1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, just luck and load. 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: So Michael Verie Show is on the air. Any historian 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: George Santayana famously said, those who do not learn the 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. And you know, 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: we know that quote, and it seems to make sense, right, 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: So we should learn the lessons of history so we 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: don't repeat them. Why wouldn't somebody learn the lessons of history? 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: It seems to make all the sense in the world. 9 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Why would the lessons of history not be learned? This 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: is a very important question because actually it's more natural 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: not to learn the lessons of history because people don't 12 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: want to dig into what went wrong because it's unpleasant 13 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: because people will be blamed. Did we really learn the 14 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: lessons of the opioid crisis? Did we learn that Purdue 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: Pharmacy put a product on the market that they knew 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: to be probably the single most addictive prescription drug of 17 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: all time, that you could never get off of it. 18 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: Do you know how many people's lives you know of 19 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: people you know of famous people whose lives were altered 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: or destroyed over oxycon. Purdue put that product out there. 21 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: They paid doctors to come and give speeches, inordinate amounts 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: of money to come and give speeches, not for the 23 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: speech as a bribe. Just about the time they were 24 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: going to lose the patent on this most profitable drug 25 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: they could ever imagine, they altered the chemistry of it 26 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: to say, because oh, we're going to make it less addictive. 27 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: They didn't. They put a coding on it so that 28 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: it would take longer to absorb. But the addicts by 29 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: this time, who were really heroin adicts, because it's really 30 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: just heroin, would just scratch that off, and they were 31 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: smoking it. They were ingesting it, I mean they were 32 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: injecting it. Did we learn the lesson of that, clearly not. 33 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: The lesson of the opioid crisis is that when government 34 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: and pharmaceuticals become too closely aligned, the public can be 35 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: terribly harmed. We didn't learn that lesson. Look at what 36 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: happened during COVID. Look at how many lives, including my brothers, 37 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: who were lost as a result of that stupid shot. 38 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people today, especially Democrats, but some Republicans, 39 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about the Clintons. They don't want 40 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: to talk about Obama, they don't want to talk about 41 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: Russia and the great hoax that was played on the 42 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: American people. Oh, let's just move on past it. It's 43 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: ancient history. That's how you failed to learn the lessons 44 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: of history which will inevitably repeat themselves. So here we are, 45 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six The book is Clinton Hoax Obama Coop 46 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: The Declassified story of the Trump Russia Delusion. We are 47 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: honored to have the author, Drew Thomas Allen as our guest. 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: First of all, Drew Thomas Allen, this is ancient history. 49 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: We don't look at the past, we want to look 50 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: at the forward, the future. Why why should we be 51 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: talking about this. 52 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: Today, Well, because it's an origin story of all the 53 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: pain that we suffered under the corruption of the deep state. 54 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: Since you know, twenty fifteen twenty sixteen might seem like, yeah, 55 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: a decade ago, a long time ago for some people, 56 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: for many people. But if we don't understand it and 57 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: seek accountability for it, at a minimum, accountability by every 58 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: American committing this treasonous plot to their hearts, so that 59 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: these players that were involved in it, from Barack Obama 60 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: to Hillary Clinton, they should walk spend the rest of 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: their lives remaining walking in shame with their heads down, 62 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: knowing that every American that sees them knows what they 63 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: did to this country. You know, and importantly, you know, 64 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: this book starts with Barack Obama. It starts with Benghazi. 65 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: It actually starts with the first year of Obama's first term, 66 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: when you had a series of terrorist attacks Islama terrorist attacks, 67 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: and the most prominent one was at Fort Hood. You 68 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: had an army captain who was a Muslim named Nadal Hassan, 69 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: and he went into the soldier preparedness center, jumped on 70 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: a table with two handguns and shouted at Allahu Akbar. 71 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: And the FBI already knew for a year he'd been 72 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: communicating with the leading English speaking Al Qaeda propagandists an 73 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: We're al Alacke, who, of course Obama would later hill 74 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: he was an American citizen, and Barack Obama and Bob 75 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 2: Mueller was at the FBI at the time, and Barack 76 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: Obama labeled it workplace violence. And that was kind of 77 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: the beginning of the corruption of the intelligence community to 78 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: force an outcome that was political in nature. And then 79 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: when you fast forward to Benghazi, you see it on 80 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: steroids again. You know, everyone knew the Cia knew Hillary 81 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: Clinton knw she was sending emails that very night to 82 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: you know, the Clinton bagman, Sidney Powell. 83 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Drew for a moment. Yeah, I want to take these 84 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: piece by piece because I want to make sure we 85 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: don't gloss over them. People may vaguely remember the name 86 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: Nadal Hassan, but that happened in my home state. It 87 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: happened at Fort Hood here in Texas, and we had 88 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: people call the show who were at Fort Hood at 89 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: the time. We had people who knew Nadal Hassan. Let's 90 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: go back this guy, I think it was a lieutenant colonel. 91 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: I think he was a lieutenant colonel of the US Army. 92 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: This is a guy who was working in as a 93 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: psychiatrist at Walter Reed, which is where our worst wounded 94 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: from the war were coming back. This is during the 95 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: Obama administration, and we had guys who had signed up 96 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: to serve after nine to eleven to defend this country 97 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: against what they perceived to be Islamic terror being our enemy. 98 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: And these guys went over there and they watched their 99 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: buddies murdered, and they put the tattoos of their buddies' 100 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: names on their bodies. They took physical wounds themselves, they 101 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: took mental wounds. They've suffered PTSD their entire lives, and 102 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: they've just come back Stateside and they're supposed to be 103 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: in a place to heal, and the psychiatrist who was 104 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: coming in to treat them and supposedly heal them was 105 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: telling them that they had been serving the devil and 106 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: that this was cruel what they had done to these Muslims, 107 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: his fellow Muslims during all of this. And you talk 108 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: about never having been aired properly. That is a verifiable 109 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: fact that all of that happened. Your book, not mine, 110 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: But you've hit on a real raw spot here, Drew. 111 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: This is this is awful. And then you know they're 112 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: not allowed to carry weapons on the base. So this 113 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: bastard is on the base with the gun and start 114 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: shooting up the base. He's shooting up army soldiers who 115 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: aren't even able to defend themselves on their own base. 116 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: There is so much about this particular story that bothers 117 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: me so badly that we could You and I could 118 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: literally talk for an hour on this subject. We won't, 119 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: but we could talk for an hour on this subject. 120 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: I encourage everyone to go back and look at the 121 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: case of Nadal Hassan and how he supposedly got radicalized. 122 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: I think he was radical before that, and how the 123 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: FBI knew about what he was doing long before he 124 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: murdered our soldiers. I mean, if our soldiers aren't safe 125 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: on a base in Fort Hood, Texas, where are they 126 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: you talk about a failing. It's good to remember. I'm 127 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: glad you brought this up. I'm glad you brought this 128 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: up because this is a reminder of the Obama administration 129 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: and the beginning of the end of so many wonderful 130 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: things in this country that Obama brought about. We're gonna 131 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna let Drew actually talk because it's his damn book. 132 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: But boy, this is a sore subject. His name is 133 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: Drew Thomas Allen. The book, which is brand new, is 134 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: called Clinton Hoax Obama The Declassified Story of the Trump 135 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: Russia Delusion. Continue our conversation coming up. Thomas Howell as 136 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: our guest. He is the author of the new book 137 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: Clinton Hoax Obama Coop The Declassified Story of the Trump 138 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: Russia Delusion. Drew, I hijacked your discussion. You took us 139 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: during the Obama administration of politicizing our security, intelligence and 140 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: military agencies. And you started with Nadal Hassan and you 141 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: had moved to the next case. I'll let you take 142 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: it from there. 143 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: Well, well sure, And just to add a note because 144 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: it is it is your erudite and your rights has 145 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: pointed out. You know, Nadal Hassan was known long before 146 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: he ever went in and killed American soldiers. In fact, 147 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: when he was doing his residency, complaints were filed by 148 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: even higher level members of the military who heard him 149 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: give a lecture in one of the classes about how 150 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: you know, there could be appropriate times for you know, 151 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: basically suicide bombers to you know, kill American soldiers, and 152 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: they basically just dismissed it and swept under the rugs. 153 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: So you know, this was a known entity to the military, 154 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: but because of political correctness that really came to light 155 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: under the Obama administration. You know, it was a preventable 156 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: massacre and tragedy. But you know Obama, he always followed 157 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: his golden rule, which was, you know, anytime you had 158 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: an act of Islamic terrorism take place in this country, 159 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: he had to also defend the religion of Islam. Because 160 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: I call Barack Obama even in the book, you know, 161 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: America's first Muslim president. Now he claimed to be Christian, 162 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: but he was the Billy Graham of Islam. They never 163 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: had a bigger promoter of Islam in this country before, 164 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,479 Speaker 2: you know, Barack Obama. But when you go to Benghazi, 165 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: what's interesting is you have kind of the same playbook followed. 166 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: That is that you know, on September eleventh, on the 167 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: anniversary of nine to eleven, you had a coordinated, premeditated 168 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: terrorist attack on our temporary embassy facility in Benghazi, Libya, 169 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: and Christer Stevens, the ambassador, was killed, and three other Americans, 170 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: including a couple of Navy seals that people who are 171 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: pretty familiar with. And you have to remember the timing 172 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: of this, Barack Obama's facing reelection in twenty twelve, He's 173 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: about a month and a half or so out. And 174 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: despite the media's narrative that he's the Messiah and the 175 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: chosen One, Jesus himself walking on water, Mitt Romney, they 176 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: were pulling, you know, just a percentage to two apart, 177 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: and so it was anybody's race to win. And so 178 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: this Benghazi situation was a huge scandal and problem for 179 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: the Obama administration because you know, just days before the 180 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: Benghazi attack, he was out there telling people that he 181 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: had al Qaeda on the run, you know, although Sama 182 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: bin Laden Uh and of course what he failed to 183 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: mention was that despite the fact that al Qada was 184 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: on the run, and it was true that that Osam 185 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: bin Laden had been killed, you know, after multiple administrations 186 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: trying to pursue that that end, he had cut the 187 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: head off of a of a hydra, if you will, 188 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: and dozens of others had sprouted up, more dangerous and 189 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: vicious in their place, and much of that had to 190 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: do with his regime changed war that he spearheaded with 191 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: NATO in Libya and he killed you know, Gaddafi. They 192 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: killed Gaddafi, and a power vacuum was created in which 193 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: a bunch of Alcadia affiliates you know, came about and 194 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: they were armed, you know, they were there were you know, 195 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: going into the stockpiles of arms that Gaddafi had left 196 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: behind and everything else. And it was a dangerous region. 197 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: And you know, the administration was worn time and time 198 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: again by Ambassador Stevens and others about how there was 199 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: a lack of security and that was dangerous and of course, 200 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton as secret Player of State, and you know, 201 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: her department never took them very seriously. And what the 202 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: Benghazi thing revealed though it was actually it was it 203 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: was really significant because prior to the Benghazi attack, Americans 204 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: and many people in Congress didn't even know about this 205 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: secret CIA annex that was about a mile down the 206 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: road from this temporary mission facility. And what that CIA 207 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: program was doing was it was not only arming rebels 208 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: in Libya, but they were also starting to arm from 209 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: those same stockpiles similar rebels in Syria. And so you've 210 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: been Ghazi blew up Obama's foreign policy. It showed that 211 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: it was a failure and at the same time he 212 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: was preparing to do the same failed activity in Syria. 213 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: And so this was threatening his reelection bid because how 214 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: do you run on Alcada's on the run? You know, 215 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: I've got the terrorists defeated, and meanwhile you've got terrorist 216 00:12:54,440 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: attacks killing Americans around the world. And so this a 217 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: lot of people think this is a Clinton scandal, but 218 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: it's actually not. Ivan Clinton scandal is user by Obama 219 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: because he's even worse than she is. And so when 220 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: it came to Benghazi, it was actually the White House, 221 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: not the State Department, that ordered the CIA to revise 222 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: the talking points twelve times. And that's when Susan Rice 223 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: went out on the Five Sunday shows and said, you know, 224 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: this was a spontaneous protest that you know, turned violent, 225 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: that was the result of an anti Muslim Islam video, 226 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: and the order came from the White House to do that. 227 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: Barack Obama was trying to protect and shield his reelection. 228 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: It wasn't Clinton trying to protect herself. It was Obama 229 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: trying to protect himself. And it showed that he was 230 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: willing to corrupt the CIA and the intelligence community to 231 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 2: further his own political objectives. 232 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: Man, you're giving me heartburn, dude, having to think about 233 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: these things again, having to think about how can intentiousness was. 234 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: You know, people, it's so easy to forget, how quickly 235 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: we do forget what led to Donald Trump, what led 236 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: to people craving that level of honesty, that level of 237 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: burn it all down, that level of we're no longer 238 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: going to trust you because you're John Cornyn or Mitch 239 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: McConnell or you know, Lindsey Graham or John Thune for 240 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: that matter. Tom Tillis you guys have betrayed us. You 241 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: sat by and allowed this to happen, playing political games, 242 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: and We're not going to stand for it anymore. We 243 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: are just not going to stand for it. The book 244 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: is called Clinton Hoax Obama Coop. The Declassified Story of 245 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: the Trump Russia Delusion. Is the book available now, Drew. 246 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, it's available on Amazon and online at 247 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: other sellers like Barnes and Noble too, but yeah, on Amazon, 248 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: Kindle and paperback. 249 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: So I've got about a minute left in this segment, 250 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: and I've got a lot more questions. I often ask 251 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: authors this, What would you say is the most difficult 252 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: thing about sitting down and writing a book, not just 253 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: this book. 254 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: A book. Well, it's a herculean task because you're focused 255 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: on the end of finishing the book, and you know 256 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: you've got to get it chapter by chapter. In a 257 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: book like this, you know, it's so confusing because there's 258 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: so many years of lies and cover ups. You know, 259 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: how is it that I take this information and present 260 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: it in a way that the audience is going to 261 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: understand and insist through all this stuff? How do you 262 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: decide what goes in the book and what doesn't go 263 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: in the book because people have short attention spans. So 264 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to write, you know, a 265 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: volume of American history that's a thousand pages, right. I 266 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: want to make it, you know, consumable and understandable. So 267 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: it's always the same thing when I sit down to 268 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: write a book, you know, it always feels impossible until 269 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: it's finished. 270 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh used to say after his second book that 271 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: he would not write another one because he doesn't have 272 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: an iron butt. And it's hard. I mean, it really is. 273 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: It really is a difficult thing to do. I think 274 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: all of us have one great book in us. It's 275 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: just a question of whether we can do it. I 276 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: think all of us have a marathon in US, but 277 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: not all of us are going to run one, myself included. 278 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Drew Thomas Allen is our guest. Can if you can 279 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: hang with us, I want to continue our conversation. The 280 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: book is Clinton Hoax, Obama COO, The declassified story of 281 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: the Trump Russia Delusion coming up. I have a buddy 282 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: who goes for an early morning walk every morning at 283 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: four twenty am, and it's dark when he goes out 284 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: for his walk, and he's in his neighborhood and the 285 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: houses they're town homes, and he was I said, you know, 286 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: you might not think about a burna that early in 287 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: the morning because it's price till dark, right, yeah, it is, 288 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: so if somebody is driving along and sees you and 289 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: you're an easy target. And he thought, well, and then 290 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: he had somebody walking in his neighborhood and it's a 291 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: little bitty, tiny townhome community and he realized that guy 292 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: doesn't live here, and he's far enough down this alleyway 293 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: type thing that I can't get away. Fortunately, he had 294 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: taken my advice and he had his hand on his 295 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: less lethal launcher. Peace of Mind Berna b y r 296 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: na dot com. You you you. 297 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: Michael Arry, you are to ring. 298 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: The King's English guest is Drew Thomas Allen. His book 299 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: new book is Clinton Hoax Obama COO. The Declassified Story 300 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: of the Trump Russia Delusion not collusion Delusion. Interesting is 301 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: back in the news again, Drew, Why don't you start 302 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: us with where you think we need to know this? 303 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: This story starts as it relates to Trump and the 304 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: things that we probably don't yet know and need to know. 305 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: Let's get those facts in evidence and then begin that conversation. 306 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. So to set the context and background, you have 307 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: to remember that Hillary Clinton was extremely ambitious and she 308 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: thought that she had a right to be president and 309 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: she was going to be the first woman president and 310 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: power matters, you know, obscenely to the Clinton family. And 311 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: so this was a dream she'd harbored, probably since she 312 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: was paling around and writing love letters to saw Olinsky 313 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: back in her you know, collegiate days, and this was 314 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 2: all going to be interrupted. It was blowing up in 315 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: her face because of the crimes she had committed. So 316 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: you know, when the investigations were happening into obviously ben 317 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: Ghazi's what set it off, because without being Ghazi, you 318 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: would have had investigations that revealed that she had an 319 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: illegal private email server had been sending classified emails on 320 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: those servers. And then, of course Peter Schweitzer wrote a 321 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: brilliant book called Clinton Cash, which detail held her pay 322 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: to play while she was Secretary of State, selling out 323 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: the office and access to enrich herself and her family 324 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 2: via the Clinton Foundation. And that book actually is what 325 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: ignited the FBI to start looking into these things. So 326 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: she had all these investigations into her that were obviously 327 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: you know, threatening to destroy her bid for president, and 328 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: Trump wasn't at the time. You know, Trump wasn't the 329 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: you know, heir apparent of the Republican Party and Magan 330 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 2: all that at the time. So you know, it just 331 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: happened to be that Trump became the candidate when all 332 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: this was going on. So she had to come up 333 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: with something that was so big and so monstrous in 334 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 2: order to distract from those scandals that threatened to bury 335 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: her ambitions to become president. So I guess we can 336 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: start there, all. 337 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: Right, take it away. Who do you see as the architect? 338 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: Because one of the things about conspiracies it amazed me, 339 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: and especially this one. We so many moving parts. One 340 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: thing I think I see coming through and I'm be 341 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: interested that unifies is that this this mini headed Tedra 342 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: or hydra, that it it is a shared ambition to 343 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: destroy Trump. Because if you don't have a shared goal 344 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: in a conspiracy that is deeply held, then egos and 345 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: everything get into the way. They all worked together seamlessly 346 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: to make this happen, and that's rare for people like this, 347 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: who generally operate only in their own self interest. 348 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 2: That's a great question. You know, what was it about Trump. 349 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: You know, would Trump would fill in another blank Romney, 350 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: you know, Rush would some other collusion you know, have 351 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: been introduced if it was someone else who was the 352 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: nominee instead of Trump. And I don't think so, because 353 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 2: what you have to remember, I mean, the reason Trump 354 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: attracted the ire An ir that we hadn't seen in 355 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: a very very very long time, if ever in our lifetimes, 356 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: was because he was a real political outsider. And you know, 357 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: you have a evolving door which is the deep state, 358 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: which is these lifelong bureaucrats that exist like cockroaches from 359 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: one administration to the next, and maybe they leave for 360 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: a while and go out and do some consulting work, 361 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: still using their connections to you know, government to enrich themselves. 362 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: And typically, you know, when a president comes in, Republican 363 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: or Democrat, the expectation is set for them when they 364 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: come in the door. Look, you're here temporarily four years, 365 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: maybe eight if you're lucky. You got to play nice, 366 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: because you know, we're the ones who actually control things. 367 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: And everyone knew because of who Trump was and also 368 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: things he was saying that he wasn't going to play nice. 369 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: He wasn't going to come in and be a cog 370 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: in that wheel, and so they had to destroy this 371 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: guy at all costs because it threatened the livelihoods of 372 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: the entire deep state establishment. Because he didn't care about 373 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: who these people were, He didn't care about their egos. 374 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: You know, he was the alpha male in the room, 375 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 2: and so they sought to destroy him, and it motivated 376 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: them to get rid of him. And you know, he 377 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: happened to just be there at the wrong place, at 378 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: the wrong time, or in this country case, the right 379 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: place at the right time, uh, to to blow the 380 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: lid off of you know, the existence of the deep 381 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: state and what they were doing. And you know with 382 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: Trump Russia collusion, you know what the greatest irony, you know, 383 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: Tulsi Gabbert. She was a client of mine as a publicist, 384 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: and that was another reason I was interested in writing 385 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: this book. You know, I started last August because I 386 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: had an affection for for Tulsi as well. And she 387 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: happened to be the one in there that's right, I know, 388 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 2: that's right, she's she's she's you know, very charming and 389 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: and and genuine. But there's some other things you know 390 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: that that that that streak of hair, right, so you know, 391 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 2: she declassified these these Russian intelligence memos in particular and broadly, 392 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: and we can kind of zoom in as we go on, 393 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: but broadly, the irony of ironies in the Trump Russia 394 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: collusion scandal is that the most accurate reporting and accounts 395 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: of what the Democrats and the Clinton machine did to 396 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: this country with the hoax turned coup comes from the Russians, 397 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: of all people, the great adversaries and boogeyman of the 398 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen election, because the Russians had penetrated all of 399 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: our systems, and this was the real scandal the media 400 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: should have focused on if we had an honest media. 401 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: You know, years before Trump Russia collusion, the Russians had 402 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: penetrated the email systems in the White House itself, so 403 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: they actually had access to Barack Obama's emails. And the 404 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: Obama administration obviously came out and said, well, you know, 405 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: they didn't get any classified stuff, and we don't know 406 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: what they got. We never got an honest answer. But 407 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 2: the point is the Russians were a pain in the ass, 408 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 2: and they were for a long time, and somehow the 409 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: Obama administration was never to get get them out of there. 410 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 2: The Gang of eight was actually briefed in the summer 411 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: of twenty fifteen that the Russians had hacked into the 412 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: DNC and had access to emails and throughout the political spectrum. 413 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: Wasn't just the DNC, it was they were looking for 414 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: Trump stuff and everything else. And so, you know, the 415 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 2: idea that that you know, Trump was colluding with with 416 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: Guten to steal the election, I mean, it defied you know, 417 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: reality and the fact that you know, all this started 418 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: long before Trump was even on the scene. And furthermore, 419 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: you know, there's a chapter of this book, Michael, which 420 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: is called the problem with the premise. You had to 421 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: be a very stupid person to believe that that Guten 422 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: would prefer Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton. 423 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anybody today can argue with a 424 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: straight face that it has been in Putin's interest to 425 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: have Trump as president. 426 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: No, of course not. I mean it started with a 427 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: great you know reset, you know, Hillary Clinton going over 428 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: with that big red button stick, you know, and they 429 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: mistranslated reset to like overdrive or something, which was ironic 430 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: and apropos for for you know, what they were doing, 431 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: and they wanted to reset relations with with Russia. They 432 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: were soft on Russia, you know. Famously, you know, in 433 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: that hot mic moment, Barack Obama went over there and 434 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: leaned in and with the president at the time, Edvedev, 435 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: and he said, you know, I just I just need 436 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: some more time, you know, give me some you know, 437 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 2: to be more flexible. Basically was talking about, I need 438 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: to be re elected and then we can you know, 439 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: talk about this stuff. But you know, they invaded Crimea 440 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: and ex Crimea. He didn't take any serious action against that. 441 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 2: And then famously, of course Hillary Clinton, she helped push 442 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: through the Rosa tom deal, which gave a large percentage 443 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: of our our geranium to the Russians. And at the 444 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: same time this was happening, you know, her husband, Bill Clinton, 445 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: was going over there and he was paid to give 446 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 2: a speech six figures by the very bank in Russia 447 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: who had an interest in you know, getting that uranium 448 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 2: you know, sold and acquired by the Russian government. And 449 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: at the same time, the Obama administration buried the fact that, uh, 450 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: these Russian entities that were trying to purchase it were 451 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: under investigation for all kinds of crimes. So the idea 452 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 2: that they would want Trump over Clinton was so outrageous. 453 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: It was and still is outrageous. But it's a lie 454 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: told often enough that to some people who want to 455 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: believe it, it becomes a truth. More with our author, 456 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: Drew Thomas. 457 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: Yes, We're going to take your air fifteen OPAO. 458 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: Yes, Clinton Hoax, Obama Coup. The declassified story of the 459 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: Trump Russia Delusion. The author Drew Thomas Allen is our guest, Drew. 460 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: When you look at you call it the delusion instead 461 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: of collusion. When you look at the people who are 462 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: not the obvious culprits, the Clinton's, the Obama's, there are 463 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot of other people Clapper for instance, Comery, Comy 464 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: for instance. There are a lot of other people who 465 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: were involved to help this thing happen, who enabled it 466 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: rather whether by not doing their job or moving the 467 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: ball forward or working behind the scenes. When you look 468 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: at the less obvious culprits who deserve some culpability some 469 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: blame here, let's talk about those people, because they shouldn't skate. 470 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 2: No, no, they shouldn't. I mean one of the most 471 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: prominent ones is Mark Elias, who was one of the 472 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: lawyers at Perkins Coy, which was you know, I mean, 473 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: he's kind of a lynchpin in all this, to be honest, 474 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: because he was the middleman between communication with everyone. Everyone 475 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: came through Mark Elias, and so Mark Ollias probably knows 476 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: more of the secrets about this than anybody else. And 477 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: Mark Olias, of course, if you go through and I did, 478 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: you know, the audience doesn't have to obviously, that's why 479 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: I did it. But in deposition after deposition, when they're 480 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: you know, giving their fake investigation into Trump Russia collusion, 481 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: Mark Olias is typically there seated with the person being questioned, 482 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: and he repeatedly shields them behind at turning client privilege. 483 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: And that was what was so brilliant about the use 484 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: of Perkins coy, because they knew that they could hide 485 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: behind at turning client privilege to keep most of the 486 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: details of this buried. And we don't have answers to 487 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: a lot of these questions. But Mark OLiS is one 488 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: Sean Henry who was one of the heads of Fusion, 489 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: not Fusion GPS, but CrowdStrike famously. CrowdStrike of course in 490 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: a completely inexplicable which I think I can explain, but 491 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: it was an inexplicable move. You know, the FBI, The 492 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: FBI contacts a low level IT person I think towards 493 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 2: the end of November of twenty fifteen, to let them know, hey, 494 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: we think Russians are inside the DNC servers. And this 495 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: is never escalated to anybody at the DNC at a 496 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: high level. I mean, can you imagine this. It's an 497 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: election season and you know, the FBI tells you, you know, 498 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: the Russians have penetrated your servers, and it never gets 499 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: escalated at all. They want to keep it all quiet. 500 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: And the FBI handed over that investigation once they believe 501 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: they had confirmation that the Russians were inside there. They 502 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: handed it over to a third party that was chosen 503 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: by the DNC, and Sean, the leader of that fit, 504 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: had been one of the top you know, cybersecurity guys 505 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 2: at the FBI in the past. It just shows you 506 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: how deep the rot is that you know, and how 507 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: the revolving door works. But you know, here's a couple theories, 508 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: well theories that I think are true. So these Russia, 509 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: these declass fed Russian memos. Did you ever see Michael, 510 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm thirty nine, but did you 511 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: ever see that movie? I know what you did last summer? 512 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: I came up in Jeopardy this week, and the guy 513 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: I was with, Alex Miller that we watched Jeopardy together, 514 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: I asked him to tell me about the movie because 515 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: it's one of those that comes up ever so often. 516 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: So I feel like I have a little bit of 517 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: knowledge about it, but I have not seen it. 518 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: Well, let's do an analogy for the audience to help 519 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: them understand what happened here. So, so I know what 520 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: you did last summer. The premise of the movie is 521 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: you have these four drunk teenagers who commit a hit 522 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: and run. They kill a guy, they throw the body 523 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: in the ocean, and they swear each other to secrecy, 524 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: and they think they're going to get away with it, right, 525 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: But unbeknownst to them, there is a lone fishermen on 526 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 2: the shore in the dark at that time who witnesses 527 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: the whole thing. And so they start getting these notes 528 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: that scare the crap out of them, that says, I 529 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: know what you did last summer. Okay, so keep that 530 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: in mind. Now, these Russians, So the Russians were reporting 531 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: to the Kremlin the Clinton plan to tie Donald Trump 532 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: to putin to distract from an email scandal. They were 533 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: reporting that Attorney General Lynch had established back channels with 534 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: the Clinton campaign to update them on the status of investigations. 535 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: You have emails that are obtained by the Russians of W. 536 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: Washerman Schultz, the head of the DNC, who is telling donors, 537 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: you know, not to worry about the FBI investigation because 538 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton had deleted you know, all those emails in 539 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: a timely fashion so they wouldn't have any dirt on them. 540 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: So the Obama administration and the FBI, the intelligence community 541 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: are trying to figure out a way to bury and 542 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: get rid of these investigations into Hillary Clinton. And at 543 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: the same time they're trying to bury this stuff, they're 544 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: supposed to be investigating the DNC and the fact that 545 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: the Russians are inside there and looking at all these 546 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: emails from W. Washingt Mischultz, et cetera. And while they're 547 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: trying to get rid of this through these intercepted memos, 548 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: they're having the evidence thrown back in their faces. It's 549 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 2: like they're trying to cover up a crime. And you know, 550 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: the Russians are this you know, lone fisherman, throwing the 551 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: evidence back in their face every single time, saying you know, 552 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: I'm watching what you're doing. I know what you're doing, 553 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: I know what you did, and so when intriguing possibility 554 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: emerges that I think that one of the reasons that 555 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: the FBI handed over so willingly and eagerly the investigation 556 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: into the DNC hack to a third party CrowdStrike is 557 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: because they had stumbled upon the very sub crime scene 558 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: that they had, you know, basically taken a vow to 559 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 2: erase and look the other ay from. And it's just 560 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: a stunning thing when you think about these Russian memos 561 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: that they're capturing all of this accurate information. I mean, 562 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: think about it, you know, And here's the thing, here's 563 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: here's the big takeaway, Michael. So they used the Steele dossier, 564 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 2: which was raw intelligence, which means unverified and we know 565 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: is complete DS. They used that to justify surveillance of 566 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 2: a of the truck campaign, and at the same time 567 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 2: they dismissed raw, unveritified intelligence they could have been corroborated easily, uh, 568 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 2: to dismiss you know, what was going on with Hillary Clinton. 569 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: It's astounding. 570 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: Astounding is one word. I guess you're sufficiently at this 571 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: point numbed to it all. I would hope that every 572 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: person who hears this, for whom some of this will 573 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: be the first time that they are infuriated, because this 574 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: isn't ancient history, and this isn't a one off. These 575 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: things will, these patterns will repeat themselves. They are about 576 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: human frailty of jealousy, envy, power grabs, greed, anger, dishonesty, 577 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: and they will be back the Clintons, the Obamas. A 578 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: lot of people think, well, when Obama was gone, we're 579 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: done with them. When Clinton was defeated, we're done with them. 580 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: There are more Clinton's ready to fill the breach. There 581 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: are more Nancy Pelosis, there are more Aocs. There are 582 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: more Jasmine Crockets, there are more Hakeem Jeffries. There is 583 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: an endless supply. It's like when you take out the terrorists, 584 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: there's somebody else willing to pull a Kamakazi attack just 585 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: waiting in the wings. I hope you folks will purchase 586 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: the book and more importantly read it. It's called Clinton Hoax, 587 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: Obama Coup. The Declassified Story of the Trump Russia Delusion. 588 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for being our guest. 589 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: Troue, Thanks God blessing Michael. 590 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: And as always, I love to hear from you, So 591 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: take a moment, when you have a moment, go to 592 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: Michael Berryshow dot com. That's our website. It says send 593 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: Michael an email. You can send me an email directly 594 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: this weekend, this evening, anytime, doesn't matter, the hour, and 595 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: I will read it and I'll do my best to respond. 596 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: Try to keep it brief and to the point. 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