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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And the phone lines are jammed, jammed to talk paranormal

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Speaker 2: activity in the Columbia River Gorge. James Shubski stays with us,

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Speaker 2: and let's say hello too. Chris is in Milwaukee, east

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Speaker 2: of the Rockies. Chris, welcome, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks day.

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Speaker 4: But all I was just wondering if James had any

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Speaker 4: sort of experience of like a potential looking at like

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Speaker 4: artificially replicating the specific I yes, the topography of the

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Speaker 4: area MB Colorado Blake River area.

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Speaker 2: Well how would you replicate the topography? Do you mean

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Speaker 2: the magnetic fields?

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Speaker 4: Yes, That's what I'm getting at. Yeah, yeah, like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: it seems like if there is something I mean, I

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Speaker 4: guess for me, like I've called.

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Speaker 2: About Christian he dropped out a little bit there, what's that? Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: your your phone dropped a little bit. Let me just

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Speaker 2: get James in here. I'm not sure you know how

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Speaker 2: you would replicate this. You mentioned, you know, the god helmet.

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Speaker 2: My professor person grew up at Laurentian University here in Ontario.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really interesting proposition. So I think it's

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Speaker 3: a field that's kind of wide open. You know, doctor

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Speaker 3: Persinger was sort of working with a different model of

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Speaker 3: how the mind works than many of the prevailing scientists.

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately doctor person is no longer with us, and

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Speaker 3: so his work has been It's one of those things

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Speaker 3: that is remarkable and astonishing, and it's sort of left

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Speaker 3: the rest of the scientific community sort of scratching their heads.

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Speaker 3: They weren't quite sure what to do with it. But

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Speaker 3: I think that like if you look back at seventeen fifty,

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Speaker 3: no one understood electricity, and there's Benjamin Franklin, he's out

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Speaker 3: in his front yard flying a kite during a lking storm.

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Speaker 3: Everyone thinks he's a total whack job. Fast forward to

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Speaker 3: the two thousands, and you know he was trying to

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Speaker 3: understand the contours of electricity. And now electricity is a

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Speaker 3: force that we completely understand and have harnessed and it's

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Speaker 3: changed the world. And I think, you know, to me,

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Speaker 3: what makes studying, you know, these reports so fascinating is that,

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Speaker 3: like big sciences believe it or not, always the last

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Speaker 3: one to know. Like the scientific process is such that

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Speaker 3: you need to have, you know, verifications and all these

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Speaker 3: other kind of things. But It always starts with observations

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Speaker 3: in the field. And those observations in the field are

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Speaker 3: going to be from people who aren't scientists at all.

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Speaker 3: They're going to be from people like my customers who

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Speaker 3: walk in with a really crazy story or I shouldn't

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Speaker 3: say crazy, a crazy sounding story that doesn't make any

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Speaker 3: sense of what we understand, and you think about like

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Speaker 3: even electricity, you know, two three hundred years ago, those

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Speaker 3: stories sounded crazy as well. And what your collar is

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Speaker 3: talking about, I think is really kind of an exciting

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Speaker 3: new frontier of science. Like if we could start to

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Speaker 3: understand exactly what these magnetic fields are like, if there

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Speaker 3: was a way to measure them and begin to see

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Speaker 3: how they interact with the human brain and try to

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Speaker 3: replicate them, would we begin to understand that they are

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Speaker 3: a whole vast vistas of phenomenon that are occurring that

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Speaker 3: we don't normally see because we're not perceptually tuned to it.

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Speaker 3: I think your user, your listener has got a really

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Speaker 3: fascinating insight in sort of how you take this to

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Speaker 3: the next level. Sure, we've got these sort of anecdotal reports.

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Speaker 3: They're the front lines. That's sort of the frontier of

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Speaker 3: people having these experiences, and people have been having these

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Speaker 3: experiences for tens of thousands of years. And if we

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Speaker 3: could get some really solid scientific understanding of what these

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Speaker 3: fields are like and how they're interacting with the sort

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Speaker 3: of wind and our human biology, I think we could

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Speaker 3: crack open a whole new field of study. So very

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Speaker 3: astute insight by your listener there.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for the call. Let's say hi

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Speaker 2: to DJ in Santa Ana, California.

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Speaker 1: DJ.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Coast to coast.

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Speaker 5: Thank you Richard, Thanks taking the call.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating.

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Speaker 5: Guess you're really enjoying your stories. My grandfo my father

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Speaker 5: grew up in Cascade Locks, so just.

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Speaker 3: Thing, Oh that's right across reference from me. Awesome, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And my grandfather worked at the fish entery at

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Speaker 5: the dam Bonneville, and my grandma worked as a toll

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Speaker 5: taker on the Bridge of the Gods. And tell me

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Speaker 5: a story about she was.

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Speaker 3: You know, she was not a.

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Speaker 5: Believer or anything like that. It was back in the

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Speaker 5: early fifties. But she saw something in the UFO. She said,

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Speaker 5: it looks someone like a as that a blimp coming

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Speaker 5: nothing of any kind of structure she'd ever seen before.

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Speaker 5: And she even called security and said, hey, there's there's

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Speaker 5: some unidentified object heading here. I'm afraid you can hit

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Speaker 5: the bridge or even you know, go further up, hit

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Speaker 5: the disappeared to sort of disappeared for it, and she

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Speaker 5: she never had an explanation. Security didn't even reported back

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Speaker 5: to her, you were update or anything. So I've always

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Speaker 5: been curious that there's like a lot of activity around

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Speaker 5: that time around the dam in that area. There is,

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Speaker 5: especially for U, a p UFO kind of activity.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have. And wow, well it's great because

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Speaker 3: like you're talking about my back, like I drive across

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Speaker 3: the Bridge of the Gods all the time. This is

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Speaker 3: a few miles from my house. Yeah, so this whole

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Speaker 3: a few people talking about. So what the listener is

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Speaker 3: mentioning is there's this thing called the Bridge of the Gods.

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Speaker 3: It's a one hundred year old bridge. It's a beautiful structure.

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Speaker 3: And then right beyond that is the Bonneville Dam, and

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Speaker 3: so the Columbia River has got fourteen hydro electric dams.

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Speaker 3: They produce forty four percent of all the hydro electric

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Speaker 3: power in the whole United States. It's enough energy to

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Speaker 3: power a city decides to Seattle and seven more just

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Speaker 3: like it. And the Bonneville Dam is the last dam

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Speaker 3: Huge power generation, numerous transmission lines, you know, the towers

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Speaker 3: and the transition land to go out of there. And

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Speaker 3: it's exciting to hear your your is it your mother

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Speaker 3: who had this report? Because our grandmother, my grandmother a kid,

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Speaker 3: probably yeah, And that's you know, just you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty thirty years after the dam was built. But

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Speaker 3: we have had numerous really interesting stories glowing lights that

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Speaker 3: dam from Beacon Rock, and we've had numerous orb stories there.

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Speaker 3: But the whole gorge we've had, you know, reports of

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Speaker 3: So yeah, really cool. I'm excited that your mother was

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Let's say hi to Catherine in Canada near the Washington border. Catherine,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Coast.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 6: Hi, oh James. I'm so glad to talk to you here.

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Speaker 6: I've always wondered this. I live between you know, Lyndon

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Speaker 6: there's a marsh there on zero Avenue and just if

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Speaker 6: you go north there about thirty streets, there's about this

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Speaker 6: basement suite and the backyard was like just I've never

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Speaker 6: is this all hidden? And so I'm going, Okay, there

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Speaker 6: must been massive earthquake or something go on here. And

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Speaker 6: I'm just wondering if the Glacier flood, if that came

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Speaker 6: did that I don't know. I've always wondered. And I

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Speaker 6: which is nowhere near the ocean.

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Speaker 2: All right, James, what do you make of all this?

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Speaker 3: So during the ice Age that you're part of, Washington

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Speaker 3: not impacted by the floods, but you are on what's

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Speaker 3: called there's a fault line that is running right through

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Speaker 7: Well, anyway, there's yeah, up by Vancouver, there's a fault

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Speaker 7: the Olympic Wallawa Liniment, and it is this sort of

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Speaker 3: kinds of mystery. Geologists scratches their heads about it. But

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Speaker 3: in that area there have been enormous earthquakes, like nine

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Speaker 3: point zero earthquakes, and you have uplifts in that area

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Speaker 3: obviously the whole Silvergrauth West is seismically active, but your

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Speaker 2: Occurred out there, oh that long ago? All right, yeah, Catherine, great, great,

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Speaker 2: great call.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Let me try and squeeze one more in here if

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Speaker 2: I can. First time caller Steve is in northern California,

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Speaker 2: near San Francisco. Steve, Good morning, sir, tie Steve.

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, Yes, yeah, yeah, I've been up I have

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Speaker 8: a friend who I met northern California. We were both

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Speaker 8: in a wine industry and she was born and raised there.

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Speaker 8: In fact, you might know her, so I'm sure she's

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Speaker 8: been in your store and stuff, and she lived.

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Speaker 4: In a lysle Oh.

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Speaker 8: We actually we actually, I don't know, well, we actually

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Speaker 8: saw George when he was up.

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Speaker 3: At the Dolls. Actually yeah, yeah, yeah, did you.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you went to that show. But anyway,

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Speaker 8: I don't think I've ever run into you, but my

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Speaker 8: friend has. I'm sure you might know Kelly.

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Speaker 3: Johnson. She's familiar all this stuff.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you probably better, but uh uh yeah, that area

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Speaker 8: is very interesting area if I love hiking up there

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Speaker 8: and doing you know, going through there. Been up there

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Speaker 8: I have a kind of industry kind of the same

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Speaker 8: hypothesis the other collar had in regards to the magnetic

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Speaker 8: an anono.

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Speaker 3: I can't even talk.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think there's uh something

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Speaker 8: going on. But with the with that magnetic rock that

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Speaker 8: definitely affects the brain.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know that's games theory. Yeah, that's what James

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Speaker 2: was saying exactly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Uh, I don't know. It's really interesting. There's you know,

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Speaker 8: people see you know, lights on the horizon when there's earthquakes.

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Speaker 8: You know, the rocks are under tremendous pressure. There's probably

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Speaker 8: some kind of piezo electric phenomenon going on with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I think, yeah, I think that. I don't know, that's

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Speaker 8: my hypothesis. I think, like you say, the magnetite and

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Speaker 8: people's brains to animals' brains probably get affected. I just

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Speaker 8: wonder do you ever see do you ever see like

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Speaker 8: dead animals or carcasses up in the rocks or in

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Speaker 3: You know, really interesting story. We had a Sasquatch report.

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Speaker 3: This woman was on how We fourteen, So this is

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Speaker 3: you know, probably out of seven miles from the store,

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Speaker 3: there's an area of five tunnels they run right through

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Speaker 3: some of this those layers that have been tilted by

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Speaker 3: volcanic activity. And her family was fishing out there. They

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Speaker 3: and rocks were being thrown over their head into the lake,

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Speaker 3: and so they thought it was someone messing with them.

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Speaker 3: So they went around to check it out and they

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Speaker 3: saw a dead elk with its neck cracked, and the

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Speaker 3: kill was so fresh that this animal was still scheaming.

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Speaker 3: And then they found these sort of giant footsteps like

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Speaker 3: in the scree rocks. A scree is a gravel slope

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Speaker 3: that were enormous, you know, like the twenty inch type

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Speaker 3: of footprints, as this something had sort of sidestepped down

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Speaker 3: this thing. And so that was one story. You know,

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Speaker 3: you talk about this idea of dead animals. This was

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Speaker 3: what appears to have been a fresh sasquatch kill, and

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Speaker 3: we think that he was trying to scare this family

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Speaker 3: away so that he could do it, you know, eat

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