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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio Brandon.

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Speaker 2: In some ways, Skinwalker Ranch exists as sort of an

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Speaker 2: island unto itself in the UFO world. I want to

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Speaker 2: get your take on the larger UFO community that exists

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Speaker 2: beyond separate from the Ranch. I've seen your immense reservoir

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Speaker 2: of patients dealing with and responding to harsh critics and

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Speaker 2: debunkers on social media, and I sometimes wonder how does

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Speaker 2: he do that? Because I couldn't stand it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: I was one.

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Speaker 3: So it helps that I actually understand exactly where people

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Speaker 3: are coming from because it you know, for a period

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Speaker 3: of time, I was a very hardened skeptic. So I

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Speaker 3: understand the uh, the concerns, and I have I have

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Speaker 3: a lot of empathy for people who who express those concerns.

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Speaker 3: I also observe a lot of and you've seen it too.

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Speaker 3: There's there are a lot of con artists, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of bs up there, and people that prey on

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Speaker 3: goal ability of others. I mean the countless YouTube channels

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Speaker 3: devoted to just garbage, fraudulent UFO and supernatural type topics,

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Speaker 3: and that it unfortunately muddies the water and ends up

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Speaker 3: degrading things, diluting the effort. And right now that I

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Speaker 3: mean those those type of efforts that are just outright

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Speaker 3: fraud just pissed me off because it undermines the truly

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Speaker 3: legitimate research and scientific investigation that we're doing. One thing

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Speaker 3: that is concerning about some aspects of the greater enthusiasts

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Speaker 3: or the UFO community out there, is that they seem

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Speaker 3: to eat their their own I've seen a pattern over

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Speaker 3: the last few years, especially since I came out and

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Speaker 3: went public. They I think some of the the most

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Speaker 3: counterproductive efforts are within the community itself. I mean, who

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Speaker 3: needs who needs enemies when you've got when you've got

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Speaker 3: people like this, I mean, it's unfortunate. Instead of supporting

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Speaker 3: each other in many respects, I think the community has

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Speaker 3: a has a tendency to eat its own young before

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Speaker 3: they even get out of the gates. And that's because

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Speaker 3: there's been a lot of unfortunate abuse out there. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't negate the fact that these topics are real, that

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Speaker 3: it's happening. It's happening right above us in our skies

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Speaker 3: and in our backyards and even in our homes. But

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's uh, it's quite a journey, you know.

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Speaker 2: Some of it, I think is just people are angry

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Speaker 2: at themselves, at the world in general, at UFOs or

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Speaker 2: anything that they don't like. They just need to lash

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Speaker 2: out at someone. And then there's a few of those

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Speaker 2: folks that I suspect are working for someone. You must

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Speaker 2: have had your own suspicions. I mean, we'll talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit more about military and intelligence community interests in

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Speaker 2: the ranch, but you know who we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Here and there, Yeah, disinformation. Yeah, there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of unfortunately, disinformation agents, people who are are actively working

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Speaker 3: for probably very organized efforts within the government or within

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Speaker 3: the military industrial complex that are purposely trying to discredit

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Speaker 3: these topics and people involved with these topics in order

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Speaker 3: to wage war with this disinformation campaign. I think continuing

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Speaker 3: to lull the masses into this false narrative that there's

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Speaker 3: nothing to be seen here, folks, just move along is

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Speaker 3: unfortunate as well. I think people are ready for the truth.

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Speaker 3: People are ready to know the reality of what is

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Speaker 3: happening in our skies, what is happening in our reality

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Speaker 3: in our lives that defies the traditional conventional narrative.

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Speaker 2: Well, how would you characterize military or government interest in

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Speaker 2: week and was asked this question, Well, isn't all this

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Speaker 2: just done by the military to confuse people? And I'm thinking, Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's some pretty cool technology if our military really does

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Speaker 2: have it. But it's been going on an awfully long

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Speaker 2: time for any individual program. And I know that the

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Speaker 2: Defense Intelligence Agency did have a Skinwalker ranch as part

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Speaker 2: of a larger project, and that there have been overflights

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Speaker 2: during your time on the property. There are people watching it.

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Speaker 2: How would you characterize official government interest in it? Not

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no question we continue to experience covert military

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Speaker 3: surveillance in the midst of our investigation and over the property.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've We've seen the National Science Foundation's golf

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Speaker 3: Stream five jet conducting very very unusual survey work at

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Speaker 3: forty five thousand feet above the property. We've seen Blackhawk helicopters,

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Speaker 3: unmarked Blackhawk helicopters not transponding, descend over the ranch late

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Speaker 3: at night during a a no fly advisory, where when

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Speaker 3: we are conducting experiments and really kind of posing a

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Speaker 3: very menacing presence. We've seen countless army chinnook helicopters, special

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Speaker 3: we're talkings of millions of dollars worth of military assets

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Speaker 3: And it's only underscoring how important our work must be

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Speaker 3: to be capturing that kind of attention. It's disturbing to

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Speaker 3: the team. To be honest with you, some of this

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Speaker 3: activity is threatening. It's really intimidating. Sometimes it's just curious

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Speaker 3: that it seems to show up right in the middle

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Speaker 2: In a sense, it's almost confirmation, backhanded confirmation you're onto

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Speaker 2: something because they're watching you. They're interested enough to know

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Speaker 2: something is real there, or they wouldn't be wasting their time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, when you have the state attorney general, the

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Speaker 3: and he's essentially told to back off and quit asking questions,

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Speaker 3: you know you're you know you're onto something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can answer this or want

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Speaker 2: had proposals for partners? Hey, you know, we have a

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Speaker 2: lot of equipment on our disposal. We're so and so

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Speaker 2: in DC or Langley. We could really help you out

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Speaker 2: if you'll let us in.

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Speaker 3: Well. To be honest, George, I have no interest, no

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Speaker 3: interest in partnering with the government. I don't want any

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Speaker 3: money from any government enterprise or any enterprise that would

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Speaker 3: potentially undermine or compromise the integrity of this effort. I

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Speaker 3: believe keeping it as an independent, private sector research program

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Speaker 3: is the highest It presents the highest likelihood of presenting

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Speaker 3: disclosure to the public, and is you've heard me stayed

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Speaker 3: over the course of the last few years. I really

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Speaker 3: look at my ownership as a stewardship. I believe I

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Speaker 3: have a responsibility to present our findings. I think we're

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Speaker 3: all in this together. And as much as I want

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Speaker 3: my reputation on the line in service to that, I

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Speaker 3: believe the stewardship calls for a collaboration with the public

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Speaker 1: So I think people.

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Speaker 3: Can count on that, and I have no interest in

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Speaker 2: So much what you and your team do out there

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Speaker 2: is an attempt to document it in a physical way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in essence, you are poking the bear. You'll

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Speaker 2: fly into a zone and see if you can measure something.

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Speaker 2: You drill into the mesa and look and see what happen.

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Speaker 2: Weapons and our physical measurable results, right correct, Well, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think it's a coincidence that at times when we're

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Speaker 3: conducting digging activity there on the ranch and disturbing the earth,

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Speaker 3: that we've had individuals. I mean, we had our caretaker

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, and we saw, you know,

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Speaker 3: simultaneous with some of that digging activity. I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's a coincidence that we see UFO or UAP activity

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Speaker 3: correlate or correspond with electromagnetic anomalies, with acute medical episodes

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Speaker 3: and other events. I think it is all interrelated and

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Speaker 3: it it calls for a high degree of caution and care.

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Speaker 3: There's a reason why we've we've we have uped the

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Speaker 3: security and also require our people to carry equipment with

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Speaker 3: them meters in order to monitor what is happening. And

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Speaker 3: we've had so many incidents where we've had to evacuate

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Speaker 3: midst of activity and research because of some of these

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Speaker 3: elevated readings, and we're trying to be as vigilant as

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Speaker 2: You know, people haven't been there, haven't experienced it for themselves.

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Speaker 2: They can watch it on TV ands out, that can't

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Speaker 2: be real. It must be some kind of trick. They're

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Speaker 2: pulling something for the sake of a TV show. But

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Speaker 2: when you see it up close and experience it and

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Speaker 2: talk to other people and experienced it, it's a different matter.

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Speaker 2: It's real. It's been going on a long time, and

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact that you guys don't have a

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Speaker 2: preconceived idea what it is. You're just trying to gather

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's a reason why we bring third party, independent,

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Speaker 3: credentialed experts to be involved with every aspect of our

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Speaker 3: investigation and these experiments. We don't take our word for it.

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Speaker 3: I mean you can take the word of countless experts

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Speaker 3: in the process of conducting the research. People people take

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Speaker 3: great risk to come out and engage with our team,

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Speaker 3: and it's all in service to getting the answers.

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Speaker 2: George, you're just back from the ranch. You got a briefing.

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Speaker 2: Can you give us a hint without giving away too

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Speaker 2: much about your upcoming season, what we're about to see

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Speaker 2: or what we're about to learn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're going to see You're going to see

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Speaker 3: us peel back the curtain that much more. In the

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Speaker 3: our season six effort. You know, I think it's sixteen

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Speaker 3: quite shocked at some of the revelations that come forward.

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Speaker 3: And it's from from a wide range of experiments, wide

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Speaker 3: range of experiences and strange activity on this ranch. I

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Speaker 3: think you're going to find it validating. George, you were

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Speaker 3: you were a trailblazer. I mean, going back to what

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Speaker 3: two thousand and five, you wrote the book Hunt for

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Speaker 3: the Skinwalker, given permission by my predecessor, Robert Bigelow, to

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Speaker 3: go public with the reality of the scientific research on

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Speaker 3: this very unusual five hundred and twelve acre piece of

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Speaker 3: I think you can. You can expect to see some

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Speaker 3: of your your reporting and work to some degree validated,

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Speaker 3: I believe, in the months ahead. And it's it's shocking.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm licking my chops here. I'm rubbing my hands together.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait which one of those crazy stories turns

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Speaker 2: out to be have some support to it. I wonder

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Speaker 2: if you thought far enough ahead on whether you want

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Speaker 2: to answer this. Let's say, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: your attention is focused on the MESA, as it should be,

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Speaker 2: because it seems like something's coming out dominating them there,

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Speaker 2: and you've you've drilled in, You've got some samples of

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Speaker 2: something that seems unusual. Let's say it turns out there

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Speaker 2: is a manufactured object, a large manufactured object in there.

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Speaker 2: Do you dig in, dig up the mesa and pull

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what we've been that's what we've been doing

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Speaker 3: to a degree. But we've we've had to exercise great caution.

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Speaker 3: I think people sometimes forget that that you don't want

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Speaker 3: to damage or destroy the very thing that you wish

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Speaker 3: to study. If there is some technology, if there's some mechanism,

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Speaker 3: in that mesa, or let's say it's who knows, a stargate,

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Speaker 3: the space time anomalies on the property, and so many

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Speaker 3: so we are having to shift into this being more

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Speaker 3: up the mason being too aggressive. One thing that is sobering, though, George,

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Speaker 3: was going to be an easy effort, a very straightforward effort,

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Speaker 3: are experts that have drilled through granite, that have been

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Speaker 3: if not the planet, and they come out to Skinwalker

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wish them no ill, but I

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Speaker 2: have to chuckle sometimes when I see that kind of

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Speaker 2: stuff happen, because they go in thinking I'll get this

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Speaker 2: done here real quick, and then the look comes over

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Speaker 2: their face and realize they're up against something that they

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Speaker 2: had not been able to figure out.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe maybe the Native Americans were onto something when

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Speaker 3: they called it skin Walker Rich when they said that

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Speaker 3: this was in the path of you know, this the

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