WEBVTT - Samuel Plimsoll, the ‘Sailors’ Friend’

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Crazy v Wilson. I mentioned this in

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<v Speaker 1>our Sneakers episode, so it's not going to be any

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<v Speaker 1>surprise that we're doing this. We also came up in

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<v Speaker 1>another one that it was definitely going to happen today

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<v Speaker 1>is Samuel Plimsoll Day at Last. And when I looked

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<v Speaker 1>up Samuel Plimsol while I was working on a Sneaker

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<v Speaker 1>episode because it referenced a part of his life's work

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<v Speaker 1>that we will talk about today, I found out that

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed to be a pretty great guy. He was

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<v Speaker 1>an advocate for better working conditions for sailors and an

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<v Speaker 1>advocate for better conditions for a lot of things. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of write ups and newspaper mentions about him from

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<v Speaker 1>his own time call him an agitator because of this,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was not shy about telling people they were

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<v Speaker 1>really doing it wrong when it came to taking care

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<v Speaker 1>of others. So it's just a perfect topic for Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you missed in History Class. Listen. Uh, There's always a

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<v Speaker 1>possibility when you're working on one of these that the

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<v Speaker 1>person that you're talking about had some sort of secret

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<v Speaker 1>ugliness in the dark corners of his life. But if

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<v Speaker 1>he did, I sure did not find it, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge relief because often secret racism and I did

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<v Speaker 1>not encounter any such stories about Samuel Plimsoll. It so

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<v Speaker 1>often shows up so late in the process, yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, now I have to take a totally

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<v Speaker 1>different direction with this episode, yeah, or we have to

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<v Speaker 1>have this big caveat about Yeah. Seemed like seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>it was great, honestly wanted to make the world a

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<v Speaker 1>better place, and then it took a turnt so. Samuel

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<v Speaker 1>plimsl was born on February tenth, eighteen twenty four, in Bristol, England,

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<v Speaker 1>which is in the southwest part of the country, about

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred miles west of London. The River Avon runs

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<v Speaker 1>through the center of Bristol and out the nearby Bristol

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<v Speaker 1>Channel that connects to the Atlantic Ocean. His father, Thomas Plemsil,

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<v Speaker 1>was an excise man, and his mother was Priscilla Willing Clemson,

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<v Speaker 1>and her father had been a shipwright. The family was large.

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel had twelve siblings, although several of them died in childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>He was Thomas and Priscilla's seventh child and was described

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<v Speaker 1>in one writing about him as quote an old head

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<v Speaker 1>on young shoulders. When Samuel was three, the family moved

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<v Speaker 1>to the town of Penrith in Cumberland. They moved again

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<v Speaker 1>when he was fourteen, to Sheffield. Samuel's activist proclivities evidenced

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<v Speaker 1>themselves very early on in his life. When he was

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<v Speaker 1>a young teenager, he wrote a pamphlet for social reform

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<v Speaker 1>while still in school, titled A Plan to have Fatherless

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<v Speaker 1>and motherless children cared for instead of being consigned to

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<v Speaker 1>the workhouse. Uh. Basically, he didn't want kids to have

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<v Speaker 1>to go through dredgery just because they had already had

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<v Speaker 1>a family tragedy. And this little pamphlet might have been

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<v Speaker 1>inspired in part by the serialization of Oliver Twist, which

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<v Speaker 1>was published monthly in the magazine Bentley's Miscellini starting in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirty seven. There's been a lot of speculation that

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<v Speaker 1>he read that and was very moved to try to

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<v Speaker 1>make an effort to create better conditions for orphans. When

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas died, the family fell into poverty, and that of

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<v Speaker 1>course had a significant impact on Samuel, who was sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of his father's death. Although he was

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<v Speaker 1>still just a kid, he was the oldest son at

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<v Speaker 1>home and that meant he was responsible for the family's

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<v Speaker 1>welfare and he had to take care of his mother

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<v Speaker 1>and his five younger siblings. Initially, he was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hustling to make ends meet by managing a widow's pension

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<v Speaker 1>that his mother received, and that included saving a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit on the side so that he could buy hair

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<v Speaker 1>pelts and send them to his older brother in London

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<v Speaker 1>to resell for a profit. Then Samuel left school to

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<v Speaker 1>start working as a lawyer's clerk. He moved on to

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<v Speaker 1>a clerking position at the Pond Street Brewery a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years later. He also wrote speeches for Thomas Burks,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a partner in the brewery and also the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor of Sheffield. But although he was not attending regular school,

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<v Speaker 1>he knew he had to get a complete education, and

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<v Speaker 1>he started going to night classes at the People's College

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<v Speaker 1>of Sheffield after it opened in eighteen forty two. What

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<v Speaker 1>would a mid nineteenth century English episode be without the

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<v Speaker 1>inclusion of the London Great Exposition of eighteen fifty one.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's a recurrent character on Stuffian Bison

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<v Speaker 1>history class, and that's fine by me. Plimsol worked to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that Sheffield was well represented there at that expo.

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<v Speaker 1>He also got to show off several of his own

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<v Speaker 1>inventions there. Biographer Nicolette Jones, writing in two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>put Samuel Plimsel's inventive tendencies this way quote. Samuel specialized

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<v Speaker 1>in simple logical solutions that someone else should have thought

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<v Speaker 1>of before. One that was on display at the expo

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<v Speaker 1>was an umbrella that had no handle. It was designed

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<v Speaker 1>to attach to a walking stick that somehow reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of the tents that are made by things that connect

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<v Speaker 1>to people's hiking poles. Yeah, just cutting down on the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of stuff that you got to carry around. That

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be a lot of his inventions were very like,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we just simplify this a little bit? Yeah. Great.

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<v Speaker 1>On December twentieth, eighteen fifty one, the warren Vale Colliery

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<v Speaker 1>at Swinton, Yorkshire had an explosion that was at six

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<v Speaker 1>point fifty five am. Fifty one people died, and roughly

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<v Speaker 1>half of them were teenagers really on the younger side

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<v Speaker 1>of their teen years. While an investment stigation looked into

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<v Speaker 1>the cause of this blast, plem Cell saw a more

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<v Speaker 1>immediate need, which was help for the survivors and the

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<v Speaker 1>families who were dealing with this loss. Just as the

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<v Speaker 1>pamphlet he wrote as a teenager had shown, he thought

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<v Speaker 1>there were better ways to help orphaned children than to

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<v Speaker 1>put them in a workhouse, and he started a fund

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure that these children and widows who were left

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<v Speaker 1>behind would have their needs met as they grieved and

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<v Speaker 1>as they tried to rebuild their lives. Over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the next decade, Plimsel carefully built up his finances,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also used his energies to help people in

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<v Speaker 1>his community. In fact, he later said quote I was

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<v Speaker 1>desirous of wealth as a condition of devoting myself to

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<v Speaker 1>public service. Through the connections that he made through working

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<v Speaker 1>with Thomas Burks, he was able to become a coal merchant,

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<v Speaker 1>working with railway companies to secure transport deals, and he

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<v Speaker 1>moved to London in eighteen fifty three to support this

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<v Speaker 1>new career. This was a departure from the way that

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<v Speaker 1>coal had been transported for centuries, which was of course

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<v Speaker 1>largely by sea and then sometimes by horse cart. He

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<v Speaker 1>left his job at the brewery and he invested in

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Northern Railway as part of this business move,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was a bad idea. He trusted the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>people and this investment led to bankruptcy because he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got cheated out of that investment, but he did

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<v Speaker 1>still believe in the idea of rail transport for coal.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of his financial problems, he had to live in

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<v Speaker 1>a charity house in London. He'd later described feeling ashamed

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<v Speaker 1>of being in such a position, but that the months

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<v Speaker 1>that he lived alongside the city's poorest residence gave him

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<v Speaker 1>a valuable education about compassion and care. He wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>the way people with very little formed community and took

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<v Speaker 1>care of one another with shared resources and with kindness.

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<v Speaker 1>This experience gave him an even deeper resolve to help

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<v Speaker 1>people who were in need, and that became the guiding

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<v Speaker 1>principle of his life. He started working as a coal

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<v Speaker 1>merchant again, building up a clientele by asking satisfied customers

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<v Speaker 1>to tell their friends about him. As he built up

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<v Speaker 1>his financial reserves, he also purchased some property along the

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<v Speaker 1>planned route of a new underground railway. He knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the railway company would have to purchase these properties. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though it seemed like a safe bet, this was still

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<v Speaker 1>risky because he had to borrow money for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these purchases. But this time the investment paid off

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<v Speaker 1>and plumsall made a lot of money. He also patented

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<v Speaker 1>an invention for the coal industry as he was getting

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<v Speaker 1>back on his feet financially. It was a coal drop

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<v Speaker 1>that enabled workers to empty out wagons without damaging the coal.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to this, a lot of this would end up broken,

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<v Speaker 1>and that meant losses for the company, and it also

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<v Speaker 1>meant more work for the laborers. Plimshall's invention improved his

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<v Speaker 1>own coal business, it helped him continue to grow his fortune,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also became fairly standard in the industry. Coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about Samuel Primzel's one arrest, but first we

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<v Speaker 1>will pause for a sponsor break. Samuel Plimsel very clearly

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<v Speaker 1>had a well developed sense of right and wrong from

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<v Speaker 1>a young age, but that did cause problems on occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen fifty six, when Plimsoll was thirty two, he

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<v Speaker 1>got into a bit of legal trouble when he was

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<v Speaker 1>arrested for assault. This had occurred late in the evening

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<v Speaker 1>on Waterloo Bridge where Samuel and a friend were crossing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something that they had to pay a toll

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<v Speaker 1>of a halfpenny to cross. Plimsell's friend had paid a penny,

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<v Speaker 1>covering them both, but while the friend walked through the turnstile,

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<v Speaker 1>Plimsol walked around it and proceeded on the carriageway instead

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<v Speaker 1>of the footpath. It was kind of like they were

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<v Speaker 1>walking side by side, and he didn't want to stop

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<v Speaker 1>their conversation and to get in single file line. He

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<v Speaker 1>just kept going, Uh. It's a little bit unclear because

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like because it was late and the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>was quiet, he just wanted to, like I said, maintain

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<v Speaker 1>his side by side walking with his friend rather than

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<v Speaker 1>having to shift their arrangement. But the tollkeeper did not

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy this. He yelled at Plimsol and said he had

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<v Speaker 1>to come back and walk through the turnstile. Plimsole refused

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, insisting that the toll had been paid

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<v Speaker 1>he was entitled to cross that bridge. However, he pleased.

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<v Speaker 1>It is unclear what the nature of the assault was.

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<v Speaker 1>As this conflict escalated, but after he was released on bail,

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Primsol returned to the bridge, paid a halfpenny and

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<v Speaker 1>asked the tollkeeper to show him the legal documentation that

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<v Speaker 1>said that he could not cross the bridge on the carriageway.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew that no such law could be produced, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was kind of just his way to

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<v Speaker 1>make his point and be a little bit spiteful. Three

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<v Speaker 1>days later, though, Plimsol was before a judge arguing that

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<v Speaker 1>he had paid for access to the bridge and that

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<v Speaker 1>the tollkeeper had been insolent. This case did not go

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<v Speaker 1>Plimsol's way. He was fined three pounds. But I really

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<v Speaker 1>like that story. I like it too. It's so funny

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<v Speaker 1>to be like the tollkeeper's insolence was not a legal matter. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a jerk. So I wasn't going to go back.

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<v Speaker 1>I paid my thing. I didn't do anything wrong. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no law. There's not even a sign that says I

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<v Speaker 1>have to do it this way. Yeah, why do I

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay three pounds? A horrible tragedy played out

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<v Speaker 1>in Womwell, South Yorkshire, on February nineteenth, eighteen fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>A colliery that sat between Womwell and the nearby village

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<v Speaker 1>of els Gar had a catastrophic explosion. There were two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty people in the mine when this explosion happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and one hundred and eighty nine of them were killed,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as all of the horses. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>workers who died were experienced miners in their fifties, but

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<v Speaker 1>some of them were children as young as ten years old.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Northern Mind Research Society, ninety women were

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<v Speaker 1>widowed that day and two hundred and twenty children were orphaned.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, Plimsoll led the relief effort and raised more

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<v Speaker 1>than ten thousand pounds to help the families and to

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<v Speaker 1>keep people out of workhouses. In addition to raising money,

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<v Speaker 1>he also did his own analysis of the conditions in

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<v Speaker 1>the minds and made recommendations regarding a number of early

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<v Speaker 1>warning safety measures that could be adopted. It's not clear

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<v Speaker 1>if any of these were ever used. Yeah, his fundraising

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<v Speaker 1>got really really famous. Like there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>very famous people that are noted as having donated to

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<v Speaker 1>this fund, in particular, including Queen Victoria. Later in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven, Plimsoll married Eliza Ann Rilton on October first,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was a match that appeared to be very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Both emotionally they were very close in a great match

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<v Speaker 1>for each other, but also situationally because Eliza was Samuel's

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<v Speaker 1>best friend, his partner in his decisions, and a tireless

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<v Speaker 1>supporter of his work, and because her stepfather was a

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<v Speaker 1>partner in a coal mining company, he made a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of good business connections. With this marriage, Eliza and Samuel

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<v Speaker 1>wanted children, but they had difficulty. After seven years of marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>they finally had a baby girl, but she died soon

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<v Speaker 1>after she was born. Later, they adopted Samuel's great niece,

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<v Speaker 1>Nelly after her father died, and by all accounts they

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<v Speaker 1>doated on her. In eighteen sixty four, Plymsel had an

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<v Speaker 1>experience while he was a passenger on a steamer that

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<v Speaker 1>really shifted the trajectory of his life and gave him

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<v Speaker 1>a passion for labor activism. He was on this steamer

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<v Speaker 1>overnight in an intense storm. The next day, as they

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<v Speaker 1>traveled north along the coast of Yorkshire from Flameborough Head

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<v Speaker 1>to the River Tees, saw four shipwrecks. He noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>while these ships had been lost in the storm the

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<v Speaker 1>night before, a lot of them looked old and rited out,

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<v Speaker 1>and he realized that a lot of people lost their

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<v Speaker 1>lives simply because they had been sent out on poorly

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<v Speaker 1>maintained vessels. When he arrived home late at the dock,

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<v Speaker 1>his wife was there and obviously very worried, and she

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<v Speaker 1>greeted him tearfully and was just grateful that he had

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<v Speaker 1>made it home. He later recounted that moment in a speech, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I mingled my tears with hers because I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of those other women who had also spent a sleepless

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<v Speaker 1>night and who would never see their husbands again. I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking of good and brave men who would never

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<v Speaker 1>return home. And I resolved, deep down in my heart

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<v Speaker 1>to devote myself to this work. What was the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between me and these poor drowned sailors. He also stated

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<v Speaker 1>that since that moment quote, my wife and I have

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<v Speaker 1>regarded everything we put us as held in trust for

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<v Speaker 1>the sailor. If it is necessary, we will spend it

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<v Speaker 1>for them as freely as our sailors would shed their

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<v Speaker 1>blood for their country if we got into trouble. Witnessing

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<v Speaker 1>so much needless devastation really got Samuel Plumsel fired up,

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<v Speaker 1>and he started his own investigation into maritime business. He

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<v Speaker 1>met with a lot of shipowners, and while there were

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<v Speaker 1>definitely many of them who were conscientious and were happy

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<v Speaker 1>to meet and speak with him about their work, there

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<v Speaker 1>were also a lot of them who were really shady,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were happy to cut corners in every single

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<v Speaker 1>way if it meant that they could make more money.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually benefited these unscrupulous operators to let their ships

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<v Speaker 1>go without maintenance and to overload their cargo holds to

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<v Speaker 1>a dangerous degree. They would take out insurance policies on

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<v Speaker 1>their ships, run them really hard without spending any money

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<v Speaker 1>on upkeep, and then collect their insurance payouts when the

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<v Speaker 1>ships inevitably fell apart. Rationally, most merchant ships only carried

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<v Speaker 1>two life boys on board two because they were expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>and some captains apparently said that having more of them

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<v Speaker 1>would make their ships look weak. Now, it was not

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<v Speaker 1>like Samuel Plemsoll was the first person ever to discover

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<v Speaker 1>this problem. Just the poorer conditions of the ships and

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<v Speaker 1>the overweight loads should have gained condemnation, But that you

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<v Speaker 1>add in the insurance scam aspect of all of it

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it seem unconscionable. People should have seen this previously,

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<v Speaker 1>and people did know all about it, But there was

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<v Speaker 1>a tricky aspect to talking about and calling out these problems.

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<v Speaker 1>The book Good Men and True Biographies of Workers in

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<v Speaker 1>the Fields of Beneficence and Benevolence, written by Alexander H.

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<v Speaker 1>Japp in eighteen ninety, explains the legal issue that held

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<v Speaker 1>people back with this quote. The tricks of the trade

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<v Speaker 1>of ship owning were very well known before mister plemsol

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<v Speaker 1>and merged prominently into public view. The Lifeboat Journal had

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<v Speaker 1>frequently dwelt on them and exposed them, and even the

0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.679
<v Speaker 1>reports of the Board of Trade had acknowledged the existence

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<v Speaker 1>of the evil. Newspapers of a more independent turn had

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<v Speaker 1>often made their readers shudder by suggestions of horrors that

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<v Speaker 1>could not be detailed. But the law of libel, though

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<v Speaker 1>very loose in some respects, is very tight in others.

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<v Speaker 1>And general statements somehow made no more impression on the

0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.320
<v Speaker 1>public mind than the blow of a baby's hand on

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<v Speaker 1>a feather pillow. It seems to yield easily to the impact,

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<v Speaker 1>but no lasting impression is produced. General statements alone were safe,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you are to do any good in a

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<v Speaker 1>case where vested interests are so directly involved, you must

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<v Speaker 1>come to very close quarters. Indeed, so unless papers and

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<v Speaker 1>reports named names and gave specific details, nothing was really

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<v Speaker 1>going to have enough impact. But because of libel laws,

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<v Speaker 1>if a newspaper or magazine actually did that, it would

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<v Speaker 1>almost certainly be put out of business. Plimsoll, armed with

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<v Speaker 1>the information that he had gathered, dedicated his life to

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<v Speaker 1>making a change, and that meant running for a seat

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<v Speaker 1>in Parliament. In eighteen sixty five, he ran to be

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<v Speaker 1>the representative of the constituency of Darby, but he did

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<v Speaker 1>not win. He didn't give up though. He ran again

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty seven, and that time he won and

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<v Speaker 1>became a member of the House of Commons in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight at the age of forty four. His early

0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.760
<v Speaker 1>efforts in the Chamber were in defense of trade unions,

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<v Speaker 1>although his speech skills were considered quite poor at that

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<v Speaker 1>point and he didn't have a huge impact with them.

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<v Speaker 1>He started really advocating for a legislation that would benefit

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<v Speaker 1>sailors in eighteen seventy. One of his proposals was marking

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<v Speaker 1>the side of a ship to denote the maximum load level.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't a new idea, but it had never been

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<v Speaker 1>really pushed very hard. And Plimzel decided he would do it.

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<v Speaker 1>He put forth a bill for a safe load line

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<v Speaker 1>and regular ship inspections in eighteen seventy one, but it failed.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen seventy three, Plimsol published a scathing criticism of

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<v Speaker 1>the state of the maritime business, noting that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sailors were working on ships that were barely seaworthy

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<v Speaker 1>and precariously dangerous. Plmzell pointed out in this writing that

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<v Speaker 1>often these ships had huge insurance policies, so the owners

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<v Speaker 1>knew that if they fell apart at seat, they would

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<v Speaker 1>be well compensated, but they didn't have any financial protections

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<v Speaker 1>in place for the sailors or their families. He referred

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<v Speaker 1>to these boats as coffin ships. That book, which has

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<v Speaker 1>the somewhat less than ideal title of Our Seamen An Appeal,

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<v Speaker 1>opens with quote, everybody knows that there is a great

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<v Speaker 1>loss of life on our coasts annually, and nearly everybody

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<v Speaker 1>deplores it. I am sure that if the English public

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<v Speaker 1>equally knew how much of this loss is preventable and

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<v Speaker 1>the means of preventing it, no long time would elapse

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<v Speaker 1>before means would be taken to secure this end, it

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<v Speaker 1>is with the view of giving this information so as

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<v Speaker 1>to enable each person who reads these pages to pronounce

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<v Speaker 1>with decision upon this question, that this pamphlet is submitted

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<v Speaker 1>to the public. He goes on later to state, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>A great number of ships are regularly sent to see

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<v Speaker 1>in such rotten and otherwise ill provided state that they

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<v Speaker 1>can only reach their destination through fine weather, and a

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<v Speaker 1>large number are so overloaded that it is nearly impossible

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<v Speaker 1>for them to also reach their destination if the voyage

0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:47.520
<v Speaker 1>is at all rough. This whole writing is supported by receipts.

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<v Speaker 1>Clemsel reprints government reports in his book, calling attention to

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<v Speaker 1>details that make it clear that these problems were known

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<v Speaker 1>early on. He wrote, quote, the next statement is made

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<v Speaker 1>by no less than a third already than the government itself,

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<v Speaker 1>for the page you see before you, as part of

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<v Speaker 1>the annual report of the Board of Trade. And I

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<v Speaker 1>beg your attention to the words which I have underlined,

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<v Speaker 1>the section with the underlined text and the report read quote.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen sixty eight, there were one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one res and casualties to spacks and other fishing vessels.

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<v Speaker 1>Excluding these, one hundred and thirty one fishing vessels. It

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<v Speaker 1>will be seen that the number of vessels employed in

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<v Speaker 1>the regular carrying trade that have suffered from wreck or

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<v Speaker 1>casualty during the year is two thousand. If this number

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<v Speaker 1>is again subdivided, it will be found that about half

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<v Speaker 1>of it is represented by the unseaworthy, overladen or ill

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.480
<v Speaker 1>found vessels of the collier class chiefly employed in the

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<v Speaker 1>coasting trade. For the six years ending eighteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>the number is more than half. So for clarity, half

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<v Speaker 1>of the shipwrecks that happened that were recorded by the

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<v Speaker 1>government were because the boats were not up to the task.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're hearing all of this and you think, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it sure is odd that everybody knew that the shipping

0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.520
<v Speaker 1>industry had problems, but no one was doing anything about

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<v Speaker 1>it before this, So did a lot of Plimshole's contemporaries.

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<v Speaker 1>In the book about Benevolent Men by jap that we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, which was written while Plimsol was still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>the author also mentions the various reports that had been

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<v Speaker 1>made about shipping's dangers to workers, and then stated, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems odd that a government which could year after

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<v Speaker 1>year make such records as that did not bestir itself

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<v Speaker 1>to end the evil or to lessen it. Materially very

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<v Speaker 1>odd that agitation for change should be left to a

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<v Speaker 1>private member of Parliament who had to undergo no end

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<v Speaker 1>of toil, anxiety, loss, and even of opposition, and worse still,

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:58.320
<v Speaker 1>positive abuse from many quarters. Mister Plimsol was assailed on

0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 1>all sides by shipowners and their friends or agents. Plmsall

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:07.440
<v Speaker 1>became a hero to sailors everywhere almost instantly, while his

0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 1>detractors in Parliament pointed out that he had no experience

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<v Speaker 1>as a sailor or a shipowner himself. Actual sailors and

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.679
<v Speaker 1>shipowners who ran above board operations were glad to have

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<v Speaker 1>somebody in the government advocating for better practices. The same

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 1>year his book was published, the Walter Hood and Company

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Shipyard named one of their new merchant sailing ships, the

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Plimsoll. All of this led to legal trouble for

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<v Speaker 1>Plimsol because a lot of people were really angry that

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<v Speaker 1>he was calling out their shifty business practices. We're going

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 1>to get into all of that after we hear from

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the sponsors that keep stuff you missed in history class,

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<v Speaker 1>going as the issue of shipping reform got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more attention through Plimsoll's work. He was sued for libel

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:05.640
<v Speaker 1>by a dozen different shipowners, but the most high profile

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.119
<v Speaker 1>of them went nowhere. There were a couple that really

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<v Speaker 1>tried to press it, and after they failed, the rest

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>of those suits were withdrawn. At the same time, as

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<v Speaker 1>more people heard about this work and the conflicts it

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>was causing, Plimsoll also gained a lot of support. This

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<v Speaker 1>surge of popularity led to a request for another bill

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<v Speaker 1>to be presented, and Plimsoll worked alongside several of his

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues in preparing it. Some portions of that bill passed,

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<v Speaker 1>but it only gave municipal authorities the right to inspect

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:42.639
<v Speaker 1>ships if they already looked run down. However, the ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>interest in the issues that Plymsall had laid bare and

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<v Speaker 1>his writing led to the establishment of a Royal commission

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate his claims. When a subsequent bill about reforms

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy five didn't even make it to a vote,

0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Plemzell started pointing a finger at Government of f and

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<v Speaker 1>politicians who were financially tied to the shipping industry. He

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<v Speaker 1>had to formally apologize for doing so, but he continued

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<v Speaker 1>to vocally criticize the lack of legislation just now without

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<v Speaker 1>naming any of his specific colleagues in the process. There's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting turn that happened over the course of several

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:24.879
<v Speaker 1>years with regards to Plimsol's representation in the press. In

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<v Speaker 1>his early days as a member of Parliament, he was

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<v Speaker 1>often lampooned in political cartoons for these sort of mumbling,

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 1>rambling speeches. But as he gained momentum and his maritime

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>reform efforts, the press started depicting him in a more

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>positive light and poking fun at the MPs who opposed him.

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Disraeli started calling Samuel's supporters the Plimsolites. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six, the New Merchant Shipping Act was finally passed,

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<v Speaker 1>in large part because Samuel Plimsol had been such a

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<v Speaker 1>tireless advocate for reform, and that act stated that any

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<v Speaker 1>vessel could be inspected by the Board of Trade and

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<v Speaker 1>that ships had to display a maximum loading line, which

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<v Speaker 1>came to be known as the Plimsol line. For the

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<v Speaker 1>first several years, the addition of this line was not enforced.

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<v Speaker 1>This was purposely. It gave shipowners time to add it

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<v Speaker 1>to the holes of their vessels, but then starting in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety, it was mandatory. In the year eighteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 1>the likelihood of loss of life at sea was one

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<v Speaker 1>in seventy five. In eighteen ninety it was one in

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eleven, so Plimsol's work immediately had an impact.

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<v Speaker 1>In the years after the passage of this Act, Samuel

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Plmsall's life had its ups and downs. He lost his

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<v Speaker 1>election and retired from politics in eighteen eighty and at

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that point Eliza's health was precarious. They spent a lot

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>of time traveling looking for the perfect climate to try

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to help her recover. There were a lot of scares

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<v Speaker 1>along the way. She had become very sick. They would

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<v Speaker 1>have to get a doctor to come from England to

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<v Speaker 1>where she was. At one point they were in Madeira

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<v Speaker 1>and she suffered what's referred to as an attack of paralysis,

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 1>which might have been a stroke, but she recovered. They

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 1>moved on to South Africa, where she seemed to do

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>quite well. In the summer of eighteen eighty one, they

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>traveled through Europe and India and they parted ways, while

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel returned to England for business, and Eliza and Nelly

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<v Speaker 1>went on to Brisbane, Australia to visit relatives, but Eliza

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<v Speaker 1>fell ill there and could not make the trip back.

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<v Speaker 1>After ten days with pneumonia, she died. Samuel learned of

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<v Speaker 1>her passing after an associate received a telegram with the news. Initially,

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<v Speaker 1>she was buried in Australia, but after three days Samuel

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<v Speaker 1>had her body disinterred so that it could be buried

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<v Speaker 1>at home in England. Yeah that telegram had specifically been

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<v Speaker 1>sent to one of his associates because nobody wanted him

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<v Speaker 1>to get that news that way. They wanted somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>he he trusted to be able to tell him in person,

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't want him to be alone when he

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<v Speaker 1>found out. Several years later, in eighteen eighty five, Plimsoll

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<v Speaker 1>married a second time to Harriet Frankish Wade. She was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven years younger than him, but Harriet, like Eliza,

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<v Speaker 1>was very much on the same page as Samuel, and

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<v Speaker 1>joined him in his activism. The two of them had

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<v Speaker 1>several children together, and they named their second child, a

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<v Speaker 1>daughter after Eliza. Samuel Plemsol became the honorary president of

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<v Speaker 1>the National Amalgamated Sailors and Fireman's Union in eighteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>While he wasn't a politician anymore and was mostly retired,

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<v Speaker 1>he still spoke out in support of the rights of

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<v Speaker 1>these and other workers. He also felt that there was

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<v Speaker 1>still plenty of room for reform in the maritime business,

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>and his next focus was cattle ships. He wrote at

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<v Speaker 1>length about the need to make the transport of live

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<v Speaker 1>animals more humane, with an eye toward ending that completely,

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<v Speaker 1>writing quote, the state of things I shall herein try

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<v Speaker 1>to make plain is only of recent growth, but it

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<v Speaker 1>involves such cruelty to animals and so much loss of

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<v Speaker 1>life to semen, that I should have given it precedence.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen ninety six, Limsel took on a very unusual project.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to try to mend some of the animosity

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<v Speaker 1>between the US and Britain by editing US history textbooks.

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<v Speaker 1>This sounds sort of cocka. Maybe it did sound that

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<v Speaker 1>way to people in the United States initially, but once

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<v Speaker 1>he arrived in North America he won over quite a

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<v Speaker 1>few people. He wasn't making a case that Britain was

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<v Speaker 1>a victim It was more like he thought that if

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<v Speaker 1>everyone could accept that the outcome of the Revolutionary War

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<v Speaker 1>was settled, like you're not fighting with us anymore. We

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<v Speaker 1>all know that you won your independence. We acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the two countries could get along again, and we

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<v Speaker 1>could probably do a lot of good as allies. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't try to whitewash or e RaSE anything, but he

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<v Speaker 1>did think that there was room for improvement in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that history was taught. He basically wanted to add

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<v Speaker 1>more nuance and make it less like these people evil,

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<v Speaker 1>these people good. He's like everybody has fault, everybody has benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to erase this sense that England could not

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<v Speaker 1>be trusted that he felt was being taught to kids.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave lectures in cities throughout the US. He was

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<v Speaker 1>always urging educators to reevaluate their textbooks for any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bias. In a write up in the Achson Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Globe of Atchson, Kansas, the opening about Plemzell's US tour

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of a get a load of this guy

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<v Speaker 1>toned to it, but then shares that Samuel Plemsoll is

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<v Speaker 1>a genuine and kind man. Quote. If all Englishmen were

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<v Speaker 1>like Samuel Plemsel, he would not have the slightest difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>in achieving his object. And if all Americans were as

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<v Speaker 1>good as he, this would be a great and glorious nation.

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<v Speaker 1>A great, big heart has, mister Plemsel, a heart that

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<v Speaker 1>beats for all humanity. You know this as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>you have seen the kindly, benevolent way in which he

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>beams through his glasses at all the world. And he

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>was quite liked almost everywhere he went. In the US.

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<v Speaker 1>He did manage to get the US Commission for Education

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<v Speaker 1>to pull anti British books from public schools. After the

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>US tour, Plimsol returned to England. He continued to crusade

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<v Speaker 1>for reform there on a variety of issues, but at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in his life he had slowed considerably. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a number of health complaints that he had been

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<v Speaker 1>nursing along through the years, including diabetes and kidney disease,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were really starting to get the better of him.

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<v Speaker 1>He continued to decline until his death on June third,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety eight, at the age of seventy four. His

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 1>adopted daughter Nelly was with him. Every ship in Folkston

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<v Speaker 1>Harbor flew their flags at half masted when the news broke,

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<v Speaker 1>and his coffin was carried from the hearst to his

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<v Speaker 1>grave by local sailors. Birmingham Gazette wrote of his passing quote,

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<v Speaker 1>by Samuel Plemsol's death, we lose a bold champion of

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<v Speaker 1>individual rights and a true and honest man who, without

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<v Speaker 1>special gifts or genius, achieved a remarkable success by sincerity

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<v Speaker 1>and courage. And by nineteen thirty, after a lot of

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 1>debate and a little bit of controversy, load lines on

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>ships were regulated at an international level. That Samuel Plimsol,

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<v Speaker 1>dun dun, duh. Do you also have some listener mail?

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<v Speaker 1>I do, and this so made me laugh, which I

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<v Speaker 1>always love. This is from our listener Chelsea, who writes Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Holly and Tracy. During the listener mail portion of your

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<v Speaker 1>recent episode Charles Goodyear and Vulcanized Rubber, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>chuckle when Holly wrapped up with anyway, that's the long answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was chuckling two at the time. That

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<v Speaker 1>was just for reference for anyone. In answer to the

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>email about the Fezzi where we were talking about what

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<v Speaker 1>qualifies as history and how do we define what we

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<v Speaker 1>do and do not talk about in terms of how

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<v Speaker 1>old it has to be. Chelsea continues. It immediately reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of the social media trend about asking a friend

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<v Speaker 1>how they're doing and saying you always want the long

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>version when it comes to you, two fantastic humans, your

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>listeners always want the long answer. While I love your

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<v Speaker 1>beautifully researched history episodes, I genuinely enjoy hearing your personal

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts in Banter just as much. It's exactly why I

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to Behind the Scenes every Friday. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being a bright spot in my week and my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite podcast for ten years running. I know I'm definitely

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<v Speaker 1>not alone in feeling that way, Chelsea. Chelsea, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the sweetest email. Also, I don't know that everybody agrees

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I'm verbos. You can cut some of my

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<v Speaker 1>stuff sometimes, but I do like to chitter chatter. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been this way since I was a child.

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<v Speaker 1>You looked at my reports from I remember my first

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<v Speaker 1>I saw not that long ago, one of my report

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<v Speaker 1>cards from first grade that was like, oh, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>joy to have in class. But she talks too much.

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<v Speaker 1>And here we are fifty years later. Oh yeah, still

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<v Speaker 1>talks too much. Talk about art history. Art history. Thanks thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>We love it. But that's a very sweety mail, so

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. I'm keenly aware that sometimes I talk people

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<v Speaker 1>see your soft it's got compulsion. I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of control in any case, Thank you, Thank you, Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>That made my week. If you would like to write

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<v Speaker 1>to us, maybe tell me I talk too much and

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<v Speaker 1>shut up? You could do that. I guess do that

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