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Speaker 1: Robert Evans here and I wanted to let you know.

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Speaker 1: This is a compiletion episode. So every episode of the

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Speaker 1: week that just happened is here in one convenient and

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Speaker 1: listening to the episodes every day this week, there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be nothing new here for you, but you can make

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Speaker 1: your own decisions. Wellcome to spook Oooky Week, a week

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Speaker 1: and like ghosts and ghoules are are a lot more fun. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: West reanimat or have some fun um. But if you

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of spooky content for you this week.

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Speaker 1: How was that? How was that introduction? Sophie? Oh bad?

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Speaker 1: All right, Garrison, get going do your thing? Yeah, my

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Speaker 1: It is actually gonna be more fun because this the

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Speaker 1: is the first theme week. Um, we have we we have.

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Speaker 1: Like they think this this is just the world now,

423
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: like this is just one of those Anton Wilson, who

424
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: is a thinker I enjoy a lot, writes a lot

425
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: about how to calm people down when they've taken too much,

426
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: and most of his advices around talking about like, okay,

427
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: well how long ago did you take it? Hey, well

428
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: that the good news is that this is going to

429
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: end here you know it's only gonna last this long,

430
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: like you're you're through this point. Oh, this is the

431
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: this is the second hour, freakies, and by the third

432
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: hour you'll be fine again and enjoying it. Like it's

433
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: all about making keeping in people's minds like this is

434
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: going to pass. So yeah, you're right, Like this is

435
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: the fucking worst way to take drugs. Alright, So local

436
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: newspapers uh and also like in national newspapers described described

437
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: this as a among the stricken delirium rose patients thrash

438
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: wildly on their beds, screaming that red flowers were blossoming

439
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: from their bodies, people throwing themselves some rooftops, men and

440
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: women throwing their clothes off and running in the streets naked,

441
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: and children complaining their stomachs were infested with coils and snakes.

442
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: Which I mean, half of that sounds like, yeah, that's

443
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: like a normal good time just running around the streets

444
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: naked on acid. Other I was like, yeah, that that

445
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: doesn't seem pleasant with coils and snakes in your stomach,

446
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 1: but also like flowers blossoming fund your body. I can,

447
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: I can, I can understand that kind of sensation. Um,

448
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: but like it definitely definitely wasn't all horrible and the

449
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: night like nightmare we were. We already mentioned the giddy

450
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: people with burning anuses, um, but for like the full

451
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: and tripping folks. According to the New York Times, there's

452
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: reports of people like hearing heavenly choruses and seeing you know,

453
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: bright colors the world look beautiful to them. Apparently the

454
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: head of the farming co op wrote hundreds of pages

455
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: of like enlightened tripping poetry. That that guy must be

456
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: sick as ship because knowing nothing, he starts tripping. Not

457
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: knowing he's tripping. It's just like time to make some

458
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: fucking art. You know what, this head state is good

459
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: for writing some ship. He just went to his cabinets

460
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 1: wrote poetry. That's fucking awesome. That's a guy. I'll bet

461
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: he handled just everything that life through it. Well, Like

462
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: that says a lot about you when you're like, oh,

463
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: demons have infiltrated my brain. Yes, I'm gonna hang out

464
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: in my cabin and write some poems hundreds of pages. Wow,

465
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: like I could. I can hardly write ship on acid.

466
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine trying to write poetry. I've done a

467
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: lot of creative stuff on acid. Creative stuff. Yeah, I

468
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: just feel like specifically, like reading and typing can can

469
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: be hard at certain points. You know, if if you're

470
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: like coming down that it can be easier. But like

471
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: a good for like writing, it's good for ideas that

472
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: you later can flesh out into writing. But yeah, so unfortunately,

473
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, because this was you know, no one who

474
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: was going on. Many people were taken to local asylums

475
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: in straight jackets and tied onto beds, making things undoubtedly

476
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: worse for people tripping. It's one of those things I

477
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: can't even be angry at them because like they don't

478
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: know what's going you know, like you no idea what's

479
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: going on the whole, Like every attemptant restraint increase the

480
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: agitation line. It's like horrifying from the concept of like

481
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: you're tripping, you do you do? You don't know what's

482
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: going on, and people are tying you down to beds,

483
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: making you feel like you're even more stuck in this

484
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: permanent set of delirium. It's just it's just it is

485
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: the worst nightmare. Yeah, if this is horrible, The mayor

486
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: of the town said, like, I've seen healthy men and

487
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: women suddenly become terrorized, ripping in their bed sheets, hiding

488
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: themselves beneath their blankets to escape their hallucinations. So yeah,

489
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: it's it's if you, if you, if you don't know

490
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: what's going on, pretty pretty pretty scary, except for the

491
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: poetry guy. Good for him, yeah, good for him. Um yeah, so,

492
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: but by by the time the effects had subsided for

493
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: everyone affected, which is around like a few days after

494
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: the initial reported like nausea, like you know, not it

495
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: didn't affect everyone at the same time. You know, some

496
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: people got dosed later on. It's it's it's unclear what

497
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: exactly because it's of the fifties, we didn't have a

498
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: great idea of the exact timeline of events of like

499
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: when the first effects were felt and like how all

500
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: the was spaced out. But this whole instant arrassed lasted

501
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: around like a few days for like everyone, everyone totaled. UM.

502
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: It was supported that anywhere between like three hundred and

503
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: five hundred people had felt the effects UM, you know,

504
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: around fifty feeling very very extreme like open i like

505
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: hallucinations of objects that aren't even there, like like very

506
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: extreme hallucinations. UM. And and four people did die in

507
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: connection to the poisoning UM at least where people died.

508
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: It's again it's unclear for exact numbers for a lot

509
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: of this stuff. UM. An investigation into the sudden outbreak

510
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: of the madness was probably underway. Town officials wanted to

511
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this as quickly as possible.

512
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: Do you want to figure out what was happening? Um,

513
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: and the blame fell onto a single batch of bread,

514
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: so among the common denominator among those affected that they

515
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: all allegedly consumed bread from one specific baker. He was

516
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: accused of using er got contaminated rye flower, and he

517
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: was arrested and a temporarily imprisoned um. Also, a nearby

518
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: miller that he got the flower from was also arrested

519
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: and given some of the blame um. The funny part

520
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: is that around this time, the French government had a

521
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: very top down grain distribution system that originally controlled everything

522
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: about where the grains were milled, where they were sent,

523
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: and what bakers could use which flower, so bakers had

524
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: no choice and what type of flower to use or

525
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: what kind of a grain they could use some baking.

526
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: It was all decided by other people because France bread

527
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: is like real big deal and pretty pretty pretty important. Yeah,

528
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: for the record, just like air got poisoning. There are

529
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: a lot of cases of like different like dancing manias

530
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: and whatnot in like the medieval in medieval Europe, or

531
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: like whole towns will be well, everyone will start like

532
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: dancing or like hallucinating, and you know they always came

533
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: down as like these people assumed apocryphal of stories about

534
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: like demon possessions or whatnot. And now a lot of

535
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: the suspicion is like, oh yeah, some air god gotten No,

536
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was just poisoning. It seems like

537
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: one of the rougher trips to go on. It's not

538
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: super clean, it's no. I mean I've done L s A,

539
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: which I think is similar and similar to their tripp

540
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: to means that are like really rough in it's I

541
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: would not don't don't do L s A. No. Hawaiian

542
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: baby wood roase seeds for if you're going to take

543
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: L s A, than actually like synthesizing, which is fel um.

544
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: But you can just buy Hawaiian baby wood roase seeds

545
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: and eat them and you will have maybe the worst

546
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: trip of your life. Great advice from the from the

547
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: pod um. So yeah, on on on on the on

548
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: the On the rye and ergot topic, the past growing

549
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: season was especially wet and orgot fun guy did grow

550
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: across the country's rye fields. Um, but the amount of

551
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: ergot on the rye and the amount of rye used

552
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: in baking was thought to not be enough to induce

553
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: any any type of poisoning. Um. In fact that the

554
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: last time or like orgot poisoning had struck France was

555
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: back in was back in eighteen sixteen, so almost like

556
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: a century and a half before this incident, and a

557
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: century if it's the fifties, right, litt less than a century. No,

558
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: So the last instant was eighteen sixteen. This was nine no, no,

559
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: a century and a half ago. Um. And no other

560
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: towns anything, and no other part of France was affected

561
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: by anything similar to this. Um. So the ur got

562
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: thing is kind of iffy um it. But the explanation

563
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: was the only thing that doctors investigators could come to

564
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: would do, like you know, the their their limited knowledge

565
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: around brain altering substances, and just pressure from town officials

566
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of this so that they

567
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: had something to blame and people could move on. Um.

568
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: But you know, as a result, not much evidence really

569
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: backs up there backs up there got claim, and a

570
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: lot of experts today kind of deemon bunk um it

571
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: doesn't There's and and there's a bunch of like, um,

572
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: there's this thing hike on that the Greeks would take

573
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: that was like this Greek collucinatory thing that they think

574
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: it was because they were putting grain and wine and

575
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: it might have been air got poisoned, but also like

576
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: people enjoyed it, and so there's a lot of debate

577
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: over whether or not it could have been ergot But

578
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, I don't know what else is

579
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: There are other other theories about what it might Boy

580
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: is it the CIA? Where can they get to it? So, yeah,

581
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make much sense that the high amounts

582
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: of urgot rye would only be in one batch of

583
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: grain used in a single batch of bread from just

584
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: one bakery in one small town. Doesn't doesn't really make sense. Um.

585
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: Other explanations um that people have come to includes like

586
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: mercury poisoning and overuse of other fungicides. These have been

587
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: mostly disproven that seem like mercury poisoning. No, but there

588
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: is a guy who likes to drink some mercury, you know, boy.

589
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, So there's a lot of other theories around,

590
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: like fungic sides being used, but those have been kind

591
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: of disproved by some people, but others still a point

592
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 1: to them as possible explanations. But but there is one

593
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: other theory that we will focus on that features two

594
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: of my favorite things uh LSD and the nineteen fifties

595
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: CIA because if you're gonna pick a c I A,

596
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 1: they had the most fun. They had the most right,

597
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: Like you know who else has a lot of fun?

598
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: Garrison who is also the nineteen fifties c i A

599
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: whom our sponsors. Oh really gonna happen here is sponsored

600
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: only by the fifties c i A. Only the one

601
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: from the fifties. Yeah, when you order any of our

602
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: product products, they will come to your house and inject

603
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: you with seven thousand hits of LSD. Hey free, Hey,

604
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: that is that sounds like a great deal. Honestly, you're

605
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: saving a lot of money. You are saying that that

606
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: is a lot of free a lot of acid for

607
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: the amount of money you're spending that you won't do

608
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: more acid, that's for sure. You that that's acid for life.

609
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: You do it again? Yeah, you might, you probably, You

610
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: won't have to do it, you won't. You want to

611
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: do any expenses ever again. Yeah, you'll survive. You'll just

612
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: be a very different person by the end of the Yeah,

613
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: you you won't survive your body with it. At the

614
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: end of that someone else will wake up. So I

615
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: speaking of taking up here as a products so nineteen

616
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: fifties c I A UM wild time in two US

617
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: and nine. Hank P. Albarelli is an an American writer

618
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: and journalist released a book called A Terrible Mistake, which

619
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: focuses on the suspicious death of a CIA scientist named

620
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: Frank Olson, who worked on the CIA mind control experiments

621
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: during the late forties and early fifties. While researching the book,

622
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: Albarelli claims to have come across a number of old

623
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: CIA and White House documents referencing the Pont Saint de

624
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: Sprite incident, and he claims that the village was the

625
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: target of a CIA experiment on the mass effects of

626
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: LSD and that around the time that Frank Olsen wanted

627
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: to sever his ties with the Army and CIA, Frank

628
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: started talking about his participation in the experiment, which may

629
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: have led to the government off in Olson. So I

630
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: know that is a lot and it is slightly more

631
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: than justice speculation. We're going to get into the evidence

632
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: here shortly, UM, but by now it's pretty well known

633
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: that throughout the forties, fifties, and sixties, both the U. S.

634
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: Army and the CIA tried to use hallucinoge hallucinogenic drugs

635
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Speaker 1: such as LSD as both an offensive weapon and as

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Speaker 1: a way to make like psychic super soldiers. Programs like

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Speaker 1: mk Ultra and k Naomi Project Bluebird, Project Artichoke, UM,

638
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Speaker 1: Lots of lots of these things were trying to find

639
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Speaker 1: different ways of using LSD for like offensive and defensive means. UM.

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Speaker 1: Some of the interest was promoted by was was prompted

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Speaker 1: by reports of the Soviet Union doing experiments with drugs

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Speaker 1: around the same time. Also stuff around like you know,

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Speaker 1: hYP like like like like psychic powers and hypno says.

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Speaker 1: This was very popular around this time for for lots

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Speaker 1: of different intelligence agencies. UM. But so Albert Ellie uncovered

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Speaker 1: report from nineteen forty nine by the director of the

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Speaker 1: Edwood Arsenal which many which which was where many US

648
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Speaker 1: government LSD experiments were carried out, and this report stated

649
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: that the Army should do everything, everything is post everything,

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Speaker 1: everything possible to launch so called field experiments using this drug.

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Speaker 1: And later in his to US A nine book a

652
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Speaker 1: Really claims that he found references to a government document

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Speaker 1: with the label rett SPRI and f Olsen files s

654
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: O SPAN slash France Operation File inclusive Olsen intel files.

655
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Speaker 1: Hand Carrie to Bellan, tell him to see to it

656
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Speaker 1: that these are buried. Um, this document does exist like

657
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Speaker 1: we we we like we we we we we do

658
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Speaker 1: have this label on on this document um, but like

659
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: the actual contents of the documents are are gone. But

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00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: this is this is this is this is just a

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Speaker 1: label that is being referenced asle. So the document label

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Speaker 1: references Frank Olson and David Bellan. So. Bellan was the

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Speaker 1: executive director of the Rockefeller Commission, created by the White

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Speaker 1: House in the mid seventies to investigate abuses carried out

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Speaker 1: worldwide by the Central Intelligence Agency. So Albrely believes that

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Speaker 1: the that the French town lst incident um, which is

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Speaker 1: like the pont Stre which is the name of the town,

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00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: and the f Olson files mentioned in the document would

669
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: definitely show that if the document hadn't been buried as

670
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Speaker 1: it was said in the in the label the CIA,

671
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Speaker 1: it would show that the CIA was experimenting on the

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Speaker 1: townspeople by dosing them with what he thinks was lsd UM.

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00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: Now there is also a bit more to it than that. Um.

674
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Speaker 1: Using Foya's he got ahold of another CIA document, a

675
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: two page report from nine Team fifty four detailing a

676
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Speaker 1: conversation between a CIA agent and a representative of the

677
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Speaker 1: San DAWs Chemical Company. So this the Sandas base was

678
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Speaker 1: the place where Albert Hoffman invented LSD in night Um

679
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: and it was it was it was only a few

680
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Speaker 1: hundred kilometers away from pont St Ausprie, the town where

681
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Speaker 1: this happened, So the chemical company was actually pretty pretty

682
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: close relatively to like europe Um and it was also

683
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: the only place where LSD was being made at the time.

684
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: And they were providing both the Army and the CIA

685
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of a lot of acid. But you

686
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Speaker 1: mean they're also giving it like they're also giving it

687
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Speaker 1: to universities. They gave lots to Timothy Laria initially they were.

688
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: They were, and a lot to tim Larry they were.

689
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: They were giving a g out to a lot of

690
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: different universities and people, but including the US government. So

691
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: the c I A the CIA agent wrote um in

692
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Speaker 1: this report that was like he was detailing a dinner

693
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Speaker 1: he had with this representative of the chemical company, and

694
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Speaker 1: he reported that after having several drinks, the scientists started

695
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: talking about the pomp St Desprite incident. The send off official,

696
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: burned out the pomt st a spirit secret was that

697
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: it was not the bread at all. Continued to send

698
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: off official for weeks. The French tied up our laboratories

699
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Speaker 1: with analysis of the bread. It was not the grain ergot,

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Speaker 1: It was a die ethyl laminated Sorry it's it's the

701
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: last part of the LSD. Yeah, the die ethel lemonide

702
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: like compound. So yeah, the surgic diethyl acid is what

703
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: LSD stands for. So yeah, he the side just said

704
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: that it was. It was like it was like basically

705
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: an LSD like compound. Um, So that's that was the

706
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: that was report or to detail like a dinner that

707
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: a CIA agent had with this scientist um, and that

708
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: document was uncovered that it was from like the fifties.

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Speaker 1: Now this this, this next part has a little bit

710
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: less proof to it because there's no documents backing this up.

711
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: But al Brelli also claims that Dirk is digging too forward.

712
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: CIA researchers reached out to him and revealed that revealed

713
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: some details of some possible details of the method of

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00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: the poisoning. They told him that the village was subjected

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Speaker 1: to an air blitz of pulverized LSD. I'm sorry, that's

716
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: fucking based so to force the people taking the substance

717
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: through the air. According to the researchers, this manner of

718
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: just of this manner of distribution proved mostly unsuccessful, um,

719
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: forcing the CIA to move onto phase two, which was

720
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Speaker 1: contaminating local food. So apparently the if the if if

721
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: the air blitz was a thing, it didn't work super well. Um.

722
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Speaker 1: Although actually about to have Sophie Bias a plane. We

723
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: will talk about this later, but um, the c A

724
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: did do more air blitzing um of of acid in

725
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: New York City. Actually, they would ride around in cars

726
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: um in like poorer and poorer more like multicultural areas, UM,

727
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: shooting LSD out of the back of the car to

728
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: see what would happen if, I mean take out the racism.

729
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: And that really is a dream job, just driving around

730
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Speaker 1: cities air dosing people with acid and random smoking cigarettes.

731
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Speaker 1: Probably so with the conclusion drawn that it was one

732
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: of the town's bakeries being the source of the poisoning,

733
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Speaker 1: Albrel says it was possible that LSD was put in

734
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Speaker 1: or onto the bread um. So yeah, and also lots

735
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Speaker 1: of the scientists lots of the scientists dispatched to investigate

736
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Speaker 1: the poisoning after it took place, where actually from the

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Speaker 1: Sandals Chemical Company me. UM. They studied the situation for

738
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Speaker 1: like two or three weeks UM and gave the explanation

739
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Speaker 1: that would later be kind of disproven, uh, that it

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Speaker 1: was got poisoning, which they they told the town officials

741
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Speaker 1: and the British medical journal. Um what what, What no

742
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: one knew at the time was that one the existence

743
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Speaker 1: of LSD in the first place, UM, and two that

744
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: San DAWs was the company making it and giving these

745
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: drugs to the U. S. Army and to the CIA. UM.

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Speaker 1: And apparently apparently Albert Hoffman himself went to the town

747
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: to investigate this incident. UM. So yeah. And one last

748
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: thing on like the physical evidence side of things UM.

749
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Speaker 1: Albarelli also found an undated White House document that appeared

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Speaker 1: to be part of a larger file that had been

751
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: sent to members of the Rockefeller Commission, containing the names

752
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: of two French nationals who had been secretly employed about

753
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: the CIA and made direct references to the quote pont

754
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: Saint Sprit incident UM. Also it was linked the document

755
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: linked former CIA biological warfare expert and the chief of

756
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: the Fort Derrick's Special Operations to vision. So those are

757
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: all places that they were experiencing with this similar kind

758
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: of thing. Um we we we have mentioned the Rockefeller

759
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: Commission a few times now for remember the names, uh,

760
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: Frank Olsen, the guy one of the CIA researchers on LSD,

761
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: and David Bellan. Where they were they were they were

762
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: on the label of that missing document. So but Bellin

763
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Speaker 1: was the executive director of the White House Commission to

764
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Speaker 1: investigate the CIA's abuses and crimes, which was called the

765
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: Rockefeller Commission. It was formed by President Ford in nineteen

766
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: seventy five to investigate abuses and other activities by the

767
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: CIA and a few other intelligence agencies that were operating

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Speaker 1: within the States. Um. So, the Rockefeller Commission revealed not

769
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: only like the reason why we know but m Kaeltro

770
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: was because the Rockefeller Commission. This is this is how

771
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: we know this was a thing. Um. So it not

772
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: only revealed stuff about like programs around m k Ultra,

773
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: but also revealed the details of the CIA dosing their

774
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Speaker 1: own scientist, Frank Olsen with LSD and possibly killing him.

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00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: Um there's also like there's like a Netflix series about

776
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: this called Would Work and Haven't. I haven't actually watched yet,

777
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: so I don't know how good or accurate it is,

778
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: but they did. They did make a series a few

779
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: years ago about the death of Frank Olson Um and

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00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: all of the weirds get yourself, surrounding both his job

781
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: and and and and and his death. Um. We do

782
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: love the CIA, folks. So the The commission also concluded

783
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: that the head of the CIA's LSD program, doctor Sydney

784
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: ghost Leap, destroyed all of the drug programs records in

785
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three to hide the details of possibly illegal actions,

786
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Speaker 1: and he was personally involved in the torture of Frank

787
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Speaker 1: Olsen Um. Twenty years after Mr Olsen's death and ten

788
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: years after the elistic experiments were halted, a doctor Godlieb

789
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: ordered the destruction of all the records of the program,

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Speaker 1: including a total of one hundred and fifty two separate files.

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00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: This came shortly after other reports that that that records

792
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Speaker 1: were being destroyed by Richard helms That, the then Director

793
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Speaker 1: of Central Intelligence. So it's undoubtedly true that the CIA

794
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: was up to up to some ship involving les D

795
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: around around the exact time period of this French Town incident. Yeah,

796
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: it's certainly not like you're not coming out of nowhere

797
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: suggesting the CIA may have dosed all these people, but

798
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: they set it to a bunch of folks. If they

799
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: didn't do it here, they've done similar ship. And it's

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Speaker 1: also it's also worth mentioning at this point that like

801
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: this is like the point where the CIA is also

802
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: running this like enormous heroin network out of France, as

803
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: like if they basically basically have this whole they have

804
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: this deal with the French where they're like, okay, so

805
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: the French mob can like basically move all the heroin

806
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: they want in exchange they'll like stop the communists and

807
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: taking control of the point of Marseillas. And so this

808
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: is this is all also going on like at the

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00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: same time that they're doing the LSD stuff. It's great. Yeah,

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00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: so's there's some storians that think the LSD theories not

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00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: hold enough water. Um Stephen Kaplan, it's a US historian

812
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: specializing in the French food history and the author of

813
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: the two book Cursed Bread, which follows this incident. Um

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00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: He says that he is I have numerous objections to

815
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: this whole tree evidence that this that this against the CIA.

816
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: First of all, it's clinically incoherent. LSD takes effects in

817
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: just a few hours, whereas the inhabitants, where the inhabitants

818
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: showed symptoms only after thirty six hours or more. For

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Speaker 1: the more, LSD does not cause that the digestive elements

820
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Speaker 1: or the vegetative effects described by the townspeople. Um. And

821
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Speaker 1: So to both those claims, I say, they're not necessarily true. Um,

822
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: it's it's it's unclear how soon the delirious effects took

823
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: place for some people they were they first effect felt. Um.

824
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: So the whole thing about like the effects only taking

825
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: effect after thirty six hours, that's not that's not necessarily true. Um.

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Speaker 1: And Also LSD can definitely have nauseating or digestive effects yeast.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's that's that's not that's yeah. And and

828
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: but but like there were other types of symptoms that

829
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Speaker 1: are not common for what we think of as like

830
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Speaker 1: modern LST. Again, this is the ninetifties, and we don't

831
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Speaker 1: know what they were actually on it did it's maybe not.

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00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: It may not be what we think of as like LSD.

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00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: Now it could be slightly that you know that this

834
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: is a whole class of psychoactive drugs that's unclear what

835
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: they were all actually being dosed with. Yeah, who the

836
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: funk knows what they were being given and who the

837
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: funk knows what the actual like dose amount was. Yeah,

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00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: we have no no idea. It's also you know, I

839
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: think it's Leary was the origin of the phrase that

840
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: like the things that determine what happens on a trip

841
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: or set setting in dose, so your mindset, where you

842
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: take it and who you take it around, and the

843
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: dose and the fact that these are somewhat unique symptoms

844
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: could be to the fact that like other people taking

845
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: acid have never taken it this way and without knowing

846
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: what acid is like. So Kaplan's other objections revolve around

847
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: like the delivery system. He says, it's absurd this idea

848
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Speaker 1: of transmitting a very toxic drug by putting by putting

849
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Speaker 1: it in the bread as for pulver as to get

850
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: for ingestion through the air. That technology wasn't even possible

851
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: at the time. Most compelling Lee why would they choose

852
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: the town of pont Sta Spree to conduct these tests.

853
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: It was half destroyed by the U. S Army during

854
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Speaker 1: fighting with the Germans in the Second World War. It

855
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: makes no sense. And and to that, I say, that

856
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Speaker 1: makes it the perfect town for the CIA to fun with. Me. Yeah,

857
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: they generally would choose to dose someone with acid because

858
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: it sounded funny. Like I think the fact that this

859
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Speaker 1: town was already kind of like only half inhabited and

860
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: half destroyed by the by the Second World War, that

861
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: makes the perfect town to work with like. Yeah. And

862
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: also they also, the CIA and the government very much

863
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: did have the means to try to distribute stuff via

864
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Speaker 1: the air, because we can see other we can see

865
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Speaker 1: other documents around the time of them doing this too,

866
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Speaker 1: specific areas of of New York City. They also tried

867
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Speaker 1: to poison the entire New York Subway with LSD in

868
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Speaker 1: the fifties, but that was shut down by higher ups

869
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: in in the Central Intelligence. Um. Fortunately, God what a

870
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Speaker 1: time that would have been. But but cap But but

871
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Caplan isn't sure or got responsible either. Um. He says

872
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: that inhabination would not have worked because it doesn't make

873
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: sense that only one sack of grain would have been affected. Um.

874
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: And he says if it was or got the the

875
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: effects would have been way more widespread. Yeah, that does.

876
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: He rules out LSD in the grounds and the symptoms

877
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Speaker 1: of people suffered, although similar don't quite fit what we

878
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: modernly think of the drug. Also, I don't I don't

879
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: think Caplin's ever taken LSD, So I don't think I

880
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: think he's right about it probably not being air got.

881
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: But I don't think he knows much. Yeah, hell he

882
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: also he also He also points out that LSD probably

883
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have survived the fierce temperatures of the Baker's oven,

884
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: although Albarelli counters that it could have been that LSD

885
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Speaker 1: could have been added after the fact to the surface

886
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Speaker 1: of the breach. You could just drop it on, you

887
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Speaker 1: could you just drop it on with like with like

888
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Speaker 1: liquid blodders, which also explain how the effects were so

889
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Speaker 1: different from person to person, because one person may be

890
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Speaker 1: having a whole drop of LSD, where somebody maybe only

891
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Speaker 1: have like a tiny little like you know, speck of

892
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Speaker 1: like speck of like like moist liquid. So I can

893
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: explain some things, but you know, this is still pretty

894
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: much a mystery. You know, it's very clear this very much,

895
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: very well could have been some kind of hidden LSD.

896
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Speaker 1: C I a experiment um or the CIA could have

897
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: just been you know, interested in studying what happened in

898
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: the town since they were also doing studies into psychoactives

899
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: substances at the time. Um, it could be either or um.

900
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Speaker 1: And that's where it's spooky because you'll never know. So, yes,

901
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: that is that. That is the spooky incident of a

902
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Speaker 1: French town basically thinking that they lost their minds and

903
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: then you know they love to see it, do we.

904
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: It is a little funny. It is definitely a little funny. Um,

905
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: it's it is a great example of like the worst

906
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: way to trip. Yeah that that's that's pretty high up there. Um. Anyway,

907
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: critical support to the CIA for doosing random people with acid.

908
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Speaker 1: Always one of my favorite sets of stories. You you

909
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913
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964
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Speaker 1: So we we're starting with that line from Daniel Well,

965
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Speaker 1: come to spooky. It could happen here today. We are

966
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Speaker 1: discussing a truly spooky topic, one that everyone is just

967
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: really gonna hate. Uh. And it's we're talking about let's

968
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: say esoteric Kecki is um and me magic. So Shanni A,

969
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Speaker 1: my brothers and sisters come along on a Rhow we

970
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Speaker 1: read a whole book for this? Oh? I at least

971
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Speaker 1: I did you read a book just for this? I

972
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Speaker 1: would say that like all of the books I read

973
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Speaker 1: from age nineteen to twenty two prepared me have been

974
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: preparing here for that. Yeah, the books I read while

975
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: I was doing psychedelics twice a week. All really, we're

976
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: good background on this subject. That is true. You want

977
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: to kick us off and I don't. So I think

978
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: firstly we're talking about we're gonna we're gonna emphasize awareness

979
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: over amplification or that kind of my my goal for

980
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: this is that we can all be more aware of

981
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: kind of the power that images on the Internet can

982
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: have over influencing the actual world, and talking about people

983
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: who believe this to a ridiculous degree and how they

984
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: actually have been able to institute change not only because

985
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: of this belief, just because of their dedication to this practice,

986
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: because it's it's because it's a thing that exists and

987
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: it has had real world ramifications, and it's good to

988
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Speaker 1: understand that that's a thing, and that also maybe we

989
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Speaker 1: can influence the way we like us use the internet

990
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Speaker 1: to also maybe make good things happen as opposed to

991
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: just being doomers all the time. Um So that's kind

992
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: of what I wanted to start with. Many jobs to

993
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Speaker 1: that Garrison complete keck with you God. Although to be fair,

994
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Speaker 1: the past few days I have just been spamming the

995
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Speaker 1: it could happen here a group chat with horrible nonsense

996
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Speaker 1: surround cack. It has been the most insufferable week of

997
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Speaker 1: my life. Horrible nonsense like like paragraphs, paragraphs, paragraphs, walls

998
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Speaker 1: of text so big. Any any actually safe working environment

999
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Speaker 1: that cared about its employees would have fired you long ago. Yeah. So,

1000
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that we should definitely mention

1001
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: is that any type of like occultism, mysticism or like

1002
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: woo woo um has actually does have a decent history

1003
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: within right wing political ideas, and specifically like you know,

1004
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: like more extreme like right wing um stuff in the

1005
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Speaker 1: past few years, like everyone's most people know that like

1006
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: the modern not like the like the early Nazis had

1007
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: some mystical stuff going on. There's a lot more stuff

1008
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: going behind the scenes. A lot of their favorite authors

1009
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: also were like practicing occultists. Um so this is this

1010
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: is this is a thing that goes back awhile you

1011
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: can even see this to some degree with like how

1012
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: close Christianity is to a lot of the right wing,

1013
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: to a lot of like the modern right wing the

1014
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: States as well, a lot of what we would consider

1015
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: evangelical Christianity has a lot of stuff that's actually very

1016
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: similar to occultism. They just use different terms because occultism

1017
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: and and like magic is taboo. But it's actually the

1018
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: same things. It's all like just it's inter it's interacting

1019
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: with the same systems, just with different words. So like

1020
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: this is this is the thing that is is not

1021
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: it's it's not just on the internet. This is thing

1022
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Speaker 1: that's been going on for thousands of years. In particular

1023
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Speaker 1: the past one years, we've seen a big rise in

1024
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: the amount of like occultism and mysticism specifically tied to politics. Yeah,

1025
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: and there's this. I mean, there have been a couple

1026
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Speaker 1: of articles written just recently about the fact that a

1027
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: lot of like the Woo Woo left, the kind of

1028
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: um not really esoteric but kind of mainstream a culti left,

1029
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: like the popa culti left has has increasingly turned towards

1030
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: stuff like Q and on and a big chunk of

1031
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: it is like this, this openness to like feel power

1032
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: in coincidences, synchronicity would be they and and just a

1033
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: general open mindedness to um maybe too many things. Sure, Yeah,

1034
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's you can see this on on on

1035
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of sides because it's yeah,

1036
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: it's it is definitely not just the right wing. I mean,

1037
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: it's like the biggest example of this would probably be

1038
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: facets of Q and on the past few years have

1039
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: done very similar types of things. Uh, there's a lot

1040
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: of other stuff going on behind the scenes, like how

1041
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: how Pepe operated was very similar to that, which is

1042
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: what we're mainly talking about today. Um, but you know,

1043
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: there is also stuff like this on on the left wing,

1044
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: whether it be like New a g type stuff that

1045
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: seems to kind of mostly be bullshit, but there's a

1046
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, other other type of like like like like

1047
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: folk magic or like indigenous traditions that have that have

1048
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: i would say slightly more uh significantly more like there's

1049
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: reasonable actually stuff going on as opposed to just like

1050
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: new Age selling books and that kind of stuff. Yeah.

1051
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: One of the things that also separates actual religion from

1052
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: religion that kind of has formed in this nomadic way

1053
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: recently is that all of this stuff, particularly what we're

1054
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: talking about today, formed simultaneously with political sentiment and as

1055
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: and and was was crafted and in a lot of cases,

1056
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: like they they state facts wrong specifically because they are

1057
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: trying to craft a political narrative alongside this like weird

1058
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Speaker 1: quasi spiritual things. I mean, speaking of spiritualism coming to

1059
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: the same kind of coming to the same and this

1060
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: is you know, we're all kind of anarchistic adjacent here.

1061
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: And one of the things that really came up around

1062
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: the same time as anarchism in the twentieth century was

1063
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: a concept called chaos magic, which was really really really

1064
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: tied to a lot of old really tied to a

1065
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: lot of like anarchist thought and anarchists kind of thinkers.

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00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: Some of the most same with chaos magicians are like

1067
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: explicitly anarchist, someone like Grant Morrison. Um. Others are like Discordians,

1068
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: which have a lot of like anarchists crossover stuff, like

1069
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: like Robert Enton Wilson, which kind of operates in that

1070
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: same ocean. Yeah, he played a big role in kind

1071
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: of pulling me away from proto alt right style beliefs.

1072
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: And I think also a lot of his work was

1073
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: very intelligently crafted because he wrote about conspiracies, he wrote

1074
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: about esoteric magic, but always with a really intent eye

1075
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: on increasing people's defenses to this kind of stuff what

1076
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about today. Um, he was very like cognizant

1077
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: of that, Like he wrote about conspiracy as an enthusiast,

1078
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: but also as someone who was trying to stop um

1079
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: kind of unchecked conspiratorial belief. Yeah, he went away about

1080
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: that in peculiar ways, but he was an odd man. Yeah.

1081
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: And the reason why I've been getting more into this

1082
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: type type of stuff the past year, uh increase. And

1083
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: the reason why I really like chaos magic as I

1084
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 1: like it as like a post modern system of magic

1085
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: of looking at how basically if magic is just ideas

1086
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out how our brains can interact

1087
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: with the physical world, then chaos magic in produces a

1088
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: lot of interesting stuff around like late stage capitalism, because

1089
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: it is is it's explicitly tied to to like postmodern

1090
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: art and postmodern thought um in the way you know,

1091
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: brands and marketing and specifically the Internet all affects our minds,

1092
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: all the stuff it gets talked about in charismatic a lot.

1093
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: And I really like look using that framework for things

1094
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: um and speaking of that kind of stuff specifically around

1095
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: the Internet, we're gonna be talking about. The first thing

1096
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: I want to mention is like the concept of searching

1097
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: for something and then you're like you're and you're gonna

1098
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: find it, whether that you know, Robert Enton Wilson and

1099
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: um like the Illuminatious Trilogies has like and like, and

1100
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: Discordianism has like twenty three and the Law of Fives. Right,

1101
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: I I read that book when I was twenty and

1102
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: I have been like seeing twenty three's repeatedly at like

1103
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: significant moments in my life for the last fourteen years

1104
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: or so. Like, Yeah, it's it's like, once you get

1105
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: that kind of meme implanted in your brain, it can

1106
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: stick with you for forever. And and this this happens

1107
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: to everything. You know, this happens to This happens to everyone.

1108
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: Like once you learn about a new topic, the next day,

1109
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: you'll see it somewhere right, You'll be like, you'll you'll

1110
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: like it. And it's in all these places that that

1111
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: you didn't see it before. This happens all of the

1112
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: time with everything. This is how this is like how

1113
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: synchronicity works, and this is where religions come from, yeah,

1114
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: throughout history. And it's because like this all has its

1115
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: roots in why we're very good hunters. We are patterned

1116
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: were pattern recognition, Like our brains are pattern recognizing machines.

1117
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: That's what we're best at. And it means that we're

1118
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: good at spotting berries and tracking deer. And it also

1119
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: means that we can't stop making religions. We can religion

1120
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: and if we have one too many synchronicities, we can

1121
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: change the entire way we view about the like the

1122
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: whole world, which can have varying degrees of effects. Sometimes

1123
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: I can if it's just a little bit that can

1124
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: maybe ahould be very helpful. Um, if you join a

1125
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: weird cult that does messed up stuff, then it's like, yeah,

1126
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: that's a problem. Yeah, sometimes it ends in burning man

1127
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: and sometimes it ends in burning men. Yeah, drop the

1128
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: bomb on that one. So first thing I want to

1129
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: kind of discuss before we get into the actual timeline

1130
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: of how pepangcasm became a thing, I want to just

1131
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: do a brief overview of sigils and memes um and

1132
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: the idea of what like, let's let's take the original

1133
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: concept of the meme, which is like you know, the

1134
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: it's genes are genetic, memes are cultural. There's are cultural

1135
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: ideas that can spread like a virus um and usually memes.

1136
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: In the since since since the Internet has become way

1137
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: more popular, memes have become more tied to images like

1138
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: like memes are a much more visual thing now, whereas

1139
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: in the nineties they were more of just like like

1140
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: an idea concept, but now they have like in this

1141
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: extra visual backing. So a sigil is a is a

1142
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: magical concept and mostly to chaos magic, which is basically

1143
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: an abstract concept um or or like a specific con

1144
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: scept put into an abstract image that then gets charged

1145
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: and then it's going to manifest itself in your life.

1146
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: The reason why this works is because part part of

1147
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: this desire gets implanted deep in your brain when you

1148
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: charge it through like a trance or that there's a

1149
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: there's there's like there's different methods of charging sigils, but

1150
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: you have this, you have this concept and this idea

1151
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: and this desire and it gets put into you. So

1152
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna kind of subconsciously do things that that influence

1153
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: it into becoming something that you can see. Just like

1154
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're looking, if you hear

1155
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: about twenty three, you're gonna see it. Same thing for this.

1156
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's the same kind of based concept

1157
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: um and then Grant Morrison of Comic Book Writers my

1158
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: my favorite comic book writer. He he was, he's really

1159
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: the only person that's developed sigils more since their inception.

1160
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: UM with the concept of a hyper sigil, which is

1161
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: taking this theme idea of like wanting to influence change

1162
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: in the world via this visual medium of a sigil,

1163
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: and instead of just having it be like an abstract

1164
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: glyph that you charge, hyper sigil is an entire work

1165
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: of art with this express interest. Um. So everything that

1166
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: you do in this is trying to get some type

1167
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: of real world change, and it's very very intentional, right,

1168
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: And a lot of art already oprights like this. This

1169
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: is why a lot of postmodern magic is very similar

1170
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: just to like making art, because it's the same kind

1171
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: of basic idea, whether that be something like you know,

1172
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: like the matrix or you know, any any type of

1173
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: art kind of does this already if it is good, um,

1174
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: and it in it can find ways to influence reality.

1175
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: So memes operate on this same way. And eventually people

1176
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: actually found eventually people on four ch and realized that

1177
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: they that they were doing the ceduls and started using

1178
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: this word because it's really the same thing when you're

1179
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: when you're altering all of these images of this frog

1180
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: and posting it into all these different kind of more

1181
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: abstract more like ugly obscure kind of like weird, like

1182
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: surreal types of types of memes, and you're spamming them

1183
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: on politicians Twitter account. You're basically doing a group a

1184
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: group schedule, and a group hyper cygil. Because you're all

1185
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: making these individual things and are spamming them into the world,

1186
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: and because there's so many of them, Yeah, they're gonna

1187
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: have they're gonna have a real world effect, and they're

1188
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna have a real world effect in part because of

1189
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: the way human brains work, in part because of the

1190
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: way algorithms work, which is one of the things where

1191
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: like it's it's easy, especially if you're an impressionable kid,

1192
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: to mistake the algorithm doing what it's designed to do,

1193
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: which is find patterns groups of people sharing something and

1194
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: expand that to a larger group of people, because oh,

1195
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: if this cluster of people like this, this will probably

1196
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: be something that's very Algorithms are great at making synchronicities

1197
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: because that's what they're designed to do. That's what they're

1198
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: supposed that's the whole point of why they exist, and

1199
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: that's why this is that that that's why are because

1200
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: as you stated a little earlier, and one of these

1201
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: days on Bastards we're gonna talk about Helena Blovotsky and

1202
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: like the Theosophy movement and more detail, like all of

1203
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: the occult stuff that fed into the Third the early

1204
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: stage of the Third Reich. But the occult back then

1205
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: is very different from the kind of occult feeding into

1206
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: fascism now, which is heavily based around synchronicity, because it's

1207
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: also heavily based around social media, the way memes bread. Yeah,

1208
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: that's why I thinks what the chaos magic has really

1209
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: gotten kind of a resurgence the past few years with

1210
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: social media and how algorithms developed, because they do mirror

1211
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the concepts within chaos magic, because the

1212
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: Internet is kind of a chaotic place. But it's also

1213
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: it's not just pure chaos. It is chaos within a

1214
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: framework of order, which is why I like the like

1215
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: the like the chaos star, like the like the actual

1216
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: like chaos like sigil. Yes, the errors a pointing in

1217
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: every direction, but you can make a perfect circle around

1218
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: all of the arrows. It's because it's not just pure chaos.

1219
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: It actually is contained with within this other framework. And

1220
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: by the way, Garrison when you started talking about synchronyge

1221
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: cities and sigils. I checked my phone for a second

1222
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: and saw that it was five seventeen on October five.

1223
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: Of course contains both two and three and as thus

1224
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: a sacred number October twenty three. I shouldn't have to

1225
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: explain why that significant, and it's yeah, but it's the

1226
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: twenty three on my phone. Why is my phone's fucked up?

1227
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: Because because the universe, baby, that's the synchronicity. I'm living

1228
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: in the future. Motherfucker's And what time is it that

1229
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: it's not right now? It was my phone and the

1230
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: other time it is. I I don't need to know

1231
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: what time it is the default reality. No, no, yeah,

1232
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: you're you're you're on a different, different dimensional plane. Now

1233
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: we have two into two different ones. I think I

1234
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: think that I think this gives up gives us a

1235
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: perfect opportunity for the audience to find their own synchronicities

1236
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: in these ads, because who knows what's going to happen,

1237
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: what's gonna play, So look for patterns and you'll find them.

1238
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: Here's some mass I hope it's an ad for the

1239
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: Egyptian goddess Mott, and we are back, We're gonna, We're

1240
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna now actually kind of get into some of the

1241
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: some of the actual Peppe nonsense. Um. I think another

1242
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: important part to mention is that like for a lot

1243
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: of people doing this online, this, this is like an

1244
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: online pattern that happens all the time. Um, it happens

1245
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: with It happens with stuff like this, It happens with

1246
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: with with cat Boys, it happens with a whole bunch

1247
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: of stuff. Is that like stuff starts as a joke

1248
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: and then you do it a lot and the repetition

1249
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: basically makes you do it genuinely. Yeah, like me talking

1250
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: about getting all of my followers to a compound in

1251
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: Idaho where we die fighting the f d A exactly

1252
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: Interually that turns into an actual death cult. So it's

1253
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: it's it starts as a joke and then under repetition

1254
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: it becomes genuine. This happens so basically almost everything on

1255
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: the internet. Yeah, this this, this, this, this leads to

1256
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: Garrison and I doing the inevitable Robert Evans Behind the

1257
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: Bastards episode. This episode it's a three part or if

1258
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: I ever heard one you you hope so you wish

1259
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: what what are what are cat Boys. This is different.

1260
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: That is a different you're here, that is a different podcast.

1261
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, Hi, sorry, I know, I only inser

1262
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: Jake briefly. Is that is that? Are they? Are they

1263
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: like pre furries? Is that different? No, Cowboys post fury,

1264
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's it's it's it's rehumanizing the it's

1265
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: rehumanizing the furies. So like the same way, the same way,

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Speaker 1: the same way. Sonic the Hedgehog is a re Mickey

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: mossification of vegeta. Uh, cowboys are a humanification of furries.

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: This is a whole process on the I can explain

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01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: this in great detail in the later episode, but I

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01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: think we have enough. We have enough to talk about already.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my dog. Okay, sure would someone

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01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: be willing to sacrifice their own mentality to describe the

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01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: rise of Pepe and just originally in the early twenty teens, Yeah,

1274
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: so it started. Is this guy's comic that there was

1275
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 1: nothing particularly about. Yeah, it was just it was a

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: dude's comic. He was like, uh, feels good Man was

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of fel good Man. He was a chill dude.

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01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: He was a chill dude. Yeah, not a fascist comic.

1279
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: Peppe is actually pretty fun. Yeah, comic Pepe, he's like

1280
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: he's like a millennial slacker who doesn't really know what

1281
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: to do with his life after like after nine eleven,

1282
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: after the financial crash. He's just trying to kind of

1283
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: get by the comics fine. Yeah, the comics fine, but

1284
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: the art just that kind of the specifics of how

1285
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: he drew Pepe made him very well suited for a

1286
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: meme because he's expressive and he so he shows up

1287
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: and starts getting spread in four chan, and you know,

1288
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: that kind of idea goes viral, and it particularly gets

1289
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: attached to a lot of like the political ship on

1290
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: Pole and the people who are like churning into gamer

1291
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: Gate and the right sad Pepe gets very popular, Smug

1292
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: Pepe gets very popular. Yeah yeah. And then as so

1293
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: kick is text of it, Like later on, I think

1294
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: we'll go over more for like how Pepe is like

1295
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: the cartoon character got you know, as soon as it

1296
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: becomes a meme, it spreads out into all corners. And

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01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: the people who meaned this hardest we were on Fortune.

1298
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: So this is how pep Peppe became kind of tied

1299
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: to this. And I think the last bullet in Pepe

1300
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: really solidifying him as as an alt right meanings specifically

1301
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: was the Richard Spencer punch. I think I think that's

1302
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: the thing that actually was like done. It's like, no,

1303
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: Pepe is just this now, he can't be anything else

1304
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,799
Speaker 1: because but when when when Richard Spencer was being punched,

1305
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: he was describing what Pepe was. That was what's happening

1306
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: in that specific viral moment. If you want to talk

1307
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 1: about like magical terms, this is Pepe getting like charged,

1308
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: Like this is the idea of like this idea getting

1309
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,839
Speaker 1: getting charged because it is now going to be perflated

1310
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: to the masses in this in this moment of like

1311
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: pure motion. So that's when Pepe really gets tied to

1312
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: And I think Hillary Clinton made it very, very worse

1313
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: the way she talked about this kind of stuff on

1314
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: her speeches basically gave gave the all right a baseball

1315
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: bat to hit her with. The the problem that Clinton

1316
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: and everyone else because a big part of I would

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01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: argue that like the largest part of why Pepe became

1318
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: a thing that was destined to last was that pundits

1319
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: and politicians, including Hillary and media people kept talking about

1320
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: it as a fascist symbol and kept discussing like what

1321
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: it was, and that anyone who grew up on the Internet,

1322
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: who grew up around these communities, knows that you ignore

1323
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,919
Speaker 1: them as much as possible, to the extent that that's possible.

1324
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: You don't feed the troll you don't give them power. Yeah,

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: you don't. And and talking about it again, this is

1326
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: like chasmetic like referencing it, bringing it up, bringing it

1327
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: into the real world gives it power. That's the thing

1328
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: that feeds it. Yeah, So that that's how it got

1329
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: so much more power. The more Clinton talked about it,

1330
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: the more news media wrote about it, everyone got so

1331
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: excited on the four change. That's like, that's that's that's like,

1332
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: that is them winning than them seeing this thing. And

1333
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: and then and then this goes back pre even being far.

1334
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember because I was in these spaces when

1335
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: they first started doing ship like raids on the Church

1336
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: of Scientology. Every time there would actual like news coverage

1337
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: of what people on the Internet did, it got people

1338
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: so fucking excited because like, the Internet had been this

1339
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 1: thing that didn't matter for the longest. I think in

1340
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 1: the in the book I read about this kind of stuff.

1341
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: They they did use the example of like Anonymous and

1342
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: the raids on centology being like a precursor to this

1343
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: type of like me magic of this thing, like like

1344
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: internet forums influencing the real world through repetition and getting

1345
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: getting to grow power. We're getting people who don't use

1346
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: Internet to talk about these same things. It was like

1347
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: a precursor to then what we what we saw the

1348
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: al right, which is which is a pretty pretty common opinion. Um.

1349
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: And then and then enter enter the Egyptian gods, Roberts,

1350
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: do wanna do you wanna? Don't wanna? I don't wanna

1351
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: discuss that. We're gonna That's what we're gonna say. Next

1352
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: is how is this intersex with Egyptian gods? The ancient

1353
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: Pharaoh's played a card game of ancient and terrible power man.

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01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: Nobody watched you as a kid, now, Robert, do you wanna?

1355
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: Do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do you want to

1356
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 1: discuss keck? Yeah, I mean so way back in the day.

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01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: Um And I think I think this even pre dates

1358
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: World War Craft. I remember at first happening on like

1359
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: StarCraft games online, there would be like gamers from Korea

1360
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: and like when you were doing like a Zurg rush

1361
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: or something, which is when you have a bunch of

1362
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: guys and they all attack the enemy base or whatever.

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01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: They would type out their term for l O L,

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: which was like keck k e K yeah okay u

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01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: K so would usually just look like a stream of

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01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: ku k e k k k over and over and

1367
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: over again. This really took off in world of warcraft,

1368
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: where like there were Korean gold farmers were a big thing,

1369
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: and like keck was something that like everyone kind of

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: knew what it meant because it was often the only

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01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: thing you can understand. You could you could understand as

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01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: an American that like these people would be typing um

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01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: and it as a result of kind of all of that,

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01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: it took off an internet culture as just an l

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01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: O and specifically like one of the things that's going

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01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: on here. So as the mid auts dawn and the

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: Internet becomes serious business and like social media really and

1378
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: everybody's even before social media is dominant, but just when

1379
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: everybody's taking the Internet seriously, it's clear there's a lot

1380
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: of money in it. It's it's mainstream. You have this

1381
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: this kind of second generation of Internet people who got

1382
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: on in the late nineties early two thousands, when they

1383
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: were kids who get frustrated at the fact that all

1384
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: of these different terms and phrases and like bits of

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01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: internet culture that they had identified with our going mainstream

1386
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: and normalies are using them. Yeah. Yeah, And keck is

1387
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: everyone knows what l O l is. People don't know

1388
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: what keck is. So in places like four Chan, that

1389
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: becomes a really popular thing. And keck kind of is

1390
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: like so keck as a as a term for laughters,

1391
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: like floating around at the same time as like pepe

1392
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: A memes, and so whenever you whenever you like meme

1393
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: something into the mainstream, whenever like some four Chan opera

1394
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it, like succeeds in getting mainstreams it.

1395
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: It's it as a clud and mentions pepping on stage.

1396
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: Everyone fortune goes kick because they're laughing. They go can

1397
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: they say stuff like top kick and whatnot, and and

1398
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: and eventually somebody realizes that there's an Egyptian goddess. One

1399
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: of the translations of that god and goddess his name

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01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: is k k Um. Now there's a couple of other translations.

1401
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 1: There's there's there's a whole bunch of issues with this.

1402
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: If you wanted to look at it. That's with the

1403
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: rational kind of brain is because like this there was

1404
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: this old family of god's are very very old old

1405
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: Egyptian gods. They all had male and female versions. The

1406
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: male versions all had frog heads, um and but around

1407
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: frogs can change their gender. Yeah, so like so like

1408
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: all of the all this whole era of Egyptian gods

1409
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: all had frog heads. So there was one of them

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01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: that was named Keck, who was a god of chaos.

1411
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: And this also played into how Fortune was using Trump

1412
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: because like they liked Trump mostly as like as like

1413
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: a chaotic reforce that got people angry, because that's what

1414
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: that's what Fortune wanted to do as well. They wanted

1415
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: to be a chaotic force again that gets people angry.

1416
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: That's why they really latched onto true ump Um. And

1417
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: then when they found out that, oh there's this god

1418
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: named Keck who is like the lord of like like

1419
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: like um like pro that what's the word um primordial darkness,

1420
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: primorial darkness. Yeah, and this idea yeah kind of like

1421
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: um um urinus and like Greco Roman faith, right, like

1422
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: a god kind of before the gods that are are

1423
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: more well known, but like this was a synchronicity so

1424
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: they took it as like, you know, the same way

1425
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: religions take take synchronicity and create and create like divinity.

1426
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: They took this as like this take they took this

1427
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: as like divinity. Again this this starts as a joke,

1428
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: but you do it enough and you start to take

1429
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: it seriously, and there's a you get a mix of um,

1430
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: you get a mix of of real. Like Egyptology was that. Yeah,

1431
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: there was a god named Kick, like among a bunch

1432
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: of other gods. One of the ways he was depicted

1433
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: was with a frog head. But also like bad Egyptology, Like,

1434
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: I found an article on the word plus press blog

1435
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: Peppe the Frog Faith, which oh, I'm sure this, I'm

1436
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: sure this is like a bastion of archaeology, and and

1437
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 1: the title is amateur Egyptologist weighs in on the frog

1438
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: statue hieroglyphs. And one of the things he points out

1439
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: are talking about the frog statues that isn't check but

1440
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: they thought it was Kick, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and a

1441
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 1: number of things. So like one of the things this

1442
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: guy claims is that the hieroglyphics for Keeck are a

1443
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: frogman um and then a couple of what he calls

1444
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: baskets first, up their cups not baskets. Second, the actual

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01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: um uh hieroglyphics for for K e K don't include

1446
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: the little frogman. They're like the two of the little

1447
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: cups in this weird T shaped thing. Like yeah, it's

1448
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 1: all it's all like it's bad again amateur egyptologist Like

1449
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 1: he's just a kid who was googling stuff and like

1450
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: got some either lied or got some hieroglyphics wrong. But

1451
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff compounds. But keck as like an

1452
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: idea is like now we have a backing of an

1453
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: ancient god again first as a joke, but then some

1454
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: people started to take it more seriously, really really caught on.

1455
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: Among people could because because it's funny, like it's it's

1456
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: just funny, and it's funny. It's gonna catch on on

1457
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: for chat because it's hilarious, right, so they're gonna start

1458
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: using this and repeating this and creating whole new memes,

1459
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: creating like there's like there's like an eight eight part

1460
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: book series that's like fake books written by like someone

1461
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: who's like just me bing but pretending to take it seriously.

1462
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: But like the authenticity doesn't actually matter because because it exists,

1463
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually matter how authentic it is. Yeah, Like,

1464
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: and there's there's weird coincidences that continue to occur, Like

1465
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 1: one of the biggest being there's this like phrase shadow,

1466
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: which creeps up in all of this and becomes like

1467
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: this exhortation that they use like a way of like

1468
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: exclaiming and such. And then somebody figures out that shadow

1469
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: is also a song, like an Italo disco song I

1470
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: think from the seventies, and the album that Shadow is

1471
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: on has like a frog man face on the cover. Um,

1472
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: and so they're like, it's a sign because you're gonna

1473
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: find frogs wherever you look now because that has becomes

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Speaker 1: the think of uncommon frogs. You're gonna find them everywhere

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01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: now and there are every ancient religion everywhere in the world.

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01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get guarantee there's some fucking frogs in it

1477
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: because like they're everywhere, and that they're old creatures people,

1478
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: frogs they've been around for a long times, have been around.

1479
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: So the other the other thing that happened, so people

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01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: not only basically created their whole mythology around this, creating

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01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: different types of religion. There was like kecki is Um

1482
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: as a religion, the cult of keck Um esoter Keechism,

1483
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: all of their own distinct differences. Because these people spend

1484
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: all their time on the internet. Um, they developed all

1485
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 1: these things. And they also found this old frog statue

1486
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: that they said was keck it Actually it isn't it's

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01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: actually it's actually a gold called heck it Um. But

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01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: on the basis does it doesn't matter. But on the

1489
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: base of the statue it had it had gliphs which

1490
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: appear to us modern humans as they they look like

1491
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: someone sitting on a computer like they look like like

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01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 1: someone sitting in front of a monitor on a keyboard. Um.

1493
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: And on the other side of the keyboard is a

1494
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: DNA is like what looks like a DNA spiral. So

1495
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: this is like jes like jeans, right, jeans jeans are

1496
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 1: d NA memes our cultural DNA. This is a glyph

1497
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: of the god teck on a statue with someone on

1498
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: a computer with a DNA spiral. Of course they're gonna

1499
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 1: take this is like some like message from the from

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01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: the gods. You're like, yes, I'm supposed to be. I

1501
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: am supposed to be by my meming, I'm doing Chex's

1502
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: work to put Trump into office. Yeah, it's um god,

1503
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: that's frustrating insurance. Uh, it sure is. But like all

1504
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: of those in the in group, this is like the

1505
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: statue was just a depiction of what the check people

1506
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: and the and the pepper spanders were doing posting on

1507
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: the Internet to manifest real world change. And that's that's

1508
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: all it is. If you want to see other examples

1509
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: of this, like if you look at the ancient alien stuff,

1510
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,520
Speaker 1: there's this like famous Mayanna higher glyph of the astronomer

1511
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: that's like if you if you know what a telescope is,

1512
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: because you're looking at it a thousand years after it

1513
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: was carved, it kind of looks like it might be

1514
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: a telescope, and it's part of what like people say like, oh,

1515
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: this is proof that like that this is an alien

1516
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: Like he's looking at a fucking telescope. No, it was.

1517
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: There's other explanations for it. It was something like that

1518
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: somebody carved. Yeah, I think there's another thing that you started.

1519
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: And I see this like not even like I see

1520
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: this just this is just on the end of all time,

1521
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: like I see left just do this or like so

1522
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: like okay, so you learn something and then oh it's

1523
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: not true. But then people will keep spreading the thing

1524
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: because they'll say, yeah, yeah, well it has more power

1525
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: with it, so you're still going to believe it. Yeah,

1526
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: Like when we talk about the fact that Will Wheaton

1527
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: murdered three people in if you want to this is

1528
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: the message, like yeah, yeah with a knife, what's horrible? Yeah, Now,

1529
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean he was in Thailand at the time, so

1530
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: he was able to get out and we don't extra die.

1531
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: So's he's he's got out Scott for But yeah, but

1532
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: I mean like this is like the same this is

1533
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: this is the same thing that Trump does, which we'll

1534
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: talk about it, but we'll talk about a bit. It's

1535
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 1: like if you would appeate the thing enough, it becomes

1536
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: true for large swats of the population that that's that's

1537
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: that's all truth actually needs to be for people. Um,

1538
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: I think I think we're gonna go and break uh

1539
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: and come back and close us, close us up, and

1540
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: finally finished this horrible discussion. Um. Anyone know who won't

1541
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: meme fascism? Well, actually, KFC the the have you seen

1542
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: have you seen the KFC fascist posting on Twitter? Yea,

1543
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: there's like a Spanish KFC account that has been doing that.

1544
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: That is up to some ship. Yeah, I hate I

1545
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: hate that. That's a sentence that that that you got

1546
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: to say, I just hated for products. And we are back.

1547
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: I have finished and entire dark meat bucket and I

1548
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: am so full. Um yep. And now I'm sad. I'm

1549
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: sad because I'm still thinking of the fascist KFC Twitter account.

1550
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: Um so we we. The other thing I want to do,

1551
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 1: want to mention is kind of Trump's own uh power

1552
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,919
Speaker 1: of belief kind of idea and how Trump was basically

1553
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: using esoteric terms, was able to basically create an alternate

1554
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: reality for millions of people to live in. Um And

1555
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: there's really no getting through to them now because they're

1556
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,560
Speaker 1: literally just in a just in a different dimension, and

1557
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: there's just there's there's no way to pierce that other dimension.

1558
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: They're basically living in just a totally alternate reality there.

1559
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: There's there's no use saying that it is the one

1560
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 1: that we live in. UM. So Trump was obsessed with

1561
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: a few of these ideas. He's less than like the like,

1562
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 1: He's less interested in like the woo and more interested

1563
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: in like the power of positive thinking, power of your

1564
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: own belief. Um, he grew up in a movement and

1565
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 1: specific appeal stuff. Yeah, he grew up following a specific

1566
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: movement and church called that falls under the umbrella called

1567
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: New Thought, um, which is where Trump's you know, Trump's

1568
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: like like how strong Trump's ego is comes from this

1569
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: idea of that you need to reinforce yourself and reinforce

1570
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: your own victories because if you do that, you're gonna

1571
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna find them. Right if if you're looking

1572
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 1: for you're gonna find it. If you're looking for your

1573
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 1: own victories, you're going to force them to happen, um,

1574
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: even if they don't happen into other people. Right. But like,

1575
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: so that we see this happening successfully with the election,

1576
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 1: we see both like all of the meming everything that

1577
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: happened in the trusteen election worked for Trump um. And

1578
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: you know, you know, of course, of course he didn't

1579
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: win the popular vote, but that doesn't actually matter, but

1580
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: it worked into in getting him to office now it

1581
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, it worked less well for the election, um,

1582
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: but still his real assertions that he won still gave

1583
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: us a lot of real world results, like the January

1584
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: six Capital insurrection. So like it's this right, So this

1585
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: type of idea that if you read, if you if

1586
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: you reinforce this thing, if you reinforce this belief, if

1587
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: you can, if you have if you have this idea

1588
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: and you keep putting it out into the world, it's

1589
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: gonna manifest some type of real, real world result. And

1590
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: that that was January six That's what that was. And

1591
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: and that's the kind of the world we live in now.

1592
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: It's like the weaponized unreality world where people because of

1593
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: how media works, because are the Internet works, they're able

1594
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: to create this like chaotic like like sphere of of

1595
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: energy and ideas that can like spread so much faster

1596
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: than anything used to be. That could everyone can segment

1597
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 1: their own reality into two degrees that we've never really

1598
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: seen before because of how fast information can travel. Now, um,

1599
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 1: it is, it is. It is a new it's it

1600
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: is a relatively new thing. The way that the way

1601
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: that this this this can operate so like memes, memes

1602
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: themselves like Pepe and all this kind of stuff undoubtedly

1603
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 1: had had an impact on not only just the twenties

1604
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: sixteen election, but just the entire political climate surrounding the

1605
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: whole Trump presidency. Uh Now, to the degree to which

1606
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 1: we can credit me magic or the god kick, that

1607
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: part is meaningless because because the effect is the same

1608
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: that like the synchronicities were still experienced and and truth

1609
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 1: is just is just experiential. So it's the beliefs that

1610
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: we kind of hold will shape how we experience things anyway,

1611
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: and that will experience what the actual truth is. There's

1612
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: there there is a great Robert Anton Wilson quote that

1613
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: is like reality is what you can get away with,

1614
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 1: ye And that's that's like that that like summarizes how

1615
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: Trump was able to be so successful is because he

1616
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: was able to shape reality, right. I think me, me

1617
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: and me and Chris were talking about this the other

1618
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: day about how, Chris, do you want to say the

1619
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: thing about like the Democratic Party and Republican Party and

1620
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: how yeah, okay, okay, So there's there's there's there's a thing.

1621
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: And Garrison I think was too young for this. But

1622
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: there's a very famous thing that that one of the

1623
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: Bushman pedietrition people said about how Democrats lived in the

1624
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 1: reality based community and this this is like a whole

1625
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: thing in the in like the two thousands, this is

1626
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: in the Bush administration and everyone loses their minds and

1627
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: this is like a whole meme when the Democrats that's like, oh,

1628
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: where the reality based community? And they're not. But but

1629
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 1: then this is the interesting part. If you look at

1630
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: the second part of that quote, right, what he's actually

1631
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: saying is that so the Democrats are the reality based community, right,

1632
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 1: they they analyze reality. The Republican Party is the party

1633
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: that creates reality because other people in control the empire.

1634
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: And this is this is what neo conservative this was, right,

1635
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: And you know, the argument here basically is that the

1636
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: Democrats are you know, they're always going to be a

1637
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: step behind because they're merely analyzing reality, whereas Republicans using

1638
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: the powers or of the state to you know, change

1639
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: and define it. And this this worked for them, you

1640
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: know what. I would argue that this is how they

1641
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: came into power, This is how there's this is what

1642
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: they're still doing. Yeah. Yeah, why every president since Ronald

1643
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: Reagan has just been Ronald Reagan with a mask. Yeah.

1644
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: But but I think I think there's something very important here,

1645
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: specifically about how Bush took off this right, because Bush,

1646
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: Bush steals the election. Right, Bush does like the thing

1647
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: that Trump was trying to do is what George Bush

1648
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 1: did into in two thousands, but with a riot, just

1649
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: with a very kind of riot. Yeah. But but this

1650
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: is the thing, the thing, this is the thing that

1651
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,560
Speaker 1: Bush and the neo kons understood that the Trump is

1652
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: kind of understand but never quite solidified because they're not

1653
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: like they're not sort of insider political actors. Which is that. Okay,

1654
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 1: so all of the stuff about saying something and it

1655
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: becoming real, right, there's there there's sort of a limit

1656
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: to this if if you don't have a gun. Now,

1657
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: if you have a gun, then the limits of that

1658
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 1: are are you know, it's it's you can do basically

1659
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 1: whatever you want because you can just you can force

1660
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: everyone else to also accept this as reality. You know,

1661
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: this is what the state is, right, and there's there's

1662
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 1: a whole there's a whole thing. This is a couple

1663
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,759
Speaker 1: of performance theory. Like yeah, so like you you saying

1664
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: the thing makes it so right? Well, this is this

1665
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: is what a state is. And this is how Bush

1666
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 1: won the election because he, unlike Trump, who's people tried

1667
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: to like take power directly about like Stormy in the Capitol.

1668
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: Bush was smart and Bush was like, oh okay, I'm

1669
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna de clare that I won the election.

1670
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: And but but but instead of like openly doing it right,

1671
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to get the Supreme Court to declare that

1672
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm president. And you know, and this this, this requires

1673
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: the Brook's brothers riot stop the counts and all the stuff.

1674
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: Were like, you know, it's doesn't yeah, yeah, it's great,

1675
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: but it's like it doesn't it doesn't matter that, you know,

1676
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: he he didn't win Florida, like if if if if

1677
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: if if if the if the votes had actually been counted,

1678
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 1: he would not have won Florida. But because he was

1679
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: able to get the courts to say that he was president,

1680
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: he was president. And and that's that is the concept

1681
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: of magic words yep, yep, and this is this is this,

1682
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Speaker 1: this is this is all the state is right, it's

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01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: this this this the state is magic with a gun

1684
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 1: behind it. Yeah it is, yeah, the state of magic.

1685
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: Because he's like, yeah, you're right. It's like magic can

1686
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: have a hard cap. There's gonna be a certain people that,

1687
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, with with with Trump's reality altering kind of power,

1688
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 1: there's a certain that there is a hardcap on how

1689
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: much I can influence the general population. But if you

1690
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: have a gun behind that, that gives us so much

1691
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: more enforceable power. And to go back to Egyptian mythology,

1692
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: one of the attitudes they had about the pharaoh is

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01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: that reality was whatever the pharaoh declared. Other a lot

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01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 1: of societies of this idea towards their monarchs, and the

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01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 1: duty of his people is to make reality conform to

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Speaker 1: the Pharaoh's will, and like, that's that's what the GOP does.

1697
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: Like that, I think I think the quote surrounding like, yeah,

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01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 1: the Democrats are the reality based party because they because

1699
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 1: they you know, observe it, except the reality and like

1700
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: and yeah and and like and like and like. Libs

1701
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 1: and Democrats are like, yes, they like they take some

1702
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: private like yes, we are rational, we observe reality. Meanwhile

1703
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: the Republicans are like, no, you just observe it, but

1704
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 1: we can just we can create it. I think that

1705
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: is a great example of how those two parties operate

1706
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: politically and how because like, yes, they're both they're both

1707
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 1: the right leading parties. But here's the difference for how

1708
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 1: they actually operate is that one of them is way

1709
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: more passive in their observing of reality, and one is

1710
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: is okay with getting their hands dirty and actually forcing

1711
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: this type of reality altering changes. I will say, I

1712
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: think like one thing to close this out is that

1713
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, we can we when we can tie this

1714
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: all the way back to the second part of the

1715
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Due of Higher episode, which is that the Niokon Neokon

1716
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: project doesn't work. And the reason it doesn't work is

1717
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 1: that you know, they they like they basically they lose

1718
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: militarily and that just that implodes the entire project. And

1719
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: so you know, and if if if if you look

1720
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: back at like all of this stuff about how we

1721
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: can shape reality, we can shape reality, we can shape reality.

1722
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: That stopped being true the moment that you know, like

1723
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: they lose control of Bosra or like you know, all

1724
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: like they when the other people uh Alsader is to

1725
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: be unkillable by all the weapons of Empire. Yeah, yeah,

1726
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: it's like you know, and and Sawder and Solder does

1727
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: this by like you know, Sauder sets up a bunch

1728
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: of baby clinics, right, He's like, here's a bunch of clinics.

1729
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: Here we we we will will give help the pregnant mothers,

1730
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: like are you guys really gonna shoot us? And you know,

1731
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 1: he build a militia around this and he's and he's

1732
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: able to like he's one of the smartest people on

1733
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: the planet. He's yeah, and it's not a good guy,

1734
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: but like completely shatter the neo kons like they they're dead,

1735
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: Like they don't like that that project which was like

1736
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 1: the culmination of this this incredible like that described on

1737
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 1: electro prodectsble military project and they got their absolute as

1738
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 1: kick by watch of people doing dual power. Yep, I think,

1739
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: and I I really, I do want to talk more

1740
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: about kind of chaos magic and there's a lot on

1741
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: the pot ground and I think, but yeah, I think

1742
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:43,839
Speaker 1: this is a great interesting how the how these concepts

1743
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: overlapped with politics and reality. Disagree on the end of

1744
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,799
Speaker 1: this with one aspect, Garrison, because you said their reality

1745
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: can't be pierced, but the ancient texts speak of a

1746
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: spear that once pierced the side of Christ itself, and

1747
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: while Hitler held it, his armies were send it, but

1748
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 1: it was stolen. And if we can find the Sparrison,

1749
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: we can pierce their reality. Hey, I have a Fedora,

1750
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: I have a whip. We could we all have fedora, Garrison,

1751
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's go. We are. We are off

1752
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: to find the spear that sides us off, the Spear

1753
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: of Destiny. You can follow our adventures happened here pod

1754
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: and Nicolson Media on Twitter. Um and yeah, I'm sure

1755
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 1: we will give you updates for our spirit ventures at

1756
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 1: the pod. Sophie, we need half a million dollars to

1757
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: find the Spirit of Destiny. Okay, great, see you on

1758
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: the other side, Hey, lead the listeners take here. Last

1759
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 1: season on Lethal Lit, you might remember I came to

1760
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: Hollow Falls on a mission clearing my aunt best name

1761
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: and making sure justice was finally served. But I hadn't

1762
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,799
Speaker 1: counted on a rap show of new murders tearing apart

1763
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: the town. My mission put myself and my friends in danger.

1764
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 1: Though it wasn't all bad, I'm going to be real

1765
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Ify Tig, I like you, But now all signs point

1766
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: to a new serial killer in Hollow Falls. If this

1767
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 1: game is just starting, you better believe I'm gonna win.

1768
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm Tig Torres and this is Lethal Lit. Catch up

1769
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: on season one of the hit murder mystery podcast Lethal Lit.

1770
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 1: A tag Torre's mystery out now, and then tune in

1771
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: for all new thrills in the season two, dropping weekly

1772
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: starting February nine. Subscribe now to never miss an episode.

1773
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 1: Listen to Leave a Lit on the I Heart Radio app,

1774
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The art

1775
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: world it is essentially a money laundering business. The best

1776
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: fakes are still hanging off people's walls. You know they

1777
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: don't even know or suspect that they're fakes. I'm out

1778
01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:00,639
Speaker 1: like Baldwin and this is a podcast about deception, greed

1779
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: and forgery in the art world. You knew the painting

1780
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: was fake. Um. Listen to Art Fraud starting February one

1781
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever

1782
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. I call the Union Hall as

1783
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: his matter, life and death. I thank these peoples of

1784
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: planning to kill Dr King. On April four, Dr Martin

1785
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Luther King was shot and killed in Memphis. A petty

1786
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: criminal named James Earl Ray was arrested. He pled guilty

1787
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: to the crime and spent the rest of his life

1788
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: in prison. Case closed right, James L. Ray was upon

1789
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,560
Speaker 1: for the official story. The authorities would parade all we

1790
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: found a gun the James L. Ray bought in Birmingham

1791
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,560
Speaker 1: the kill Dr King, except it isn't the gun that

1792
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 1: killed Dr. King. One of the problems that came out

1793
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: when I got the ray case was that some of

1794
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,600
Speaker 1: the evidence, as far as I was concerned, did not

1795
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: match the circumstances. This is the MLK tapes. The first

1796
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,719
Speaker 1: episodes are available now. Listen on the I Heart Radio app,

1797
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kill them

1798
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: All this has been it could happen here. The show

1799
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 1: where I just kill them all. Harrison and Chris want

1800
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 1: to let's take over. Oh boys, woke up. I haven't

1801
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: have coffee yet. That is incredibly spooky, urging murder. Well,

1802
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 1: it is spooky. You're right, this is true. I didn't

1803
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 1: realize that until just now. But retroactively that makes it fine,

1804
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 1: extreme spoky. Yeah, what are we doing? Who are we?

1805
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: We're we're doing We're where it can happen here. We're

1806
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: doing this is this is This is a a podcast

1807
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: where we talk about spooky stuff that happens around Halloween,

1808
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 1: and today we are doing the spookiest thing of all,

1809
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: which will be revealed shortly. Oh boy, I hope it's

1810
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 1: Will Wheaton. Is not what Wheaton? Well, unfortunately, I really

1811
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: I really should have looked for that tie in because

1812
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: there might be one is a CIA asset, we might

1813
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 1: get there. I don't know. Okay, see this is this

1814
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: is I'm hacking a fraud and I didn't actually look

1815
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: into this. Well we missed it, you and most journalists. Yeah,

1816
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 1: all right, what are we? What are we doing? What

1817
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: are we doing? On June four, a rancher named W. W.

1818
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 1: Mac Brazil and his son Vernon We're driving me across

1819
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 1: their property when they encountered quote a large area of

1820
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: bright wreckage made up of strips, tinfoil, and rather tough

1821
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: paper and sticks. Yeah me too, Just a regular night

1822
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: in in in Oregon. But yeah, yeah, well buzzles back

1823
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: in a time where people are baffled when weird things happened,

1824
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 1: instead of going oh it's Tuesday, so oh man, what

1825
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: a time. Yeah, so they didn't just go straight to Twitter. No, no,

1826
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 1: he he, you know, he doesn't. That was actually, you know,

1827
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 1: I kind of like reasonably a reasonably responsible thing to do,

1828
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: in which is that he spends about a week like

1829
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: picking up all of the scraps that he can and

1830
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 1: like putting them in a box and he he drives

1831
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 1: it to the sheriff and the sheriff, his name is George.

1832
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: That says a lot about the difference in urgency back then,

1833
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, this is important, I'll spend a

1834
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: week getting everything together, take it off to the share.

1835
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: Like before the Internet you could really afford to sit.

1836
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: It was an era in which like if you had

1837
01:40:55,439 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: a busy life, three things happened. Okay, yeah. So so

1838
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 1: George Wilcox, the sheriff, looks at this and it's like,

1839
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 1: I have no idea what any of this crap is, Like,

1840
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 1: what is happening? So he takes it to Roswell Air

1841
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: Force Base for further investigation. Now, Colonel Butch Blanche, the

1842
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 1: commander of Roswell Airfields five O nine Composite Group you

1843
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: know it send sends a team out to analyze the wreckage,

1844
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 1: which includes an Air Force intelligence officer named Major Major

1845
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Jesse Marcel. Now Marcel gives a now infamous series of

1846
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: quotes to the media that results in the Roswell Daily

1847
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: Record running the sentence quote. The Intelligence office of the

1848
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,560
Speaker 1: five O ninth Bombardment Group at Roswell Airfield announced that

1849
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 1: noon that the field has come into possession of a

1850
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: flying saucer. Now this is the birth. Yeah, I mean,

1851
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: this isn't the birth of modern ufiology, but this is

1852
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: you know this, this is one of the most important

1853
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: error events. And the pictures do rule all of all

1854
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: of the Roswell pictures are super rat because it's just

1855
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:03,480
Speaker 1: random ship in the field, and they're like, it's aliens.

1856
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: There's a random ship in the field. Now this this

1857
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: is all happening to be just like like scattered sort

1858
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 1: of reports of UFOs that have been cropping up throughout

1859
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 1: the sort of like the post war era. Yeah, and

1860
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: the next day, the Air Force releases a statement saying

1861
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: there's no flying saucer in the wreckage. Is just an

1862
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 1: air balloon? Is this you know it's it's it's just yeah. Yeah,

1863
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 1: so the airport sure air Force weather balloon. Yeah, yeah,

1864
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 1: they're lying. Everyone knows they're lying. But this is where

1865
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 1: things get bad because when Mark Brasil really discovered with

1866
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 1: something even spookier and more sinister than aliens. Mark Brazil

1867
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 1: had discovered was the American military Industrial complex. It turned out,

1868
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's it's real spooky. It's yeah, we're right.

1869
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: By by the end of this episode, they will have

1870
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 1: I had to cut two times they almost killed everyone

1871
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 1: on Earth. Okay, well all right, so we're gonna be

1872
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: judging folks for almost killing everyone on Earth, like you

1873
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,679
Speaker 1: haven't almost killed everyone on Earth. Come on, that's true,

1874
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 1: that's true. Podcasting saves me from a mass distinction of

1875
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: the entire human race and will eventually end all life

1876
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 1: on this planet. I believe in podcasting's potential to kill

1877
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: absolutely everyone. Yeah, it's it's great, it's it's a time.

1878
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 1: It's actually you know this part part of this is

1879
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:29,560
Speaker 1: actually going to be about how we get to the

1880
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: point where everyone is podcasting on the internet. De belt

1881
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 1: things that that does. This does absolutely plagued in to

1882
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 1: the Swell incident. Yeah, because there's a there's a strong

1883
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 1: line between ship like Coast to Coast FM and the

1884
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:48,799
Speaker 1: old like conspiracy you know, the precursors to that alien

1885
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: UFO whatever radio shows and ship on the on the

1886
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: wide band back in the day, and uh in podcasts

1887
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: where we are right now. Yep, it's it's great, it's

1888
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: a it's a good time. We're descended from great media.

1889
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:03,639
Speaker 1: We're going to continue to produce green media where totally

1890
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 1: not just like an extremely a much larger version of

1891
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 1: the radio broadcast you get right before genocide. That's like,

1892
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 1: that's not what's happening here. It's all in fact good

1893
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: and cool. I mean, this is why I tell people

1894
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: too get machetes. It's true that was a bad made

1895
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 1: that made that comment. Look, we just we we just

1896
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: we just we just got to make sure only ways

1897
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 1: to blaze on right ahead. Now, the Air Force is

1898
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 1: lying out of its ass. But the Air Force isn't

1899
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 1: lying out of its ass because they have a flying saucer.

1900
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 1: The Air Force knows precisely what they've gotten their hands

1901
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: on here because the other identified flying object that has

1902
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 1: trashed at Roswell is actually something called Project Mogul. Now

1903
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: to understand Project Mogul, we need to go back a

1904
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, in the US drops two nuclear bombs

1905
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:55,919
Speaker 1: of Japan. And this does a lot of things literally

1906
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: all of which are bad um. And what one of

1907
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 1: which is that it sets off a sort of and

1908
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 1: it's it sets off you know, the thing that we

1909
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 1: all live in now, which is the nuclear arms race

1910
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 1: between the U S and the U S s R.

1911
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 1: Who you know, but pretty quickly after World War two

1912
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: are just bitter enemies, and you know, but there's just

1913
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 1: bores raging across the world between communist anti companist forces.

1914
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: This is what's war in China, I mean in Greece,

1915
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 1: which I think people know. People know more about the

1916
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: Chinese of war, people know less about Greece. Were just

1917
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,679
Speaker 1: like the British. The British are like, oh, the Communist

1918
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 1: are gonna take power, So they just like give all

1919
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 1: the guns back to the fascist and they start doing

1920
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: the Holocaust again, and that you know, sets off this

1921
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 1: own another civil war there. And you know, as as

1922
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: as Europe becomes you know, divided between the two great powers,

1923
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: the US becomes increasingly worried about the USS are crying

1924
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 1: acquiring their own nuclear weapons. So to detect the potential

1925
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: Soviet nuclear test, the US embarked on Project Mogil. Project

1926
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Mogil sent six d and fifty seven foot balloons. These

1927
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 1: are like massively, they're twice the size that's actually of liberty. Yeah,

1928
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:04,960
Speaker 1: those balloons are bigger than a balloon needs to be. Yeah,

1929
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 1: they're they're too large. It's too big for balloons. And

1930
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 1: they so they load these balloons with like sensor and

1931
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:15,839
Speaker 1: listening equipment to like detecting nuclear detonation. They like they

1932
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 1: like float them into the upper jet stream and the

1933
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: jetteam like pushed them to Russia. Is sort of the

1934
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,600
Speaker 1: plan behind it, and this sort of works, except the

1935
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:26,639
Speaker 1: Russians don't have nukes yet. So yeah, this, by the way,

1936
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 1: is also why the song Red Balloons was not just

1937
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 1: a banger but also very realistic, because we absolutely could

1938
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 1: have had a nuclear exchange over some fucking balloons. Oh yeah, yeah,

1939
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 1: actually I don't I'm not sure there's any direct balloon

1940
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 1: related near nuclear exchanges in this episode, but don't worry.

1941
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 1: It happened. Yeah, well, you know, and what what what

1942
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: it did actually do was you know, set off the

1943
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 1: modern UFO thing because you know, one of these balloons

1944
01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 1: like fails and it's it's views the records around and

1945
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 1: you know there's, yeah, this this, you know, this is this.

1946
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: Then you see a bunch of the problems that are

1947
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen with the rest of how the course of

1948
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:15,759
Speaker 1: UFOs go, because you know, you have initially the government's

1949
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: like we have a flying saucer and then they turn

1950
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 1: around and do this like incredibly half ass cover up

1951
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: that like everyone knows his fake and you know, so

1952
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, because Americans are Americans, they don't assume that

1953
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 1: like the US is, you know, creating a devastating new

1954
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:34,120
Speaker 1: surveillance and intelligence program that would be used to further

1955
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: total nuclear war. Instead they go, it's aliens, Yeah, because

1956
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: we're great at okoins Razor. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a time.

1957
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 1: But I think what's really important here is it what

1958
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: Brazil had actually made first contact with was America's new

1959
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 1: thermal nuclear monarchy. And this is something that I think

1960
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 1: more people should talk about, which is that having nukes

1961
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 1: just as a thing massively centralizes power into sort of

1962
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 1: individual people and the executive branch. Because you know, so

1963
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 1: if you have nuclear weapons, right, the theory is that

1964
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 1: you have to have one person who presses the button

1965
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:08,720
Speaker 1: to shoot them, and you can't have like, you know,

1966
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 1: there's not enough time for like a parliamentary delivered or

1967
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:15,600
Speaker 1: body to like set the dukes off. And so this

1968
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: becomes this rationale for enormously centralizing the party executive branch.

1969
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 1: And this this produces an absolutely terrifying new wage of

1970
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: state secrecy, filled with increasingly powerful and clandestine government agencies

1971
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 1: and bureaucracies ranging from the CIA are Good Friends to

1972
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 1: the much lesser known Atomic Energy Commission and these agencies

1973
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: the power of their secrecy is so strong that I mean,

1974
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 1: by the Atomic Energy Commissions, like successor agency decides that

1975
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,799
Speaker 1: they can keep secrets from the president on the basis

1976
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 1: that the president does not need to know, which is

1977
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: absolutely horrifying. Well yeah, I mean, look, it's just you've

1978
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 1: got a democracy, and that's going to be a problem

1979
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:02,519
Speaker 1: because it in democracy people presumably to make choices, and

1980
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: if you don't want them to decide not to continue

1981
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 1: making weird ship to throw into the sky, then you

1982
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 1: know why, you probably should just not tell anybody anything. Yeah. Well,

1983
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 1: and that that particular story is also grim I it's

1984
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 1: one thing that was debating covering they're they're covering up

1985
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 1: the fact that they deliberately poisoned enormous like hundreds and

1986
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 1: hundreds of people with radiation to do human testing on them. Yeah,

1987
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to know this, Like it doesn't need

1988
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:32,560
Speaker 1: to know about you know. I mean it's like we

1989
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 1: don't tell Sophie. Guys, a lot of the things that

1990
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: we do our budget. Um, like when we irradiated all

1991
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 1: those people for a podcast, we're we're still not telling

1992
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 1: Sophie that, Yeah, it could happen here black budget remain secret. Yeah,

1993
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 1: it is a lot of money. Please continue. Now. All

1994
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 1: of the secrecy around this, and the fact that these

1995
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 1: cover ups are like the most half asked ship anyone

1996
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,600
Speaker 1: has ever seen, you know it could it fuels his

1997
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 1: rampant speculation around UFOs and the conspiracy theorists are also

1998
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,599
Speaker 1: aided by the fact that people keep seeing weird flying objects.

1999
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 1: Be sure, do we love We love to see weird

2000
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,679
Speaker 1: ship in this guy. We are very good at it. Yeah,

2001
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 1: it's we're incredible. It's see it and this guy is

2002
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 1: full of weird. It's true. I saw crow the other day. Anyway. Yeah,

2003
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 1: in hundreds of people start who are on airplanes start

2004
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 1: seeing these just enormous flaming crosses flying in possibly high

2005
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:35,639
Speaker 1: and possibly fastened the sky, and publicly KKs gained space flight.

2006
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 1: It's it's worse than that. It's it's the people. The

2007
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 1: people doing this are worse than the KKK, which is

2008
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 1: what a sentence. It's great, it's yeah. So so you know,

2009
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 1: in public, the US governments like whatever, these aren't the thing,

2010
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 1: they're fake, whatever their mediological disservices. In private, the passengers

2011
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,719
Speaker 1: who are on these jets that that see these flaming

2012
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,799
Speaker 1: Crosses are all detained the FBI and sworn to secrecy

2013
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 1: after providing accounts of what they'd seen. Awesome and yeah,

2014
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 1: and this this is also part of the surf uf

2015
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 1: OL mythology. And this does actually happen like that, The

2016
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 1: FBI does actually show up to these people. Well, that's

2017
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 1: who you send in when you want people to stop

2018
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 1: wondering if something shady is going on. Yeah. Yeah, it's

2019
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 1: when I hear the FBI is telling people to shut

2020
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: up about something, I think, well, that's not worth looking

2021
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 1: into it all. When you have five men in suits

2022
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 1: and sunglasses show at your door and talk about something,

2023
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, that means definitely thing is fine and normal.

2024
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 1: You know what I don't think of when I think

2025
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:37,560
Speaker 1: of the FBI UFO cover ups. It's great. Yeah, this

2026
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: is this is This is America's first contact with yet

2027
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 1: another new part of his clandestine military military bureaucracy. Area

2028
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: fifty one. Area fifty one is a secret military aeronautics

2029
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 1: research and development facility built on a salt flat called

2030
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:56,720
Speaker 1: Lake Groom inside the massive Nevada Test and Training Range UM.

2031
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 1: This place, by the way, this place is massive. This

2032
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 1: place is like the size of connect Like, it's like

2033
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 1: larger than Connecticut, It's larger than than most of the

2034
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 1: eastern state. Yeah, it's enormous. And but you know, it's

2035
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:08,680
Speaker 1: something I think it's very interesting about this is that,

2036
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 1: for all it's mystique, Area fifty one is not the

2037
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: most dangerous facility on the Nevada tests and training right now.

2038
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 1: That's they're fifty two, the sub level below where they

2039
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:19,719
Speaker 1: store the real weird ship. Yeah. Okay, so I watched

2040
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:21,680
Speaker 1: I watched a few YouTube videos. I think I know

2041
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about definitely, so that we are actually

2042
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: going to get to all right, Yeah, well, the thing,

2043
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: the thing that's actually really dangerous is areas twelve, nineteen,

2044
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 1: and twenty, because that's the Nevada areas. Do these motherfucker's names.

2045
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: There's a damn all these things, yeah, all the others,

2046
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 1: because I mean this, this this is like a state

2047
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: sized like testing facility. Right, Okay, they get all these

2048
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 1: fucking areas, but the branch Davidians have one compound where

2049
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 1: they don't even do very many illegal things, and suddenly

2050
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:54,720
Speaker 1: it's a problem. Here's the thing that let's see how

2051
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: it is. Video has never had nukes and that that

2052
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:01,800
Speaker 1: that that could could you imagine though, pretty amazed. You

2053
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 1: know what, if they'd had nukes about like a D,

2054
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:10,720
Speaker 1: people would still be alive maybe for everyone would be dead. Yeah,

2055
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: that's two a D people would be alive or everyone

2056
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 1: on Earth would be dead. So Area fifty one is

2057
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: the partner of the Nevada test site, which which is

2058
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 1: areas twelveth, nineteen and twenty, and that's where the real

2059
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:27,519
Speaker 1: dangerous ship happens, which is the US test nuclear weapons there. Okay,

2060
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 1: but we need to make it clear at the outset

2061
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 1: we should not be underestimating Area fifty one. That place

2062
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 1: has done irreparable harm to the cause of world peace

2063
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 1: and very nearly like cause us all to go extinct

2064
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 1: several times. So do not underestimate the power of of

2065
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 1: of military spy airplanes yeah can lead us all destruction.

2066
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 1: Are honestly way more way more spooky than any little

2067
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 1: gray creatures at large. Different various planes, just with cameras

2068
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 1: on them have gotten us closer to the extermination of

2069
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 1: all life on Earth and basically anything else except for

2070
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: that one computer buck that the Russians had that would

2071
01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 1: have killed us all if not for Petrov. I think

2072
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 1: his name is I forget his last name. That one

2073
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:16,720
Speaker 1: guy who was like, we're not going to have a

2074
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 1: nuclear war right now, Well, there's there's a lot this is.

2075
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: This is Weirdly the Soviets come out looking like yeah,

2076
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: so yeah. It's like every every time there's almost a

2077
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,759
Speaker 1: nuclear war, it's like it doesn't happen because the Soviets

2078
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,040
Speaker 1: are like no, and the Americans are like, we want

2079
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 1: this war and the like. When it comes to atomic

2080
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 1: apocalypse stories, if you, if you, if you tally up

2081
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 1: all the columns, because the Soviets definitely have a few

2082
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:45,480
Speaker 1: in their side, but it winds up way more fucked

2083
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 1: up nuke incidents on the U S side of things

2084
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 1: than the Soviet side of things, although there wasn't. That

2085
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 1: time they built a bomb so big that it might

2086
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:55,360
Speaker 1: have changed to the tilt of the earth if they had,

2087
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 1: and at the last moment they were like, let's take

2088
01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 1: half of the zile material out of this. This like

2089
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 1: a bad idea, It's it's great. Yeah, so so speak

2090
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 1: speaking of bad ideas involving in involving nuclear weapons. So

2091
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 1: oh no, I thought, speaking speaking ideas, you know what

2092
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 1: else will change the tilt of the earth? The products

2093
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 1: and services, their quality. It's so intent that it's like

2094
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 1: the Czarre bomba. It is just like that explosive potential. Yeah.

2095
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:39,560
Speaker 1: Area fifty one was founded in nineteen fifty one by

2096
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 1: the Atomic Energy Commission, a federal agency established as a

2097
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 1: successor to the mother of all black projects, the Manhattan Project.

2098
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 1: Now black projects are secret off the book's military defense projects,

2099
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:52,919
Speaker 1: the existence of which are kept secret even from Congress,

2100
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 1: which is a totally cool and normal thing to have

2101
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 1: in a democracy when you're representative body does not know

2102
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 1: what what out what what the military is doing. Now,

2103
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: Avery fifty one is interesting because it's it's basically like

2104
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 1: a black project of a black project. It's so secret

2105
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 1: that like the Vice President lb J, who is like

2106
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 1: not a funk off vice president, right, is this is

2107
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:22,000
Speaker 1: lb J? Like LBJ, He's he's like type yeah yeah,

2108
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 1: And and she's also gonn show up the story briefly

2109
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, like even he didn't actually really know what

2110
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 1: was going on there until like after JFK was assassinated.

2111
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 1: So this this place is really secret, and as best

2112
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:37,080
Speaker 1: we can tell, in its first four years, it was

2113
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 1: essentially the Atomic Energy Commission I basically wanted a place

2114
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 1: to do off the books, like pilot and aircraft testing,

2115
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 1: and they were able to do the successfully that like

2116
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 1: we basically don't know what they did for four years.

2117
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, but but but in the facility has taken

2118
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 1: over by an even spooky organization, the Central Intelligence Agency,

2119
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 1: our our old friends. Now that the CIA, you know,

2120
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:09,080
Speaker 1: this is this n and the CIA has spent the

2121
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 1: early years of the Cold War getting just it's absolute

2122
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 1: ass handed to it in Europe because you know, this

2123
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 1: is what happens with a bunch of different Harvard grads

2124
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: in like yeah, because the people with acid and that's

2125
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 1: all they're doing. Yeah, yeah, but probise. So they're running

2126
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 1: into a real intelligence stategency, which is the KGB, who like,

2127
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:28,440
Speaker 1: like those guys do not sunk around. They don't just

2128
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 1: poison people with acid. They they they're they they're they're

2129
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 1: much much more intense than than the early fifties the CIA. Yeah, yeah,

2130
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:37,720
Speaker 1: and so and so they have this real problem which

2131
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:42,080
Speaker 1: is that they the CIA basically can't get intelligence out

2132
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 1: of Eastern Europe, which is bad when your whole, like

2133
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 1: your entire like state is based off of like fighting

2134
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:52,280
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe. So the kin of your main target. Yeah. Yeah,

2135
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 1: So the solution is to fly a plane really high

2136
01:57:55,520 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 1: over Russia and uses to take pictures. Now seems good. Yeah,

2137
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 1: Like I think like this sounds like I think kind

2138
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 1: of banal to us in the twenty one century, where

2139
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 1: like this is this is like this is like this

2140
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:10,840
Speaker 1: is like pre satellite Yeah yeah, and and you know,

2141
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:13,200
Speaker 1: like like we were all just sort of used to

2142
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 1: the fact that like the government is buying on us

2143
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 1: at all times. We sure are, but you know, in

2144
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: in in the nine this is incredibly radical. Like the

2145
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 1: the US, the US has only had intelligent agencies for

2146
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:28,800
Speaker 1: like ten years, and there is no precedent at all.

2147
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,920
Speaker 1: There's none, no precedent for flying surveillance over a country

2148
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 1: you aren't actively at war with, Like the only reason

2149
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,280
Speaker 1: you flying airplane over countries if you're about to bomb them.

2150
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 1: People should note also that like the first ten years

2151
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 1: or so that we had an intelligence industry, every single

2152
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 1: or that we had ant like intelligence agencies, every single

2153
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 1: vote for funding them, every single like vote for giving

2154
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:55,120
Speaker 1: them new powers was like universally supported by both parties.

2155
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:58,280
Speaker 1: There was there was zero dissent about whether or not

2156
01:58:58,440 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 1: we should have a c I, A and they should

2157
01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 1: have a giant black budget to do all sorts of

2158
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:05,080
Speaker 1: scary ship that might provoke a nuclear war. People are

2159
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:07,760
Speaker 1: just like, well, of course it's really bad. And I

2160
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:09,720
Speaker 1: think this is this is you know, this is what

2161
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 1: Area fifty one actually is. The Area fifty one is

2162
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 1: the place where the development is, the permanent intelligent industrial

2163
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:21,360
Speaker 1: complex is permanently solidified. And this all starts with the

2164
01:59:21,480 --> 01:59:26,200
Speaker 1: U two. Now, the CIA brings in Lucked Martin and

2165
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:30,000
Speaker 1: a little known but very powerful and influential defense contractor

2166
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:33,000
Speaker 1: called E. G and G. Who I mean, they do

2167
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, but that's such a defense contractor. Yeah,

2168
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:37,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's like it's the ultimate defense contra nation,

2169
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,800
Speaker 1: actual name, and nobody knows who they are because they

2170
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 1: make like cameras and like film equipment and stuff. But like,

2171
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, so these are the people who like made

2172
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:49,200
Speaker 1: the cameras that could take pictures of nuclear Yeah, yeah,

2173
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:52,360
Speaker 1: and you know, and so and so the CIA brings

2174
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 1: them all to this like remote testing Rage in Nevada

2175
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 1: to work in a secret project called Dragon Lady. Now

2176
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 1: in its early stages, Area fifty one is so secret

2177
01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 1: that like even the Air Force doesn't know about it,

2178
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 1: and this like really pisss off the Air Forces senior

2179
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 1: senior generals, in particular a guy who was going to

2180
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 1: become very important to the story, Air Force General Curtis LeMay,

2181
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: who like that man like that. I I don't say

2182
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:21,800
Speaker 1: this very often about historical figures, but like if someone

2183
02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 1: had assassinated General Curtis Lemie, the world like we would

2184
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:27,800
Speaker 1: like the amount safer that the world would have been.

2185
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:32,720
Speaker 1: Described the architects of saturation bombing started in World War

2186
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:37,520
Speaker 1: Two and continuing. Uh and from up to now we

2187
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:40,440
Speaker 1: didn't stop. And that is that is not the worst

2188
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:44,920
Speaker 1: thing he's involved in. Yeah, now, but in Lomay is

2189
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 1: extremely piste off that the CIA doesn't tell them about this,

2190
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 1: and he's going to remember that that that's gonna become

2191
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:53,440
Speaker 1: important later in this story. But eventually the CIA is

2192
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:55,400
Speaker 1: forced to bring the Air Force into Area fifty one

2193
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:58,400
Speaker 1: for a number of reasons, partially because they're flying airplanes

2194
02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:00,560
Speaker 1: and partially because the YouTube is kind of a piece

2195
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 1: of ship, you know, and part of it Okay, so

2196
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:05,560
Speaker 1: they're learning how to fly plane is really high for

2197
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:08,840
Speaker 1: the first time, but you know the YouTube if you

2198
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 1: fly it too slowly. It's stalls, which is like, Okay,

2199
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of a normal airplane. The you the YouTube

2200
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 1: is an amazing aircraft because it just as the most

2201
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 1: absurd pieces of aviation equipment ever designed, and like watching

2202
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,160
Speaker 1: those things take off and land is the most funny

2203
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 1: thing on that's wild. Like the other problem is like

2204
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:28,920
Speaker 1: as a stalling problem, but also has the problem if

2205
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:31,360
Speaker 1: you fly it too fast, the wings will fall off.

2206
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:38,919
Speaker 1: Okay's plane, Chris. It's so it's so massive and so fragile.

2207
02:01:39,480 --> 02:01:42,680
Speaker 1: The wings are so heavy and so large. It's one

2208
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:46,440
Speaker 1: of the most ridiculous pieces of equipment ever designed. It's

2209
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:49,960
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. So yeah, so the CIA needs help

2210
02:01:50,040 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 1: to get this thing working. And so the result is

2211
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:54,000
Speaker 1: that Area fifty one at this point is is staffed

2212
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,480
Speaker 1: by about it's one third CIA, one third Air Force,

2213
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:59,080
Speaker 1: and one third Locking Martin. What a what a combination

2214
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:04,000
Speaker 1: these are the god, can you imagine that cafeteria. The conversations.

2215
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 1: It's wild too, because it's like, because you have a

2216
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:08,520
Speaker 1: bunch of just like spooks, right, You're a bunch of

2217
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:10,440
Speaker 1: just like people. And then there's just like a bunch

2218
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:14,240
Speaker 1: of test pilots who are like just nuts and have

2219
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 1: been like a bunch of like like people who are

2220
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,720
Speaker 1: like genuine war heroes who like fought in World War

2221
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,720
Speaker 1: two but then went turned around and like it did

2222
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:30,560
Speaker 1: horrible war crimes and like Koreas like Tom Cruise from

2223
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:34,800
Speaker 1: Top Gun but with horrible PTSD and Michael Douglas from

2224
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:37,800
Speaker 1: falling down. He hasn't picked up a gun yet. We can,

2225
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,880
Speaker 1: we can, we can mention this now. So top the

2226
02:02:40,120 --> 02:02:42,720
Speaker 1: reason that Top Gun exists is actually also AREAFT one?

2227
02:02:43,160 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Because at one point the US, like

2228
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:52,480
Speaker 1: so the Israeli's managed to convince it was three pilots

2229
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:55,040
Speaker 1: to defect, and then they gave the airplane to the US,

2230
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 1: and so the US spent a bunch of time like

2231
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:59,160
Speaker 1: flying this big twenty three a round and figuring out

2232
02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:01,400
Speaker 1: how it worked. And that's how they like trained they

2233
02:03:01,400 --> 02:03:03,360
Speaker 1: basically trained all their pilots because they suddenly do how

2234
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:04,840
Speaker 1: the Biggs worked, and that's that's the origin of the

2235
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:07,840
Speaker 1: top Gun program. But then also hilariously that the Biggs

2236
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:10,360
Speaker 1: got their revenge when when an Air Force general whose

2237
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:11,960
Speaker 1: name is whose name is I am not making this up.

2238
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:14,960
Speaker 1: His name is General Bond and he was like he's

2239
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 1: like shows up you want like I want to fly,

2240
02:03:16,720 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 1: I want to fly and make eighteen and they're like okay, buddy,

2241
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:21,480
Speaker 1: And then he just flew into a mountain and died,

2242
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:27,879
Speaker 1: which okay, well all right, we have turned my opinions.

2243
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, which is like a really that is

2244
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:38,080
Speaker 1: the fast, difficult to control plane. Just that rules, that

2245
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:42,280
Speaker 1: rules so hard. I see, I was. You just completely

2246
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 1: changed my opinion of this man. That is that is

2247
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 1: the that is incredibly based. Unfortunately, there's a lot of

2248
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:53,440
Speaker 1: other way more depressing plane crashes that happens here. And

2249
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:55,840
Speaker 1: part of the reason it's bad is because you know

2250
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:57,520
Speaker 1: this this whole thing is a black I have trouble

2251
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:01,840
Speaker 1: imagine being depressed about anyone there die. Oh it's it's

2252
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:04,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of so there there's a I don't really

2253
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:06,440
Speaker 1: care as much about the people. But like so there's

2254
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of like fourteen of the people who are

2255
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:11,880
Speaker 1: flying you twos like die and they like they crashed

2256
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:15,360
Speaker 1: into a mountain and one of that about and it's like, yeah,

2257
02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 1: but but that sucks about it? Is it like like

2258
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:20,720
Speaker 1: the U. S. Government lies to their families for like

2259
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:24,480
Speaker 1: half a century about how they died. It's like this sucks,

2260
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:27,080
Speaker 1: But then it gets even worse because again this is

2261
02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, this, this is the Black Project of like

2262
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:32,440
Speaker 1: all black projects, and that means that they have a

2263
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:35,160
Speaker 1: bunch of people from Operation paper Clip, because again this

2264
02:04:35,320 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 1: is a facility run by the CIA in the nineteen fifties,

2265
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 1: and so they let these literal not a bunch of

2266
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:44,880
Speaker 1: literal Nazi Nazi doctors rut in durance test on potential

2267
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:49,120
Speaker 1: YouTube pilots. Now, these doctors are Nazi concentration camp doctors

2268
02:04:49,160 --> 02:04:52,120
Speaker 1: who had performed horrific human experiments on people in the camps.

2269
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 1: So naturally when they do endurance test, they torture people.

2270
02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:58,520
Speaker 1: So they would do things like they would force pilots

2271
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:00,840
Speaker 1: to like hold their arms under ice water for like

2272
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:02,560
Speaker 1: it's on me long times. They would traft with the

2273
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 1: chairs just like randomly electrocute different parts of their body,

2274
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 1: and it was like it's it's a nightmare, Like it's yeah,

2275
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, this is what happens when you give the

2276
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:13,080
Speaker 1: Nazis free reign over completely secretesting facility where no one

2277
02:05:13,120 --> 02:05:15,200
Speaker 1: can even talk about what people did to them. It's

2278
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:18,440
Speaker 1: it's great, it's great, it's it's this is this is

2279
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:20,960
Speaker 1: why you don't have black projects because the Nazis wind

2280
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:25,040
Speaker 1: up in charge of them and they torture people. Yeah,

2281
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 1: I think we're pretty we're pretty all on the same

2282
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:31,480
Speaker 1: page of not having really in the project's bad. Now,

2283
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:34,360
Speaker 1: the CIA has another problem, which is which is a

2284
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:36,960
Speaker 1: much weirder and funnier problem, which that people keep seeing

2285
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:40,800
Speaker 1: their spy planes. Yeah, and so part of this is

2286
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:43,800
Speaker 1: the original you twos were silver, which means that they

2287
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:48,520
Speaker 1: reflected the sun and the flaming cross. Yeah, because first two,

2288
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:54,040
Speaker 1: because they not that all Matt black yea like a

2289
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 1: chromed a chrome. Doubt you too, what do th like?

2290
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:01,720
Speaker 1: It looks like us incredible? Yeah, and it's but you know,

2291
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:03,520
Speaker 1: like this this this is you know, this causes like

2292
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:05,560
Speaker 1: a huge number of the UFO settings just people seeing

2293
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:07,360
Speaker 1: this thing and and eventually they're like, wait, we have

2294
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:10,640
Speaker 1: to make this black because like having a spy plane

2295
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:15,920
Speaker 1: that glows in the sun. Yes, that idea now and

2296
02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:18,360
Speaker 1: worse yet, so you know, the you two can fly

2297
02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:20,560
Speaker 1: at like sixty five feet, which is its way outside

2298
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:23,360
Speaker 1: the range of anti aircraft guns. It is ridiculously how

2299
02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 1: hig how high that plane can go. But the CIA,

2300
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:28,880
Speaker 1: in their eternal hubrists assumes that it's also too high

2301
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:32,360
Speaker 1: for the Soviet radar to work, and so what happens

2302
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:34,880
Speaker 1: instead is that they fly a YouTube directly over the

2303
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:37,800
Speaker 1: Kremlin to like take pictures of Recruise Trevice sleeping, and

2304
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:41,680
Speaker 1: the Soviets just immediately see it and they get really

2305
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:44,400
Speaker 1: piste off because again, like there's no precedent for flying

2306
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:46,160
Speaker 1: a spy plane over a country you're not at war with,

2307
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:49,240
Speaker 1: and they're like, what the funk? Why are you flying planes?

2308
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:51,240
Speaker 1: The problem is that they can't actually like shoot them

2309
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 1: down because the plane is too high up, so there's

2310
02:06:52,920 --> 02:06:55,800
Speaker 1: some they can just see it. Yeah, yeah, And but

2311
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:59,640
Speaker 1: but the US is like, okay, this is not provocative enough, right,

2312
02:06:59,680 --> 02:07:03,120
Speaker 1: Like we've we've now flown we've now flown planes over

2313
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:06,080
Speaker 1: the house of like a guy who can fire nuclear weapons.

2314
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:11,440
Speaker 1: That's not that's incredibly funny. It is very funny. But

2315
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 1: they're like the So Curtis LeMay, who's all, anyway, we

2316
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:20,840
Speaker 1: don't need to actions in front of Russian embassies, continues,

2317
02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:25,920
Speaker 1: So Lemmy is this guy, this guy is a threat

2318
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 1: to all humanity and he has this idea. Okay, he

2319
02:07:28,480 --> 02:07:30,280
Speaker 1: wants to figure out how the he want to figures

2320
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:34,240
Speaker 1: out like how the the USR radar system works, and

2321
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:36,560
Speaker 1: so his plan is he's going to get the USS

2322
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 1: are to trigger the radar system, and he's going to

2323
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:41,720
Speaker 1: do this by flying a thousand B forty seven bombers

2324
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:44,040
Speaker 1: over Alaska and fly them like right at Soviet air

2325
02:07:44,080 --> 02:07:47,320
Speaker 1: space and then turn around the moment before they get in. Guys,

2326
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:52,920
Speaker 1: come on, there's other ways to do trolling, Like you

2327
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:55,280
Speaker 1: don't need to Like, you don't need to risk the

2328
02:07:55,440 --> 02:08:01,400
Speaker 1: entire populations. Yeah, Garrison, see this is why you're not

2329
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:05,040
Speaker 1: an A level troll. Level trolls know that if you're

2330
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:08,720
Speaker 1: not risking the entire future of possibly all life in

2331
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:12,400
Speaker 1: the known universe, then you're just there's other ways to

2332
02:08:13,720 --> 02:08:18,520
Speaker 1: make some friends. Makes makes some friends and troll your friends.

2333
02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:21,800
Speaker 1: It's not that hard. Come on, guys, troll the world

2334
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:25,960
Speaker 1: by by playing chicken with its continued ability to any

2335
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:29,120
Speaker 1: life above the microbial level, like the he has in

2336
02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:30,960
Speaker 1: credle about this. She was the only reason any of

2337
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:34,200
Speaker 1: this works is that the Soviets, like in Soviets are

2338
02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 1: not good. But the Soviets aren't who the Americans say

2339
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:38,840
Speaker 1: they are, Like, you're not Like if if if the

2340
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 1: US had done this against the US, everyone on earth

2341
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:47,160
Speaker 1: would have gone on the end of it. And and

2342
02:08:47,680 --> 02:08:50,840
Speaker 1: may like you can say, like wholmy. Someone asked him

2343
02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:53,360
Speaker 1: about this afterwards and his and she says, and I quote,

2344
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:55,720
Speaker 1: with a little bit more luck, we could have started

2345
02:08:55,760 --> 02:09:00,240
Speaker 1: World War three. Oh man, this guy, this guy's a king.

2346
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:03,840
Speaker 1: Like yeah, they are like that. They are all just

2347
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:06,600
Speaker 1: like like this this is so bad that like the

2348
02:09:06,720 --> 02:09:09,120
Speaker 1: c i A. Sends a panel of like advisers to

2349
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:11,800
Speaker 1: the President telling him that, like, you can't do this

2350
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:14,000
Speaker 1: again because the Soviets will think it's an actual attack.

2351
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:18,320
Speaker 1: When is calling you out, then yeah, I think it's

2352
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:21,680
Speaker 1: time to it's time to wrap up shop. Think we're done.

2353
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:24,680
Speaker 1: And the thing is like this is not the like

2354
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:28,240
Speaker 1: the only just absolutely psychotic thing going on in this period,

2355
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:33,880
Speaker 1: like a round are one. So in seven, the US

2356
02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:37,400
Speaker 1: test the first dirty bomb and they really don't know

2357
02:09:37,560 --> 02:09:39,560
Speaker 1: what this thing is gonna do. And it's like this

2358
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:41,879
Speaker 1: is extremely danious or detonating a bomb it spiced putonium

2359
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:45,400
Speaker 1: if youwhere, but just wait, uh, lest you think that

2360
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 1: detonating a dirty bomb was not dangerous enough. In they

2361
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:52,400
Speaker 1: dropped something called the hood bomb, and this bomb, like

2362
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,040
Speaker 1: the blast this. Okay, they drop this, brought this bomb

2363
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:59,480
Speaker 1: in Nevada, right, the blast of this bomb blows out

2364
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 1: windows and l a people people see this is in

2365
02:10:03,560 --> 02:10:08,680
Speaker 1: people see the explosion in Canada. Great, they see in Mexico,

2366
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:11,000
Speaker 1: like you can see it from eight hundred miles out

2367
02:10:11,080 --> 02:10:13,840
Speaker 1: to see. And the funniest part is that it temporarily

2368
02:10:13,880 --> 02:10:16,200
Speaker 1: renders Area fifty one uninhabitable and they forgot to tell

2369
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:19,000
Speaker 1: the people and are if you want to evacuate, that

2370
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:26,680
Speaker 1: is incredible. Everybody cancer incredibly Yeah, and then you know

2371
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:29,400
Speaker 1: the people still want to work there and so they

2372
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:32,520
Speaker 1: but this is like before they have hasmat suits. So

2373
02:10:32,720 --> 02:10:34,920
Speaker 1: they send a bunch of people in lab coats with

2374
02:10:35,080 --> 02:10:38,040
Speaker 1: like magnets to go collect radioactive bomb fragments so people

2375
02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:43,560
Speaker 1: can bring Great, that's extremely fun, just killing all of

2376
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:47,080
Speaker 1: their I have no yeah, I have no problems with this. Yeah,

2377
02:10:47,200 --> 02:10:49,800
Speaker 1: this is fine. This is completely fine. We have had

2378
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:52,840
Speaker 1: probably saved a lot of lives, honestly. Yeah. Well, the

2379
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:57,480
Speaker 1: problem the problem is though they they like Area fifty

2380
02:10:57,480 --> 02:11:00,440
Speaker 1: one was allowed to resume and that like very nearly

2381
02:11:00,520 --> 02:11:03,600
Speaker 1: killed us all. Yeah, it's been like the more people

2382
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 1: that die there, if you want to get cancer, that

2383
02:11:05,800 --> 02:11:09,280
Speaker 1: probably odds are that contributes to it is it is

2384
02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:11,680
Speaker 1: It is slow death. I guess that's what everyone says

2385
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:17,360
Speaker 1: about radiation poisoning. It happens too slowly. Yeah yeah, Now, okay,

2386
02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:19,920
Speaker 1: So every fifty ones you two's are like continuing to

2387
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:22,400
Speaker 1: do flights and pissing off the Soviets. But unbeknown to

2388
02:11:22,440 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 1: the Americans, the Soviet anti air capacity was rapidly improving,

2389
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:29,920
Speaker 1: and on Mayday nineteen sixty, the US pushes it too

2390
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 1: far and they send a pilot and Gary Powers to

2391
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:34,600
Speaker 1: fly over the Soviet Union, and the Soviets just like

2392
02:11:34,680 --> 02:11:37,000
Speaker 1: shoot the shift out of him and this this is

2393
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:39,160
Speaker 1: actually this really cute moment where like he crashes and

2394
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:41,720
Speaker 1: he survived, and he's found by some radi Soviet farmer,

2395
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:44,680
Speaker 1: and the Soviet farmer just like it's like, oh hey cool,

2396
02:11:44,840 --> 02:11:46,560
Speaker 1: just like gives them a cigarette with Lucky of the

2397
02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:49,160
Speaker 1: Space Dog on it, and they have this very nice

2398
02:11:49,240 --> 02:11:52,640
Speaker 1: moment where they smoke a cigarette together, and then Powers

2399
02:11:52,720 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 1: gets arrested by the Soviet government and put on show

2400
02:11:54,840 --> 02:11:58,040
Speaker 1: for espionage. Now the interesting part about this is that

2401
02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:00,960
Speaker 1: so the US assumes that Powers is dead because when

2402
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:03,240
Speaker 1: they designed the you tube, the Cia was like, oh, yeah,

2403
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:06,640
Speaker 1: if this they didn't tell the pilots, everyone will die.

2404
02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:09,320
Speaker 1: You are done. Yeah yeah. It's like but but you know,

2405
02:12:09,480 --> 02:12:12,040
Speaker 1: Powers lives through it, and so they they they the

2406
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:15,160
Speaker 1: US is like claiming on life television that Powers was like, oh,

2407
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:17,320
Speaker 1: this wasn't the spy plane. He was collecting high altitude

2408
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:21,920
Speaker 1: weather data for the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics. This

2409
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:24,960
Speaker 1: lets Kristiev has like his finest hour here is like

2410
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:28,680
Speaker 1: incredible theatrical moment. He gives this incredible speech that's like

2411
02:12:29,240 --> 02:12:31,280
Speaker 1: he's he's like he's like asking like comrades, like what

2412
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:33,800
Speaker 1: what would happen if Soviet planes flew over Detroit? An

2413
02:12:33,800 --> 02:12:36,240
Speaker 1: immediate war? And he goes on this thing about how

2414
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:38,840
Speaker 1: he's accusing, like he's like, okay, so who who said

2415
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:40,280
Speaker 1: the spy plane? And he's like, well, it couldn't be

2416
02:12:40,280 --> 02:12:42,440
Speaker 1: the American people. It must have been the American militarist

2417
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:45,839
Speaker 1: running this spiplane program without the knowledge of the commander

2418
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:48,560
Speaker 1: in chief. And so the US like keeps denying it,

2419
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:51,560
Speaker 1: and then Christief a couple days later gainst this another

2420
02:12:51,680 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 1: incredible line. I'm gonna quote from this speech because it

2421
02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:57,280
Speaker 1: rules comrades. He said, I must let you win on

2422
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:59,440
Speaker 1: a secret. When I made a report two days ago,

2423
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:02,000
Speaker 1: I delivered refrained from mentioning that we have the remains

2424
02:13:02,040 --> 02:13:04,480
Speaker 1: of the plane and we also have the pilot who

2425
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:07,840
Speaker 1: was quite alive and kicking, and the US just like

2426
02:13:07,960 --> 02:13:12,000
Speaker 1: it gets owned because safe. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure

2427
02:13:12,040 --> 02:13:15,120
Speaker 1: this state is I'm sure this state isn't thrilled. Oh yeah,

2428
02:13:15,200 --> 02:13:17,120
Speaker 1: it's it's like, it's an enormous embarrassment for this and

2429
02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:19,080
Speaker 1: this this is this is a couple of other great lines. So,

2430
02:13:19,160 --> 02:13:21,400
Speaker 1: so Gary Powers gets tried for espionage, and there's there's

2431
02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:24,880
Speaker 1: this incredible line this trial where Sergey Rodenko, who is

2432
02:13:24,920 --> 02:13:27,240
Speaker 1: this he's an Air Force general and he's also part

2433
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:30,320
Speaker 1: of the trial, and he calls area fifty one quote

2434
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:35,680
Speaker 1: a criminal conspiracy between quote a major American capitalist company

2435
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:38,720
Speaker 1: and espionage and reconnaissance center and the military of the US.

2436
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:45,880
Speaker 1: And this because this is this is literally what um

2437
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, but but this is where everything goes to

2438
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:51,000
Speaker 1: ship because there was supposed to be a massive like

2439
02:13:51,160 --> 02:13:54,960
Speaker 1: US USSR Pace summit to like look at the nuclearization

2440
02:13:55,480 --> 02:13:59,320
Speaker 1: uh huh yeah yeah, and so and and Kristef is like, okay, Eisenhower,

2441
02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:02,000
Speaker 1: you un need to apologize for flying spy planes over

2442
02:14:02,080 --> 02:14:06,520
Speaker 1: our country. And Eisenhower is like no, and this this, yeah,

2443
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:08,880
Speaker 1: the conference is canceled and the world has plunged into

2444
02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:12,760
Speaker 1: mortal peril that will only barely survive. And but barely,

2445
02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's oh yeah, we got extremely lucky. Um

2446
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:18,840
Speaker 1: all all of this basically causes cruise shift to like

2447
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:21,880
Speaker 1: start the military build up in Cuba. And you know,

2448
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:23,800
Speaker 1: you can see where this is going. But but don't

2449
02:14:23,880 --> 02:14:26,920
Speaker 1: worry less less you think that Area fifty one is

2450
02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:29,760
Speaker 1: only indirectly responsible for this. They are in fact directly

2451
02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:34,840
Speaker 1: responsible for the Cuban missile crisis. You know, they they

2452
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:37,400
Speaker 1: they Air fifty one does they did? They do a

2453
02:14:37,480 --> 02:14:39,800
Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff that like funk with the Cubans

2454
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:41,080
Speaker 1: that they have this thing with it. They send in

2455
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:43,880
Speaker 1: pilots like right up the right up to to Cuban

2456
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,360
Speaker 1: airspace and like have them basically trade missile locks with

2457
02:14:46,440 --> 02:14:48,920
Speaker 1: Soviet pilots so that they can test the Soviets like

2458
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:52,520
Speaker 1: electronic weapons capacity. And it's like again, once again, we

2459
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:54,920
Speaker 1: only didn't die because the Soviets didn't shoot after the

2460
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:58,720
Speaker 1: U S did some like just absolutely we would have

2461
02:14:58,840 --> 02:15:04,080
Speaker 1: absolutely them people have done. Yeah, if if a MiG

2462
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:07,760
Speaker 1: had buzzed like Washington, d C, we would have ended

2463
02:15:07,800 --> 02:15:12,080
Speaker 1: all humanity. Yeah, we share would have they fucking knew that. God?

2464
02:15:12,160 --> 02:15:15,120
Speaker 1: That has to be so frustrating. Yeah, Like not a

2465
02:15:15,200 --> 02:15:16,960
Speaker 1: lot of sympathy for the U S s R in

2466
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:20,120
Speaker 1: my book, but just being like, well, this is unacceptable.

2467
02:15:20,160 --> 02:15:23,000
Speaker 1: But if we do literally just what they're doing to us,

2468
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 1: so I guess we have to be chills here. It's

2469
02:15:26,920 --> 02:15:31,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, well, and speaking of doing things, there's also

2470
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:34,280
Speaker 1: there's also an incredible Bay of Pigs connection, which is

2471
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:38,000
Speaker 1: that Richard Bassell, who's the guy who did Bay of Pigs,

2472
02:15:38,080 --> 02:15:41,320
Speaker 1: was the guy who read one. And one of the

2473
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,440
Speaker 1: reasons why it fails is that so remember I talked

2474
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:47,800
Speaker 1: about how the CIA piste off Curtis LeMay by not

2475
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:51,840
Speaker 1: telling him about every one. So, uh, the May is

2476
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:53,680
Speaker 1: supposed to send a bunch of B fifty two bombers

2477
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:55,360
Speaker 1: to support the Bay of Pigs and he doesn't do it.

2478
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,200
Speaker 1: And this defense is that he sucked like He's defense

2479
02:15:58,280 --> 02:16:02,160
Speaker 1: is that he sucked up the time zones, which I've missed. Hey,

2480
02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:06,400
Speaker 1: we've all missed meetings because of that I'm late all

2481
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:09,400
Speaker 1: the time because at time zones. It's that that you

2482
02:16:09,480 --> 02:16:14,240
Speaker 1: know what, Curtis Lamy did nothing wrong. Yeah, it's amazing.

2483
02:16:14,440 --> 02:16:17,200
Speaker 1: And this this causes the cell, but yeah it doesn't

2484
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:20,680
Speaker 1: work because it's a cluster fuck and this you know this,

2485
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:22,400
Speaker 1: this causes the cell to get kicked out of the

2486
02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:25,400
Speaker 1: security establishment. But it it doesn't stop the U S

2487
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:30,760
Speaker 1: fucking with Cuba. We still haven't stopped fighting. Yeah, we're

2488
02:16:30,840 --> 02:16:33,160
Speaker 1: like never going to It's it's incredible. And and but

2489
02:16:33,400 --> 02:16:35,080
Speaker 1: because this is the time that came closest to killing

2490
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:38,040
Speaker 1: us all, which is that well, Chris, you know what

2491
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:41,879
Speaker 1: will also eventually kill us all products and services. Yeah

2492
02:16:42,840 --> 02:16:45,680
Speaker 1: that's not even a joke, that's just true. Yeah, all

2493
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:48,920
Speaker 1: of these things that is being sold for fake money.

2494
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:53,160
Speaker 1: So yep, by products. And this is when Garrison goes

2495
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:59,039
Speaker 1: on a rant about Fiat currency. We're back and we're

2496
02:16:59,080 --> 02:17:02,039
Speaker 1: talking about the the Fiat, which is certainly a car.

2497
02:17:02,680 --> 02:17:05,280
Speaker 1: I lost all I lost I lost with all the Fiat.

2498
02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:08,240
Speaker 1: Please everyone everyone sent me, send me what you can.

2499
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:10,520
Speaker 1: I'll reinvest and give you back your money in a

2500
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:14,600
Speaker 1: few days. You're gonna buy one of those fucking one

2501
02:17:14,680 --> 02:17:17,320
Speaker 1: of those eight bit illustration and f T s that

2502
02:17:17,400 --> 02:17:21,240
Speaker 1: costs two million dollars, aren't you Garrison? Oh you bet see?

2503
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,640
Speaker 1: I heard, I heard now that they're making physical copies.

2504
02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:28,600
Speaker 1: This is a brand new phenomenon, making physical versions of

2505
02:17:28,680 --> 02:17:31,880
Speaker 1: an n f T so you can actually like have something. Yeah,

2506
02:17:31,959 --> 02:17:36,560
Speaker 1: it's basic, there is there's nothing else like this. It's

2507
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:39,240
Speaker 1: like art, but you actually can have it. It's the

2508
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:45,240
Speaker 1: first time. It's really Robert. You guys, you can't. You

2509
02:17:45,360 --> 02:17:48,040
Speaker 1: can't tell the public how are how how how how

2510
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:50,800
Speaker 1: we funnel all of our money around for our black projects.

2511
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:53,600
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to explain our money laundering schemes on air?

2512
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:57,240
Speaker 1: You know. One one surprising thing about all of this,

2513
02:17:57,480 --> 02:18:01,080
Speaker 1: like Air one stuff is honestly the degree to which

2514
02:18:01,720 --> 02:18:06,879
Speaker 1: the government does not deflect stuff by using alien ship

2515
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:10,320
Speaker 1: more often, because if they were smart, they could just

2516
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:14,440
Speaker 1: use alien ship more often to deflect any suspicion about

2517
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:18,200
Speaker 1: what's actually happening. So they I don't know, they go

2518
02:18:18,320 --> 02:18:19,760
Speaker 1: back and so so part of what's going so they

2519
02:18:19,800 --> 02:18:21,480
Speaker 1: go back and forth on this, and part of what's

2520
02:18:21,480 --> 02:18:25,200
Speaker 1: going on is the CIA when when when people start

2521
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,360
Speaker 1: first reporting UFOs like they have to like concerns. One

2522
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:29,760
Speaker 1: of which is that it's just going to cause panic

2523
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:31,400
Speaker 1: in the US public and they don't want that they're

2524
02:18:31,440 --> 02:18:33,280
Speaker 1: doing this sort of like elite panic thing, and they're

2525
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:36,080
Speaker 1: afraid they're once they will go insane or whatever. But

2526
02:18:36,879 --> 02:18:39,200
Speaker 1: the second thing that they're worried about is that they're

2527
02:18:39,240 --> 02:18:44,360
Speaker 1: really concerned that the Soviet Union is going to block

2528
02:18:44,400 --> 02:18:46,199
Speaker 1: out the U s IS early warning system by sending

2529
02:18:46,200 --> 02:18:49,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of a QFO reports, which would be very Funnyeah,

2530
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:51,480
Speaker 1: it would be very funny, but you know, but so

2531
02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:54,280
Speaker 1: so they their initial line on UFOs is like they're

2532
02:18:54,360 --> 02:18:55,680
Speaker 1: they try, They spent a lot of time trying to

2533
02:18:55,680 --> 02:18:58,880
Speaker 1: get everyone to like not believe in them, because they're like,

2534
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:00,640
Speaker 1: this is this is treading a sterea and it's like

2535
02:19:00,720 --> 02:19:03,760
Speaker 1: damaging our early warning capacity because people keep reporting, and

2536
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:05,880
Speaker 1: also because people just keep seeing their spy planes and

2537
02:19:05,959 --> 02:19:09,680
Speaker 1: so they're just like, guys, there's no UFOs. Yeah, well,

2538
02:19:09,879 --> 02:19:12,119
Speaker 1: we'll get to in a little bit of some more

2539
02:19:12,200 --> 02:19:15,199
Speaker 1: about that, because there's a lot of very weird stuff

2540
02:19:15,480 --> 02:19:17,880
Speaker 1: going on there. But first we have to almost end

2541
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,680
Speaker 1: the world. All right, Let's let's just do that at first,

2542
02:19:20,720 --> 02:19:26,440
Speaker 1: and then in six two the CIA flies, It flies

2543
02:19:26,480 --> 02:19:30,240
Speaker 1: a YouTube over over Cuba and they get a bunch

2544
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:34,960
Speaker 1: of pictures of nuclear weapons and this this is basically

2545
02:19:34,959 --> 02:19:36,760
Speaker 1: the thing that starts to cube At missile crisis. Although

2546
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:38,960
Speaker 1: I also I also we need to talk about LeMay

2547
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:41,040
Speaker 1: one more time because before they get these pictures, Lemy

2548
02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:44,960
Speaker 1: is convinced there's there's no nukes there. And LeMay wants

2549
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:46,920
Speaker 1: to do a preactive strike on Cuba to stop the

2550
02:19:46,959 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 1: Soviets and bring missiles in, which again literally would have

2551
02:19:49,800 --> 02:19:53,800
Speaker 1: killed us. All yeah, yeah, but but let's let make

2552
02:19:53,879 --> 02:19:56,360
Speaker 1: us voted down. So the CIA, you know, sends the

2553
02:19:56,400 --> 02:19:58,520
Speaker 1: youtubes in and this this is the thing that starts

2554
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:01,640
Speaker 1: to the starts to Cuban missile crisis, and you have

2555
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:04,760
Speaker 1: the Soviets and Americans like staring each other down at sea.

2556
02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:08,120
Speaker 1: And but again because these people are just like like

2557
02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:09,600
Speaker 1: because there are if you do want people to see

2558
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:13,280
Speaker 1: how people are just nuts, they keep sending UFOs and

2559
02:20:13,480 --> 02:20:16,680
Speaker 1: if they keep sending you twos over Cuba, and they

2560
02:20:16,879 --> 02:20:20,000
Speaker 1: they're sending youtubes over Cuba, and and the Americans like

2561
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:22,480
Speaker 1: lyne on the you Tuesday sendever is if they shoot

2562
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:25,400
Speaker 1: down a YouTube, we're going to invade. And so the

2563
02:20:25,440 --> 02:20:28,080
Speaker 1: Soviets actually do shoot shoot down a YouTube. But for

2564
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:31,920
Speaker 1: like the only time ever in history, uh, the US

2565
02:20:32,040 --> 02:20:34,560
Speaker 1: is like, wait, maybe we shouldn't end all like literally

2566
02:20:34,680 --> 02:20:38,440
Speaker 1: end all humanity, and like we we got this because

2567
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:43,440
Speaker 1: this moment, we're just like, you know, you get to

2568
02:20:43,560 --> 02:20:45,960
Speaker 1: actually so you have all the like just horrific leadership

2569
02:20:45,959 --> 02:20:47,720
Speaker 1: stuff that has got you here, but you get a

2570
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:50,920
Speaker 1: moment where like the soul of humanity is tested in

2571
02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:52,880
Speaker 1: like a very small number of people, and it's like

2572
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:56,040
Speaker 1: if any one of these people on either side flinches

2573
02:20:56,360 --> 02:20:58,160
Speaker 1: or like decides that they want to end all life

2574
02:20:58,200 --> 02:21:00,920
Speaker 1: on earth, everyone is going to die. And for one

2575
02:21:00,959 --> 02:21:02,520
Speaker 1: of like this is you know, this is like this

2576
02:21:02,600 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 1: is like one of the only times ever that it

2577
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:07,640
Speaker 1: has actually mattered that we're not all just like terrible

2578
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:09,240
Speaker 1: pieces of ship. And we didn't do it, and we

2579
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:13,920
Speaker 1: didn't end all humanity, and eventually the whole, the whole

2580
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:18,560
Speaker 1: thing is wound down. Alternatively, the people in charge realized

2581
02:21:18,600 --> 02:21:21,000
Speaker 1: that if they were doing this, they could no longer

2582
02:21:21,160 --> 02:21:23,120
Speaker 1: do whatever fun stuff they didn't their spare time. And

2583
02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:25,600
Speaker 1: it's only for selfish reason. Oh yeah, I mean, because yeah,

2584
02:21:26,080 --> 02:21:29,120
Speaker 1: the lead let me say, it's like the leaders get

2585
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:32,039
Speaker 1: no credit here at all. The people who do get

2586
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:34,760
Speaker 1: credit are just like the random assholes on a ship

2587
02:21:35,160 --> 02:21:37,240
Speaker 1: who like got sent over to the other side of

2588
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:40,280
Speaker 1: the world and had to just like sit there knowing

2589
02:21:40,320 --> 02:21:42,200
Speaker 1: that they could be destroyed in any moments and then

2590
02:21:42,480 --> 02:21:46,680
Speaker 1: didn't panic and like held and kept kept everyone on

2591
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:50,560
Speaker 1: Earth from dying by just not just like holding it

2592
02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:53,000
Speaker 1: together in a situation that would have just like destroyed

2593
02:21:53,240 --> 02:21:57,240
Speaker 1: most people. So so good good on, good on like

2594
02:21:57,440 --> 02:22:02,160
Speaker 1: the cruise of the ships for not killing us all. Yeah, yeah,

2595
02:22:03,160 --> 02:22:07,000
Speaker 1: depending on how I feel now. Part part part of

2596
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:10,760
Speaker 1: what's happening here is is the you tu is getting

2597
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:14,320
Speaker 1: shot down. It makes the area fifty one people go,

2598
02:22:14,360 --> 02:22:17,280
Speaker 1: we need to build a faster plane. Sure, And so

2599
02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:19,879
Speaker 1: there's their solution to this is the A twelve ox cart.

2600
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:25,280
Speaker 1: And the l oxcar is interesting because this is another

2601
02:22:25,440 --> 02:22:27,840
Speaker 1: thing that everyone thinks is the UFO but actually isn't.

2602
02:22:28,440 --> 02:22:30,040
Speaker 1: And I mean there's a very famous UFO picture of

2603
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:33,080
Speaker 1: like one of NASA's like X fifteen rocket jets, and

2604
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:35,160
Speaker 1: in the very like in the very corner of this

2605
02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:37,200
Speaker 1: rocket picture of the rocket jet, there's there's an A

2606
02:22:37,320 --> 02:22:41,480
Speaker 1: twelve and everyone is like, oh, this is UFO. Is

2607
02:22:41,520 --> 02:22:43,120
Speaker 1: the UFON is like, no, it's not, it's this. But

2608
02:22:44,120 --> 02:22:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, the CIA keeps doing these like halfass cover ups,

2609
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:49,320
Speaker 1: but like like you can just see these out of

2610
02:22:49,360 --> 02:22:50,960
Speaker 1: passenger planes, like if you're in a plane, you just

2611
02:22:50,959 --> 02:22:52,160
Speaker 1: see it. It's like, oh, this thing looks like a

2612
02:22:52,200 --> 02:22:56,320
Speaker 1: cigar's flute past and they they do looking they do

2613
02:22:56,400 --> 02:22:59,880
Speaker 1: look incredibly weird. Yeah, and it just doesn't work. And eventually,

2614
02:23:00,120 --> 02:23:04,080
Speaker 1: in the mid sixties, Walter Cronkite like goes on TV

2615
02:23:04,280 --> 02:23:06,120
Speaker 1: and tells the American public at the CIA have been

2616
02:23:06,160 --> 02:23:10,879
Speaker 1: doing a UFO cover up, which is true, but everyone

2617
02:23:10,920 --> 02:23:13,160
Speaker 1: assumes this is about aliens. But it's not about aliens.

2618
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:14,680
Speaker 1: Nothing you with aliens. It has everything to do with

2619
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:17,240
Speaker 1: the fact that people keep seeing this biplanes. And so

2620
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:19,840
Speaker 1: the Air Force gets put in charge of an investigation

2621
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:22,720
Speaker 1: of UFOs. But the problem is that only a few

2622
02:23:22,840 --> 02:23:25,720
Speaker 1: top Air Force generals know about the A twelve. Yeah,

2623
02:23:25,720 --> 02:23:27,480
Speaker 1: they only a few people know what the existence of

2624
02:23:27,560 --> 02:23:30,360
Speaker 1: this aircraft. Yeah yeah, And so the low level investigators

2625
02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:32,280
Speaker 1: are like, oh, the Air Force is doing a uh

2626
02:23:32,400 --> 02:23:34,280
Speaker 1: cover up, which they are, but they assume that it's

2627
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:36,200
Speaker 1: about aliens. And so a bunch of these people like

2628
02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:40,000
Speaker 1: turned into aliens like UFO conspiracy theorists, and yeah, because

2629
02:23:40,040 --> 02:23:41,920
Speaker 1: this is you know, and we're getting to see this

2630
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:45,160
Speaker 1: the the US basically through it sort of like the

2631
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:48,240
Speaker 1: secrecy on these programs, it just it keeps creating UFO conspiracies.

2632
02:23:49,560 --> 02:23:51,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, there there's some Okay, there's some question as

2633
02:23:51,959 --> 02:23:55,160
Speaker 1: to how to liberally they're doing this. Um So, the

2634
02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:58,520
Speaker 1: head of the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena, which

2635
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:00,520
Speaker 1: is like the uf U s IS UFO Study Group

2636
02:24:01,360 --> 02:24:04,760
Speaker 1: in nine is taken over by Joseph Bran the Third, who,

2637
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:07,960
Speaker 1: Joseph Brian the Third was the CIA's first chief of

2638
02:24:07,959 --> 02:24:11,480
Speaker 1: Political and Psychological Warfare. He seems like a solid dude

2639
02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:15,360
Speaker 1: to hang out with. Yeah, so I have no idea

2640
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:21,080
Speaker 1: what that means does And there's there's some reports that

2641
02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:23,360
Speaker 1: there have been a couple of like books and documentaries

2642
02:24:23,360 --> 02:24:24,840
Speaker 1: and a lot and in the last like ten years

2643
02:24:24,920 --> 02:24:29,440
Speaker 1: that have repared that. Yes, but it basically reported that

2644
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:32,640
Speaker 1: that people in the CIA deliberately fed like fake UFO

2645
02:24:32,720 --> 02:24:34,879
Speaker 1: information to people to cause people to like go even

2646
02:24:34,959 --> 02:24:39,480
Speaker 1: deeper into their conspiracy. Absolutely believe, Yeah, I would. I

2647
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:41,360
Speaker 1: will say this, Okay, so, like this is the kind

2648
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:45,200
Speaker 1: of thing the CIA would do, but the people who

2649
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:48,720
Speaker 1: are giving the evidence are sketchy, and I mean, of course, yeah,

2650
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:50,800
Speaker 1: like that that is yeah, that is kind of how

2651
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:52,840
Speaker 1: that mean they probably feed it to a lot of people,

2652
02:24:52,840 --> 02:24:54,760
Speaker 1: and the people who talk about it, well, I mean

2653
02:24:54,879 --> 02:24:56,720
Speaker 1: so that the people were testifying a bet are people

2654
02:24:56,760 --> 02:24:59,800
Speaker 1: who allegedly did it, Yeah, which is interesting. But but

2655
02:25:00,040 --> 02:25:01,760
Speaker 1: the thing that well, the probably is weird about those

2656
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:04,240
Speaker 1: people also just sort of they're like, oh, I spread

2657
02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:07,000
Speaker 1: this conspiracy, but like they they also want to get

2658
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:10,320
Speaker 1: into the UFO scene. And so the question it's it's

2659
02:25:10,400 --> 02:25:13,440
Speaker 1: weird and it's a lot of weird conflicting interests going on.

2660
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:15,000
Speaker 1: And this is this is one of the problems with

2661
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:18,000
Speaker 1: the CIA, which is that like, okay, so there's there's

2662
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:19,560
Speaker 1: there's a couple of there's like some important things you

2663
02:25:19,560 --> 02:25:22,000
Speaker 1: need to understand about the CIA. They're bad. You don't

2664
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:24,400
Speaker 1: need conspiracy theories for that. They're just they're bad. They

2665
02:25:24,480 --> 02:25:27,560
Speaker 1: do a lot of bad things. Um, the CIA having

2666
02:25:27,720 --> 02:25:30,480
Speaker 1: done something is not in and of itself proof that

2667
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:33,120
Speaker 1: they did another thing. So for example, like you can

2668
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:34,520
Speaker 1: say that you like you know, you says think like

2669
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:36,640
Speaker 1: the CIA is a mood base, right, and someone asked

2670
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:37,840
Speaker 1: you for evidence that you can go, oh, well, they

2671
02:25:37,879 --> 02:25:39,760
Speaker 1: did Operation paper Clip and they're involved in development of

2672
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:43,720
Speaker 1: rocket technology. But just because the CIA did Operation paper

2673
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:45,080
Speaker 1: Clip and had rockets does not mean they have a

2674
02:25:45,120 --> 02:25:47,640
Speaker 1: moon base, right, Like this is this is this is

2675
02:25:47,680 --> 02:25:49,480
Speaker 1: something this something happens all the time when people talk

2676
02:25:49,480 --> 02:25:55,240
Speaker 1: about the CIA falling into Yeah, yeah, you cannot. You

2677
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:58,680
Speaker 1: cannot use something that the CIA has done as direct

2678
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:00,879
Speaker 1: evidence they did something else less there's a direct time

2679
02:26:00,879 --> 02:26:03,800
Speaker 1: between unless unless you have evidence that the other thing happened.

2680
02:26:04,440 --> 02:26:07,440
Speaker 1: There's other people who suck yeah yeah, And if the

2681
02:26:07,480 --> 02:26:09,880
Speaker 1: everything is, they're not omnipotence. And then this is what

2682
02:26:09,959 --> 02:26:11,720
Speaker 1: the example I always bring up because it's really funny.

2683
02:26:12,120 --> 02:26:15,640
Speaker 1: So the c i A just completely missed two two

2684
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:18,680
Speaker 1: different Indian nuclear weapons tests like across two decades, Like

2685
02:26:18,959 --> 02:26:21,160
Speaker 1: not only did they not realize that that they were

2686
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:22,960
Speaker 1: testing me happening soon like they didn't even know that

2687
02:26:23,080 --> 02:26:26,680
Speaker 1: India was doing tests at all. And then they yeah,

2688
02:26:26,760 --> 02:26:28,119
Speaker 1: so these news would go off and they would learn

2689
02:26:28,120 --> 02:26:30,560
Speaker 1: that the India was doing tests when Indiana of renounced

2690
02:26:30,600 --> 02:26:33,280
Speaker 1: on TV. So like they're they're not actually omnipotent. I think,

2691
02:26:33,320 --> 02:26:35,880
Speaker 1: I think what is this interesting. I'm not sure if

2692
02:26:35,879 --> 02:26:36,920
Speaker 1: you're in a type I'm not sure if you can

2693
02:26:36,959 --> 02:26:39,120
Speaker 1: bring this up shortly, but like this sort of thing

2694
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:41,920
Speaker 1: is definitely is still happening in terms of like like

2695
02:26:42,040 --> 02:26:44,760
Speaker 1: air force pilots seeing weird stuff in this guy and

2696
02:26:44,840 --> 02:26:46,240
Speaker 1: then going to talk about it be like you know,

2697
02:26:46,320 --> 02:26:49,160
Speaker 1: it's just like this is some other aircraft. Usually it's

2698
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:51,600
Speaker 1: it's usually usually we're able to actually like prove what

2699
02:26:51,720 --> 02:26:55,200
Speaker 1: these things are. Um, but like you know, military or

2700
02:26:55,560 --> 02:26:57,640
Speaker 1: people see stuff, they talk talk about the news, and

2701
02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:59,520
Speaker 1: the time, it was always weird. It's always been like

2702
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:03,280
Speaker 1: some other like like civil arrest is happening when like

2703
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:05,920
Speaker 1: we get some weird piece of information about UFL is

2704
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:09,080
Speaker 1: like oh really, what a coincidence? And it's it's it's

2705
02:27:09,080 --> 02:27:11,240
Speaker 1: an interesting thing to be though, because like there's this

2706
02:27:11,360 --> 02:27:14,000
Speaker 1: kind of like weird interplace because like a lot of

2707
02:27:14,120 --> 02:27:17,520
Speaker 1: like like like senators and presidents like actually believe that

2708
02:27:17,560 --> 02:27:20,840
Speaker 1: there's UFOs and and this is like I mean the

2709
02:27:20,879 --> 02:27:24,400
Speaker 1: weird things, but like the different do you mean like

2710
02:27:24,520 --> 02:27:26,800
Speaker 1: UFOs are do mean like aliens? Well, like like aliens

2711
02:27:26,840 --> 02:27:28,360
Speaker 1: like this like that there are there are a lot

2712
02:27:28,400 --> 02:27:30,039
Speaker 1: of people in the government who do believe in aliens,

2713
02:27:30,120 --> 02:27:31,920
Speaker 1: and and and it's it's this weird tension because and

2714
02:27:31,959 --> 02:27:34,320
Speaker 1: a lot like everything is like like I don't know,

2715
02:27:34,600 --> 02:27:37,000
Speaker 1: Like Harry Read for example, was a big alien dude, right,

2716
02:27:37,080 --> 02:27:39,720
Speaker 1: but Harry Reid, like, I mean, I know he's very

2717
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:42,440
Speaker 1: powerful in Nevadas, like maybe he knew, but like Harry

2718
02:27:42,520 --> 02:27:45,720
Speaker 1: Reid is not someone who knows what's happening in these

2719
02:27:45,720 --> 02:27:49,320
Speaker 1: black projects because they don't tell. They don't tell Congress, right,

2720
02:27:49,640 --> 02:27:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean he he might know because of how powerfully is,

2721
02:27:51,800 --> 02:27:54,280
Speaker 1: but like again, it's up in the even even the

2722
02:27:54,320 --> 02:27:56,720
Speaker 1: people who are supposed to be in charge, I don't

2723
02:27:56,800 --> 02:27:58,520
Speaker 1: know what's actually happening. And that means they fall for

2724
02:27:58,600 --> 02:28:01,120
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories because yeah, they felt conspiracy theories. And at

2725
02:28:01,160 --> 02:28:02,680
Speaker 1: this point, it's more of a it's more of a

2726
02:28:02,760 --> 02:28:05,160
Speaker 1: fandom than anything else. It's really easy to get sucked

2727
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:08,640
Speaker 1: into a fandom. Like so I can't I mean, I

2728
02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:13,000
Speaker 1: don't trust any Congressman on any level specifically around this issue,

2729
02:28:13,440 --> 02:28:15,640
Speaker 1: because this is solely a fandom issue. It It's like

2730
02:28:15,800 --> 02:28:19,040
Speaker 1: it's like it's like taking their opinion on like religion.

2731
02:28:19,120 --> 02:28:22,279
Speaker 1: It's like I care zero amount because it's only a fandom,

2732
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:24,520
Speaker 1: and I think I think that the thing that is

2733
02:28:24,600 --> 02:28:26,840
Speaker 1: very dangerous about this stough is that again, Area fifty

2734
02:28:26,879 --> 02:28:30,640
Speaker 1: one is like the existence of Area fifty one is

2735
02:28:30,680 --> 02:28:32,520
Speaker 1: like an atrocity to anyone who thinks you live in

2736
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:36,160
Speaker 1: a democracy. They have almost killed us, like multiple multiple times,

2737
02:28:36,760 --> 02:28:38,680
Speaker 1: and everyone is like, oh, it's the Aliens. Was like, nope,

2738
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:43,600
Speaker 1: they they literally almost ended life on Earth like four times,

2739
02:28:44,520 --> 02:28:46,080
Speaker 1: and and yeah, you know what we're gonna get into

2740
02:28:46,120 --> 02:28:48,440
Speaker 1: they they you know, will get into the other horrible

2741
02:28:48,480 --> 02:28:49,760
Speaker 1: stuff they do at a second. But I do want

2742
02:28:49,800 --> 02:28:53,560
Speaker 1: to talk about the one cool thing they did, because okay,

2743
02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:56,600
Speaker 1: they did one thing that was incredibly awesome. That was

2744
02:28:56,640 --> 02:28:58,520
Speaker 1: the greatest thing the American Empires ever produced, which is

2745
02:28:58,520 --> 02:29:01,760
Speaker 1: they made the SR seventy one. The SR seventy one

2746
02:29:02,120 --> 02:29:05,400
Speaker 1: is fucking sick. This is this is the coolest airplane anyone.

2747
02:29:05,440 --> 02:29:07,240
Speaker 1: It's like, just like, go google a picture of it.

2748
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:10,360
Speaker 1: It looks so cool. It could hit it could hit

2749
02:29:10,480 --> 02:29:13,560
Speaker 1: Mock three point four. Like it's just fast. It's faster

2750
02:29:13,720 --> 02:29:16,240
Speaker 1: than bullets. Uh it is. It doesn't any weapons on it,

2751
02:29:16,280 --> 02:29:18,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's defense strategy, so missile is to

2752
02:29:18,760 --> 02:29:28,000
Speaker 1: outrun the missile. Yeah, it's what's the man It does

2753
02:29:28,120 --> 02:29:31,360
Speaker 1: look just like the X Wing and it does look

2754
02:29:31,440 --> 02:29:34,280
Speaker 1: just like the X Men's Yeah, well yeah, it's specifically

2755
02:29:34,440 --> 02:29:39,039
Speaker 1: there modified. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's shiitest thing ever.

2756
02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 1: And it's like from that was like that was the

2757
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:45,040
Speaker 1: pinnacle of the American empires when they made this, this

2758
02:29:45,280 --> 02:29:48,440
Speaker 1: one just absolutely incredible machine, and then they used to

2759
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:51,760
Speaker 1: do war crimes in Vietnam and then they were like, oh,

2760
02:29:51,879 --> 02:29:54,800
Speaker 1: it's too expensive. Dick Cheney, who is a demon in

2761
02:29:54,959 --> 02:29:57,160
Speaker 1: human form who will one day returned to the Hell

2762
02:29:57,280 --> 02:29:59,600
Speaker 1: that spawned him and spend the rest of his days

2763
02:29:59,640 --> 02:30:03,440
Speaker 1: between an apport by Satan, has the program killed because

2764
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:05,280
Speaker 1: he wants to make B two bombers, and he's like, oh,

2765
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:07,760
Speaker 1: we've got to be able to drop nukes from weird

2766
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:10,280
Speaker 1: triangle planes. We can't run the coolest plane of all

2767
02:30:10,360 --> 02:30:14,400
Speaker 1: time ever anymore. So he kills it, and it's depressing

2768
02:30:14,560 --> 02:30:17,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's everything is bad now, and he will

2769
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:21,480
Speaker 1: rotten Hell eternally for of his many crimes. Killing the

2770
02:30:21,560 --> 02:30:23,600
Speaker 1: SR seventy one. The only good thing the Americans ever did.

2771
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:26,280
Speaker 1: He should have This is the only thing we should

2772
02:30:26,280 --> 02:30:28,200
Speaker 1: have ever spent money on us a kind yeah, but

2773
02:30:28,320 --> 02:30:31,160
Speaker 1: if look if the roads just a network of SR

2774
02:30:31,280 --> 02:30:35,720
Speaker 1: seventy it was that was almost three d million dollars

2775
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:39,200
Speaker 1: in today's money for one. Yeah. Sure, but like is

2776
02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:42,440
Speaker 1: like just like a trillion dollar Look at how much

2777
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:45,960
Speaker 1: worse that plane looks than the SR seventy one. Like

2778
02:30:46,440 --> 02:30:50,480
Speaker 1: if I success flying around in FT, they're so wet,

2779
02:30:50,600 --> 02:30:57,160
Speaker 1: they're so bad because Professor Xavier has has fucking style unfortunately.

2780
02:30:57,240 --> 02:31:01,160
Speaker 1: So there's the other things they're building there are horrifying. Um.

2781
02:31:01,480 --> 02:31:03,959
Speaker 1: One of the most important ones that I think people

2782
02:31:04,120 --> 02:31:06,720
Speaker 1: have sort of like forgotten the real impact of is

2783
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:10,200
Speaker 1: is that the F one sevent Night Hawk and so

2784
02:31:10,400 --> 02:31:13,040
Speaker 1: so uh Eric fifty one is basically where American steuth

2785
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:16,000
Speaker 1: technology is developed, which really does on the conspiracy. But

2786
02:31:16,120 --> 02:31:17,480
Speaker 1: like no, this is actually like yeah, this, this is

2787
02:31:17,560 --> 02:31:19,600
Speaker 1: this is what they're doing. They're doing, Yeah, they're doing

2788
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:24,360
Speaker 1: seuth technology and the Nighthawk. The night Hawk is really bad.

2789
02:31:24,400 --> 02:31:26,279
Speaker 1: And the night Hawk is really bad because it fundamentally

2790
02:31:26,360 --> 02:31:28,680
Speaker 1: changes the balance of power between anti A weapons and bombers.

2791
02:31:29,360 --> 02:31:31,480
Speaker 1: And this means that the US can just like I

2792
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:34,039
Speaker 1: don't know, for example, just obliterate an army of fleeing

2793
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:37,760
Speaker 1: Iraqi conscripts without having to like worry about someone shooting

2794
02:31:37,800 --> 02:31:40,880
Speaker 1: down their planes. To be fair, I do think I

2795
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:44,160
Speaker 1: do think the night Hawk looks way better than the

2796
02:31:44,800 --> 02:31:47,920
Speaker 1: previous plane we mentioned. That's for so many one. Now

2797
02:31:47,959 --> 02:31:53,000
Speaker 1: that's not a bad looking plane, but the night beautiful plane,

2798
02:31:53,640 --> 02:31:56,560
Speaker 1: it's a it is a horrible killing machine. It's all

2799
02:31:56,760 --> 02:31:59,680
Speaker 1: designed for and it looks like it. It looks like death.

2800
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:02,520
Speaker 1: Like the plane looks like It's true, it doesn't look

2801
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:04,160
Speaker 1: like well that's why I likely there's only one because

2802
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:08,920
Speaker 1: seventy one just looks like it looks like looks like death, yeah,

2803
02:32:08,959 --> 02:32:11,480
Speaker 1: whereas where this one looks like like. This one looks

2804
02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:15,280
Speaker 1: like like like like like yeah, like a government put

2805
02:32:15,360 --> 02:32:18,480
Speaker 1: into a plane that is death, that is and that

2806
02:32:18,600 --> 02:32:20,800
Speaker 1: is what it looks like. And so yeah, this is

2807
02:32:20,879 --> 02:32:22,959
Speaker 1: this is this is part of a transition the night

2808
02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:25,280
Speaker 1: Hawks actually is there's an interesting tansition that's happening here,

2809
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:28,520
Speaker 1: which is that so a night Hawks. Uh, the Nighthawk

2810
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:31,040
Speaker 1: is tested at at Airy fifty one. But this is

2811
02:32:31,160 --> 02:32:34,600
Speaker 1: the first plane that like can actually drop bombs that

2812
02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:36,480
Speaker 1: Airy fifty one ever made, because up until up until

2813
02:32:36,480 --> 02:32:38,160
Speaker 1: this point they've been doing Becconnissance aircraft and be doing

2814
02:32:38,200 --> 02:32:40,680
Speaker 1: the YouTube that seventy one A twelve, which is like

2815
02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:46,879
Speaker 1: they're just capable of accidentally ending the world, these deliberately

2816
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,680
Speaker 1: ending it by dropping bombs. Yeah, and and this this

2817
02:32:49,879 --> 02:32:52,080
Speaker 1: this is when is that the CIA gives control of

2818
02:32:52,440 --> 02:32:56,480
Speaker 1: A fifty one to the Air Force one. Yeah, and

2819
02:32:56,520 --> 02:32:58,440
Speaker 1: this is all. This is also where airy fifty two

2820
02:32:58,520 --> 02:33:00,440
Speaker 1: comes in, because every fifty two wih it's it's it's

2821
02:33:00,440 --> 02:33:02,360
Speaker 1: literally just the facility X fifty one. And so they

2822
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:04,879
Speaker 1: air fifty one is like, I sorry. Air fifty two

2823
02:33:05,080 --> 02:33:07,640
Speaker 1: is built up basically to like house the night Hawks

2824
02:33:09,480 --> 02:33:11,880
Speaker 1: now it is it is interesting that like the older

2825
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:15,800
Speaker 1: night Hawks look a lot more like UFOs than the

2826
02:33:15,879 --> 02:33:18,680
Speaker 1: newer night Hawks. Like the newer night Hawks look more

2827
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:22,480
Speaker 1: like the stupid like Tumbler batmobile, but in a plane,

2828
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:25,320
Speaker 1: the older night Hawks look a lot more sci fi

2829
02:33:25,879 --> 02:33:27,960
Speaker 1: um And it is interesting with the difference to be

2830
02:33:28,040 --> 02:33:30,200
Speaker 1: like if I saw the older night Hawk and be like, oh,

2831
02:33:30,280 --> 02:33:32,120
Speaker 1: that's the UFO. If I saw the new er knight Hawk,

2832
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh that is like a military plane. Yeah, well,

2833
02:33:34,480 --> 02:33:36,840
Speaker 1: and I was, I will say this. So they start

2834
02:33:36,879 --> 02:33:38,520
Speaker 1: doing a lot of things to like reduce the number

2835
02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:40,680
Speaker 1: of UFO sightings they produce. So, like they said, they

2836
02:33:40,680 --> 02:33:43,840
Speaker 1: start flying, they start flying at night because it's actually

2837
02:33:43,879 --> 02:33:47,800
Speaker 1: really hard to see a black airplane at night. Yeah.

2838
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:50,800
Speaker 1: But but you know, the the other thing that they're

2839
02:33:50,840 --> 02:33:52,800
Speaker 1: doing in air fifty one, and they've been doing this

2840
02:33:52,920 --> 02:33:55,320
Speaker 1: really since the sixties is Air fifty one is where

2841
02:33:55,320 --> 02:33:59,400
Speaker 1: the US basically develops its drones. Yeah, and that is

2842
02:33:59,480 --> 02:34:02,400
Speaker 1: that that is the modern thing that pilots talk of

2843
02:34:02,480 --> 02:34:04,680
Speaker 1: it on CBS or whatever, and and you know, and

2844
02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:07,480
Speaker 1: it's interestingly so so I I mean I've been sort

2845
02:34:07,480 --> 02:34:09,920
Speaker 1: of aware of this, I didn't fully understand it. The

2846
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:13,600
Speaker 1: US like had drones in the sixties, which just put

2847
02:34:13,640 --> 02:34:16,320
Speaker 1: them for a lot. Yeah. Yeah, like they like one

2848
02:34:16,320 --> 02:34:17,520
Speaker 1: of the things they do with the A twelve is

2849
02:34:17,560 --> 02:34:19,960
Speaker 1: they put like they had this like Ramjet drone on

2850
02:34:20,080 --> 02:34:22,600
Speaker 1: top of it, which just like pretty like a Ramjet

2851
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:24,400
Speaker 1: joone is sick. Like that's like that's just like a

2852
02:34:24,480 --> 02:34:26,880
Speaker 1: cool thing. Yeah. If it wasn't used for killing people,

2853
02:34:26,920 --> 02:34:30,520
Speaker 1: then all these things are designed to people. Well yeah,

2854
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:32,400
Speaker 1: but the thought about the ram Jet things, they had

2855
02:34:32,400 --> 02:34:34,000
Speaker 1: to stop using it because it kept it kept just

2856
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:36,680
Speaker 1: like like cutting the airplane that kept cutting the A

2857
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:43,640
Speaker 1: twelve and a half. Okay, well to the ram Jet drone.

2858
02:34:44,280 --> 02:34:45,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think that the last thing we

2859
02:34:45,720 --> 02:34:49,879
Speaker 1: should talk about is that, Yeah, so Area fifty ones.

2860
02:34:50,040 --> 02:34:52,560
Speaker 1: The latest thing that we know that they did that

2861
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:58,040
Speaker 1: is horrifying and awful is so up up until nine eleven,

2862
02:34:58,480 --> 02:34:59,960
Speaker 1: there had been a line in the U. S. MILT

2863
02:35:00,280 --> 02:35:02,560
Speaker 1: and that line was you do not put weapons on

2864
02:35:02,680 --> 02:35:11,440
Speaker 1: unarmed drones. After after oh what a time? Yeah, and

2865
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:14,160
Speaker 1: every note eleven, uh, the Air Force in the CIA

2866
02:35:14,280 --> 02:35:16,600
Speaker 1: basically get together and they're trying to draw up a

2867
02:35:16,600 --> 02:35:19,520
Speaker 1: plan to kill Ben Laden and so their their plan

2868
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:21,320
Speaker 1: to do this is to put health fire missiles on

2869
02:35:21,360 --> 02:35:23,840
Speaker 1: a drone. And this is this is this is the

2870
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:28,480
Speaker 1: origin of what a horrible series of event. Drone like

2871
02:35:28,560 --> 02:35:31,359
Speaker 1: the few decisions that have impacted the course of humanity

2872
02:35:31,400 --> 02:35:34,080
Speaker 1: for the next century that are being responsible for so

2873
02:35:34,160 --> 02:35:37,240
Speaker 1: many and and this thing, you can you can see

2874
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:39,240
Speaker 1: where this is going in the initial thing, because so

2875
02:35:39,320 --> 02:35:41,080
Speaker 1: when when when when they're testing the missiles on this

2876
02:35:41,280 --> 02:35:43,400
Speaker 1: right in Airy fifty one that they set up like

2877
02:35:43,480 --> 02:35:46,760
Speaker 1: a mock version of like Ben Lawden's house, and they're

2878
02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:48,240
Speaker 1: setting it up so that they can figure out how

2879
02:35:48,320 --> 02:35:49,760
Speaker 1: many children they are going to kill when they blow

2880
02:35:49,800 --> 02:35:53,760
Speaker 1: this thing up, and yeah, that's that's that's that's that's been,

2881
02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:57,240
Speaker 1: that's been air fifty ones modern. No, the worst, the

2882
02:35:57,360 --> 02:36:00,320
Speaker 1: worst thing to come from places like this is putting

2883
02:36:00,600 --> 02:36:03,920
Speaker 1: guns on robots and drums. This is like the worst thing,

2884
02:36:04,400 --> 02:36:07,640
Speaker 1: almost almost almost ending the world with nuclear weapons, and

2885
02:36:07,720 --> 02:36:11,600
Speaker 1: then now drones deciding to put deciding to put bombs

2886
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:16,040
Speaker 1: and weapons on little tiny things that fly and little

2887
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:19,480
Speaker 1: and little robots that crawl around. This is the worst

2888
02:36:19,560 --> 02:36:22,160
Speaker 1: thing imaginable that we could have We could have just

2889
02:36:22,280 --> 02:36:24,720
Speaker 1: not done, but we're like, nope, let's do it. And

2890
02:36:24,959 --> 02:36:27,840
Speaker 1: now because the things about it, even even though like

2891
02:36:28,040 --> 02:36:30,600
Speaker 1: seventies c. I A Was like, this is a bad idea.

2892
02:36:31,080 --> 02:36:33,480
Speaker 1: I know, it's one of one of the first laws

2893
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:36,720
Speaker 1: of like one of the first laws of first of robotics,

2894
02:36:36,879 --> 02:36:39,920
Speaker 1: the first lave of robotics. Yeah, but we stopped talking

2895
02:36:39,959 --> 02:36:43,800
Speaker 1: about that years ago, and now we have those. Now

2896
02:36:43,879 --> 02:36:47,040
Speaker 1: we have those fucking robot dogs with that fucking like

2897
02:36:47,440 --> 02:36:56,160
Speaker 1: five five six rifles SI even worse, even worse. Yeah,

2898
02:36:56,320 --> 02:37:00,400
Speaker 1: and that's the episode and yet more, a rifle a

2899
02:37:00,440 --> 02:37:04,400
Speaker 1: little go right through a robot yeah, I'm really excited

2900
02:37:04,440 --> 02:37:09,800
Speaker 1: for the Robot Wars and then it's gonna suck so bad.

2901
02:37:09,959 --> 02:37:13,080
Speaker 1: We're already in the Robot Wars. Yeah, I know. Yeah,

2902
02:37:13,720 --> 02:37:16,240
Speaker 1: it's well, it's happened. Well, but you know what will

2903
02:37:16,280 --> 02:37:18,360
Speaker 1: never happen. It would have been so much it would

2904
02:37:18,400 --> 02:37:20,080
Speaker 1: have been so much better if it was just Aliens.

2905
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:24,600
Speaker 1: God what no not? Yeah, you know, I would though,

2906
02:37:24,800 --> 02:37:28,000
Speaker 1: if we ever do Stomry, we should just destroy it

2907
02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:30,440
Speaker 1: like that. That's just that place. That place should be

2908
02:37:30,520 --> 02:37:32,760
Speaker 1: raised to the ground and like left as a monument

2909
02:37:32,840 --> 02:37:36,160
Speaker 1: to the people that killed, because that should be most

2910
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:41,760
Speaker 1: of the states. Yes, specifically, we fill every inch of

2911
02:37:41,800 --> 02:37:44,040
Speaker 1: it with concrete and we top it with a statue

2912
02:37:44,080 --> 02:37:46,040
Speaker 1: of Fox Molder. You know. You know what we do

2913
02:37:46,400 --> 02:37:50,400
Speaker 1: is we do the thing like for the theoretical, the

2914
02:37:50,480 --> 02:37:53,680
Speaker 1: theoretical nuclear waste disposal site. Yeah, that is what we do.

2915
02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:56,879
Speaker 1: It is also still sort of a radiant and also

2916
02:37:57,120 --> 02:38:02,760
Speaker 1: it is still also radiant. So yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing,

2917
02:38:02,840 --> 02:38:06,680
Speaker 1: nothing of value is kept here. Turn to turn away. Yep, yeah,

2918
02:38:07,080 --> 02:38:11,680
Speaker 1: well I wish it was aliens. Aliens. All right, Well,

2919
02:38:12,280 --> 02:38:16,640
Speaker 1: see that's the episode. You can follow our cia exploits

2920
02:38:16,680 --> 02:38:19,160
Speaker 1: that that happened here upon on Twitter and Instagram. Gotta

2921
02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:27,640
Speaker 1: hate social media. All right, that's the episode. Here's to

2922
02:38:27,760 --> 02:38:32,039
Speaker 1: the great American settlers. The millions of you have settled

2923
02:38:32,080 --> 02:38:36,720
Speaker 1: for unsatisfying jobs because they pay the bills, and you

2924
02:38:36,879 --> 02:38:39,960
Speaker 1: just kind of fell into it, and you know, it's

2925
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:43,880
Speaker 1: like totally fine, just another few decades or so and

2926
02:38:44,440 --> 02:38:48,040
Speaker 1: then you can enjoy yourself. Of course, there is something

2927
02:38:48,120 --> 02:38:51,040
Speaker 1: else you could do. If you've got something to say.

2928
02:38:51,959 --> 02:38:55,480
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Speaker 1: We're done. Um, Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show

2970
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Speaker 1: that this is on the week that this is, which

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Speaker 1: is the spooky week of the year where things are spooky. Today,

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Speaker 1: my guest Katie Golden Katie sit say hello to the audience. Hello, audience,

2973
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Speaker 1: now say goodbye. Okay by audience, now tell the audience

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Speaker 1: are you do you guys have a team of lawyers

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Speaker 1: that I can access or absolutely they say it's fine.

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Speaker 1: They say it's fine. If you tell people that, then

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Speaker 1: I love it, all right, everybody. I wouldn't have made

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Speaker 1: that kind of claim, but but you heard Katie, so

2982
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Speaker 1: That is an upcoming episode of Chris Um Katie, What

2985
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Speaker 1: do you? What do you do? What do we? What

2986
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Speaker 1: are we? What are We're? All star dust Robert? Okay,

2988
02:42:40,680 --> 02:42:45,320
Speaker 1: well that sounds soothing. Actually well well first, Katie of

2989
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Speaker 1: of of the Goldens is the host of Creature. You

2990
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Speaker 1: right for some more news. You're the host of Creature

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Speaker 1: feature Jesus Sophie, you gotta remember these things. Yeah, um m,

2992
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Speaker 1: everything's always beautiful. What are we? What are we doing today?

2993
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Speaker 1: What do you got? What? What are what's happening? I mean,

2994
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Speaker 1: this is your podcast. But I thought, all right, fine,

2995
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Speaker 1: it's my podcast. Now, welcome to it could happen? We

2996
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Speaker 1: are hosted by Katie Golden. I thought we could talk.

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02:43:18,320 --> 02:43:20,960
Speaker 1: I thought we could talk about animals because I like animals.

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Speaker 1: All right, you got a spooky thing about an animal

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Speaker 1: for us? Yeah, I thought because the theme of your

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Speaker 1: podcast seems to be, you know, sort of the future

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Speaker 1: and how things could get pretty fucky in the future,

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Speaker 1: and I thought there are some examples of things getting

3003
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Speaker 1: fucky with animals in the current present. That seems to

3004
02:43:45,000 --> 02:43:49,600
Speaker 1: it could maybe be a bit of a crystal ball

3005
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Speaker 1: for things that could happen in the future with climate change.

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Speaker 1: That is kind of spooky. All right, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys heard of this? I get antelope. I mean,

3008
02:44:03,440 --> 02:44:05,959
Speaker 1: I've heard of antelopes, and I've heard of the saiga,

3009
02:44:06,160 --> 02:44:08,960
Speaker 1: and I guess I'm not surprised that there's antelopes in

3010
02:44:09,520 --> 02:44:12,760
Speaker 1: the Saga. Do me a quick favor and just google

3011
02:44:12,959 --> 02:44:15,920
Speaker 1: siga antelope and just take a gander. Take them on

3012
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:22,080
Speaker 1: in as I I'll describe them to the aud Wow. Yeah,

3013
02:44:23,440 --> 02:44:27,040
Speaker 1: they are kind of some of the cutest, dufiest little

3014
02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:31,320
Speaker 1: in the world. Little little they have the best little face.

3015
02:44:31,600 --> 02:44:34,800
Speaker 1: I know, it's weird. It looks it's like just too

3016
02:44:34,959 --> 02:44:37,119
Speaker 1: it's just a big nose. Yeah, it's just a big,

3017
02:44:37,320 --> 02:44:41,200
Speaker 1: ridiculous nose. My god, that looks silly. They must be

3018
02:44:41,400 --> 02:44:44,120
Speaker 1: endangered because they look they look like they're terrible at

3019
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Speaker 1: staying alive. Their their faces all nose. It's like someone's

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Speaker 1: whole face was just a nose like someone stuck an

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02:44:50,480 --> 02:44:54,200
Speaker 1: ant eater to like an They look delicious. I'm just

3022
02:44:54,280 --> 02:44:57,400
Speaker 1: gonna say it. I would hunt and eat them. They

3023
02:44:58,600 --> 02:45:03,199
Speaker 1: like incredibly with Voldemort's nostrils in the Harry Potter movie.

3024
02:45:03,360 --> 02:45:09,440
Speaker 1: But like long, Yeah, they look ridiculous. Yes, they like

3025
02:45:09,520 --> 02:45:13,240
Speaker 1: a Star Wars animal. Yeah, some of them. They're patterning

3026
02:45:13,360 --> 02:45:15,480
Speaker 1: makes it look like they have tear drop tattoos under

3027
02:45:15,480 --> 02:45:17,640
Speaker 1: their eyes, which I think means they've all killed someone

3028
02:45:17,720 --> 02:45:24,039
Speaker 1: in prison the hard correctly. Yeah, anyways, are you going

3029
02:45:24,080 --> 02:45:26,800
Speaker 1: to tell something that is happening with them, Katie? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Are they raist? Are these racist antelope? Katie? We're gonna

3031
02:45:31,320 --> 02:45:35,120
Speaker 1: milkshake duck these antelopes. Yeah, they're They're all um as

3032
02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:36,960
Speaker 1: far as I know, they're not too racist. They have

3033
02:45:37,120 --> 02:45:41,360
Speaker 1: some problematic views on like, you know, gender abortion. Yeah

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02:45:42,040 --> 02:45:45,280
Speaker 1: that's I mean, all antelope have really regressive attitudes towards

3035
02:45:45,320 --> 02:45:50,360
Speaker 1: women's reproductive healthy I mean frustrating. Yeah, yeah, it's a

3036
02:45:50,600 --> 02:45:53,200
Speaker 1: but these guys look like Star Wars animals to me,

3037
02:45:53,240 --> 02:45:55,160
Speaker 1: they kind of look like a Star Wars anal named

3038
02:45:55,200 --> 02:45:59,400
Speaker 1: like a grass honker or something. Yeah, they look extremely fake.

3039
02:45:59,480 --> 02:46:01,560
Speaker 1: It's a like a guy you'd meet at the bar

3040
02:46:01,840 --> 02:46:07,760
Speaker 1: where the Aliens played jizy. Yes, that type of music

3041
02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:11,320
Speaker 1: that Katie's doing is canonically and and if you and

3042
02:46:11,360 --> 02:46:12,640
Speaker 1: if you are, if you are, if you are a

3043
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:15,440
Speaker 1: musician who plays jiz, you are a jiz whaler. And

3044
02:46:16,680 --> 02:46:20,000
Speaker 1: the best thing about that is that I know all

3045
02:46:20,080 --> 02:46:23,400
Speaker 1: of the thought that George Lucas put to that was, Oh,

3046
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:26,600
Speaker 1: someone asked what the type of music they played in jazz?

3047
02:46:27,160 --> 02:46:29,080
Speaker 1: Jazz is a real kind of music. Let me just

3048
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:33,199
Speaker 1: put an eye in the vowel. Now, well, that's gonna

3049
02:46:33,240 --> 02:46:37,680
Speaker 1: be the day for me put an apostrophe in which

3050
02:46:39,240 --> 02:46:41,480
Speaker 1: it could have it could have, it could have been

3051
02:46:43,840 --> 02:46:49,520
Speaker 1: so even the effort wasn't there because these are okay, sorry, no,

3052
02:46:49,640 --> 02:46:51,920
Speaker 1: I can talk about this for hours. I just the

3053
02:46:52,240 --> 02:46:56,120
Speaker 1: differences between J. K. Rowling and and George Lucas as

3054
02:46:56,240 --> 02:47:00,240
Speaker 1: creators who both made very popular fiction franchise is and

3055
02:47:00,320 --> 02:47:02,440
Speaker 1: want people to think they thought about them more than

3056
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:05,880
Speaker 1: they did. Is absolutely hysterical because J. K. Rowling does

3057
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:09,320
Speaker 1: that by creating all these convoluted backstories, and George Lucas

3058
02:47:09,440 --> 02:47:11,880
Speaker 1: replaced the A and jazz with an eye and didn't

3059
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:21,720
Speaker 1: realize that, right, what an incredible person. It is pretty good. Sorry, Katie, No,

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02:47:21,959 --> 02:47:24,720
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine. So these saga antelope a k a.

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Speaker 1: Jizz whalers are found in the grasslands and semi deserts

3062
02:47:28,720 --> 02:47:34,560
Speaker 1: in Central Asia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan. They

3063
02:47:34,600 --> 02:47:37,040
Speaker 1: actually used to have a much wider range, but because

3064
02:47:37,080 --> 02:47:40,200
Speaker 1: of all the Roberts out there wanting to taste their

3065
02:47:40,400 --> 02:47:47,760
Speaker 1: delicious delicious, uh just that nose on a plate, their

3066
02:47:48,080 --> 02:47:52,080
Speaker 1: population declined and is now limited to a small territory.

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02:47:52,600 --> 02:47:55,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's still enough for meat to eat

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02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:58,640
Speaker 1: a couple. No, Robert, if you try to kill one,

3069
02:47:58,640 --> 02:48:05,200
Speaker 1: I'll kill you first. Antelope hunting, we have to. We

3070
02:48:05,280 --> 02:48:08,119
Speaker 1: have to protect the look they look stupid as shit.

3071
02:48:09,280 --> 02:48:12,680
Speaker 1: It can't possibly be good at stuff. Actually what that knows?

3072
02:48:12,720 --> 02:48:14,520
Speaker 1: I bet their senses are. They could do a lot

3073
02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:18,600
Speaker 1: of interesting things. Yeah, anybody, let Katie tell the story.

3074
02:48:18,800 --> 02:48:22,760
Speaker 1: You interrupting, Fox go sorry, we all got jiz pill

3075
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:27,039
Speaker 1: now not so it's okay, it's I understand the excitement

3076
02:48:27,040 --> 02:48:29,080
Speaker 1: about these guys. Um. I do want to paint a

3077
02:48:29,160 --> 02:48:31,720
Speaker 1: mental picture for the audience, just so they get like

3078
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:35,240
Speaker 1: why people are freaking out. So they have this elephant,

3079
02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:38,040
Speaker 1: Like imagine a little antelope and they're they're small. They're

3080
02:48:38,040 --> 02:48:42,240
Speaker 1: about two three ft tall, about six pounds. Yeah, they're

3081
02:48:42,280 --> 02:48:45,120
Speaker 1: little babies. And it looks like you took like a

3082
02:48:45,240 --> 02:48:48,960
Speaker 1: cute little deer and just glued like a big elephant

3083
02:48:49,080 --> 02:48:52,520
Speaker 1: nose to it. It's not as long as an elephant trunk,

3084
02:48:52,560 --> 02:48:55,400
Speaker 1: but it's sort of a like a it curls under

3085
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:58,720
Speaker 1: like an elephant seal nose stuck to a little deer

3086
02:48:59,320 --> 02:49:03,720
Speaker 1: and that's out. Is called a proboscis, And yeah, it's

3087
02:49:03,800 --> 02:49:06,680
Speaker 1: a they're kind of a they have sort of a

3088
02:49:07,280 --> 02:49:11,000
Speaker 1: light tan white coat. Uh, they can get really fluffy

3089
02:49:11,360 --> 02:49:15,680
Speaker 1: in the winter. Uh. They have these really huge tubular

3090
02:49:15,800 --> 02:49:21,320
Speaker 1: nostrils on that nose and that gigantic conquer helps them

3091
02:49:21,400 --> 02:49:25,040
Speaker 1: filter dirt as the huge herds sort of trample on

3092
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:28,760
Speaker 1: the ground and kick up dirt clouds um And it

3093
02:49:28,920 --> 02:49:32,320
Speaker 1: can also act as an ac unit that cools the

3094
02:49:32,400 --> 02:49:36,560
Speaker 1: syga antelopes blood. So as blood flows through it, you

3095
02:49:36,680 --> 02:49:39,240
Speaker 1: have this spacious chamber and it cools the blood and

3096
02:49:39,280 --> 02:49:43,120
Speaker 1: it recirculates. And then in the winter it can act

3097
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:45,880
Speaker 1: as a space heater that warms the air before they

3098
02:49:45,959 --> 02:49:50,560
Speaker 1: breathe it in so ac heater. Yeah, filter system. It's

3099
02:49:50,720 --> 02:49:54,880
Speaker 1: really a cool nose, which is why it was absolutely

3100
02:49:55,000 --> 02:49:59,960
Speaker 1: horrifying when entire herds of the Saga antelope started dropping

3101
02:50:00,120 --> 02:50:04,040
Speaker 1: dead on mass within like days of each other, just

3102
02:50:05,440 --> 02:50:13,879
Speaker 1: like a biblical plague. So there are photos. What's properly unbelievable.

3103
02:50:15,080 --> 02:50:21,760
Speaker 1: You're so embarrassing sometimes, Katie, I'm so sorry. No, it's

3104
02:50:21,879 --> 02:50:24,760
Speaker 1: it's it's fine. Um, I'm I mean, I don't know

3105
02:50:24,879 --> 02:50:27,960
Speaker 1: how else to sort of add levity to just the

3106
02:50:28,040 --> 02:50:33,600
Speaker 1: most adorable little antelope in the world just all suddenly dying. Uh. There.

3107
02:50:34,040 --> 02:50:38,160
Speaker 1: So there are photos in Kazakhstans of in Kazakhstan of

3108
02:50:38,240 --> 02:50:42,680
Speaker 1: these fields just littered with these white lumps, and when

3109
02:50:42,720 --> 02:50:45,920
Speaker 1: you zoom in you realize they're all Saga antelope corpses

3110
02:50:46,040 --> 02:50:51,000
Speaker 1: just covering the ground. It's pretty bone chilling. It kind

3111
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:54,720
Speaker 1: of looks okay, this is a little bit, uh. It

3112
02:50:54,840 --> 02:50:57,320
Speaker 1: kind of looks like a cult death, a mass cult death,

3113
02:50:57,400 --> 02:51:02,160
Speaker 1: like jonestown antelope. Oh boy, I was going to say,

3114
02:51:02,200 --> 02:51:04,800
Speaker 1: when you go grenade fishing, but yeah, the same kind

3115
02:51:04,840 --> 02:51:10,960
Speaker 1: of idea grenade fishing. Yeah, what did you drop a

3116
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:12,720
Speaker 1: grenade in a lake and then it kills all the

3117
02:51:12,800 --> 02:51:15,680
Speaker 1: fish and they float to the top, so you can. Okay,

3118
02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:18,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was like you were fishing for fishing,

3119
02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:23,360
Speaker 1: like running around a field going like it's that if

3120
02:51:23,400 --> 02:51:26,720
Speaker 1: you go fishing in a lake where people go grenade fishing,

3121
02:51:26,959 --> 02:51:30,520
Speaker 1: you may in fact catch a grenade. But but two

3122
02:51:30,600 --> 02:51:34,760
Speaker 1: grenades with one stone, well kind of I'm having this

3123
02:51:34,840 --> 02:51:38,360
Speaker 1: image of bobbing for apples. But like above, the apple

3124
02:51:43,040 --> 02:51:48,200
Speaker 1: pareful with lakes in Iraq? Is it because they've got

3125
02:51:48,240 --> 02:51:54,600
Speaker 1: grenades in them? Yeah? Really that's how you fish? Yeah, okay, yeah,

3126
02:51:55,760 --> 02:52:00,360
Speaker 1: if I'm still obsession looking at these pictures, Okay, so

3127
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:04,240
Speaker 1: what what caused all this? This this nightmare plague that

3128
02:52:04,360 --> 02:52:06,200
Speaker 1: killed all of the all of the weird nos the

3129
02:52:06,240 --> 02:52:09,640
Speaker 1: gonzo antelope, right, the gonzo antelope. It was kind of

3130
02:52:09,760 --> 02:52:14,200
Speaker 1: a mystery. So in two hundred thousand siga died off

3131
02:52:14,560 --> 02:52:18,800
Speaker 1: in that year alone, and like literally not that many.

3132
02:52:19,160 --> 02:52:23,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was like the it wiped out the

3133
02:52:23,959 --> 02:52:27,920
Speaker 1: majority of the global population because they were already endangered.

3134
02:52:28,520 --> 02:52:31,760
Speaker 1: Um yeah, they just like keeled over died without explanation,

3135
02:52:31,879 --> 02:52:36,400
Speaker 1: and so researchers were obviously horrified and confused and slightly

3136
02:52:36,480 --> 02:52:43,000
Speaker 1: curious and started that's more than left. Yeah. Yeah, so

3137
02:52:43,800 --> 02:52:47,680
Speaker 1: they're like a hundred thousand left. Um. And so they

3138
02:52:47,800 --> 02:52:50,760
Speaker 1: started investigating the mass deaths and they found that the

3139
02:52:50,920 --> 02:52:56,279
Speaker 1: cause was a bacterial infection of pastor Ella multosita type

3140
02:52:56,360 --> 02:53:00,800
Speaker 1: B bacteria, which is a really catchy name um, and

3141
02:53:00,920 --> 02:53:06,000
Speaker 1: it caused hemorrhagic sceptics simia um, which is a horrible

3142
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:10,040
Speaker 1: I looked up the symptoms. It's like internal bleeding and

3143
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:13,880
Speaker 1: just it's like the worst cold ever, but also with

3144
02:53:14,040 --> 02:53:18,360
Speaker 1: your organs bleeding inside, which doesn't sound great. It sounds

3145
02:53:18,600 --> 02:53:24,200
Speaker 1: and honestly looks like Captain trips, like the plague from

3146
02:53:24,240 --> 02:53:26,560
Speaker 1: Stephen King's The Stand that killed all of the people.

3147
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:29,880
Speaker 1: Like just this horrible plague that makes everybody bleed out

3148
02:53:29,920 --> 02:53:33,879
Speaker 1: and drop where they're standing. Yeah, that's essentially what it happened.

3149
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:36,160
Speaker 1: What happens also with a lot of snots, like a

3150
02:53:36,280 --> 02:53:41,280
Speaker 1: lot of ye that's also very captain trips. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

3151
02:53:41,320 --> 02:53:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that yeah yeah, so meat fun. So yeah,

3152
02:53:48,240 --> 02:53:54,400
Speaker 1: what is thought to have happened is that basically this bacteria,

3153
02:53:54,480 --> 02:53:58,680
Speaker 1: pastor Ella has often been found in siga antelope large noses.

3154
02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:01,640
Speaker 1: They're also found in other like a yell at noses

3155
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:04,760
Speaker 1: that have big, these big sort of proboscus noses and

3156
02:54:05,560 --> 02:54:07,920
Speaker 1: it lives in there. But it's normally not a problem

3157
02:54:08,040 --> 02:54:11,120
Speaker 1: because the immune system is able to fight it off

3158
02:54:11,440 --> 02:54:15,280
Speaker 1: fine and maintains this balance. But the climate, I don't

3159
02:54:15,320 --> 02:54:17,400
Speaker 1: know if you guys have heard, but climate is kind

3160
02:54:17,400 --> 02:54:22,040
Speaker 1: of getting weird. That is something I've I've heard of, yeah,

3161
02:54:22,879 --> 02:54:26,000
Speaker 1: learning about it. It may be it may be changing

3162
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:27,800
Speaker 1: from what it used to be a little bit. Yeah,

3163
02:54:28,440 --> 02:54:32,520
Speaker 1: it's called change of climate kind of on a global scale,

3164
02:54:32,560 --> 02:54:38,160
Speaker 1: everything getting slightly warmer. Yeah, usually it's climate hottening. Climate hottening.

3165
02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:47,960
Speaker 1: Because of climate hottening, this bacteria it had much more ideal, uh,

3166
02:54:48,360 --> 02:54:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of of an environment to grow. So inside the

3167
02:54:52,320 --> 02:54:55,600
Speaker 1: beautiful proboscis of the antelope, you can imagine, it's moist,

3168
02:54:55,680 --> 02:54:59,320
Speaker 1: it's warm, it's great, it's moister, yeah, with fester inside

3169
02:54:59,320 --> 02:55:01,920
Speaker 1: the nose right exactly. And so when it gets more

3170
02:55:02,080 --> 02:55:05,240
Speaker 1: humid on the outside, more hot and humid, that nose

3171
02:55:05,520 --> 02:55:08,760
Speaker 1: increases in temperature as well, and it became the perfect

3172
02:55:08,920 --> 02:55:14,040
Speaker 1: incubator for hosting this bacteria such that it overwhelmed the

3173
02:55:14,080 --> 02:55:18,680
Speaker 1: antelopes immune system and literally they just started dropping like

3174
02:55:18,840 --> 02:55:22,959
Speaker 1: flies from this infection, like an entire herd dying within

3175
02:55:23,080 --> 02:55:26,920
Speaker 1: a couple of days. When when we first mentioned this,

3176
02:55:27,040 --> 02:55:28,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about how they can use their nose as

3177
02:55:28,640 --> 02:55:30,600
Speaker 1: like an air conditioner. I was thinking like, oh, maybe

3178
02:55:30,800 --> 02:55:32,800
Speaker 1: maybe these animals will be like well adapted to climate

3179
02:55:32,879 --> 02:55:35,360
Speaker 1: change so they can stuff regulate. But no, of course not.

3180
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:38,840
Speaker 1: Of course it's not a good story. Um yea. Now

3181
02:55:39,959 --> 02:55:42,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what's so creepy about climate change to

3182
02:55:42,600 --> 02:55:45,480
Speaker 1: me is there's like the obvious effects are things like

3183
02:55:45,640 --> 02:55:48,960
Speaker 1: more fire, we get real hot and we die because

3184
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:53,519
Speaker 1: it's too hot. But things like oh, this means bacteria

3185
02:55:53,680 --> 02:55:56,920
Speaker 1: loves loves living life and like starts eating us from

3186
02:55:56,959 --> 02:55:59,600
Speaker 1: the inside out. Like that's not a really I guess

3187
02:55:59,640 --> 02:56:03,280
Speaker 1: in two of consequence of global warming, but it is

3188
02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:07,160
Speaker 1: one of the things that seems to be likely to happen.

3189
02:56:07,200 --> 02:56:10,000
Speaker 1: So it's really creepy. Well it's fun is when you

3190
02:56:10,120 --> 02:56:12,560
Speaker 1: started this and talked about like a whole herd of

3191
02:56:12,879 --> 02:56:15,280
Speaker 1: of of these antelopes dropping at once, I thought it

3192
02:56:15,360 --> 02:56:16,920
Speaker 1: was going to be like, oh, another one of those

3193
02:56:16,959 --> 02:56:20,080
Speaker 1: like horrible sulfur bubbles that killed like a city's worth

3194
02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:23,480
Speaker 1: of animals in a matter of seconds. Because a bunch

3195
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:27,320
Speaker 1: of ice melted um and I'm not sure which is creepier. Actually,

3196
02:56:27,959 --> 02:56:32,160
Speaker 1: this is worse, Like they died in like horrible pain. Yeah,

3197
02:56:32,320 --> 02:56:35,280
Speaker 1: I don't think the sulfur wasn't painful. But yeah, they're

3198
02:56:35,320 --> 02:56:40,800
Speaker 1: both horrifying, the sulfurs at least faster. They're both very frightening.

3199
02:56:40,879 --> 02:56:43,240
Speaker 1: And it's also both things that like, oh yeah that

3200
02:56:43,320 --> 02:56:45,880
Speaker 1: could that could they that could drop some people that

3201
02:56:45,920 --> 02:56:48,320
Speaker 1: could just jump right across. There's there's a couple of

3202
02:56:48,360 --> 02:56:50,440
Speaker 1: ways this could go bad for us. This is the thing.

3203
02:56:50,600 --> 02:56:52,360
Speaker 1: And Robert was looking a little bit into to put

3204
02:56:52,400 --> 02:56:55,200
Speaker 1: together the first five scripted episodes of The Daily Is

3205
02:56:55,280 --> 02:56:57,720
Speaker 1: we In a few books we read, there were there

3206
02:56:57,760 --> 02:57:00,320
Speaker 1: were there were section, like large sections about this is

3207
02:57:00,400 --> 02:57:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna basically just make plagues be a thing forever. Now, Yeah,

3208
02:57:04,520 --> 02:57:06,160
Speaker 1: this is gonna be hard for people to really get

3209
02:57:06,200 --> 02:57:08,560
Speaker 1: their heads around. But imagine a plague hit in in

3210
02:57:08,720 --> 02:57:11,480
Speaker 1: in the twenty one century. How scary that would be,

3211
02:57:11,680 --> 02:57:14,440
Speaker 1: just really trying to get your head around that global plague. Yeah,

3212
02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:20,520
Speaker 1: people drop into frightening, you know. So the coronavirus coronavirus

3213
02:57:20,640 --> 02:57:22,680
Speaker 1: is technically it's not a plague, right because it's not

3214
02:57:23,840 --> 02:57:32,520
Speaker 1: it's not bacteria. It's yeah, it's like it's it's it's

3215
02:57:32,560 --> 02:57:36,200
Speaker 1: both both both Like vitral pathogens, bacterial pathogens are with

3216
02:57:36,400 --> 02:57:38,480
Speaker 1: with globalization, can spread it much faster, right, and now

3217
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:42,280
Speaker 1: with global warming there's gonna be more breeding ground for

3218
02:57:42,400 --> 02:57:44,800
Speaker 1: literally new bacterias. And this is and with with stuff

3219
02:57:44,840 --> 02:57:46,360
Speaker 1: melting in the ice caps and all that kind of stuff.

3220
02:57:46,520 --> 02:57:49,840
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of reasons to just assume that, yeah,

3221
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:52,119
Speaker 1: we're just gonna kind of live with plugues constantly being

3222
02:57:52,160 --> 02:57:55,440
Speaker 1: a problem now, Like it's that's just the were there there.

3223
02:57:55,720 --> 02:57:58,720
Speaker 1: There never is going to be a post COVID nineteen world.

3224
02:57:59,160 --> 02:58:02,720
Speaker 1: It's just this forever. COVID was just the first plague

3225
02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:06,280
Speaker 1: that really got through the defenses that we're never going

3226
02:58:06,360 --> 02:58:08,440
Speaker 1: to hold up to the damage we're doing to the climate.

3227
02:58:09,879 --> 02:58:11,920
Speaker 1: Like there were a couple of plagues beforehand that like

3228
02:58:12,080 --> 02:58:13,800
Speaker 1: we we were able to kind of cat tamp down

3229
02:58:13,879 --> 02:58:16,040
Speaker 1: on get a lit on, and COVID was just the

3230
02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:19,240
Speaker 1: system actually finally shattering and it's never gonna get fixed

3231
02:58:19,760 --> 02:58:22,480
Speaker 1: and the plagues are just gonna get plague gear and uh,

3232
02:58:22,840 --> 02:58:25,720
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. But on the other side, on the upside,

3233
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:31,720
Speaker 1: here's some mats. Okay, Yeah, on the upside, capitalism, we

3234
02:58:31,800 --> 02:58:35,240
Speaker 1: are back. I've I've unfortunately, I've got to the point

3235
02:58:35,280 --> 02:58:38,200
Speaker 1: where I'm scrolling through these pictures where I've now found

3236
02:58:38,280 --> 02:58:43,360
Speaker 1: the mountain of dead animals. Yeah, it's real, fucking the

3237
02:58:43,480 --> 02:58:46,400
Speaker 1: stand ship. Yeah, it's a lot of them, a lot

3238
02:58:46,480 --> 02:58:48,959
Speaker 1: of them dead, just in a giant pile. Like imagine

3239
02:58:49,000 --> 02:58:52,879
Speaker 1: the cutest Sesame Street character, cuter than snuffle Off, I guess,

3240
02:58:53,640 --> 02:58:57,040
Speaker 1: just lying in heaps, and that big nose has to

3241
02:58:57,120 --> 02:59:01,119
Speaker 1: make him extra vulnerable to fucking how horrible nose bacteria.

3242
02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:08,440
Speaker 1: That's what we were just talking about. It's literally that's

3243
02:59:08,560 --> 02:59:12,600
Speaker 1: just what we said. Katie just explained that. I know.

3244
02:59:13,200 --> 02:59:16,440
Speaker 1: But it's so sad. It is very sad. It's very sad,

3245
02:59:16,560 --> 02:59:20,879
Speaker 1: and there's this is not an isolated case that will

3246
02:59:20,959 --> 02:59:25,440
Speaker 1: never happen again. Researchers warn that it's very likely stuff

3247
02:59:25,480 --> 02:59:28,320
Speaker 1: like this will keep happening with climate change, and they're

3248
02:59:28,360 --> 02:59:32,520
Speaker 1: warning that reindeer populations are at risk because reindeer actually

3249
02:59:32,600 --> 02:59:35,120
Speaker 1: also have a really even though it doesn't seem like

3250
02:59:35,200 --> 02:59:37,040
Speaker 1: they have a huge boss, because they have a very

3251
02:59:37,080 --> 02:59:42,040
Speaker 1: impressive nose. It's very spacious. It also actually works like

3252
02:59:42,240 --> 02:59:45,280
Speaker 1: a little space heater and warms up the air as

3253
02:59:45,720 --> 02:59:49,240
Speaker 1: they breathe it in. It's pretty amazing. But those same

3254
02:59:49,520 --> 02:59:53,400
Speaker 1: characteristics that are so beneficial to the reindeer now could

3255
02:59:53,560 --> 02:59:56,840
Speaker 1: actually become very dangerous for them with climate change if

3256
02:59:56,920 --> 03:00:01,440
Speaker 1: this bacterial growth happened. So we're looking at potential, um,

3257
03:00:02,040 --> 03:00:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, risk to reindeer population, and there's also a

3258
03:00:05,760 --> 03:00:08,640
Speaker 1: lot of risk to farm animals as well, like for

3259
03:00:09,240 --> 03:00:14,040
Speaker 1: something similar have to happen, where this bacteria can infect

3260
03:00:14,480 --> 03:00:20,680
Speaker 1: farm animals like cows and other types of ungulate farm animals. Uh.

3261
03:00:21,080 --> 03:00:24,360
Speaker 1: And so you know, even if people don't care about

3262
03:00:24,640 --> 03:00:29,359
Speaker 1: the adorable psyched antelope, which I guess would be just psychopaths, murders,

3263
03:00:29,959 --> 03:00:34,880
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, But like you know, we also have

3264
03:00:35,480 --> 03:00:40,240
Speaker 1: very important species like you know, reindeer that are keystone

3265
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:45,000
Speaker 1: species and also you know our farm animals that you know, Yeah,

3266
03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:48,320
Speaker 1: they're very for a lot of people to basically how

3267
03:00:48,440 --> 03:00:51,440
Speaker 1: they live their lives are based around cultivating these animals

3268
03:00:51,520 --> 03:00:55,920
Speaker 1: and hunting and raising it. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean,

3269
03:00:56,480 --> 03:00:59,920
Speaker 1: in my opinion, every species, even if no matter how

3270
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:03,879
Speaker 1: obscured it is, it is typically something very important for humans.

3271
03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:05,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's sort of the like seven degrees of

3272
03:01:05,920 --> 03:01:09,320
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon. It's like you don't have to get too

3273
03:01:09,360 --> 03:01:13,360
Speaker 1: far away to realize that Kevin Bacon, like his survival

3274
03:01:13,480 --> 03:01:17,000
Speaker 1: is really important to the planet um. Except instead of

3275
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:19,720
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon, it's like any animal. And that is basically

3276
03:01:19,720 --> 03:01:22,520
Speaker 1: all animals and all ecosystems, no matter even if you

3277
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:26,120
Speaker 1: feel like they're not super important the way our world

3278
03:01:26,280 --> 03:01:29,359
Speaker 1: works and how it doesn't work, they're all incredibly intrinsic

3279
03:01:29,440 --> 03:01:33,039
Speaker 1: and reliant on each other. So even you know that's

3280
03:01:33,160 --> 03:01:34,960
Speaker 1: that we're seeing stuff about, like why don't we just

3281
03:01:35,120 --> 03:01:38,760
Speaker 1: like turn entire deserts into solar fields and be like, well, no,

3282
03:01:38,959 --> 03:01:42,520
Speaker 1: because the desert equisystem actually, like if they serves a

3283
03:01:42,640 --> 03:01:44,920
Speaker 1: very important purpose, Like you can't just be like, oh,

3284
03:01:45,280 --> 03:01:47,920
Speaker 1: deserts are important, Like no, like they have an actual

3285
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:50,920
Speaker 1: egoistm that's actually very important to the surrounding areas. We

3286
03:01:51,000 --> 03:01:53,120
Speaker 1: can't just bulldoze it and turn into a solar just

3287
03:01:53,360 --> 03:01:57,400
Speaker 1: sand garrison, which is coarse and irritating and it gets everywhere.

3288
03:01:57,440 --> 03:02:03,520
Speaker 1: It's everywhere. It's an actual quote from from episodes episode two,

3289
03:02:03,560 --> 03:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Attack of the Clones by hearing Christensen playing Anakin Skywalker

3290
03:02:07,160 --> 03:02:11,440
Speaker 1: the Padawan with with the rat tail. Yeah, yeah, classic

3291
03:02:12,040 --> 03:02:15,680
Speaker 1: that Yeah, his rat tail amazing. The courage they used

3292
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:19,920
Speaker 1: to the courage of two three stunning. Yeah, How could

3293
03:02:19,959 --> 03:02:22,320
Speaker 1: pad May not How could she not want that? How

3294
03:02:22,400 --> 03:02:25,720
Speaker 1: could you resist? It's like that Ween song Every girl

3295
03:02:25,800 --> 03:02:28,800
Speaker 1: wants a guy with a rat tail. Yeah, I'm just

3296
03:02:28,920 --> 03:02:30,800
Speaker 1: assuming if that were a song, it would be by

3297
03:02:30,879 --> 03:02:36,280
Speaker 1: Ween called it's called a like a love Lover. I

3298
03:02:36,360 --> 03:02:43,720
Speaker 1: think that's right, that's right. So what's up with these animals? Yeah,

3299
03:02:45,080 --> 03:02:47,160
Speaker 1: you want some more animals because I talked about how

3300
03:02:47,360 --> 03:02:50,800
Speaker 1: those animals mostly all died. Oh I'm I'm just thinking,

3301
03:02:50,840 --> 03:02:52,360
Speaker 1: like what's like, what's what like? Do you know, like,

3302
03:02:52,440 --> 03:02:56,000
Speaker 1: what's happened with them since they all dropped? A whole

3303
03:02:57,000 --> 03:03:02,520
Speaker 1: four thousand of them left alive? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, they're

3304
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:06,640
Speaker 1: not currently all dying of this bacterial infection. I think,

3305
03:03:06,760 --> 03:03:10,320
Speaker 1: like some of them are. They apparently outside of the

3306
03:03:10,480 --> 03:03:14,640
Speaker 1: danger zone. I guess outside of the area where there. Yeah,

3307
03:03:14,879 --> 03:03:17,359
Speaker 1: that's about the best you can say for any species.

3308
03:03:18,520 --> 03:03:21,560
Speaker 1: Some of them aren't in the danger area occurringly, but

3309
03:03:21,720 --> 03:03:26,240
Speaker 1: obviously that's going to change as global warming progresses. So yeah,

3310
03:03:26,440 --> 03:03:29,959
Speaker 1: it's a it's pretty grim. It's Also, I think, you know, obviously,

3311
03:03:30,040 --> 03:03:33,080
Speaker 1: when you think about these things, humans obviously don't have

3312
03:03:33,320 --> 03:03:35,840
Speaker 1: like these big snuffle off a guess noses, which is

3313
03:03:35,920 --> 03:03:38,560
Speaker 1: really sad because I'm imagining us with it, and we're

3314
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:42,280
Speaker 1: we'd all be dead, would all be dead? But really,

3315
03:03:42,520 --> 03:03:44,440
Speaker 1: which would be better for the planet? So but we

3316
03:03:44,680 --> 03:03:47,000
Speaker 1: but we we would we would be way better at

3317
03:03:47,040 --> 03:03:49,800
Speaker 1: whaling jizz. And honestly, I feel like we would be

3318
03:03:49,879 --> 03:03:54,240
Speaker 1: whaling the hell out of some jizz man. One can dream.

3319
03:03:54,400 --> 03:03:57,560
Speaker 1: We would be nose deep in a big old pilages.

3320
03:03:58,680 --> 03:04:05,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, how would How does the Bible quantify jizz?

3321
03:04:06,320 --> 03:04:13,760
Speaker 1: Um cubits? Okay, that's what Noah said, but he wanted

3322
03:04:13,840 --> 03:04:16,360
Speaker 1: to get the j on the ark. God's like, you

3323
03:04:16,879 --> 03:04:23,760
Speaker 1: must two jis of every kind. Well, Noah was big

3324
03:04:23,840 --> 03:04:28,120
Speaker 1: into Now we're just like drawing that it was ever

3325
03:04:28,240 --> 03:04:32,280
Speaker 1: about music? All right? Sorry, Katie, No, that's all right,

3326
03:04:33,400 --> 03:04:39,000
Speaker 1: I asked, so, h yeah, I mean I thought another

3327
03:04:39,080 --> 03:04:43,360
Speaker 1: thing we could talk about is how animal folklore is

3328
03:04:43,480 --> 03:04:46,760
Speaker 1: really important to pay attention to and to kind of

3329
03:04:47,640 --> 03:04:53,800
Speaker 1: listen to as both information and warnings for the future. Um,

3330
03:04:54,360 --> 03:04:57,600
Speaker 1: because we often dismissed folklore as like, oh, you know,

3331
03:04:57,800 --> 03:05:01,119
Speaker 1: these are just spooky stories that we tell around the campfire.

3332
03:05:01,400 --> 03:05:05,400
Speaker 1: They're just legends. They don't mean anything. We're especially dismissive,

3333
03:05:05,440 --> 03:05:08,520
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to indigenous peoples. It's like, oh,

3334
03:05:08,600 --> 03:05:11,440
Speaker 1: your folklore, Oh that's so cute and quaint. But yeah,

3335
03:05:11,520 --> 03:05:13,240
Speaker 1: we listen to it. We we look at it as

3336
03:05:13,320 --> 03:05:16,040
Speaker 1: we we like really like infantilize it as like, oh,

3337
03:05:16,120 --> 03:05:18,920
Speaker 1: look at you primitive people still doing folklore, which is

3338
03:05:19,040 --> 03:05:24,440
Speaker 1: extremely extremely disrespectful and also like very naive about how

3339
03:05:25,360 --> 03:05:28,680
Speaker 1: things work when you look at how heavily engineered all

3340
03:05:28,760 --> 03:05:32,000
Speaker 1: of like the forests were in the entirety of the

3341
03:05:32,080 --> 03:05:34,400
Speaker 1: America's like from the Amazon of the up to the

3342
03:05:34,440 --> 03:05:37,320
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. It's a little like like the architect of

3343
03:05:37,360 --> 03:05:39,480
Speaker 1: a building comes in and says, hey, you can't knock

3344
03:05:39,520 --> 03:05:41,640
Speaker 1: out that retaining while the building is gonna collapse, and

3345
03:05:41,640 --> 03:05:45,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, oh, Mr architect with his magic walls,

3346
03:05:46,680 --> 03:05:51,960
Speaker 1: and then the building. You know, there's there's a bunch

3347
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:56,000
Speaker 1: of paintings. You're like, there's like these drawings from like

3348
03:05:56,640 --> 03:05:59,760
Speaker 1: this is like the early sixteen hundreds of people like

3349
03:06:00,000 --> 03:06:02,040
Speaker 1: in North America, and and it will be the drawing

3350
03:06:02,040 --> 03:06:03,840
Speaker 1: and it's all these European guys standing on a tree

3351
03:06:04,560 --> 03:06:07,960
Speaker 1: and what they're watching is like it's it's one of

3352
03:06:08,040 --> 03:06:10,880
Speaker 1: one of the I forget exactly what tried. This is

3353
03:06:11,360 --> 03:06:13,200
Speaker 1: one of one of the people. Like they figured out

3354
03:06:13,240 --> 03:06:16,600
Speaker 1: how to have like a fire that's like it burns

3355
03:06:16,680 --> 03:06:19,879
Speaker 1: it like exactly, like like perfectly in this ring around

3356
03:06:19,879 --> 03:06:21,600
Speaker 1: the tree does not catch anything else inside of it.

3357
03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:24,080
Speaker 1: Like and it's funny because it's like you look at

3358
03:06:24,120 --> 03:06:28,320
Speaker 1: this and it's like, okay, like the people, like the

3359
03:06:28,520 --> 03:06:32,040
Speaker 1: people who are drawing this painting cannot do this. And

3360
03:06:32,120 --> 03:06:35,039
Speaker 1: it's like it's very clear that they're just like incredibly

3361
03:06:35,080 --> 03:06:37,360
Speaker 1: befuddled by this. But it's like you know, and just

3362
03:06:37,480 --> 03:06:39,879
Speaker 1: it's it's just sitting there and then all the people

3363
03:06:39,959 --> 03:06:41,720
Speaker 1: who paint, who paint that, you like, all the European

3364
03:06:41,760 --> 03:06:43,640
Speaker 1: artists who like do this each like no, no, not,

3365
03:06:43,920 --> 03:06:46,440
Speaker 1: it's fine. We don't know how they're doing this fire

3366
03:06:46,520 --> 03:06:52,760
Speaker 1: control stuff. But we're Europeans. Everything we every ignoring everything

3367
03:06:52,800 --> 03:06:54,960
Speaker 1: other people say is gonna go fine and great, and

3368
03:06:55,040 --> 03:06:57,640
Speaker 1: we're not gonna like turn half the country into a

3369
03:06:57,720 --> 03:07:00,840
Speaker 1: dust bowl. What do they got to hs? We figured

3370
03:07:00,879 --> 03:07:02,720
Speaker 1: out how to make boats that only kill half the

3371
03:07:02,800 --> 03:07:08,920
Speaker 1: people on them, only half barely. I mean that, I

3372
03:07:08,959 --> 03:07:12,080
Speaker 1: mean that is a really good point. Uh. Controlled burns

3373
03:07:12,360 --> 03:07:15,439
Speaker 1: have been practiced by a number of civilizations for millennia.

3374
03:07:16,240 --> 03:07:21,320
Speaker 1: But when European settlers came and colonized North America, were

3375
03:07:21,440 --> 03:07:24,800
Speaker 1: like controlled burns. But we want to sell the timber

3376
03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:29,200
Speaker 1: and that sounds dangerous, so let us handle it. But

3377
03:07:29,560 --> 03:07:34,120
Speaker 1: this is all immortalized in the biographical song Timber Bye

3378
03:07:34,280 --> 03:07:37,160
Speaker 1: Bye pit Bull, which which which tells this story in

3379
03:07:37,400 --> 03:07:40,480
Speaker 1: in lyrical version please continue, and in uh and in

3380
03:07:40,680 --> 03:07:44,520
Speaker 1: uh Timberland boots, and in Timberland boots. That's right, every

3381
03:07:44,600 --> 03:07:49,360
Speaker 1: Timberland boot has a piece of the story. Yeah, and timberwolves.

3382
03:07:49,480 --> 03:07:53,680
Speaker 1: The I'm gonna say, a hockey team. Yes, the hockey

3383
03:07:53,760 --> 03:08:00,000
Speaker 1: team is yeah, okay, yeah, Sophie is shaking your head.

3384
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:11,039
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Sophie, Minnesota Wolves. I'm sorry everyone, but yeah,

3385
03:08:11,080 --> 03:08:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean so in North America, especially in California. Uh,

3386
03:08:16,000 --> 03:08:20,560
Speaker 1: Indigenous American tribes practice controlled burns for thousands and thousands

3387
03:08:20,600 --> 03:08:24,240
Speaker 1: of years. Uh. The europe Carrack and Hoopa tribes of

3388
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:30,400
Speaker 1: California did controlled burns, which, in addition to preventing larger,

3389
03:08:30,600 --> 03:08:34,880
Speaker 1: more dangerous wildfires by getting grid of dead brush. It

3390
03:08:35,000 --> 03:08:39,040
Speaker 1: also promoted new growth of vegetation like really important plant

3391
03:08:39,080 --> 03:08:43,400
Speaker 1: species like oak and hazel. It even had unexpected effects

3392
03:08:43,520 --> 03:08:47,000
Speaker 1: like supporting the salmon population because as you did these

3393
03:08:47,040 --> 03:08:51,480
Speaker 1: controlled burns created a block from the sun so that

3394
03:08:51,640 --> 03:08:54,040
Speaker 1: the ash clouds and then that would cool down the

3395
03:08:54,120 --> 03:08:58,880
Speaker 1: temperatures of the streams. And I know what you're thinking, that, hey,

3396
03:08:59,080 --> 03:09:02,360
Speaker 1: to counter global warming, we should burn everything so that

3397
03:09:02,560 --> 03:09:08,360
Speaker 1: I cooled down. Um, the problem with burning everything like

3398
03:09:08,520 --> 03:09:13,280
Speaker 1: these uncontrolled burns is they also kill living vegetation. And

3399
03:09:13,400 --> 03:09:16,160
Speaker 1: it's just like it burns everything in sight and leaves

3400
03:09:16,360 --> 03:09:19,560
Speaker 1: basically nothing, and it burns off a huge amount of

3401
03:09:19,640 --> 03:09:22,720
Speaker 1: carbon stores. So the great thing about controlled burns is

3402
03:09:22,760 --> 03:09:27,240
Speaker 1: it very slowly burns off these carbon stores in this

3403
03:09:27,480 --> 03:09:30,520
Speaker 1: dead wood, and then it gives it time to re

3404
03:09:30,760 --> 03:09:34,720
Speaker 1: grow so that you recapture the carbon rather than just

3405
03:09:34,840 --> 03:09:37,360
Speaker 1: like burning all this carbon at once, releasing it all

3406
03:09:37,400 --> 03:09:40,119
Speaker 1: at once, and then it's like trying to play catchup.

3407
03:09:40,400 --> 03:09:42,800
Speaker 1: It's like if you still like a little bit of

3408
03:09:42,879 --> 03:09:44,920
Speaker 1: milk on the table and you use a paper towel

3409
03:09:45,200 --> 03:09:47,680
Speaker 1: and wipe it up, it works. But if you just

3410
03:09:47,800 --> 03:09:51,680
Speaker 1: like pour out the entire milk jug on the table. Uh,

3411
03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, on like a sloppy Saturday, just pouring out

3412
03:09:55,920 --> 03:09:57,920
Speaker 1: that milk. It's like a paper towel is not gonna

3413
03:09:57,920 --> 03:10:03,800
Speaker 1: do anything. That's like trees carbon you know what I'm saying. Yes, yeah,

3414
03:10:05,480 --> 03:10:07,960
Speaker 1: I do, I do, I do. I do pick up

3415
03:10:08,080 --> 03:10:11,119
Speaker 1: what you are putting down. They say, although I still

3416
03:10:11,160 --> 03:10:14,320
Speaker 1: think melk analogy, we should try a controlled burn on.

3417
03:10:14,480 --> 03:10:24,119
Speaker 1: Let's say Boston, see how it goes, right, I didn't

3418
03:10:24,160 --> 03:10:26,680
Speaker 1: care for it. I didn't care for Boston. Don't see

3419
03:10:26,840 --> 03:10:30,400
Speaker 1: how we need it? Even North End, Yeah, I didn't

3420
03:10:30,400 --> 03:10:33,920
Speaker 1: care for it. M hm. They've got good Canolis there, though,

3421
03:10:34,320 --> 03:10:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. You know where else has good Canolis?

3422
03:10:36,920 --> 03:10:41,039
Speaker 1: I don't because I don't care for Canoli's either. Okay, well,

3423
03:10:42,160 --> 03:10:48,640
Speaker 1: all right, that's uh. I'm actually living in Italy, and

3424
03:10:48,760 --> 03:10:50,480
Speaker 1: so if they find out I've been on this podcast,

3425
03:10:50,480 --> 03:10:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to get kicked out of the Oh you

3426
03:10:52,120 --> 03:10:55,240
Speaker 1: need to be yeah, very careful. It's filled with Italians.

3427
03:10:55,440 --> 03:10:57,959
Speaker 1: They're everywhere. If you can get up to the Alps,

3428
03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:00,280
Speaker 1: there might be some Swiss nearby who can protect. Yeah,

3429
03:11:00,360 --> 03:11:04,400
Speaker 1: but it's you're in dangerous territory. I didn't realize their

3430
03:11:04,440 --> 03:11:06,920
Speaker 1: Italians here, that's scary. Yeah, it's one of the main

3431
03:11:07,000 --> 03:11:12,040
Speaker 1: problems that Italy has. Yeah so uh yeah so. But

3432
03:11:12,240 --> 03:11:17,600
Speaker 1: when basically um indigenous tribes had a pretty good system

3433
03:11:17,720 --> 03:11:20,680
Speaker 1: of controlled burns in California, and then when you know,

3434
03:11:20,879 --> 03:11:23,840
Speaker 1: colonizers came to North America, we were like, hey, stop that.

3435
03:11:24,360 --> 03:11:26,520
Speaker 1: In fact, we're gonna make it illegal to do controlled

3436
03:11:26,560 --> 03:11:29,960
Speaker 1: burns because that seems dangerous. And they focused on fire

3437
03:11:30,080 --> 03:11:34,680
Speaker 1: suppression and protection of timber stores rather than you know,

3438
03:11:35,000 --> 03:11:37,360
Speaker 1: paying attention to the way people had been doing this

3439
03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:39,800
Speaker 1: for thousands and thousands of years and how it kind

3440
03:11:39,800 --> 03:11:42,120
Speaker 1: of worked. And so they just thought like, hey, if

3441
03:11:42,160 --> 03:11:45,320
Speaker 1: we just stopped fires from ever happening, they'll never happen.

3442
03:11:45,800 --> 03:11:49,800
Speaker 1: But spoilers they just started happening still happen and it's

3443
03:11:49,879 --> 03:11:52,280
Speaker 1: worse and they're out of control and they're big problems

3444
03:11:52,320 --> 03:11:57,080
Speaker 1: every year. And yeah, learned nothing, yep um. But another

3445
03:11:57,240 --> 03:12:01,000
Speaker 1: thing is that we could have learned about controlled burns

3446
03:12:01,240 --> 03:12:04,800
Speaker 1: much much earlier if we had decided to listen to

3447
03:12:05,040 --> 03:12:10,840
Speaker 1: the Aboriginal people's in northern Australia UM about fire hawks.

3448
03:12:11,480 --> 03:12:16,480
Speaker 1: So fire hawks are raptors. That is like birds of

3449
03:12:16,560 --> 03:12:22,360
Speaker 1: prey who seemed to either accidentally or intentionally spread wildfire

3450
03:12:22,520 --> 03:12:26,120
Speaker 1: by picking up smoldering twigs and sticks from a burning

3451
03:12:26,200 --> 03:12:30,560
Speaker 1: area and dropping them elsewhere. And then once they start

3452
03:12:30,720 --> 03:12:34,920
Speaker 1: that fire, they watch for all the little scared mice

3453
03:12:35,160 --> 03:12:38,959
Speaker 1: and rodents and lizards and just feast upon the fleeing animals.

3454
03:12:39,120 --> 03:12:43,080
Speaker 1: It's extremely metal. It does sound like that does sound

3455
03:12:43,200 --> 03:12:49,160
Speaker 1: very fun, yeah, uh, And so research published in eighteen

3456
03:12:50,080 --> 03:12:53,959
Speaker 1: uh detailed about how three species of birds of prey

3457
03:12:54,040 --> 03:12:56,920
Speaker 1: in Australia seemed to do this. But of course this

3458
03:12:57,080 --> 03:13:02,160
Speaker 1: is not news because aber original people's have known about

3459
03:13:02,320 --> 03:13:06,920
Speaker 1: this for thousands and thousands of years and have documented

3460
03:13:07,000 --> 03:13:11,039
Speaker 1: this in their own folklore. There's uh even a ceremony

3461
03:13:11,160 --> 03:13:16,880
Speaker 1: called yabada in which people act out birds carrying smoldering branches,

3462
03:13:17,040 --> 03:13:21,920
Speaker 1: which sounds amazing, but essentially they are teaching this uh

3463
03:13:22,280 --> 03:13:26,760
Speaker 1: sort of naturalist history of sorry of how they have

3464
03:13:26,959 --> 03:13:31,440
Speaker 1: seen these uh, these hawks, these fire hawks, carrying these

3465
03:13:31,480 --> 03:13:35,400
Speaker 1: burning sticks and distributing it. And if this, if we

3466
03:13:35,520 --> 03:13:37,880
Speaker 1: had listened to this, you know, earlier, we may have

3467
03:13:38,080 --> 03:13:42,840
Speaker 1: had more research on how you know, maybe these birds

3468
03:13:42,879 --> 03:13:48,160
Speaker 1: of prey have been terraforming the Australian out back for

3469
03:13:48,520 --> 03:13:51,520
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years, and that's really cool and

3470
03:13:51,600 --> 03:13:54,520
Speaker 1: it may be really informative, but unfortunately we kind of

3471
03:13:54,600 --> 03:13:59,160
Speaker 1: really only decided to start researching in and those researchers

3472
03:13:59,240 --> 03:14:03,240
Speaker 1: started doing it because they listened to, uh, these stories

3473
03:14:03,400 --> 03:14:10,760
Speaker 1: from the Aboriginal people. So yeah, yeah, I feel like

3474
03:14:10,879 --> 03:14:16,360
Speaker 1: everyone should. I feel like everyone should be more okay

3475
03:14:16,480 --> 03:14:20,440
Speaker 1: with understanding why folklore exists and what purpose it serves.

3476
03:14:21,280 --> 03:14:24,199
Speaker 1: This is this, this is something I got into years

3477
03:14:24,240 --> 03:14:28,720
Speaker 1: ago because of the because of the Lower podcast, learning

3478
03:14:28,800 --> 03:14:33,320
Speaker 1: about just how folklore influences culture and politics and a

3479
03:14:33,360 --> 03:14:35,960
Speaker 1: whole bunch of really interesting and weird ways, And that

3480
03:14:36,160 --> 03:14:38,800
Speaker 1: is something I wanted to talk about more because it's

3481
03:14:38,959 --> 03:14:41,920
Speaker 1: it's a thing, and folklore is different for us now

3482
03:14:42,000 --> 03:14:44,360
Speaker 1: in terms of how we have like a cultural stories,

3483
03:14:44,720 --> 03:14:46,680
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's still the same, it's still the

3484
03:14:46,760 --> 03:14:48,680
Speaker 1: same purpose and we just couldn't deny it in a

3485
03:14:48,760 --> 03:14:53,640
Speaker 1: way that is kind of silly. Yep. Yeah, I think

3486
03:14:53,720 --> 03:14:56,959
Speaker 1: there's often this idea of there is a clear distinction

3487
03:14:57,160 --> 03:15:00,840
Speaker 1: between fact and folklore, and well, it's true, like we

3488
03:15:00,959 --> 03:15:06,080
Speaker 1: can't necessarily just take folklore for at its exact word

3489
03:15:06,200 --> 03:15:08,680
Speaker 1: because like it's sort of like a telephone game throughout

3490
03:15:08,760 --> 03:15:11,160
Speaker 1: years and years. Folklore is going to take on new

3491
03:15:11,240 --> 03:15:14,760
Speaker 1: shapes every generation. But we really should take it seriously

3492
03:15:14,959 --> 03:15:18,600
Speaker 1: as a part of very important data set of like

3493
03:15:18,760 --> 03:15:22,800
Speaker 1: this is human observational history. Maybe some of it has

3494
03:15:22,920 --> 03:15:27,080
Speaker 1: been sort of uh turned into myth, but a lot

3495
03:15:27,120 --> 03:15:31,320
Speaker 1: of it could be genuine observation that people are relaying

3496
03:15:31,400 --> 03:15:35,200
Speaker 1: over many, many generations, which I think is really important. Well,

3497
03:15:35,400 --> 03:15:41,280
Speaker 1: thank you Katie Golden for talking about those those very

3498
03:15:41,400 --> 03:15:44,640
Speaker 1: silly Gonzo things that are unfortunately dropping dead at the

3499
03:15:44,680 --> 03:15:49,240
Speaker 1: little Gonzo climate change genocide. And then and then the

3500
03:15:49,320 --> 03:15:52,080
Speaker 1: other climate change issues are on folklore. Um where where

3501
03:15:52,120 --> 03:15:59,320
Speaker 1: can people find you on the old internet in interwebs? Yeah,

3502
03:16:00,440 --> 03:16:03,840
Speaker 1: I got a podcast. I don't know if you've heard

3503
03:16:03,879 --> 03:16:07,240
Speaker 1: about those. Uh, it's called Creature Feature. And I talk

3504
03:16:07,320 --> 03:16:10,560
Speaker 1: about stuff like this all the time about animals. It's

3505
03:16:10,600 --> 03:16:14,000
Speaker 1: not always about animals dying in horrible ways, but sometimes

3506
03:16:14,080 --> 03:16:16,520
Speaker 1: it is. It's a good mix, you know, it's like

3507
03:16:16,720 --> 03:16:21,280
Speaker 1: sometimes animals being alive, sometimes animals being dead. Sometimes some

3508
03:16:21,480 --> 03:16:25,960
Speaker 1: animals making other animals dead and interesting way animals, Yeah,

3509
03:16:26,040 --> 03:16:30,560
Speaker 1: you can never predict them. Uh, And you know, uh,

3510
03:16:31,160 --> 03:16:33,560
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Katie Golden. That's

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Speaker 1: ka E T I E G O L D I

3512
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Speaker 1: N uh yeah where I just you know, just posted

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Speaker 1: we sure do. Uh. So, you know, normal, This is

3546
03:19:00,400 --> 03:19:03,960
Speaker 1: a show about collapse, all that good stuff, YadA, YadA, YadA,

3547
03:19:04,000 --> 03:19:06,640
Speaker 1: But fucking it's Halloween week. So we're we're we're, we're

3548
03:19:06,720 --> 03:19:08,560
Speaker 1: we're making sure all of our stuff has a little

3549
03:19:08,560 --> 03:19:11,160
Speaker 1: bit of an extra spooky twist. It's like when you

3550
03:19:11,400 --> 03:19:13,680
Speaker 1: you make a Martini and you decide to actually put

3551
03:19:13,800 --> 03:19:16,080
Speaker 1: vermuth inside it, as opposed to just kind of waving

3552
03:19:16,160 --> 03:19:19,199
Speaker 1: it nearby. That's what we're doing this week with Spookiness

3553
03:19:19,480 --> 03:19:24,680
Speaker 1: being the vermouth and mixing up our martini. Today is

3554
03:19:25,040 --> 03:19:30,040
Speaker 1: Margaret Killjoy, Margaret Hello, Hello, I'm a famous mixologist, so

3555
03:19:30,480 --> 03:19:34,200
Speaker 1: clearly this will be very good now Margaret today for

3556
03:19:34,480 --> 03:19:37,480
Speaker 1: this very special episode of it could happen here on

3557
03:19:37,720 --> 03:19:41,160
Speaker 1: spooky week. You have written us while you've written a

3558
03:19:41,240 --> 03:19:43,960
Speaker 1: short story, and you're going to read it and and

3559
03:19:44,320 --> 03:19:47,960
Speaker 1: and we're all gonna enjoy it. Is that is that accurate? Um?

3560
03:19:48,120 --> 03:19:50,760
Speaker 1: I hope at least I can I can testify to

3561
03:19:50,840 --> 03:19:53,640
Speaker 1: the first parts, and I hope for the last part. Excellent.

3562
03:19:54,160 --> 03:19:57,280
Speaker 1: All right, Well with without further ado or with minimal

3563
03:19:57,360 --> 03:20:01,200
Speaker 1: further ado. Let's uh, let's let's let's you know, with

3564
03:20:01,320 --> 03:20:05,040
Speaker 1: the with the stuff, with the stuff, Margaret with the stuff. Well,

3565
03:20:05,160 --> 03:20:07,040
Speaker 1: this is great because this is actually a short story

3566
03:20:07,120 --> 03:20:10,520
Speaker 1: that you start reading of Oh ship, Yeah, where's that link?

3567
03:20:11,760 --> 03:20:13,360
Speaker 1: You tasted it to me? But I don't have my

3568
03:20:13,440 --> 03:20:15,800
Speaker 1: phone on me. Okay, let me put it in the

3569
03:20:15,879 --> 03:20:22,320
Speaker 1: chat here. Um. Based impressive, to say the least, based

3570
03:20:22,400 --> 03:20:27,920
Speaker 1: in fiction. Pilled. Okay, I start reading the italics. Yeah,

3571
03:20:28,040 --> 03:20:30,200
Speaker 1: it's the first, a couple of paragraphs of introduction, and

3572
03:20:30,280 --> 03:20:34,920
Speaker 1: that you're you're interviewing me. Alright, motherfucker's let's get it started.

3573
03:20:35,959 --> 03:20:40,240
Speaker 1: The Northern Host, for all it's lingering horror and misery,

3574
03:20:40,360 --> 03:20:42,240
Speaker 1: the wake of a war is rich to reign for

3575
03:20:42,320 --> 03:20:46,879
Speaker 1: a folkloreist like myself. More people report more supernatural experiences

3576
03:20:47,000 --> 03:20:49,680
Speaker 1: during times of war than times of peace. Some of

3577
03:20:49,760 --> 03:20:52,200
Speaker 1: my peers have argued the stress and shock of battle

3578
03:20:52,280 --> 03:20:56,160
Speaker 1: leaves our brains more susceptible to mass delusion. Others claim

3579
03:20:56,240 --> 03:20:59,120
Speaker 1: that the veil between worlds remains thin when so many

3580
03:20:59,200 --> 03:21:02,720
Speaker 1: are passing from life to death. The Second American Civil

3581
03:21:02,760 --> 03:21:06,880
Speaker 1: War has been no exception. Most famously, of course, soldiers

3582
03:21:06,959 --> 03:21:09,280
Speaker 1: from each of the three armies present at the fifteen

3583
03:21:09,360 --> 03:21:12,119
Speaker 1: day Siege of Saint Louis reported a wailing man who

3584
03:21:12,200 --> 03:21:15,520
Speaker 1: walked among the wounded, healing some and ending the lives

3585
03:21:15,560 --> 03:21:19,160
Speaker 1: of others. On the Cascadian Front, rebel forces spoke of

3586
03:21:19,280 --> 03:21:22,720
Speaker 1: black bears, who in effect stood sentry for their guerrilla positions.

3587
03:21:23,360 --> 03:21:27,080
Speaker 1: During the White Army's occupation of Washington, d C. Civilians

3588
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:30,760
Speaker 1: and soldiers alike reported apparitions pouring out from the Pentagon

3589
03:21:30,920 --> 03:21:34,400
Speaker 1: Crater every new moon. Of all the various myths and

3590
03:21:34,560 --> 03:21:37,440
Speaker 1: legends to spring up in the wake of the recent conflict, however,

3591
03:21:37,760 --> 03:21:40,880
Speaker 1: I find myself most strongly drawn to the stories of

3592
03:21:40,920 --> 03:21:43,959
Speaker 1: the Northern Host. Never have I heard a myth recounted

3593
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:46,720
Speaker 1: in such detail by such a wide variety of people.

3594
03:21:47,560 --> 03:21:50,600
Speaker 1: My favorite telling comes from Private Sarah Dollar in the

3595
03:21:50,680 --> 03:21:53,879
Speaker 1: Battle of Asheville. This interview was recorded in the spring

3596
03:21:53,959 --> 03:21:56,800
Speaker 1: of twenty thirty five and lightly edited for clarity with

3597
03:21:56,920 --> 03:21:59,800
Speaker 1: permission of the subject. Note that the subject refers to

3598
03:21:59,879 --> 03:22:03,120
Speaker 1: the White Army by pejoratives throughout. These have been left

3599
03:22:03,160 --> 03:22:07,960
Speaker 1: intact for the historical record. Could you introduce yourself and

3600
03:22:08,040 --> 03:22:11,440
Speaker 1: tell me what you saw. Yeah, my my name is

3601
03:22:11,480 --> 03:22:13,920
Speaker 1: Sarah Daher. I'm thirty one years old. I live in

3602
03:22:13,959 --> 03:22:16,160
Speaker 1: Asheville and the Appalachian region of the United States of

3603
03:22:16,200 --> 03:22:19,880
Speaker 1: America on stolen Cherokee Land. My u S military rank

3604
03:22:20,080 --> 03:22:22,840
Speaker 1: was private. They made us all privates when they incorporated

3605
03:22:22,879 --> 03:22:25,480
Speaker 1: the irregulars into the army, but I only served in

3606
03:22:25,520 --> 03:22:28,280
Speaker 1: the Union to fight the White Army a year later.

3607
03:22:28,600 --> 03:22:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm one of those crazy radicals who doesn't think the

3608
03:22:30,600 --> 03:22:34,320
Speaker 1: reconfiguration goes far enough. I never fired a gun in

3609
03:22:34,400 --> 03:22:36,320
Speaker 1: my life before the Irregulars, and I hope I never

3610
03:22:36,440 --> 03:22:39,520
Speaker 1: fired another one again. By temperament, I'm neither a lover

3611
03:22:39,680 --> 03:22:42,360
Speaker 1: nor a fighter. I'm just your average trans girl who

3612
03:22:42,520 --> 03:22:46,240
Speaker 1: likes cats and hates Nazis. I fought in three engagements

3613
03:22:46,440 --> 03:22:50,600
Speaker 1: in Weaverville, Leicester, and Asheville. I think I killed two people.

3614
03:22:51,240 --> 03:22:53,280
Speaker 1: One of them I know I killed him. I saw

3615
03:22:53,360 --> 03:22:55,200
Speaker 1: him bleed out and I saw him taken away in

3616
03:22:55,240 --> 03:22:57,920
Speaker 1: a black bag. The other person was a man I

3617
03:22:57,959 --> 03:23:00,840
Speaker 1: shot in the thigh during the Battle of Ashville. I

3618
03:23:00,959 --> 03:23:03,240
Speaker 1: didn't know you could die from a bullet in the thigh,

3619
03:23:03,320 --> 03:23:05,720
Speaker 1: but I've spent a lot of time looking at casualty records,

3620
03:23:05,800 --> 03:23:08,600
Speaker 1: and someone who fit that man's general description died in

3621
03:23:08,680 --> 03:23:11,720
Speaker 1: that battle from a bullet to the thigh. Does that

3622
03:23:12,080 --> 03:23:17,200
Speaker 1: bother you? Yes? No, I don't know. I don't lose

3623
03:23:17,280 --> 03:23:19,280
Speaker 1: sleep over it, but I think about it a lot.

3624
03:23:19,840 --> 03:23:21,520
Speaker 1: I look at the docks on both of them. The

3625
03:23:21,600 --> 03:23:23,960
Speaker 1: first guy was a true believer, a real blood and

3626
03:23:24,040 --> 03:23:26,800
Speaker 1: soil type. It doesn't bother me that I mingled those

3627
03:23:26,840 --> 03:23:30,160
Speaker 1: two things for him. The second man, though I'm not

3628
03:23:30,280 --> 03:23:32,920
Speaker 1: so sure he signed up because his son signed up.

3629
03:23:33,400 --> 03:23:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't have any kids myself, but I could see

3630
03:23:35,280 --> 03:23:39,240
Speaker 1: myself doing that. His son survived the war. Have you

3631
03:23:39,360 --> 03:23:42,320
Speaker 1: been in contact with his son? No funk. That guy

3632
03:23:42,440 --> 03:23:44,080
Speaker 1: that kids a fucking Nazi, and I don't know he

3633
03:23:44,160 --> 03:23:47,400
Speaker 1: talked his way out of the tribunals. Can you tell

3634
03:23:47,440 --> 03:23:51,120
Speaker 1: me what you saw at the Battle of Asheville. This

3635
03:23:51,280 --> 03:23:53,800
Speaker 1: was during the Fascist Spring offensive last year, you know

3636
03:23:54,080 --> 03:23:57,720
Speaker 1: Hitler's birthday April. By that point, the White Army was

3637
03:23:57,720 --> 03:23:59,920
Speaker 1: pretty much done, but they weren't about to go down

3638
03:24:00,000 --> 03:24:03,240
Speaker 1: without doing some major symbolic damage. So there were about

3639
03:24:03,280 --> 03:24:06,080
Speaker 1: forty of us, all irregulars, with our own commanders, no

3640
03:24:06,280 --> 03:24:10,360
Speaker 1: army oversight. Morale was down. We felt pretty abandoned, common

3641
03:24:10,480 --> 03:24:13,240
Speaker 1: sentiment in the South. I was on the street out

3642
03:24:13,240 --> 03:24:16,480
Speaker 1: in front of the library, walking rounds. Downtown was half

3643
03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:19,720
Speaker 1: rubble at that point. Only the library was standing because

3644
03:24:19,920 --> 03:24:22,600
Speaker 1: symbols matter and all that bullshit. So that's where we

3645
03:24:22,680 --> 03:24:26,560
Speaker 1: were making a stand. Neither side had artillery really by

3646
03:24:26,600 --> 03:24:29,720
Speaker 1: that point, the brass had just commandeered even our RPGs

3647
03:24:29,800 --> 03:24:32,800
Speaker 1: for the quote real fight. Air support wasn't coming, not

3648
03:24:32,959 --> 03:24:35,520
Speaker 1: for them and not for us. Really, the Battle of

3649
03:24:35,600 --> 03:24:38,200
Speaker 1: Ashville was was like nothing to the rest of the world,

3650
03:24:38,680 --> 03:24:41,720
Speaker 1: and we knew it. So I was doing the rounds,

3651
03:24:41,920 --> 03:24:44,160
Speaker 1: thinking about my ship luck, thinking maybe I was going

3652
03:24:44,240 --> 03:24:46,040
Speaker 1: to die, and how so many people had died, and

3653
03:24:46,240 --> 03:24:48,800
Speaker 1: what's another dead girl to add to the pile. I

3654
03:24:48,920 --> 03:24:50,680
Speaker 1: was thinking about how at least this dead girl is

3655
03:24:50,680 --> 03:24:53,199
Speaker 1: going to die surrounded by or in defense of books.

3656
03:24:54,440 --> 03:24:56,760
Speaker 1: And then I heard dogs from around the side of

3657
03:24:56,800 --> 03:24:59,800
Speaker 1: the building. One barked loud and near, the other sort

3658
03:24:59,840 --> 03:25:02,879
Speaker 1: of distant and echoy. I went to check it out.

3659
03:25:03,000 --> 03:25:06,200
Speaker 1: Turned the corner and there was this naked guy. He

3660
03:25:06,320 --> 03:25:09,000
Speaker 1: was pale as hell, tall, tattooed and scarred, and like

3661
03:25:09,080 --> 03:25:11,680
Speaker 1: I said, he was naked as the sun. I stared

3662
03:25:11,720 --> 03:25:14,959
Speaker 1: at him, he stared at me. I got so distracted

3663
03:25:15,000 --> 03:25:16,400
Speaker 1: trying to figure him out that it took me a

3664
03:25:16,440 --> 03:25:19,120
Speaker 1: moment to realize there were nine others behind him, or

3665
03:25:19,160 --> 03:25:22,560
Speaker 1: maybe they weren't there at first, I don't know. Most

3666
03:25:22,600 --> 03:25:25,800
Speaker 1: of them were men, mostly of the tall, Norse looking variety,

3667
03:25:25,879 --> 03:25:28,160
Speaker 1: but there was a Middle Eastern man and three women,

3668
03:25:28,320 --> 03:25:31,840
Speaker 1: including one who by my read was Latin X. No

3669
03:25:32,040 --> 03:25:35,040
Speaker 1: dogs anywhere that I could see. The man closest to me,

3670
03:25:35,160 --> 03:25:37,040
Speaker 1: he asked me something in a language I didn't know.

3671
03:25:37,760 --> 03:25:40,360
Speaker 1: I just kind of stared. He asked me another question

3672
03:25:40,480 --> 03:25:45,560
Speaker 1: in another language. What I asked? Who are you? Who

3673
03:25:45,640 --> 03:25:48,400
Speaker 1: are we fighting? He asked? His accent was thick, and

3674
03:25:48,440 --> 03:25:50,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't place it for the life of me. I mean,

3675
03:25:50,720 --> 03:25:52,880
Speaker 1: I know now, but I sure as ship didn't know

3676
03:25:52,959 --> 03:25:56,320
Speaker 1: it then we I asked what I was due back

3677
03:25:56,360 --> 03:25:58,360
Speaker 1: out front, because I was a century doing the rounds

3678
03:25:58,400 --> 03:26:00,920
Speaker 1: and this sure needed reporting. But what the hell was

3679
03:26:00,959 --> 03:26:04,480
Speaker 1: I going to tell? People? Who were we fighting? Where

3680
03:26:04,520 --> 03:26:08,880
Speaker 1: are we? You're in Asheville? Who are you? Ah? The

3681
03:26:08,959 --> 03:26:12,959
Speaker 1: American conflict, the man said behind him, others nodded. Their

3682
03:26:13,000 --> 03:26:16,600
Speaker 1: movements were sloppy, dream like they were drunk. I later

3683
03:26:16,720 --> 03:26:19,480
Speaker 1: realized one of them had dried blood running down from

3684
03:26:19,520 --> 03:26:23,680
Speaker 1: her lip onto a not insubstantial belly. You're fighting the nationalists,

3685
03:26:23,760 --> 03:26:27,280
Speaker 1: the first one said, We're here to help you. Who

3686
03:26:27,360 --> 03:26:30,680
Speaker 1: are you? I asked this third time he actually answered,

3687
03:26:31,320 --> 03:26:33,520
Speaker 1: my name is bell Gear. We are the dead. We

3688
03:26:33,640 --> 03:26:37,160
Speaker 1: are the Eynhyar from Valhalla. Every day we are sent

3689
03:26:37,240 --> 03:26:40,600
Speaker 1: to a battle to fight, and we die. The others

3690
03:26:40,680 --> 03:26:45,880
Speaker 1: behind him nodded, definitely drunk. Now, I know there were

3691
03:26:45,959 --> 03:26:48,320
Speaker 1: good folks on our side who were into European paganism,

3692
03:26:48,360 --> 03:26:49,920
Speaker 1: but you have to understand that a lot more of

3693
03:26:49,959 --> 03:26:52,720
Speaker 1: the fashion were into that ship than anybody else. If

3694
03:26:52,800 --> 03:26:55,520
Speaker 1: they hadn't been naked and drunk, I might have mistaken

3695
03:26:55,560 --> 03:26:59,360
Speaker 1: them for the enemy and shot them Valhalla, I said,

3696
03:26:59,440 --> 03:27:02,800
Speaker 1: reciting the tiny But I knew that's where Vikings go

3697
03:27:02,920 --> 03:27:05,720
Speaker 1: if they die in battle, feast every day and fight

3698
03:27:05,840 --> 03:27:09,080
Speaker 1: every night in Odin's hall until the end of the world,

3699
03:27:09,120 --> 03:27:12,160
Speaker 1: where you like also fight and die but wolf feeds

3700
03:27:12,200 --> 03:27:16,240
Speaker 1: the sun or something close enough, Belgar said. I mean,

3701
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:19,199
Speaker 1: Odin only gets half the battle dead, and Viking isn't

3702
03:27:19,200 --> 03:27:22,720
Speaker 1: a good name for us. But sure, and you're here

3703
03:27:22,800 --> 03:27:26,039
Speaker 1: because we are to take arms alongside you, fight your

3704
03:27:26,120 --> 03:27:30,080
Speaker 1: enemies and die today, and are going to die today.

3705
03:27:30,879 --> 03:27:34,560
Speaker 1: Only the seers and the gods know that. I've been

3706
03:27:34,600 --> 03:27:36,680
Speaker 1: calling myself a witch half of my life, but honestly

3707
03:27:36,760 --> 03:27:38,840
Speaker 1: that was mostly because I like taro and astrology and

3708
03:27:38,920 --> 03:27:41,520
Speaker 1: panagrams and ship. I've never been someone who took the

3709
03:27:41,560 --> 03:27:44,760
Speaker 1: supernatural all that seriously. But nothing in the world made

3710
03:27:44,760 --> 03:27:47,480
Speaker 1: sense like it used to. Fascists had just been driven

3711
03:27:47,560 --> 03:27:50,000
Speaker 1: out of d C. Cascadia had not only succeeded, but

3712
03:27:50,120 --> 03:27:52,560
Speaker 1: was in a civil war of its own. Now Mexico

3713
03:27:52,680 --> 03:27:54,960
Speaker 1: was gone and replaced by self governing states of almost

3714
03:27:55,000 --> 03:27:57,920
Speaker 1: every stripe in the political rainbow. China had backed white

3715
03:27:57,959 --> 03:28:00,440
Speaker 1: supremacists and other nationalist types, and in Amry in civil

3716
03:28:00,520 --> 03:28:04,400
Speaker 1: war and anti government leftists were fighting alongside weirdos like

3717
03:28:04,520 --> 03:28:07,400
Speaker 1: me in the damn u s Army. I can't say

3718
03:28:07,480 --> 03:28:10,080
Speaker 1: those things were as weird as naked dead don't call

3719
03:28:10,200 --> 03:28:13,119
Speaker 1: us vikings talking to me in the street. But somehow

3720
03:28:13,160 --> 03:28:17,039
Speaker 1: all of that was just comparably bizarre. Come let us

3721
03:28:17,120 --> 03:28:19,640
Speaker 1: arm ourselves and fight together. You and I belger said.

3722
03:28:20,560 --> 03:28:23,000
Speaker 1: So that's how I met the Northern host. Most people

3723
03:28:23,000 --> 03:28:24,800
Speaker 1: don't believe me, assume it was just some kind of

3724
03:28:24,879 --> 03:28:27,840
Speaker 1: drunk wing nuts, maybe some irregulars I've never met before.

3725
03:28:28,320 --> 03:28:29,920
Speaker 1: But I saw what I saw, and I believe it.

3726
03:28:30,520 --> 03:28:32,640
Speaker 1: The rest of us who survived they saw it too.

3727
03:28:34,120 --> 03:28:37,840
Speaker 1: And how did it go? Yeah? Pardon the battle? How

3728
03:28:37,920 --> 03:28:40,960
Speaker 1: did it go? We got the inn here yard into

3729
03:28:41,000 --> 03:28:43,959
Speaker 1: irregular's garb and armed them. There were plenty of guns

3730
03:28:44,040 --> 03:28:48,080
Speaker 1: at that point in the forgotten hellhole up front, Bullets

3731
03:28:48,200 --> 03:28:51,360
Speaker 1: not so much but plenty of guns. They were all

3732
03:28:51,400 --> 03:28:53,960
Speaker 1: comfortable with firearms. The one fellow groused about what he

3733
03:28:53,959 --> 03:28:56,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't do for an axe and shield, and another said

3734
03:28:56,440 --> 03:28:59,400
Speaker 1: what we had was fine, but monofilament web guns were

3735
03:28:59,440 --> 03:29:02,600
Speaker 1: better than any combat shotgun. To hear them, tell it,

3736
03:29:02,920 --> 03:29:04,760
Speaker 1: funk it? Why am I pretending like I don't believe them?

3737
03:29:05,160 --> 03:29:06,760
Speaker 1: I believe them with every bit of my soul, and

3738
03:29:06,800 --> 03:29:08,560
Speaker 1: damn what people think of me for it. The Northern

3739
03:29:08,600 --> 03:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Host fight every night and every night. They are in

3740
03:29:11,040 --> 03:29:13,879
Speaker 1: a different time and place. Most battles in human history

3741
03:29:13,959 --> 03:29:17,000
Speaker 1: were in the past, they said, which sounds optimistic, doesn't it.

3742
03:29:17,480 --> 03:29:19,160
Speaker 1: But they said they fought in every century up to

3743
03:29:20,840 --> 03:29:25,600
Speaker 1: nothing happens after the century Ragnarok most likely the end

3744
03:29:25,600 --> 03:29:27,320
Speaker 1: of the world, wolves eating the sun and the moon.

3745
03:29:27,440 --> 03:29:31,320
Speaker 1: All that. They stood guard out with me out front.

3746
03:29:31,800 --> 03:29:34,440
Speaker 1: Around midday we got hit with an e MP. We

3747
03:29:34,560 --> 03:29:36,520
Speaker 1: knew that was coming. It didn't screw us up much.

3748
03:29:36,600 --> 03:29:39,080
Speaker 1: We had a hardened phone in the basement, and all

3749
03:29:39,120 --> 03:29:41,280
Speaker 1: our weapons operated just as well in dumb mode a

3750
03:29:41,360 --> 03:29:45,360
Speaker 1: smart mode, including our own e MPs. The White Army

3751
03:29:45,400 --> 03:29:48,320
Speaker 1: showed up maybe a hundred men, all men. That's their

3752
03:29:48,320 --> 03:29:50,600
Speaker 1: whole stick. They came in on motorcycles and a t

3753
03:29:50,680 --> 03:29:54,119
Speaker 1: v s and horses more stick, Like, how fucking folksy

3754
03:29:54,240 --> 03:29:56,400
Speaker 1: they are. We hit them with the m e mp

3755
03:29:56,560 --> 03:29:58,440
Speaker 1: s anyway, level the field, took out the a t

3756
03:29:58,560 --> 03:30:02,000
Speaker 1: v s, the bikes were retrofitted, no electric and a horse.

3757
03:30:02,160 --> 03:30:05,039
Speaker 1: You can't imp a horse. I don't know if there

3758
03:30:05,080 --> 03:30:06,960
Speaker 1: was a skirmish in that war that didn't start with

3759
03:30:07,040 --> 03:30:09,680
Speaker 1: both sides ritually knocking the other one back to basically

3760
03:30:09,720 --> 03:30:12,880
Speaker 1: the twentieth century. I think the tactical e MP is

3761
03:30:12,920 --> 03:30:16,160
Speaker 1: the reason there's anything left of this country. We took

3762
03:30:16,200 --> 03:30:18,040
Speaker 1: a few pot shots while they were still at range,

3763
03:30:18,080 --> 03:30:20,160
Speaker 1: but we didn't have the AMMO to waste on anything else.

3764
03:30:20,640 --> 03:30:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't think we did any damage. They took up

3765
03:30:23,480 --> 03:30:25,360
Speaker 1: position further up the hill and the ruins of the

3766
03:30:25,400 --> 03:30:30,280
Speaker 1: old Basilica. Then we waited. We should have mined the church.

3767
03:30:31,000 --> 03:30:33,120
Speaker 1: That old thing was blown half to ship. Anyway, It

3768
03:30:33,120 --> 03:30:35,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't have made the world any worse if we'd either

3769
03:30:35,160 --> 03:30:39,080
Speaker 1: leveled it or hidden explosives throughout. But you know, ethical

3770
03:30:39,240 --> 03:30:42,840
Speaker 1: war or whatever, don't mind churches. The other side leveled

3771
03:30:42,879 --> 03:30:45,880
Speaker 1: every mosques, synagogue and quote heretic church. They got their

3772
03:30:45,879 --> 03:30:48,600
Speaker 1: hands on, not to mention libraries and universities and even

3773
03:30:48,600 --> 03:30:51,840
Speaker 1: the goddamn Statue of Liberty because they had immigrants. But

3774
03:30:52,000 --> 03:30:54,360
Speaker 1: we were supposed to be fighting a quote ethical war.

3775
03:30:55,120 --> 03:30:58,160
Speaker 1: Those two words don't got nothing to do with one another,

3776
03:30:58,320 --> 03:31:01,200
Speaker 1: and everyone knows it. So they hold up in the

3777
03:31:01,200 --> 03:31:03,360
Speaker 1: basilica and we pulled back into the library and we

3778
03:31:03,440 --> 03:31:05,920
Speaker 1: had one of those good old fashioned standoffs where people

3779
03:31:05,959 --> 03:31:10,200
Speaker 1: die slowly from sniper fire and everything is awful. That's

3780
03:31:10,240 --> 03:31:12,920
Speaker 1: when Laura got shot right in the head because we

3781
03:31:13,040 --> 03:31:15,160
Speaker 1: missed a spot when we bullet proof of the facade.

3782
03:31:15,720 --> 03:31:19,160
Speaker 1: She's dead. She had natural red hair, but she always

3783
03:31:19,200 --> 03:31:21,560
Speaker 1: died at redder and her favorite show was Buffy the

3784
03:31:21,640 --> 03:31:23,840
Speaker 1: Vampire Slayer, and she liked to drink water out of

3785
03:31:23,879 --> 03:31:28,120
Speaker 1: long stem glasses. She was I think she was thirty seven,

3786
03:31:28,720 --> 03:31:33,800
Speaker 1: way past rafting age. She volunteered. It was her first engagement.

3787
03:31:34,400 --> 03:31:37,480
Speaker 1: She was only there because she loved books, had plenty

3788
03:31:37,520 --> 03:31:39,520
Speaker 1: of time to avoid looking at her corpse while she

3789
03:31:39,640 --> 03:31:42,440
Speaker 1: was in there with us dead. Dwight was another one

3790
03:31:42,440 --> 03:31:44,600
Speaker 1: of my friends in the unit, one of my favorite people,

3791
03:31:44,680 --> 03:31:47,280
Speaker 1: hands down, total weirdo, and he was all obsessed with

3792
03:31:47,360 --> 03:31:50,240
Speaker 1: that Viking ship in Dark Ages in general. Both his

3793
03:31:50,320 --> 03:31:52,440
Speaker 1: parents had come over from Sweden, though his dad was

3794
03:31:52,480 --> 03:31:56,080
Speaker 1: originally from Nigeria. Dwight had one degree in medieval studies

3795
03:31:56,080 --> 03:31:58,400
Speaker 1: in another African history, and I I can't tell you

3796
03:31:58,480 --> 03:32:01,120
Speaker 1: how many times during basic run down the details of

3797
03:32:01,200 --> 03:32:04,039
Speaker 1: this or that ancient battle, whether in Europe or Africa.

3798
03:32:04,480 --> 03:32:06,720
Speaker 1: If there were guns involved, he didn't care about it.

3799
03:32:06,800 --> 03:32:09,039
Speaker 1: But if there were swords and armor or spears and shields,

3800
03:32:09,320 --> 03:32:12,240
Speaker 1: he was all in. He started talking to the Vikings.

3801
03:32:12,360 --> 03:32:14,800
Speaker 1: First thing. He was the first person to believe them,

3802
03:32:14,879 --> 03:32:17,920
Speaker 1: to to really believe them, and his faith was contagious.

3803
03:32:18,520 --> 03:32:21,880
Speaker 1: While we were pinned down, he asked them everything. Mostly

3804
03:32:22,000 --> 03:32:25,120
Speaker 1: they were quiet, even taciturn, but there was one thing

3805
03:32:25,160 --> 03:32:28,440
Speaker 1: they were very insistent on and that I overheard them

3806
03:32:28,520 --> 03:32:32,920
Speaker 1: talking about Nazis don't go to Valhalla. But why not?

3807
03:32:33,080 --> 03:32:35,959
Speaker 1: Dwight asked, It takes two things to go to Valhalla.

3808
03:32:36,080 --> 03:32:38,560
Speaker 1: The spokesperson said, you have to die in battle and

3809
03:32:38,640 --> 03:32:41,560
Speaker 1: you have to venerate odin a bunch of those fuckers

3810
03:32:41,680 --> 03:32:45,680
Speaker 1: or oldness. He said, no, they aren't. Their nationalist, fascist,

3811
03:32:45,800 --> 03:32:48,360
Speaker 1: racial separatists. They're all kinds of things, but they don't

3812
03:32:48,440 --> 03:32:52,440
Speaker 1: venerate Odin. Whatever they think, What do you mean? They

3813
03:32:52,480 --> 03:32:55,280
Speaker 1: only know one half of Odin. They know the masculine side,

3814
03:32:55,320 --> 03:32:59,800
Speaker 1: the heterosexual side, the Christian side. They worship a bastardization

3815
03:32:59,840 --> 03:33:02,640
Speaker 1: of our God, a bastardization first created by a nationalist

3816
03:33:02,720 --> 03:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Christian eight hundred years ago that's only gotten further afield

3817
03:33:06,200 --> 03:33:10,120
Speaker 1: since our Odin practices women's magic, the magic of these

3818
03:33:10,320 --> 03:33:14,000
Speaker 1: sexually penetrated. We also worshiped female gods of war, and

3819
03:33:14,080 --> 03:33:16,200
Speaker 1: male gods of the hearth, and gods who change their

3820
03:33:16,240 --> 03:33:20,040
Speaker 1: gender when they're bored. Nazis don't understand that any of it.

3821
03:33:20,680 --> 03:33:24,080
Speaker 1: In life, we raided, sometimes traded, other times. We also

3822
03:33:24,120 --> 03:33:26,959
Speaker 1: did all sorts of things that won't fit your modern sensibilities,

3823
03:33:27,560 --> 03:33:29,840
Speaker 1: things that were I alive you might kill me for.

3824
03:33:30,720 --> 03:33:33,160
Speaker 1: But we're not Nazis. And people who worship a Christian

3825
03:33:33,240 --> 03:33:36,600
Speaker 1: version of our God most certainly do not go to Valhalla.

3826
03:33:38,240 --> 03:33:39,959
Speaker 1: It was as if the man had used up every

3827
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:42,400
Speaker 1: word allotted to him for the day, because I don't

3828
03:33:42,440 --> 03:33:44,840
Speaker 1: believe a one of them spoke again before the battle

3829
03:33:44,920 --> 03:33:50,200
Speaker 1: began in earnest And how long was that another hour?

3830
03:33:50,360 --> 03:33:52,959
Speaker 1: Maybe the sun was still right overhead when the white

3831
03:33:53,040 --> 03:33:56,200
Speaker 1: army rushed us. It was a bullshit move, rushing us

3832
03:33:56,680 --> 03:33:59,360
Speaker 1: one part over confidence in one part desperation. If you

3833
03:33:59,400 --> 03:34:02,160
Speaker 1: can imagine that they knew they were losing the war

3834
03:34:02,280 --> 03:34:04,400
Speaker 1: at that point, but they had us more than two

3835
03:34:04,480 --> 03:34:07,280
Speaker 1: to one, and we all know that KKK commanders don't

3836
03:34:07,280 --> 03:34:10,280
Speaker 1: give two ships about the lives of their men. That's

3837
03:34:10,320 --> 03:34:12,800
Speaker 1: when I put a bullet on a man's leg while

3838
03:34:12,840 --> 03:34:15,480
Speaker 1: he was in the street running. It was a good shot.

3839
03:34:15,920 --> 03:34:18,200
Speaker 1: He was running, and I led the target and everything.

3840
03:34:18,760 --> 03:34:21,199
Speaker 1: I've been aiming for center body mass, but but still

3841
03:34:21,720 --> 03:34:24,000
Speaker 1: at least a hundred yards against a moving target. I

3842
03:34:24,120 --> 03:34:25,720
Speaker 1: was proud of that shot at the time on a

3843
03:34:25,800 --> 03:34:28,320
Speaker 1: technical level, even if I'm not sure i'm proud of

3844
03:34:28,360 --> 03:34:31,360
Speaker 1: it anymore now that I know the man's name. We

3845
03:34:31,520 --> 03:34:34,560
Speaker 1: expected the charge. What we didn't expect was the ordinance

3846
03:34:34,600 --> 03:34:37,960
Speaker 1: that knocked the reinforced front off its hinges. But that happened,

3847
03:34:38,000 --> 03:34:39,920
Speaker 1: and almost all the fighting happened right there on the

3848
03:34:39,959 --> 03:34:43,160
Speaker 1: first floor, among the empty shelves. The whole thing felt

3849
03:34:43,200 --> 03:34:46,000
Speaker 1: like it lasted half an hour. I've looked it up since,

3850
03:34:46,560 --> 03:34:48,320
Speaker 1: from the time of the first blast at the time

3851
03:34:48,360 --> 03:34:51,280
Speaker 1: the last shot was fired, we're talking about three minutes.

3852
03:34:51,280 --> 03:34:54,879
Speaker 1: In twelve seconds, we thought they were going to pour

3853
03:34:55,000 --> 03:34:57,120
Speaker 1: in through the door after they blew it the funk off.

3854
03:34:57,520 --> 03:34:59,959
Speaker 1: So James got in there with our one functioning automatic

3855
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:01,560
Speaker 1: and he took at least ten of the fashion down

3856
03:35:01,640 --> 03:35:04,400
Speaker 1: with him before someone got him in the neck. It

3857
03:35:04,520 --> 03:35:06,000
Speaker 1: was a faint and they blew a hole in the

3858
03:35:06,040 --> 03:35:08,400
Speaker 1: side of the building. Well, well that was going on,

3859
03:35:08,600 --> 03:35:11,200
Speaker 1: and that's where they got in close quarters combat as

3860
03:35:11,200 --> 03:35:14,320
Speaker 1: a whole different beast, a worse one, maybe maybe a

3861
03:35:14,400 --> 03:35:17,320
Speaker 1: better one. I go back on fourth on that. Sometimes

3862
03:35:17,360 --> 03:35:20,000
Speaker 1: instead of sleeping, I think about the pros and cons

3863
03:35:20,080 --> 03:35:22,720
Speaker 1: of various types of absolute horror. Is it better to

3864
03:35:22,760 --> 03:35:24,840
Speaker 1: see your death coming or to get picked off without

3865
03:35:24,920 --> 03:35:27,760
Speaker 1: knowing it? I would have thought the Vikings would expend

3866
03:35:27,800 --> 03:35:31,840
Speaker 1: themselves right off. I mean Vikings. They were starting to

3867
03:35:31,879 --> 03:35:34,560
Speaker 1: sober up by that point, but still they'd been drinking,

3868
03:35:35,080 --> 03:35:37,400
Speaker 1: and they were already dead, and they were doomed to die.

3869
03:35:38,040 --> 03:35:40,960
Speaker 1: But they were smarter than that, never risked themselves unnecessarily.

3870
03:35:41,879 --> 03:35:44,199
Speaker 1: Your next assumption of a comrade you know is doomed

3871
03:35:44,280 --> 03:35:47,280
Speaker 1: is that they'll sacrifice themselves to save others. None of

3872
03:35:47,320 --> 03:35:50,000
Speaker 1: that either. They knew they were the best trained soldiers

3873
03:35:50,080 --> 03:35:52,440
Speaker 1: on the field, and that in order for us to win,

3874
03:35:52,879 --> 03:35:54,280
Speaker 1: they had to be in the fight as long as

3875
03:35:54,360 --> 03:35:57,760
Speaker 1: they could. They were smart like that, assholes like that.

3876
03:35:58,600 --> 03:36:01,520
Speaker 1: I stationed myself in the back. I fancy myself more

3877
03:36:01,560 --> 03:36:03,960
Speaker 1: of a sniper than the assault sort, so I watched

3878
03:36:04,000 --> 03:36:06,640
Speaker 1: the whole thing go down. I also only hit three

3879
03:36:06,720 --> 03:36:09,280
Speaker 1: targets out of a hundred and seventeen bullets I fired.

3880
03:36:09,800 --> 03:36:13,400
Speaker 1: But that's another story. I watched us whin. We took

3881
03:36:13,440 --> 03:36:17,000
Speaker 1: casualties of fifty percent, half of those were Kia, but

3882
03:36:17,120 --> 03:36:19,840
Speaker 1: we defeated a force twice our strength. I watched the

3883
03:36:19,879 --> 03:36:23,080
Speaker 1: inn hangar bayonet men and shoot them, and I saw

3884
03:36:23,200 --> 03:36:25,320
Speaker 1: one of the Viking women break a man's face apart

3885
03:36:25,400 --> 03:36:28,600
Speaker 1: with her fists. Soon after, a bullet found her heart

3886
03:36:28,640 --> 03:36:31,960
Speaker 1: and she collapsed with a smile on her lips. She disappeared,

3887
03:36:32,400 --> 03:36:35,680
Speaker 1: like literally she phased out of existence. Being me up, Scotty.

3888
03:36:36,600 --> 03:36:38,720
Speaker 1: We pushed them back onto the pavement, And when I

3889
03:36:38,840 --> 03:36:41,080
Speaker 1: say we, I'm honestly not being fair because I didn't

3890
03:36:41,080 --> 03:36:44,080
Speaker 1: do much of it myself. We had them scattered and running,

3891
03:36:44,480 --> 03:36:48,000
Speaker 1: most of them. Dwight was out there waving a pistol

3892
03:36:48,040 --> 03:36:50,600
Speaker 1: in one hand and swinging a wooden stock rifle like

3893
03:36:50,680 --> 03:36:53,240
Speaker 1: a club in the other. A Viking with a shotgun

3894
03:36:53,320 --> 03:36:56,280
Speaker 1: stood beside him. I think the same fashy little ship

3895
03:36:56,440 --> 03:36:58,760
Speaker 1: killed them both, maybe in the same three round burst.

3896
03:36:59,520 --> 03:37:01,720
Speaker 1: I tagged Fashion in his belly, and his friends helped

3897
03:37:01,800 --> 03:37:05,080
Speaker 1: him get away, and the remaining Nazis ran. He survived

3898
03:37:05,120 --> 03:37:07,720
Speaker 1: his wound. Why do we have so much information about

3899
03:37:07,720 --> 03:37:09,760
Speaker 1: the war? Does it do me any good to know

3900
03:37:09,879 --> 03:37:14,760
Speaker 1: who I killed and who I didn't? And Dwight. Dwight

3901
03:37:14,879 --> 03:37:18,320
Speaker 1: lay alone in the concrete, face down. There wasn't much blood,

3902
03:37:18,400 --> 03:37:21,240
Speaker 1: but he was dead. Two ravens sat atop him, one

3903
03:37:21,320 --> 03:37:24,040
Speaker 1: on each shoulder. I've never seen a raven in Asheville

3904
03:37:24,080 --> 03:37:26,840
Speaker 1: in my life, not before, not since. There were two

3905
03:37:26,879 --> 03:37:29,400
Speaker 1: of them, as big as people say those things are.

3906
03:37:30,320 --> 03:37:33,560
Speaker 1: They barked and they sounded like dogs. One was loud,

3907
03:37:34,160 --> 03:37:37,359
Speaker 1: like it was right where I was. The other was distant, echoing.

3908
03:37:37,879 --> 03:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Then they flew away, directly up and towards the sun,

3909
03:37:40,920 --> 03:37:42,640
Speaker 1: and I tried to watch to see where they went,

3910
03:37:42,800 --> 03:37:44,600
Speaker 1: but you can't look directly at the sun like that.

3911
03:37:45,520 --> 03:37:48,720
Speaker 1: I looked back down and Dwight was gone. Okay, so

3912
03:37:48,879 --> 03:37:51,040
Speaker 1: his body was still there, but there was there was

3913
03:37:51,160 --> 03:37:53,120
Speaker 1: something about him that was gone, and I don't know

3914
03:37:53,120 --> 03:37:55,920
Speaker 1: how to tell you what it was. That that was

3915
03:37:56,000 --> 03:37:59,720
Speaker 1: that we won sort of. They didn't storm the library,

3916
03:38:00,280 --> 03:38:03,280
Speaker 1: guess means we won. But sometimes I'd think I'd burn

3917
03:38:03,360 --> 03:38:05,280
Speaker 1: every single book in that place. It would bring back

3918
03:38:05,360 --> 03:38:07,400
Speaker 1: Lord or Dwight or any of the rest of my friends.

3919
03:38:08,200 --> 03:38:09,920
Speaker 1: The war was over at that point, even if we

3920
03:38:09,959 --> 03:38:12,080
Speaker 1: didn't know it yet. So what did they die for?

3921
03:38:12,840 --> 03:38:15,880
Speaker 1: I guess for symbols. Maybe symbols matter that much. I

3922
03:38:16,320 --> 03:38:20,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I deserted after that. Half the survivors of

3923
03:38:20,360 --> 03:38:22,360
Speaker 1: the Battle of Asheville died less than a week later

3924
03:38:22,440 --> 03:38:24,959
Speaker 1: up in Pittsburgh. And I suppose I'd be dead if

3925
03:38:25,000 --> 03:38:27,320
Speaker 1: I had gone, And it probably makes me a coward

3926
03:38:27,400 --> 03:38:30,119
Speaker 1: that I didn't. It's not that I was afraid of dying.

3927
03:38:30,800 --> 03:38:33,720
Speaker 1: It's that I was afraid of dying in battle because

3928
03:38:33,760 --> 03:38:36,480
Speaker 1: I believe in Odin. Now it's hard not to believe

3929
03:38:36,520 --> 03:38:39,280
Speaker 1: in a god without venerating him. I don't want to

3930
03:38:39,320 --> 03:38:42,200
Speaker 1: go to Valhalla. I don't want to fight ever again,

3931
03:38:42,360 --> 03:38:44,880
Speaker 1: let alone every night. I don't want to serve with

3932
03:38:44,959 --> 03:38:46,680
Speaker 1: the iron and yard at the twilight of the gods

3933
03:38:46,760 --> 03:38:49,520
Speaker 1: sometime in the twenty fifth century. If I don't want

3934
03:38:49,560 --> 03:38:51,240
Speaker 1: to do that, then I don't want to die in

3935
03:38:51,320 --> 03:38:55,760
Speaker 1: battle Dwight, though I expect he's happy. I expect he

3936
03:38:55,840 --> 03:38:57,840
Speaker 1: dies every day with a smile on his lips and

3937
03:38:57,959 --> 03:39:01,360
Speaker 1: meat in his belly. He won't have to fight alongside

3938
03:39:01,360 --> 03:39:03,880
Speaker 1: the monsters of the human race either, because, as I

3939
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:08,640
Speaker 1: learned in Nashville, Nazis don't go to Valhalla. All right,

3940
03:39:10,760 --> 03:39:15,119
Speaker 1: that was awesome, Margaret, Thank you. Yeah, thanks Dan. I'll

3941
03:39:15,160 --> 03:39:20,160
Speaker 1: put a bunch of applause noise here because translating over

3942
03:39:20,959 --> 03:39:24,320
Speaker 1: yeah as an end and and uh an air horn

3943
03:39:24,800 --> 03:39:29,480
Speaker 1: stick an. I don't think the air horn is going

3944
03:39:29,520 --> 03:39:37,120
Speaker 1: to be that as Garrison air horn. Thank you, Thank

3945
03:39:37,200 --> 03:39:41,840
Speaker 1: you Garrison. Margaret, Um, how long ago did you write that?

3946
03:39:42,879 --> 03:39:48,680
Speaker 1: I wrote that I believe in seventeen maybe. Yeah, Well

3947
03:39:48,800 --> 03:39:56,440
Speaker 1: it's not gotten less relevant. Yeah, man, I uh, there's

3948
03:39:56,480 --> 03:39:59,160
Speaker 1: definitely some times where I've I've wished for a platoon

3949
03:39:59,240 --> 03:40:06,200
Speaker 1: of vikings uh to deal with some ship. Yeah. Uh,

3950
03:40:07,360 --> 03:40:09,880
Speaker 1: well this has been it could happen here and this

3951
03:40:10,000 --> 03:40:13,080
Speaker 1: has been spooky week. I hope you enjoyed this scary

3952
03:40:13,200 --> 03:40:15,840
Speaker 1: story that's also relevant to our theme. Of collapse, Margaret,

3953
03:40:16,480 --> 03:40:19,480
Speaker 1: you want to tell the people where they can find you. Yeah,

3954
03:40:19,560 --> 03:40:22,119
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3955
03:40:22,200 --> 03:40:25,280
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3956
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