1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the best podcast available training competition. Here are 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: your hosts, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble and Nick Sugar, and 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: we welcome you into the best podcast available in Barria. 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: We have made it through the entire training camp with 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: no rain, no weather. We're done, the hats coming off, 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: the facial hair is getting cleaned up. It is clean today. 7 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: This still might have a little work by Friday. According 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: to the Stubble alert on on the dome. No, I 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: can't see any can feel. It feels like sand paper. 10 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: It happens. Yeah, there's only two people that are feeling it, 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: you and your lady. I'm not Gribbles not would be 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: awkward otherwise. Uh, we wrapped up training camp today. Now. 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: On the like paper like on the schedule for the week, 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: it says they break camp tomorrow, but we go to 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Tampa tomorrow. So yeah, for us, we broke camp today. 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: We break camp by getting on the plane. And it 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: was a nice, relatively easy day. But it was not 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: reflective of the rest of this training camp. It was 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: very different from most of the other practices, maybe the 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: least active of the entire training camp. Yeah, it was 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 1: a game prep mode. It was like a Friday before 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: regular season game. Yeah, it was no pads, um guys 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: going through things. We did see the first team go 24 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: through a lot of walk through which would lead us 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: to think maybe the first team will actually play on 26 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: Friday night. Yeah, it felt a lot like what you 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: might see out of a regular season practice, just a 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: lot of this is the look they're gonna show us. 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: Everybody come up, make your identifications, your calls, your checks, whatever, 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: and execute to play. But it's obviously not full speed 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: because there's no pads on, and that's you know, that's 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: just part of the game. And I think it's a 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: good way to kind of wind up and wrap or 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: wind down and wrap up camp because it's been a 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: physical one and and it's about time that they took 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: just a step back in preparation for a game and 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: also in preparation for you know, the coming regular season, 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: which is not far away. Well. And I think the 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: key takeaway from Freddie's comments after practice was he he 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: admitted that the starters are gonna play some. But I 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: think the key takeaway was it's gonna be a player 42 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: by player determination. It's not going to be kind of 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: this universal. The ones are gonna play this X amount 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: of time, so we could still see what we've been seeing, 45 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: which is, at least on defense, you could see the 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: safeties and the linebackers. They've been playing one series. Defensive 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: line is done about two. The corners in last week's 48 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: game played about three or four. So it's all it's 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: gonna depend person by person on their health status and 50 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: the depth of their position. And I think that's gonna 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: be on both sides of the ball. With the only 52 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: exception I would probably make is the offensive line. They're 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: probably gonna be together as a unit for X amount 54 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: of time and then you go to the backups at 55 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: that point. But otherwise it's gonna be a grab bag. 56 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: Well that's going to do is create, um, some interesting 57 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: lineups at some point or another. We're gonna see, you know, 58 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: some starters with some backups. You know, this is where 59 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: upfront you might end up seeing a Drew Forbes with 60 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the ones or something like that, which we've seen a 61 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: lot in practice. Um, and different safety's playing with backup 62 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: defensive linemen or whatever it is. Whoever needs to get 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: more work in a game. Action I think will end 64 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: up taking those reps. And you know, I think it's 65 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: kind of an antiquated idea that you just put all 66 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: your ones out there and then you bring them off 67 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: the field, and you put the twos out there, and 68 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: you bring them off the field unless they've had a 69 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: lot of time together over the course of many seasons, 70 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: which typically doesn't happen because a third of the roster 71 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: has turned over on average every year in the NFL, 72 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: so bare minimum. Uh. So, you know, you just you 73 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: don't have that type of continuity in this game anymore. 74 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: So I've seen no reason why to be you know 75 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: why you gotta go out there and be like, yeah, 76 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: all the ones gotta play. And again we've said this before, 77 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham can stay in bubble wrap. He does not 78 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: need to play. You could probably throw Jarvis in there, 79 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: although we might see he's gotten more practice reps. Dell 80 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: has not saw a little bit Jarvis and a little 81 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: bit of Nick Chubb in uh the practice today, but 82 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: not the whole time. Friday. We are on the no 83 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb club for Friday. Yeah, O, good man, that's 84 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: it for the week? Are you in Brandon? There's nothing else. 85 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: There's nothing else for the week that I'm going to offer. 86 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: That's going to be better than that. Uh. So we're 87 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: done with training camp. We've got two practices next weekend. 88 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: We'll do our training camp awards next week as we 89 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: wrap up the b p A training camp addition. But 90 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: you get some stuff done today tomorrow, a little mock practice, 91 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: mock game, and then we travel to Tampa. Ultimately, what 92 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: do you want to see out of these out of 93 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: this game Friday night? I think consistent execution across the board, 94 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: both offensively, um, depending on how long Baker Mayfield plays. 95 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: You just want to see the offense do what it 96 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: did in Week one, not necessarily at that pace, but 97 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: be as efficient or nearly as efficient, which is a 98 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: tough ask. But also this is an a unit that 99 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: didn't play at all uh in Week two. So if 100 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: the most of those guys are playing, I would like 101 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: to see them move the ball against the defense that 102 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: was horrid against the past last year. UM. They've changed 103 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: in the off in the off season, obviously, but you know, 104 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: you still want to see them find some success. There's 105 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: a lot of youth in the Tampa Bay secondary that 106 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: I think they could probably take advantage of, and so 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: you want to see that. And then I think defensively, 108 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: you want to see, depending on who starts. I really 109 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: want to see the defensive line again play like it 110 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: did against Indianapolis, because if this is a team that 111 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: can replicate that type of performance up front with its 112 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: front four, it's front seven, but really it's front four, 113 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: a lot of teams are gonna have a really tough 114 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: time beating the Browns. And that's before the offense even 115 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: steps in the field. Yeah, I'd like to see kind 116 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: of a conclusion to the right guard competition, because it's 117 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: gotta it's got to be decided by this point. So 118 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: I think, well, we're expecting to see her cusher right guard, 119 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: see him play a solid game and just take that 120 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: thing home, which I think is what they're looking for 121 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: to happen. And then defensively, I guess the one thing 122 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: I want to see that we haven't seen from the ones, 123 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: they haven't had much of an opportunity. You so maybe 124 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: forces turnover. I mean, that'd be that would be nice. 125 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: You're playing Jamis Winston. He likes to throw picks. I mean, 126 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: just we've seen mack Wilson and Greedy. They got interceptions 127 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: in that first game, but you know that was a 128 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: hallmark of this defense last year, especially during the first 129 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: half of the season. You know, I think you can 130 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: come away feeling really good if your defense forces a 131 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: turnover against their ones. I think every chance they get, 132 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: even if it's third down, pull the offense off, let's 133 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: kick the field goal. Yeah, that We've got to see 134 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: something today the kicking battle. There were makes, there was 135 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: a miss from each one, and you're just kind of 136 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: no one. No one is jumping to the forefront here 137 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: to grab this position. And it is becoming a bigger 138 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 1: and bigger concern every day, and it's gotten late very quickly. 139 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be totally fine if we had a 140 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: game that finished fifteen to ten and and all the 141 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: Browns points for field goals simply because they needed to 142 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: test those guys more than they needed to score touchdowns. 143 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this is an issue that is there's nowhere 144 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: near resolution. We we went like we went up, and 145 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: then after last week's game and the misses on each side, 146 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: we've just steadily gone down and we there's no answer, 147 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: really insight, and it needs to be figured out because 148 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: the seasons around the corner. I'd be interesting to see 149 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: what if you will go with the strategy in this 150 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: game where you just use one of the kickers, just 151 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: see how they handle a full, full game. No one 152 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: like like he did with Garret Gilbert. Knowing that going 153 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: into this game you're playing the first half, Maybe do 154 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: that with the kickers, see how they respond, and then 155 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: do it with the other kicker in the fourth in 156 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: the last game, because even though the players around them 157 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: are gonna be pretty different, you're still kicking a field coal. Yeah, 158 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Now my question is do you 159 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: give the veteran first choice or do you give that 160 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: Dawston Cybert. I give it to who ever who they 161 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: think has been better. And I think Joseph has been 162 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: slightly better, but not by much, but not enough, not 163 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: enough where he should feel comfortable by any stretch that 164 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: he's won this competition. No, no, not at all. Uh 165 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: backup quarterback. We'll see a little bit of that obviously 166 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: on Friday night. I would expect that we probably won't 167 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: see Drew stay. No, no need, no need. You know 168 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: what you have there. Uh. Gary Gilbert gave a great 169 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: performance on Saturday. I would call it great. You did, 170 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: you did very very well for himself. What else does 171 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: he need? To do. What does he need to show 172 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: this football team that they're going to be willing to 173 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: keep three quarterbacks on this roster. Do it again. It's 174 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: that simple. I mean, maybe not post to passer rating 175 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: in the one twenties, but just do it again. Do 176 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: a lot of what you did, and well, you know, 177 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: find targets at all levels of the field, avoid pressure, 178 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: throw accurately under pressure, navigate the pocket, well, take command 179 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: of the offense. And I think it's it's pretty surprising. Um. 180 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: I think Ryan Linley had talked about it a few 181 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: weeks ago, how Garrett is pretty much at a mastery 182 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: level of this offense. More so I think, and I 183 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: don't know if you said this, but more so than 184 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: even Baker Mayfield DoD of experience and you need to 185 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: demonstrate that on the field. And other than that, you know, 186 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: give them every reason in the world to keep you 187 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: as your third. As their third quarterback, I think they 188 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: will carry three, and I think he will be on 189 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: the roster. But just do it again. Just make it 190 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: a note, not even a discussion, and and it right now, 191 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: I don't know if he needs to show anything else. Honestly, 192 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: I think, like I've seen a lot worse quarterbacks become 193 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: third quarterbacks in this team. So I don't know if 194 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: he don't know what I mean, I don't need I 195 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: don't I don't know if he needs to show much else. 196 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: I think he's been incredibly solid. Doesn't look like a 197 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: third quarterback when he's out there, the offense runs, he's 198 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: He's scored touchdowns in both of his games so far. 199 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm fine with all he's done. I think it's a rap. 200 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: Does do Ernest Johnson have enough film to warrant them 201 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: saying he's on this football team or does he need 202 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: to show something Friday night. I don't know if the 203 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: film is needed, but he's going to get another opportunity 204 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: to produce it. Yeah, he'll probably get an opportunity this 205 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: week and next week. Freddy kind of talked about that today. Um, 206 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: he's done a good job so far. And I also 207 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: think about it if you look at it from a 208 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: numbers perspective, I mean, right now, he's done enough for 209 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: him to be the third running back in this group 210 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: with Kareem Hunt headed to suspension, because then you've got 211 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: nick Of and you've got Dontrell hillhard and then there's 212 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: Deernest Johnson. I mean, he's played well enough to validate 213 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: that role. He could only strengthen that if he played 214 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: well again this week and the following league. I imagine 215 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: his competition right now for that spot is not on 216 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: this roster. I mean that's you're looking at other guys 217 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: on waiver claims and and things like that. But the 218 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: when when Freddy Kitchens brings up past protection as the 219 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: first thing that Deernest Johnson does well every time, that 220 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: makes me feel good about his standing on this team. 221 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: That's a big deal. You can earn a lot of 222 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: credit with the coaching staff if you're willing to put 223 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: your nose in there and and sacrifice your body to 224 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: protect your quarterback. Because everybody loves to run the ball, 225 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: everybody loves to catch passes. Nobody loves a block. Well, 226 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: most people don't love to block, and it's a it's 227 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: a it's a down and dirty type of thing. It's 228 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: not glamorous, but it's necessary. And those who are willing 229 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: to do it, they definitely earn some extra brownie points. 230 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: And I think his versatility as a returner helps him 231 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: on as well. The fact that he can just go 232 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: out and do it. I don't know if he's anything 233 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: spectacular on returns, but they need a body without Antonio 234 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: account you have an offensive can move with the football. 235 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: You don't have to be spectacular. You just have to 236 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: not fumble the ball, get moved forward. Gone of the 237 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: days when we were relying on Josh trips to produce 238 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: a touched entergy the game correct. On the defensive side 239 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: of the football, what are you looking for? Maybe who 240 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: needs to step up? Is there is there a spotlight 241 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: on somebody going into this game? Yeah? I mean maybe 242 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: I look at the battle for those last couple of 243 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: dB spots. I mean it's we're we're gonna We've gone 244 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: back and forth with is it gonna be six safeties 245 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: five corners? Can you somehow keep six safety six corners? 246 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: I don't know if that might The numbers just might 247 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: not work out that way. So that would put the 248 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: spotlight more on players like a like a Philip Gaines, 249 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Lenzie Pipkins, Uh, Donny Lewis. I mean, there there's a 250 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: lot of guys that maybe are in the mix there 251 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: for one of those last corner spots. I think gains 252 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: probably has the edge because you can play in the slot, 253 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: But I think Pipkins is someone who has hung around 254 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: here for a while and clearly has some talent that 255 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: this team likes, so that that it's it's more about 256 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: how they're gonna use these guys on special teams and 257 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: their versatility. So maybe it's one of those kind of spots. 258 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Is are you going to keep a Lenzy Pipkins which 259 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: gives you six and then maybe say goodbye to one 260 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: of those safeties. I mean, there's it's it's it's maybe 261 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: a Pipkins versus a Justin Burris who's hurt right now. 262 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: So it's those are kind of the little things on defense. 263 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: Outside of that, I have a hard time finding roster 264 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: battles spots. I think Daniel a Quality has done enough 265 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: to really solidify his his place in this roster. Travon 266 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: Cole has played very well as well, but then you 267 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: think about the numbers game again. Devorah Lawrence has also 268 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: had a very good camp. He missed a couple of 269 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: days with that knee issue. He's been back on the field. 270 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: He looks just as good as he did before. So 271 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: it might come down to one of those three I 272 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: just mentioned might lose a spot. So yeah, I guess 273 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a competition yet to be 274 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: determined depending on how many people they want to keep 275 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: at that position. That's what happened today a training camp, 276 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: and that's also a quick little preview for Friday night 277 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: as the Browns take on the Buccaneers and the quote 278 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: dress rehearsal game. Jason Gibbs, Nick Shook, Andrew Grippa with you. 279 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: This is the best podcast available. Time now for our 280 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: interview of the day, I had a few minutes and 281 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: a few good minutes with the run game coordinator and 282 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: the running backs coach of your Cleveland Browns, Stump Mitchell. 283 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: Have a listen coach. Training camp officially over. It's kind 284 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: of like the last day of summer school before we 285 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: actually get into the heart of the matter and the 286 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: season itself. Your thoughts on how training camp is gone 287 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: for your room. I think it's going pretty good. Each 288 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,359 Speaker 1: and every one of those guys came in UH individually 289 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: knowing what they needed to work on and improve on, 290 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: and collectively we knew what we had to do as 291 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: a group. I think Nick Chubs has UH improved tremendously 292 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: on his route running and his ability to catch the ball. 293 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: UH There's no question he's a He's a tough runner. 294 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: He proved that last year. Uh Kareem Hunt. UH didn't 295 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: know much about him, but just to see the way 296 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: he shabal was phenomenal. I I didn't know he had 297 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: that type of hands and also route running ability. So 298 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: it's just going to be a matter of when he 299 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: gets back to us after the last preseason game. Dantrelle 300 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Hilliot has suffered some minor injuries. You know, he has 301 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: something doing the spring and he has something doing this camp. 302 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: He understands that he's got to stay on the football field. 303 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: The best availability of ability is availability, and unfortunately for him, 304 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: he's been UH he's been injured a little bit. He's 305 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: in a tough competition with uh Dearnest Johnson. I think 306 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: the Earnest showed people thus for that he's capable of 307 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: being the first, second, third down back. UH good past protection, 308 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: good route runner, good hands. Just has had a fantastic 309 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: camp and hopefully the last couple of preseason games he'll 310 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: be given the opportunity to show he can do that 311 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: as well. Tryon Gray uh we got as a free 312 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: agent out of the University of Miami. UH looks more 313 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: like a practice squad guy at this particular important time, 314 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: just because he haven't had the opportunity to play that 315 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: much running back in college. He was at a a high 316 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: school quarterback, So he's he's got great skill set, got 317 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: great size, Uh, pretty good hands and speed and you 318 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: can't you can't teach that. Two guys his size. I 319 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: really like a j or that out of Ohio young guy, 320 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: smaller back. But we'll try to fight you, but just 321 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: can do it all. You know, he can catch, he 322 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: can run. Uh, he's got great vision. The group as 323 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: a whole was a pretty good group. What's talking at 324 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: Chubb real quick year one to year two? What's the 325 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: biggest challenge I guess for a guy who had a 326 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: very good rookie year to make that jump in in 327 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: year two and keep consistent. Well, it's it's not something 328 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: that Nick has to do because his mindset is nothing 329 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: but work. Uh. He's great feat. We just got to 330 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: be successful as a offensive unit. And if that's the case, 331 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Nick led the league in Russian. Uh. 332 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: The offensive line is gonna be crucial to everything we do. 333 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: And Baker being uh the leader that he is, and 334 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: being able to control the offense. I think he's gonna 335 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: uh suit every skilled guy will Dearist Johnson and Dontrelle Halliard. 336 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: You watch them play and you look at their body 337 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: types and you say, well, they're kind of similar. Maybe 338 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: they're not. What are the differences between those two I 339 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: would say, Uh, Um, mindset. I would say that's probably 340 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: the only thing that's that separates those guys, because both 341 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: of them are very talented. But it's a mindset and uh, 342 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say which one is the toughest. They 343 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: got to figure it out. We gotta figure it out, 344 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: and uh we're gonna have to make the right, right 345 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: decision and hopefully, uh they'll make it. Force. You mentioned 346 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt and his hands. How's he been since joining 347 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: the team here in the off season and now through 348 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: training camp? And unfortunately he's not going to be with 349 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: us for the first eight weeks of the season. But 350 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: what do you what's your advice to him while he's 351 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: out for those eight weeks. Well, he understands the talent 352 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: and the skill set that that's in that room. Uh, 353 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: he understands the talent in the skill set around this Uh, 354 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: entire team and what we want to do as a 355 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: as a team. Uh, he know he can be a 356 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: part of that. He also should feel like, uh, Kansas 357 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: City could have gone further had he been there, so 358 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: he should be itching for the opportunity to get back. 359 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go out and prepare, and when 360 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: he gets back, I think he'll be ready to rock 361 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: and roll. You've had some head coaching experience, You've also 362 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: been an assistant coach for for a decent number of years. 363 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: What have you seen from Freddie Kitchens in his first 364 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: training campus head coach? I think Freddy is outstanding. Uh. 365 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: You know, Freddy has a lot of the similarities of 366 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: other head coaches I've been around, But I think what's 367 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: gonna make him maybe a little more successful than uh 368 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: some of those coaches are the differences in him, you know. 369 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: And I think I think he's done just one heck 370 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: of a job. And uh, we understand that there's nothing 371 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: to this height. We gotta go out and we gotta perform, 372 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: and he lets the guys know that, but uh, we 373 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: have the talent to do it. Talent is not an issue. 374 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: We understand that, and the players have to understand it 375 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: and He treats them like growing in and I think 376 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: there's something to be said for that, just being up 377 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: front and being honest. And I feel like that's the 378 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: theme for not just him, but the entire coaching stay, 379 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: if you included. Yeah. Absolutely, We let these guys know. 380 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: We got ninety two guys in here and ninety guys 381 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: in here, and we gotta let half almost half of 382 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: them go. You know. Uh, that's just the way it is. 383 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: But we asked them every day to come out and 384 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: give us your best effort. Uh, put something on video 385 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: against these teams we practicing against, Against these teams that 386 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: we're playing against. Make them want you as much as 387 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: you want to be a Brown. Make those other teams 388 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: want you as well. How special can of offense be? 389 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: It can be unbelievable, It can. I don't think you 390 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: can put numbers as to what it can do. But 391 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: it's all gonna revolve around the offensive lineman. I mean, 392 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: those guys they got to create the running lanes or 393 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: they gotta create create the protection for the quarterbacks. And 394 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: then I think, uh, we'll have some outstanding We got 395 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: outstanding receivers, tight ends and also running backs. So it's 396 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: gonna revolve around the offensive line. All right, coach, appreciate 397 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: the time and best wishes this year. Thank you. I 398 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Appreciate coaches time. Well done by him breaking 399 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: down every running back in the room. One of the 400 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: biggest takeaways how surprised he was with Kareem Hunts hands 401 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: and his ability to catch the catch the football out 402 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: of the backfield. Really really was impressed with that and 403 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: couldn't say enough about it that maybe Stump doesn't play 404 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: fantasy football because I've been I've had my eye that 405 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I mean, he's he's he's 406 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: been solid, but I think and they were using him 407 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: more in Kansas City last year as receiving back than 408 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: the previous year, So I think he's just kind of 409 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: naturally evolved in that point. But I've always thought just 410 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: because I remember that first I think his first game 411 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: in the pros was against the Patriots. I remember he 412 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: had his first ever fumble in that game. He hadn't 413 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: had one since high school. But then he had like 414 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: a hundred yards receiving in that game to go along 415 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: with a big rushing day. So he maybe he's a 416 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: little bit more hit or miss, But he looks so 417 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: natural coming out of backfield that way. Yeah, he was 418 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: a big reason why Kansas City's offense was so you know, 419 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: lethal last year. I mean they the reason was they 420 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: had a great quarterback in Mahomes, but they also had 421 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: a ton of different guys Throat throw the football to, 422 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: you know, I mean Kareem you could throw to him 423 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: out of the backfield, and that's if you weren't already 424 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: accounting for his threat as a rusher. And you know, 425 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: you go down the list of everybody else that they had. 426 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: And I will say that even in shorts and jerseys 427 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: like today, it is so much fun to watch him 428 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: just with the ball in his hands and in these practices, 429 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, even when they're not going full go, whether 430 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: he's carrying the ball, he just is so fluid and 431 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: natural as a runner, and he's got great vision and 432 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: he just hits the hole and cuts right through the defense. 433 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's hot knife through butter. It's like that. 434 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: And then catching the ball is just natural and it's 435 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: just it really is just a treat to watch. Very 436 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: impressive young man. And that has been a nice group 437 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: and he's done a nice job with that and Freddie 438 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: Kitchens with some glowing comments in his press conference today 439 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: that you know, as great a coach as he is, 440 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: he's one of my great friends. And here again another 441 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: guy on the coaching staff that's been coaching as long 442 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: as I think all three of us have been alive 443 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: and doing it at a high level in addition to 444 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: being a player and a successful player in the in 445 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: the league. Um. But the expertise he brings to the 446 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: table with this offense. And you know, I asked him, 447 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: I said, what's the key to the running back room? 448 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: And he said, no, the key to the offense is 449 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: our offensive line. Yeah, And you know that's the that's 450 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: the basics of football, it really is. People don't like 451 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: to acknowledge it because it's not glamorous. It's not this 452 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: star receiver, this star cornerback, the quarnerback receiver matchup, whatever 453 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: it might be. But if you can't protect your pastor 454 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: and you can't open running lanes for those guys, it 455 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you have back there because you're not 456 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: gonna go anywhere. And if you can't stop the run, 457 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: and if you can't pressure the quarterback, you're not gonna 458 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: do anything defensively. It all starts on the offensive defensive lines. Well, 459 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: if if this is a team that has both Dontrell 460 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: Hilliard and Dennis Johnson and its opening roster, that's a 461 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: testament to the faith and the coaching and the development 462 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: of those guys because the both of those players. Mean, 463 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: Dontrell was a solid member of this team at the 464 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: end of last year, But I wasn't doing the things 465 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: we've seen him do so far in training camp and 466 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: during astouns and as Nick wrote earlier today, was on 467 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: a sea on a fish boat at this time last year. 468 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: So I mean, like, this is a guy that's come 469 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: a long way, uh in just a year. Yeah, a 470 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: pretty impressive story. Yeah, he was out trolling for Mahi Mahi, 471 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: which we had some of that when we were Indianapolis 472 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: for UM and you know that that was his job. 473 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: That's what he could do because he didn't have an 474 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: NFL job, he didn't have a pro football job. Into 475 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: the Alliance of American Football came around and then he's 476 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: written that's where he is now. So really good story 477 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: and we'll see if he makes it. Final thoughts here, Uh, 478 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: One big takeaway from the two thousand nineteen Brown's training 479 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: camp now officially in the rear view mirror, no more 480 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: being here at ungodly early hours. However, that did save 481 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: us because there would have been a number of practices. 482 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: I think it reigned out to the public, uh if 483 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: the practices were in the afternoon. But your your takeaways 484 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: from this year's training camp. It felt like the longest 485 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: training camp ever, and I think that was by design. 486 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: And I think that that was felt by the players too, 487 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: and that was also by design. I think that they 488 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: the the way you talk to players, they they were 489 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: exhausted by the end of this camp, and I think 490 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: it showed during spurts of camp, but they seem to 491 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: always rally back from it. And I think that this 492 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: was if if Freddy Kitchens wanted to put his stamp 493 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: on a training camp, he definitely did that. I mean, 494 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: this was different. And he had a quote today that said, 495 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, we have to raise our norm you know, 496 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: like this, this can't be seen as the exception. This 497 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: is what is now normal. And I think that he 498 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: he definitely proved his point and that's what we should 499 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: now expect for years to come. Yeah, that's one of 500 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: the first steps in changing the culture or adjusting the 501 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: culture for a franchise that has not used to winning 502 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: in a long time and wants to be a perennial contender, 503 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: as you raise the bar starting with your camp and 504 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: your expectations there. And I think he's done that. And 505 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: I also think through that he has demonstrated that although 506 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: he is a first time head coach, he is more 507 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: than prepared for this job. I think he's handled it 508 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: extremely well. He's navigated all the maybe the little drama 509 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: that comes through, you know, different stories that have been produced, 510 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: or whatever else might have happened. You know that the 511 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: stuff related to the Duke Johnson trade, all that stuff. 512 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: He has handled that as a total pro. And I'm 513 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: extremely excited to see how he, you know, approaches this 514 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: regular reason and coaches this team, because I think he's 515 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: gonna surprise a lot of people. There are four days 516 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: left of workouts or practices as Freddie would say, and 517 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: there's two games left. There's six days left for these 518 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: ninety guys basically to be together, and this roster is 519 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: going to get cut in half. So we shall see 520 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: what happens. The pressure is on and let's see who 521 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: steps up here over these next six to seven days. Yeah, 522 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: it's crunchtein should be interesting. Indeed. Yeah, we're we're at 523 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: a point though. We're that fourth preseason game. I mean, 524 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: we've had a lot of guys playing in that game 525 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: that end up making the team. I don't know, I 526 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: don't coach the offense last year. Yeah, I mean, a 527 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: good job, a little idea of what was the coming. Yeah, 528 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean, but remember that game last year. Mean that 529 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: was he had Baker quarterback. Obviously that panned out. Uh, 530 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb running in that game, but then you also 531 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: have like I think Nate Nate Orchard with a defensive 532 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: touchdown could use to some big plays, Matthew Days with 533 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: a big run. I mean, it's just crazy how much 534 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: the roster can change from one week to the next. 535 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: But that's what's about to happen. Yeah, it will be 536 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: interesting to see how this all plays out. You can 537 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: get this podcast or any of our podcasts at Cleveland 538 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: Browns dot com or wherever you do get your podcasts. 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