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Speaker 1: but you might have a little Samantha in there. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's the corect answer. That's right. Okay, well, definitely not Charlotte. Okay,

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Speaker 1: love you bye, love you by John Donna. John, Dump dump,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like we have our new theme music that

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Speaker 1: you're looking for. Honestly, I feel like I'm giving day

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Speaker 1: Kim control. We are invoking your name today. You are

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Speaker 1: But social culturally, a lot of people are treating her

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Speaker 1: Samantha is the one that figured it out, both in

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Speaker 1: there's actually huge toxicity and dysfunctionality to this friend group,

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Speaker 1: and I'm out, Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a little trip to New York City, a

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about Carrie, Miranda, Charlotte and Samantha.

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about Charlotte. We will have anything to say.

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Speaker 1: I will talk about Charlotte and her shiny shiny hair

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Speaker 1: of course. Um, this is like a Virgin the show

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Speaker 1: where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose

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Speaker 1: Damo and I'm fran Toronto. Unlike Carrie, who only was

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's good look at what's going on

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Speaker 1: and watching so many of my ex funk buddies post

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Speaker 1: about the fact that they again, for the third year

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Speaker 1: of Ariana Grande listeners. Very so grateful to know that

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Speaker 1: my top five artists this year were no surprised to me.

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Speaker 1: Number one Taylor Swift, obviously Taylor Allison Swift. Say her name,

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Speaker 1: Number two was Lord, No surprise there. I love Lord.

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Speaker 1: She had a new album come out this year, and

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Speaker 1: Number three Kate Bush, Yes, God, I listened. I mean

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Speaker 1: Number five Phoebe Bridgers. This was the year that I

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Speaker 1: became a Phoebe Bridgers stand What what are Bridgers stands called?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, little little skeletons, corpses. Yeah, well I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there's a stand name. Have you seen Have you

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Speaker 1: showing you away that I can love you, but you

426
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: can still be your own woman. And I thought that

427
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: that was actually really well done. And even though he's

428
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: so much younger than her, that they are perfect, a

429
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: perfect match. But in terms of who I am like,

430
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: I have absolutely been the Miranda in a relationship with

431
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: at least two Steve's, if not three, and and every

432
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: single time it's like this guy who is an abundance

433
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: of like Golden Retriever esque love, like wants nothing more

434
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: than to just love and hold this person. And I'm Miranda,

435
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: like cannot understand or comprehend why someone would love me,

436
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: and so I hold that person at an arm's length

437
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: and it creates all of this at tension that that

438
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: rings true for me as well. I like what you

439
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: said about Smith, Jared. I do think that I like

440
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: Richard right because he's the person that first really cracks

441
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: Samantha open and like the relationship ends in a very

442
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: devastating way. But is that the one that ends with

443
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: the shot with a dance in the shot with the

444
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: shot a song and the I don't know anyways that

445
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: know they go swimming to a shot I song? Um?

446
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: But yes, um. Richard is the first person who kind

447
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: of makes Samantha vulnerable. And even though you know, obviously

448
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: we love Samantha being the like bitchy slut icon that

449
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: she is. I also like those moments where she gets vulnerable.

450
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: Interesting about the four women's Loves Love Lives is all

451
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: four of them, like throughout all six seasons are dealing

452
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: with basically one singular intimacy issue, and all all four

453
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: of them have intimacy issues for different reasons. It's like

454
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: Samantha has conflated like love with sex and only pursue

455
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: sex and can't say love around that. And then Charlotte

456
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: has you know, a worm brain that has been you know,

457
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: demented by I don't know, Anglo Saxon Christianity, and she

458
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: thinks that like women should be pure and wives and

459
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: like whatever, and it makes her enable unable to likely.

460
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: I also think with her it's that she thinks that

461
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: the way things look is more important than how they

462
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: actually are, which is what you see happen with her

463
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: first marriage with Trey, like is on paper the perfect

464
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: husband and then they have all of these intimacy issues

465
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: and end up getting divorced. But I mean, I am

466
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: team Tray because he's played by Kyle McLaughlin. I mean

467
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: that he's so fucking sexy and Kyle McLaughlin is He's

468
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: so good in that role it's such it's a perfect alrighty,

469
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: a true character like character. And he gave us Bunny McDougall,

470
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: his mother, who is one of the best character she

471
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't know if she's alive, um, but

472
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: I wish she was going to be in and just

473
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: like that, I wish she was replacing Samantha right, Oh

474
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: my god, that would be incredible. So and so Charlotte, Yeah,

475
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: it's like caught up in this idea of like being

476
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: a wife. And then Miranda is the quintessential like I'm

477
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: not in love with a man, I'm in love with

478
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: my job girl, Like she is like conflating herself worse

479
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: with with yes, her career and like how she goes

480
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: to work. And then Carrie is caught up in this

481
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: fairy tale esque idea of love that is an artifice

482
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: and like not real, you know. And but for me,

483
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: like with Charlotte specifically, I think it's such a dag

484
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: that she got married to Kyle McLaughlin and had they

485
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: had never had sex, and only after they get married

486
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: she discovers that he can't get an owner. But you

487
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: know what, like you you think about sex in the city,

488
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: and like when you think about the sex, you like

489
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: immediately think about Samantha, but I think of all of them,

490
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: especially in the early seasons, Charlotte has the most boyfriends

491
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: and has the most sex because the tension comes from

492
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: her values like bumping up against what men wanted. And

493
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: also I think the fact that deep down she was

494
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: like an embodied sexual person as you see, Like I

495
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: love that scene where she and Trey are working through

496
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: his his impotence and like they've been talking about the

497
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: whole like Madonna horror dichotomy, and she's like, I'm a woman,

498
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a Madonna and I'm not a horror

499
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: And like I think it's a really like nice moment

500
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: of her like owning her sexuality, and she gives us

501
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: in the early season some of the best like funniest

502
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: moments dealing with sexuality. Like I always think about the

503
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: scene in the cab when like one of her the

504
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: men she's dating, wants to do anal and so she

505
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: picks all the women up in a taxi and they're

506
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: they're talking about it and like carry lights a cigarette

507
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: and the cab drivers like you can't smoke in here,

508
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: and she's like we're talking up the butt a cigarette

509
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: was required, and then the cab stopped short and Charlotte goes,

510
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: what was that? And they go a preview? But umm,

511
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: like talking about anal sex on TV, like no one

512
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: was doing it. To my point, That's why, like, there

513
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: are so many moments of the show where it's just like, oh,

514
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: that really was ahead of its time. I really want

515
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: to know who your favorite like love interests were. But

516
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: you also reminded me of a quick moment where when

517
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Charlotte dates that guy who like checks all the boxes.

518
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: He's like basically perfect, except for the fact that every

519
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: time he comes he goes, you fucking horror, you fucking bitch,

520
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: you fucking horror. And every time he does it, she's like,

521
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: why did you say? He's like what, I didn't say anything,

522
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: Like he just like blacks out. It's really funny, Like

523
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: that is like that stays funny. That's that's another thing

524
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: about the show that I really adores. Like, yes, so

525
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: much of it is so dated, but things like that,

526
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: it's like that will be funny for decades. Anyways, Who

527
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: were your favorite love interests? Who what we've already kind

528
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: of talked about like some of the other women, but

529
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: I will say like, I think some of the biggest

530
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: divides are about Carrie's boyfriends, because Carrie is the main character.

531
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: And I do think like in a way, she's kind

532
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: of like an avatar for the audience, Like she's a

533
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: little bit of an every woman. And I am not

534
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: team Big. I am team Aiden. I Okay, I knew

535
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: you were a team Aiden. However, Big is your type.

536
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: Big is one of my type, one of your types,

537
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: one of my types. But I think actually Aiden's are

538
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: the men I go for, so when I go for men's.

539
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: So if you were to answer that question, Aiden is

540
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: your favorite love interest, He's for Carrie, definitely. He's Aidan

541
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: is the love interest that causes her to grow the

542
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: most um because of the things that she experiences through him,

543
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: which are cheating on someone getting engaged like Aiden really

544
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: forces her to grow up in a lot of ways.

545
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: And I just think he's he's really hot both times

546
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: he shows up when like the first time when he's

547
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: a little more crunchy, the second time when he's a

548
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: hair kind the haircut furniture designer. He makes her that

549
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: amazing chair that's in her apartment, which I love the

550
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: fact that he makes like furniture is actually like two

551
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: on the nose, and he has like a house up state,

552
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: doesn't he. Yes, a lot of suffered and very relatively

553
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the women's love interests are kind of

554
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: oriented based on the fact of whether or not their

555
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: love interest owns property, like the fact that, yes, that's

556
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: relatable people just because they had a place on Fire

557
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: Island exactly. I definitely stayed with a guy for like

558
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: an extra month because he had like an apartment the

559
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: Upper east Side that his parents paid for that like

560
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: I needed to like live in from n And also,

561
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: let let this be said, like I think it's prescient

562
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: that I bring up that Fire Island analogy because this

563
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: show was created and for all of its run helmed

564
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: by gay men, and even though there were a lot

565
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: of SIS hetero women in the room, I do think

566
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: that these characters, to varying degrees, do not do not

567
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: actually behave like sis hetero women. They behave like gay men.

568
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: That is, yeah, I'm sure there's something. Yeah, And then

569
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: and there is like an element of sex in the

570
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: city where it is like gay men's ideas of how

571
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: SIS women engage in the world. Yes, oh my god,

572
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: like oh my god. That's so oh my god, Rose,

573
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: you just blew my mind with that. That's so true

574
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: because like they're so kind of like again like very

575
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: rudimentary ideas of like sex and intimacy, because intimacy, because

576
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: like gay men have these issues, and like, if there's

577
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: one thing we have to thank Michael Patrick King for

578
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: it is that he is an arbiter of gay idiot culture.

579
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: And that, to me is like something the show does

580
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: really well is like these moments where it doesn't matter

581
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: how many times I rewatch it. When Samantha has sex

582
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: on viagra for the first time, I will rewatch that

583
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: scene over and over again until I die. There is

584
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: nothing funnier another episode that does feel like it's it's

585
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: something that happened to a gay man, Yes, exactly, but

586
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think the seeds of that are planted

587
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: really early on. You know, there is obviously Sex in

588
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: the City is a big part of queer culture, and

589
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: there's so much potential for queer readings of it, and

590
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: the show itself sets it up from the very beginning.

591
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: You know, Carrie's first question in the entire show, you know,

592
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: obviously she has a question in every episode. Her first

593
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: question is can women have sex like men? Which is

594
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: like the show starts off with this gender subversion. We're

595
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: blowing my mind right now, Rose dam I never thought

596
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: about I have thought very deeply and critically about sex

597
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: in the City, and I also consume a lot of

598
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: like very smart people's takes on sex in the City. Um,

599
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: if you want, you know, like a more continuous version

600
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: of this conversation we're having today, I would definitely recommend

601
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: you check out the podcast. So I got to thinking,

602
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: which is um, Juno Dawson and Dylan P. Jones. They

603
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: go through episode by episode and give like a contemporary

604
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: queer reading of sex in the City. But as I

605
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, the show starts in this place

606
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: where I think women had and I think they even

607
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: say this in the show, Um, this is the first

608
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: time in the history of the world. They do say

609
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: this in the first episode, this is the first time

610
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: in the history of the world that women have had

611
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: as much money and power as men, And that very

612
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: It's a great pilot episode that it like very succinctly

613
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: sets up the worldview, the universe and the you know,

614
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: the questions that the show will will be exploring and

615
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: a lot of them are like very deeply about gender

616
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: and sexuality in ways that like, yes, I think have

617
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: been you know, largely applied as the show has grown

618
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: in popularity, have been largely applied to since hetero relationships.

619
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: But there there is queerness insects in the city, both

620
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: in terms of like what's on the page and on

621
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: the screen, and also the people who are behind the

622
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: scenes and in you know, the people who are consuming

623
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: it and like applying it to the ways that we

624
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: think about ourselves, our identities and relationships. So you have

625
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: very you have given a very salient reading of like

626
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: implicit queerness in the show, gender role reversal, gay men

627
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: as avatars for these women, etcetera. Um. But there is

628
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: also like literal quote unquote queer characters and moments in

629
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 1: the show. Well, I mean Stanford Blatch, Willie Garson rest

630
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: in peace. We've talked about him on this podcast before

631
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: he died a couple of months ago. I think a

632
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: lot about the episode where Carrie does a runway show

633
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: with Dolce and Gabana canceled um, and there they basically

634
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: keep making things for her and she's not really satisfied

635
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: with them, and no one's really listening to her, and

636
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: Stanford is like behind is like behind the scenes on

637
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: the Runway show. She's like all dolled up, and she's

638
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: frustrated because she feels like she's not being set up

639
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: for success. And she turns to Stanford and I wonder

640
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: if they did this knowingly or unknowingly. But she turns

641
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: to Stanford and she says, Stanford, no one is listening

642
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: to me. All they're doing is telling me I'm fabulous.

643
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: And to me, it's like a very meta moment because

644
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: the failure of Stanford as a character is that all

645
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: the women and characters of the show do exact like

646
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: that to Stanford, Like, he has a lot of like

647
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: human moments and a lot of nuance, but for the

648
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: most part, he is and the quintessential like accessory of

649
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: like a friend, and more often than not, they don't

650
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: care about his life or his interior and interiority. They're

651
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh my god, Standford, your fabulous.

652
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: He has a couple of you know, like b plots

653
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: in episodes, but the fact that they made him marry

654
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: that asshole like like that it's so annoying. You know.

655
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the second movie a bit, but like

656
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: it's so it's so basic, like Michael Patrick King really

657
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: to have the only two gay characters in the show

658
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: marry each other when they have actively hated each other

659
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: for the entire series. And not just that, but like

660
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: the guy, the guy that isn't Stanford Anthony Marantina a

661
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: great actor, but the character openly makes fun of Stanford's

662
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: appearance constantly, even like at his wedding, And it's like

663
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: that to me, was that's hard to watch, Like and

664
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I someone who loves crass humor, loves like asshole humor,

665
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: loves veep stuff like that. It just didn't transcend. Yeah,

666
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: it's just it's like too easy, like try harder, write better.

667
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: But that is, you know, throughout Sex in the City,

668
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: Like obviously, you know, we say this is a show

669
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: that is very of its time. That means that the

670
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: times when queerness was presented in explicit ways, it was

671
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: very very of the moment um in uh not not

672
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: great ways, like you know, of course, there is the

673
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: episode in which Carry dates a bisexual man and like

674
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: completely repeatedly invalidates his identity. Easily one of my favorite

675
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: episodes to date because so profoundly bad. Yes, and she

676
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: does kiss Atlanta's morrist at the end of the game

677
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: of spin the bottle. My favorite part about that climax is, like,

678
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, she spent the whole episode being very dubious

679
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: of queerness by sexuals, that it's even a real thing.

680
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Like Samantha has this whole moment where she checks her

681
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: and to me, it feels like it's reading on cultural

682
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: sentiment at the time. Maybe criticism of the show at

683
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: the time was Carrie, why are you supprued? And there's

684
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: a moment where Samantha maybe the writers took this into

685
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: account or like took this feedback. Samantha says to Carry,

686
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: like carry for a sex calumnist, you're pretty close minded, Like,

687
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: which is such tea, such tea? And I don't know

688
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: how they weren't, you know, saying that to her every

689
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: episode every episode. But one of the one of the

690
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: few episodes that like explore that has a queer subplot

691
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: that I think actually kind of gets it right a

692
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: little better is the one where Charlotte Um becomes friends

693
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: with like the lesbian mafia who are buying paintings from

694
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: her art gallery and like really wants to be one

695
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: of them and like it like shows off this really cool,

696
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: fun rich group of hot lesbians. And ultimately, like Charlotte

697
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: is told, baby, if you're not gay, you can't hang

698
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: with us. You can't keep like you know, like string

699
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: so long. Um, and she's like, if you don't eat pussy,

700
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: you don't belong here. Yeah, but I do. I do

701
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: like that that like moment of a queer person asserting

702
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: that a straight person can't literally gatekeeping in the best

703
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: way possible. But that the resolution of that episode, to me,

704
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: what I was saying before about the bisexual episode has

705
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: like a similar kind of like like kind of like

706
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: resolution where the characters kind of spend this whole arc

707
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: being like very doubtful of like a queer culture that

708
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: any of this is real, and then they have this

709
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: crystallizing moment i e. Kissing Alanis Morisset or Charlotte deciding

710
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: whether or not she's going to go on this ski

711
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: trip with these art buying lesbian mafia people, and um,

712
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, after she kisses Alanas Morrisset carries just like,

713
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: well called me old fashioned, but I'm a homophobe, and

714
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: she like walks down like the kind of like Brooklyn Warehouse,

715
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: like walk up, and she's like, I also love that

716
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: in that that episode, she's like devastated by the prospect

717
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: of like going to Brooklyn, Like she like doesn't consider

718
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: it like a viable thing. But at the end of

719
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: the chart of that Charlotte episode, I I do love

720
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: that she kind of maybe understands her place. And both

721
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: of these women in these two episodes, respectively, are looking

722
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: to be included in our basic are struggling with the

723
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: idea of being included in something that they don't actually

724
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: belong to, something that isn't for them, something that isn't

725
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: for them, and they, as white women, cannot actually fathom that,

726
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: and that's why they get as far as they do,

727
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, Um, And you know

728
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: there's there's other little moments of queerness, like the episode

729
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: where UM one of shares and it's it's funny how

730
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: Charlotte is the one who kind of like and keeps

731
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: interacting with this UM. Charlotte has a client and an

732
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: artist of the gallery who does these UM takes these

733
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: photos of drag kings and has her dress up in drag.

734
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: And it's when she's in drag that she becomes like

735
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: sexually powerful and that the man is like into her,

736
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: and it's like such a great moment of gender fuckory

737
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: with no explicit kind of like you know, criticism on

738
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: like the gender of it all. It's so like unset,

739
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: but it's still all there. Yeah, and um, of course

740
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: you know Samantha does date a woman, Maria, Maria, I

741
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: just I just like my my favorite moment of that

742
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: whole thing is when Samantha takes them out to dinner

743
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: to tell them and she goes, yes, ladies, I'm a lesbian,

744
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: and Miranda's like sitting right there like the fun you

745
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like I and the women have

746
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: like the worst reaction to her telling them that. Like,

747
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: of course, we've all had that experience of you go

748
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: out with a friend, they tell you something, and then

749
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: you leave with your other friends and you just spend

750
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: the whole walk home talking shit about this. That is

751
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: extremely relatable. It is also still very problem out. Yeah

752
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: it's sucked up, but you know, not to give these

753
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: women the benefit benefit of the doubt, but Samantha is

754
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm a lesbian, yes, And Samantha is very prone to

755
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: one hyperbole like, ladies, I'm a yes, but to like

756
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: saying shitty things for attention, like Samantha loves doing that,

757
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: and so I think they are kind of trying to.

758
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Samantha speaks in memes, yes, yeah, she does,

759
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: and they're they're both they're obviously being like openly homophobic

760
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: about it, but they but they down to the bottom.

761
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: They see they understand Samantha, Samantha's character and her personality,

762
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: and that there's something about this relationship that is doesn't

763
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: quite lader up now now I'm just thinking about like

764
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: iconic sex and the City Line readings that I have

765
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: to say this before I forget it. But when Miranda

766
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: finds out she's pregnant, Um, there's the scene where she

767
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: and Carrie go to get pizza afterwards and they're like

768
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: talking about what how Steve wants her to keep the baby,

769
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: and Carrie's like, well, what if you did? And Miranda's like,

770
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right, Fuck my life, I'm having

771
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: Steve's baby pizza for everybody. And it is like the

772
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: one of the funniest moments in sex in this Do

773
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: you think that Miranda should have had the baby? Yeah?

774
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: You do? Yeah, I thought that she shouldn't have had

775
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: the baby. I actually like that it is. I think

776
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: her keeping the baby is so much more interesting from

777
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: a story perspective when when you're thinking about Miranda specifically,

778
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: and it does turn the character of Miranda on her head,

779
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, it's it's what forces her to

780
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: open up a diametric and let love in. Um. While

781
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you know, problematic queerness as it is

782
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: represented in Sex in the City, we have to talk

783
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: about season three, episode eighteen, cockadoodle do do we have

784
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: to talk about it? So earlier in season three, Samantha

785
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: moves to the fashionable meatpacking district, which, as Carrie said,

786
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: is full of friendly neighborhood transsexual And it should be

787
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: also quickly mentioned that in season three there is a

788
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: tree odd of what are maybe the three of the

789
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: most problematic episodes of the show, which is the episodehere

790
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: Carry dates a bisexual and then right after that the

791
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: episode where Samantha dates a black guy, and that's the

792
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: whole plot is the fact that she's that he's black.

793
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: And then this third episode where this the trans women

794
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: in her neighborhood are like introduced. Yes, in the last

795
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: episode of the season, you know, Samantha is trying to

796
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: live her best life in the meatpacking district, but she

797
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: can't because there are you know, trans sex workers out

798
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: her window who are making too much noise, and she

799
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: like calls them like basically every slur you can call

800
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: a trans person um refers to their anatomy and really

801
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: gross ways as to all the other women's. Um. She

802
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: uh pours a pot of water out the window onto

803
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: one of them, UM like and yeah, and they throw

804
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: eggs at her in retaliation um. And then ultimately the

805
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: episode and with them all having a lovely barbecue together

806
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: on her roof when they again like make a joke

807
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: about one of their you know, Genitalia. I forgot that

808
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: they have this like kumbayam moment and and oh and

809
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: and Carrie definitely does like a black scent um in

810
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: that in that episode, which is like so, but she

811
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: is wearing an amazing vintage Louis of Baton like romper

812
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: while she does it, So I guess it's okay. I wonder,

813
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: and this is like so complicated to an earth like

814
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: I wonder what my reaction was to it watching it

815
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: for the first time. I also wonder, well, when when

816
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: did you watch it for the first time when it

817
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: was airing. I mean, like, where were you in your life?

818
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: I was a teenager so and I'm also wondering though, like,

819
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: even though this is awful representation, was this one of

820
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: the first times that I understood what a transperson was?

821
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Did Sex in the City introduce me to that? Like,

822
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to think of what other portrayals I

823
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: would have seen, and they would have been like ace Ventura,

824
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: Rocky horror picture show, and then probably this episode of

825
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: Sex in the City. Yeah, so like as problematic, which

826
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, I hate that word because it's just like

827
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: so overused. Um, but it in a way like is

828
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: was part of me even forming like the beginnings of

829
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: an understanding of trans identity. So that is that is

830
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: the legacy of this of of like this era where

831
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, um, there was all of this media being

832
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: made that kind of like popped the lid off of

833
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: how people were living like more progressively in cities like

834
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: New York. Like you know, they were putting queer people

835
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: on the TV screens of people in Middle America, but

836
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, not not in the best way. You know,

837
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: New York City really is like this adjust as you're

838
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: saying a fifth character in the show, but it's not

839
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: the real New York City. It's like, um, an Emerald

840
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: City version of New York City. It's like a New

841
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: York City where everything in that city is exaggerated. And

842
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: something that I do appreciate about the fact that it

843
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: may have moved so many people to New York City

844
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: or you know, in the reverse, injected a lot of

845
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: things that Manhattanites were talking about, um into the rest

846
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: of the country where they're not talking about, which must

847
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: have been like maybe for some people of barrier of

848
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: entry because um, you know, we were texting about Gossip

849
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: Girl this week and you were saying, like, this feels

850
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: so insider baseball, Like they're making all of these references

851
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: that like, how could people who don't live in New

852
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: York even understand them? And I was saying, well, like

853
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: that was the whole thing that the original Gossip Girl did,

854
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: which was really following the Sex and the City playbook.

855
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: You know, they were talking about places and things and

856
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: references that people who are watching the show, like know,

857
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: in the Midwest or like in Florida or like whatever,

858
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: still still enjoying it and having no idea what they

859
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: were talking about still love Broad City, and that's like

860
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: all New York, but it also created this fantasy version

861
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: of New York City that then the people who eventually

862
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: went there, they're going expecting the New York City of

863
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: sex in the City. And I do think like that

864
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: fantasy version of New York like does exist for the

865
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: people who believe in it, who go there and who

866
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: like go on Sex in the City tours, and like

867
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: even me, you know, I, um, when I moved to

868
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles last year, my last weekend in New York,

869
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: my best friend and I did, like he he had

870
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: rented a car, and like we went around to all

871
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: my favorite places in the city and not even just

872
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: my favorite places, but like the most kind of like

873
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: quintessentially New York places. Um, we went to CATS's Delhi,

874
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: We went to mid Town and went to Wicked. Um

875
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: like not I mean, this was during the pandemic, so

876
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: obviously wasn't open. We didn't see the show, but we

877
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: just like went to the theater by the Wicked Theater,

878
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: and and we like went by my old apartment on

879
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: the Lower East Side and we went to Carrie Bradshaw's apartment,

880
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: which is in the West Village, like her apartment is

881
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: like in the show is uptown. That's like the actual

882
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: like building that they filmed in is in the West Village.

883
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: And there's like a little there's a little sign, there's

884
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: like a little chain so that you won't go on

885
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: the steps. And where do you go after that? To

886
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: Magnolia Bakery because because it's right around the corner, and

887
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: like also is like a Sex in the City like spot,

888
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: because there's a scene where Carrie and Miranda have cupcakes

889
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: outside of it, and like Sex in the City put

890
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: places like Magnolia Bakery on the map, which we are

891
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: not grateful for. We don't need Magnolia Bakery on the map.

892
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: And it's because of the prevalence of Magnolia Bakery that

893
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: after you know, those moments in the show, all of

894
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, every block had a fucking cupcake shop and

895
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: the arrow where do you not like cupcakes? Cupcakes are stupid?

896
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: They are there. First of all, cake in general is

897
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: like an unfinished idea. Okay, I have I have no

898
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: space to hold I'm not holding space for that conversation. Well,

899
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: that's because vanilla dessert. You are a vanilla cake with

900
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: vanilla Frosting Girl, and that says everything that Magnolie Bakery.

901
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: They're not the best cupcakes in New York. I do

902
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: think the best cupcakes in New York are at Billy's

903
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: Bakery and Chelsea on Avenue. But I will not hear

904
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: cakes slander on this podcast. Well, you know, we're talking

905
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: about kind of the legacy of Sex in the City

906
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: and the ways in which it has like stuck around

907
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: in pop culture. You know, the show ended UM and

908
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: the set, but it didn't really end because then, of

909
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: course we had Sex in the City the movie, which

910
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: I do remember like going to see the midnight release

911
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: of UM. I think the first movie is really good

912
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: UM and a great translation of the series to that medium,

913
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: but Sex in the City to Oh my God rotted.

914
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're both really bad in very

915
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: different ways. But you and I watched the second movie

916
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: together and it had been a long time since i'd

917
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: seen it, and I mean, for the versions, they must

918
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: know that. Like we clicked it on, we were like, oh,

919
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think we were like winding down for

920
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: the evening. We're like, let's just watch the first fifteen

921
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: minutes of this, and then we watched the whole thing.

922
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: And it's not it's not a short movie. No, it's not.

923
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: And and I will I will definitely I can say

924
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: without a doubt if it's not the most problematic movie

925
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: I've ever scene, it's like one of the most egregiously

926
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: problematic movies I've ever seen, for reasons we don't need

927
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: to get into, but are mostly around what um the

928
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: writer's idea of like the Middle East is. Yeah, you know,

929
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: I do. I had forgotten about this. There is one

930
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: scene in the movie that I really like that UM,

931
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: I want to have stuck with me. And it's the

932
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: scene where Charlotte and Miranda have a drink at their

933
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: hotel and talk about like how hard it is leaving

934
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: their kids at home. And it's the first time in

935
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: maybe the entirety of the show, um, except for UM,

936
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: some of the scenes around when Miranda was pregnant and

937
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: there was the tension because Charlotte hadn't been able to

938
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 1: conceive where Miranda and Charlotte acknowledge that there's this thing

939
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: that that unites them, which is motherhood. That the two

940
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: characters don't have a ton of like moments together in general. Yeah, UM,

941
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: this thing that unites them, which is mother hood that

942
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: the other two women don't share with them, don't want

943
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: to share with them, and like really can't understand and

944
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: it and I think it's a really nice scene in

945
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: an otherwise terrible movie. I so, I I think, um,

946
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: culturally it's terrible, but I would rewatch that movie unfortunately anytime,

947
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: Oh to see Liza Minnelli sing single Ladies. And also

948
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I mean we can. I mean we

949
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: don't even need to get into the wedding, but I

950
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: do think, you know what, one of the greatest cultural

951
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: contributions of that year, Liza Minnelli covering single Ladies, I mean,

952
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: one of Beyonce's best songs, most beloved songs, really what

953
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: put Beyonce on the map. Yeah, definitely, definitely for the

954
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: virgins that don't know we are being facetious, it is

955
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: not Beyonce's best song. But like I I unfortunately really

956
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: and again problematic. But my favorite scene in the movie,

957
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: aside from the scene that you named, which I remember

958
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: like watching it together and we had just been watching

959
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: scene after scene after scene after scene of like the

960
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: worst garbage, laugh out loud trash we had ever watched,

961
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: and then that scene happened, and we both kind of

962
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: turned to each other and we were like, oh, that

963
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: was that was really nice, Like you know about this,

964
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: like we recognize it immediately. But right after that, there's

965
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: this scene where you know, they're kind of like rushing

966
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: out to catch their like Emirates flight or whatever out

967
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: of the out of the country, and um, they need

968
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: to go back to the soup to like get Carrie's

969
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: wallet or something. And as they're rushing through the soup,

970
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: Samantha's like bag breaks open while she's like in heat.

971
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: She's been off her like menopause meds, which I like

972
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: as an ark for her character and all that stuff,

973
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: and he literally she's readers out there literal heat and

974
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: also and she's having a hot flash. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

975
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: that's what they call it, right, I know that I'm

976
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: being Yeah, um, when all the condoms spill out on

977
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 1: the floor and they know, like all the people around

978
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: them are like, oh my god, these women have sex.

979
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And she stands up and she holds the

980
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: condoms in her hand. She's like, yes, condoms, condoms. Yes.

981
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: It's like it's just like moments like that where it's like, okay,

982
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: like the show can handle handle slapstick. Samantha especially does

983
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: slapstick so well, so well, and Carrie does too sometimes.

984
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: But I think, um, the main issue with the movies,

985
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: and like I know you said they're bad, I don't

986
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: think the first one is bad. I think the first

987
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: one is a great movie, well setting aside of course

988
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: the Jennifer Hudson stuff. Oh and also speaking of Jennifer Hudson,

989
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: if anyone wants to see someone bring up the Uglyton

990
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: Purse to Jennifer Hudson in person, I did that when

991
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: I interviewed her at the Cats. What did she say

992
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: about it? Um, she thought it was very funny that

993
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was super ugly, but she liked it.

994
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: But you can you can go look on my Instagram

995
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: into that interview. Um. I think the problem with the

996
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: film is that they, like of course, as Sex in

997
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: the City went on, it became less and less grounded

998
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: in any sort of reality or like realistic version of

999
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: New York City, and both Sex in the City the

1000
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: movie and Sex in the City to what they increasingly

1001
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: do is they completely detached and blast off from reality

1002
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: and Sex in the City to just like does not

1003
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: take place in our world? And what I am kind

1004
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: of seeing from all of the like trailers and promo

1005
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: we've seen from and just like that, which is the

1006
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: Sex in the City UM continuation reboot revival show that

1007
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: actually launches the same day as this podcast episode. It

1008
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: does look like it's attempting to bring those characters back

1009
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: to some kind of reality. You see. I guess we'll

1010
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: see how they do the in the writing. To me,

1011
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: that feels like it'll almost like ruin makes the show good.

1012
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: It's almost like what I enjoy about the show are

1013
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: its moments of a reality how it is so as

1014
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: you said, like off from this plane that we're on

1015
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: in terms of like human relationships. Um, but you know,

1016
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: I do you know it could happen. Yeah, but I

1017
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: do think it's kind of like the only way it

1018
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: works and also like and also the only like justifiable

1019
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: reason to bring it back because we are, like, especially

1020
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: in the moment we're living in, like still in a

1021
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: global pandemic, is like we definitely don't want to see

1022
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: the same level of like fantastical extravagance that that like

1023
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: I think Sex in the City was known for, Like

1024
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: I want to see these characters be just a little

1025
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: bit more grounded in reality, And I think like since

1026
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: it was first teased, like do you remember this time

1027
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: last year, the first teaser for and just like that

1028
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: came out and was this kind of like grainy video

1029
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: on the subway, and not to me was like a

1030
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: signaling of Okay, this is taking place in a more

1031
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: realistic version of New York than we have ever seen,

1032
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: because none of these girls have ever taken never ever.

1033
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: And I think I think Carrie is on the subway

1034
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: at some point, and and just like that, I hope

1035
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: that it doesn't suffer from you know, something that I

1036
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: think is a reboot problem, wherein the show is way

1037
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: too obsessed with the idea of correcting what was wrong

1038
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: with the original to create a good story for the reboot.

1039
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: I think that happens with things like you know, the

1040
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: Will and Grace reboot and others like it. Um, I

1041
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: do as you're saying it, Like I have faith that

1042
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: like Sex and the City is one of these singular

1043
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: things that because it is actually all around such a

1044
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: good show and such good characters, that it does have

1045
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: the capacity to evolve and still be entertaining. I really

1046
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: hope that that's true. Yeah, what I wanted to do

1047
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: is apply the critique to the show in a way that,

1048
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: at least from the casting it looks like is actually

1049
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: it's actually doing without getting to as you said, caught

1050
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: up in like see we learned our lesson. We have

1051
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: sat Ramirez playing a podcaster, um, which I do feel

1052
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: like right now we're giving very much. You know, Carrie

1053
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: Bradshaw's podcast. Okay, so she does have a podcast in

1054
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: the region. I think so at least that's what it

1055
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: looks like. Either she's like a guest on someone's podcast

1056
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: or she has a podcast. And she also, weirdly was

1057
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: wearing the Heart of the Ocean necklace from Titan I

1058
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: never would have noticed that, but that is so Yeah,

1059
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: I saw your tweet about that. It's so true. The looks,

1060
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: I must say, like some of them have been good.

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Speaker 1: They're not quite giving what there's us to give. But

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Speaker 1: that is like because Patricia Field is not part of

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Speaker 1: the reboot, and Patricia Field is what made Sex in

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Speaker 1: the City the fashion jugger, not that it was. And

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Speaker 1: of course I want to know what the tea is

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Speaker 1: with Samantha because as we all know by now, Kim

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Speaker 1: Cantrall refused to do the reboot because of tensions between

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Speaker 1: her and Sarah Jessica Park that were like season's long tension,

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Speaker 1: the whole I think, the whole show, which is like

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Speaker 1: kind of devastating to know that they hated each other,

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Speaker 1: because their chemistry is incredible and I think, and I

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Speaker 1: think like more than any of Carrie's singular relationships with

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Speaker 1: other women, the relationship between Carrie and Samantha is my

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Speaker 1: favorite because Carry is the only person who Samantha lets

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Speaker 1: herself be vulnerable with. Carrie gets that out of her,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's just sad to know that

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Speaker 1: that was maybe all acting and that they hated each other.

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Speaker 1: But obviously Kim Cantrell was asked over and over again

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Speaker 1: about her involvement in the reboot, and she said something

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Speaker 1: to the effect of, like, I don't ever want to

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Speaker 1: be in a situation for even an hour when I'm

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Speaker 1: not enjoying myself, which is gold, which which has been

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01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: like you know, refracted through the internet to just the

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Speaker 1: meme of I don't ever want to be in a

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01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: situation which I you know, rings for me. Well, no

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Speaker 1: matter our thoughts on the show, I think it must

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: be said that, you know, the person that Carrie was

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01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: destined to be with was Miranda. Yeah, it wasn't Miranda,

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01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: it was No, it was actually John Sladdery's character. Like

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Speaker 1: Carrie really could have enjoyed a life of love, happiness,

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01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,959
Speaker 1: being wiped up with an extremely successful man while getting

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01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: piste on and wearing vintage Halston, Yes, wearing vintage Halston.

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Speaker 1: Being a piss queen, the piss queen that we know

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01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: should piss are go piss girl. Um. Now I think

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: it's time to talk about the question that you know,

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01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: like which Hogwarts house are you? Is like a touchstone

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 1: of like I guess we'll say, like millennial BuzzFeed culture. Yeah,

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01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: this is actually kind of insufferable. I feel bad for

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01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: the gen zs that listen to this podcast. But you

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Speaker 1: know who who? Which of the Sex and the City

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01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: girls are you? Well? Actually, which one do you think

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Speaker 1: I am? Rose? Um? Okay, you can only pick one

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01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: and on this sun Moon Rising ship. Okay, Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say you are a Miranda. That's correct, Yeah, that's correct. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say that you are I mean, okay, I

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Speaker 1: actually would say that you're a Samantha. But I think

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Speaker 1: you know that you're Carrie. That is rings true for me.

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Speaker 1: It has been kind of the like not struggle, but

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01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: like evolution of my life. Is when I first watched

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Speaker 1: the show when I was a teenager, I was like,

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01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm a Carry. And then when I got older and

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Speaker 1: like sex in the City became something I liked in

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Speaker 1: um maybe a more ironic way, which you know, we

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Speaker 1: we reject. And when you get to that irony period,

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Speaker 1: you grow to hate carry, yes, and you go to

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01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: hate carry, which is something I've held on to carry

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Speaker 1: is not a good um. So like at that point

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Speaker 1: in my life, I you know, it was like I'm

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Speaker 1: a Samantha. Now I have swung back around and like

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Speaker 1: I see the parts of Carry that I don't like,

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Speaker 1: our things that I don't like in myself, and I

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Speaker 1: do I think I'm a Carry, which in a way

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Speaker 1: is like kind of the most boring answer, because like

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Speaker 1: Carrie is kind of meant to be a person that

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Speaker 1: you can like that you can graft yourself and your

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Speaker 1: identity onto pretty easily. And when it comes to side

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Speaker 1: by side comparison, I mean it starts with your shopping addiction.

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01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: It starts with my shopping addiction and my propensity for

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: wearing Bras to bed, you know, you're like I would

1130
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Speaker 1: never but you know, it's I think it's about like

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01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: Carrie is incredibly selfish and also but like if I'm

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Speaker 1: being more generous, like carry as a person who asks questions,

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Speaker 1: who is very curious about the world, like unfortunately a

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Speaker 1: lot of it dead ends with her own experience. But

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Speaker 1: I think I have like that same level of curiosity.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, as I talked already about why

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Speaker 1: I'm a lot like Miranda, I think that self involved

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Speaker 1: nous is you know, maybe an attribute that all of

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Speaker 1: the women have, and I see that in Miranda. For me,

1140
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Speaker 1: it's like the conflation of like self worth with your

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01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: career and how that makes you like hold men at

1142
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: an arm's length. But I will also say that you

1143
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: and I do have a lot of Samantha esque qualities,

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01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: even if we're not Samantha. And every time I take

1145
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: a quiz, do get Samantha even though I know I'm

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01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: a Miranda. Well, you know, I think next week we'll

1147
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about if any of our

1148
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: hypotheses about and just like that came true, And next

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01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: week we will be talking about a truly one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite holiday movies Last Holiday starring Queen Latifa Canon

1151
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: and we will be having Ira Madison, the third Queen

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Speaker 1: Latifa Expert, to come on in and give us a

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01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: little holiday episode. So please, um, if you have never

1154
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: seen it, watch Last Holiday, pay for it if you must.

1155
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: You can call to confess a thing that you just

1156
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: are so obsessed with. You have to show your best

1157
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: friend what it is. You can call us at three

1158
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: to three pennants that is three to three seven three

1159
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: six to six to three. Also, please um tweet us

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Speaker 1: your thoughts about this week's episode. I want to hear.

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Speaker 1: Are you a Samantha or you a Charlotte? Are your Miranda?

1162
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: Are you a Carry? Are you a Stanford? Are you

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01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: a funky spunk guy? Who you know? Who are you?

1164
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm the funky spunk guy. I also will say we've

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Speaker 1: been getting a lot of great reviews on Apple podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Please keep leaving them. I'm Rose Damn You. You can

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Speaker 1: find me online at Rose Damn You on Twitter, Instagram.

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01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm fran you can find me at Franz squish co

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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: wherever you want on social media and sub stack. You

1170
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: can subscribe to Like a Virgin anywhere you listen to

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: podcasts and please leave us a review. We really want

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Speaker 1: to hear what you think. Like a Virgin is an

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01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: I Heeart radio production. Our producer is Phoebe Unter, who

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Speaker 1: does identify as a Samantha, with support from Lindsay Hoffman,

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Speaker 1: Julian Weller, Just Cranechitch and Nikki Etre. Until next week,

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Speaker 1: See you later, Virgins Lulu, Dude, dude, dude, you really

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Speaker 1: hit that last note. Thank you so much. On the

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Speaker 1: nose