1
00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320
Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production

2
00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,800
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy d Wilson

3
00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,280
Speaker 1: and I'm Holly fry. Uh. We talked about the Flint

4
00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,640
Speaker 1: sit down strike this week, which I've had on my

5
00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,000
Speaker 1: list for so long. I feel like it's been name

6
00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,520
Speaker 1: dropped in some other stuff that's been either about other

7
00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,880
Speaker 1: strikes or the social movements that kind of uh sat

8
00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,600
Speaker 1: in in a way that was similar to sitting in

9
00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:40,600
Speaker 1: at the factory. Um. So Uh, the anniversary of it

10
00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,560
Speaker 1: was a good reason to move it up to the top.

11
00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,080
Speaker 1: And then also the fact that, wow, doesn't a lot

12
00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,559
Speaker 1: of that sound like it could have been written about today,

13
00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,479
Speaker 1: Like people saying I work in a fulfillment center and

14
00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,000
Speaker 1: I am expected to work so fast I cannot go

15
00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,280
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Yeah, I know that during research this

16
00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,120
Speaker 1: made you angry as all get out? Did um and

17
00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,000
Speaker 1: I in the midst of recording at one point it

18
00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,240
Speaker 1: will have been edited out, but I just couldn't talk anymore.

19
00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,560
Speaker 1: What this is all because of stupid money? Yeah. Like,

20
00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,800
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I understand that we live in

21
00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,240
Speaker 1: a world that is made to go around by money.

22
00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,600
Speaker 1: I get it, But like the dehumanized treatment of people

23
00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:31,600
Speaker 1: who are actually making a company money. Yeah, infuriates me, yes,

24
00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:39,000
Speaker 1: and like the bright spun of it, unlike so many

25
00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,199
Speaker 1: other strikes we've talked about, like no one got killed,

26
00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,240
Speaker 1: there were injuries, no one got killed. So many times

27
00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,160
Speaker 1: on the show, and we have talked about somebody calling

28
00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,480
Speaker 1: out the National Guard, especially farther back in the past

29
00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,240
Speaker 1: so many times, like the National Guard was harming the

30
00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,400
Speaker 1: people who were already most at real and that was

31
00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,880
Speaker 1: not really what happened in this case. And so that

32
00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,680
Speaker 1: was not exactly a moment of levity, but like something

33
00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,600
Speaker 1: that was like a little less uh frustrating than feeling

34
00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,200
Speaker 1: like so many of the workers or so many of

35
00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,839
Speaker 1: the issues that that so many of the workers were

36
00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,400
Speaker 1: talking about are so similar, two things that are still

37
00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,799
Speaker 1: happening today. And uh there are various protections that exist

38
00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,160
Speaker 1: now that did not exist in nineteen thirty six and

39
00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,040
Speaker 1: thirty seven, but still so many reports about not having

40
00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,440
Speaker 1: time to go to the bathroom. Yeah. Um, yes, it's

41
00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,359
Speaker 1: infuriating again because of money. It's it's one of those

42
00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,320
Speaker 1: things where I continue to marvel at how on those

43
00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,840
Speaker 1: rare occasions where you will see, for example, like on

44
00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,080
Speaker 1: social media or whatever, either some news of some company

45
00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,000
Speaker 1: or some head of a company talking about like, no, actually,

46
00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,799
Speaker 1: we try to treat our workers really well, and that's

47
00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,639
Speaker 1: actually been great for all of us. I swear. It's

48
00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,320
Speaker 1: like that shouldn't be the refreshing thing it is to

49
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,800
Speaker 1: be like oh cool. Yeah. Well. And another thing that

50
00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,200
Speaker 1: this was an example of is like how just straight

51
00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,800
Speaker 1: up pay rate is not always the issue. Um. Like,

52
00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,280
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll hear something like, well, will we pay people

53
00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,480
Speaker 1: really well? That doesn't that count for something. It's like,

54
00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,360
Speaker 1: sure that a lot of the workers and in the

55
00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,600
Speaker 1: factory we're making more money than they would have made

56
00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,800
Speaker 1: working somewhere else in the area, but they were making

57
00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,640
Speaker 1: more money while being while feeling like they were just

58
00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,520
Speaker 1: being pushed beyond the breaking point at the speed they

59
00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,560
Speaker 1: were expected to work, and like just not generally be

60
00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:51,760
Speaker 1: being treated as human beings. So it's like, our minimum

61
00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,600
Speaker 1: wage does not absolve anyone of needing to treat the

62
00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:02,160
Speaker 1: people who work for them as actual people. Yeah. I UM.

63
00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,360
Speaker 1: I have a close friend who I had not seen

64
00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,000
Speaker 1: it a bit, and I got to see her recently

65
00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,120
Speaker 1: and she has changed jobs since the last time I

66
00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,600
Speaker 1: saw her, and she was she's been there for a bit,

67
00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,640
Speaker 1: and she was talking about how she has never been

68
00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,680
Speaker 1: treated so well in a job and how it almost

69
00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,039
Speaker 1: freaks her out because it's just so unusual. She's like,

70
00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,359
Speaker 1: I kind of actually get the feeling they might actually

71
00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:29,159
Speaker 1: care about their employees. And it's one of those things

72
00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,159
Speaker 1: where it is so unusual that it feels unnatural or

73
00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,760
Speaker 1: even suspicious at times to people. And I'm like, that

74
00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,080
Speaker 1: is not great, no, no, And it reminds me a

75
00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,680
Speaker 1: little bit of the Aska Manager Advice Column, which I

76
00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,480
Speaker 1: have been a devotee of reading for many years. And

77
00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,240
Speaker 1: one of the things that that she has talked about

78
00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,880
Speaker 1: is now, when you're in a bad working environment, it's

79
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,039
Speaker 1: like you kind of get accustomed to things that are

80
00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,840
Speaker 1: totally unreasonable and unworkable, to the point that you think

81
00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,400
Speaker 1: that that's just how it works. I'm like, yeah, you know,

82
00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:11,360
Speaker 1: I've totally had that experience. Yes, I think we all have. Yeah, yeah,

83
00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,000
Speaker 1: And it is one of the really unfortunate things. Right.

84
00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,039
Speaker 1: We've talked about this so many times in any of

85
00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,359
Speaker 1: these labor movement discussions, that the people who have the

86
00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,080
Speaker 1: least are the ones that end up going along with

87
00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,760
Speaker 1: those things because they're either so afraid that they will

88
00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,840
Speaker 1: lose what little income they have or like I know,

89
00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,520
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I didn't really understand labor law.

90
00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,600
Speaker 1: And I look back at some of the things that

91
00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,800
Speaker 1: like boss has asked me to do, and I was like, yeah,

92
00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,360
Speaker 1: I can do that, because I was a peppy little

93
00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,640
Speaker 1: ding dong who would agree to anything. And it wasn't

94
00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,560
Speaker 1: even like it was nefarious, but like just things like hey,

95
00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,760
Speaker 1: will you um go ahead and clock out, but then

96
00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,039
Speaker 1: work another three hours and I swear we'll make that

97
00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,920
Speaker 1: up next week, Like that happened to me in a job,

98
00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,159
Speaker 1: and I was sure, no problem, Like I wanted to

99
00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,440
Speaker 1: be like super agreeable and had no idea that that

100
00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,000
Speaker 1: is in fact wage theft. Well, and I look, I

101
00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,480
Speaker 1: I used to manage people for many years, and I

102
00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,560
Speaker 1: will look at things that I did or said as

103
00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,960
Speaker 1: a manager where I'm like, WHOA, that was not correct.

104
00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,240
Speaker 1: Like I remember a thing I had heard my whole

105
00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,960
Speaker 1: career was that your pay is confidential and you're not

106
00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,800
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about it to anybody. Um And like

107
00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,440
Speaker 1: I know, I told people that worked for me that

108
00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,040
Speaker 1: your pay was confidential and you weren't allowed to discuss it,

109
00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,200
Speaker 1: and that is totally false. In the United States, if

110
00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,760
Speaker 1: you work for companies that are covered under things like

111
00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,919
Speaker 1: the Fair Labor Standards Act, you have the right to

112
00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,160
Speaker 1: talk about your pay and your working conditions with your coworkers.

113
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,880
Speaker 1: Nobody gets to tell you know, you can't discuss that. Yeah, yeah,

114
00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,520
Speaker 1: it's I think that's another one that that companies get

115
00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,200
Speaker 1: away with saying like we have a policy that we own.

116
00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,880
Speaker 1: Because there's also the secondary thing of regardless of what

117
00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,200
Speaker 1: the law says, most people are generally just uncomfortable talking

118
00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,960
Speaker 1: about money and like it just it just comes with

119
00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,800
Speaker 1: a lot of weird baggage and taboo depending on how

120
00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,640
Speaker 1: you were raised, Like we certainly didn't discuss money in

121
00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,960
Speaker 1: my family, like you may as well discuss, like, you know,

122
00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,760
Speaker 1: lascivious acts at the dinner table. Like it was just

123
00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,760
Speaker 1: that level of like, no, we don't talk about money.

124
00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,840
Speaker 1: That's I still have trouble talking about it, even though

125
00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,600
Speaker 1: I am a grown adult human who owns a house

126
00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,760
Speaker 1: and has financial things in my world, I still clam

127
00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,040
Speaker 1: up when people talk to me about money. Yeah, it's

128
00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,680
Speaker 1: very very strange. So that that plays in that like

129
00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,080
Speaker 1: helps those the claims that we don't discuss salary to

130
00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,480
Speaker 1: work because most of us are conditioned that money is

131
00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,560
Speaker 1: a sensitive and unpleasant topic that we should never acknowledge exists,

132
00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:07,280
Speaker 1: even though it's part of everything we do. Yeah, yeah,

133
00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,920
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, that's a whole other showIn Yeah, it

134
00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:17,120
Speaker 1: definitely is. Um. So anyway, I'm glad the anniversary finally

135
00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:28,520
Speaker 1: bomp this up to the top of the list. Tracy.

136
00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,120
Speaker 1: This week we talked about the Snowflake Man. Wilson Bentley

137
00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,440
Speaker 1: did um I did not share during that episode was

138
00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,000
Speaker 1: what prompted me to look into his story because it's

139
00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:47,120
Speaker 1: a little silly. Uh it's a dress address. There is

140
00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,800
Speaker 1: a company. I will mention this is not an ad

141
00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,920
Speaker 1: for them, but I do shop with them called Swaha.

142
00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how they pronounce it. They

143
00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,880
Speaker 1: specialize in uh, steam themed clothing, so a lot of science,

144
00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,320
Speaker 1: technology and whatnot. And they put out a dress recently

145
00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,200
Speaker 1: called the Bentley Dress and it has snowflakes alo. It's

146
00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,840
Speaker 1: a black dress with just white snowflakes in a really

147
00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,240
Speaker 1: beautiful pattern. And I was like, Oh, I want that dress.

148
00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,880
Speaker 1: And then I noticed in the description they talked about

149
00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,880
Speaker 1: the snowflake Man and I was like him, excuse, and

150
00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,160
Speaker 1: then I um, I bought the dress and then looked

151
00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,839
Speaker 1: up Bentley and then bought some of his work. That

152
00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,599
Speaker 1: seems great to me. Yeah, it was like one of

153
00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,320
Speaker 1: those wonderful little kismets where I love the dress. I

154
00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,040
Speaker 1: really like their clothes anyway, and it led me down

155
00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,960
Speaker 1: this wonderful path of discovery because somehow I had never

156
00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,160
Speaker 1: heard of him. I do feel like we should mention

157
00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,720
Speaker 1: because someone will right in that there are instances of

158
00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:51,640
Speaker 1: a like snowflakes. Sure they're not terribly common, but it

159
00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,480
Speaker 1: does happen from time to time. Yeah, that's so. I

160
00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,160
Speaker 1: almost wore the dress for our recording today, but I

161
00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,480
Speaker 1: just didn't. I recorded my closet. People probably don't know

162
00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,840
Speaker 1: my overflow shoe closet, which is an embarrassing phrase to say,

163
00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,320
Speaker 1: but there it is, and I kind of have to

164
00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,480
Speaker 1: like wiggle in and sit kind of splay leg it.

165
00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,280
Speaker 1: It's just not good for a dress. And frankly, when

166
00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,640
Speaker 1: am I gonna, you know, sport a cute dress around

167
00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,600
Speaker 1: the house while I corral cats and write episodes didn't

168
00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,960
Speaker 1: seem appropriate. I'm saving it for a fun time. That

169
00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,520
Speaker 1: seems Yeah, it seems fine. I was gonna say, you know,

170
00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,160
Speaker 1: why not, why not wear a fun dress around the house,

171
00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,480
Speaker 1: But it would be more fun to wear it for

172
00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,440
Speaker 1: a fun time than working. I am a big fan

173
00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,200
Speaker 1: of a fun dress around the house, for sure, but

174
00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,120
Speaker 1: in a situation like this where I'm trying to like

175
00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,360
Speaker 1: wiggling it out of a space and sit on a stool,

176
00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,000
Speaker 1: and I just envisioned me accidentally like dragging things off

177
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,400
Speaker 1: a shelf and like creating some sort of havoc that

178
00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,120
Speaker 1: no in their life and you don't need to watch

179
00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,760
Speaker 1: or the internet and be like it's holly okay, Yeah,

180
00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,559
Speaker 1: it's not that voluminous address, but I would figure out

181
00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,160
Speaker 1: a way. I was very struck throughout all of this

182
00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:10,040
Speaker 1: at um what I have always called a personality type.

183
00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,600
Speaker 1: And I'm not the only one of the billy dreamer,

184
00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,480
Speaker 1: and I think that is Bentley in a nutshell like

185
00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,200
Speaker 1: and I it's interesting that little tidbit that we talked

186
00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,600
Speaker 1: about about his preference to hang out with kids rather

187
00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,280
Speaker 1: than other adults, and how weird that seemed to people.

188
00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,240
Speaker 1: Even then, there's part of me that thinks he didn't

189
00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,280
Speaker 1: trust other adults because they didn't have an appreciation for

190
00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,200
Speaker 1: anything in that sort of wonderful way, Like, I think

191
00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,160
Speaker 1: that may have been part of it, but I don't know.

192
00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,000
Speaker 1: That's just my theory. Yeah, I don't know what kids

193
00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,440
Speaker 1: thought about his snowflake pictures, but he had tried to

194
00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,240
Speaker 1: share them with the grown ups and the grown ups

195
00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,960
Speaker 1: didn't care then, right, whereas kids were like, wow, tell

196
00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,000
Speaker 1: me more. Um, you know, it was fascinating to them

197
00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,400
Speaker 1: because they were you know, kids are sponges and they're

198
00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,360
Speaker 1: eager for new things that stimulate their minds most of

199
00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,960
Speaker 1: the time, and I think that probably was a much

200
00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,520
Speaker 1: more natural fit. The smile thing is weird as hell,

201
00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,240
Speaker 1: there's no getting around well. And it also I wonder

202
00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,800
Speaker 1: if if gender influence that at all, because a woman

203
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:29,840
Speaker 1: who enjoys being around kids get to be a school teacher. Great, right, Um,

204
00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:38,680
Speaker 1: the photographs of smile things might still raise some eyebrows though. Yeah,

205
00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,440
Speaker 1: so weird. But again, if someone, I mean, if someone

206
00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,480
Speaker 1: came up to me on the street and was like,

207
00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,880
Speaker 1: I think you have a charming smile, man, I photograph it.

208
00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what flavor of expletives would come out

209
00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,920
Speaker 1: of my mouth, but it would probably be significant. I

210
00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,000
Speaker 1: probably resolutely ignore them and keep walking, that's right, and

211
00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,839
Speaker 1: be like get away from me. That's the kind way

212
00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,880
Speaker 1: I would put it, Um. But I again, I do

213
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,719
Speaker 1: there's part of me that thinks that there was probably

214
00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,400
Speaker 1: some degree of like if you think about the way

215
00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,960
Speaker 1: that he talked about science, like with you know, wide,

216
00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,000
Speaker 1: I'd wonder I also suspect he may be one of

217
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,560
Speaker 1: those people that didn't really have the best sense of

218
00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,400
Speaker 1: social cues either. That's a guess on my part. Um

219
00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,960
Speaker 1: he didn't ever marry. He did have a couple of

220
00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,560
Speaker 1: women that he was very close with UM over the years,

221
00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,720
Speaker 1: although there are some question marks about what close really means,

222
00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,240
Speaker 1: Like there was at least one instance of a woman

223
00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,840
Speaker 1: that he UM he wrote back and forth with, but

224
00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,080
Speaker 1: it was kind of a lot about science and meteorology,

225
00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,880
Speaker 1: and people would be like, oh, they were very close,

226
00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, were they? But yeah, but you know,

227
00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,679
Speaker 1: like they could certainly share um a passion for their subject.

228
00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,080
Speaker 1: It never seemed to me to be a particularly emotional

229
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,040
Speaker 1: or romantic communication between them and the little bits that

230
00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,679
Speaker 1: I was able to find, But again that is my

231
00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,240
Speaker 1: maybe same inability to read cues and maybe they were

232
00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:17,280
Speaker 1: secretly loaded with tons of romance that I was not catching, um,

233
00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,920
Speaker 1: but I do love this idea of someone just like

234
00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,800
Speaker 1: I just want to take pictures. I don't care what

235
00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,400
Speaker 1: happens to them. I want to take pictures of snowflakes,

236
00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:33,080
Speaker 1: of all things they are. And his photographs are very beautiful.

237
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like startling when you consider, you know,

238
00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,360
Speaker 1: this is fairly early on in photography and he was

239
00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:46,360
Speaker 1: doing this amazing stuff that they still look striking today

240
00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,160
Speaker 1: and really, like we read some of that list that

241
00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,600
Speaker 1: he mentioned of all the ways in which his photographs

242
00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,480
Speaker 1: had been used to then populate other design things. But like,

243
00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:00,360
Speaker 1: I really started to notice as I was doing this search,

244
00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,440
Speaker 1: and we happen to be heading into wintertime when snow

245
00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,320
Speaker 1: flaky things are around where I'm like, oh wait, that

246
00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,000
Speaker 1: design on that you know, Christmas decoration sure looks like

247
00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,680
Speaker 1: one of the ones from his book. And I'm holding

248
00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,720
Speaker 1: it up and I'm like, yeah, somebody traced that, like

249
00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,440
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably they've proliferated in a lot

250
00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,200
Speaker 1: of places where and never really been credited back to him,

251
00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,080
Speaker 1: because it's just like your standard snowflake, you know, they're

252
00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,960
Speaker 1: all different, yet they all seem to look exactly like

253
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,160
Speaker 1: once he cataloged and photographed, but kind of fascinating. Um.

254
00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,240
Speaker 1: I did not get super deep into the meteorology of

255
00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,960
Speaker 1: this because there are lots of discussions that still go

256
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,280
Speaker 1: on scientifically about what he was and was not right about,

257
00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:52,840
Speaker 1: and it becomes very difficult to sift those apart. Right. UM,

258
00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,600
Speaker 1: but I will now look at snow in a totally

259
00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,240
Speaker 1: different way. Should we get any this year, I will

260
00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,840
Speaker 1: try not to breathe on it. We've already had some

261
00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,840
Speaker 1: here in Massachusetts, not a lot. It didn't stick anywhere,

262
00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,040
Speaker 1: but that it was this Possibly there'll be more by

263
00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,920
Speaker 1: the time this episode comes out, but the odds are decent.

264
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for hanging out with us this week. I

265
00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,360
Speaker 1: hope that as you head into the weekend that you

266
00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,560
Speaker 1: have some time to yourself to relax and uh restore

267
00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,680
Speaker 1: and do whatever it is you need to take care

268
00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,160
Speaker 1: of you, and that if you don't have that kind

269
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,440
Speaker 1: of time, that you at least sail through it as

270
00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,120
Speaker 1: unscathed as possible. We will be right back here tomorrow

271
00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,640
Speaker 1: with a classic and then on Monday with an all

272
00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:47,240
Speaker 1: new episode. Stuff You Missed in History Class is a

273
00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,480
Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from i

274
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,800
Speaker 1: heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple podcasts,

275
00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,920
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.