1:23:34.280 not true. But then people will keep spreading the thing 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:40.439 because they'll say, yeah, yeah, well it has more power 1:23:40.840 --> 1:23:42.720 with it, so you're still going to believe it. Yeah, 1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:45.120 Like when we talk about the fact that Will Wheaton 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:49.120 murdered three people in if you want to this is 1:23:49.160 --> 1:23:54.320 the message, like yeah, yeah with a knife, what's horrible? Yeah, Now, 1:23:54.320 --> 1:23:55.960 I mean he was in Thailand at the time, so 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:57.920 he was able to get out and we don't extra die. 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:01.040 So's he's he's got out Scott for But yeah, but 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:02.479 I mean like this is like the same this is 1:24:02.560 --> 1:24:04.639 this is the same thing that Trump does, which we'll 1:24:04.640 --> 1:24:06.559 talk about it, but we'll talk about a bit. It's 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:08.719 like if you would appeate the thing enough, it becomes 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:11.599 true for large swats of the population that that's that's 1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:15.160 that's all truth actually needs to be for people. Um, 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:17.599 I think I think we're gonna go and break uh 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:20.760 and come back and close us, close us up, and 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:25.200 finally finished this horrible discussion. Um. Anyone know who won't 1:24:26.280 --> 1:24:34.240 meme fascism? Well, actually, KFC the the have you seen 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:37.720 have you seen the KFC fascist posting on Twitter? Yea, 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:42.280 there's like a Spanish KFC account that has been doing that. 1:24:42.520 --> 1:24:46.920 That is up to some ship. Yeah, I hate I 1:24:47.040 --> 1:24:49.720 hate that. That's a sentence that that that you got 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:58.439 to say, I just hated for products. And we are back. 1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:03.080 I have finished and entire dark meat bucket and I 1:25:03.160 --> 1:25:08.680 am so full. Um yep. And now I'm sad. I'm 1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:11.559 sad because I'm still thinking of the fascist KFC Twitter account. 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:16.920 Um so we we. The other thing I want to do, 1:25:16.960 --> 1:25:20.719 want to mention is kind of Trump's own uh power 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:23.919 of belief kind of idea and how Trump was basically 1:25:24.439 --> 1:25:26.840 using esoteric terms, was able to basically create an alternate 1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:29.840 reality for millions of people to live in. Um And 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:32.080 there's really no getting through to them now because they're 1:25:32.160 --> 1:25:34.560 literally just in a just in a different dimension, and 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:38.200 there's just there's there's no way to pierce that other dimension. 1:25:38.400 --> 1:25:41.040 They're basically living in just a totally alternate reality there. 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:43.920 There's there's no use saying that it is the one 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:47.000 that we live in. UM. So Trump was obsessed with 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:49.120 a few of these ideas. He's less than like the like, 1:25:49.360 --> 1:25:52.719 He's less interested in like the woo and more interested 1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:55.320 in like the power of positive thinking, power of your 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:58.479 own belief. Um, he grew up in a movement and 1:25:58.640 --> 1:26:02.679 specific appeal stuff. Yeah, he grew up following a specific 1:26:02.720 --> 1:26:05.840 movement and church called that falls under the umbrella called 1:26:06.000 --> 1:26:11.240 New Thought, um, which is where Trump's you know, Trump's 1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:15.040 like like how strong Trump's ego is comes from this 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:18.559 idea of that you need to reinforce yourself and reinforce 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:21.360 your own victories because if you do that, you're gonna 1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:24.519 you're you're gonna find them. Right if if you're looking 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:26.680 for you're gonna find it. If you're looking for your 1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:29.360 own victories, you're going to force them to happen, um, 1:26:29.680 --> 1:26:32.880 even if they don't happen into other people. Right. But like, 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:37.040 so that we see this happening successfully with the election, 1:26:37.360 --> 1:26:40.640 we see both like all of the meming everything that 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:44.519 happened in the trusteen election worked for Trump um. And 1:26:44.800 --> 1:26:46.679 you know, you know, of course, of course he didn't 1:26:46.680 --> 1:26:48.880 win the popular vote, but that doesn't actually matter, but 1:26:49.120 --> 1:26:51.680 it worked into in getting him to office now it 1:26:52.160 --> 1:26:56.840 you know, it worked less well for the election, um, 1:26:57.320 --> 1:27:02.280 but still his real assertions that he won still gave 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:05.360 us a lot of real world results, like the January 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:08.960 six Capital insurrection. So like it's this right, So this 1:27:09.080 --> 1:27:11.120 type of idea that if you read, if you if 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:13.960 you reinforce this thing, if you reinforce this belief, if 1:27:14.000 --> 1:27:16.519 you can, if you have if you have this idea 1:27:16.960 --> 1:27:19.160 and you keep putting it out into the world, it's 1:27:19.200 --> 1:27:23.280 gonna manifest some type of real, real world result. And 1:27:23.560 --> 1:27:28.439 that that was January six That's what that was. And 1:27:28.760 --> 1:27:30.599 and that's the kind of the world we live in now. 1:27:30.680 --> 1:27:33.720 It's like the weaponized unreality world where people because of 1:27:33.760 --> 1:27:35.840 how media works, because are the Internet works, they're able 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:40.439 to create this like chaotic like like sphere of of 1:27:40.680 --> 1:27:44.800 energy and ideas that can like spread so much faster 1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:47.679 than anything used to be. That could everyone can segment 1:27:47.800 --> 1:27:50.639 their own reality into two degrees that we've never really 1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:54.120 seen before because of how fast information can travel. Now, um, 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:58.720 it is, it is. It is a new it's it 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:01.000 is a relatively new thing. The way that the way 1:28:01.040 --> 1:28:03.920 that this this this can operate so like memes, memes 1:28:04.000 --> 1:28:06.519 themselves like Pepe and all this kind of stuff undoubtedly 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:08.639 had had an impact on not only just the twenties 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:12.200 sixteen election, but just the entire political climate surrounding the 1:28:12.280 --> 1:28:15.519 whole Trump presidency. Uh Now, to the degree to which 1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:18.560 we can credit me magic or the god kick, that 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:21.479 part is meaningless because because the effect is the same 1:28:21.720 --> 1:28:26.280 that like the synchronicities were still experienced and and truth 1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:30.640 is just is just experiential. So it's the beliefs that 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:34.200 we kind of hold will shape how we experience things anyway, 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:37.120 and that will experience what the actual truth is. There's 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:39.240 there there is a great Robert Anton Wilson quote that 1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:41.479 is like reality is what you can get away with, 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:46.720 ye And that's that's like that that like summarizes how 1:28:46.840 --> 1:28:49.000 Trump was able to be so successful is because he 1:28:49.160 --> 1:28:52.720 was able to shape reality, right. I think me, me 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:54.920 and me and Chris were talking about this the other 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:58.040 day about how, Chris, do you want to say the 1:28:58.080 --> 1:29:01.040 thing about like the Democratic Party and Republican Party and 1:29:01.120 --> 1:29:04.240 how yeah, okay, okay, So there's there's there's there's a thing. 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:07.080 And Garrison I think was too young for this. But 1:29:07.200 --> 1:29:10.200 there's a very famous thing that that one of the 1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:13.640 Bushman pedietrition people said about how Democrats lived in the 1:29:13.680 --> 1:29:15.719 reality based community and this this is like a whole 1:29:15.840 --> 1:29:17.439 thing in the in like the two thousands, this is 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:20.360 in the Bush administration and everyone loses their minds and 1:29:20.400 --> 1:29:22.960 this is like a whole meme when the Democrats that's like, oh, 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:25.320 where the reality based community? And they're not. But but 1:29:25.520 --> 1:29:27.439 then this is the interesting part. If you look at 1:29:27.479 --> 1:29:29.920 the second part of that quote, right, what he's actually 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:33.800 saying is that so the Democrats are the reality based community, right, 1:29:33.840 --> 1:29:37.679 they they analyze reality. The Republican Party is the party 1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:39.920 that creates reality because other people in control the empire. 1:29:40.000 --> 1:29:42.360 And this is this is what neo conservative this was, right, 1:29:42.400 --> 1:29:44.200 And you know, the argument here basically is that the 1:29:44.240 --> 1:29:46.680 Democrats are you know, they're always going to be a 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:49.840 step behind because they're merely analyzing reality, whereas Republicans using 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:52.400 the powers or of the state to you know, change 1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:56.519 and define it. And this this worked for them, you 1:29:56.560 --> 1:29:58.200 know what. I would argue that this is how they 1:29:58.200 --> 1:30:00.280 came into power, This is how there's this is what 1:30:00.320 --> 1:30:04.400 they're still doing. Yeah. Yeah, why every president since Ronald 1:30:04.439 --> 1:30:07.280 Reagan has just been Ronald Reagan with a mask. Yeah. 1:30:07.320 --> 1:30:09.320 But but I think I think there's something very important here, 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:12.639 specifically about how Bush took off this right, because Bush, 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:15.880 Bush steals the election. Right, Bush does like the thing 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:18.200 that Trump was trying to do is what George Bush 1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:20.680 did into in two thousands, but with a riot, just 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:23.600 with a very kind of riot. Yeah. But but this 1:30:23.720 --> 1:30:24.760 is the thing, the thing, this is the thing that 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:27.560 Bush and the neo kons understood that the Trump is 1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:31.160 kind of understand but never quite solidified because they're not 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:34.479 like they're not sort of insider political actors. Which is that. Okay, 1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:37.479 so all of the stuff about saying something and it 1:30:37.600 --> 1:30:41.639 becoming real, right, there's there there's sort of a limit 1:30:41.720 --> 1:30:45.400 to this if if you don't have a gun. Now, 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:49.200 if you have a gun, then the limits of that 1:30:49.320 --> 1:30:51.599 are are you know, it's it's you can do basically 1:30:51.640 --> 1:30:53.240 whatever you want because you can just you can force 1:30:53.360 --> 1:30:55.760 everyone else to also accept this as reality. You know, 1:30:55.840 --> 1:30:57.760 this is what the state is, right, and there's there's 1:30:57.760 --> 1:30:59.080 a whole there's a whole thing. This is a couple 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:01.759 of performance theory. Like yeah, so like you you saying 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:03.479 the thing makes it so right? Well, this is this 1:31:03.600 --> 1:31:04.880 is what a state is. And this is how Bush 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:08.720 won the election because he, unlike Trump, who's people tried 1:31:08.760 --> 1:31:11.000 to like take power directly about like Stormy in the Capitol. 1:31:11.560 --> 1:31:14.639 Bush was smart and Bush was like, oh okay, I'm 1:31:14.760 --> 1:31:16.479 gonna I'm gonna de clare that I won the election. 1:31:16.600 --> 1:31:19.479 And but but but instead of like openly doing it right, 1:31:19.520 --> 1:31:21.360 I'm going to get the Supreme Court to declare that 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:24.160 I'm president. And you know, and this this, this requires 1:31:24.200 --> 1:31:26.679 the Brook's brothers riot stop the counts and all the stuff. 1:31:26.720 --> 1:31:29.559 Were like, you know, it's doesn't yeah, yeah, it's great, 1:31:29.560 --> 1:31:31.960 but it's like it doesn't it doesn't matter that, you know, 1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:34.320 he he didn't win Florida, like if if if if 1:31:34.360 --> 1:31:36.840 if if if the if the votes had actually been counted, 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:39.640 he would not have won Florida. But because he was 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:41.840 able to get the courts to say that he was president, 1:31:41.880 --> 1:31:45.519 he was president. And and that's that is the concept 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:48.040 of magic words yep, yep, and this is this is this, 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:50.280 this is this is all the state is right, it's 1:31:50.320 --> 1:31:52.120 this this this the state is magic with a gun 1:31:52.200 --> 1:31:54.320 behind it. Yeah it is, yeah, the state of magic. 1:31:54.400 --> 1:31:56.680 Because he's like, yeah, you're right. It's like magic can 1:31:56.800 --> 1:31:59.080 have a hard cap. There's gonna be a certain people that, 1:31:59.360 --> 1:32:02.920 you know, with with with Trump's reality altering kind of power, 1:32:03.280 --> 1:32:05.680 there's a certain that there is a hardcap on how 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:08.280 much I can influence the general population. But if you 1:32:08.360 --> 1:32:10.320 have a gun behind that, that gives us so much 1:32:10.400 --> 1:32:14.960 more enforceable power. And to go back to Egyptian mythology, 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:17.680 one of the attitudes they had about the pharaoh is 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:21.080 that reality was whatever the pharaoh declared. Other a lot 1:32:21.160 --> 1:32:23.640 of societies of this idea towards their monarchs, and the 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:27.640 duty of his people is to make reality conform to 1:32:27.760 --> 1:32:31.559 the Pharaoh's will, and like, that's that's what the GOP does. 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:36.280 Like that, I think I think the quote surrounding like, yeah, 1:32:36.720 --> 1:32:39.679 the Democrats are the reality based party because they because 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:42.640 they you know, observe it, except the reality and like 1:32:42.920 --> 1:32:45.599 and yeah and and like and like and like. Libs 1:32:45.640 --> 1:32:47.960 and Democrats are like, yes, they like they take some 1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:51.040 private like yes, we are rational, we observe reality. Meanwhile 1:32:51.080 --> 1:32:53.280 the Republicans are like, no, you just observe it, but 1:32:53.400 --> 1:32:55.800 we can just we can create it. I think that 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:59.200 is a great example of how those two parties operate 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:02.360 politically and how because like, yes, they're both they're both 1:33:02.360 --> 1:33:04.320 the right leading parties. But here's the difference for how 1:33:04.360 --> 1:33:07.040 they actually operate is that one of them is way 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:10.000 more passive in their observing of reality, and one is 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:13.960 is okay with getting their hands dirty and actually forcing 1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:17.800 this type of reality altering changes. I will say, I 1:33:17.840 --> 1:33:19.200 think like one thing to close this out is that 1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:21.120 you know, we can we when we can tie this 1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:22.840 all the way back to the second part of the 1:33:22.880 --> 1:33:25.160 Due of Higher episode, which is that the Niokon Neokon 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:28.400 project doesn't work. And the reason it doesn't work is 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:32.120 that you know, they they like they basically they lose 1:33:32.160 --> 1:33:35.200 militarily and that just that implodes the entire project. And 1:33:35.240 --> 1:33:37.080 so you know, and if if if if you look 1:33:37.160 --> 1:33:38.760 back at like all of this stuff about how we 1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:40.840 can shape reality, we can shape reality, we can shape reality. 1:33:41.320 --> 1:33:44.200 That stopped being true the moment that you know, like 1:33:44.560 --> 1:33:47.800 they lose control of Bosra or like you know, all 1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:53.160 like they when the other people uh Alsader is to 1:33:53.240 --> 1:33:56.080 be unkillable by all the weapons of Empire. Yeah, yeah, 1:33:56.120 --> 1:33:58.120 it's like you know, and and Sawder and Solder does 1:33:58.240 --> 1:34:00.160 this by like you know, Sauder sets up a bunch 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:02.559 of baby clinics, right, He's like, here's a bunch of clinics. 1:34:03.160 --> 1:34:05.519 Here we we we will will give help the pregnant mothers, 1:34:05.680 --> 1:34:07.120 like are you guys really gonna shoot us? And you know, 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:08.640 he build a militia around this and he's and he's 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.040 able to like he's one of the smartest people on 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:14.280 the planet. He's yeah, and it's not a good guy, 1:34:14.400 --> 1:34:18.920 but like completely shatter the neo kons like they they're dead, 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:20.960 Like they don't like that that project which was like 1:34:21.120 --> 1:34:24.680 the culmination of this this incredible like that described on 1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:28.200 electro prodectsble military project and they got their absolute as 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:32.840 kick by watch of people doing dual power. Yep, I think, 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:35.320 and I I really, I do want to talk more 1:34:35.320 --> 1:34:38.360 about kind of chaos magic and there's a lot on 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:41.439 the pot ground and I think, but yeah, I think 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:43.839 this is a great interesting how the how these concepts 1:34:43.920 --> 1:34:47.960 overlapped with politics and reality. Disagree on the end of 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:50.799 this with one aspect, Garrison, because you said their reality 1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:54.439 can't be pierced, but the ancient texts speak of a 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:57.760 spear that once pierced the side of Christ itself, and 1:34:57.840 --> 1:35:00.760 while Hitler held it, his armies were send it, but 1:35:00.880 --> 1:35:05.600 it was stolen. And if we can find the Sparrison, 1:35:05.960 --> 1:35:09.360 we can pierce their reality. Hey, I have a Fedora, 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:12.040 I have a whip. We could we all have fedora, Garrison, 1:35:12.120 --> 1:35:17.160 Let's do it. Let's go. We are. We are off 1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:20.360 to find the spear that sides us off, the Spear 1:35:20.400 --> 1:35:24.840 of Destiny. You can follow our adventures happened here pod 1:35:25.080 --> 1:35:28.120 and Nicolson Media on Twitter. Um and yeah, I'm sure 1:35:28.160 --> 1:35:30.200 we will give you updates for our spirit ventures at 1:35:30.240 --> 1:35:32.800 the pod. Sophie, we need half a million dollars to 1:35:32.880 --> 1:35:38.160 find the Spirit of Destiny. Okay, great, see you on 1:35:38.240 --> 1:35:46.920 the other side, Hey, lead the listeners take here. Last 1:35:46.960 --> 1:35:49.960 season on Lethal Lit, you might remember I came to 1:35:50.040 --> 1:35:53.840 Hollow Falls on a mission clearing my aunt best name 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:59.040 and making sure justice was finally served. But I hadn't 1:35:59.120 --> 1:36:01.799 counted on a rap show of new murders tearing apart 1:36:01.840 --> 1:36:06.000 the town. My mission put myself and my friends in danger. 1:36:06.760 --> 1:36:10.439 Though it wasn't all bad, I'm going to be real 1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:14.880 Ify Tig, I like you, But now all signs point 1:36:14.960 --> 1:36:18.080 to a new serial killer in Hollow Falls. If this 1:36:18.320 --> 1:36:21.599 game is just starting, you better believe I'm gonna win. 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:27.840 I'm Tig Torres and this is Lethal Lit. Catch up 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:30.519 on season one of the hit murder mystery podcast Lethal Lit. 1:36:30.680 --> 1:36:33.439 A tag Torre's mystery out now, and then tune in 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:35.880 for all new thrills in the season two, dropping weekly 1:36:35.960 --> 1:36:39.080 starting February nine. Subscribe now to never miss an episode. 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:41.479 Listen to Leave a Lit on the I Heart Radio app, 1:36:41.560 --> 1:36:45.960 Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The art 1:36:46.000 --> 1:36:50.120 world it is essentially a money laundering business. The best 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:52.800 fakes are still hanging off people's walls. You know they 1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:56.360 don't even know or suspect that they're fakes. I'm out 1:36:56.439 --> 1:37:00.639 like Baldwin and this is a podcast about deception, greed 1:37:00.760 --> 1:37:04.040 and forgery in the art world. You knew the painting 1:37:04.120 --> 1:37:10.680 was fake. Um. Listen to Art Fraud starting February one 1:37:11.360 --> 1:37:15.280 on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever 1:37:15.560 --> 1:37:27.280 you get your podcasts. I call the Union Hall as 1:37:27.400 --> 1:37:30.200 his matter, life and death. I thank these peoples of 1:37:30.280 --> 1:37:35.120 planning to kill Dr King. On April four, Dr Martin 1:37:35.200 --> 1:37:37.759 Luther King was shot and killed in Memphis. A petty 1:37:37.840 --> 1:37:41.360 criminal named James Earl Ray was arrested. He pled guilty 1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:43.320 to the crime and spent the rest of his life 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:49.080 in prison. Case closed right, James L. Ray was upon 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:53.560 for the official story. The authorities would parade all we 1:37:53.720 --> 1:37:57.040 found a gun the James L. Ray bought in Birmingham 1:37:57.240 --> 1:38:00.560 the kill Dr King, except it isn't the gun that 1:38:00.680 --> 1:38:03.920 killed Dr. King. One of the problems that came out 1:38:04.080 --> 1:38:07.479 when I got the ray case was that some of 1:38:07.560 --> 1:38:10.600 the evidence, as far as I was concerned, did not 1:38:10.880 --> 1:38:15.160 match the circumstances. This is the MLK tapes. The first 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:18.719 episodes are available now. Listen on the I Heart Radio app, 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:31.160 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kill them 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:34.960 All this has been it could happen here. The show 1:38:35.280 --> 1:38:40.880 where I just kill them all. Harrison and Chris want 1:38:40.920 --> 1:38:46.280 to let's take over. Oh boys, woke up. I haven't 1:38:46.320 --> 1:38:49.880 have coffee yet. That is incredibly spooky, urging murder. Well, 1:38:49.960 --> 1:38:52.679 it is spooky. You're right, this is true. I didn't 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:56.599 realize that until just now. But retroactively that makes it fine, 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:02.120 extreme spoky. Yeah, what are we doing? Who are we? 1:39:02.320 --> 1:39:04.920 We're we're doing We're where it can happen here. We're 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:08.080 doing this is this is This is a a podcast 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:10.960 where we talk about spooky stuff that happens around Halloween, 1:39:12.120 --> 1:39:15.720 and today we are doing the spookiest thing of all, 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:19.880 which will be revealed shortly. Oh boy, I hope it's 1:39:19.880 --> 1:39:25.360 Will Wheaton. Is not what Wheaton? Well, unfortunately, I really 1:39:25.400 --> 1:39:27.280 I really should have looked for that tie in because 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:31.960 there might be one is a CIA asset, we might 1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:35.000 get there. I don't know. Okay, see this is this 1:39:35.080 --> 1:39:36.720 is I'm hacking a fraud and I didn't actually look 1:39:36.720 --> 1:39:44.160 into this. Well we missed it, you and most journalists. Yeah, 1:39:44.880 --> 1:39:46.439 all right, what are we? What are we doing? What 1:39:46.520 --> 1:39:51.400 are we doing? On June four, a rancher named W. W. 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:54.240 Mac Brazil and his son Vernon We're driving me across 1:39:54.280 --> 1:39:58.040 their property when they encountered quote a large area of 1:39:58.160 --> 1:40:02.080 bright wreckage made up of strips, tinfoil, and rather tough 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:07.080 paper and sticks. Yeah me too, Just a regular night 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:11.280 in in in Oregon. But yeah, yeah, well buzzles back 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:14.400 in a time where people are baffled when weird things happened, 1:40:14.439 --> 1:40:17.760 instead of going oh it's Tuesday, so oh man, what 1:40:17.880 --> 1:40:21.200 a time. Yeah, so they didn't just go straight to Twitter. No, no, 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:23.519 he he, you know, he doesn't. That was actually, you know, 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:26.880 I kind of like reasonably a reasonably responsible thing to do, 1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:29.240 in which is that he spends about a week like 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:32.200 picking up all of the scraps that he can and 1:40:32.320 --> 1:40:34.280 like putting them in a box and he he drives 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:37.840 it to the sheriff and the sheriff, his name is George. 1:40:38.720 --> 1:40:42.240 That says a lot about the difference in urgency back then, 1:40:42.280 --> 1:40:44.439 where it's like, oh, this is important, I'll spend a 1:40:44.479 --> 1:40:47.200 week getting everything together, take it off to the share. 1:40:47.640 --> 1:40:51.160 Like before the Internet you could really afford to sit. 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:55.400 It was an era in which like if you had 1:40:55.439 --> 1:41:02.280 a busy life, three things happened. Okay, yeah. So so 1:41:03.439 --> 1:41:06.320 George Wilcox, the sheriff, looks at this and it's like, 1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:08.240 I have no idea what any of this crap is, Like, 1:41:08.520 --> 1:41:12.479 what is happening? So he takes it to Roswell Air 1:41:12.560 --> 1:41:17.800 Force Base for further investigation. Now, Colonel Butch Blanche, the 1:41:18.160 --> 1:41:22.360 commander of Roswell Airfields five O nine Composite Group you 1:41:22.400 --> 1:41:24.479 know it send sends a team out to analyze the wreckage, 1:41:24.479 --> 1:41:27.639 which includes an Air Force intelligence officer named Major Major 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:32.160 Jesse Marcel. Now Marcel gives a now infamous series of 1:41:32.240 --> 1:41:34.920 quotes to the media that results in the Roswell Daily 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:38.360 Record running the sentence quote. The Intelligence office of the 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:41.560 five O ninth Bombardment Group at Roswell Airfield announced that 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:43.840 noon that the field has come into possession of a 1:41:43.880 --> 1:41:48.040 flying saucer. Now this is the birth. Yeah, I mean, 1:41:48.120 --> 1:41:50.479 this isn't the birth of modern ufiology, but this is 1:41:50.560 --> 1:41:52.360 you know this, this is one of the most important 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:57.080 error events. And the pictures do rule all of all 1:41:57.160 --> 1:41:59.920 of the Roswell pictures are super rat because it's just 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:03.480 random ship in the field, and they're like, it's aliens. 1:42:04.200 --> 1:42:08.000 There's a random ship in the field. Now this this 1:42:08.160 --> 1:42:10.519 is all happening to be just like like scattered sort 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:13.479 of reports of UFOs that have been cropping up throughout 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:16.479 the sort of like the post war era. Yeah, and 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:19.120 the next day, the Air Force releases a statement saying 1:42:19.200 --> 1:42:21.000 there's no flying saucer in the wreckage. Is just an 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:25.080 air balloon? Is this you know it's it's it's just yeah. Yeah, 1:42:25.080 --> 1:42:30.080 so the airport sure air Force weather balloon. Yeah, yeah, 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:33.720 they're lying. Everyone knows they're lying. But this is where 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:37.240 things get bad because when Mark Brasil really discovered with 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:41.080 something even spookier and more sinister than aliens. Mark Brazil 1:42:41.120 --> 1:42:46.800 had discovered was the American military Industrial complex. It turned out, 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:50.920 Oh it's it's it's real spooky. It's yeah, we're right. 1:42:50.960 --> 1:42:52.800 By by the end of this episode, they will have 1:42:53.479 --> 1:42:56.120 I had to cut two times they almost killed everyone 1:42:56.160 --> 1:42:59.960 on Earth. Okay, well all right, so we're gonna be 1:43:00.200 --> 1:43:02.840 judging folks for almost killing everyone on Earth, like you 1:43:03.000 --> 1:43:05.679 haven't almost killed everyone on Earth. Come on, that's true, 1:43:05.720 --> 1:43:09.880 that's true. Podcasting saves me from a mass distinction of 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:14.240 the entire human race and will eventually end all life 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:18.000 on this planet. I believe in podcasting's potential to kill 1:43:18.240 --> 1:43:22.120 absolutely everyone. Yeah, it's it's great, it's it's a time. 1:43:23.120 --> 1:43:26.280 It's actually you know this part part of this is 1:43:26.280 --> 1:43:29.560 actually going to be about how we get to the 1:43:29.680 --> 1:43:32.240 point where everyone is podcasting on the internet. De belt 1:43:32.320 --> 1:43:36.840 things that that does. This does absolutely plagued in to 1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:40.479 the Swell incident. Yeah, because there's a there's a strong 1:43:40.680 --> 1:43:43.479 line between ship like Coast to Coast FM and the 1:43:43.560 --> 1:43:48.799 old like conspiracy you know, the precursors to that alien 1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:52.920 UFO whatever radio shows and ship on the on the 1:43:53.000 --> 1:43:55.960 wide band back in the day, and uh in podcasts 1:43:56.000 --> 1:43:58.280 where we are right now. Yep, it's it's great, it's 1:43:58.280 --> 1:44:00.280 a it's a good time. We're descended from great media. 1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:03.639 We're going to continue to produce green media where totally 1:44:03.760 --> 1:44:07.439 not just like an extremely a much larger version of 1:44:07.640 --> 1:44:10.320 the radio broadcast you get right before genocide. That's like, 1:44:10.400 --> 1:44:12.880 that's not what's happening here. It's all in fact good 1:44:12.920 --> 1:44:15.519 and cool. I mean, this is why I tell people 1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:20.960 too get machetes. It's true that was a bad made 1:44:21.000 --> 1:44:23.360 that made that comment. Look, we just we we just 1:44:23.479 --> 1:44:26.040 we just we just got to make sure only ways 1:44:26.080 --> 1:44:32.000 to blaze on right ahead. Now, the Air Force is 1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:33.720 lying out of its ass. But the Air Force isn't 1:44:33.760 --> 1:44:35.400 lying out of its ass because they have a flying saucer. 1:44:35.479 --> 1:44:37.519 The Air Force knows precisely what they've gotten their hands 1:44:37.560 --> 1:44:42.040 on here because the other identified flying object that has 1:44:42.080 --> 1:44:45.360 trashed at Roswell is actually something called Project Mogul. Now 1:44:45.520 --> 1:44:47.519 to understand Project Mogul, we need to go back a 1:44:47.600 --> 1:44:52.040 little bit. Yeah, in the US drops two nuclear bombs 1:44:52.040 --> 1:44:55.919 of Japan. And this does a lot of things literally 1:44:56.040 --> 1:44:59.200 all of which are bad um. And what one of 1:44:59.280 --> 1:45:01.600 which is that it sets off a sort of and 1:45:01.840 --> 1:45:04.000 it's it sets off you know, the thing that we 1:45:04.120 --> 1:45:06.960 all live in now, which is the nuclear arms race 1:45:07.000 --> 1:45:08.160 between the U S and the U S s R. 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:10.960 Who you know, but pretty quickly after World War two 1:45:10.960 --> 1:45:15.120 are just bitter enemies, and you know, but there's just 1:45:15.479 --> 1:45:18.840 bores raging across the world between communist anti companist forces. 1:45:18.920 --> 1:45:21.080 This is what's war in China, I mean in Greece, 1:45:21.760 --> 1:45:23.519 which I think people know. People know more about the 1:45:23.600 --> 1:45:27.280 Chinese of war, people know less about Greece. Were just 1:45:27.400 --> 1:45:30.679 like the British. The British are like, oh, the Communist 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:33.000 are gonna take power, So they just like give all 1:45:33.080 --> 1:45:35.040 the guns back to the fascist and they start doing 1:45:35.080 --> 1:45:38.240 the Holocaust again, and that you know, sets off this 1:45:38.320 --> 1:45:42.680 own another civil war there. And you know, as as 1:45:42.760 --> 1:45:45.080 as Europe becomes you know, divided between the two great powers, 1:45:45.680 --> 1:45:48.439 the US becomes increasingly worried about the USS are crying 1:45:48.600 --> 1:45:51.960 acquiring their own nuclear weapons. So to detect the potential 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:56.280 Soviet nuclear test, the US embarked on Project Mogil. Project 1:45:56.360 --> 1:45:59.000 Mogil sent six d and fifty seven foot balloons. These 1:45:59.240 --> 1:46:02.680 are like massively, they're twice the size that's actually of liberty. Yeah, 1:46:02.720 --> 1:46:04.960 those balloons are bigger than a balloon needs to be. Yeah, 1:46:04.960 --> 1:46:09.519 they're they're too large. It's too big for balloons. And 1:46:09.640 --> 1:46:12.160 they so they load these balloons with like sensor and 1:46:12.200 --> 1:46:15.839 listening equipment to like detecting nuclear detonation. They like they 1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:18.280 like float them into the upper jet stream and the 1:46:18.360 --> 1:46:20.120 jetteam like pushed them to Russia. Is sort of the 1:46:20.160 --> 1:46:23.600 plan behind it, and this sort of works, except the 1:46:23.680 --> 1:46:26.639 Russians don't have nukes yet. So yeah, this, by the way, 1:46:26.760 --> 1:46:30.000 is also why the song Red Balloons was not just 1:46:30.320 --> 1:46:34.960 a banger but also very realistic, because we absolutely could 1:46:34.960 --> 1:46:37.840 have had a nuclear exchange over some fucking balloons. Oh yeah, yeah, 1:46:37.920 --> 1:46:42.559 actually I don't I'm not sure there's any direct balloon 1:46:42.760 --> 1:46:47.400 related near nuclear exchanges in this episode, but don't worry. 1:46:47.720 --> 1:46:50.840 It happened. Yeah, well, you know, and what what what 1:46:50.960 --> 1:46:54.040 it did actually do was you know, set off the 1:46:54.080 --> 1:46:57.160 modern UFO thing because you know, one of these balloons 1:46:57.320 --> 1:47:00.760 like fails and it's it's views the records around and 1:47:01.560 --> 1:47:08.519 you know there's, yeah, this this, you know, this is this. 1:47:08.640 --> 1:47:10.000 Then you see a bunch of the problems that are 1:47:10.040 --> 1:47:11.840 gonna happen with the rest of how the course of 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:15.759 UFOs go, because you know, you have initially the government's 1:47:15.800 --> 1:47:17.920 like we have a flying saucer and then they turn 1:47:18.000 --> 1:47:20.680 around and do this like incredibly half ass cover up 1:47:20.960 --> 1:47:24.080 that like everyone knows his fake and you know, so 1:47:24.439 --> 1:47:26.680 you know, because Americans are Americans, they don't assume that 1:47:26.800 --> 1:47:31.200 like the US is, you know, creating a devastating new 1:47:31.640 --> 1:47:34.120 surveillance and intelligence program that would be used to further 1:47:34.560 --> 1:47:38.200 total nuclear war. Instead they go, it's aliens, Yeah, because 1:47:38.240 --> 1:47:41.120 we're great at okoins Razor. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a time. 1:47:41.439 --> 1:47:43.960 But I think what's really important here is it what 1:47:44.160 --> 1:47:47.240 Brazil had actually made first contact with was America's new 1:47:47.320 --> 1:47:50.400 thermal nuclear monarchy. And this is something that I think 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:54.080 more people should talk about, which is that having nukes 1:47:55.360 --> 1:47:58.960 just as a thing massively centralizes power into sort of 1:47:59.040 --> 1:48:02.240 individual people and the executive branch. Because you know, so 1:48:02.320 --> 1:48:04.000 if you have nuclear weapons, right, the theory is that 1:48:04.120 --> 1:48:06.000 you have to have one person who presses the button 1:48:06.040 --> 1:48:08.720 to shoot them, and you can't have like, you know, 1:48:08.920 --> 1:48:11.840 there's not enough time for like a parliamentary delivered or 1:48:11.920 --> 1:48:15.600 body to like set the dukes off. And so this 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:19.960 becomes this rationale for enormously centralizing the party executive branch. 1:48:20.000 --> 1:48:24.160 And this this produces an absolutely terrifying new wage of 1:48:24.200 --> 1:48:28.360 state secrecy, filled with increasingly powerful and clandestine government agencies 1:48:28.400 --> 1:48:31.800 and bureaucracies ranging from the CIA are Good Friends to 1:48:32.080 --> 1:48:36.040 the much lesser known Atomic Energy Commission and these agencies 1:48:36.560 --> 1:48:39.000 the power of their secrecy is so strong that I mean, 1:48:39.040 --> 1:48:44.720 by the Atomic Energy Commissions, like successor agency decides that 1:48:44.760 --> 1:48:47.799 they can keep secrets from the president on the basis 1:48:47.840 --> 1:48:51.200 that the president does not need to know, which is 1:48:51.439 --> 1:48:56.000 absolutely horrifying. Well yeah, I mean, look, it's just you've 1:48:56.040 --> 1:48:58.240 got a democracy, and that's going to be a problem 1:48:58.280 --> 1:49:02.519 because it in democracy people presumably to make choices, and 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:06.360 if you don't want them to decide not to continue 1:49:06.439 --> 1:49:09.840 making weird ship to throw into the sky, then you 1:49:09.920 --> 1:49:13.400 know why, you probably should just not tell anybody anything. Yeah. Well, 1:49:13.439 --> 1:49:16.840 and that that particular story is also grim I it's 1:49:16.920 --> 1:49:19.320 one thing that was debating covering they're they're covering up 1:49:19.360 --> 1:49:22.160 the fact that they deliberately poisoned enormous like hundreds and 1:49:22.240 --> 1:49:25.880 hundreds of people with radiation to do human testing on them. Yeah, 1:49:27.160 --> 1:49:29.240 it doesn't need to know this, Like it doesn't need 1:49:29.280 --> 1:49:32.560 to know about you know. I mean it's like we 1:49:32.680 --> 1:49:35.200 don't tell Sophie. Guys, a lot of the things that 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:39.000 we do our budget. Um, like when we irradiated all 1:49:39.040 --> 1:49:43.200 those people for a podcast, we're we're still not telling 1:49:43.280 --> 1:49:47.360 Sophie that, Yeah, it could happen here black budget remain secret. Yeah, 1:49:48.400 --> 1:49:52.519 it is a lot of money. Please continue. Now. All 1:49:52.560 --> 1:49:54.680 of the secrecy around this, and the fact that these 1:49:54.720 --> 1:49:58.040 cover ups are like the most half asked ship anyone 1:49:58.080 --> 1:50:00.600 has ever seen, you know it could it fuels his 1:50:00.680 --> 1:50:03.720 rampant speculation around UFOs and the conspiracy theorists are also 1:50:03.760 --> 1:50:06.599 aided by the fact that people keep seeing weird flying objects. 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:09.120 Be sure, do we love We love to see weird 1:50:09.160 --> 1:50:11.679 ship in this guy. We are very good at it. Yeah, 1:50:12.120 --> 1:50:15.080 it's we're incredible. It's see it and this guy is 1:50:15.160 --> 1:50:20.920 full of weird. It's true. I saw crow the other day. Anyway. Yeah, 1:50:21.280 --> 1:50:26.280 in hundreds of people start who are on airplanes start 1:50:26.360 --> 1:50:30.840 seeing these just enormous flaming crosses flying in possibly high 1:50:30.840 --> 1:50:35.639 and possibly fastened the sky, and publicly KKs gained space flight. 1:50:37.040 --> 1:50:42.000 It's it's worse than that. It's it's the people. The 1:50:42.040 --> 1:50:44.519 people doing this are worse than the KKK, which is 1:50:45.640 --> 1:50:49.360 what a sentence. It's great, it's yeah. So so you know, 1:50:49.680 --> 1:50:52.360 in public, the US governments like whatever, these aren't the thing, 1:50:52.439 --> 1:50:56.760 they're fake, whatever their mediological disservices. In private, the passengers 1:50:56.800 --> 1:50:58.719 who are on these jets that that see these flaming 1:50:58.760 --> 1:51:01.799 Crosses are all detained the FBI and sworn to secrecy 1:51:01.840 --> 1:51:05.519 after providing accounts of what they'd seen. Awesome and yeah, 1:51:05.560 --> 1:51:08.040 and this this is also part of the surf uf 1:51:08.080 --> 1:51:10.519 OL mythology. And this does actually happen like that, The 1:51:10.600 --> 1:51:13.200 FBI does actually show up to these people. Well, that's 1:51:13.200 --> 1:51:15.280 who you send in when you want people to stop 1:51:15.360 --> 1:51:18.000 wondering if something shady is going on. Yeah. Yeah, it's 1:51:18.000 --> 1:51:20.519 when I hear the FBI is telling people to shut 1:51:20.600 --> 1:51:23.000 up about something, I think, well, that's not worth looking 1:51:23.080 --> 1:51:25.120 into it all. When you have five men in suits 1:51:25.160 --> 1:51:28.040 and sunglasses show at your door and talk about something, 1:51:28.360 --> 1:51:30.280 you know, that means definitely thing is fine and normal. 1:51:31.479 --> 1:51:33.120 You know what I don't think of when I think 1:51:33.160 --> 1:51:37.560 of the FBI UFO cover ups. It's great. Yeah, this 1:51:37.720 --> 1:51:40.360 is this is This is America's first contact with yet 1:51:40.439 --> 1:51:44.200 another new part of his clandestine military military bureaucracy. Area 1:51:44.360 --> 1:51:50.200 fifty one. Area fifty one is a secret military aeronautics 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:53.040 research and development facility built on a salt flat called 1:51:53.160 --> 1:51:56.720 Lake Groom inside the massive Nevada Test and Training Range UM. 1:51:57.120 --> 1:51:59.000 This place, by the way, this place is massive. This 1:51:59.080 --> 1:52:00.720 place is like the size of connect Like, it's like 1:52:00.840 --> 1:52:03.720 larger than Connecticut, It's larger than than most of the 1:52:03.800 --> 1:52:07.120 eastern state. Yeah, it's enormous. And but you know, it's 1:52:07.120 --> 1:52:08.680 something I think it's very interesting about this is that, 1:52:08.760 --> 1:52:11.400 for all it's mystique, Area fifty one is not the 1:52:11.439 --> 1:52:13.880 most dangerous facility on the Nevada tests and training right now. 1:52:13.960 --> 1:52:16.519 That's they're fifty two, the sub level below where they 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:19.719 store the real weird ship. Yeah. Okay, so I watched 1:52:19.760 --> 1:52:21.680 I watched a few YouTube videos. I think I know 1:52:21.760 --> 1:52:24.320 what I'm talking about definitely, so that we are actually 1:52:24.400 --> 1:52:28.360 going to get to all right, Yeah, well, the thing, 1:52:28.920 --> 1:52:32.040 the thing that's actually really dangerous is areas twelve, nineteen, 1:52:32.080 --> 1:52:36.599 and twenty, because that's the Nevada areas. Do these motherfucker's names. 1:52:37.840 --> 1:52:40.599 There's a damn all these things, yeah, all the others, 1:52:40.680 --> 1:52:42.280 because I mean this, this this is like a state 1:52:42.439 --> 1:52:46.080 sized like testing facility. Right, Okay, they get all these 1:52:46.120 --> 1:52:49.760 fucking areas, but the branch Davidians have one compound where 1:52:49.760 --> 1:52:52.639 they don't even do very many illegal things, and suddenly 1:52:52.720 --> 1:52:54.720 it's a problem. Here's the thing that let's see how 1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:57.120 it is. Video has never had nukes and that that 1:52:57.280 --> 1:53:01.800 that that could could you imagine though, pretty amazed. You 1:53:01.880 --> 1:53:04.960 know what, if they'd had nukes about like a D, 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:10.720 people would still be alive maybe for everyone would be dead. Yeah, 1:53:10.840 --> 1:53:14.080 that's two a D people would be alive or everyone 1:53:14.160 --> 1:53:19.080 on Earth would be dead. So Area fifty one is 1:53:19.120 --> 1:53:21.160 the partner of the Nevada test site, which which is 1:53:21.200 --> 1:53:23.680 areas twelveth, nineteen and twenty, and that's where the real 1:53:23.760 --> 1:53:27.519 dangerous ship happens, which is the US test nuclear weapons there. Okay, 1:53:28.479 --> 1:53:31.080 but we need to make it clear at the outset 1:53:31.640 --> 1:53:34.479 we should not be underestimating Area fifty one. That place 1:53:34.520 --> 1:53:37.000 has done irreparable harm to the cause of world peace 1:53:37.000 --> 1:53:39.240 and very nearly like cause us all to go extinct 1:53:39.320 --> 1:53:43.720 several times. So do not underestimate the power of of 1:53:43.920 --> 1:53:49.280 of military spy airplanes yeah can lead us all destruction. 1:53:49.760 --> 1:53:53.040 Are honestly way more way more spooky than any little 1:53:53.120 --> 1:53:58.280 gray creatures at large. Different various planes, just with cameras 1:53:58.360 --> 1:54:01.120 on them have gotten us closer to the extermination of 1:54:01.200 --> 1:54:07.040 all life on Earth and basically anything else except for 1:54:07.120 --> 1:54:10.360 that one computer buck that the Russians had that would 1:54:10.360 --> 1:54:13.280 have killed us all if not for Petrov. I think 1:54:13.320 --> 1:54:15.040 his name is I forget his last name. That one 1:54:15.080 --> 1:54:16.720 guy who was like, we're not going to have a 1:54:16.800 --> 1:54:19.439 nuclear war right now, Well, there's there's a lot this is. 1:54:19.520 --> 1:54:22.920 This is Weirdly the Soviets come out looking like yeah, 1:54:23.880 --> 1:54:26.160 so yeah. It's like every every time there's almost a 1:54:26.240 --> 1:54:28.759 nuclear war, it's like it doesn't happen because the Soviets 1:54:28.800 --> 1:54:31.040 are like no, and the Americans are like, we want 1:54:31.160 --> 1:54:37.160 this war and the like. When it comes to atomic 1:54:37.240 --> 1:54:40.200 apocalypse stories, if you, if you, if you tally up 1:54:40.240 --> 1:54:42.640 all the columns, because the Soviets definitely have a few 1:54:42.720 --> 1:54:45.480 in their side, but it winds up way more fucked 1:54:45.520 --> 1:54:47.960 up nuke incidents on the U S side of things 1:54:48.040 --> 1:54:50.600 than the Soviet side of things, although there wasn't. That 1:54:50.720 --> 1:54:52.800 time they built a bomb so big that it might 1:54:52.840 --> 1:54:55.360 have changed to the tilt of the earth if they had, 1:54:55.760 --> 1:54:57.800 and at the last moment they were like, let's take 1:54:57.880 --> 1:55:00.200 half of the zile material out of this. This like 1:55:00.320 --> 1:55:06.720 a bad idea, It's it's great. Yeah, so so speak 1:55:06.760 --> 1:55:11.280 speaking of bad ideas involving in involving nuclear weapons. So 1:55:13.720 --> 1:55:19.840 oh no, I thought, speaking speaking ideas, you know what 1:55:19.960 --> 1:55:23.720 else will change the tilt of the earth? The products 1:55:23.760 --> 1:55:30.240 and services, their quality. It's so intent that it's like 1:55:30.600 --> 1:55:36.360 the Czarre bomba. It is just like that explosive potential. Yeah. 1:55:36.840 --> 1:55:39.560 Area fifty one was founded in nineteen fifty one by 1:55:39.560 --> 1:55:43.080 the Atomic Energy Commission, a federal agency established as a 1:55:43.120 --> 1:55:46.120 successor to the mother of all black projects, the Manhattan Project. 1:55:47.200 --> 1:55:50.640 Now black projects are secret off the book's military defense projects, 1:55:50.680 --> 1:55:52.919 the existence of which are kept secret even from Congress, 1:55:53.240 --> 1:55:55.200 which is a totally cool and normal thing to have 1:55:55.360 --> 1:55:58.200 in a democracy when you're representative body does not know 1:55:59.200 --> 1:56:02.680 what what out what what the military is doing. Now, 1:56:03.280 --> 1:56:06.280 Avery fifty one is interesting because it's it's basically like 1:56:06.400 --> 1:56:09.520 a black project of a black project. It's so secret 1:56:09.640 --> 1:56:13.040 that like the Vice President lb J, who is like 1:56:13.200 --> 1:56:15.520 not a funk off vice president, right, is this is 1:56:15.680 --> 1:56:22.000 lb J? Like LBJ, He's he's like type yeah yeah, 1:56:22.040 --> 1:56:23.960 And and she's also gonn show up the story briefly 1:56:24.240 --> 1:56:26.960 but yeah, like even he didn't actually really know what 1:56:27.080 --> 1:56:29.880 was going on there until like after JFK was assassinated. 1:56:30.400 --> 1:56:34.560 So this this place is really secret, and as best 1:56:34.600 --> 1:56:37.080 we can tell, in its first four years, it was 1:56:37.520 --> 1:56:43.360 essentially the Atomic Energy Commission I basically wanted a place 1:56:43.440 --> 1:56:45.760 to do off the books, like pilot and aircraft testing, 1:56:46.920 --> 1:56:48.840 and they were able to do the successfully that like 1:56:48.880 --> 1:56:51.120 we basically don't know what they did for four years. 1:56:52.040 --> 1:56:56.000 But yeah, but but but in the facility has taken 1:56:56.040 --> 1:56:59.920 over by an even spooky organization, the Central Intelligence Agency, 1:57:00.920 --> 1:57:06.280 our our old friends. Now that the CIA, you know, 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:09.080 this is this n and the CIA has spent the 1:57:09.120 --> 1:57:12.120 early years of the Cold War getting just it's absolute 1:57:12.160 --> 1:57:14.400 ass handed to it in Europe because you know, this 1:57:14.520 --> 1:57:16.560 is what happens with a bunch of different Harvard grads 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:19.760 in like yeah, because the people with acid and that's 1:57:19.800 --> 1:57:22.640 all they're doing. Yeah, yeah, but probise. So they're running 1:57:22.640 --> 1:57:24.960 into a real intelligence stategency, which is the KGB, who like, 1:57:25.280 --> 1:57:28.440 like those guys do not sunk around. They don't just 1:57:28.680 --> 1:57:31.760 poison people with acid. They they they're they they're they're 1:57:32.000 --> 1:57:36.000 much much more intense than than the early fifties the CIA. Yeah, yeah, 1:57:36.040 --> 1:57:37.720 and so and so they have this real problem which 1:57:37.760 --> 1:57:42.080 is that they the CIA basically can't get intelligence out 1:57:42.120 --> 1:57:45.440 of Eastern Europe, which is bad when your whole, like 1:57:45.600 --> 1:57:49.120 your entire like state is based off of like fighting 1:57:49.240 --> 1:57:52.280 Eastern Europe. So the kin of your main target. Yeah. Yeah, 1:57:52.320 --> 1:57:55.360 So the solution is to fly a plane really high 1:57:55.520 --> 1:58:00.360 over Russia and uses to take pictures. Now seems good. Yeah, 1:58:00.480 --> 1:58:02.880 Like I think like this sounds like I think kind 1:58:02.880 --> 1:58:05.120 of banal to us in the twenty one century, where 1:58:05.160 --> 1:58:07.680 like this is this is like this is like this 1:58:07.800 --> 1:58:10.840 is like pre satellite Yeah yeah, and and you know, 1:58:10.960 --> 1:58:13.200 like like we were all just sort of used to 1:58:13.240 --> 1:58:15.200 the fact that like the government is buying on us 1:58:15.240 --> 1:58:18.080 at all times. We sure are, but you know, in 1:58:18.240 --> 1:58:22.080 in in the nine this is incredibly radical. Like the 1:58:22.160 --> 1:58:24.680 the US, the US has only had intelligent agencies for 1:58:24.760 --> 1:58:28.800 like ten years, and there is no precedent at all. 1:58:29.080 --> 1:58:31.920 There's none, no precedent for flying surveillance over a country 1:58:31.960 --> 1:58:34.760 you aren't actively at war with, Like the only reason 1:58:34.840 --> 1:58:37.280 you flying airplane over countries if you're about to bomb them. 1:58:37.800 --> 1:58:40.440 People should note also that like the first ten years 1:58:40.560 --> 1:58:43.680 or so that we had an intelligence industry, every single 1:58:44.000 --> 1:58:47.680 or that we had ant like intelligence agencies, every single 1:58:47.840 --> 1:58:51.200 vote for funding them, every single like vote for giving 1:58:51.240 --> 1:58:55.120 them new powers was like universally supported by both parties. 1:58:55.320 --> 1:58:58.280 There was there was zero dissent about whether or not 1:58:58.440 --> 1:59:00.360 we should have a c I, A and they should 1:59:00.360 --> 1:59:02.280 have a giant black budget to do all sorts of 1:59:02.360 --> 1:59:05.080 scary ship that might provoke a nuclear war. People are 1:59:05.120 --> 1:59:07.760 just like, well, of course it's really bad. And I 1:59:07.840 --> 1:59:09.720 think this is this is you know, this is what 1:59:09.840 --> 1:59:12.880 Area fifty one actually is. The Area fifty one is 1:59:13.000 --> 1:59:16.000 the place where the development is, the permanent intelligent industrial 1:59:16.080 --> 1:59:21.360 complex is permanently solidified. And this all starts with the 1:59:21.480 --> 1:59:26.200 U two. Now, the CIA brings in Lucked Martin and 1:59:26.680 --> 1:59:30.000 a little known but very powerful and influential defense contractor 1:59:30.080 --> 1:59:33.000 called E. G and G. Who I mean, they do 1:59:33.080 --> 1:59:35.920 a lot of stuff, but that's such a defense contractor. Yeah, 1:59:36.000 --> 1:59:37.960 it's it's it's it's like it's the ultimate defense contra nation, 1:59:38.000 --> 1:59:39.800 actual name, and nobody knows who they are because they 1:59:39.880 --> 1:59:44.200 make like cameras and like film equipment and stuff. But like, 1:59:44.280 --> 1:59:46.160 you know, so these are the people who like made 1:59:46.200 --> 1:59:49.200 the cameras that could take pictures of nuclear Yeah, yeah, 1:59:50.240 --> 1:59:52.360 and you know, and so and so the CIA brings 1:59:52.400 --> 1:59:54.520 them all to this like remote testing Rage in Nevada 1:59:54.600 --> 1:59:57.480 to work in a secret project called Dragon Lady. Now 1:59:57.600 --> 1:59:59.800 in its early stages, Area fifty one is so secret 1:59:59.880 --> 2:00:01.880 that like even the Air Force doesn't know about it, 2:00:02.560 --> 2:00:05.800 and this like really pisss off the Air Forces senior 2:00:05.960 --> 2:00:08.240 senior generals, in particular a guy who was going to 2:00:08.280 --> 2:00:12.080 become very important to the story, Air Force General Curtis LeMay, 2:00:12.720 --> 2:00:18.680 who like that man like that. I I don't say 2:00:18.720 --> 2:00:21.800 this very often about historical figures, but like if someone 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:24.880 had assassinated General Curtis Lemie, the world like we would 2:00:25.440 --> 2:00:27.800 like the amount safer that the world would have been. 2:00:28.640 --> 2:00:32.720 Described the architects of saturation bombing started in World War 2:00:32.800 --> 2:00:37.520 Two and continuing. Uh and from up to now we 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:40.440 didn't stop. And that is that is not the worst 2:00:40.520 --> 2:00:44.920 thing he's involved in. Yeah, now, but in Lomay is 2:00:44.960 --> 2:00:47.560 extremely piste off that the CIA doesn't tell them about this, 2:00:47.880 --> 2:00:50.720 and he's going to remember that that that's gonna become 2:00:50.720 --> 2:00:53.440 important later in this story. But eventually the CIA is 2:00:53.520 --> 2:00:55.400 forced to bring the Air Force into Area fifty one 2:00:55.520 --> 2:00:58.400 for a number of reasons, partially because they're flying airplanes 2:00:58.520 --> 2:01:00.560 and partially because the YouTube is kind of a piece 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:03.000 of ship, you know, and part of it Okay, so 2:01:03.080 --> 2:01:05.560 they're learning how to fly plane is really high for 2:01:05.640 --> 2:01:08.840 the first time, but you know the YouTube if you 2:01:08.920 --> 2:01:11.160 fly it too slowly. It's stalls, which is like, Okay, 2:01:11.200 --> 2:01:13.560 that's kind of a normal airplane. The you the YouTube 2:01:13.640 --> 2:01:17.160 is an amazing aircraft because it just as the most 2:01:17.240 --> 2:01:21.960 absurd pieces of aviation equipment ever designed, and like watching 2:01:22.000 --> 2:01:24.160 those things take off and land is the most funny 2:01:24.200 --> 2:01:26.800 thing on that's wild. Like the other problem is like 2:01:27.200 --> 2:01:28.920 as a stalling problem, but also has the problem if 2:01:28.960 --> 2:01:31.360 you fly it too fast, the wings will fall off. 2:01:32.080 --> 2:01:38.919 Okay's plane, Chris. It's so it's so massive and so fragile. 2:01:39.480 --> 2:01:42.680 The wings are so heavy and so large. It's one 2:01:42.680 --> 2:01:46.440 of the most ridiculous pieces of equipment ever designed. It's 2:01:46.520 --> 2:01:49.960 it's it's incredible. So yeah, so the CIA needs help 2:01:50.040 --> 2:01:51.520 to get this thing working. And so the result is 2:01:51.560 --> 2:01:54.000 that Area fifty one at this point is is staffed 2:01:54.000 --> 2:01:56.480 by about it's one third CIA, one third Air Force, 2:01:56.560 --> 2:01:59.080 and one third Locking Martin. What a what a combination 2:01:59.840 --> 2:02:04.000 these are the god, can you imagine that cafeteria. The conversations. 2:02:05.160 --> 2:02:06.560 It's wild too, because it's like, because you have a 2:02:06.640 --> 2:02:08.520 bunch of just like spooks, right, You're a bunch of 2:02:08.600 --> 2:02:10.440 just like people. And then there's just like a bunch 2:02:10.480 --> 2:02:14.240 of test pilots who are like just nuts and have 2:02:14.400 --> 2:02:17.400 been like a bunch of like like people who are 2:02:17.520 --> 2:02:20.720 like genuine war heroes who like fought in World War 2:02:20.800 --> 2:02:22.720 two but then went turned around and like it did 2:02:22.760 --> 2:02:30.560 horrible war crimes and like Koreas like Tom Cruise from 2:02:30.640 --> 2:02:34.800 Top Gun but with horrible PTSD and Michael Douglas from 2:02:34.840 --> 2:02:37.800 falling down. He hasn't picked up a gun yet. We can, 2:02:37.840 --> 2:02:39.880 we can, we can mention this now. So top the 2:02:40.120 --> 2:02:42.720 reason that Top Gun exists is actually also AREAFT one? 2:02:43.160 --> 2:02:46.080 Yeah yeah, yeah, Because at one point the US, like 2:02:46.560 --> 2:02:52.480 so the Israeli's managed to convince it was three pilots 2:02:52.520 --> 2:02:55.040 to defect, and then they gave the airplane to the US, 2:02:55.080 --> 2:02:56.360 and so the US spent a bunch of time like 2:02:56.400 --> 2:02:59.160 flying this big twenty three a round and figuring out 2:02:59.200 --> 2:03:01.400 how it worked. And that's how they like trained they 2:03:01.400 --> 2:03:03.360 basically trained all their pilots because they suddenly do how 2:03:03.400 --> 2:03:04.840 the Biggs worked, and that's that's the origin of the 2:03:04.880 --> 2:03:07.840 top Gun program. But then also hilariously that the Biggs 2:03:07.880 --> 2:03:10.360 got their revenge when when an Air Force general whose 2:03:10.440 --> 2:03:11.960 name is whose name is I am not making this up. 2:03:11.960 --> 2:03:14.960 His name is General Bond and he was like he's 2:03:15.000 --> 2:03:16.600 like shows up you want like I want to fly, 2:03:16.720 --> 2:03:19.640 I want to fly and make eighteen and they're like okay, buddy, 2:03:20.000 --> 2:03:21.480 And then he just flew into a mountain and died, 2:03:22.040 --> 2:03:27.879 which okay, well all right, we have turned my opinions. 2:03:30.520 --> 2:03:35.400 Yeah he was, which is like a really that is 2:03:35.440 --> 2:03:38.080 the fast, difficult to control plane. Just that rules, that 2:03:38.240 --> 2:03:42.280 rules so hard. I see, I was. You just completely 2:03:42.400 --> 2:03:46.240 changed my opinion of this man. That is that is 2:03:46.360 --> 2:03:50.240 the that is incredibly based. Unfortunately, there's a lot of 2:03:50.400 --> 2:03:53.440 other way more depressing plane crashes that happens here. And 2:03:54.200 --> 2:03:55.840 part of the reason it's bad is because you know 2:03:55.920 --> 2:03:57.520 this this whole thing is a black I have trouble 2:03:57.760 --> 2:04:01.840 imagine being depressed about anyone there die. Oh it's it's 2:04:01.960 --> 2:04:04.360 it's kind of so there there's a I don't really 2:04:04.400 --> 2:04:06.440 care as much about the people. But like so there's 2:04:06.840 --> 2:04:09.240 a bunch of like fourteen of the people who are 2:04:09.240 --> 2:04:11.880 flying you twos like die and they like they crashed 2:04:11.880 --> 2:04:15.360 into a mountain and one of that about and it's like, yeah, 2:04:15.400 --> 2:04:17.960 but but that sucks about it? Is it like like 2:04:18.320 --> 2:04:20.720 the U. S. Government lies to their families for like 2:04:20.800 --> 2:04:24.480 half a century about how they died. It's like this sucks, 2:04:24.920 --> 2:04:27.080 But then it gets even worse because again this is 2:04:27.160 --> 2:04:28.920 you know, this, this is the Black Project of like 2:04:29.000 --> 2:04:32.440 all black projects, and that means that they have a 2:04:32.480 --> 2:04:35.160 bunch of people from Operation paper Clip, because again this 2:04:35.320 --> 2:04:37.640 is a facility run by the CIA in the nineteen fifties, 2:04:38.640 --> 2:04:41.800 and so they let these literal not a bunch of 2:04:41.880 --> 2:04:44.880 literal Nazi Nazi doctors rut in durance test on potential 2:04:44.960 --> 2:04:49.120 YouTube pilots. Now, these doctors are Nazi concentration camp doctors 2:04:49.160 --> 2:04:52.120 who had performed horrific human experiments on people in the camps. 2:04:52.960 --> 2:04:56.320 So naturally when they do endurance test, they torture people. 2:04:56.400 --> 2:04:58.520 So they would do things like they would force pilots 2:04:58.560 --> 2:05:00.840 to like hold their arms under ice water for like 2:05:00.880 --> 2:05:02.560 it's on me long times. They would traft with the 2:05:02.640 --> 2:05:05.680 chairs just like randomly electrocute different parts of their body, 2:05:05.720 --> 2:05:08.160 and it was like it's it's a nightmare, Like it's yeah, 2:05:08.280 --> 2:05:09.520 you know, this is what happens when you give the 2:05:09.640 --> 2:05:13.080 Nazis free reign over completely secretesting facility where no one 2:05:13.120 --> 2:05:15.200 can even talk about what people did to them. It's 2:05:15.240 --> 2:05:18.440 it's great, it's great, it's it's this is this is 2:05:18.480 --> 2:05:20.960 why you don't have black projects because the Nazis wind 2:05:21.080 --> 2:05:25.040 up in charge of them and they torture people. Yeah, 2:05:25.080 --> 2:05:26.960 I think we're pretty we're pretty all on the same 2:05:27.000 --> 2:05:31.480 page of not having really in the project's bad. Now, 2:05:31.800 --> 2:05:34.360 the CIA has another problem, which is which is a 2:05:34.400 --> 2:05:36.960 much weirder and funnier problem, which that people keep seeing 2:05:37.000 --> 2:05:40.800 their spy planes. Yeah, and so part of this is 2:05:40.880 --> 2:05:43.800 the original you twos were silver, which means that they 2:05:43.880 --> 2:05:48.520 reflected the sun and the flaming cross. Yeah, because first two, 2:05:50.040 --> 2:05:54.040 because they not that all Matt black yea like a 2:05:54.280 --> 2:05:58.520 chromed a chrome. Doubt you too, what do th like? 2:05:59.120 --> 2:06:01.720 It looks like us incredible? Yeah, and it's but you know, 2:06:01.800 --> 2:06:03.520 like this this this is you know, this causes like 2:06:03.560 --> 2:06:05.560 a huge number of the UFO settings just people seeing 2:06:05.640 --> 2:06:07.360 this thing and and eventually they're like, wait, we have 2:06:07.440 --> 2:06:10.640 to make this black because like having a spy plane 2:06:10.760 --> 2:06:15.920 that glows in the sun. Yes, that idea now and 2:06:16.240 --> 2:06:18.360 worse yet, so you know, the you two can fly 2:06:18.520 --> 2:06:20.560 at like sixty five feet, which is its way outside 2:06:20.560 --> 2:06:23.360 the range of anti aircraft guns. It is ridiculously how 2:06:23.480 --> 2:06:25.960 hig how high that plane can go. But the CIA, 2:06:26.240 --> 2:06:28.880 in their eternal hubrists assumes that it's also too high 2:06:28.960 --> 2:06:32.360 for the Soviet radar to work, and so what happens 2:06:32.400 --> 2:06:34.880 instead is that they fly a YouTube directly over the 2:06:34.960 --> 2:06:37.800 Kremlin to like take pictures of Recruise Trevice sleeping, and 2:06:37.880 --> 2:06:41.680 the Soviets just immediately see it and they get really 2:06:41.720 --> 2:06:44.400 piste off because again, like there's no precedent for flying 2:06:44.440 --> 2:06:46.160 a spy plane over a country you're not at war with, 2:06:47.200 --> 2:06:49.240 and they're like, what the funk? Why are you flying planes? 2:06:49.240 --> 2:06:51.240 The problem is that they can't actually like shoot them 2:06:51.280 --> 2:06:52.680 down because the plane is too high up, so there's 2:06:52.920 --> 2:06:55.800 some they can just see it. Yeah, yeah, And but 2:06:56.080 --> 2:06:59.640 but the US is like, okay, this is not provocative enough, right, 2:06:59.680 --> 2:07:03.120 Like we've we've now flown we've now flown planes over 2:07:03.240 --> 2:07:06.080 the house of like a guy who can fire nuclear weapons. 2:07:06.680 --> 2:07:11.440 That's not that's incredibly funny. It is very funny. But 2:07:11.520 --> 2:07:16.720 they're like the So Curtis LeMay, who's all, anyway, we 2:07:16.960 --> 2:07:20.840 don't need to actions in front of Russian embassies, continues, 2:07:21.720 --> 2:07:25.920 So Lemmy is this guy, this guy is a threat 2:07:25.960 --> 2:07:28.440 to all humanity and he has this idea. Okay, he 2:07:28.480 --> 2:07:30.280 wants to figure out how the he want to figures 2:07:30.320 --> 2:07:34.240 out like how the the USR radar system works, and 2:07:34.360 --> 2:07:36.560 so his plan is he's going to get the USS 2:07:36.600 --> 2:07:39.040 are to trigger the radar system, and he's going to 2:07:39.120 --> 2:07:41.720 do this by flying a thousand B forty seven bombers 2:07:41.840 --> 2:07:44.040 over Alaska and fly them like right at Soviet air 2:07:44.080 --> 2:07:47.320 space and then turn around the moment before they get in. Guys, 2:07:47.480 --> 2:07:52.920 come on, there's other ways to do trolling, Like you 2:07:53.000 --> 2:07:55.280 don't need to Like, you don't need to risk the 2:07:55.440 --> 2:08:01.400 entire populations. Yeah, Garrison, see this is why you're not 2:08:01.760 --> 2:08:05.040 an A level troll. Level trolls know that if you're 2:08:05.120 --> 2:08:08.720 not risking the entire future of possibly all life in 2:08:08.800 --> 2:08:12.400 the known universe, then you're just there's other ways to 2:08:13.720 --> 2:08:18.520 make some friends. Makes makes some friends and troll your friends. 2:08:18.600 --> 2:08:21.800 It's not that hard. Come on, guys, troll the world 2:08:21.960 --> 2:08:25.960 by by playing chicken with its continued ability to any 2:08:26.320 --> 2:08:29.120 life above the microbial level, like the he has in 2:08:29.160 --> 2:08:30.960 credle about this. She was the only reason any of 2:08:31.040 --> 2:08:34.200 this works is that the Soviets, like in Soviets are 2:08:34.200 --> 2:08:36.120 not good. But the Soviets aren't who the Americans say 2:08:36.160 --> 2:08:38.840 they are, Like, you're not Like if if if the 2:08:38.960 --> 2:08:41.320 US had done this against the US, everyone on earth 2:08:41.360 --> 2:08:47.160 would have gone on the end of it. And and 2:08:47.680 --> 2:08:50.840 may like you can say, like wholmy. Someone asked him 2:08:50.840 --> 2:08:53.360 about this afterwards and his and she says, and I quote, 2:08:53.640 --> 2:08:55.720 with a little bit more luck, we could have started 2:08:55.760 --> 2:09:00.240 World War three. Oh man, this guy, this guy's a king. 2:09:00.360 --> 2:09:03.840 Like yeah, they are like that. They are all just 2:09:04.760 --> 2:09:06.600 like like this this is so bad that like the 2:09:06.720 --> 2:09:09.120 c i A. Sends a panel of like advisers to 2:09:09.200 --> 2:09:11.800 the President telling him that, like, you can't do this 2:09:11.920 --> 2:09:14.000 again because the Soviets will think it's an actual attack. 2:09:15.120 --> 2:09:18.320 When is calling you out, then yeah, I think it's 2:09:18.400 --> 2:09:21.680 time to it's time to wrap up shop. Think we're done. 2:09:22.480 --> 2:09:24.680 And the thing is like this is not the like 2:09:24.760 --> 2:09:28.240 the only just absolutely psychotic thing going on in this period, 2:09:28.680 --> 2:09:33.880 like a round are one. So in seven, the US 2:09:33.960 --> 2:09:37.400 test the first dirty bomb and they really don't know 2:09:37.560 --> 2:09:39.560 what this thing is gonna do. And it's like this 2:09:39.600 --> 2:09:41.879 is extremely danious or detonating a bomb it spiced putonium 2:09:41.880 --> 2:09:45.400 if youwhere, but just wait, uh, lest you think that 2:09:45.560 --> 2:09:48.800 detonating a dirty bomb was not dangerous enough. In they 2:09:48.880 --> 2:09:52.400 dropped something called the hood bomb, and this bomb, like 2:09:53.000 --> 2:09:55.040 the blast this. Okay, they drop this, brought this bomb 2:09:55.080 --> 2:09:59.480 in Nevada, right, the blast of this bomb blows out 2:09:59.520 --> 2:10:02.800 windows and l a people people see this is in 2:10:03.560 --> 2:10:08.680 people see the explosion in Canada. Great, they see in Mexico, 2:10:08.800 --> 2:10:11.000 like you can see it from eight hundred miles out 2:10:11.080 --> 2:10:13.840 to see. And the funniest part is that it temporarily 2:10:13.880 --> 2:10:16.200 renders Area fifty one uninhabitable and they forgot to tell 2:10:16.240 --> 2:10:19.000 the people and are if you want to evacuate, that 2:10:19.280 --> 2:10:26.680 is incredible. Everybody cancer incredibly Yeah, and then you know 2:10:27.080 --> 2:10:29.400 the people still want to work there and so they 2:10:29.600 --> 2:10:32.520 but this is like before they have hasmat suits. So 2:10:32.720 --> 2:10:34.920 they send a bunch of people in lab coats with 2:10:35.080 --> 2:10:38.040 like magnets to go collect radioactive bomb fragments so people 2:10:38.080 --> 2:10:43.560 can bring Great, that's extremely fun, just killing all of 2:10:43.720 --> 2:10:47.080 their I have no yeah, I have no problems with this. Yeah, 2:10:47.200 --> 2:10:49.800 this is fine. This is completely fine. We have had 2:10:49.840 --> 2:10:52.840 probably saved a lot of lives, honestly. Yeah. Well, the 2:10:52.880 --> 2:10:57.480 problem the problem is though they they like Area fifty 2:10:57.480 --> 2:11:00.440 one was allowed to resume and that like very nearly 2:11:00.520 --> 2:11:03.600 killed us all. Yeah, it's been like the more people 2:11:03.680 --> 2:11:05.640 that die there, if you want to get cancer, that 2:11:05.800 --> 2:11:09.280 probably odds are that contributes to it is it is 2:11:09.520 --> 2:11:11.680 It is slow death. I guess that's what everyone says 2:11:11.720 --> 2:11:17.360 about radiation poisoning. It happens too slowly. Yeah yeah, Now, okay, 2:11:17.400 --> 2:11:19.920 So every fifty ones you two's are like continuing to 2:11:20.000 --> 2:11:22.400 do flights and pissing off the Soviets. But unbeknown to 2:11:22.440 --> 2:11:25.640 the Americans, the Soviet anti air capacity was rapidly improving, 2:11:26.520 --> 2:11:29.920 and on Mayday nineteen sixty, the US pushes it too 2:11:30.000 --> 2:11:32.600 far and they send a pilot and Gary Powers to 2:11:32.640 --> 2:11:34.600 fly over the Soviet Union, and the Soviets just like 2:11:34.680 --> 2:11:37.000 shoot the shift out of him and this this is 2:11:37.000 --> 2:11:39.160 actually this really cute moment where like he crashes and 2:11:39.240 --> 2:11:41.720 he survived, and he's found by some radi Soviet farmer, 2:11:42.080 --> 2:11:44.680 and the Soviet farmer just like it's like, oh hey cool, 2:11:44.840 --> 2:11:46.560 just like gives them a cigarette with Lucky of the 2:11:46.600 --> 2:11:49.160 Space Dog on it, and they have this very nice 2:11:49.240 --> 2:11:52.640 moment where they smoke a cigarette together, and then Powers 2:11:52.720 --> 2:11:54.720 gets arrested by the Soviet government and put on show 2:11:54.840 --> 2:11:58.040 for espionage. Now the interesting part about this is that 2:11:58.280 --> 2:12:00.960 so the US assumes that Powers is dead because when 2:12:00.960 --> 2:12:03.240 they designed the you tube, the Cia was like, oh, yeah, 2:12:03.280 --> 2:12:06.640 if this they didn't tell the pilots, everyone will die. 2:12:06.920 --> 2:12:09.320 You are done. Yeah yeah. It's like but but you know, 2:12:09.480 --> 2:12:12.040 Powers lives through it, and so they they they the 2:12:12.160 --> 2:12:15.160 US is like claiming on life television that Powers was like, oh, 2:12:15.320 --> 2:12:17.320 this wasn't the spy plane. He was collecting high altitude 2:12:17.360 --> 2:12:21.920 weather data for the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics. This 2:12:22.080 --> 2:12:24.960 lets Kristiev has like his finest hour here is like 2:12:25.120 --> 2:12:28.680 incredible theatrical moment. He gives this incredible speech that's like 2:12:29.240 --> 2:12:31.280 he's he's like he's like asking like comrades, like what 2:12:31.400 --> 2:12:33.800 what would happen if Soviet planes flew over Detroit? An 2:12:33.800 --> 2:12:36.240 immediate war? And he goes on this thing about how 2:12:36.640 --> 2:12:38.840 he's accusing, like he's like, okay, so who who said 2:12:38.880 --> 2:12:40.280 the spy plane? And he's like, well, it couldn't be 2:12:40.280 --> 2:12:42.440 the American people. It must have been the American militarist 2:12:42.560 --> 2:12:45.839 running this spiplane program without the knowledge of the commander 2:12:45.880 --> 2:12:48.560 in chief. And so the US like keeps denying it, 2:12:49.160 --> 2:12:51.560 and then Christief a couple days later gainst this another 2:12:51.680 --> 2:12:54.240 incredible line. I'm gonna quote from this speech because it 2:12:54.400 --> 2:12:57.280 rules comrades. He said, I must let you win on 2:12:57.360 --> 2:12:59.440 a secret. When I made a report two days ago, 2:12:59.520 --> 2:13:02.000 I delivered refrained from mentioning that we have the remains 2:13:02.040 --> 2:13:04.480 of the plane and we also have the pilot who 2:13:04.560 --> 2:13:07.840 was quite alive and kicking, and the US just like 2:13:07.960 --> 2:13:12.000 it gets owned because safe. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure 2:13:12.040 --> 2:13:15.120 this state is I'm sure this state isn't thrilled. Oh yeah, 2:13:15.200 --> 2:13:17.120 it's it's like, it's an enormous embarrassment for this and 2:13:17.200 --> 2:13:19.080 this this is this is a couple of other great lines. So, 2:13:19.160 --> 2:13:21.400 so Gary Powers gets tried for espionage, and there's there's 2:13:21.400 --> 2:13:24.880 this incredible line this trial where Sergey Rodenko, who is 2:13:24.920 --> 2:13:27.240 this he's an Air Force general and he's also part 2:13:27.280 --> 2:13:30.320 of the trial, and he calls area fifty one quote 2:13:30.400 --> 2:13:35.680 a criminal conspiracy between quote a major American capitalist company 2:13:35.720 --> 2:13:38.720 and espionage and reconnaissance center and the military of the US. 2:13:39.080 --> 2:13:45.880 And this because this is this is literally what um 2:13:46.200 --> 2:13:48.160 you know, but but this is where everything goes to 2:13:48.200 --> 2:13:51.000 ship because there was supposed to be a massive like 2:13:51.160 --> 2:13:54.960 US USSR Pace summit to like look at the nuclearization 2:13:55.480 --> 2:13:59.320 uh huh yeah yeah, and so and and Kristef is like, okay, Eisenhower, 2:13:59.400 --> 2:14:02.000 you un need to apologize for flying spy planes over 2:14:02.080 --> 2:14:06.520 our country. And Eisenhower is like no, and this this, yeah, 2:14:06.600 --> 2:14:08.880 the conference is canceled and the world has plunged into 2:14:08.920 --> 2:14:12.760 mortal peril that will only barely survive. And but barely, 2:14:12.840 --> 2:14:16.480 I mean it's oh yeah, we got extremely lucky. Um 2:14:16.880 --> 2:14:18.840 all all of this basically causes cruise shift to like 2:14:18.880 --> 2:14:21.880 start the military build up in Cuba. And you know, 2:14:21.960 --> 2:14:23.800 you can see where this is going. But but don't 2:14:23.880 --> 2:14:26.920 worry less less you think that Area fifty one is 2:14:27.000 --> 2:14:29.760 only indirectly responsible for this. They are in fact directly 2:14:29.800 --> 2:14:34.840 responsible for the Cuban missile crisis. You know, they they 2:14:35.040 --> 2:14:37.400 they Air fifty one does they did? They do a 2:14:37.480 --> 2:14:39.800 bunch of other stuff that like funk with the Cubans 2:14:39.840 --> 2:14:41.080 that they have this thing with it. They send in 2:14:41.200 --> 2:14:43.880 pilots like right up the right up to to Cuban 2:14:43.920 --> 2:14:46.360 airspace and like have them basically trade missile locks with 2:14:46.440 --> 2:14:48.920 Soviet pilots so that they can test the Soviets like 2:14:49.320 --> 2:14:52.520 electronic weapons capacity. And it's like again, once again, we 2:14:52.640 --> 2:14:54.920 only didn't die because the Soviets didn't shoot after the 2:14:55.000 --> 2:14:58.720 U S did some like just absolutely we would have 2:14:58.840 --> 2:15:04.080 absolutely them people have done. Yeah, if if a MiG 2:15:04.200 --> 2:15:07.760 had buzzed like Washington, d C, we would have ended 2:15:07.800 --> 2:15:12.080 all humanity. Yeah, we share would have they fucking knew that. God? 2:15:12.160 --> 2:15:15.120 That has to be so frustrating. Yeah, Like not a 2:15:15.200 --> 2:15:16.960 lot of sympathy for the U S s R in 2:15:17.040 --> 2:15:20.120 my book, but just being like, well, this is unacceptable. 2:15:20.160 --> 2:15:23.000 But if we do literally just what they're doing to us, 2:15:24.480 --> 2:15:26.800 so I guess we have to be chills here. It's 2:15:26.920 --> 2:15:31.000 like yeah, well, and speaking of doing things, there's also 2:15:31.080 --> 2:15:34.280 there's also an incredible Bay of Pigs connection, which is 2:15:34.320 --> 2:15:38.000 that Richard Bassell, who's the guy who did Bay of Pigs, 2:15:38.080 --> 2:15:41.320 was the guy who read one. And one of the 2:15:41.360 --> 2:15:44.440 reasons why it fails is that so remember I talked 2:15:44.440 --> 2:15:47.800 about how the CIA piste off Curtis LeMay by not 2:15:47.880 --> 2:15:51.840 telling him about every one. So, uh, the May is 2:15:51.840 --> 2:15:53.680 supposed to send a bunch of B fifty two bombers 2:15:53.720 --> 2:15:55.360 to support the Bay of Pigs and he doesn't do it. 2:15:55.920 --> 2:15:58.200 And this defense is that he sucked like He's defense 2:15:58.280 --> 2:16:02.160 is that he sucked up the time zones, which I've missed. Hey, 2:16:02.280 --> 2:16:06.400 we've all missed meetings because of that I'm late all 2:16:06.440 --> 2:16:09.400 the time because at time zones. It's that that you 2:16:09.480 --> 2:16:14.240 know what, Curtis Lamy did nothing wrong. Yeah, it's amazing. 2:16:14.440 --> 2:16:17.200 And this this causes the cell, but yeah it doesn't 2:16:17.240 --> 2:16:20.680 work because it's a cluster fuck and this you know this, 2:16:20.840 --> 2:16:22.400 this causes the cell to get kicked out of the 2:16:22.400 --> 2:16:25.400 security establishment. But it it doesn't stop the U S 2:16:25.480 --> 2:16:30.760 fucking with Cuba. We still haven't stopped fighting. Yeah, we're 2:16:30.840 --> 2:16:33.160 like never going to It's it's incredible. And and but 2:16:33.400 --> 2:16:35.080 because this is the time that came closest to killing 2:16:35.200 --> 2:16:38.040 us all, which is that well, Chris, you know what 2:16:38.160 --> 2:16:41.879 will also eventually kill us all products and services. Yeah 2:16:42.840 --> 2:16:45.680 that's not even a joke, that's just true. Yeah, all 2:16:45.760 --> 2:16:48.920 of these things that is being sold for fake money. 2:16:49.600 --> 2:16:53.160 So yep, by products. And this is when Garrison goes 2:16:53.200 --> 2:16:59.039 on a rant about Fiat currency. We're back and we're 2:16:59.080 --> 2:17:02.039 talking about the the Fiat, which is certainly a car. 2:17:02.680 --> 2:17:05.280 I lost all I lost I lost with all the Fiat. 2:17:05.320 --> 2:17:08.240 Please everyone everyone sent me, send me what you can. 2:17:08.320 --> 2:17:10.520 I'll reinvest and give you back your money in a 2:17:10.600 --> 2:17:14.600 few days. You're gonna buy one of those fucking one 2:17:14.680 --> 2:17:17.320 of those eight bit illustration and f T s that 2:17:17.400 --> 2:17:21.240 costs two million dollars, aren't you Garrison? Oh you bet see? 2:17:23.120 --> 2:17:25.640 I heard, I heard now that they're making physical copies. 2:17:25.680 --> 2:17:28.600 This is a brand new phenomenon, making physical versions of 2:17:28.680 --> 2:17:31.880 an n f T so you can actually like have something. Yeah, 2:17:31.959 --> 2:17:36.560 it's basic, there is there's nothing else like this. It's 2:17:36.600 --> 2:17:39.240 like art, but you actually can have it. It's the 2:17:39.280 --> 2:17:45.240 first time. It's really Robert. You guys, you can't. You 2:17:45.360 --> 2:17:48.040 can't tell the public how are how how how how 2:17:48.440 --> 2:17:50.800 we funnel all of our money around for our black projects. 2:17:51.000 --> 2:17:53.600 You're not allowed to explain our money laundering schemes on air? 2:17:55.000 --> 2:17:57.240 You know. One one surprising thing about all of this, 2:17:57.480 --> 2:18:01.080 like Air one stuff is honestly the degree to which 2:18:01.720 --> 2:18:06.879 the government does not deflect stuff by using alien ship 2:18:07.000 --> 2:18:10.320 more often, because if they were smart, they could just 2:18:10.440 --> 2:18:14.440 use alien ship more often to deflect any suspicion about 2:18:14.440 --> 2:18:18.200 what's actually happening. So they I don't know, they go 2:18:18.320 --> 2:18:19.760 back and so so part of what's going so they 2:18:19.800 --> 2:18:21.480 go back and forth on this, and part of what's 2:18:21.480 --> 2:18:25.200 going on is the CIA when when when people start 2:18:25.200 --> 2:18:28.360 first reporting UFOs like they have to like concerns. One 2:18:28.400 --> 2:18:29.760 of which is that it's just going to cause panic 2:18:29.840 --> 2:18:31.400 in the US public and they don't want that they're 2:18:31.440 --> 2:18:33.280 doing this sort of like elite panic thing, and they're 2:18:33.280 --> 2:18:36.080 afraid they're once they will go insane or whatever. But 2:18:36.879 --> 2:18:39.200 the second thing that they're worried about is that they're 2:18:39.240 --> 2:18:44.360 really concerned that the Soviet Union is going to block 2:18:44.400 --> 2:18:46.199 out the U s IS early warning system by sending 2:18:46.200 --> 2:18:49.320 a bunch of a QFO reports, which would be very Funnyeah, 2:18:49.320 --> 2:18:51.480 it would be very funny, but you know, but so 2:18:51.560 --> 2:18:54.280 so they their initial line on UFOs is like they're 2:18:54.360 --> 2:18:55.680 they try, They spent a lot of time trying to 2:18:55.680 --> 2:18:58.880 get everyone to like not believe in them, because they're like, 2:18:59.000 --> 2:19:00.640 this is this is treading a sterea and it's like 2:19:00.720 --> 2:19:03.760 damaging our early warning capacity because people keep reporting, and 2:19:03.760 --> 2:19:05.880 also because people just keep seeing their spy planes and 2:19:05.959 --> 2:19:09.680 so they're just like, guys, there's no UFOs. Yeah, well, 2:19:09.879 --> 2:19:12.119 we'll get to in a little bit of some more 2:19:12.200 --> 2:19:15.199 about that, because there's a lot of very weird stuff 2:19:15.480 --> 2:19:17.880 going on there. But first we have to almost end 2:19:17.920 --> 2:19:20.680 the world. All right, Let's let's just do that at first, 2:19:20.720 --> 2:19:26.440 and then in six two the CIA flies, It flies 2:19:26.480 --> 2:19:30.240 a YouTube over over Cuba and they get a bunch 2:19:30.240 --> 2:19:34.960 of pictures of nuclear weapons and this this is basically 2:19:34.959 --> 2:19:36.760 the thing that starts to cube At missile crisis. Although 2:19:37.080 --> 2:19:38.960 I also I also we need to talk about LeMay 2:19:39.040 --> 2:19:41.040 one more time because before they get these pictures, Lemy 2:19:41.160 --> 2:19:44.960 is convinced there's there's no nukes there. And LeMay wants 2:19:45.000 --> 2:19:46.920 to do a preactive strike on Cuba to stop the 2:19:46.959 --> 2:19:49.680 Soviets and bring missiles in, which again literally would have 2:19:49.800 --> 2:19:53.800 killed us. All yeah, yeah, but but let's let make 2:19:53.879 --> 2:19:56.360 us voted down. So the CIA, you know, sends the 2:19:56.400 --> 2:19:58.520 youtubes in and this this is the thing that starts 2:19:58.560 --> 2:20:01.640 to the starts to Cuban missile crisis, and you have 2:20:01.680 --> 2:20:04.760 the Soviets and Americans like staring each other down at sea. 2:20:05.560 --> 2:20:08.120 And but again because these people are just like like 2:20:08.200 --> 2:20:09.600 because there are if you do want people to see 2:20:09.600 --> 2:20:13.280 how people are just nuts, they keep sending UFOs and 2:20:13.480 --> 2:20:16.680 if they keep sending you twos over Cuba, and they 2:20:16.879 --> 2:20:20.000 they're sending youtubes over Cuba, and and the Americans like 2:20:20.240 --> 2:20:22.480 lyne on the you Tuesday sendever is if they shoot 2:20:22.520 --> 2:20:25.400 down a YouTube, we're going to invade. And so the 2:20:25.440 --> 2:20:28.080 Soviets actually do shoot shoot down a YouTube. But for 2:20:28.240 --> 2:20:31.920 like the only time ever in history, uh, the US 2:20:32.040 --> 2:20:34.560 is like, wait, maybe we shouldn't end all like literally 2:20:34.680 --> 2:20:38.440 end all humanity, and like we we got this because 2:20:38.480 --> 2:20:43.440 this moment, we're just like, you know, you get to 2:20:43.560 --> 2:20:45.960 actually so you have all the like just horrific leadership 2:20:45.959 --> 2:20:47.720 stuff that has got you here, but you get a 2:20:47.800 --> 2:20:50.920 moment where like the soul of humanity is tested in 2:20:51.000 --> 2:20:52.880 like a very small number of people, and it's like 2:20:53.360 --> 2:20:56.040 if any one of these people on either side flinches 2:20:56.360 --> 2:20:58.160 or like decides that they want to end all life 2:20:58.200 --> 2:21:00.920 on earth, everyone is going to die. And for one 2:21:00.959 --> 2:21:02.520 of like this is you know, this is like this 2:21:02.600 --> 2:21:05.240 is like one of the only times ever that it 2:21:05.320 --> 2:21:07.640 has actually mattered that we're not all just like terrible 2:21:07.680 --> 2:21:09.240 pieces of ship. And we didn't do it, and we 2:21:09.280 --> 2:21:13.920 didn't end all humanity, and eventually the whole, the whole 2:21:13.920 --> 2:21:18.560 thing is wound down. Alternatively, the people in charge realized 2:21:18.600 --> 2:21:21.000 that if they were doing this, they could no longer 2:21:21.160 --> 2:21:23.120 do whatever fun stuff they didn't their spare time. And 2:21:23.160 --> 2:21:25.600 it's only for selfish reason. Oh yeah, I mean, because yeah, 2:21:26.080 --> 2:21:29.120 the lead let me say, it's like the leaders get 2:21:29.280 --> 2:21:32.039 no credit here at all. The people who do get 2:21:32.080 --> 2:21:34.760 credit are just like the random assholes on a ship 2:21:35.160 --> 2:21:37.240 who like got sent over to the other side of 2:21:37.280 --> 2:21:40.280 the world and had to just like sit there knowing 2:21:40.320 --> 2:21:42.200 that they could be destroyed in any moments and then 2:21:42.480 --> 2:21:46.680 didn't panic and like held and kept kept everyone on 2:21:46.760 --> 2:21:50.560 Earth from dying by just not just like holding it 2:21:50.680 --> 2:21:53.000 together in a situation that would have just like destroyed 2:21:53.240 --> 2:21:57.240 most people. So so good good on, good on like 2:21:57.440 --> 2:22:02.160 the cruise of the ships for not killing us all. Yeah, yeah, 2:22:03.160 --> 2:22:07.000 depending on how I feel now. Part part part of 2:22:07.040 --> 2:22:10.760 what's happening here is is the you tu is getting 2:22:10.760 --> 2:22:14.320 shot down. It makes the area fifty one people go, 2:22:14.360 --> 2:22:17.280 we need to build a faster plane. Sure, And so 2:22:17.400 --> 2:22:19.879 there's their solution to this is the A twelve ox cart. 2:22:20.760 --> 2:22:25.280 And the l oxcar is interesting because this is another 2:22:25.440 --> 2:22:27.840 thing that everyone thinks is the UFO but actually isn't. 2:22:28.440 --> 2:22:30.040 And I mean there's a very famous UFO picture of 2:22:30.160 --> 2:22:33.080 like one of NASA's like X fifteen rocket jets, and 2:22:33.320 --> 2:22:35.160 in the very like in the very corner of this 2:22:35.360 --> 2:22:37.200 rocket picture of the rocket jet, there's there's an A 2:22:37.320 --> 2:22:41.480 twelve and everyone is like, oh, this is UFO. Is 2:22:41.520 --> 2:22:43.120 the UFON is like, no, it's not, it's this. But 2:22:44.120 --> 2:22:47.680 you know, the CIA keeps doing these like halfass cover ups, 2:22:47.680 --> 2:22:49.320 but like like you can just see these out of 2:22:49.360 --> 2:22:50.960 passenger planes, like if you're in a plane, you just 2:22:50.959 --> 2:22:52.160 see it. It's like, oh, this thing looks like a 2:22:52.200 --> 2:22:56.320 cigar's flute past and they they do looking they do 2:22:56.400 --> 2:22:59.880 look incredibly weird. Yeah, and it just doesn't work. And eventually, 2:23:00.120 --> 2:23:04.080 in the mid sixties, Walter Cronkite like goes on TV 2:23:04.280 --> 2:23:06.120 and tells the American public at the CIA have been 2:23:06.160 --> 2:23:10.879 doing a UFO cover up, which is true, but everyone 2:23:10.920 --> 2:23:13.160 assumes this is about aliens. But it's not about aliens. 2:23:13.240 --> 2:23:14.680 Nothing you with aliens. It has everything to do with 2:23:14.720 --> 2:23:17.240 the fact that people keep seeing this biplanes. And so 2:23:17.800 --> 2:23:19.840 the Air Force gets put in charge of an investigation 2:23:19.920 --> 2:23:22.720 of UFOs. But the problem is that only a few 2:23:22.840 --> 2:23:25.720 top Air Force generals know about the A twelve. Yeah, 2:23:25.720 --> 2:23:27.480 they only a few people know what the existence of 2:23:27.560 --> 2:23:30.360 this aircraft. Yeah yeah, And so the low level investigators 2:23:30.640 --> 2:23:32.280 are like, oh, the Air Force is doing a uh 2:23:32.400 --> 2:23:34.280 cover up, which they are, but they assume that it's 2:23:34.280 --> 2:23:36.200 about aliens. And so a bunch of these people like 2:23:36.280 --> 2:23:40.000 turned into aliens like UFO conspiracy theorists, and yeah, because 2:23:40.040 --> 2:23:41.920 this is you know, and we're getting to see this 2:23:42.040 --> 2:23:45.160 the the US basically through it sort of like the 2:23:45.200 --> 2:23:48.240 secrecy on these programs, it just it keeps creating UFO conspiracies. 2:23:49.560 --> 2:23:51.920 And yeah, there there's some Okay, there's some question as 2:23:51.959 --> 2:23:55.160 to how to liberally they're doing this. Um So, the 2:23:55.200 --> 2:23:58.520 head of the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena, which 2:23:58.560 --> 2:24:00.520 is like the uf U s IS UFO Study Group 2:24:01.360 --> 2:24:04.760 in nine is taken over by Joseph Bran the Third, who, 2:24:05.520 --> 2:24:07.960 Joseph Brian the Third was the CIA's first chief of 2:24:07.959 --> 2:24:11.480 Political and Psychological Warfare. He seems like a solid dude 2:24:11.520 --> 2:24:15.360 to hang out with. Yeah, so I have no idea 2:24:15.440 --> 2:24:21.080 what that means does And there's there's some reports that 2:24:21.200 --> 2:24:23.360 there have been a couple of like books and documentaries 2:24:23.360 --> 2:24:24.840 and a lot and in the last like ten years 2:24:24.920 --> 2:24:29.440 that have repared that. Yes, but it basically reported that 2:24:29.600 --> 2:24:32.640 that people in the CIA deliberately fed like fake UFO 2:24:32.720 --> 2:24:34.879 information to people to cause people to like go even 2:24:34.959 --> 2:24:39.480 deeper into their conspiracy. Absolutely believe, Yeah, I would. I 2:24:39.520 --> 2:24:41.360 will say this, Okay, so, like this is the kind 2:24:41.400 --> 2:24:45.200 of thing the CIA would do, but the people who 2:24:45.280 --> 2:24:48.720 are giving the evidence are sketchy, and I mean, of course, yeah, 2:24:48.800 --> 2:24:50.800 like that that is yeah, that is kind of how 2:24:51.000 --> 2:24:52.840 that mean they probably feed it to a lot of people, 2:24:52.840 --> 2:24:54.760 and the people who talk about it, well, I mean 2:24:54.879 --> 2:24:56.720 so that the people were testifying a bet are people 2:24:56.760 --> 2:24:59.800 who allegedly did it, Yeah, which is interesting. But but 2:25:00.040 --> 2:25:01.760 the thing that well, the probably is weird about those 2:25:01.760 --> 2:25:04.240 people also just sort of they're like, oh, I spread 2:25:04.280 --> 2:25:07.000 this conspiracy, but like they they also want to get 2:25:07.000 --> 2:25:10.320 into the UFO scene. And so the question it's it's 2:25:10.400 --> 2:25:13.440 weird and it's a lot of weird conflicting interests going on. 2:25:13.760 --> 2:25:15.000 And this is this is one of the problems with 2:25:15.040 --> 2:25:18.000 the CIA, which is that like, okay, so there's there's 2:25:18.000 --> 2:25:19.560 there's a couple of there's like some important things you 2:25:19.560 --> 2:25:22.000 need to understand about the CIA. They're bad. You don't 2:25:22.040 --> 2:25:24.400 need conspiracy theories for that. They're just they're bad. They 2:25:24.480 --> 2:25:27.560 do a lot of bad things. Um, the CIA having 2:25:27.720 --> 2:25:30.480 done something is not in and of itself proof that 2:25:30.520 --> 2:25:33.120 they did another thing. So for example, like you can 2:25:33.120 --> 2:25:34.520 say that you like you know, you says think like 2:25:34.560 --> 2:25:36.640 the CIA is a mood base, right, and someone asked 2:25:36.640 --> 2:25:37.840 you for evidence that you can go, oh, well, they 2:25:37.879 --> 2:25:39.760 did Operation paper Clip and they're involved in development of 2:25:39.840 --> 2:25:43.720 rocket technology. But just because the CIA did Operation paper 2:25:43.760 --> 2:25:45.080 Clip and had rockets does not mean they have a 2:25:45.120 --> 2:25:47.640 moon base, right, Like this is this is this is 2:25:47.680 --> 2:25:49.480 something this something happens all the time when people talk 2:25:49.480 --> 2:25:55.240 about the CIA falling into Yeah, yeah, you cannot. You 2:25:55.400 --> 2:25:58.680 cannot use something that the CIA has done as direct 2:25:58.720 --> 2:26:00.879 evidence they did something else less there's a direct time 2:26:00.879 --> 2:26:03.800 between unless unless you have evidence that the other thing happened. 2:26:04.440 --> 2:26:07.440 There's other people who suck yeah yeah, And if the 2:26:07.480 --> 2:26:09.880 everything is, they're not omnipotence. And then this is what 2:26:09.959 --> 2:26:11.720 the example I always bring up because it's really funny. 2:26:12.120 --> 2:26:15.640 So the c i A just completely missed two two 2:26:15.760 --> 2:26:18.680 different Indian nuclear weapons tests like across two decades, Like 2:26:18.959 --> 2:26:21.160 not only did they not realize that that they were 2:26:21.200 --> 2:26:22.960 testing me happening soon like they didn't even know that 2:26:23.080 --> 2:26:26.680 India was doing tests at all. And then they yeah, 2:26:26.760 --> 2:26:28.119 so these news would go off and they would learn 2:26:28.120 --> 2:26:30.560 that the India was doing tests when Indiana of renounced 2:26:30.600 --> 2:26:33.280 on TV. So like they're they're not actually omnipotent. I think, 2:26:33.320 --> 2:26:35.880 I think what is this interesting. I'm not sure if 2:26:35.879 --> 2:26:36.920 you're in a type I'm not sure if you can 2:26:36.959 --> 2:26:39.120 bring this up shortly, but like this sort of thing 2:26:39.280 --> 2:26:41.920 is definitely is still happening in terms of like like 2:26:42.040 --> 2:26:44.760 air force pilots seeing weird stuff in this guy and 2:26:44.840 --> 2:26:46.240 then going to talk about it be like you know, 2:26:46.320 --> 2:26:49.160 it's just like this is some other aircraft. Usually it's 2:26:49.200 --> 2:26:51.600 it's usually usually we're able to actually like prove what 2:26:51.720 --> 2:26:55.200 these things are. Um, but like you know, military or 2:26:55.560 --> 2:26:57.640 people see stuff, they talk talk about the news, and 2:26:57.680 --> 2:26:59.520 the time, it was always weird. It's always been like 2:26:59.680 --> 2:27:03.280 some other like like civil arrest is happening when like 2:27:03.680 --> 2:27:05.920 we get some weird piece of information about UFL is 2:27:06.080 --> 2:27:09.080 like oh really, what a coincidence? And it's it's it's 2:27:09.080 --> 2:27:11.240 an interesting thing to be though, because like there's this 2:27:11.360 --> 2:27:14.000 kind of like weird interplace because like a lot of 2:27:14.120 --> 2:27:17.520 like like like senators and presidents like actually believe that 2:27:17.560 --> 2:27:20.840 there's UFOs and and this is like I mean the 2:27:20.879 --> 2:27:24.400 weird things, but like the different do you mean like 2:27:24.520 --> 2:27:26.800 UFOs are do mean like aliens? Well, like like aliens 2:27:26.840 --> 2:27:28.360 like this like that there are there are a lot 2:27:28.400 --> 2:27:30.039 of people in the government who do believe in aliens, 2:27:30.120 --> 2:27:31.920 and and and it's it's this weird tension because and 2:27:31.959 --> 2:27:34.320 a lot like everything is like like I don't know, 2:27:34.600 --> 2:27:37.000 Like Harry Read for example, was a big alien dude, right, 2:27:37.080 --> 2:27:39.720 but Harry Reid, like, I mean, I know he's very 2:27:39.760 --> 2:27:42.440 powerful in Nevadas, like maybe he knew, but like Harry 2:27:42.520 --> 2:27:45.720 Reid is not someone who knows what's happening in these 2:27:45.720 --> 2:27:49.320 black projects because they don't tell. They don't tell Congress, right, 2:27:49.640 --> 2:27:51.760 I mean he he might know because of how powerfully is, 2:27:51.800 --> 2:27:54.280 but like again, it's up in the even even the 2:27:54.320 --> 2:27:56.720 people who are supposed to be in charge, I don't 2:27:56.800 --> 2:27:58.520 know what's actually happening. And that means they fall for 2:27:58.600 --> 2:28:01.120 conspiracy theories because yeah, they felt conspiracy theories. And at 2:28:01.160 --> 2:28:02.680 this point, it's more of a it's more of a 2:28:02.760 --> 2:28:05.160 fandom than anything else. It's really easy to get sucked 2:28:05.200 --> 2:28:08.640 into a fandom. Like so I can't I mean, I 2:28:08.760 --> 2:28:13.000 don't trust any Congressman on any level specifically around this issue, 2:28:13.440 --> 2:28:15.640 because this is solely a fandom issue. It It's like 2:28:15.800 --> 2:28:19.040 it's like it's like taking their opinion on like religion. 2:28:19.120 --> 2:28:22.279 It's like I care zero amount because it's only a fandom, 2:28:23.040 --> 2:28:24.520 and I think I think that the thing that is 2:28:24.600 --> 2:28:26.840 very dangerous about this stough is that again, Area fifty 2:28:26.879 --> 2:28:30.640 one is like the existence of Area fifty one is 2:28:30.680 --> 2:28:32.520 like an atrocity to anyone who thinks you live in 2:28:32.560 --> 2:28:36.160 a democracy. They have almost killed us, like multiple multiple times, 2:28:36.760 --> 2:28:38.680 and everyone is like, oh, it's the Aliens. Was like, nope, 2:28:39.600 --> 2:28:43.600 they they literally almost ended life on Earth like four times, 2:28:44.520 --> 2:28:46.080 and and yeah, you know what we're gonna get into 2:28:46.120 --> 2:28:48.440 they they you know, will get into the other horrible 2:28:48.480 --> 2:28:49.760 stuff they do at a second. But I do want 2:28:49.800 --> 2:28:53.560 to talk about the one cool thing they did, because okay, 2:28:53.760 --> 2:28:56.600 they did one thing that was incredibly awesome. That was 2:28:56.640 --> 2:28:58.520 the greatest thing the American Empires ever produced, which is 2:28:58.520 --> 2:29:01.760 they made the SR seventy one. The SR seventy one 2:29:02.120 --> 2:29:05.400 is fucking sick. This is this is the coolest airplane anyone. 2:29:05.440 --> 2:29:07.240 It's like, just like, go google a picture of it. 2:29:07.520 --> 2:29:10.360 It looks so cool. It could hit it could hit 2:29:10.480 --> 2:29:13.560 Mock three point four. Like it's just fast. It's faster 2:29:13.720 --> 2:29:16.240 than bullets. Uh it is. It doesn't any weapons on it, 2:29:16.280 --> 2:29:18.640 and it's it's it's defense strategy, so missile is to 2:29:18.760 --> 2:29:28.000 outrun the missile. Yeah, it's what's the man It does 2:29:28.120 --> 2:29:31.360 look just like the X Wing and it does look 2:29:31.440 --> 2:29:34.280 just like the X Men's Yeah, well yeah, it's specifically 2:29:34.440 --> 2:29:39.039 there modified. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's shiitest thing ever. 2:29:39.200 --> 2:29:41.840 And it's like from that was like that was the 2:29:42.000 --> 2:29:45.040 pinnacle of the American empires when they made this, this 2:29:45.280 --> 2:29:48.440 one just absolutely incredible machine, and then they used to 2:29:48.560 --> 2:29:51.760 do war crimes in Vietnam and then they were like, oh, 2:29:51.879 --> 2:29:54.800 it's too expensive. Dick Cheney, who is a demon in 2:29:54.959 --> 2:29:57.160 human form who will one day returned to the Hell 2:29:57.280 --> 2:29:59.600 that spawned him and spend the rest of his days 2:29:59.640 --> 2:30:03.440 between an apport by Satan, has the program killed because 2:30:03.440 --> 2:30:05.280 he wants to make B two bombers, and he's like, oh, 2:30:05.520 --> 2:30:07.760 we've got to be able to drop nukes from weird 2:30:07.840 --> 2:30:10.280 triangle planes. We can't run the coolest plane of all 2:30:10.360 --> 2:30:14.400 time ever anymore. So he kills it, and it's depressing 2:30:14.560 --> 2:30:17.760 and it's it's everything is bad now, and he will 2:30:17.920 --> 2:30:21.480 rotten Hell eternally for of his many crimes. Killing the 2:30:21.560 --> 2:30:23.600 SR seventy one. The only good thing the Americans ever did. 2:30:24.240 --> 2:30:26.280 He should have This is the only thing we should 2:30:26.280 --> 2:30:28.200 have ever spent money on us a kind yeah, but 2:30:28.320 --> 2:30:31.160 if look if the roads just a network of SR 2:30:31.280 --> 2:30:35.720 seventy it was that was almost three d million dollars 2:30:35.760 --> 2:30:39.200 in today's money for one. Yeah. Sure, but like is 2:30:39.280 --> 2:30:42.440 like just like a trillion dollar Look at how much 2:30:42.560 --> 2:30:45.960 worse that plane looks than the SR seventy one. Like 2:30:46.440 --> 2:30:50.480 if I success flying around in FT, they're so wet, 2:30:50.600 --> 2:30:57.160 they're so bad because Professor Xavier has has fucking style unfortunately. 2:30:57.240 --> 2:31:01.160 So there's the other things they're building there are horrifying. Um. 2:31:01.480 --> 2:31:03.959 One of the most important ones that I think people 2:31:04.120 --> 2:31:06.720 have sort of like forgotten the real impact of is 2:31:07.000 --> 2:31:10.200 is that the F one sevent Night Hawk and so 2:31:10.400 --> 2:31:13.040 so uh Eric fifty one is basically where American steuth 2:31:13.040 --> 2:31:16.000 technology is developed, which really does on the conspiracy. But 2:31:16.120 --> 2:31:17.480 like no, this is actually like yeah, this, this is 2:31:17.560 --> 2:31:19.600 this is what they're doing. They're doing, Yeah, they're doing 2:31:19.600 --> 2:31:24.360 seuth technology and the Nighthawk. The night Hawk is really bad. 2:31:24.400 --> 2:31:26.279 And the night Hawk is really bad because it fundamentally 2:31:26.360 --> 2:31:28.680 changes the balance of power between anti A weapons and bombers. 2:31:29.360 --> 2:31:31.480 And this means that the US can just like I 2:31:31.520 --> 2:31:34.039 don't know, for example, just obliterate an army of fleeing 2:31:34.080 --> 2:31:37.760 Iraqi conscripts without having to like worry about someone shooting 2:31:37.800 --> 2:31:40.880 down their planes. To be fair, I do think I 2:31:41.040 --> 2:31:44.160 do think the night Hawk looks way better than the 2:31:44.800 --> 2:31:47.920 previous plane we mentioned. That's for so many one. Now 2:31:47.959 --> 2:31:53.000 that's not a bad looking plane, but the night beautiful plane, 2:31:53.640 --> 2:31:56.560 it's a it is a horrible killing machine. It's all 2:31:56.760 --> 2:31:59.680 designed for and it looks like it. It looks like death. 2:32:00.120 --> 2:32:02.520 Like the plane looks like It's true, it doesn't look 2:32:02.560 --> 2:32:04.160 like well that's why I likely there's only one because 2:32:04.240 --> 2:32:08.920 seventy one just looks like it looks like looks like death, yeah, 2:32:08.959 --> 2:32:11.480 whereas where this one looks like like. This one looks 2:32:11.520 --> 2:32:15.280 like like like like like yeah, like a government put 2:32:15.360 --> 2:32:18.480 into a plane that is death, that is and that 2:32:18.600 --> 2:32:20.800 is what it looks like. And so yeah, this is 2:32:20.879 --> 2:32:22.959 this is this is part of a transition the night 2:32:23.000 --> 2:32:25.280 Hawks actually is there's an interesting tansition that's happening here, 2:32:25.280 --> 2:32:28.520 which is that so a night Hawks. Uh, the Nighthawk 2:32:28.600 --> 2:32:31.040 is tested at at Airy fifty one. But this is 2:32:31.160 --> 2:32:34.600 the first plane that like can actually drop bombs that 2:32:34.640 --> 2:32:36.480 Airy fifty one ever made, because up until up until 2:32:36.480 --> 2:32:38.160 this point they've been doing Becconnissance aircraft and be doing 2:32:38.200 --> 2:32:40.680 the YouTube that seventy one A twelve, which is like 2:32:41.600 --> 2:32:46.879 they're just capable of accidentally ending the world, these deliberately 2:32:47.040 --> 2:32:49.680 ending it by dropping bombs. Yeah, and and this this 2:32:49.879 --> 2:32:52.080 this is when is that the CIA gives control of 2:32:52.440 --> 2:32:56.480 A fifty one to the Air Force one. Yeah, and 2:32:56.520 --> 2:32:58.440 this is all. This is also where airy fifty two 2:32:58.520 --> 2:33:00.440 comes in, because every fifty two wih it's it's it's 2:33:00.440 --> 2:33:02.360 literally just the facility X fifty one. And so they 2:33:02.720 --> 2:33:04.879 air fifty one is like, I sorry. Air fifty two 2:33:05.080 --> 2:33:07.640 is built up basically to like house the night Hawks 2:33:09.480 --> 2:33:11.880 now it is it is interesting that like the older 2:33:12.000 --> 2:33:15.800 night Hawks look a lot more like UFOs than the 2:33:15.879 --> 2:33:18.680 newer night Hawks. Like the newer night Hawks look more 2:33:18.760 --> 2:33:22.480 like the stupid like Tumbler batmobile, but in a plane, 2:33:22.800 --> 2:33:25.320 the older night Hawks look a lot more sci fi 2:33:25.879 --> 2:33:27.960 um And it is interesting with the difference to be 2:33:28.040 --> 2:33:30.200 like if I saw the older night Hawk and be like, oh, 2:33:30.280 --> 2:33:32.120 that's the UFO. If I saw the new er knight Hawk, 2:33:32.160 --> 2:33:34.440 I'm like, oh that is like a military plane. Yeah, well, 2:33:34.480 --> 2:33:36.840 and I was, I will say this. So they start 2:33:36.879 --> 2:33:38.520 doing a lot of things to like reduce the number 2:33:38.520 --> 2:33:40.680 of UFO sightings they produce. So, like they said, they 2:33:40.680 --> 2:33:43.840 start flying, they start flying at night because it's actually 2:33:43.879 --> 2:33:47.800 really hard to see a black airplane at night. Yeah. 2:33:47.920 --> 2:33:50.800 But but you know, the the other thing that they're 2:33:50.840 --> 2:33:52.800 doing in air fifty one, and they've been doing this 2:33:52.920 --> 2:33:55.320 really since the sixties is Air fifty one is where 2:33:55.320 --> 2:33:59.400 the US basically develops its drones. Yeah, and that is 2:33:59.480 --> 2:34:02.400 that that is the modern thing that pilots talk of 2:34:02.480 --> 2:34:04.680 it on CBS or whatever, and and you know, and 2:34:04.760 --> 2:34:07.480 it's interestingly so so I I mean I've been sort 2:34:07.480 --> 2:34:09.920 of aware of this, I didn't fully understand it. The 2:34:10.080 --> 2:34:13.600 US like had drones in the sixties, which just put 2:34:13.640 --> 2:34:16.320 them for a lot. Yeah. Yeah, like they like one 2:34:16.320 --> 2:34:17.520 of the things they do with the A twelve is 2:34:17.560 --> 2:34:19.960 they put like they had this like Ramjet drone on 2:34:20.080 --> 2:34:22.600 top of it, which just like pretty like a Ramjet 2:34:22.720 --> 2:34:24.400 joone is sick. Like that's like that's just like a 2:34:24.480 --> 2:34:26.880 cool thing. Yeah. If it wasn't used for killing people, 2:34:26.920 --> 2:34:30.520 then all these things are designed to people. Well yeah, 2:34:30.560 --> 2:34:32.400 but the thought about the ram Jet things, they had 2:34:32.400 --> 2:34:34.000 to stop using it because it kept it kept just 2:34:34.080 --> 2:34:36.680 like like cutting the airplane that kept cutting the A 2:34:36.760 --> 2:34:43.640 twelve and a half. Okay, well to the ram Jet drone. 2:34:44.280 --> 2:34:45.720 But yeah, and I think that the last thing we 2:34:45.720 --> 2:34:49.879 should talk about is that, Yeah, so Area fifty ones. 2:34:50.040 --> 2:34:52.560 The latest thing that we know that they did that 2:34:52.800 --> 2:34:58.040 is horrifying and awful is so up up until nine eleven, 2:34:58.480 --> 2:34:59.960 there had been a line in the U. S. MILT 2:35:00.280 --> 2:35:02.560 and that line was you do not put weapons on 2:35:02.680 --> 2:35:11.440 unarmed drones. After after oh what a time? Yeah, and 2:35:11.760 --> 2:35:14.160 every note eleven, uh, the Air Force in the CIA 2:35:14.280 --> 2:35:16.600 basically get together and they're trying to draw up a 2:35:16.600 --> 2:35:19.520 plan to kill Ben Laden and so their their plan 2:35:19.680 --> 2:35:21.320 to do this is to put health fire missiles on 2:35:21.360 --> 2:35:23.840 a drone. And this is this is this is the 2:35:23.920 --> 2:35:28.480 origin of what a horrible series of event. Drone like 2:35:28.560 --> 2:35:31.359 the few decisions that have impacted the course of humanity 2:35:31.400 --> 2:35:34.080 for the next century that are being responsible for so 2:35:34.160 --> 2:35:37.240 many and and this thing, you can you can see 2:35:37.280 --> 2:35:39.240 where this is going in the initial thing, because so 2:35:39.320 --> 2:35:41.080 when when when when they're testing the missiles on this 2:35:41.280 --> 2:35:43.400 right in Airy fifty one that they set up like 2:35:43.480 --> 2:35:46.760 a mock version of like Ben Lawden's house, and they're 2:35:46.800 --> 2:35:48.240 setting it up so that they can figure out how 2:35:48.320 --> 2:35:49.760 many children they are going to kill when they blow 2:35:49.800 --> 2:35:53.760 this thing up, and yeah, that's that's that's that's that's been, 2:35:53.920 --> 2:35:57.240 that's been air fifty ones modern. No, the worst, the 2:35:57.360 --> 2:36:00.320 worst thing to come from places like this is putting 2:36:00.600 --> 2:36:03.920 guns on robots and drums. This is like the worst thing, 2:36:04.400 --> 2:36:07.640 almost almost almost ending the world with nuclear weapons, and 2:36:07.720 --> 2:36:11.600 then now drones deciding to put deciding to put bombs 2:36:11.760 --> 2:36:16.040 and weapons on little tiny things that fly and little 2:36:16.240 --> 2:36:19.480 and little robots that crawl around. This is the worst 2:36:19.560 --> 2:36:22.160 thing imaginable that we could have We could have just 2:36:22.280 --> 2:36:24.720 not done, but we're like, nope, let's do it. And 2:36:24.959 --> 2:36:27.840 now because the things about it, even even though like 2:36:28.040 --> 2:36:30.600 seventies c. I A Was like, this is a bad idea. 2:36:31.080 --> 2:36:33.480 I know, it's one of one of the first laws 2:36:33.560 --> 2:36:36.720 of like one of the first laws of first of robotics, 2:36:36.879 --> 2:36:39.920 the first lave of robotics. Yeah, but we stopped talking 2:36:39.959 --> 2:36:43.800 about that years ago, and now we have those. Now 2:36:43.879 --> 2:36:47.040 we have those fucking robot dogs with that fucking like 2:36:47.440 --> 2:36:56.160 five five six rifles SI even worse, even worse. Yeah, 2:36:56.320 --> 2:37:00.400 and that's the episode and yet more, a rifle a 2:37:00.440 --> 2:37:04.400 little go right through a robot yeah, I'm really excited 2:37:04.440 --> 2:37:09.800 for the Robot Wars and then it's gonna suck so bad. 2:37:09.959 --> 2:37:13.080 We're already in the Robot Wars. Yeah, I know. Yeah, 2:37:13.720 --> 2:37:16.240 it's well, it's happened. Well, but you know what will 2:37:16.280 --> 2:37:18.360 never happen. It would have been so much it would 2:37:18.400 --> 2:37:20.080 have been so much better if it was just Aliens. 2:37:20.160 --> 2:37:24.600 God what no not? Yeah, you know, I would though, 2:37:24.800 --> 2:37:28.000 if we ever do Stomry, we should just destroy it 2:37:28.400 --> 2:37:30.440 like that. That's just that place. That place should be 2:37:30.520 --> 2:37:32.760 raised to the ground and like left as a monument 2:37:32.840 --> 2:37:36.160 to the people that killed, because that should be most 2:37:36.240 --> 2:37:41.760 of the states. Yes, specifically, we fill every inch of 2:37:41.800 --> 2:37:44.040 it with concrete and we top it with a statue 2:37:44.080 --> 2:37:46.040 of Fox Molder. You know. You know what we do 2:37:46.400 --> 2:37:50.400 is we do the thing like for the theoretical, the 2:37:50.480 --> 2:37:53.680 theoretical nuclear waste disposal site. Yeah, that is what we do. 2:37:54.160 --> 2:37:56.879 It is also still sort of a radiant and also 2:37:57.120 --> 2:38:02.760 it is still also radiant. So yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing, 2:38:02.840 --> 2:38:06.680 nothing of value is kept here. Turn to turn away. Yep, yeah, 2:38:07.080 --> 2:38:11.680 well I wish it was aliens. Aliens. All right, Well, 2:38:12.280 --> 2:38:16.640 see that's the episode. You can follow our cia exploits 2:38:16.680 --> 2:38:19.160 that that happened here upon on Twitter and Instagram. Gotta 2:38:19.200 --> 2:38:27.640 hate social media. All right, that's the episode. Here's to 2:38:27.760 --> 2:38:32.039 the great American settlers. 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Learn more over at Grim 2:41:15.560 --> 2:41:29.440 and Mild dot com. Slash presents a spooky All right, 2:41:29.520 --> 2:41:33.080 We're done. Um, Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show 2:41:33.160 --> 2:41:35.240 that this is on the week that this is, which 2:41:35.360 --> 2:41:39.680 is the spooky week of the year where things are spooky. Today, 2:41:40.320 --> 2:41:45.440 my guest Katie Golden Katie sit say hello to the audience. Hello, audience, 2:41:45.720 --> 2:41:51.080 now say goodbye. Okay by audience, now tell the audience 2:41:51.160 --> 2:41:55.160 that acts of industrial sabotage are always morally justified in 2:41:55.240 --> 2:42:00.520 defense of the climate. Uh acts of Wait, okay, so 2:42:02.280 --> 2:42:05.960 are you do you guys have a team of lawyers 2:42:06.080 --> 2:42:09.039 that I can access or absolutely they say it's fine. 2:42:09.320 --> 2:42:11.760 They say it's fine. If you tell people that, then 2:42:11.920 --> 2:42:16.199 you know, industrial sabbatui or whatever he said, it is cool. 2:42:16.320 --> 2:42:19.400 I love it, all right, everybody. I wouldn't have made 2:42:19.480 --> 2:42:21.640 that kind of claim, but but you heard Katie, so 2:42:22.080 --> 2:42:24.480 you know, there you go. Full We've now made a 2:42:24.520 --> 2:42:28.680 full throated defense of the Niger Delta Avengers. That is true. 2:42:28.800 --> 2:42:31.680 That is an upcoming episode of Chris Um Katie, What 2:42:31.800 --> 2:42:33.000 do you? What do you do? What do we? What 2:42:33.080 --> 2:42:34.960 do we? What do we? What? What are we? What 2:42:35.120 --> 2:42:40.600 are we? What are We're? All star dust Robert? Okay, 2:42:40.680 --> 2:42:45.320 well that sounds soothing. Actually well well first, Katie of 2:42:45.560 --> 2:42:49.560 of of the Goldens is the host of Creature. You 2:42:49.720 --> 2:42:51.840 right for some more news. You're the host of Creature 2:42:51.920 --> 2:42:56.640 feature Jesus Sophie, you gotta remember these things. Yeah, um m, 2:42:57.240 --> 2:43:01.160 everything's always beautiful. What are we? What are we doing today? 2:43:01.600 --> 2:43:05.120 What do you got? What? What are what's happening? I mean, 2:43:05.920 --> 2:43:11.640 this is your podcast. But I thought, all right, fine, 2:43:11.879 --> 2:43:14.560 it's my podcast. Now, welcome to it could happen? We 2:43:14.680 --> 2:43:17.640 are hosted by Katie Golden. I thought we could talk. 2:43:18.320 --> 2:43:20.960 I thought we could talk about animals because I like animals. 2:43:21.440 --> 2:43:24.119 All right, you got a spooky thing about an animal 2:43:24.200 --> 2:43:27.600 for us? Yeah, I thought because the theme of your 2:43:27.640 --> 2:43:31.280 podcast seems to be, you know, sort of the future 2:43:31.560 --> 2:43:35.440 and how things could get pretty fucky in the future, 2:43:36.040 --> 2:43:39.720 and I thought there are some examples of things getting 2:43:39.800 --> 2:43:44.520 fucky with animals in the current present. That seems to 2:43:45.000 --> 2:43:49.600 it could maybe be a bit of a crystal ball 2:43:49.840 --> 2:43:53.520 for things that could happen in the future with climate change. 2:43:53.680 --> 2:43:57.440 That is kind of spooky. All right, let's do it. 2:43:58.480 --> 2:44:03.120 Have you guys heard of this? I get antelope. I mean, 2:44:03.440 --> 2:44:05.959 I've heard of antelopes, and I've heard of the saiga, 2:44:06.160 --> 2:44:08.960 and I guess I'm not surprised that there's antelopes in 2:44:09.520 --> 2:44:12.760 the Saga. Do me a quick favor and just google 2:44:12.959 --> 2:44:15.920 siga antelope and just take a gander. Take them on 2:44:16.000 --> 2:44:22.080 in as I I'll describe them to the aud Wow. Yeah, 2:44:23.440 --> 2:44:27.040 they are kind of some of the cutest, dufiest little 2:44:28.000 --> 2:44:31.320 in the world. Little little they have the best little face. 2:44:31.600 --> 2:44:34.800 I know, it's weird. It looks it's like just too 2:44:34.959 --> 2:44:37.119 it's just a big nose. Yeah, it's just a big, 2:44:37.320 --> 2:44:41.200 ridiculous nose. My god, that looks silly. They must be 2:44:41.400 --> 2:44:44.120 endangered because they look they look like they're terrible at 2:44:44.160 --> 2:44:48.360 staying alive. Their their faces all nose. It's like someone's 2:44:48.400 --> 2:44:50.480 whole face was just a nose like someone stuck an 2:44:50.480 --> 2:44:54.200 ant eater to like an They look delicious. I'm just 2:44:54.280 --> 2:44:57.400 gonna say it. I would hunt and eat them. They 2:44:58.600 --> 2:45:03.199 like incredibly with Voldemort's nostrils in the Harry Potter movie. 2:45:03.360 --> 2:45:09.440 But like long, Yeah, they look ridiculous. Yes, they like 2:45:09.520 --> 2:45:13.240 a Star Wars animal. Yeah, some of them. They're patterning 2:45:13.360 --> 2:45:15.480 makes it look like they have tear drop tattoos under 2:45:15.480 --> 2:45:17.640 their eyes, which I think means they've all killed someone 2:45:17.720 --> 2:45:24.039 in prison the hard correctly. Yeah, anyways, are you going 2:45:24.080 --> 2:45:26.800 to tell something that is happening with them, Katie? Yes? 2:45:27.240 --> 2:45:31.280 Are they raist? Are these racist antelope? Katie? We're gonna 2:45:31.320 --> 2:45:35.120 milkshake duck these antelopes. Yeah, they're They're all um as 2:45:35.200 --> 2:45:36.960 far as I know, they're not too racist. They have 2:45:37.120 --> 2:45:41.360 some problematic views on like, you know, gender abortion. Yeah 2:45:42.040 --> 2:45:45.280 that's I mean, all antelope have really regressive attitudes towards 2:45:45.320 --> 2:45:50.360 women's reproductive healthy I mean frustrating. Yeah, yeah, it's a 2:45:50.600 --> 2:45:53.200 but these guys look like Star Wars animals to me, 2:45:53.240 --> 2:45:55.160 they kind of look like a Star Wars anal named 2:45:55.200 --> 2:45:59.400 like a grass honker or something. Yeah, they look extremely fake. 2:45:59.480 --> 2:46:01.560 It's a like a guy you'd meet at the bar 2:46:01.840 --> 2:46:07.760 where the Aliens played jizy. Yes, that type of music 2:46:07.840 --> 2:46:11.320 that Katie's doing is canonically and and if you and 2:46:11.360 --> 2:46:12.640 if you are, if you are, if you are a 2:46:12.720 --> 2:46:15.440 musician who plays jiz, you are a jiz whaler. And 2:46:16.680 --> 2:46:20.000 the best thing about that is that I know all 2:46:20.080 --> 2:46:23.400 of the thought that George Lucas put to that was, Oh, 2:46:23.600 --> 2:46:26.600 someone asked what the type of music they played in jazz? 2:46:27.160 --> 2:46:29.080 Jazz is a real kind of music. Let me just 2:46:29.120 --> 2:46:33.199 put an eye in the vowel. Now, well, that's gonna 2:46:33.240 --> 2:46:37.680 be the day for me put an apostrophe in which 2:46:39.240 --> 2:46:41.480 it could have it could have, it could have been 2:46:43.840 --> 2:46:49.520 so even the effort wasn't there because these are okay, sorry, no, 2:46:49.640 --> 2:46:51.920 I can talk about this for hours. I just the 2:46:52.240 --> 2:46:56.120 differences between J. K. Rowling and and George Lucas as 2:46:56.240 --> 2:47:00.240 creators who both made very popular fiction franchise is and 2:47:00.320 --> 2:47:02.440 want people to think they thought about them more than 2:47:02.480 --> 2:47:05.880 they did. Is absolutely hysterical because J. K. Rowling does 2:47:06.000 --> 2:47:09.320 that by creating all these convoluted backstories, and George Lucas 2:47:09.440 --> 2:47:11.880 replaced the A and jazz with an eye and didn't 2:47:11.920 --> 2:47:21.720 realize that, right, what an incredible person. It is pretty good. Sorry, Katie, No, 2:47:21.959 --> 2:47:24.720 it's fine, it's fine. So these saga antelope a k a. 2:47:24.879 --> 2:47:28.560 Jizz whalers are found in the grasslands and semi deserts 2:47:28.720 --> 2:47:34.560 in Central Asia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan. They 2:47:34.600 --> 2:47:37.040 actually used to have a much wider range, but because 2:47:37.080 --> 2:47:40.200 of all the Roberts out there wanting to taste their 2:47:40.400 --> 2:47:47.760 delicious delicious, uh just that nose on a plate, their 2:47:48.080 --> 2:47:52.080 population declined and is now limited to a small territory. 2:47:52.600 --> 2:47:55.560 So yeah, so there's still enough for meat to eat 2:47:55.600 --> 2:47:58.640 a couple. No, Robert, if you try to kill one, 2:47:58.640 --> 2:48:05.200 I'll kill you first. Antelope hunting, we have to. We 2:48:05.280 --> 2:48:08.119 have to protect the look they look stupid as shit. 2:48:09.280 --> 2:48:12.680 It can't possibly be good at stuff. Actually what that knows? 2:48:12.720 --> 2:48:14.520 I bet their senses are. They could do a lot 2:48:14.560 --> 2:48:18.600 of interesting things. Yeah, anybody, let Katie tell the story. 2:48:18.800 --> 2:48:22.760 You interrupting, Fox go sorry, we all got jiz pill 2:48:23.040 --> 2:48:27.039 now not so it's okay, it's I understand the excitement 2:48:27.040 --> 2:48:29.080 about these guys. Um. I do want to paint a 2:48:29.160 --> 2:48:31.720 mental picture for the audience, just so they get like 2:48:31.920 --> 2:48:35.240 why people are freaking out. So they have this elephant, 2:48:35.600 --> 2:48:38.040 Like imagine a little antelope and they're they're small. They're 2:48:38.040 --> 2:48:42.240 about two three ft tall, about six pounds. Yeah, they're 2:48:42.280 --> 2:48:45.120 little babies. And it looks like you took like a 2:48:45.240 --> 2:48:48.960 cute little deer and just glued like a big elephant 2:48:49.080 --> 2:48:52.520 nose to it. It's not as long as an elephant trunk, 2:48:52.560 --> 2:48:55.400 but it's sort of a like a it curls under 2:48:55.600 --> 2:48:58.720 like an elephant seal nose stuck to a little deer 2:48:59.320 --> 2:49:03.720 and that's out. Is called a proboscis, And yeah, it's 2:49:03.800 --> 2:49:06.680 a they're kind of a they have sort of a 2:49:07.280 --> 2:49:11.000 light tan white coat. Uh, they can get really fluffy 2:49:11.360 --> 2:49:15.680 in the winter. Uh. They have these really huge tubular 2:49:15.800 --> 2:49:21.320 nostrils on that nose and that gigantic conquer helps them 2:49:21.400 --> 2:49:25.040 filter dirt as the huge herds sort of trample on 2:49:25.200 --> 2:49:28.760 the ground and kick up dirt clouds um And it 2:49:28.920 --> 2:49:32.320 can also act as an ac unit that cools the 2:49:32.400 --> 2:49:36.560 syga antelopes blood. So as blood flows through it, you 2:49:36.680 --> 2:49:39.240 have this spacious chamber and it cools the blood and 2:49:39.280 --> 2:49:43.120 it recirculates. And then in the winter it can act 2:49:43.200 --> 2:49:45.880 as a space heater that warms the air before they 2:49:45.959 --> 2:49:50.560 breathe it in so ac heater. Yeah, filter system. It's 2:49:50.720 --> 2:49:54.880 really a cool nose, which is why it was absolutely 2:49:55.000 --> 2:49:59.960 horrifying when entire herds of the Saga antelope started dropping 2:50:00.120 --> 2:50:04.040 dead on mass within like days of each other, just 2:50:05.440 --> 2:50:13.879 like a biblical plague. So there are photos. What's properly unbelievable. 2:50:15.080 --> 2:50:21.760 You're so embarrassing sometimes, Katie, I'm so sorry. No, it's 2:50:21.879 --> 2:50:24.760 it's it's fine. Um, I'm I mean, I don't know 2:50:24.879 --> 2:50:27.960 how else to sort of add levity to just the 2:50:28.040 --> 2:50:33.600 most adorable little antelope in the world just all suddenly dying. Uh. There. 2:50:34.040 --> 2:50:38.160 So there are photos in Kazakhstans of in Kazakhstan of 2:50:38.240 --> 2:50:42.680 these fields just littered with these white lumps, and when 2:50:42.720 --> 2:50:45.920 you zoom in you realize they're all Saga antelope corpses 2:50:46.040 --> 2:50:51.000 just covering the ground. It's pretty bone chilling. It kind 2:50:51.040 --> 2:50:54.720 of looks okay, this is a little bit, uh. It 2:50:54.840 --> 2:50:57.320 kind of looks like a cult death, a mass cult death, 2:50:57.400 --> 2:51:02.160 like jonestown antelope. Oh boy, I was going to say, 2:51:02.200 --> 2:51:04.800 when you go grenade fishing, but yeah, the same kind 2:51:04.840 --> 2:51:10.960 of idea grenade fishing. Yeah, what did you drop a 2:51:11.000 --> 2:51:12.720 grenade in a lake and then it kills all the 2:51:12.800 --> 2:51:15.680 fish and they float to the top, so you can. Okay, 2:51:16.080 --> 2:51:18.680 I thought it was like you were fishing for fishing, 2:51:20.240 --> 2:51:23.360 like running around a field going like it's that if 2:51:23.400 --> 2:51:26.720 you go fishing in a lake where people go grenade fishing, 2:51:26.959 --> 2:51:30.520 you may in fact catch a grenade. But but two 2:51:30.600 --> 2:51:34.760 grenades with one stone, well kind of I'm having this 2:51:34.840 --> 2:51:38.360 image of bobbing for apples. But like above, the apple 2:51:43.040 --> 2:51:48.200 pareful with lakes in Iraq? Is it because they've got 2:51:48.240 --> 2:51:54.600 grenades in them? Yeah? Really that's how you fish? Yeah, okay, yeah, 2:51:55.760 --> 2:52:00.360 if I'm still obsession looking at these pictures, Okay, so 2:52:01.200 --> 2:52:04.240 what what caused all this? This this nightmare plague that 2:52:04.360 --> 2:52:06.200 killed all of the all of the weird nos the 2:52:06.240 --> 2:52:09.640 gonzo antelope, right, the gonzo antelope. It was kind of 2:52:09.760 --> 2:52:14.200 a mystery. So in two hundred thousand siga died off 2:52:14.560 --> 2:52:18.800 in that year alone, and like literally not that many. 2:52:19.160 --> 2:52:23.880 So yeah, it was like the it wiped out the 2:52:23.959 --> 2:52:27.920 majority of the global population because they were already endangered. 2:52:28.520 --> 2:52:31.760 Um yeah, they just like keeled over died without explanation, 2:52:31.879 --> 2:52:36.400 and so researchers were obviously horrified and confused and slightly 2:52:36.480 --> 2:52:43.000 curious and started that's more than left. Yeah. Yeah, so 2:52:43.800 --> 2:52:47.680 they're like a hundred thousand left. Um. And so they 2:52:47.800 --> 2:52:50.760 started investigating the mass deaths and they found that the 2:52:50.920 --> 2:52:56.279 cause was a bacterial infection of pastor Ella multosita type 2:52:56.360 --> 2:53:00.800 B bacteria, which is a really catchy name um, and 2:53:00.920 --> 2:53:06.000 it caused hemorrhagic sceptics simia um, which is a horrible 2:53:06.560 --> 2:53:10.040 I looked up the symptoms. It's like internal bleeding and 2:53:10.320 --> 2:53:13.880 just it's like the worst cold ever, but also with 2:53:14.040 --> 2:53:18.360 your organs bleeding inside, which doesn't sound great. It sounds 2:53:18.600 --> 2:53:24.200 and honestly looks like Captain trips, like the plague from 2:53:24.240 --> 2:53:26.560 Stephen King's The Stand that killed all of the people. 2:53:27.200 --> 2:53:29.880 Like just this horrible plague that makes everybody bleed out 2:53:29.920 --> 2:53:33.879 and drop where they're standing. Yeah, that's essentially what it happened. 2:53:34.000 --> 2:53:36.160 What happens also with a lot of snots, like a 2:53:36.280 --> 2:53:41.280 lot of ye that's also very captain trips. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:53:41.320 --> 2:53:47.360 I mean maybe that yeah yeah, so meat fun. So yeah, 2:53:48.240 --> 2:53:54.400 what is thought to have happened is that basically this bacteria, 2:53:54.480 --> 2:53:58.680 pastor Ella has often been found in siga antelope large noses. 2:53:58.720 --> 2:54:01.640 They're also found in other like a yell at noses 2:54:02.000 --> 2:54:04.760 that have big, these big sort of proboscus noses and 2:54:05.560 --> 2:54:07.920 it lives in there. But it's normally not a problem 2:54:08.040 --> 2:54:11.120 because the immune system is able to fight it off 2:54:11.440 --> 2:54:15.280 fine and maintains this balance. But the climate, I don't 2:54:15.320 --> 2:54:17.400 know if you guys have heard, but climate is kind 2:54:17.400 --> 2:54:22.040 of getting weird. That is something I've I've heard of, yeah, 2:54:22.879 --> 2:54:26.000 learning about it. It may be it may be changing 2:54:26.080 --> 2:54:27.800 from what it used to be a little bit. Yeah, 2:54:28.440 --> 2:54:32.520 it's called change of climate kind of on a global scale, 2:54:32.560 --> 2:54:38.160 everything getting slightly warmer. Yeah, usually it's climate hottening. Climate hottening. 2:54:40.080 --> 2:54:47.960 Because of climate hottening, this bacteria it had much more ideal, uh, 2:54:48.360 --> 2:54:52.000 kind of of an environment to grow. So inside the 2:54:52.320 --> 2:54:55.600 beautiful proboscis of the antelope, you can imagine, it's moist, 2:54:55.680 --> 2:54:59.320 it's warm, it's great, it's moister, yeah, with fester inside 2:54:59.320 --> 2:55:01.920 the nose right exactly. And so when it gets more 2:55:02.080 --> 2:55:05.240 humid on the outside, more hot and humid, that nose 2:55:05.520 --> 2:55:08.760 increases in temperature as well, and it became the perfect 2:55:08.920 --> 2:55:14.040 incubator for hosting this bacteria such that it overwhelmed the 2:55:14.080 --> 2:55:18.680 antelopes immune system and literally they just started dropping like 2:55:18.840 --> 2:55:22.959 flies from this infection, like an entire herd dying within 2:55:23.080 --> 2:55:26.920 a couple of days. When when we first mentioned this, 2:55:27.040 --> 2:55:28.640 you're talking about how they can use their nose as 2:55:28.640 --> 2:55:30.600 like an air conditioner. I was thinking like, oh, maybe 2:55:30.800 --> 2:55:32.800 maybe these animals will be like well adapted to climate 2:55:32.879 --> 2:55:35.360 change so they can stuff regulate. But no, of course not. 2:55:35.520 --> 2:55:38.840 Of course it's not a good story. Um yea. Now 2:55:39.959 --> 2:55:42.520 I think that's what's so creepy about climate change to 2:55:42.600 --> 2:55:45.480 me is there's like the obvious effects are things like 2:55:45.640 --> 2:55:48.960 more fire, we get real hot and we die because 2:55:49.040 --> 2:55:53.519 it's too hot. But things like oh, this means bacteria 2:55:53.680 --> 2:55:56.920 loves loves living life and like starts eating us from 2:55:56.959 --> 2:55:59.600 the inside out. Like that's not a really I guess 2:55:59.640 --> 2:56:03.280 in two of consequence of global warming, but it is 2:56:03.760 --> 2:56:07.160 one of the things that seems to be likely to happen. 2:56:07.200 --> 2:56:10.000 So it's really creepy. Well it's fun is when you 2:56:10.120 --> 2:56:12.560 started this and talked about like a whole herd of 2:56:12.879 --> 2:56:15.280 of of these antelopes dropping at once, I thought it 2:56:15.360 --> 2:56:16.920 was going to be like, oh, another one of those 2:56:16.959 --> 2:56:20.080 like horrible sulfur bubbles that killed like a city's worth 2:56:20.160 --> 2:56:23.480 of animals in a matter of seconds. Because a bunch 2:56:23.520 --> 2:56:27.320 of ice melted um and I'm not sure which is creepier. Actually, 2:56:27.959 --> 2:56:32.160 this is worse, Like they died in like horrible pain. Yeah, 2:56:32.320 --> 2:56:35.280 I don't think the sulfur wasn't painful. But yeah, they're 2:56:35.320 --> 2:56:40.800 both horrifying, the sulfurs at least faster. They're both very frightening. 2:56:40.879 --> 2:56:43.240 And it's also both things that like, oh yeah that 2:56:43.320 --> 2:56:45.880 could that could they that could drop some people that 2:56:45.920 --> 2:56:48.320 could just jump right across. There's there's a couple of 2:56:48.360 --> 2:56:50.440 ways this could go bad for us. This is the thing. 2:56:50.600 --> 2:56:52.360 And Robert was looking a little bit into to put 2:56:52.400 --> 2:56:55.200 together the first five scripted episodes of The Daily Is 2:56:55.280 --> 2:56:57.720 we In a few books we read, there were there 2:56:57.760 --> 2:57:00.320 were there were section, like large sections about this is 2:57:00.400 --> 2:57:04.480 gonna basically just make plagues be a thing forever. Now, Yeah, 2:57:04.520 --> 2:57:06.160 this is gonna be hard for people to really get 2:57:06.200 --> 2:57:08.560 their heads around. But imagine a plague hit in in 2:57:08.720 --> 2:57:11.480 in the twenty one century. How scary that would be, 2:57:11.680 --> 2:57:14.440 just really trying to get your head around that global plague. Yeah, 2:57:14.560 --> 2:57:20.520 people drop into frightening, you know. So the coronavirus coronavirus 2:57:20.640 --> 2:57:22.680 is technically it's not a plague, right because it's not 2:57:23.840 --> 2:57:32.520 it's not bacteria. It's yeah, it's like it's it's it's 2:57:32.560 --> 2:57:36.200 both both both Like vitral pathogens, bacterial pathogens are with 2:57:36.400 --> 2:57:38.480 with globalization, can spread it much faster, right, and now 2:57:38.560 --> 2:57:42.280 with global warming there's gonna be more breeding ground for 2:57:42.400 --> 2:57:44.800 literally new bacterias. And this is and with with stuff 2:57:44.840 --> 2:57:46.360 melting in the ice caps and all that kind of stuff. 2:57:46.520 --> 2:57:49.840 There's just a lot of reasons to just assume that, yeah, 2:57:49.920 --> 2:57:52.119 we're just gonna kind of live with plugues constantly being 2:57:52.160 --> 2:57:55.440 a problem now, Like it's that's just the were there there. 2:57:55.720 --> 2:57:58.720 There never is going to be a post COVID nineteen world. 2:57:59.160 --> 2:58:02.720 It's just this forever. COVID was just the first plague 2:58:02.800 --> 2:58:06.280 that really got through the defenses that we're never going 2:58:06.360 --> 2:58:08.440 to hold up to the damage we're doing to the climate. 2:58:09.879 --> 2:58:11.920 Like there were a couple of plagues beforehand that like 2:58:12.080 --> 2:58:13.800 we we were able to kind of cat tamp down 2:58:13.879 --> 2:58:16.040 on get a lit on, and COVID was just the 2:58:16.160 --> 2:58:19.240 system actually finally shattering and it's never gonna get fixed 2:58:19.760 --> 2:58:22.480 and the plagues are just gonna get plague gear and uh, 2:58:22.840 --> 2:58:25.720 it'll be fun. But on the other side, on the upside, 2:58:25.840 --> 2:58:31.720 here's some mats. Okay, Yeah, on the upside, capitalism, we 2:58:31.800 --> 2:58:35.240 are back. I've I've unfortunately, I've got to the point 2:58:35.280 --> 2:58:38.200 where I'm scrolling through these pictures where I've now found 2:58:38.280 --> 2:58:43.360 the mountain of dead animals. Yeah, it's real, fucking the 2:58:43.480 --> 2:58:46.400 stand ship. Yeah, it's a lot of them, a lot 2:58:46.480 --> 2:58:48.959 of them dead, just in a giant pile. Like imagine 2:58:49.000 --> 2:58:52.879 the cutest Sesame Street character, cuter than snuffle Off, I guess, 2:58:53.640 --> 2:58:57.040 just lying in heaps, and that big nose has to 2:58:57.120 --> 2:59:01.119 make him extra vulnerable to fucking how horrible nose bacteria. 2:59:01.520 --> 2:59:08.440 That's what we were just talking about. It's literally that's 2:59:08.560 --> 2:59:12.600 just what we said. Katie just explained that. I know. 2:59:13.200 --> 2:59:16.440 But it's so sad. It is very sad. It's very sad, 2:59:16.560 --> 2:59:20.879 and there's this is not an isolated case that will 2:59:20.959 --> 2:59:25.440 never happen again. Researchers warn that it's very likely stuff 2:59:25.480 --> 2:59:28.320 like this will keep happening with climate change, and they're 2:59:28.360 --> 2:59:32.520 warning that reindeer populations are at risk because reindeer actually 2:59:32.600 --> 2:59:35.120 also have a really even though it doesn't seem like 2:59:35.200 --> 2:59:37.040 they have a huge boss, because they have a very 2:59:37.080 --> 2:59:42.040 impressive nose. It's very spacious. It also actually works like 2:59:42.240 --> 2:59:45.280 a little space heater and warms up the air as 2:59:45.720 --> 2:59:49.240 they breathe it in. It's pretty amazing. But those same 2:59:49.520 --> 2:59:53.400 characteristics that are so beneficial to the reindeer now could 2:59:53.560 --> 2:59:56.840 actually become very dangerous for them with climate change if 2:59:56.920 --> 3:00:01.440 this bacterial growth happened. So we're looking at potential, um, 3:00:02.040 --> 3:00:05.640 you know, risk to reindeer population, and there's also a 3:00:05.760 --> 3:00:08.640 lot of risk to farm animals as well, like for 3:00:09.240 --> 3:00:14.040 something similar have to happen, where this bacteria can infect 3:00:14.480 --> 3:00:20.680 farm animals like cows and other types of ungulate farm animals. Uh. 3:00:21.080 --> 3:00:24.360 And so you know, even if people don't care about 3:00:24.640 --> 3:00:29.359 the adorable psyched antelope, which I guess would be just psychopaths, murders, 3:00:29.959 --> 3:00:34.880 you know. Uh, But like you know, we also have 3:00:35.480 --> 3:00:40.240 very important species like you know, reindeer that are keystone 3:00:40.240 --> 3:00:45.000 species and also you know our farm animals that you know, Yeah, 3:00:45.040 --> 3:00:48.320 they're very for a lot of people to basically how 3:00:48.440 --> 3:00:51.440 they live their lives are based around cultivating these animals 3:00:51.520 --> 3:00:55.920 and hunting and raising it. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, 3:00:56.480 --> 3:00:59.920 in my opinion, every species, even if no matter how 3:01:00.080 --> 3:01:03.879 obscured it is, it is typically something very important for humans. 3:01:04.000 --> 3:01:05.840 It's just it's sort of the like seven degrees of 3:01:05.920 --> 3:01:09.320 Kevin Bacon. It's like you don't have to get too 3:01:09.360 --> 3:01:13.360 far away to realize that Kevin Bacon, like his survival 3:01:13.480 --> 3:01:17.000 is really important to the planet um. Except instead of 3:01:17.120 --> 3:01:19.720 Kevin Bacon, it's like any animal. And that is basically 3:01:19.720 --> 3:01:22.520 all animals and all ecosystems, no matter even if you 3:01:22.640 --> 3:01:26.120 feel like they're not super important the way our world 3:01:26.280 --> 3:01:29.359 works and how it doesn't work, they're all incredibly intrinsic 3:01:29.440 --> 3:01:33.039 and reliant on each other. So even you know that's 3:01:33.160 --> 3:01:34.960 that we're seeing stuff about, like why don't we just 3:01:35.120 --> 3:01:38.760 like turn entire deserts into solar fields and be like, well, no, 3:01:38.959 --> 3:01:42.520 because the desert equisystem actually, like if they serves a 3:01:42.640 --> 3:01:44.920 very important purpose, Like you can't just be like, oh, 3:01:45.280 --> 3:01:47.920 deserts are important, Like no, like they have an actual 3:01:48.000 --> 3:01:50.920 egoistm that's actually very important to the surrounding areas. We 3:01:51.000 --> 3:01:53.120 can't just bulldoze it and turn into a solar just 3:01:53.360 --> 3:01:57.400 sand garrison, which is coarse and irritating and it gets everywhere. 3:01:57.440 --> 3:02:03.520 It's everywhere. It's an actual quote from from episodes episode two, 3:02:03.560 --> 3:02:06.760 Attack of the Clones by hearing Christensen playing Anakin Skywalker 3:02:07.160 --> 3:02:11.440 the Padawan with with the rat tail. Yeah, yeah, classic 3:02:12.040 --> 3:02:15.680 that Yeah, his rat tail amazing. The courage they used 3:02:15.680 --> 3:02:19.920 to the courage of two three stunning. Yeah, How could 3:02:19.959 --> 3:02:22.320 pad May not How could she not want that? How 3:02:22.400 --> 3:02:25.720 could you resist? It's like that Ween song Every girl 3:02:25.800 --> 3:02:28.800 wants a guy with a rat tail. Yeah, I'm just 3:02:28.920 --> 3:02:30.800 assuming if that were a song, it would be by 3:02:30.879 --> 3:02:36.280 Ween called it's called a like a love Lover. I 3:02:36.360 --> 3:02:43.720 think that's right, that's right. So what's up with these animals? Yeah, 3:02:45.080 --> 3:02:47.160 you want some more animals because I talked about how 3:02:47.360 --> 3:02:50.800 those animals mostly all died. Oh I'm I'm just thinking, 3:02:50.840 --> 3:02:52.360 like what's like, what's what like? Do you know, like, 3:02:52.440 --> 3:02:56.000 what's happened with them since they all dropped? A whole 3:02:57.000 --> 3:03:02.520 four thousand of them left alive? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, they're 3:03:02.560 --> 3:03:06.640 not currently all dying of this bacterial infection. I think, 3:03:06.760 --> 3:03:10.320 like some of them are. They apparently outside of the 3:03:10.480 --> 3:03:14.640 danger zone. I guess outside of the area where there. Yeah, 3:03:14.879 --> 3:03:17.359 that's about the best you can say for any species. 3:03:18.520 --> 3:03:21.560 Some of them aren't in the danger area occurringly, but 3:03:21.720 --> 3:03:26.240 obviously that's going to change as global warming progresses. So yeah, 3:03:26.440 --> 3:03:29.959 it's a it's pretty grim. It's Also, I think, you know, obviously, 3:03:30.040 --> 3:03:33.080 when you think about these things, humans obviously don't have 3:03:33.320 --> 3:03:35.840 like these big snuffle off a guess noses, which is 3:03:35.920 --> 3:03:38.560 really sad because I'm imagining us with it, and we're 3:03:39.000 --> 3:03:42.280 we'd all be dead, would all be dead? But really, 3:03:42.520 --> 3:03:44.440 which would be better for the planet? So but we 3:03:44.680 --> 3:03:47.000 but we we would we would be way better at 3:03:47.040 --> 3:03:49.800 whaling jizz. And honestly, I feel like we would be 3:03:49.879 --> 3:03:54.240 whaling the hell out of some jizz man. One can dream. 3:03:54.400 --> 3:03:57.560 We would be nose deep in a big old pilages. 3:03:58.680 --> 3:04:05.560 Oh wow, yeah, how would How does the Bible quantify jizz? 3:04:06.320 --> 3:04:13.760 Um cubits? Okay, that's what Noah said, but he wanted 3:04:13.840 --> 3:04:16.360 to get the j on the ark. God's like, you 3:04:16.879 --> 3:04:23.760 must two jis of every kind. Well, Noah was big 3:04:23.840 --> 3:04:28.120 into Now we're just like drawing that it was ever 3:04:28.240 --> 3:04:32.280 about music? All right? Sorry, Katie, No, that's all right, 3:04:33.400 --> 3:04:39.000 I asked, so, h yeah, I mean I thought another 3:04:39.080 --> 3:04:43.360 thing we could talk about is how animal folklore is 3:04:43.480 --> 3:04:46.760 really important to pay attention to and to kind of 3:04:47.640 --> 3:04:53.800 listen to as both information and warnings for the future. Um, 3:04:54.360 --> 3:04:57.600 because we often dismissed folklore as like, oh, you know, 3:04:57.800 --> 3:05:01.119 these are just spooky stories that we tell around the campfire. 3:05:01.400 --> 3:05:05.400 They're just legends. They don't mean anything. We're especially dismissive, 3:05:05.440 --> 3:05:08.520 I think when it comes to indigenous peoples. It's like, oh, 3:05:08.600 --> 3:05:11.440 your folklore, Oh that's so cute and quaint. But yeah, 3:05:11.520 --> 3:05:13.240 we listen to it. We we look at it as 3:05:13.320 --> 3:05:16.040 we we like really like infantilize it as like, oh, 3:05:16.120 --> 3:05:18.920 look at you primitive people still doing folklore, which is 3:05:19.040 --> 3:05:24.440 extremely extremely disrespectful and also like very naive about how 3:05:25.360 --> 3:05:28.680 things work when you look at how heavily engineered all 3:05:28.760 --> 3:05:32.000 of like the forests were in the entirety of the 3:05:32.080 --> 3:05:34.400 America's like from the Amazon of the up to the 3:05:34.440 --> 3:05:37.320 Pacific Northwest. It's a little like like the architect of 3:05:37.360 --> 3:05:39.480 a building comes in and says, hey, you can't knock 3:05:39.520 --> 3:05:41.640 out that retaining while the building is gonna collapse, and 3:05:41.640 --> 3:05:45.640 we're gonna be like, oh, Mr architect with his magic walls, 3:05:46.680 --> 3:05:51.960 and then the building. You know, there's there's a bunch 3:05:52.000 --> 3:05:56.000 of paintings. You're like, there's like these drawings from like 3:05:56.640 --> 3:05:59.760 this is like the early sixteen hundreds of people like 3:06:00.000 --> 3:06:02.040 in North America, and and it will be the drawing 3:06:02.040 --> 3:06:03.840 and it's all these European guys standing on a tree 3:06:04.560 --> 3:06:07.960 and what they're watching is like it's it's one of 3:06:08.040 --> 3:06:10.880 one of the I forget exactly what tried. This is 3:06:11.360 --> 3:06:13.200 one of one of the people. Like they figured out 3:06:13.240 --> 3:06:16.600 how to have like a fire that's like it burns 3:06:16.680 --> 3:06:19.879 it like exactly, like like perfectly in this ring around 3:06:19.879 --> 3:06:21.600 the tree does not catch anything else inside of it. 3:06:21.760 --> 3:06:24.080 Like and it's funny because it's like you look at 3:06:24.120 --> 3:06:28.320 this and it's like, okay, like the people, like the 3:06:28.520 --> 3:06:32.040 people who are drawing this painting cannot do this. And 3:06:32.120 --> 3:06:35.039 it's like it's very clear that they're just like incredibly 3:06:35.080 --> 3:06:37.360 befuddled by this. But it's like you know, and just 3:06:37.480 --> 3:06:39.879 it's it's just sitting there and then all the people 3:06:39.959 --> 3:06:41.720 who paint, who paint that, you like, all the European 3:06:41.760 --> 3:06:43.640 artists who like do this each like no, no, not, 3:06:43.920 --> 3:06:46.440 it's fine. We don't know how they're doing this fire 3:06:46.520 --> 3:06:52.760 control stuff. But we're Europeans. Everything we every ignoring everything 3:06:52.800 --> 3:06:54.960 other people say is gonna go fine and great, and 3:06:55.040 --> 3:06:57.640 we're not gonna like turn half the country into a 3:06:57.720 --> 3:07:00.840 dust bowl. What do they got to hs? We figured 3:07:00.879 --> 3:07:02.720 out how to make boats that only kill half the 3:07:02.800 --> 3:07:08.920 people on them, only half barely. I mean that, I 3:07:08.959 --> 3:07:12.080 mean that is a really good point. Uh. Controlled burns 3:07:12.360 --> 3:07:15.439 have been practiced by a number of civilizations for millennia. 3:07:16.240 --> 3:07:21.320 But when European settlers came and colonized North America, were 3:07:21.440 --> 3:07:24.800 like controlled burns. But we want to sell the timber 3:07:25.040 --> 3:07:29.200 and that sounds dangerous, so let us handle it. But 3:07:29.560 --> 3:07:34.120 this is all immortalized in the biographical song Timber Bye 3:07:34.280 --> 3:07:37.160 Bye pit Bull, which which which tells this story in 3:07:37.400 --> 3:07:40.480 in lyrical version please continue, and in uh and in 3:07:40.680 --> 3:07:44.520 uh Timberland boots, and in Timberland boots. That's right, every 3:07:44.600 --> 3:07:49.360 Timberland boot has a piece of the story. Yeah, and timberwolves. 3:07:49.480 --> 3:07:53.680 The I'm gonna say, a hockey team. Yes, the hockey 3:07:53.760 --> 3:08:00.000 team is yeah, okay, yeah, Sophie is shaking your head. 3:08:00.000 --> 3:08:11.039 And I'm sorry, Sophie, Minnesota Wolves. I'm sorry everyone, but yeah, 3:08:11.080 --> 3:08:15.880 I mean so in North America, especially in California. Uh, 3:08:16.000 --> 3:08:20.560 Indigenous American tribes practice controlled burns for thousands and thousands 3:08:20.600 --> 3:08:24.240 of years. Uh. The europe Carrack and Hoopa tribes of 3:08:24.720 --> 3:08:30.400 California did controlled burns, which, in addition to preventing larger, 3:08:30.600 --> 3:08:34.880 more dangerous wildfires by getting grid of dead brush. It 3:08:35.000 --> 3:08:39.040 also promoted new growth of vegetation like really important plant 3:08:39.080 --> 3:08:43.400 species like oak and hazel. It even had unexpected effects 3:08:43.520 --> 3:08:47.000 like supporting the salmon population because as you did these 3:08:47.040 --> 3:08:51.480 controlled burns created a block from the sun so that 3:08:51.640 --> 3:08:54.040 the ash clouds and then that would cool down the 3:08:54.120 --> 3:08:58.880 temperatures of the streams. And I know what you're thinking, that, hey, 3:08:59.080 --> 3:09:02.360 to counter global warming, we should burn everything so that 3:09:02.560 --> 3:09:08.360 I cooled down. Um, the problem with burning everything like 3:09:08.520 --> 3:09:13.280 these uncontrolled burns is they also kill living vegetation. And 3:09:13.400 --> 3:09:16.160 it's just like it burns everything in sight and leaves 3:09:16.360 --> 3:09:19.560 basically nothing, and it burns off a huge amount of 3:09:19.640 --> 3:09:22.720 carbon stores. So the great thing about controlled burns is 3:09:22.760 --> 3:09:27.240 it very slowly burns off these carbon stores in this 3:09:27.480 --> 3:09:30.520 dead wood, and then it gives it time to re 3:09:30.760 --> 3:09:34.720 grow so that you recapture the carbon rather than just 3:09:34.840 --> 3:09:37.360 like burning all this carbon at once, releasing it all 3:09:37.400 --> 3:09:40.119 at once, and then it's like trying to play catchup. 3:09:40.400 --> 3:09:42.800 It's like if you still like a little bit of 3:09:42.879 --> 3:09:44.920 milk on the table and you use a paper towel 3:09:45.200 --> 3:09:47.680 and wipe it up, it works. But if you just 3:09:47.800 --> 3:09:51.680 like pour out the entire milk jug on the table. Uh, 3:09:52.000 --> 3:09:55.840 you know, on like a sloppy Saturday, just pouring out 3:09:55.920 --> 3:09:57.920 that milk. It's like a paper towel is not gonna 3:09:57.920 --> 3:10:03.800 do anything. That's like trees carbon you know what I'm saying. Yes, yeah, 3:10:05.480 --> 3:10:07.960 I do, I do, I do. I do pick up 3:10:08.080 --> 3:10:11.119 what you are putting down. They say, although I still 3:10:11.160 --> 3:10:14.320 think melk analogy, we should try a controlled burn on. 3:10:14.480 --> 3:10:24.119 Let's say Boston, see how it goes, right, I didn't 3:10:24.160 --> 3:10:26.680 care for it. I didn't care for Boston. Don't see 3:10:26.840 --> 3:10:30.400 how we need it? Even North End, Yeah, I didn't 3:10:30.400 --> 3:10:33.920 care for it. M hm. They've got good Canolis there, though, 3:10:34.320 --> 3:10:36.520 I'm sure they do. You know where else has good Canolis? 3:10:36.920 --> 3:10:41.039 I don't because I don't care for Canoli's either. Okay, well, 3:10:42.160 --> 3:10:48.640 all right, that's uh. I'm actually living in Italy, and 3:10:48.760 --> 3:10:50.480 so if they find out I've been on this podcast, 3:10:50.480 --> 3:10:52.000 I'm going to get kicked out of the Oh you 3:10:52.120 --> 3:10:55.240 need to be yeah, very careful. It's filled with Italians. 3:10:55.440 --> 3:10:57.959 They're everywhere. If you can get up to the Alps, 3:10:58.000 --> 3:11:00.280 there might be some Swiss nearby who can protect. Yeah, 3:11:00.360 --> 3:11:04.400 but it's you're in dangerous territory. I didn't realize their 3:11:04.440 --> 3:11:06.920 Italians here, that's scary. Yeah, it's one of the main 3:11:07.000 --> 3:11:12.040 problems that Italy has. Yeah so uh yeah so. But 3:11:12.240 --> 3:11:17.600 when basically um indigenous tribes had a pretty good system 3:11:17.720 --> 3:11:20.680 of controlled burns in California, and then when you know, 3:11:20.879 --> 3:11:23.840 colonizers came to North America, we were like, hey, stop that. 3:11:24.360 --> 3:11:26.520 In fact, we're gonna make it illegal to do controlled 3:11:26.560 --> 3:11:29.960 burns because that seems dangerous. And they focused on fire 3:11:30.080 --> 3:11:34.680 suppression and protection of timber stores rather than you know, 3:11:35.000 --> 3:11:37.360 paying attention to the way people had been doing this 3:11:37.600 --> 3:11:39.800 for thousands and thousands of years and how it kind 3:11:39.800 --> 3:11:42.120 of worked. And so they just thought like, hey, if 3:11:42.160 --> 3:11:45.320 we just stopped fires from ever happening, they'll never happen. 3:11:45.800 --> 3:11:49.800 But spoilers they just started happening still happen and it's 3:11:49.879 --> 3:11:52.280 worse and they're out of control and they're big problems 3:11:52.320 --> 3:11:57.080 every year. And yeah, learned nothing, yep um. But another 3:11:57.240 --> 3:12:01.000 thing is that we could have learned about controlled burns 3:12:01.240 --> 3:12:04.800 much much earlier if we had decided to listen to 3:12:05.040 --> 3:12:10.840 the Aboriginal people's in northern Australia UM about fire hawks. 3:12:11.480 --> 3:12:16.480 So fire hawks are raptors. That is like birds of 3:12:16.560 --> 3:12:22.360 prey who seemed to either accidentally or intentionally spread wildfire 3:12:22.520 --> 3:12:26.120 by picking up smoldering twigs and sticks from a burning 3:12:26.200 --> 3:12:30.560 area and dropping them elsewhere. And then once they start 3:12:30.720 --> 3:12:34.920 that fire, they watch for all the little scared mice 3:12:35.160 --> 3:12:38.959 and rodents and lizards and just feast upon the fleeing animals. 3:12:39.120 --> 3:12:43.080 It's extremely metal. It does sound like that does sound 3:12:43.200 --> 3:12:49.160 very fun, yeah, uh, And so research published in eighteen 3:12:50.080 --> 3:12:53.959 uh detailed about how three species of birds of prey 3:12:54.040 --> 3:12:56.920 in Australia seemed to do this. But of course this 3:12:57.080 --> 3:13:02.160 is not news because aber original people's have known about 3:13:02.320 --> 3:13:06.920 this for thousands and thousands of years and have documented 3:13:07.000 --> 3:13:11.039 this in their own folklore. There's uh even a ceremony 3:13:11.160 --> 3:13:16.880 called yabada in which people act out birds carrying smoldering branches, 3:13:17.040 --> 3:13:21.920 which sounds amazing, but essentially they are teaching this uh 3:13:22.280 --> 3:13:26.760 sort of naturalist history of sorry of how they have 3:13:26.959 --> 3:13:31.440 seen these uh, these hawks, these fire hawks, carrying these 3:13:31.480 --> 3:13:35.400 burning sticks and distributing it. And if this, if we 3:13:35.520 --> 3:13:37.880 had listened to this, you know, earlier, we may have 3:13:38.080 --> 3:13:42.840 had more research on how you know, maybe these birds 3:13:42.879 --> 3:13:48.160 of prey have been terraforming the Australian out back for 3:13:48.520 --> 3:13:51.520 thousands and thousands of years, and that's really cool and 3:13:51.600 --> 3:13:54.520 it may be really informative, but unfortunately we kind of 3:13:54.600 --> 3:13:59.160 really only decided to start researching in and those researchers 3:13:59.240 --> 3:14:03.240 started doing it because they listened to, uh, these stories 3:14:03.400 --> 3:14:10.760 from the Aboriginal people. So yeah, yeah, I feel like 3:14:10.879 --> 3:14:16.360 everyone should. I feel like everyone should be more okay 3:14:16.480 --> 3:14:20.440 with understanding why folklore exists and what purpose it serves. 3:14:21.280 --> 3:14:24.199 This is this, this is something I got into years 3:14:24.240 --> 3:14:28.720 ago because of the because of the Lower podcast, learning 3:14:28.800 --> 3:14:33.320 about just how folklore influences culture and politics and a 3:14:33.360 --> 3:14:35.960 whole bunch of really interesting and weird ways, And that 3:14:36.160 --> 3:14:38.800 is something I wanted to talk about more because it's 3:14:38.959 --> 3:14:41.920 it's a thing, and folklore is different for us now 3:14:42.000 --> 3:14:44.360 in terms of how we have like a cultural stories, 3:14:44.720 --> 3:14:46.680 but it's it's it's still the same, it's still the 3:14:46.760 --> 3:14:48.680 same purpose and we just couldn't deny it in a 3:14:48.760 --> 3:14:53.640 way that is kind of silly. Yep. Yeah, I think 3:14:53.720 --> 3:14:56.959 there's often this idea of there is a clear distinction 3:14:57.160 --> 3:15:00.840 between fact and folklore, and well, it's true, like we 3:15:00.959 --> 3:15:06.080 can't necessarily just take folklore for at its exact word 3:15:06.200 --> 3:15:08.680 because like it's sort of like a telephone game throughout 3:15:08.760 --> 3:15:11.160 years and years. Folklore is going to take on new 3:15:11.240 --> 3:15:14.760 shapes every generation. But we really should take it seriously 3:15:14.959 --> 3:15:18.600 as a part of very important data set of like 3:15:18.760 --> 3:15:22.800 this is human observational history. Maybe some of it has 3:15:22.920 --> 3:15:27.080 been sort of uh turned into myth, but a lot 3:15:27.120 --> 3:15:31.320 of it could be genuine observation that people are relaying 3:15:31.400 --> 3:15:35.200 over many, many generations, which I think is really important. Well, 3:15:35.400 --> 3:15:41.280 thank you Katie Golden for talking about those those very 3:15:41.400 --> 3:15:44.640 silly Gonzo things that are unfortunately dropping dead at the 3:15:44.680 --> 3:15:49.240 little Gonzo climate change genocide. And then and then the 3:15:49.320 --> 3:15:52.080 other climate change issues are on folklore. Um where where 3:15:52.120 --> 3:15:59.320 can people find you on the old internet in interwebs? Yeah, 3:16:00.440 --> 3:16:03.840 I got a podcast. I don't know if you've heard 3:16:03.879 --> 3:16:07.240 about those. Uh, it's called Creature Feature. And I talk 3:16:07.320 --> 3:16:10.560 about stuff like this all the time about animals. It's 3:16:10.600 --> 3:16:14.000 not always about animals dying in horrible ways, but sometimes 3:16:14.080 --> 3:16:16.520 it is. It's a good mix, you know, it's like 3:16:16.720 --> 3:16:21.280 sometimes animals being alive, sometimes animals being dead. Sometimes some 3:16:21.480 --> 3:16:25.960 animals making other animals dead and interesting way animals, Yeah, 3:16:26.040 --> 3:16:30.560 you can never predict them. Uh, And you know, uh, 3:16:31.160 --> 3:16:33.560 You can find me on Twitter at Katie Golden. That's 3:16:33.640 --> 3:16:35.840 ka E T I E G O L D I 3:16:36.160 --> 3:16:40.039 N uh yeah where I just you know, just posted 3:16:40.120 --> 3:16:46.880 on the Twitter doing that to creature feature. 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So we're we're we're, we're 3:19:06.720 --> 3:19:08.560 we're making sure all of our stuff has a little 3:19:08.560 --> 3:19:11.160 bit of an extra spooky twist. It's like when you 3:19:11.400 --> 3:19:13.680 you make a Martini and you decide to actually put 3:19:13.800 --> 3:19:16.080 vermuth inside it, as opposed to just kind of waving 3:19:16.160 --> 3:19:19.199 it nearby. That's what we're doing this week with Spookiness 3:19:19.480 --> 3:19:24.680 being the vermouth and mixing up our martini. Today is 3:19:25.040 --> 3:19:30.040 Margaret Killjoy, Margaret Hello, Hello, I'm a famous mixologist, so 3:19:30.480 --> 3:19:34.200 clearly this will be very good now Margaret today for 3:19:34.480 --> 3:19:37.480 this very special episode of it could happen here on 3:19:37.720 --> 3:19:41.160 spooky week. You have written us while you've written a 3:19:41.240 --> 3:19:43.960 short story, and you're going to read it and and 3:19:44.320 --> 3:19:47.960 and we're all gonna enjoy it. Is that is that accurate? Um? 3:19:48.120 --> 3:19:50.760 I hope at least I can I can testify to 3:19:50.840 --> 3:19:53.640 the first parts, and I hope for the last part. Excellent. 3:19:54.160 --> 3:19:57.280 All right, Well with without further ado or with minimal 3:19:57.360 --> 3:20:01.200 further ado. Let's uh, let's let's let's you know, with 3:20:01.320 --> 3:20:05.040 the with the stuff, with the stuff, Margaret with the stuff. Well, 3:20:05.160 --> 3:20:07.040 this is great because this is actually a short story 3:20:07.120 --> 3:20:10.520 that you start reading of Oh ship, Yeah, where's that link? 3:20:11.760 --> 3:20:13.360 You tasted it to me? But I don't have my 3:20:13.440 --> 3:20:15.800 phone on me. Okay, let me put it in the 3:20:15.879 --> 3:20:22.320 chat here. Um. Based impressive, to say the least, based 3:20:22.400 --> 3:20:27.920 in fiction. Pilled. Okay, I start reading the italics. Yeah, 3:20:28.040 --> 3:20:30.200 it's the first, a couple of paragraphs of introduction, and 3:20:30.280 --> 3:20:34.920 that you're you're interviewing me. Alright, motherfucker's let's get it started. 3:20:35.959 --> 3:20:40.240 The Northern Host, for all it's lingering horror and misery, 3:20:40.360 --> 3:20:42.240 the wake of a war is rich to reign for 3:20:42.320 --> 3:20:46.879 a folkloreist like myself. More people report more supernatural experiences 3:20:47.000 --> 3:20:49.680 during times of war than times of peace. Some of 3:20:49.760 --> 3:20:52.200 my peers have argued the stress and shock of battle 3:20:52.280 --> 3:20:56.160 leaves our brains more susceptible to mass delusion. Others claim 3:20:56.240 --> 3:20:59.120 that the veil between worlds remains thin when so many 3:20:59.200 --> 3:21:02.720 are passing from life to death. The Second American Civil 3:21:02.760 --> 3:21:06.880 War has been no exception. Most famously, of course, soldiers 3:21:06.959 --> 3:21:09.280 from each of the three armies present at the fifteen 3:21:09.360 --> 3:21:12.119 day Siege of Saint Louis reported a wailing man who 3:21:12.200 --> 3:21:15.520 walked among the wounded, healing some and ending the lives 3:21:15.560 --> 3:21:19.160 of others. On the Cascadian Front, rebel forces spoke of 3:21:19.280 --> 3:21:22.720 black bears, who in effect stood sentry for their guerrilla positions. 3:21:23.360 --> 3:21:27.080 During the White Army's occupation of Washington, d C. Civilians 3:21:27.120 --> 3:21:30.760 and soldiers alike reported apparitions pouring out from the Pentagon 3:21:30.920 --> 3:21:34.400 Crater every new moon. Of all the various myths and 3:21:34.560 --> 3:21:37.440 legends to spring up in the wake of the recent conflict, however, 3:21:37.760 --> 3:21:40.880 I find myself most strongly drawn to the stories of 3:21:40.920 --> 3:21:43.959 the Northern Host. Never have I heard a myth recounted 3:21:44.000 --> 3:21:46.720 in such detail by such a wide variety of people. 3:21:47.560 --> 3:21:50.600 My favorite telling comes from Private Sarah Dollar in the 3:21:50.680 --> 3:21:53.879 Battle of Asheville. This interview was recorded in the spring 3:21:53.959 --> 3:21:56.800 of twenty thirty five and lightly edited for clarity with 3:21:56.920 --> 3:21:59.800 permission of the subject. Note that the subject refers to 3:21:59.879 --> 3:22:03.120 the White Army by pejoratives throughout. These have been left 3:22:03.160 --> 3:22:07.960 intact for the historical record. Could you introduce yourself and 3:22:08.040 --> 3:22:11.440 tell me what you saw. Yeah, my my name is 3:22:11.480 --> 3:22:13.920 Sarah Daher. I'm thirty one years old. I live in 3:22:13.959 --> 3:22:16.160 Asheville and the Appalachian region of the United States of 3:22:16.200 --> 3:22:19.880 America on stolen Cherokee Land. My u S military rank 3:22:20.080 --> 3:22:22.840 was private. They made us all privates when they incorporated 3:22:22.879 --> 3:22:25.480 the irregulars into the army, but I only served in 3:22:25.520 --> 3:22:28.280 the Union to fight the White Army a year later. 3:22:28.600 --> 3:22:30.520 I'm one of those crazy radicals who doesn't think the 3:22:30.600 --> 3:22:34.320 reconfiguration goes far enough. I never fired a gun in 3:22:34.400 --> 3:22:36.320 my life before the Irregulars, and I hope I never 3:22:36.440 --> 3:22:39.520 fired another one again. By temperament, I'm neither a lover 3:22:39.680 --> 3:22:42.360 nor a fighter. I'm just your average trans girl who 3:22:42.520 --> 3:22:46.240 likes cats and hates Nazis. I fought in three engagements 3:22:46.440 --> 3:22:50.600 in Weaverville, Leicester, and Asheville. I think I killed two people. 3:22:51.240 --> 3:22:53.280 One of them I know I killed him. I saw 3:22:53.360 --> 3:22:55.200 him bleed out and I saw him taken away in 3:22:55.240 --> 3:22:57.920 a black bag. The other person was a man I 3:22:57.959 --> 3:23:00.840 shot in the thigh during the Battle of Ashville. I 3:23:00.959 --> 3:23:03.240 didn't know you could die from a bullet in the thigh, 3:23:03.320 --> 3:23:05.720 but I've spent a lot of time looking at casualty records, 3:23:05.800 --> 3:23:08.600 and someone who fit that man's general description died in 3:23:08.680 --> 3:23:11.720 that battle from a bullet to the thigh. Does that 3:23:12.080 --> 3:23:17.200 bother you? Yes? No, I don't know. I don't lose 3:23:17.280 --> 3:23:19.280 sleep over it, but I think about it a lot. 3:23:19.840 --> 3:23:21.520 I look at the docks on both of them. The 3:23:21.600 --> 3:23:23.960 first guy was a true believer, a real blood and 3:23:24.040 --> 3:23:26.800 soil type. It doesn't bother me that I mingled those 3:23:26.840 --> 3:23:30.160 two things for him. The second man, though I'm not 3:23:30.280 --> 3:23:32.920 so sure he signed up because his son signed up. 3:23:33.400 --> 3:23:35.240 I don't have any kids myself, but I could see 3:23:35.280 --> 3:23:39.240 myself doing that. His son survived the war. Have you 3:23:39.360 --> 3:23:42.320 been in contact with his son? No funk. That guy 3:23:42.440 --> 3:23:44.080 that kids a fucking Nazi, and I don't know he 3:23:44.160 --> 3:23:47.400 talked his way out of the tribunals. Can you tell 3:23:47.440 --> 3:23:51.120 me what you saw at the Battle of Asheville. This 3:23:51.280 --> 3:23:53.800 was during the Fascist Spring offensive last year, you know 3:23:54.080 --> 3:23:57.720 Hitler's birthday April. By that point, the White Army was 3:23:57.720 --> 3:23:59.920 pretty much done, but they weren't about to go down 3:24:00.000 --> 3:24:03.240 without doing some major symbolic damage. So there were about 3:24:03.280 --> 3:24:06.080 forty of us, all irregulars, with our own commanders, no 3:24:06.280 --> 3:24:10.360 army oversight. Morale was down. We felt pretty abandoned, common 3:24:10.480 --> 3:24:13.240 sentiment in the South. I was on the street out 3:24:13.240 --> 3:24:16.480 in front of the library, walking rounds. Downtown was half 3:24:16.560 --> 3:24:19.720 rubble at that point. Only the library was standing because 3:24:19.920 --> 3:24:22.600 symbols matter and all that bullshit. So that's where we 3:24:22.680 --> 3:24:26.560 were making a stand. Neither side had artillery really by 3:24:26.600 --> 3:24:29.720 that point, the brass had just commandeered even our RPGs 3:24:29.800 --> 3:24:32.800 for the quote real fight. Air support wasn't coming, not 3:24:32.959 --> 3:24:35.520 for them and not for us. Really, the Battle of 3:24:35.600 --> 3:24:38.200 Ashville was was like nothing to the rest of the world, 3:24:38.680 --> 3:24:41.720 and we knew it. So I was doing the rounds, 3:24:41.920 --> 3:24:44.160 thinking about my ship luck, thinking maybe I was going 3:24:44.240 --> 3:24:46.040 to die, and how so many people had died, and 3:24:46.240 --> 3:24:48.800 what's another dead girl to add to the pile. I 3:24:48.920 --> 3:24:50.680 was thinking about how at least this dead girl is 3:24:50.680 --> 3:24:53.199 going to die surrounded by or in defense of books. 3:24:54.440 --> 3:24:56.760 And then I heard dogs from around the side of 3:24:56.800 --> 3:24:59.800 the building. One barked loud and near, the other sort 3:24:59.840 --> 3:25:02.879 of distant and echoy. I went to check it out. 3:25:03.000 --> 3:25:06.200 Turned the corner and there was this naked guy. He 3:25:06.320 --> 3:25:09.000 was pale as hell, tall, tattooed and scarred, and like 3:25:09.080 --> 3:25:11.680 I said, he was naked as the sun. I stared 3:25:11.720 --> 3:25:14.959 at him, he stared at me. I got so distracted 3:25:15.000 --> 3:25:16.400 trying to figure him out that it took me a 3:25:16.440 --> 3:25:19.120 moment to realize there were nine others behind him, or 3:25:19.160 --> 3:25:22.560 maybe they weren't there at first, I don't know. Most 3:25:22.600 --> 3:25:25.800 of them were men, mostly of the tall, Norse looking variety, 3:25:25.879 --> 3:25:28.160 but there was a Middle Eastern man and three women, 3:25:28.320 --> 3:25:31.840 including one who by my read was Latin X. No 3:25:32.040 --> 3:25:35.040 dogs anywhere that I could see. The man closest to me, 3:25:35.160 --> 3:25:37.040 he asked me something in a language I didn't know. 3:25:37.760 --> 3:25:40.360 I just kind of stared. He asked me another question 3:25:40.480 --> 3:25:45.560 in another language. What I asked? Who are you? Who 3:25:45.640 --> 3:25:48.400 are we fighting? He asked? His accent was thick, and 3:25:48.440 --> 3:25:50.600 I couldn't place it for the life of me. I mean, 3:25:50.720 --> 3:25:52.880 I know now, but I sure as ship didn't know 3:25:52.959 --> 3:25:56.320 it then we I asked what I was due back 3:25:56.360 --> 3:25:58.360 out front, because I was a century doing the rounds 3:25:58.400 --> 3:26:00.920 and this sure needed reporting. But what the hell was 3:26:00.959 --> 3:26:04.480 I going to tell? People? Who were we fighting? Where 3:26:04.520 --> 3:26:08.880 are we? You're in Asheville? Who are you? Ah? The 3:26:08.959 --> 3:26:12.959 American conflict, the man said behind him, others nodded. Their 3:26:13.000 --> 3:26:16.600 movements were sloppy, dream like they were drunk. I later 3:26:16.720 --> 3:26:19.480 realized one of them had dried blood running down from 3:26:19.520 --> 3:26:23.680 her lip onto a not insubstantial belly. You're fighting the nationalists, 3:26:23.760 --> 3:26:27.280 the first one said, We're here to help you. Who 3:26:27.360 --> 3:26:30.680 are you? I asked this third time he actually answered, 3:26:31.320 --> 3:26:33.520 my name is bell Gear. We are the dead. We 3:26:33.640 --> 3:26:37.160 are the Eynhyar from Valhalla. Every day we are sent 3:26:37.240 --> 3:26:40.600 to a battle to fight, and we die. The others 3:26:40.680 --> 3:26:45.880 behind him nodded, definitely drunk. Now, I know there were 3:26:45.959 --> 3:26:48.320 good folks on our side who were into European paganism, 3:26:48.360 --> 3:26:49.920 but you have to understand that a lot more of 3:26:49.959 --> 3:26:52.720 the fashion were into that ship than anybody else. If 3:26:52.800 --> 3:26:55.520 they hadn't been naked and drunk, I might have mistaken 3:26:55.560 --> 3:26:59.360 them for the enemy and shot them Valhalla, I said, 3:26:59.440 --> 3:27:02.800 reciting the tiny But I knew that's where Vikings go 3:27:02.920 --> 3:27:05.720 if they die in battle, feast every day and fight 3:27:05.840 --> 3:27:09.080 every night in Odin's hall until the end of the world, 3:27:09.120 --> 3:27:12.160 where you like also fight and die but wolf feeds 3:27:12.200 --> 3:27:16.240 the sun or something close enough, Belgar said. I mean, 3:27:16.640 --> 3:27:19.199 Odin only gets half the battle dead, and Viking isn't 3:27:19.200 --> 3:27:22.720 a good name for us. But sure, and you're here 3:27:22.800 --> 3:27:26.039 because we are to take arms alongside you, fight your 3:27:26.120 --> 3:27:30.080 enemies and die today, and are going to die today. 3:27:30.879 --> 3:27:34.560 Only the seers and the gods know that. I've been 3:27:34.600 --> 3:27:36.680 calling myself a witch half of my life, but honestly 3:27:36.760 --> 3:27:38.840 that was mostly because I like taro and astrology and 3:27:38.920 --> 3:27:41.520 panagrams and ship. I've never been someone who took the 3:27:41.560 --> 3:27:44.760 supernatural all that seriously. But nothing in the world made 3:27:44.760 --> 3:27:47.480 sense like it used to. Fascists had just been driven 3:27:47.560 --> 3:27:50.000 out of d C. Cascadia had not only succeeded, but 3:27:50.120 --> 3:27:52.560 was in a civil war of its own. Now Mexico 3:27:52.680 --> 3:27:54.960 was gone and replaced by self governing states of almost 3:27:55.000 --> 3:27:57.920 every stripe in the political rainbow. China had backed white 3:27:57.959 --> 3:28:00.440 supremacists and other nationalist types, and in Amry in civil 3:28:00.520 --> 3:28:04.400 war and anti government leftists were fighting alongside weirdos like 3:28:04.520 --> 3:28:07.400 me in the damn u s Army. I can't say 3:28:07.480 --> 3:28:10.080 those things were as weird as naked dead don't call 3:28:10.200 --> 3:28:13.119 us vikings talking to me in the street. But somehow 3:28:13.160 --> 3:28:17.039 all of that was just comparably bizarre. Come let us 3:28:17.120 --> 3:28:19.640 arm ourselves and fight together. You and I belger said. 3:28:20.560 --> 3:28:23.000 So that's how I met the Northern host. Most people 3:28:23.000 --> 3:28:24.800 don't believe me, assume it was just some kind of 3:28:24.879 --> 3:28:27.840 drunk wing nuts, maybe some irregulars I've never met before. 3:28:28.320 --> 3:28:29.920 But I saw what I saw, and I believe it. 3:28:30.520 --> 3:28:32.640 The rest of us who survived they saw it too. 3:28:34.120 --> 3:28:37.840 And how did it go? Yeah? Pardon the battle? How 3:28:37.920 --> 3:28:40.960 did it go? We got the inn here yard into 3:28:41.000 --> 3:28:43.959 irregular's garb and armed them. There were plenty of guns 3:28:44.040 --> 3:28:48.080 at that point in the forgotten hellhole up front, Bullets 3:28:48.200 --> 3:28:51.360 not so much but plenty of guns. They were all 3:28:51.400 --> 3:28:53.960 comfortable with firearms. The one fellow groused about what he 3:28:53.959 --> 3:28:56.360 wouldn't do for an axe and shield, and another said 3:28:56.440 --> 3:28:59.400 what we had was fine, but monofilament web guns were 3:28:59.440 --> 3:29:02.600 better than any combat shotgun. To hear them, tell it, 3:29:02.920 --> 3:29:04.760 funk it? Why am I pretending like I don't believe them? 3:29:05.160 --> 3:29:06.760 I believe them with every bit of my soul, and 3:29:06.800 --> 3:29:08.560 damn what people think of me for it. The Northern 3:29:08.600 --> 3:29:11.000 Host fight every night and every night. They are in 3:29:11.040 --> 3:29:13.879 a different time and place. Most battles in human history 3:29:13.959 --> 3:29:17.000 were in the past, they said, which sounds optimistic, doesn't it. 3:29:17.480 --> 3:29:19.160 But they said they fought in every century up to 3:29:20.840 --> 3:29:25.600 nothing happens after the century Ragnarok most likely the end 3:29:25.600 --> 3:29:27.320 of the world, wolves eating the sun and the moon. 3:29:27.440 --> 3:29:31.320 All that. They stood guard out with me out front. 3:29:31.800 --> 3:29:34.440 Around midday we got hit with an e MP. We 3:29:34.560 --> 3:29:36.520 knew that was coming. It didn't screw us up much. 3:29:36.600 --> 3:29:39.080 We had a hardened phone in the basement, and all 3:29:39.120 --> 3:29:41.280 our weapons operated just as well in dumb mode a 3:29:41.360 --> 3:29:45.360 smart mode, including our own e MPs. The White Army 3:29:45.400 --> 3:29:48.320 showed up maybe a hundred men, all men. That's their 3:29:48.320 --> 3:29:50.600 whole stick. They came in on motorcycles and a t 3:29:50.680 --> 3:29:54.119 v s and horses more stick, Like, how fucking folksy 3:29:54.240 --> 3:29:56.400 they are. We hit them with the m e mp 3:29:56.560 --> 3:29:58.440 s anyway, level the field, took out the a t 3:29:58.560 --> 3:30:02.000 v s, the bikes were retrofitted, no electric and a horse. 3:30:02.160 --> 3:30:05.039 You can't imp a horse. I don't know if there 3:30:05.080 --> 3:30:06.960 was a skirmish in that war that didn't start with 3:30:07.040 --> 3:30:09.680 both sides ritually knocking the other one back to basically 3:30:09.720 --> 3:30:12.880 the twentieth century. I think the tactical e MP is 3:30:12.920 --> 3:30:16.160 the reason there's anything left of this country. We took 3:30:16.200 --> 3:30:18.040 a few pot shots while they were still at range, 3:30:18.080 --> 3:30:20.160 but we didn't have the AMMO to waste on anything else. 3:30:20.640 --> 3:30:23.440 I don't think we did any damage. They took up 3:30:23.480 --> 3:30:25.360 position further up the hill and the ruins of the 3:30:25.400 --> 3:30:30.280 old Basilica. Then we waited. We should have mined the church. 3:30:31.000 --> 3:30:33.120 That old thing was blown half to ship. Anyway, It 3:30:33.120 --> 3:30:35.040 wouldn't have made the world any worse if we'd either 3:30:35.160 --> 3:30:39.080 leveled it or hidden explosives throughout. But you know, ethical 3:30:39.240 --> 3:30:42.840 war or whatever, don't mind churches. The other side leveled 3:30:42.879 --> 3:30:45.880 every mosques, synagogue and quote heretic church. They got their 3:30:45.879 --> 3:30:48.600 hands on, not to mention libraries and universities and even 3:30:48.600 --> 3:30:51.840 the goddamn Statue of Liberty because they had immigrants. But 3:30:52.000 --> 3:30:54.360 we were supposed to be fighting a quote ethical war. 3:30:55.120 --> 3:30:58.160 Those two words don't got nothing to do with one another, 3:30:58.320 --> 3:31:01.200 and everyone knows it. So they hold up in the 3:31:01.200 --> 3:31:03.360 basilica and we pulled back into the library and we 3:31:03.440 --> 3:31:05.920 had one of those good old fashioned standoffs where people 3:31:05.959 --> 3:31:10.200 die slowly from sniper fire and everything is awful. That's 3:31:10.240 --> 3:31:12.920 when Laura got shot right in the head because we 3:31:13.040 --> 3:31:15.160 missed a spot when we bullet proof of the facade. 3:31:15.720 --> 3:31:19.160 She's dead. She had natural red hair, but she always 3:31:19.200 --> 3:31:21.560 died at redder and her favorite show was Buffy the 3:31:21.640 --> 3:31:23.840 Vampire Slayer, and she liked to drink water out of 3:31:23.879 --> 3:31:28.120 long stem glasses. She was I think she was thirty seven, 3:31:28.720 --> 3:31:33.800 way past rafting age. She volunteered. It was her first engagement. 3:31:34.400 --> 3:31:37.480 She was only there because she loved books, had plenty 3:31:37.520 --> 3:31:39.520 of time to avoid looking at her corpse while she 3:31:39.640 --> 3:31:42.440 was in there with us dead. Dwight was another one 3:31:42.440 --> 3:31:44.600 of my friends in the unit, one of my favorite people, 3:31:44.680 --> 3:31:47.280 hands down, total weirdo, and he was all obsessed with 3:31:47.360 --> 3:31:50.240 that Viking ship in Dark Ages in general. Both his 3:31:50.320 --> 3:31:52.440 parents had come over from Sweden, though his dad was 3:31:52.480 --> 3:31:56.080 originally from Nigeria. Dwight had one degree in medieval studies 3:31:56.080 --> 3:31:58.400 in another African history, and I I can't tell you 3:31:58.480 --> 3:32:01.120 how many times during basic run down the details of 3:32:01.200 --> 3:32:04.039 this or that ancient battle, whether in Europe or Africa. 3:32:04.480 --> 3:32:06.720 If there were guns involved, he didn't care about it. 3:32:06.800 --> 3:32:09.039 But if there were swords and armor or spears and shields, 3:32:09.320 --> 3:32:12.240 he was all in. He started talking to the Vikings. 3:32:12.360 --> 3:32:14.800 First thing. He was the first person to believe them, 3:32:14.879 --> 3:32:17.920 to to really believe them, and his faith was contagious. 3:32:18.520 --> 3:32:21.880 While we were pinned down, he asked them everything. Mostly 3:32:22.000 --> 3:32:25.120 they were quiet, even taciturn, but there was one thing 3:32:25.160 --> 3:32:28.440 they were very insistent on and that I overheard them 3:32:28.520 --> 3:32:32.920 talking about Nazis don't go to Valhalla. But why not? 3:32:33.080 --> 3:32:35.959 Dwight asked, It takes two things to go to Valhalla. 3:32:36.080 --> 3:32:38.560 The spokesperson said, you have to die in battle and 3:32:38.640 --> 3:32:41.560 you have to venerate odin a bunch of those fuckers 3:32:41.680 --> 3:32:45.680 or oldness. He said, no, they aren't. Their nationalist, fascist, 3:32:45.800 --> 3:32:48.360 racial separatists. They're all kinds of things, but they don't 3:32:48.440 --> 3:32:52.440 venerate Odin. Whatever they think, What do you mean? They 3:32:52.480 --> 3:32:55.280 only know one half of Odin. They know the masculine side, 3:32:55.320 --> 3:32:59.800 the heterosexual side, the Christian side. They worship a bastardization 3:32:59.840 --> 3:33:02.640 of our God, a bastardization first created by a nationalist 3:33:02.720 --> 3:33:06.120 Christian eight hundred years ago that's only gotten further afield 3:33:06.200 --> 3:33:10.120 since our Odin practices women's magic, the magic of these 3:33:10.320 --> 3:33:14.000 sexually penetrated. We also worshiped female gods of war, and 3:33:14.080 --> 3:33:16.200 male gods of the hearth, and gods who change their 3:33:16.240 --> 3:33:20.040 gender when they're bored. Nazis don't understand that any of it. 3:33:20.680 --> 3:33:24.080 In life, we raided, sometimes traded, other times. We also 3:33:24.120 --> 3:33:26.959 did all sorts of things that won't fit your modern sensibilities, 3:33:27.560 --> 3:33:29.840 things that were I alive you might kill me for. 3:33:30.720 --> 3:33:33.160 But we're not Nazis. And people who worship a Christian 3:33:33.240 --> 3:33:36.600 version of our God most certainly do not go to Valhalla. 3:33:38.240 --> 3:33:39.959 It was as if the man had used up every 3:33:40.000 --> 3:33:42.400 word allotted to him for the day, because I don't 3:33:42.440 --> 3:33:44.840 believe a one of them spoke again before the battle 3:33:44.920 --> 3:33:50.200 began in earnest And how long was that another hour? 3:33:50.360 --> 3:33:52.959 Maybe the sun was still right overhead when the white 3:33:53.040 --> 3:33:56.200 army rushed us. It was a bullshit move, rushing us 3:33:56.680 --> 3:33:59.360 one part over confidence in one part desperation. If you 3:33:59.400 --> 3:34:02.160 can imagine that they knew they were losing the war 3:34:02.280 --> 3:34:04.400 at that point, but they had us more than two 3:34:04.480 --> 3:34:07.280 to one, and we all know that KKK commanders don't 3:34:07.280 --> 3:34:10.280 give two ships about the lives of their men. That's 3:34:10.320 --> 3:34:12.800 when I put a bullet on a man's leg while 3:34:12.840 --> 3:34:15.480 he was in the street running. It was a good shot. 3:34:15.920 --> 3:34:18.200 He was running, and I led the target and everything. 3:34:18.760 --> 3:34:21.199 I've been aiming for center body mass, but but still 3:34:21.720 --> 3:34:24.000 at least a hundred yards against a moving target. I 3:34:24.120 --> 3:34:25.720 was proud of that shot at the time on a 3:34:25.800 --> 3:34:28.320 technical level, even if I'm not sure i'm proud of 3:34:28.360 --> 3:34:31.360 it anymore now that I know the man's name. We 3:34:31.520 --> 3:34:34.560 expected the charge. What we didn't expect was the ordinance 3:34:34.600 --> 3:34:37.960 that knocked the reinforced front off its hinges. But that happened, 3:34:38.000 --> 3:34:39.920 and almost all the fighting happened right there on the 3:34:39.959 --> 3:34:43.160 first floor, among the empty shelves. The whole thing felt 3:34:43.200 --> 3:34:46.000 like it lasted half an hour. I've looked it up since, 3:34:46.560 --> 3:34:48.320 from the time of the first blast at the time 3:34:48.360 --> 3:34:51.280 the last shot was fired, we're talking about three minutes. 3:34:51.280 --> 3:34:54.879 In twelve seconds, we thought they were going to pour 3:34:55.000 --> 3:34:57.120 in through the door after they blew it the funk off. 3:34:57.520 --> 3:34:59.959 So James got in there with our one functioning automatic 3:35:00.000 --> 3:35:01.560 and he took at least ten of the fashion down 3:35:01.640 --> 3:35:04.400 with him before someone got him in the neck. It 3:35:04.520 --> 3:35:06.000 was a faint and they blew a hole in the 3:35:06.040 --> 3:35:08.400 side of the building. Well, well that was going on, 3:35:08.600 --> 3:35:11.200 and that's where they got in close quarters combat as 3:35:11.200 --> 3:35:14.320 a whole different beast, a worse one, maybe maybe a 3:35:14.400 --> 3:35:17.320 better one. I go back on fourth on that. Sometimes 3:35:17.360 --> 3:35:20.000 instead of sleeping, I think about the pros and cons 3:35:20.080 --> 3:35:22.720 of various types of absolute horror. Is it better to 3:35:22.760 --> 3:35:24.840 see your death coming or to get picked off without 3:35:24.920 --> 3:35:27.760 knowing it? I would have thought the Vikings would expend 3:35:27.800 --> 3:35:31.840 themselves right off. I mean Vikings. They were starting to 3:35:31.879 --> 3:35:34.560 sober up by that point, but still they'd been drinking, 3:35:35.080 --> 3:35:37.400 and they were already dead, and they were doomed to die. 3:35:38.040 --> 3:35:40.960 But they were smarter than that, never risked themselves unnecessarily. 3:35:41.879 --> 3:35:44.199 Your next assumption of a comrade you know is doomed 3:35:44.280 --> 3:35:47.280 is that they'll sacrifice themselves to save others. None of 3:35:47.320 --> 3:35:50.000 that either. They knew they were the best trained soldiers 3:35:50.080 --> 3:35:52.440 on the field, and that in order for us to win, 3:35:52.879 --> 3:35:54.280 they had to be in the fight as long as 3:35:54.360 --> 3:35:57.760 they could. They were smart like that, assholes like that. 3:35:58.600 --> 3:36:01.520 I stationed myself in the back. I fancy myself more 3:36:01.560 --> 3:36:03.960 of a sniper than the assault sort, so I watched 3:36:04.000 --> 3:36:06.640 the whole thing go down. I also only hit three 3:36:06.720 --> 3:36:09.280 targets out of a hundred and seventeen bullets I fired. 3:36:09.800 --> 3:36:13.400 But that's another story. I watched us whin. We took 3:36:13.440 --> 3:36:17.000 casualties of fifty percent, half of those were Kia, but 3:36:17.120 --> 3:36:19.840 we defeated a force twice our strength. I watched the 3:36:19.879 --> 3:36:23.080 inn hangar bayonet men and shoot them, and I saw 3:36:23.200 --> 3:36:25.320 one of the Viking women break a man's face apart 3:36:25.400 --> 3:36:28.600 with her fists. Soon after, a bullet found her heart 3:36:28.640 --> 3:36:31.960 and she collapsed with a smile on her lips. She disappeared, 3:36:32.400 --> 3:36:35.680 like literally she phased out of existence. Being me up, Scotty. 3:36:36.600 --> 3:36:38.720 We pushed them back onto the pavement, And when I 3:36:38.840 --> 3:36:41.080 say we, I'm honestly not being fair because I didn't 3:36:41.080 --> 3:36:44.080 do much of it myself. We had them scattered and running, 3:36:44.480 --> 3:36:48.000 most of them. Dwight was out there waving a pistol 3:36:48.040 --> 3:36:50.600 in one hand and swinging a wooden stock rifle like 3:36:50.680 --> 3:36:53.240 a club in the other. A Viking with a shotgun 3:36:53.320 --> 3:36:56.280 stood beside him. I think the same fashy little ship 3:36:56.440 --> 3:36:58.760 killed them both, maybe in the same three round burst. 3:36:59.520 --> 3:37:01.720 I tagged Fashion in his belly, and his friends helped 3:37:01.800 --> 3:37:05.080 him get away, and the remaining Nazis ran. He survived 3:37:05.120 --> 3:37:07.720 his wound. Why do we have so much information about 3:37:07.720 --> 3:37:09.760 the war? Does it do me any good to know 3:37:09.879 --> 3:37:14.760 who I killed and who I didn't? And Dwight. Dwight 3:37:14.879 --> 3:37:18.320 lay alone in the concrete, face down. There wasn't much blood, 3:37:18.400 --> 3:37:21.240 but he was dead. Two ravens sat atop him, one 3:37:21.320 --> 3:37:24.040 on each shoulder. I've never seen a raven in Asheville 3:37:24.080 --> 3:37:26.840 in my life, not before, not since. There were two 3:37:26.879 --> 3:37:29.400 of them, as big as people say those things are. 3:37:30.320 --> 3:37:33.560 They barked and they sounded like dogs. One was loud, 3:37:34.160 --> 3:37:37.359 like it was right where I was. The other was distant, echoing. 3:37:37.879 --> 3:37:40.480 Then they flew away, directly up and towards the sun, 3:37:40.920 --> 3:37:42.640 and I tried to watch to see where they went, 3:37:42.800 --> 3:37:44.600 but you can't look directly at the sun like that. 3:37:45.520 --> 3:37:48.720 I looked back down and Dwight was gone. Okay, so 3:37:48.879 --> 3:37:51.040 his body was still there, but there was there was 3:37:51.160 --> 3:37:53.120 something about him that was gone, and I don't know 3:37:53.120 --> 3:37:55.920 how to tell you what it was. That that was 3:37:56.000 --> 3:37:59.720 that we won sort of. They didn't storm the library, 3:38:00.280 --> 3:38:03.280 guess means we won. But sometimes I'd think I'd burn 3:38:03.360 --> 3:38:05.280 every single book in that place. It would bring back 3:38:05.360 --> 3:38:07.400 Lord or Dwight or any of the rest of my friends. 3:38:08.200 --> 3:38:09.920 The war was over at that point, even if we 3:38:09.959 --> 3:38:12.080 didn't know it yet. So what did they die for? 3:38:12.840 --> 3:38:15.880 I guess for symbols. Maybe symbols matter that much. I 3:38:16.320 --> 3:38:20.360 don't know. I deserted after that. Half the survivors of 3:38:20.360 --> 3:38:22.360 the Battle of Asheville died less than a week later 3:38:22.440 --> 3:38:24.959 up in Pittsburgh. And I suppose I'd be dead if 3:38:25.000 --> 3:38:27.320 I had gone, And it probably makes me a coward 3:38:27.400 --> 3:38:30.119 that I didn't. It's not that I was afraid of dying. 3:38:30.800 --> 3:38:33.720 It's that I was afraid of dying in battle because 3:38:33.760 --> 3:38:36.480 I believe in Odin. Now it's hard not to believe 3:38:36.520 --> 3:38:39.280 in a god without venerating him. I don't want to 3:38:39.320 --> 3:38:42.200 go to Valhalla. I don't want to fight ever again, 3:38:42.360 --> 3:38:44.880 let alone every night. I don't want to serve with 3:38:44.959 --> 3:38:46.680 the iron and yard at the twilight of the gods 3:38:46.760 --> 3:38:49.520 sometime in the twenty fifth century. If I don't want 3:38:49.560 --> 3:38:51.240 to do that, then I don't want to die in 3:38:51.320 --> 3:38:55.760 battle Dwight, though I expect he's happy. I expect he 3:38:55.840 --> 3:38:57.840 dies every day with a smile on his lips and 3:38:57.959 --> 3:39:01.360 meat in his belly. He won't have to fight alongside 3:39:01.360 --> 3:39:03.880 the monsters of the human race either, because, as I 3:39:04.000 --> 3:39:08.640 learned in Nashville, Nazis don't go to Valhalla. All right, 3:39:10.760 --> 3:39:15.119 that was awesome, Margaret, Thank you. Yeah, thanks Dan. I'll 3:39:15.160 --> 3:39:20.160 put a bunch of applause noise here because translating over 3:39:20.959 --> 3:39:24.320 yeah as an end and and uh an air horn 3:39:24.800 --> 3:39:29.480 stick an. I don't think the air horn is going 3:39:29.520 --> 3:39:37.120 to be that as Garrison air horn. Thank you, Thank 3:39:37.200 --> 3:39:41.840 you Garrison. Margaret, Um, how long ago did you write that? 3:39:42.879 --> 3:39:48.680 I wrote that I believe in seventeen maybe. Yeah, Well 3:39:48.800 --> 3:39:56.440 it's not gotten less relevant. Yeah, man, I uh, there's 3:39:56.480 --> 3:39:59.160 definitely some times where I've I've wished for a platoon 3:39:59.240 --> 3:40:06.200 of vikings uh to deal with some ship. Yeah. Uh, 3:40:07.360 --> 3:40:09.880 well this has been it could happen here and this 3:40:10.000 --> 3:40:13.080 has been spooky week. I hope you enjoyed this scary 3:40:13.200 --> 3:40:15.840 story that's also relevant to our theme. Of collapse, Margaret, 3:40:16.480 --> 3:40:19.480 you want to tell the people where they can find you. Yeah, 3:40:19.560 --> 3:40:22.119 I'm on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy. I'm on Instagram 3:40:22.200 --> 3:40:25.280 at Margaret kill Joy. I'm on Patreon at patreon dot 3:40:25.320 --> 3:40:28.400 com slash Margaret Killjoy, where this story and many other 3:40:28.480 --> 3:40:31.520 stories are available for anyone who sponsors me at a 3:40:31.560 --> 3:40:33.240 dollar a month. Then if you make less money than 3:40:33.280 --> 3:40:35.040 I do, then just message me and I'll give you 3:40:35.040 --> 3:40:38.199 all my ship for free. And I have an upcome 3:40:38.240 --> 3:40:40.120 because you've asked me to plug things and I'm definitely 3:40:40.160 --> 3:40:43.720 just gonna go ahead and plug things. Um. I have 3:40:43.840 --> 3:40:45.880 a book coming out from a K Proces. It's a 3:40:45.959 --> 3:40:48.680 reissue of my anarchist utopian book, A Country of Ghosts. 3:40:48.760 --> 3:40:52.160 If you like my very I like writing war stories, 3:40:52.200 --> 3:40:54.400 but I specifically like writing war stories that are actually 3:40:54.400 --> 3:40:57.480 sad and how about how war is horrible? Um, and 3:40:57.640 --> 3:41:00.560 so A Country Ghosts is such a book and this 3:41:00.760 --> 3:41:03.640 story will eventually I'm excited to say I just signed 3:41:03.680 --> 3:41:05.960 a contract for a K Press is going to put 3:41:05.959 --> 3:41:08.640 out a story anthology of mine which will include this. 3:41:09.000 --> 3:41:15.760 Yeah that sounds incredibly rad Yes, great publisher. Yeah, not 3:41:15.959 --> 3:41:19.760 biased at all in that. No, no, no, nor towards 3:41:19.800 --> 3:41:26.560 stories of the Second American Civil War with superior I've 3:41:26.600 --> 3:41:31.160 been introduced to just today. UM, all right, we'll check 3:41:31.240 --> 3:41:39.520 out Margaret's book Parentheses. 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