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<v Speaker 1>So what are you talking about today? We are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about sex in the city. Mom. Wait a minute, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing cosmos. I'm ordering Chinese food. Yea for and just

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<v Speaker 1>like that and for just like that. Wait, Mom, who

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<v Speaker 1>do you think I am? Yeah, you could be a Carrie,

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<v Speaker 1>but you might have a little Samantha in there. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the corect answer. That's right. Okay, well, definitely not Charlotte. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>love you bye, love you by John Donna. John, Dump dump,

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<v Speaker 1>don don't dump, don't I'm a finished Rose. You're putting

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<v Speaker 1>this in serious legal tuba dum dude, du dude, dude. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like we have our new theme music that

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for. Honestly, I feel like I'm giving day

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<v Speaker 1>Kim control. We are invoking your name today. You are

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<v Speaker 1>with us in spirit now that you have passed on

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<v Speaker 1>to the other world. No, I'm just saying like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want her energy around me. Dumb bitch as unite, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But social culturally, a lot of people are treating her

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<v Speaker 1>like she's dead, which I'm sure she would appreciate because not.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha is the one that figured it out, both in

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<v Speaker 1>the show and in real life. She was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually huge toxicity and dysfunctionality to this friend group,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm out, Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a little trip to New York City, a

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<v Speaker 1>New York city that like definitely isn't the real New

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<v Speaker 1>York snow but not based in any sort of reality. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to talk about Carrie, Miranda, Charlotte and Samantha.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not talking about Charlotte. We will have anything to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I will talk about Charlotte and her shiny shiny hair

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<v Speaker 1>of course. Um, this is like a Virgin the show

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<v Speaker 1>where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose

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<v Speaker 1>Damo and I'm fran Toronto. Unlike Carrie, who only was

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<v Speaker 1>ever thinking about what was going on in her life,

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<v Speaker 1>let's think about what's going on in the world right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's good look at what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in pop culture. The biggest thing I think this week

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<v Speaker 1>was Spotify wrapped hit Yes, the breaking news of Spotify wrapped,

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<v Speaker 1>and watching so many of my ex funk buddies post

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that they again, for the third year

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<v Speaker 1>in a row, we're in the top point five percentile

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<v Speaker 1>of Ariana Grande listeners. Very so grateful to know that

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<v Speaker 1>my top five artists this year were no surprised to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one Taylor Swift, obviously Taylor Allison Swift. Say her name,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep forgetting Her middle name is Alison. That's so jarring.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two was Lord, No surprise there. I love Lord.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a new album come out this year, and

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<v Speaker 1>you and I had the same number one and number

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<v Speaker 1>two arts. I listened to her a lot that that tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>Number three Kate Bush, Yes, God, I listened. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Bush is one of my favorites of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do listen to her all the time. Number

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<v Speaker 1>four Livia Rodrigo Sour was big this year for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Number five Phoebe Bridgers. This was the year that I

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<v Speaker 1>became a Phoebe Bridgers stand What what are Bridgers stands called?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, little little skeletons, corpses. Yeah, well I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure there's a stand name. Have you seen Have you

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<v Speaker 1>heard that TikTok sound where it's like someone who anytime

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<v Speaker 1>they see someone as a skeleton, they're like, Phoebe, you

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<v Speaker 1>are sick and you are married. So top artists obviously

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<v Speaker 1>are all thematically linked and that they're all women. They

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<v Speaker 1>all make like a very kind of, you know, personal

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<v Speaker 1>kind of music. I also subscribed to the exact same

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<v Speaker 1>genre of music, which is soft spoken like alt girls

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<v Speaker 1>who love writing songs about personal growth, girls that love therapy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So who are your Who

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<v Speaker 1>are your artists? So my top artists were Taylor Swift

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<v Speaker 1>in Lord's Same as You, then Phoebe as a as

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<v Speaker 1>a number three coming in Hot, and then I did

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Kasey mus Graves quite a lot this year,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will say that it was more of continual

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<v Speaker 1>re listening of Golden Hour and maybe not as much

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<v Speaker 1>of the new album, which I still loved, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it had its hits and its misses. It was it

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<v Speaker 1>was mostly okay. I don't know this for a fact,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would also wager that m part of the

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<v Speaker 1>reason She's in my top five is because I really

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<v Speaker 1>love the song from her Christmas special gliter E, which

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<v Speaker 1>she does with choice of and I'm not even a

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<v Speaker 1>choice of on stand but the song is a really

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<v Speaker 1>good well you are sick in the head, I'm sick

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<v Speaker 1>in the head. So wait. So in my fifth was

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<v Speaker 1>Billie Eilish. Interesting, Well we can talk about it. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. Well, I'm curious to know I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a little eyelash. I you know, I have grown. I

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<v Speaker 1>like her, but I just don't like her that much.

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<v Speaker 1>So Taylor was your top artist, Taylor was my top artist.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your most listen to Taylor song? It was

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<v Speaker 1>Ivy at the number two underneath Moon Song. My top

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<v Speaker 1>song of the year was Kyoto by Phoebe Bridgers, which

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<v Speaker 1>I love because Boebe sings with kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>lockjaw and so it's like a do youen Kyoto before seven?

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<v Speaker 1>Like she has her jaw wire chut but is singing

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<v Speaker 1>through it. And I, you know, as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>loved Solar Power, Soila solo Pala really brought me back

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<v Speaker 1>to melodrama, which all leudes back to melo drama. I

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<v Speaker 1>all wrote. I'm ashamed to say when it first came out,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't love it, and so I never really gave

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<v Speaker 1>a trail. Okay, I'm thinking of The Love Club the

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<v Speaker 1>Love Club EP. When that came out, I just had

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of what I wanted Lord to be, and

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<v Speaker 1>so when it went into Jack Antonovs territory. I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like it wasn't my music anymore, and in hindsight, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that I was thinking about it in

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<v Speaker 1>a very well rounded way and also didn't really know

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<v Speaker 1>who Jack Antonoff was. But I basic all I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to say, if we need to give him a break,

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<v Speaker 1>the girls need to like take his cock cage off

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<v Speaker 1>and give him like a year or two to to

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<v Speaker 1>get the creative juices like refilled one, especially since I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really feel like his imprint was really on Solar

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<v Speaker 1>Power at all. Like I feel like Lord really drove

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<v Speaker 1>all of the album and pushed him. I I hear

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot on songs like um Fallen Fruit was

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<v Speaker 1>is maybe my favorite song on the album, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think like that the instrumentals and the harmonies on that,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, you sound like very Jock anton Off. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>Basically I discovered melodrama and Solar Power this year, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why Lord is a great second. You know who

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<v Speaker 1>else I think needs a little break culturally is lin

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<v Speaker 1>Manuel Miranda, who um you know, love love him, has

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<v Speaker 1>made a cool body of work. He's like very polarizing

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<v Speaker 1>to some people, I think to the gay Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>we saw Encanto on a Friday, which I loved. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was a great movie. Did not love the music.

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<v Speaker 1>UM did not also love, hate to say it, the

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<v Speaker 1>vocal ability in the movie. I felt like the voicing

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<v Speaker 1>was perfect, characterization perfect, the vocal ability not. Therefore, what

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<v Speaker 1>were media song? Well, you know, these aren't the days

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<v Speaker 1>where you, you know, hire celebrity to voice a Disney

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<v Speaker 1>character and then I have someone else sing the song.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you have someone do it all right, and

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone can hit the notes find the note. I also,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I appreciated what felt like maybe an intentionality

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<v Speaker 1>to give slightly raw vocals, like there was pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>nor raw. There was like nor the raw jar, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no there was no auto tune. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>or what I detected, I didn't hear auto. That was

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<v Speaker 1>not one of the magical powers they had. For those

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<v Speaker 1>of you that haven't seen, we're not going to spoil

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<v Speaker 1>anything but the premises. It's like a family in Colombia that,

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<v Speaker 1>um all, every member of the family kind of possesses

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<v Speaker 1>these kind of little mystical powers. Um that all come

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<v Speaker 1>down to like this magical candle that they have that

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<v Speaker 1>keeps this like living breathing house. It's it's a magical

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<v Speaker 1>dipteak candle. It's a magical dipta. It's a birato candle,

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<v Speaker 1>and it burns forever, it burns forever. Um, and this

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<v Speaker 1>it was other outside of so we lead with the

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<v Speaker 1>negative critique, but overall you and I loved the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>We've sobbed. So I will say it. The film had

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an abrupt ending and I did leave the

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<v Speaker 1>theater with my face still went from my tear phenomen

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say excited for Incanto two. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to spoil the movie, but I will say also

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful meditation on what it means to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>upgrade your home, to stop buying Ikea furniture and to

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<v Speaker 1>start investing in the Urban outfitters catalog, perhaps the Junglow

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<v Speaker 1>line at Target. Um, it's about what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>one up your interior design. I think that was I

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<v Speaker 1>love that for you as someone who doesn't own any

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<v Speaker 1>furniture from outfitters, as someone who doesn't own any furniture period.

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<v Speaker 1>That is true. Um. But I am, you know right

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<v Speaker 1>now consuming a lot of Christmas things like I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get you to watch twelve Dates of Christmas? Would

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<v Speaker 1>you like, are kind of refusing to watch? I'm not refusing,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I have it's what. It's a watch season

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Maybe a lot of things on my play,

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<v Speaker 1>But baby girl, we the way we loved fun Boy Island,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is twelve Days of Christmas is funck Boy

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<v Speaker 1>Island mixed with the bisexual season of Are You the

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<v Speaker 1>one mixed with Love? Actually a little more pan sexual.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I understood what you were saying. All I've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to think about while I'm looking at you

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<v Speaker 1>is how cozy your skims already looks. I do not

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<v Speaker 1>want you have to get over this because you keep

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<v Speaker 1>like talking about skims. It's as if it's like this

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<v Speaker 1>dirty secret you have but you every time you buy

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<v Speaker 1>a new item, you tweet about it and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, l O L no, I but another skim.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, girl, just accept it. You love kim crash

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<v Speaker 1>your skim an you're a skimmy stuff. I do you

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<v Speaker 1>not a skimfluencer because they haven't sent you anything for free? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they famously do, not Like there are no skim slundcers.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no, but they're there, but they're like actual, like

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<v Speaker 1>famous people. But I do think I might need to

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<v Speaker 1>get that sweatshirt. It looks stream right. You should, you

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<v Speaker 1>should get it. Get it. Um speaking of Cozy, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to a lot of Christmas music lately and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, um, you have really told, like been

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<v Speaker 1>sending me everything. Kelly Clarkson this sea there is there

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<v Speaker 1>is a new Queen of Christmas. I'm not saying like

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<v Speaker 1>she's coming from Mariah No, no, no no, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>that right, it's the undisputed Queen of Christmas. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have known for years that Kelly Clarkson was a voice

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<v Speaker 1>in this space quite literally. Um. I love Wrapped in

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<v Speaker 1>Red and Underneath the Tree I think is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best contemporary Christmas pop songs. But Kelly Clarkson is

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<v Speaker 1>coming really hard for the Christmas season this year, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because she has a new Christmas album out. She did

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<v Speaker 1>a song with Ari question Mark. Yeah, there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>a song on her album which is called Um Santanta,

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<v Speaker 1>Can't you hear Me? Santa? Can't you hear Me? It

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<v Speaker 1>is a bob oh. And also she just covered seven

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<v Speaker 1>Rings on her talk show What Yes Wait it's so

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<v Speaker 1>she ate, she ate. But the thing is she does that.

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<v Speaker 1>She can do that till literally any song she does.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what she does every day on her show. She

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<v Speaker 1>would do that. She covers a song on her show

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<v Speaker 1>every day. I've never watched her show, but like the

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<v Speaker 1>most annoying, Like what's like the most annoying song, like

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<v Speaker 1>Felice Navidad? Like that song sucks. And I say that

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<v Speaker 1>as as a lad person, I think it's fun. Felice Navidad.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the most annoying Christmas song, point blank period. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>I love this for Kelly. I feel like, um, the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that makes seven rings is the fact that Ariana

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<v Speaker 1>Grande does not enunciate a single word. And Kelly Clarkson

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<v Speaker 1>is a theater girl, and so she will give you

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<v Speaker 1>you know what to do to die today? And lyrics

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<v Speaker 1>are important, as I was reminded this week when I,

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<v Speaker 1>out of curiosity, listened to Joshua Bassett's new song do

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<v Speaker 1>you know who Joshua Bassett is? I remember him as

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<v Speaker 1>the full subject matter of Hour You're right he is

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<v Speaker 1>the subject. He is the uh co star of Olivia's

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<v Speaker 1>from High School Musical, The musical, the series um who

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<v Speaker 1>she dated, and it is widely known is the breakup

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<v Speaker 1>that inspired sour and like most famously Driver's License and

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<v Speaker 1>trader Um. He dropped like an ep I. Guess this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I only listened to one song because I heard it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the song that was about Olivia and it's

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<v Speaker 1>called it's called crisis, and the first lyric and it

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<v Speaker 1>is my My label said to never waste a crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of all about like using pain for

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<v Speaker 1>profit in the music industry. On Wednesday, Okay, sorry, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>you wasted the crisis. This happened months and months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>like he did not, but it's still like it was trending,

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<v Speaker 1>like the girls were fighting, um he and so like

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<v Speaker 1>in the song, he basically accuses her of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reframing everything to make her look like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>more of the victim in their relationship than she actually was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he even he even eludes the fact that she

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who broke up with him and not

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<v Speaker 1>the other way around. Oh, that's a serious accustion, and

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<v Speaker 1>and that like you know, he was like reaching out

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<v Speaker 1>to her and all she was doing was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you like making the best of a crisis and

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<v Speaker 1>becoming famous from it, and you know what, baby, it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>She went to the Taylor Swift school of turning your

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<v Speaker 1>interpersonal drama into un profitable art. Yes, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's surprised going to be surprising for anyone to hear

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<v Speaker 1>that Sex and City is deeply were to me was

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<v Speaker 1>extremely formative for me. Fran was it for you? You know? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it is very easily a top three favorite TV shows

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<v Speaker 1>for me of all time. But I didn't start watching

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<v Speaker 1>it until late college, and then I think I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>finish it until I moved to New York like five

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<v Speaker 1>or six years ago. I think it's like a distinctly

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of like late twenties early thirties show because

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<v Speaker 1>they've grown out of, um, they're still really messy, but

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<v Speaker 1>they've grown out of a lot of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things that you're doing like your first like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>decade of relationships and doing relationships stuff, and now alongside

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<v Speaker 1>that they're dealing with all this adult stuff related to

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<v Speaker 1>getting an apartment, getting a job, like all, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that the show kind of followed. It is

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<v Speaker 1>people who are a little more settled into their selves

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<v Speaker 1>and their identities on their careers. Like it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>show where you know, Carrie moves to the big city

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<v Speaker 1>and like has to figure out what she wants to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she starts the show as an established writer. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else is like established in their professions. You are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dropped very immediately into all of their identities. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it's this thing that I'm now finding as I

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<v Speaker 1>get older, when all of that stuff is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>figured out, like when you have a stable job and

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<v Speaker 1>income and like basically all of your basic human needs

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<v Speaker 1>are met, then you start being like, oh, what else

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<v Speaker 1>is there to focus on love and relationships? And it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that is so ta I've never thought about it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. What do you think people think misguidedly about

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<v Speaker 1>Sex in the City. I think that people take for

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<v Speaker 1>granted the fact that despite how like problematic and of

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<v Speaker 1>its time slash dated now it is, it still is

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<v Speaker 1>a really deep show that introduces ideas that were ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of their time. That doesn't mean the whole show was

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<v Speaker 1>head of its time, but there's so many different encapsulated

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<v Speaker 1>moments and ideas that have stuck with me as a

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<v Speaker 1>person forever period, even though it's also so stupid. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have been living under a rock or I

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<v Speaker 1>guess are like a teenager and you don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>Sex in the City is about. Sex in the City

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<v Speaker 1>is based on a column that Candice Bushnell used to write,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is a fictionalized version of her named Carrie Bradshaw,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's about Carrie Bradshaw, who's a columnist for the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Star, which is not a real newspaper. She

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<v Speaker 1>writes a weekly column called Sex in the City where

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<v Speaker 1>she talks about her romantic exploits and also the exploits

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<v Speaker 1>of her friends, um, and which I also like, did

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<v Speaker 1>her friends read her column ever? And we're like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>can you stop talking about that my personal life? Okay. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>the only time that her column does affect her personal life,

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<v Speaker 1>which it should every episode, but the one episode where

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<v Speaker 1>I did was when she is dating of the politicians, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the only guy that she really should have

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<v Speaker 1>stayed Well he is what one of We'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>this later, but like it is one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>love interests for Sherry's and maybe the whole show, the

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<v Speaker 1>one who wants her to pee on him in the shower,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like such a fine ass, but that's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that okay. So if we were to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the things that people get wrong about the show,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that they get right about this show is

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<v Speaker 1>that it is so kind of prudish, prudent. Well, Harry

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<v Speaker 1>is the worst sex columnist the word. She is such

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<v Speaker 1>a prude. She wears a bra to bed, she never unless,

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<v Speaker 1>she never curses. She's like so sexually unadventurous and so boring,

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<v Speaker 1>and so she all she does is mine her friends

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<v Speaker 1>personalized for her column because she isn't getting any not

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<v Speaker 1>she's doing missionary, you know, like she just has the

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<v Speaker 1>most vanilla idea of like what it means to have sex,

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<v Speaker 1>because all of her ideas around like sex and intimacy

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<v Speaker 1>are too tied to a storybook fairy tale of what

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<v Speaker 1>love is, and I think it convolutes the goals that

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<v Speaker 1>she actually has, and therefore she doesn't have anything. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie is a romantic at heart um. But thankfully the

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<v Speaker 1>show is rounded out with characters who have different perspectives

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<v Speaker 1>on love and sex and dating and relationships. There is Miranda,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a high powered lawyer who very much is like

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<v Speaker 1>guarded and doesn't want to let love in. There's Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 1>who is you know, like um an art gallerist weirdly,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes her feel like she should be much more

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<v Speaker 1>progressive than she is. But it's actually like a park

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<v Speaker 1>Avenue Pollyanna who just wants to find Prince Charming and

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<v Speaker 1>get married. And then there's Samantha who is a publicist

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<v Speaker 1>and a very good publicist, a very good publicist and

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<v Speaker 1>a sex positive icon who just wants to fuck her

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<v Speaker 1>way through New York and has They are all like um,

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<v Speaker 1>identifiably very good at their jobs. But what's confused thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that Carrie is a columnist and still like she

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't make that much money, but she can still afford

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<v Speaker 1>like Manola blonics and an apartment that has a corner

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<v Speaker 1>you can turn. Yeah, but like this is a fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>that to me is like when people have critiques of

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<v Speaker 1>sex in the City, that one which is like, how

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<v Speaker 1>does she afford all those shoes? It's like, no, don't, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>we got big we got bigger fish to fry. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's she's independent. It's a it's a fantasy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not about that, of course, but of course you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>afford that, But like, if you really want to if

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<v Speaker 1>you really want to find like some kind of rational excuse,

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<v Speaker 1>like Carrie Bradshaw's an it girl, she is maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>a proto influencer that I was going to say, a

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<v Speaker 1>primordial influencer for sure. I feel like, um, if we

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<v Speaker 1>were to kind of create a maybe a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a rationale for the writers, I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in this age, when did the show come out?

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<v Speaker 1>So inn maybe this was before print media crashed. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember this was like during the newspaper but the

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<v Speaker 1>cave the caveman ears of the internet and in that era,

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<v Speaker 1>but actually premiered. Okay, so in that era or like

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit before that era, like writers were getting

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<v Speaker 1>paid really well, Like you could get paid like a

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<v Speaker 1>few thousand dollars to write one feature and you have

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<v Speaker 1>like a month or two to write. She definitely could

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<v Speaker 1>have made a living off of her column, but not

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<v Speaker 1>the kind, not the kind of living she had. They

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<v Speaker 1>do make allusions to, like she's in an extreme amount

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<v Speaker 1>of credit card debt. There's a you know, there's an

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<v Speaker 1>episode in season four after she's broken up with Aidan

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<v Speaker 1>where she has to like get a loan from Charlotte

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<v Speaker 1>to buy her apartment. She says, I'm literally going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the old woman who lived in her shoes. Wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>let's break this down quickly, because it's actually that she

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<v Speaker 1>needed to get a loan from Charlotte. It's that Carrie

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<v Speaker 1>looks at her bank account for the first time in

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<v Speaker 1>her adult life, and she goes, Oh, I'm a ba

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in credit card debt. Charlotte. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>lend me thirty dollars, you don't love me and you're

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<v Speaker 1>not my friend. She literally does that. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually always used to think about how much money, like

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<v Speaker 1>in that episode Carrie sees is in her checkings and

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<v Speaker 1>savings account, and have kind of like helped that to

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<v Speaker 1>myself as like, I never want to be at that

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<v Speaker 1>point where I have like as little money as carry

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<v Speaker 1>the number in it. I want to know, she says it.

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<v Speaker 1>She says she has like seven hundred in her checking

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<v Speaker 1>and like fifteen hundred and savings, and she is so

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how much credit card that she had A

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<v Speaker 1>lot I have a well. There's an episode in season one,

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<v Speaker 1>The Power of Female Sex, where Carrie Um goes to

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<v Speaker 1>buy a pair of Dulce and Gabana canceled um, fuzzy

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<v Speaker 1>shoes and the cashier cuts up her credit card because

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<v Speaker 1>the company told him to do that. Like, can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine any whatever? Can you imagine going to Trader Joe's

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, oh, the like you try to use

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<v Speaker 1>Apple Bay and they're like they told me to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>They take your phone and throw it on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we imagine your Trader Joe's cashier crushed doing That's

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<v Speaker 1>not speak of him because I'm I think I might

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<v Speaker 1>have to go there later today and he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be there, and I'm like not prepared to see him.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you said that. He's like because I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cute, you know, in his shifts. I I

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<v Speaker 1>do know when when my Trader Joe's crushed. Trader Joe's

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<v Speaker 1>cashiers are diabolical. They are trained, They're trained in the

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<v Speaker 1>art of seduction like James Bond villains. It is disgusting

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<v Speaker 1>and insidious. Speaking though, of crushes and love interests, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a huge part of Sex in the City is

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<v Speaker 1>all of the different love interests that Carrie, Samantha Brandon,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlotte have had over the years. Who is your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>of I guess like, let's start out with like the

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<v Speaker 1>big ones. Samantha, you know, she is mostly about sexual exploits,

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<v Speaker 1>but she does have some very significant relationships, which are

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<v Speaker 1>Smith Jared and Richard Wright. Charlotte has her two husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>Harry and Trey. Miranda really kind of only has Steve Um. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>she has a lot of like yeah, yeah, but Steve

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<v Speaker 1>is the main relationship. They all kind of high key dates,

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<v Speaker 1>some like really busted men. And then Carrie has big

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<v Speaker 1>Burger Aiden and Alexander fucking Petrovski. Oh, I forgot about

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, the fucking aggression guy. I forgot about this.

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<v Speaker 1>So of for for all of the women, who's your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite of their relationships? Unfortunately I am extremely basic and predictable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do think that Smith Jared is is so

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous and a really good lover to Samantha, and he

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<v Speaker 1>does invite her out. He he kind of invites her

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<v Speaker 1>out of her old ways, like he says, like, Samantha,

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<v Speaker 1>you have intimacy issues, you can't really love someone. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>showing you away that I can love you, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can still be your own woman. And I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>that was actually really well done. And even though he's

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<v Speaker 1>so much younger than her, that they are perfect, a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect match. But in terms of who I am like,

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<v Speaker 1>I have absolutely been the Miranda in a relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>at least two Steve's, if not three, and and every

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<v Speaker 1>single time it's like this guy who is an abundance

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<v Speaker 1>of like Golden Retriever esque love, like wants nothing more

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<v Speaker 1>than to just love and hold this person. And I'm Miranda,

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<v Speaker 1>like cannot understand or comprehend why someone would love me,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I hold that person at an arm's length

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<v Speaker 1>and it creates all of this at tension that that

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<v Speaker 1>rings true for me as well. I like what you

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<v Speaker 1>said about Smith, Jared. I do think that I like

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<v Speaker 1>Richard right because he's the person that first really cracks

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha open and like the relationship ends in a very

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<v Speaker 1>devastating way. But is that the one that ends with

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<v Speaker 1>the shot with a dance in the shot with the

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<v Speaker 1>shot a song and the I don't know anyways that

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<v Speaker 1>know they go swimming to a shot I song? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, um. Richard is the first person who kind

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>of makes Samantha vulnerable. And even though you know, obviously

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>we love Samantha being the like bitchy slut icon that

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 1>she is. I also like those moments where she gets vulnerable.

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Interesting about the four women's Loves Love Lives is all

0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 1>four of them, like throughout all six seasons are dealing

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>with basically one singular intimacy issue, and all all four

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.719
<v Speaker 1>of them have intimacy issues for different reasons. It's like

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Samantha has conflated like love with sex and only pursue

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>sex and can't say love around that. And then Charlotte

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.679
<v Speaker 1>has you know, a worm brain that has been you know,

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.919
<v Speaker 1>demented by I don't know, Anglo Saxon Christianity, and she

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 1>thinks that like women should be pure and wives and

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 1>like whatever, and it makes her enable unable to likely.

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I also think with her it's that she thinks that

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 1>the way things look is more important than how they

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.679
<v Speaker 1>actually are, which is what you see happen with her

0:26:55.720 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>first marriage with Trey, like is on paper the perfect

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>husband and then they have all of these intimacy issues

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>and end up getting divorced. But I mean, I am

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 1>team Tray because he's played by Kyle McLaughlin. I mean

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>that he's so fucking sexy and Kyle McLaughlin is He's

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>so good in that role it's such it's a perfect alrighty,

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>a true character like character. And he gave us Bunny McDougall,

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:25.679
<v Speaker 1>his mother, who is one of the best character she

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I honestly, I don't know if she's alive, um, but

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I wish she was going to be in and just

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>like that, I wish she was replacing Samantha right, Oh

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>my god, that would be incredible. So and so Charlotte, Yeah,

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like caught up in this idea of like being

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>a wife. And then Miranda is the quintessential like I'm

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 1>not in love with a man, I'm in love with

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 1>my job girl, Like she is like conflating herself worse

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 1>with with yes, her career and like how she goes

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>to work. And then Carrie is caught up in this

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>fairy tale esque idea of love that is an artifice

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 1>and like not real, you know. And but for me,

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>like with Charlotte specifically, I think it's such a dag

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:03.439
<v Speaker 1>that she got married to Kyle McLaughlin and had they

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 1>had never had sex, and only after they get married

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 1>she discovers that he can't get an owner. But you

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>know what, like you you think about sex in the city,

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and like when you think about the sex, you like

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>immediately think about Samantha, but I think of all of them,

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>especially in the early seasons, Charlotte has the most boyfriends

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and has the most sex because the tension comes from

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>her values like bumping up against what men wanted. And

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>also I think the fact that deep down she was

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>like an embodied sexual person as you see, Like I

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>love that scene where she and Trey are working through

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>his his impotence and like they've been talking about the

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>whole like Madonna horror dichotomy, and she's like, I'm a woman,

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not a Madonna and I'm not a horror

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>And like I think it's a really like nice moment

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 1>of her like owning her sexuality, and she gives us

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>in the early season some of the best like funniest

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>moments dealing with sexuality. Like I always think about the

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 1>scene in the cab when like one of her the

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>men she's dating, wants to do anal and so she

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>picks all the women up in a taxi and they're

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about it and like carry lights a cigarette

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and the cab drivers like you can't smoke in here,

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and she's like we're talking up the butt a cigarette

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>was required, and then the cab stopped short and Charlotte goes,

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>what was that? And they go a preview? But umm,

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>like talking about anal sex on TV, like no one

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>was doing it. To my point, That's why, like, there

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>are so many moments of the show where it's just like, oh,

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>that really was ahead of its time. I really want

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to know who your favorite like love interests were. But

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>you also reminded me of a quick moment where when

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte dates that guy who like checks all the boxes.

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>He's like basically perfect, except for the fact that every

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>time he comes he goes, you fucking horror, you fucking bitch,

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>you fucking horror. And every time he does it, she's like,

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>why did you say? He's like what, I didn't say anything,

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Like he just like blacks out. It's really funny, Like

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that is like that stays funny. That's that's another thing

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>about the show that I really adores. Like, yes, so

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>much of it is so dated, but things like that,

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like that will be funny for decades. Anyways, Who

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>were your favorite love interests? Who what we've already kind

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>of talked about like some of the other women, but

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I will say like, I think some of the biggest

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>divides are about Carrie's boyfriends, because Carrie is the main character.

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>And I do think like in a way, she's kind

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of like an avatar for the audience, Like she's a

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>little bit of an every woman. And I am not

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>team Big. I am team Aiden. I Okay, I knew

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>you were a team Aiden. However, Big is your type.

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Big is one of my type, one of your types,

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>one of my types. But I think actually Aiden's are

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 1>the men I go for, so when I go for men's.

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>So if you were to answer that question, Aiden is

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>your favorite love interest, He's for Carrie, definitely. He's Aidan

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 1>is the love interest that causes her to grow the

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>most um because of the things that she experiences through him,

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>which are cheating on someone getting engaged like Aiden really

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>forces her to grow up in a lot of ways.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And I just think he's he's really hot both times

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>he shows up when like the first time when he's

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>a little more crunchy, the second time when he's a

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>hair kind the haircut furniture designer. He makes her that

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>amazing chair that's in her apartment, which I love the

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>fact that he makes like furniture is actually like two

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 1>on the nose, and he has like a house up state,

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't he. Yes, a lot of suffered and very relatively

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the women's love interests are kind of

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 1>oriented based on the fact of whether or not their

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>love interest owns property, like the fact that, yes, that's

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>relatable people just because they had a place on Fire

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Island exactly. I definitely stayed with a guy for like

0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:00.080
<v Speaker 1>an extra month because he had like an apartment the

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Upper east Side that his parents paid for that like

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I needed to like live in from n And also,

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>let let this be said, like I think it's prescient

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that I bring up that Fire Island analogy because this

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>show was created and for all of its run helmed

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>by gay men, and even though there were a lot

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of SIS hetero women in the room, I do think

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>that these characters, to varying degrees, do not do not

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 1>actually behave like sis hetero women. They behave like gay men.

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>That is, yeah, I'm sure there's something. Yeah, And then

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and there is like an element of sex in the

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>city where it is like gay men's ideas of how

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>SIS women engage in the world. Yes, oh my god,

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>like oh my god. That's so oh my god, Rose,

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you just blew my mind with that. That's so true

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.719
<v Speaker 1>because like they're so kind of like again like very

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>rudimentary ideas of like sex and intimacy, because intimacy, because

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 1>like gay men have these issues, and like, if there's

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>one thing we have to thank Michael Patrick King for

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 1>it is that he is an arbiter of gay idiot culture.

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>And that, to me is like something the show does

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>really well is like these moments where it doesn't matter

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>how many times I rewatch it. When Samantha has sex

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>on viagra for the first time, I will rewatch that

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>scene over and over again until I die. There is

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>nothing funnier another episode that does feel like it's it's

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>something that happened to a gay man, Yes, exactly, but

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think the seeds of that are planted

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>really early on. You know, there is obviously Sex in

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the City is a big part of queer culture, and

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>there's so much potential for queer readings of it, and

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the show itself sets it up from the very beginning.

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, Carrie's first question in the entire show, you know,

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously she has a question in every episode. Her first

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>question is can women have sex like men? Which is

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like the show starts off with this gender subversion. We're

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>blowing my mind right now, Rose dam I never thought

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 1>about I have thought very deeply and critically about sex

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 1>in the City, and I also consume a lot of

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 1>like very smart people's takes on sex in the City. Um,

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.320
<v Speaker 1>if you want, you know, like a more continuous version

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of this conversation we're having today, I would definitely recommend

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you check out the podcast. So I got to thinking,

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>which is um, Juno Dawson and Dylan P. Jones. They

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>go through episode by episode and give like a contemporary

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 1>queer reading of sex in the City. But as I

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>was saying, you know, the show starts in this place

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>where I think women had and I think they even

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 1>say this in the show, Um, this is the first

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:43.919
<v Speaker 1>time in the history of the world. They do say

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>this in the first episode, this is the first time

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 1>in the history of the world that women have had

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.919
<v Speaker 1>as much money and power as men, And that very

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 1>It's a great pilot episode that it like very succinctly

0:34:56.280 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>sets up the worldview, the universe and the you know,

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.839
<v Speaker 1>the questions that the show will will be exploring and

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them are like very deeply about gender

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and sexuality in ways that like, yes, I think have

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 1>been you know, largely applied as the show has grown

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 1>in popularity, have been largely applied to since hetero relationships.

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>But there there is queerness insects in the city, both

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like what's on the page and on

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the screen, and also the people who are behind the

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>scenes and in you know, the people who are consuming

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 1>it and like applying it to the ways that we

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 1>think about ourselves, our identities and relationships. So you have

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>very you have given a very salient reading of like

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 1>implicit queerness in the show, gender role reversal, gay men

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>as avatars for these women, etcetera. Um. But there is

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 1>also like literal quote unquote queer characters and moments in

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:09.959
<v Speaker 1>the show. Well, I mean Stanford Blatch, Willie Garson rest

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>in peace. We've talked about him on this podcast before

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>he died a couple of months ago. I think a

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 1>lot about the episode where Carrie does a runway show

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>with Dolce and Gabana canceled um, and there they basically

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 1>keep making things for her and she's not really satisfied

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 1>with them, and no one's really listening to her, and

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Stanford is like behind is like behind the scenes on

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the Runway show. She's like all dolled up, and she's

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>frustrated because she feels like she's not being set up

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>for success. And she turns to Stanford and I wonder

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>if they did this knowingly or unknowingly. But she turns

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to Stanford and she says, Stanford, no one is listening

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 1>to me. All they're doing is telling me I'm fabulous.

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>And to me, it's like a very meta moment because

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the failure of Stanford as a character is that all

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 1>the women and characters of the show do exact like

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.799
<v Speaker 1>that to Stanford, Like, he has a lot of like

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>human moments and a lot of nuance, but for the

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>most part, he is and the quintessential like accessory of

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>like a friend, and more often than not, they don't

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 1>care about his life or his interior and interiority. They're

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like, oh my god, Standford, your fabulous.

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 1>He has a couple of you know, like b plots

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 1>in episodes, but the fact that they made him marry

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that asshole like like that it's so annoying. You know.

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about the second movie a bit, but like

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it's so it's so basic, like Michael Patrick King really

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>to have the only two gay characters in the show

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>marry each other when they have actively hated each other

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>for the entire series. And not just that, but like

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the guy, the guy that isn't Stanford Anthony Marantina a

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>great actor, but the character openly makes fun of Stanford's

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>appearance constantly, even like at his wedding, And it's like

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 1>that to me, was that's hard to watch, Like and

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I someone who loves crass humor, loves like asshole humor,

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 1>loves veep stuff like that. It just didn't transcend. Yeah,

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:10.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's like too easy, like try harder, write better.

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 1>But that is, you know, throughout Sex in the City,

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Like obviously, you know, we say this is a show

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>that is very of its time. That means that the

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 1>times when queerness was presented in explicit ways, it was

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>very very of the moment um in uh not not

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>great ways, like you know, of course, there is the

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 1>episode in which Carry dates a bisexual man and like

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:44.720
<v Speaker 1>completely repeatedly invalidates his identity. Easily one of my favorite

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>episodes to date because so profoundly bad. Yes, and she

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>does kiss Atlanta's morrist at the end of the game

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>of spin the bottle. My favorite part about that climax is, like,

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, she spent the whole episode being very dubious

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 1>of queerness by sexuals, that it's even a real thing.

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Like Samantha has this whole moment where she checks her

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and to me, it feels like it's reading on cultural

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 1>sentiment at the time. Maybe criticism of the show at

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 1>the time was Carrie, why are you supprued? And there's

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>a moment where Samantha maybe the writers took this into

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.760
<v Speaker 1>account or like took this feedback. Samantha says to Carry,

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 1>like carry for a sex calumnist, you're pretty close minded, Like,

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>which is such tea, such tea? And I don't know

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 1>how they weren't, you know, saying that to her every

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>episode every episode. But one of the one of the

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>few episodes that like explore that has a queer subplot

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 1>that I think actually kind of gets it right a

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 1>little better is the one where Charlotte Um becomes friends

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>with like the lesbian mafia who are buying paintings from

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>her art gallery and like really wants to be one

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.760
<v Speaker 1>of them and like it like shows off this really cool,

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>fun rich group of hot lesbians. And ultimately, like Charlotte

0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:01.919
<v Speaker 1>is told, baby, if you're not gay, you can't hang

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>with us. You can't keep like you know, like string

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 1>so long. Um, and she's like, if you don't eat pussy,

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't belong here. Yeah, but I do. I do

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>like that that like moment of a queer person asserting

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:19.879
<v Speaker 1>that a straight person can't literally gatekeeping in the best

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 1>way possible. But that the resolution of that episode, to me,

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>what I was saying before about the bisexual episode has

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 1>like a similar kind of like like kind of like

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 1>resolution where the characters kind of spend this whole arc

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.360
<v Speaker 1>being like very doubtful of like a queer culture that

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 1>any of this is real, and then they have this

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>crystallizing moment i e. Kissing Alanis Morisset or Charlotte deciding

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 1>whether or not she's going to go on this ski

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>trip with these art buying lesbian mafia people, and um,

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, after she kisses Alanas Morrisset carries just like,

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>well called me old fashioned, but I'm a homophobe, and

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>she like walks down like the kind of like Brooklyn Warehouse,

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>like walk up, and she's like, I also love that

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>in that that episode, she's like devastated by the prospect

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.720
<v Speaker 1>of like going to Brooklyn, Like she like doesn't consider

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>it like a viable thing. But at the end of

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the chart of that Charlotte episode, I I do love

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.879
<v Speaker 1>that she kind of maybe understands her place. And both

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.720
<v Speaker 1>of these women in these two episodes, respectively, are looking

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to be included in our basic are struggling with the

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.240
<v Speaker 1>idea of being included in something that they don't actually

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 1>belong to, something that isn't for them, something that isn't

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>for them, and they, as white women, cannot actually fathom that,

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's why they get as far as they do,

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Yes, Um, And you know

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>there's there's other little moments of queerness, like the episode

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>where UM one of shares and it's it's funny how

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte is the one who kind of like and keeps

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:48.319
<v Speaker 1>interacting with this UM. Charlotte has a client and an

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.839
<v Speaker 1>artist of the gallery who does these UM takes these

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 1>photos of drag kings and has her dress up in drag.

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's when she's in drag that she becomes like

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 1>sexually powerful and that the man is like into her,

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's like such a great moment of gender fuckory

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 1>with no explicit kind of like you know, criticism on

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 1>like the gender of it all. It's so like unset,

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 1>but it's still all there. Yeah, and um, of course

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you know Samantha does date a woman, Maria, Maria, I

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>just I just like my my favorite moment of that

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 1>whole thing is when Samantha takes them out to dinner

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.400
<v Speaker 1>to tell them and she goes, yes, ladies, I'm a lesbian,

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and Miranda's like sitting right there like the fun you

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, like I and the women have

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 1>like the worst reaction to her telling them that. Like,

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 1>of course, we've all had that experience of you go

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>out with a friend, they tell you something, and then

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>you leave with your other friends and you just spend

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the whole walk home talking shit about this. That is

0:42:56.320 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>extremely relatable. It is also still very problem out. Yeah

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.359
<v Speaker 1>it's sucked up, but you know, not to give these

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>women the benefit benefit of the doubt, but Samantha is

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm a lesbian, yes, And Samantha is very prone to

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 1>one hyperbole like, ladies, I'm a yes, but to like

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 1>saying shitty things for attention, like Samantha loves doing that,

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and so I think they are kind of trying to.

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Samantha speaks in memes, yes, yeah, she does,

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're they're both they're obviously being like openly homophobic

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>about it, but they but they down to the bottom.

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>They see they understand Samantha, Samantha's character and her personality,

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and that there's something about this relationship that is doesn't

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 1>quite lader up now now I'm just thinking about like

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 1>iconic sex and the City Line readings that I have

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>to say this before I forget it. But when Miranda

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 1>finds out she's pregnant, Um, there's the scene where she

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>and Carrie go to get pizza afterwards and they're like

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about what how Steve wants her to keep the baby,

0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and Carrie's like, well, what if you did? And Miranda's like,

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what, You're right, Fuck my life, I'm having

0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Steve's baby pizza for everybody. And it is like the

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>one of the funniest moments in sex in this Do

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you think that Miranda should have had the baby? Yeah?

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.399
<v Speaker 1>You do? Yeah, I thought that she shouldn't have had

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the baby. I actually like that it is. I think

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 1>her keeping the baby is so much more interesting from

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 1>a story perspective when when you're thinking about Miranda specifically,

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:25.879
<v Speaker 1>and it does turn the character of Miranda on her head,

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, oh yeah, it's it's what forces her to

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>open up a diametric and let love in. Um. While

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, you know, problematic queerness as it is

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 1>represented in Sex in the City, we have to talk

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>about season three, episode eighteen, cockadoodle do do we have

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it? So earlier in season three, Samantha

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.720
<v Speaker 1>moves to the fashionable meatpacking district, which, as Carrie said,

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 1>is full of friendly neighborhood transsexual And it should be

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>also quickly mentioned that in season three there is a

0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 1>tree odd of what are maybe the three of the

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 1>most problematic episodes of the show, which is the episodehere

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Carry dates a bisexual and then right after that the

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 1>episode where Samantha dates a black guy, and that's the

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 1>whole plot is the fact that she's that he's black.

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 1>And then this third episode where this the trans women

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 1>in her neighborhood are like introduced. Yes, in the last

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 1>episode of the season, you know, Samantha is trying to

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>live her best life in the meatpacking district, but she

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 1>can't because there are you know, trans sex workers out

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.919
<v Speaker 1>her window who are making too much noise, and she

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 1>like calls them like basically every slur you can call

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 1>a trans person um refers to their anatomy and really

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>gross ways as to all the other women's. Um. She

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 1>uh pours a pot of water out the window onto

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 1>one of them, UM like and yeah, and they throw

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>eggs at her in retaliation um. And then ultimately the

0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:04.320
<v Speaker 1>episode and with them all having a lovely barbecue together

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>on her roof when they again like make a joke

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 1>about one of their you know, Genitalia. I forgot that

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 1>they have this like kumbayam moment and and oh and

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and Carrie definitely does like a black scent um in

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.719
<v Speaker 1>that in that episode, which is like so, but she

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>is wearing an amazing vintage Louis of Baton like romper

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>while she does it, So I guess it's okay. I wonder,

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and this is like so complicated to an earth like

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what my reaction was to it watching it

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 1>for the first time. I also wonder, well, when when

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 1>did you watch it for the first time when it

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>was airing. I mean, like, where were you in your life?

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 1>I was a teenager so and I'm also wondering though, like,

0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>even though this is awful representation, was this one of

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 1>the first times that I understood what a transperson was?

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Did Sex in the City introduce me to that? Like,

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>because I'm trying to think of what other portrayals I

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 1>would have seen, and they would have been like ace Ventura,

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Rocky horror picture show, and then probably this episode of

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Sex in the City. Yeah, so like as problematic, which

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I hate that word because it's just like

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:24.440
<v Speaker 1>so overused. Um, but it in a way like is

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 1>was part of me even forming like the beginnings of

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:33.880
<v Speaker 1>an understanding of trans identity. So that is that is

0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the legacy of this of of like this era where

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, um, there was all of this media being

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 1>made that kind of like popped the lid off of

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 1>how people were living like more progressively in cities like

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 1>New York. Like you know, they were putting queer people

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.279
<v Speaker 1>on the TV screens of people in Middle America, but

0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, not not in the best way. You know,

0:47:56.920 --> 0:48:00.399
<v Speaker 1>New York City really is like this adjust as you're

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:04.319
<v Speaker 1>saying a fifth character in the show, but it's not

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the real New York City. It's like, um, an Emerald

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 1>City version of New York City. It's like a New

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>York City where everything in that city is exaggerated. And

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>something that I do appreciate about the fact that it

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:18.280
<v Speaker 1>may have moved so many people to New York City

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>or you know, in the reverse, injected a lot of

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>things that Manhattanites were talking about, um into the rest

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of the country where they're not talking about, which must

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:32.080
<v Speaker 1>have been like maybe for some people of barrier of

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>entry because um, you know, we were texting about Gossip

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Girl this week and you were saying, like, this feels

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>so insider baseball, Like they're making all of these references

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:44.799
<v Speaker 1>that like, how could people who don't live in New

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>York even understand them? And I was saying, well, like

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:50.719
<v Speaker 1>that was the whole thing that the original Gossip Girl did,

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>which was really following the Sex and the City playbook.

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, they were talking about places and things and

0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:00.120
<v Speaker 1>references that people who are watching the show, like know,

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:03.720
<v Speaker 1>in the Midwest or like in Florida or like whatever,

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.319
<v Speaker 1>still still enjoying it and having no idea what they

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 1>were talking about still love Broad City, and that's like

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>all New York, but it also created this fantasy version

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:17.799
<v Speaker 1>of New York City that then the people who eventually

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 1>went there, they're going expecting the New York City of

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:25.200
<v Speaker 1>sex in the City. And I do think like that

0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:30.839
<v Speaker 1>fantasy version of New York like does exist for the

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:32.799
<v Speaker 1>people who believe in it, who go there and who

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 1>like go on Sex in the City tours, and like

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 1>even me, you know, I, um, when I moved to

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles last year, my last weekend in New York,

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.319
<v Speaker 1>my best friend and I did, like he he had

0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:47.040
<v Speaker 1>rented a car, and like we went around to all

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:49.400
<v Speaker 1>my favorite places in the city and not even just

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 1>my favorite places, but like the most kind of like

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>quintessentially New York places. Um, we went to CATS's Delhi,

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:01.920
<v Speaker 1>We went to mid Town and went to Wicked. Um

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:04.400
<v Speaker 1>like not I mean, this was during the pandemic, so

0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:06.239
<v Speaker 1>obviously wasn't open. We didn't see the show, but we

0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 1>just like went to the theater by the Wicked Theater,

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and and we like went by my old apartment on

0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the Lower East Side and we went to Carrie Bradshaw's apartment,

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>which is in the West Village, like her apartment is

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>like in the show is uptown. That's like the actual

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:27.280
<v Speaker 1>like building that they filmed in is in the West Village.

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.959
<v Speaker 1>And there's like a little there's a little sign, there's

0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:31.839
<v Speaker 1>like a little chain so that you won't go on

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the steps. And where do you go after that? To

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Magnolia Bakery because because it's right around the corner, and

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.320
<v Speaker 1>like also is like a Sex in the City like spot,

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 1>because there's a scene where Carrie and Miranda have cupcakes

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>outside of it, and like Sex in the City put

0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 1>places like Magnolia Bakery on the map, which we are

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 1>not grateful for. We don't need Magnolia Bakery on the map.

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:58.360
<v Speaker 1>And it's because of the prevalence of Magnolia Bakery that

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 1>after you know, those moments in the show, all of

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, every block had a fucking cupcake shop and

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the arrow where do you not like cupcakes? Cupcakes are stupid?

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.040
<v Speaker 1>They are there. First of all, cake in general is

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.680
<v Speaker 1>like an unfinished idea. Okay, I have I have no

0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>space to hold I'm not holding space for that conversation. Well,

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 1>that's because vanilla dessert. You are a vanilla cake with

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>vanilla Frosting Girl, and that says everything that Magnolie Bakery.

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>They're not the best cupcakes in New York. I do

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:30.240
<v Speaker 1>think the best cupcakes in New York are at Billy's

0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Bakery and Chelsea on Avenue. But I will not hear

0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:52.480
<v Speaker 1>cakes slander on this podcast. Well, you know, we're talking

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 1>about kind of the legacy of Sex in the City

0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and the ways in which it has like stuck around

0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>in pop culture. You know, the show ended UM and

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the set, but it didn't really end because then, of

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:10.240
<v Speaker 1>course we had Sex in the City the movie, which

0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I do remember like going to see the midnight release

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:18.240
<v Speaker 1>of UM. I think the first movie is really good

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 1>UM and a great translation of the series to that medium,

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:29.720
<v Speaker 1>but Sex in the City to Oh my God rotted.

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think they're both really bad in very

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 1>different ways. But you and I watched the second movie

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:40.000
<v Speaker 1>together and it had been a long time since i'd

0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:42.280
<v Speaker 1>seen it, and I mean, for the versions, they must

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.399
<v Speaker 1>know that. Like we clicked it on, we were like, oh,

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think we were like winding down for

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:48.400
<v Speaker 1>the evening. We're like, let's just watch the first fifteen

0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>minutes of this, and then we watched the whole thing.

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>And it's not it's not a short movie. No, it's not.

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:56.640
<v Speaker 1>And and I will I will definitely I can say

0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 1>without a doubt if it's not the most problematic movie

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I've ever scene, it's like one of the most egregiously

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 1>problematic movies I've ever seen, for reasons we don't need

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:10.759
<v Speaker 1>to get into, but are mostly around what um the

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:15.440
<v Speaker 1>writer's idea of like the Middle East is. Yeah, you know,

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.439
<v Speaker 1>I do. I had forgotten about this. There is one

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:22.280
<v Speaker 1>scene in the movie that I really like that UM,

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to have stuck with me. And it's the

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 1>scene where Charlotte and Miranda have a drink at their

0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:32.839
<v Speaker 1>hotel and talk about like how hard it is leaving

0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.880
<v Speaker 1>their kids at home. And it's the first time in

0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe the entirety of the show, um, except for UM,

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 1>some of the scenes around when Miranda was pregnant and

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.520
<v Speaker 1>there was the tension because Charlotte hadn't been able to

0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:50.919
<v Speaker 1>conceive where Miranda and Charlotte acknowledge that there's this thing

0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:54.040
<v Speaker 1>that that unites them, which is motherhood. That the two

0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 1>characters don't have a ton of like moments together in general. Yeah, UM,

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 1>this thing that unites them, which is mother hood that

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the other two women don't share with them, don't want

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to share with them, and like really can't understand and

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:09.799
<v Speaker 1>it and I think it's a really nice scene in

0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:15.080
<v Speaker 1>an otherwise terrible movie. I so, I I think, um,

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:22.239
<v Speaker 1>culturally it's terrible, but I would rewatch that movie unfortunately anytime,

0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh to see Liza Minnelli sing single Ladies. And also

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, I mean we can. I mean we

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 1>don't even need to get into the wedding, but I

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 1>do think, you know what, one of the greatest cultural

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:37.399
<v Speaker 1>contributions of that year, Liza Minnelli covering single Ladies, I mean,

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:41.680
<v Speaker 1>one of Beyonce's best songs, most beloved songs, really what

0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 1>put Beyonce on the map. Yeah, definitely, definitely for the

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>virgins that don't know we are being facetious, it is

0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:51.720
<v Speaker 1>not Beyonce's best song. But like I I unfortunately really

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and again problematic. But my favorite scene in the movie,

0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:58.240
<v Speaker 1>aside from the scene that you named, which I remember

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.440
<v Speaker 1>like watching it together and we had just been watching

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 1>scene after scene after scene after scene of like the

0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 1>worst garbage, laugh out loud trash we had ever watched,

0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:10.360
<v Speaker 1>and then that scene happened, and we both kind of

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:12.319
<v Speaker 1>turned to each other and we were like, oh, that

0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 1>was that was really nice, Like you know about this,

0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 1>like we recognize it immediately. But right after that, there's

0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.720
<v Speaker 1>this scene where you know, they're kind of like rushing

0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 1>out to catch their like Emirates flight or whatever out

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 1>of the out of the country, and um, they need

0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the soup to like get Carrie's

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 1>wallet or something. And as they're rushing through the soup,

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Samantha's like bag breaks open while she's like in heat.

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.600
<v Speaker 1>She's been off her like menopause meds, which I like

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>as an ark for her character and all that stuff,

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:50.359
<v Speaker 1>and he literally she's readers out there literal heat and

0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.759
<v Speaker 1>also and she's having a hot flash. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:54.839
<v Speaker 1>that's what they call it, right, I know that I'm

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>being Yeah, um, when all the condoms spill out on

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:01.479
<v Speaker 1>the floor and they know, like all the people around

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 1>them are like, oh my god, these women have sex.

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:06.360
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. And she stands up and she holds the

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 1>condoms in her hand. She's like, yes, condoms, condoms. Yes.

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:16.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's just like moments like that where it's like, okay,

0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:21.319
<v Speaker 1>like the show can handle handle slapstick. Samantha especially does

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:26.600
<v Speaker 1>slapstick so well, so well, and Carrie does too sometimes.

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:30.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think, um, the main issue with the movies,

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and like I know you said they're bad, I don't

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 1>think the first one is bad. I think the first

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 1>one is a great movie, well setting aside of course

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.919
<v Speaker 1>the Jennifer Hudson stuff. Oh and also speaking of Jennifer Hudson,

0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:43.720
<v Speaker 1>if anyone wants to see someone bring up the Uglyton

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Purse to Jennifer Hudson in person, I did that when

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed her at the Cats. What did she say

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>about it? Um, she thought it was very funny that

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was super ugly, but she liked it.

0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 1>But you can you can go look on my Instagram

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:59.440
<v Speaker 1>into that interview. Um. I think the problem with the

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:04.640
<v Speaker 1>film is that they, like of course, as Sex in

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 1>the City went on, it became less and less grounded

0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:10.759
<v Speaker 1>in any sort of reality or like realistic version of

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:14.279
<v Speaker 1>New York City, and both Sex in the City the

0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:17.160
<v Speaker 1>movie and Sex in the City to what they increasingly

0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:23.000
<v Speaker 1>do is they completely detached and blast off from reality

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and Sex in the City to just like does not

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 1>take place in our world? And what I am kind

0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:34.440
<v Speaker 1>of seeing from all of the like trailers and promo

0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 1>we've seen from and just like that, which is the

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Sex in the City UM continuation reboot revival show that

0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:44.760
<v Speaker 1>actually launches the same day as this podcast episode. It

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 1>does look like it's attempting to bring those characters back

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:56.680
<v Speaker 1>to some kind of reality. You see. I guess we'll

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>see how they do the in the writing. To me,

0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:01.080
<v Speaker 1>that feels like it'll almost like ruin makes the show good.

0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like what I enjoy about the show are

0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:07.240
<v Speaker 1>its moments of a reality how it is so as

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you said, like off from this plane that we're on

0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like human relationships. Um, but you know,

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I do you know it could happen. Yeah, but I

0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:20.120
<v Speaker 1>do think it's kind of like the only way it

0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:26.840
<v Speaker 1>works and also like and also the only like justifiable

0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:31.360
<v Speaker 1>reason to bring it back because we are, like, especially

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 1>in the moment we're living in, like still in a

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:37.760
<v Speaker 1>global pandemic, is like we definitely don't want to see

0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:43.720
<v Speaker 1>the same level of like fantastical extravagance that that like

0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I think Sex in the City was known for, Like

0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to see these characters be just a little

0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:53.200
<v Speaker 1>bit more grounded in reality, And I think like since

0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 1>it was first teased, like do you remember this time

0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:59.200
<v Speaker 1>last year, the first teaser for and just like that

0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:01.920
<v Speaker 1>came out and was this kind of like grainy video

0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.960
<v Speaker 1>on the subway, and not to me was like a

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:08.439
<v Speaker 1>signaling of Okay, this is taking place in a more

0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.360
<v Speaker 1>realistic version of New York than we have ever seen,

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:16.000
<v Speaker 1>because none of these girls have ever taken never ever.

0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 1>And I think I think Carrie is on the subway

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>at some point, and and just like that, I hope

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't suffer from you know, something that I

0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:33.840
<v Speaker 1>think is a reboot problem, wherein the show is way

0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 1>too obsessed with the idea of correcting what was wrong

0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:42.280
<v Speaker 1>with the original to create a good story for the reboot.

0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that happens with things like you know, the

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Will and Grace reboot and others like it. Um, I

0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:50.960
<v Speaker 1>do as you're saying it, Like I have faith that

0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 1>like Sex and the City is one of these singular

0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:58.880
<v Speaker 1>things that because it is actually all around such a

0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:02.800
<v Speaker 1>good show and such good characters, that it does have

1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the capacity to evolve and still be entertaining. I really

1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:09.480
<v Speaker 1>hope that that's true. Yeah, what I wanted to do

1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:15.640
<v Speaker 1>is apply the critique to the show in a way that,

1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:18.400
<v Speaker 1>at least from the casting it looks like is actually

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:22.200
<v Speaker 1>it's actually doing without getting to as you said, caught

1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:25.560
<v Speaker 1>up in like see we learned our lesson. We have

1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:30.680
<v Speaker 1>sat Ramirez playing a podcaster, um, which I do feel

1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.800
<v Speaker 1>like right now we're giving very much. You know, Carrie

1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Bradshaw's podcast. Okay, so she does have a podcast in

1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the region. I think so at least that's what it

1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:43.160
<v Speaker 1>looks like. Either she's like a guest on someone's podcast

1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:46.360
<v Speaker 1>or she has a podcast. And she also, weirdly was

1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:48.920
<v Speaker 1>wearing the Heart of the Ocean necklace from Titan I

1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:51.880
<v Speaker 1>never would have noticed that, but that is so Yeah,

1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I saw your tweet about that. It's so true. The looks,

1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I must say, like some of them have been good.

1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:00.920
<v Speaker 1>They're not quite giving what there's us to give. But

1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:05.880
<v Speaker 1>that is like because Patricia Field is not part of

1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the reboot, and Patricia Field is what made Sex in

1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the City the fashion jugger, not that it was. And

1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of course I want to know what the tea is

1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:20.200
<v Speaker 1>with Samantha because as we all know by now, Kim

1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Cantrall refused to do the reboot because of tensions between

1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:27.760
<v Speaker 1>her and Sarah Jessica Park that were like season's long tension,

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole I think, the whole show, which is like

1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:34.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of devastating to know that they hated each other,

1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:39.280
<v Speaker 1>because their chemistry is incredible and I think, and I

1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:43.240
<v Speaker 1>think like more than any of Carrie's singular relationships with

1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:47.000
<v Speaker 1>other women, the relationship between Carrie and Samantha is my

1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:52.479
<v Speaker 1>favorite because Carry is the only person who Samantha lets

1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:56.560
<v Speaker 1>herself be vulnerable with. Carrie gets that out of her,

1:01:57.160 --> 1:02:00.120
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's it's just sad to know that

1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:04.760
<v Speaker 1>that was maybe all acting and that they hated each other.

1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:08.439
<v Speaker 1>But obviously Kim Cantrell was asked over and over again

1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:11.680
<v Speaker 1>about her involvement in the reboot, and she said something

1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to the effect of, like, I don't ever want to

1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:17.360
<v Speaker 1>be in a situation for even an hour when I'm

1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:22.720
<v Speaker 1>not enjoying myself, which is gold, which which has been

1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:25.240
<v Speaker 1>like you know, refracted through the internet to just the

1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:26.600
<v Speaker 1>meme of I don't ever want to be in a

1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:32.960
<v Speaker 1>situation which I you know, rings for me. Well, no

1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:35.160
<v Speaker 1>matter our thoughts on the show, I think it must

1:02:35.200 --> 1:02:38.480
<v Speaker 1>be said that, you know, the person that Carrie was

1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:43.880
<v Speaker 1>destined to be with was Miranda. Yeah, it wasn't Miranda,

1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:46.360
<v Speaker 1>it was No, it was actually John Sladdery's character. Like

1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Carrie really could have enjoyed a life of love, happiness,

1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:52.959
<v Speaker 1>being wiped up with an extremely successful man while getting

1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:56.400
<v Speaker 1>piste on and wearing vintage Halston, Yes, wearing vintage Halston.

1:02:57.000 --> 1:02:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Being a piss queen, the piss queen that we know

1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:02.920
<v Speaker 1>should piss are go piss girl. Um. Now I think

1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:05.960
<v Speaker 1>it's time to talk about the question that you know,

1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:10.480
<v Speaker 1>like which Hogwarts house are you? Is like a touchstone

1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:14.479
<v Speaker 1>of like I guess we'll say, like millennial BuzzFeed culture. Yeah,

1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:17.160
<v Speaker 1>this is actually kind of insufferable. I feel bad for

1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the gen zs that listen to this podcast. But you

1:03:20.120 --> 1:03:22.840
<v Speaker 1>know who who? Which of the Sex and the City

1:03:22.880 --> 1:03:25.760
<v Speaker 1>girls are you? Well? Actually, which one do you think

1:03:25.800 --> 1:03:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I am? Rose? Um? Okay, you can only pick one

1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and on this sun Moon Rising ship. Okay, Um, I'm

1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:41.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna say you are a Miranda. That's correct, Yeah, that's correct. Yeah,

1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I would say that you are I mean, okay, I

1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:52.400
<v Speaker 1>actually would say that you're a Samantha. But I think

1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you know that you're Carrie. That is rings true for me.

1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:02.240
<v Speaker 1>It has been kind of the like not struggle, but

1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:05.040
<v Speaker 1>like evolution of my life. Is when I first watched

1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the show when I was a teenager, I was like,

1:04:08.280 --> 1:04:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Carry. And then when I got older and

1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like sex in the City became something I liked in

1:04:15.120 --> 1:04:18.080
<v Speaker 1>um maybe a more ironic way, which you know, we

1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:20.600
<v Speaker 1>we reject. And when you get to that irony period,

1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:24.120
<v Speaker 1>you grow to hate carry, yes, and you go to

1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:26.160
<v Speaker 1>hate carry, which is something I've held on to carry

1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:30.000
<v Speaker 1>is not a good um. So like at that point

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<v Speaker 1>in my life, I you know, it was like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a Samantha. Now I have swung back around and like

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<v Speaker 1>I see the parts of Carry that I don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>our things that I don't like in myself, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do I think I'm a Carry, which in a way

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<v Speaker 1>is like kind of the most boring answer, because like

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie is kind of meant to be a person that

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<v Speaker 1>you can like that you can graft yourself and your

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<v Speaker 1>identity onto pretty easily. And when it comes to side

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<v Speaker 1>by side comparison, I mean it starts with your shopping addiction.

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<v Speaker 1>It starts with my shopping addiction and my propensity for

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<v Speaker 1>wearing Bras to bed, you know, you're like I would

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<v Speaker 1>never but you know, it's I think it's about like

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie is incredibly selfish and also but like if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being more generous, like carry as a person who asks questions,

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<v Speaker 1>who is very curious about the world, like unfortunately a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it dead ends with her own experience. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have like that same level of curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, as I talked already about why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a lot like Miranda, I think that self involved

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<v Speaker 1>nous is you know, maybe an attribute that all of

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<v Speaker 1>the women have, and I see that in Miranda. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the conflation of like self worth with your

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<v Speaker 1>career and how that makes you like hold men at

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<v Speaker 1>an arm's length. But I will also say that you

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<v Speaker 1>and I do have a lot of Samantha esque qualities,

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<v Speaker 1>even if we're not Samantha. And every time I take

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<v Speaker 1>a quiz, do get Samantha even though I know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a Miranda. Well, you know, I think next week we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit more about if any of our

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<v Speaker 1>hypotheses about and just like that came true, And next

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<v Speaker 1>week we will be talking about a truly one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite holiday movies Last Holiday starring Queen Latifa Canon

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<v Speaker 1>and we will be having Ira Madison, the third Queen

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<v Speaker 1>Latifa Expert, to come on in and give us a

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<v Speaker 1>little holiday episode. So please, um, if you have never

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<v Speaker 1>seen it, watch Last Holiday, pay for it if you must.

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<v Speaker 1>You can call to confess a thing that you just

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<v Speaker 1>are so obsessed with. You have to show your best

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<v Speaker 1>friend what it is. You can call us at three

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<v Speaker 1>to three pennants that is three to three seven three

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<v Speaker 1>six to six to three. Also, please um tweet us

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts about this week's episode. I want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a Samantha or you a Charlotte? Are your Miranda?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a Carry? Are you a Stanford? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>a funky spunk guy? Who you know? Who are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the funky spunk guy. I also will say we've

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<v Speaker 1>been getting a lot of great reviews on Apple podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Please keep leaving them. I'm Rose Damn You. You can

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<v Speaker 1>to hear what you think. Like a Virgin is an

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<v Speaker 1>I Heeart radio production. Our producer is Phoebe Unter, who

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<v Speaker 1>does identify as a Samantha, with support from Lindsay Hoffman,

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<v Speaker 1>Julian Weller, Just Cranechitch and Nikki Etre. Until next week,

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<v Speaker 1>See you later, Virgins Lulu, Dude, dude, dude, you really

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<v Speaker 1>hit that last note. Thank you so much. On the

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