1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg daybreak. Let's jump into these markets now. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: STI Dwek Joins, us chief investment officer at Flow Bank, 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: st good morning. We're seeing futures rise after the two 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: days slide following Jackson Hole. Do you buy this dep 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Good morning? Um? I think I would. Um. You know, 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about this FED pivot that 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: wasn't happening, but I don't think we were ever going 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: to get an actual pivot. The market wasn't expecting the 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: FED to start cutting now or to stop hiking. The 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: FED is clearly past the most aggressive part of his 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: tightening cycle. We're probably going to get fifty basis points 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: unless we get a really bad inflation number for August, 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: which indicators don't seem to be pointing that way, and 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: then we'll have a couple more basis points. But we're 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: moving intour into the end of the tightening cycle, and 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: I think the FED needed to re anchor those medium 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: to long term expectations, reaffirm it was going to keep 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: fighting in lation because it felt the market maybe got 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: a little too complacent over the summer. But I don't 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: think this speech should be that much of a surprise 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: and change the perspectives, and you can see you didn't 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: see that much of a move in the bond market. 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: You're getting right into the heart of the debate, aren't you. 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: Whether the Fed is going to pivot I guess to 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: slower rate hikes. Dig a little deeper into your call here, 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: Why do you think the Fed is going to start 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: slowing down next month? We saw in the July minutes 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: that they know it takes three to six months for 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: the rate hikes to feed through into the economy. We 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: started to see a couple of data points showing that 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: growth is gradually slowing, although not yet so much in 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: the labor market, of course. And we're continuing to get 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: these disinflation indicators. Hopefully August comes in lower than July, 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and again most of these indicators are pointing that way. 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: One month doesn't make a trend, but to three four 36 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: months in a row. If this continues into the end 37 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: of the year, that gives a little confidence that inflation 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: is coming down. And they need to let the big, 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: big rate hikes that they did in the second and 40 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: third quarter have an impact on growth, bring demand down 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: slowly and let that feed through into next year. I'm 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: sure By now you've heard the comments to our Odd 43 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: Lots podcast here on Bloomberg News from Minneapolis FED President 44 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Neil cash Cary saying that he was pretty happy with 45 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: the market reaction following Chairman pal speech on Friday. He says, 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: it's a sign that the message from Powell on higher 47 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: for longer rates was received by markets. Is the market 48 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: sending a different message here? I don't think. Again, if 49 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: you look at the bone market, you had more of 50 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: a reaction before the speech, then after the terminal rate 51 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: didn't change so much. The odds of seventy five basis 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: points versus fifty for September went up, but they've sort 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: of retreated already since. I think the Fed also wanted 54 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: to send a message that the rate cut expectations that 55 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: were coming in sort of early or in earlier in 56 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: three weren't going to happen. So I'm not sure it 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: was so much about September or into the end of 58 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: the year. I think it was a view that they 59 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: are going to get restrictive, as we've already known, and 60 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: they're going to stay restrictive for longer, and even if 61 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: growth slows, it's kind of what they're hoping for. So 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: they're not going to jump in at the first sign 63 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: of a disappointing non farm peril's number or a softer 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: p m I number. They're going to stay tighter for longer. So, 65 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: given all that you're saying here, I see in our 66 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: last minute or so, how are you advising your clients 67 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: to add to risk? Are you making a certain recommendations 68 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: on sectors or styles through the rest of this year. Well, 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: we think that technology is going to resume its out 70 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: performance in the coming months and lead the market higher 71 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: into the end of the year. Now, it doesn't mean 72 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: we don't get more speed bumps like we did just now, 73 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: and September for sure, can be tricky at least at 74 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: some point during the month. So it's not there's certainly 75 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: no all clear signal, but some of these more some 76 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: of the cyclical sectors should start to recover if growth 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: holds up. And again I think technology growth and earnings 78 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: are going to continue to support the sector and that 79 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: will help lead the market higher. Great to get your 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: thoughts this morning, s D. Thanks for this. I really 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. That's s D. Dwack, chief investment 82 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: officer at Flow Bank,