1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Lake Spoffer, joined as always 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: hear from our studios at lambeau Field to discuss to 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: review the Packers preseason opener. And Wes, it wasn't pretty. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Thirty to ten Jets was the final score. And I 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: don't think we need to go over all of the 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: drop passes and the penalties and the turnovers and the mistackles. 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: We don't need to go over all them chapter and verse. 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: But I think it's safe to say that there's a 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: bit of a I guess a reset you might say, 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: happening here in training camp. With a big week now 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: on the horizon for Green Bay. With the joint practice 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: with the Colts on Thursday in Indianapolis followed by the 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: second preseason game, there's sort of been a reminder that, Okay, 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, there is a difference between practice in a 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: preseason game. The Packers kind of found that out the 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: hard way on Saturday night. And I think the expectation 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 1: is that things will be much much better this weekend. 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: Yes, and here's a couple of things on this one. 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: The downside of this, the negative side of this is, 22 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: you know, the Packers, you know, had a rough outing 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: on Saturday, as you mentioned, whether it was just the 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: slow start at the beginning, the penalties and obviously some 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: of the drop passes. Defensively, we're not able to stop 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 3: that first wave of the Jets first team offense and 27 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: Justin Fields doing it with both his feet and his arm. 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: That's all, is what it is. The good part of 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: this and the reminder of it is it does show 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: you what the game is like again when you're facing 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: an opponent that just wants to punch you in the mouth, 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: as opposed to when you are practicing against yourself for 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: two and a half weeks where yeah, you know, Keishawn 34 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: Nixon and Nate Hobbs might get a little frisky out there, 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: but ultimately everybody's trying to protect everybody. 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: This is a different game when you go out there 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: and it is back to. 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: Being you know, just a slabby knocker for a lack 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: of a better term. 40 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's in the back pocket. Now. This is 41 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: a big challenge this. 42 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: Week because historically speaking, if you look at the joint 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: practices we've watched both in green Bay and the ones 44 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: on the road. They always favor the home team. Yeah, 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: it's not a surprise that green Bay went to Denver 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: last year and struggled, but then took it to the 47 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens once they came to green Bay, which would 48 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 3: end up being one of the best teams in the 49 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: NFL last season. So Packers have to overcome that. They 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: have to put their best foot forward. The thing that 51 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: somebody had asked in the Insider inbox about you know, 52 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: the biggest debacles I've covered, and I said there was 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: literally two of them, Desmond Bishop blowing out his hamstring 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 3: and also Jordan Nelson in twenty fifteen. 55 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: When it comes to preseason gain with. 56 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 3: The preseason, yes, yes, the preseason, blowing out the ACL 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: everything else you can work with beyond season ending, career 58 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: altering type injuries. Yeah, and that's where green Bay has 59 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: to get back to this week. 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know, we know they're there's going 61 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: to be a lot of focus on the bounce back 62 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: aspect of this, whether you're talking about the first team 63 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: offense for the Packers, which only managed a couple of 64 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: first downs in the two series that it had on 65 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: the field, the first team defense, which, as you mentioned 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Justin Fields engineered scoring drive for the Jets right out 67 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of the gate, or certain individuals Mikkole Hardman made some 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: mistakes obviously in punt return. Jacob Munk had some penalties. 69 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: They weren't the only guys those Those are two that 70 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: stand out because their names were called a bunch during 71 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: the course of the game. All that being said, those guys, 72 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: those guys will be looking to bounce back. But you 73 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: also can't look at a preseason performance like that and 74 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: just go, oh, well, that was a complete waste of time, 75 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: and you know, you throw the tape in the trash 76 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. For one, there are a lot of guys, 77 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: there are a lot of young guys who are going 78 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: to learn something from that. But there are also some 79 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: guys that put some pretty good things on tape and 80 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: and did some nice things out there. And I think 81 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: that starts with when you're talking the first team offense 82 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: for the Packers, Matthew Golden got to line up across 83 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: from Sauce Gardner. Yeah yeah, and you know gets gets 84 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: a third down conversion and on another one ends up 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: drawing a DPI to UH to get another first down 86 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: in a third down situation. So those even though it 87 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: was it was very brief and it was all just 88 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: in the first quarter, those are the kinds of experiences 89 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: for a young player like Matthew Golden, who is who 90 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: is expected to be obviously a big part of this 91 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: UH Packers offense as a first round pick out wide receiver. 92 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: Those of those, those experiences are invaluable for a young 93 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: player at this stage of his career. 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, he is so sudden, and I 95 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: feel like I've been beating this drum ball camp. But 96 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: it's just it watching his footwork against Sauce Gardner and 97 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: then by the way the slant ends up having to 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: kind of pluck it a little bit. I think that 99 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: was away from his body and having to pull it in, 100 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: And it was a moment that. 101 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: Green Bay's offense desperately needed. They had to drop right 102 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: away with Rome. 103 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: They were you know, they had a little bit of 104 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: a pickup, but had really been sort of stammering there 105 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: early on. That felt like the initial shot, that little 106 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: jolt that that offense needed. Now, unfortunately they weren't able 107 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: to sustain it. But I think it just gives you, 108 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: and it gives Packer fans just a better feel maybe 109 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: the ones that didn't come out to training practice or 110 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: didn't get the family and I didn't get a chance 111 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: to see him yet of what this guy has to 112 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: offer the comparison I've been drawing. And again, I know 113 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: people hate comparisons, and I'm not the biggest fan of 114 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 3: him either, but he just reminds me of that Aaron 115 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: Jones type playmaker where you cannot find him and by 116 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: the time you. 117 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: Do, he's passed you already. 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: And it's not just because he's a smaller type receiver. 119 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 3: It's because he's just so explosive his first two feet 120 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: when they get in the ground, he is picking up 121 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: speed immediately. So it's not about how fast his car 122 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: can go, it's about how quickly he can get there. Yeah, 123 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 3: and I feel like that's where Matthew Golden is really 124 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: going to now Green Bay. For as much as we 125 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: talk about these receivers, they have to get healthy. Like 126 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: it's wild. The fact that we were watching practice. There 127 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: was a close practice on Monday and the top three 128 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: guys were Rome, Matthew Golden, and Savion Williams. Yeah, because 129 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: of Dantavian Wicks is dealing with, you know, this calf injury, 130 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: and you've had you know, Christian Watson working his way back, 131 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: and unfortunately now Jayden Reid with. 132 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: This foot injury. Kind of the top guys right now 133 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: for Green Bay or OL. 134 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: So when you talk about building depth and when you 135 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: talk about young guys having to perform right away, I 136 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 3: thought this was at least a good indicator that a 137 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: guy like Golden especially can really handle that moment. 138 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's an opportunity that he stepped into seamlessly, 139 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: which I think and the fact that we kind of 140 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: all expected that says something about him and what we've 141 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: seen of him so far that it was certainly not 142 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: a surprise. Injury update is definitely worth doing here because 143 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: Jaden reed the last couple of days that we've seen him, 144 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: he is in a walking boot. He's dealing with a 145 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: foot injury. There's been no timeline given exactly on when 146 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: he might be able to return to practice. The hope 147 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: is that he will be ready for the regular season 148 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: opener against the Lions next month. And in a similar fashion, 149 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney, the Packers All Pro safety, He is currently 150 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: out with a calf injury, and this happened he was 151 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: sidelined last week. He did not play, neither did Read 152 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: in the preseason game against the Jets. M McKinney told 153 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: reporters he doesn't really expect to practice much, if at all, 154 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: the rest of training camp, and he has his eye 155 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: on Week one with the Lions as well, presumably in 156 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: him talking that way, at least the way what I 157 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: gathered from McKinney is that when the team gets into 158 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: the practice sequence of preparation for the Lions is when 159 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: he is planning to be hoping to and planning to 160 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: be back on the field during you know, once the 161 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: roster gets cut down and all the focus then turns 162 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: to Week one. So a couple of significant injuries there, 163 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: I should say, injuries to significant players that that the 164 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: Packers are dealing with. But back to Saturday night. On 165 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: the offensive side, I also thought Jordan Morgan, now this 166 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: is the first time we had talked about it last week. 167 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: This was the first time we were going to see him 168 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: at left tackle in NFL game action because he only 169 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: played guard during his rookie year before the before the 170 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: shoulder injury shut him down. I thought Jordan Morgan acquitted 171 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: himself well playing playing left tackle for the first time. 172 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a performance that that hopefully 173 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: he can build upon as this competition with Rashid Walker 174 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: at left tackle ramps up. Rashid Walker was back in 175 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: practice just for individual drills on Monday, coming back from 176 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: the grain injury. So we'll see how long it takes 177 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Walker to to to get back into the eleven on 178 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: eleven where we might see a rotation then with Morgan 179 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: and Walker at left tackle. But I thought the twenty 180 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: twenty four first round pick, you know, held up just fine. 181 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like this was a good thing for 182 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: the offensive line to go through too, because it's allowed 183 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 3: two things to happen. One, Jordan's just finally getting a 184 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: chance to rep left tackle again instead of being in 185 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: a rotation, which is what he mostly had been in 186 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: last year. This is actually an opportunity to kind of 187 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: get his feet wet and just to feel that stability 188 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: and confidence kind of return after that was obviously a 189 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: position he played for so many years at Arizona. At 190 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 3: the same time, Sean Ryan has been able to kind 191 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 3: of settle in at the right guard spot while also 192 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: spelling the center position with Elton Jenkins, and I'll tell. 193 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: You what you know. 194 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: For Shawn, it didn't go great with the second team offense. Obviously, 195 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: there was that stripsack in the end zone of Malik 196 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: Willis ends up turning into a touchdown. 197 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: But that's a valuable. 198 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: Experience for a guy that has never played that position 199 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 3: before other than just a handful of preseason games and 200 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: some practices. Yeah, all these guys in gaining that experience. 201 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: You know, I thought Anthony Belton, you know, he had 202 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: the two penalties, but otherwise acquitted himself very well at 203 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: the right tackle spot. 204 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: He showed he's he is a he is a handful 205 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: when it comes to running the ball. I mean, if 206 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: you're a run defender who needs to try to set 207 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: the edge against Anthony Belton, you got your hands full. 208 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: And I haven't covered a right tackle like that in 209 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 3: Green Bay. I was thinking about this as we were 210 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 3: watching that game unfold. You know, if you go back 211 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: to it, I mean, Brian Blaga compared to me, is 212 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: a massive human being. 213 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: But the Packers have. 214 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: Never had like a mauling right tackle before. They've always 215 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: sort of been in that three point fifteen. I mean, 216 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: even Zach tom has listed at three h four, they've 217 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: been a little bit more that athletic type. The traditional 218 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: right tackle is more in the build of an Anthony Belton, 219 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: and I think that's something that's really intriguing is that, Yeah, 220 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: he can also hold up in pass protection, be accountable there, 221 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: but he's going to be able to move the guy 222 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 3: in front of him as well. And the Packers, I think, 223 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, have had those opportunities. Lastly, 224 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 3: I just want to close on this as far as 225 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: the offensive line, Donovan Jenning's getting a lot more work too. 226 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: He was a guy the Packers were very high on 227 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: last year as an undrafted rookie. Yeah, end up having 228 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: some injuries, didn't really get a lot of opportunities in 229 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: the preseason. He ends up being on the practice squad 230 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: all last year. But he's been running consistently now with 231 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: that number two unit, you know, with some of the 232 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 3: other injuries that have been happening. So yeah, I mean, again, 233 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: plenty to learn from. But I thought by and large, 234 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: whether it was the first team, second team, and definitely 235 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: once you got to the third team offensive line, I 236 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: thought that group definitely showed what they can do. 237 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I want to switch gears to the defensive 238 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: side of the ball, but we do need to pay 239 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: some bills, so right now a word from our sponsors. 240 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: Serious XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to 241 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: the minute NFL news that true football fanatics need twenty 242 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: four to seven, three sixty five. 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Pit Boss Grills available at minards. 250 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers unscripted Wess talking about the defensive 251 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: side of things for the Packers in this game, I 252 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: think the first guy to talk about because it's not 253 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: just what he did on the field, but it's also 254 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: what happened off the field. And I'm talking about defensive 255 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: lineman Colby Wooden had a very strong performance. I think 256 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: he was credited with six tackles, he deflected a pass, 257 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: showed some things both defending the run and in the 258 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: pass rush, and maybe he just had that little extra 259 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: bounce in his step for this game because of what 260 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: had happened earlier in the day. He was presented with 261 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: his degree from Auburn University in an actual sort of 262 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: ceremony in front of the entire team. The Packers, you know, 263 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of went out of their way to make this 264 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: a big deal, and rightfully so for Colby Wooden, who 265 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: had promised his mother when he got drafted that he 266 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: was going to finish his degree, and he stuck to 267 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: that promise and he's now a graduate of Auburn. 268 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did it. 269 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 3: I mean to do it two years out now. Obviously 270 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: he was at Auburn for four years. He was really 271 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: close to begin with. He only needed three more collasses. 272 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: He kept couching it. When we were talking about He's like, well, 273 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: you know, it was the off season. There's not a 274 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: lot of else stuff going on, so it's like it 275 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: made sense. 276 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people don't do that. You know. 277 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: I go on vacation a couple of weeks a year. 278 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to get my masters you know what 279 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: I mean. It still says something about the guy that 280 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: he wanted to to fulfill that commitment and be someone 281 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: that graduated from his family. 282 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: I remember other guys that, other guys that we've come 283 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: across over the years. Randall Cobb did that, he finished 284 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: his degree in the off season. I believe Casey Hayward 285 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: did that as well from Vanderbilt. So not the first 286 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: time it's happened, but in my time here, it's the 287 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: first time that I recall there actually sort of being 288 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: a ceremony inside the team meeting room where the guy 289 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: was presented with his college degree. 290 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the Kobe said he had talked to Matt 291 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: Lafleur about it. 292 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: They knew the date was coming up. 293 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: It was on the commencement summer commencement was actually on Saturday, 294 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 3: So he actually did think about going to walk, but 295 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 3: then ultimately he's like, I wanted to be out there 296 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: with my brothers. I wanted to go to war with 297 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: them out there. So Matt Lafleur in the coaching staff 298 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: and Pat Moore, one of the Packers assistant director of 299 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: scouting college scouting who's in Auburn grad lives in Auburn 300 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: they decided to put on and I said pseudo graduation ceremony. 301 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: Matt Lafluir corrected, it was a full on graduation ceremony 302 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: in the team meeting room. And it was such a 303 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: neat moment because not only that, but they brought his mom, Nicole. 304 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: They had her fly up to spend that moment with 305 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: him and to surprise him. He said, it did kind 306 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: of get tipped off because she wasn't returning his calls 307 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: and that's very unlike her. So, but that being said, 308 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: I mean, just to be able to have that moment, 309 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: and I was talking with Kenny Clark about it in 310 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: the locker room on Monday, I mean, it was a 311 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: really emotional thing for those guys to be able to 312 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: witness that. Kobe's a very popular guy in that locker room, 313 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: a very extroverted, expressive type individual. He's been that way 314 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: since he got here, So to see him get that 315 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: recognition I think was very meaningful. And then also on 316 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: the other side of it, he played really well. He 317 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 3: talked about Yo, this is a pivotal year for him 318 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: this year. 319 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: There's a big opportunity with TJ. 320 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: Slayton moving on to Cincinnati for him to be ingrained 321 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: in more of a consistent, permanent role. I mean, he 322 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: was a scratch early last season. Now he put on 323 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: more weight. He's now up about thirty pounds from when 324 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: he got here two and a half years ago, and 325 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: he wants to show everybody that's involved with the Packers 326 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: organization that he can be one of those entrench guys 327 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: up front that they can rely on. 328 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: And as we talked about throughout the offseason, the biggest 329 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: challenge for the Packers upfront defensively is can they get 330 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: a more consistent, reliable, threatening pass rush without sacrificing what 331 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: was a pretty solid run defense last year. And Kobe wouldn't. 332 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Pally is going to be a part of that solution, 333 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: I thought, And this is the kind of thing and 334 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: I say this for a guy like Kobe Wooden, a 335 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: guy like Christian Welch, and a guy like kings leyann Igbari, 336 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: all of whom I thought with the second team defense 337 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: played pretty well and really showed some things out there. 338 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: And I think with veteran players like that, with guys 339 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: who have been around, maybe they're not full fledged starters 340 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL yet, but they've got their share of 341 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: NFL experience, they played in their share of regular season games, 342 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: that when they get out there in a preseason game 343 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: against a second unit, they should be able to show something. 344 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: They should be able to control the action to a 345 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: certain extent, and I thought they did that. When you 346 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: throw in the fact that younger guys who haven't played 347 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: a whole lot of NFL snaps yet, like a Tyron Hopper, 348 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: like a Baron Surrell, when you see those guys in 349 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: a first preseason game of this particular summer show up 350 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: the way they did, those are the kinds of things 351 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: that are also very, very promising. I thought those were 352 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: two other guys, Hopper and Sorell in that defensive front, 353 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: Surrell on the edge obviously in Hopper off ball linebacker. 354 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: I thought those guys showed some things in this game 355 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: as well. 356 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: I really like Tyron Hopper. I know you know that 357 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: because I've been talking a lot about him, but just 358 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: watching the way he plays, there's a lot of years, 359 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: Mike where Tyron Hopper would have been the guy that 360 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: probably goes in there alongside you know, AJ Hawk right 361 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: off the bat. 362 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: You mentioned Desmond Bishop earlier earlier in this show. I mean, 363 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: if there is, if there is a guy that I've 364 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: seen before that Tyron Hopper reminds me of Desmond Bishop 365 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: is the guy that comes to mind. 366 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 3: Well, and like you said, I mean he defines and 367 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: kind of epitomizes that idea of a thumper. And he's 368 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 3: definitely a guy that tackles. He doesn't chase. I mean, 369 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 3: he goes to the action and he is motivated to 370 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: do that. And it just seems like every single time 371 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: I watch him, I look, I'll watch him for ten 372 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: minutes and then I look at the statue and he 373 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 3: has eight tackles, like he is just wherever they need 374 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 3: him to be. So I don't know how this is 375 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 3: going to shuffle up, but when we talk about how 376 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: deep this inside linebacker room is, number fifty nine is 377 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 3: a big part of that. And I think at some point, 378 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 3: sooner than later, you're going to see him kind of 379 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 3: trickling into that more consistent rotation up there, because for 380 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: as many eyeballs are on Edger and Cooper and as 381 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: they should be. Yeah, I look at Tyron Hopper is 382 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 3: sort of that change of pace guy, kind of like 383 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: what they did at the tight end position where you 384 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: drafted Luke Musgrave and Tucker Krab both second day draft picks, 385 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: but kind of the antithesis of each other as tight ends. 386 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: That's kind of the way that. 387 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 3: Cooper and Hopper are where not that Cooper doesn't have 388 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: what Hopper has, or Hopper it doesn't have the athleticism 389 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: that Cooper has, but they just are so good at 390 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: doing what they do well. So these next two preseason 391 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: games for him, I think are going to be huge 392 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: because it's not just the fact that these going and 393 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 3: getting tackles. They're letting him call the defense. You see 394 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: him communicating that we're in the headset there, and it 395 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 3: seems like long term wise, that's where Green Bay's developing them, 396 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 3: that's where they want him to go. 397 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, the fourth round, key fourth round pick on 398 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: the defensive side, Baron Serell, I thought he showed something 399 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: in the pass rush. He was he was a bit 400 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: of a problem and wasn't able to get any Sachs 401 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: did get a couple of quarterback hits. To the credit 402 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: of the Jets quarterbacks Brady Cook and uh and Martinez 403 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the first name, Adrian, sorry, Adrian Martinez. 404 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: To their credit, they stood in there and delivered some 405 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: delivered some passes while they took uh while they took 406 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: some hits. But but I thought it was I thought 407 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: it was a really good first showing for for Baron Serell. 408 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: Where we're still waiting, unfortunately, still waiting for Colin Oliver, 409 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: the other edge rusher who was part of this draft class. 410 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: We're still waiting for him to get healthy, to h 411 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: to get back on the practice field. But Sorell showed 412 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: that that you know, he might have a spot in 413 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: this in this rotation to try to get some pressure 414 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: on the quarterback as well. 415 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 3: Documented you and I split the one on ones during 416 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: the padded work, so I'm always with the offensive offense 417 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: in defensive line, you're over with the dbs and receivers. 418 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 3: But the one thing that has stood out to me 419 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: about Cirell, and maybe you've gotten a feel for this 420 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: with something, it is really hard for offensive linemen to 421 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: keep their hands on him. Yeah he is slippery, Yeah 422 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 3: he's athletic, and yeah he's powerful, but he's not the 423 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: biggest edge rusher you've ever seen before. He's not a 424 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: Julius Peppers type, but he seems to have that type 425 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 3: of wiry frame that he's very elusive. It almost feels like, 426 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: and I mean, I'm sure that's a credit to his 427 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: get off and his footwork and obviously what he does 428 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 3: with his hands when he battles there coming out of 429 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: the corner. But I really have liked everything I've seen with. 430 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: Baron Cerell so far. 431 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: I watching him, I kind of start to get a 432 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: feel for why he was the type of player he 433 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: was at Texas. 434 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: He's just consistent. 435 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: This rotation, man, I mean, it didn't show up so 436 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 3: much in the game, especially with the limited reps the 437 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 3: first team got, but I mean, Lucas Faness has been 438 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: wreaking a lot of havoc on the practice field. Obviously, 439 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 3: we've seen what Brenton Cox Junior can do, and you 440 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: were just talking about Kingsley and Igbari the rotation there. 441 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 3: The more we're watching them throughout this camp and even 442 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 3: some of the stuff we saw in the offseason program, 443 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 3: you start to get a better feel for why the 444 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers didn't feel like they had to go 445 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 3: out and get a veteran edge rusher to pair with 446 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: all these guys they have that in Rashan. It's kind 447 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 3: of seeing, okay with all this talent you have sort 448 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: of like the receiver position, which person's gonna grab the 449 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: brass ring and kind of run away with the job. 450 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of guys that are making convincing, 451 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: convincing bids right now for playing time. 452 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: And I thought when we heard from a handful of 453 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: assistant coaches on Sunday, the day after the game, I 454 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: thought Jeff Hafley had one of the most interesting comments 455 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: about Baron Surrell in that he wasn't just talking about, 456 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the flashes that he made in 457 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: the pass rush and everything. He was saying that he 458 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: saw a rookie who was self correcting out on the field, 459 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: that something would happen to play, wouldn't go quite right, 460 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: or maybe his technique wasn't quite right on a certain play, 461 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: and then the next play he was fixing himself elf 462 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: along the way. I don't know if I've ever heard 463 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: a coach say that about a rookie, you know, in 464 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: his first preseason action as an NFL player. So that's 465 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: the kind of that that was the kind of thing 466 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: that caught my ear with Cerell. And it tells you 467 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: that even though the Packers have, you know, they have 468 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Rashaun Garry and Lucas Faness and and Brenton Cox and 469 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: and jj A Nagbari. They have those guys. Serell might 470 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: work his way onto the field as a rookie and 471 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: get some chances here in his first season in the NFL. 472 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: Last thing before we go, any other comments from those 473 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: assistant coaches that stood out to you when we heard 474 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: from them on Sunday. 475 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: Well, and I just have to say before we stop 476 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: talking about the game, I just have to mention Amar 477 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: Johnson's name, because the guy had an incredible When you 478 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 3: talk about I missed him in the when we're talking 479 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 3: about offense, but we're talking about the Packers looking for something, 480 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 3: a silver lining, something to give them a jolt of 481 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 3: the game. On Johnson, Packers are under one hundred total 482 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 3: yards at that point. That guy went out there and 483 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 3: he was playing like this is this is it? This 484 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: is his moment. If he doesn't do this, his career 485 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: is over. I mean that guy felt like the way 486 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: he was bouncing off tacklers. South Dakota State another guy 487 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: that's trying to prove himself from the FCS level, the 488 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: same program that Tucker Craft came out of. I just 489 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: I tipped my cap to him, and also Sean Clifford 490 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 3: going down the field trying to get that last block 491 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: to spring his running back. 492 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 2: I just had to know you're. 493 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, and that's and that's on me 494 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: that I shifted. I shifted away from the offense before 495 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: we did talk about and I'll say this about Johnson 496 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: as well, that I thought, even before the thirty nine 497 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: yard touchdown run where he bounced off the tackle, cut 498 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: it back across, got that little extra escort from Sean 499 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: Clifford down the field. But I thought, even before that play, 500 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: my impression with the Packers being thin at running back, 501 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: and just to update, we have seen Marshawn Lloyd and 502 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Wilson were back in individual drills in practice on Monday, 503 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: so perhaps they're working their way back and the Packers 504 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: won't be quite so thin at running back. But with 505 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: with them being thin the way they were, and Josh 506 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: Jacobs actually didn't get carry on Saturday night, even before 507 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: the thirty nine yard touchdown run, my impression was of 508 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: Oamar Johnson was while this guy runs hard hard, I mean, 509 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: because even if it was just a four yard carrier, 510 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: he bounces off one tackle and gets like six yards 511 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: or something like that. It caught your eye, It made 512 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: an impression, and then it sort of all came to 513 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: fruition when he ends up breaking into the open field 514 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: and gets the long touchd on ru And Yeah, hats 515 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: off to Sean Clifford for that nice extra little blockdown field. 516 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: Credit to you. 517 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up the assistant coaches because we 518 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: talked to him on Sunday afternoon, right and Ryan Downard 519 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 3: walked up there and was really effusive in his praise 520 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: of Katanoladappo. Yeah, I'm kind of him doing the right 521 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 3: things and obviously in line for a big opportunity now 522 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: with Xavier McKinney out. Unfortunately, Zane Anderson also has a knee. 523 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: Injury from h and Anderson hurt his knee in the game. 524 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: Not expected to be long term, but Matt Lafleur did 525 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: say Zaane's gonna miss some time. 526 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Zane, we'll see where everything happens there. But 527 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: Ton goes into practice on Monday. It probably wasn't the 528 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: most difficult interception he's ever had to make, but the 529 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: fact is it was a two minute period with the 530 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 3: number two offense versus the number two defense. 531 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: Malik Willis tries to go across the. 532 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 3: Middle on the very first play and then here comes 533 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 3: is tipball that gets bad up in the air and 534 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 3: Katan comes down. 535 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: And collapses on it. 536 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 3: When you're talking about moments for safeties, there aren't always 537 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: a lot of great opportunities to get noticed in practice 538 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 3: because you're not thumping, you're not trying to, you know, 539 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: knock these balls out a lot of these guys downfield. 540 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: You're trying to protect your receiver teammates. But I thought 541 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: in that moment he maximizes opportunity. 542 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. The It's going to be an interesting week. 543 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: We are off to Indianapolis tomorrow and we are going 544 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: to do our best to figure out some kind of 545 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: a show to do from Indianapolis so that we can 546 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: have a second show this week. We haven't figured out 547 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: all the logistics. We have to get to our hotel 548 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of see what we have to work with. We 549 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: need to talk to our video teammates who will be 550 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: on the trip with us as well and see we 551 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: can figure something out. So the hope is that at 552 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: some point later this week we will have a second 553 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: show for you from Indianapolis, so fingers crossed, stay tuned, 554 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: and if you don't hear from us until next week, 555 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: it's just because we couldn't figure it out, but hopefully 556 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: we can with that. With that, we'll call it a 557 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: rap on this edition of Packers Unscript, But be sure 558 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team and 559 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: we will have all kinds of coverage from Indianapolis for you, 560 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: the joint practice, the preseason game, all that coming up 561 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: on Packers dot com for West, I'm miike, thank you 562 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: for tuning in everybody we will see this time