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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Was a little girl, just fourteen years old, sex trafficked

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Speaker 2: from a museum tour. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us tonight.

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Speaker 3: New Orleans PD desperately searching for a missing child, Christal,

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Speaker 3: just fourteen. Christall is five to two, has black hair

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Speaker 3: with blonde tips and brown eyes. Last scene wearing a

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Speaker 3: blue yoga jumpsuit with a black Harley pullover layered on top.

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Speaker 2: This little girl is just fourteen years old and she's

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Speaker 2: on a group tour with other children of a New

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Speaker 2: Orleans museum. Look at Cristal, last saying, wearing this longsleeve

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Speaker 2: shirt with a little crop over it. Cute as a button. Long,

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Speaker 2: dark hair, brunette with the tips honeyblonde.

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Speaker 1: Look at her.

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Speaker 2: She's wearing that jumpsuit you see her in There is

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Speaker 2: an earlier picture before her hair grew out. Big smile,

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Speaker 2: beautiful girl. Where is Christal? And how in the hey

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Speaker 2: does she get sex trafficked? The fear of police from

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Speaker 2: a local museum. Joining me in all star panel. But

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Speaker 2: first I'm gonna go to Lynn Shaw. Lynn is the

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Speaker 2: founder and executive director of Lynn's Warriors dedicated to ending

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Speaker 2: sex trafficking, especially of children. You know what, Lynn, Every

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Speaker 2: time I have to go to the airport, which is

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Speaker 2: a lot more than I want, there are big signs

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Speaker 2: that say we're fighting sex trafficking, right, but hey, it's

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Speaker 2: still happening. Sex trafficking of children particular occurs in big

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Speaker 2: venues like airports, like stadiums, like museums, and it's literally

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Speaker 2: happening right under our noses. We're right there when it happens,

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Speaker 2: but nobody understands what they're seeing.

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Speaker 1: Explain it.

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Speaker 4: That's the beauty of it, Nancy. The predators know this.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's paying attention. For instance, one of the biggest trafficking sites,

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Speaker 4: and nobody wants to believe this. Are places like Great

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Speaker 4: Adventure or Disney World where you have a lot of families,

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Speaker 4: a lot of kids. Kids are being exchanged in the restrooms,

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Speaker 4: and also people. It's dark, it's ugly. We have to

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Speaker 4: face the reality. Most people say they don't want to

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Speaker 4: get involved. They're afraid of being held accountable for something,

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Speaker 4: so they just don't say anything. I can't tell you, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: how many people have said to me I saw something

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Speaker 4: last year. I should have said something, I should have

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Speaker 4: done something. So wherever there's chaos, crowds, lots of people,

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Speaker 4: you can get away with all of this. But again,

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Speaker 4: you can hang all the signs you want in bus

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Speaker 4: stations and I see them all over the airports as

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Speaker 4: well in train stations. But you know what, unless somebody

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Speaker 4: can also identify and understand the protocol, like we have

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Speaker 4: to teach Americans right now, these are the steps. This

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Speaker 4: is a national crisis. So many kids are just disappearing

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Speaker 4: right under our noses. As you said, we have to

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Speaker 4: all be trained in what to do if you think

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Speaker 4: you think you see or hear something. And also you

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Speaker 4: will not be held accountable. Better to be safe than sorry,

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Speaker 4: jorning me.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Lynn Shaw with Lynn's Warriors is Don Schiller.

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Speaker 2: Dawn is an expert in human trafficking, and I'd like

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Speaker 2: to point out is a former trafficking victim. Don Schiller,

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Speaker 2: back her up, explain what we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with Lynn on too many children. A

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Speaker 5: lot of children are going missing these days, and nobody

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Speaker 5: pays attention. We don't get the media exposure that it needs.

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Speaker 5: There are too many to be playing these stories every day.

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Speaker 5: They would be playing continuously over and over and over

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Speaker 5: again if we kept up with them in the media.

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Speaker 5: The truth is the communities need to know what to

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Speaker 5: do and they need to be more aware.

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Speaker 2: Don Schuller joining us expert in anti trafficking and trafficking

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Speaker 2: victim herself.

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Speaker 1: Don, what happened in your case?

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Speaker 5: Well, in my case, I was a fifteen year old

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Speaker 5: neighbor in the same apartment complex as the manager, and

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Speaker 5: he also happened to be a thirty two year old

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Speaker 5: porn actor who immediately saw me and started grooming me.

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Speaker 5: And that's the process for a lot of these youth

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Speaker 5: is that you start, you get groomed. He saw that

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Speaker 5: I wasn't being protected by my father. My father was disabled,

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Speaker 5: my father was a drug user, and so he stepped

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Speaker 5: but surely he groomed me into being his possession and

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Speaker 5: very soon after that ended up selling me over and

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Speaker 5: over again in multiple different ways.

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Speaker 1: How old were you dog when this happened.

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Speaker 5: I was fifteen years old when I met him. And

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Speaker 5: I would like to point out too that it's really

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Speaker 5: difficult for people to see a teenager fourteen, fifteen, sixteen

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Speaker 5: years of therapy and not blaming myself for my own

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Speaker 5: abuse and trafficking experience, I was. I finally understood that, yes,

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Speaker 5: I was a child. He was a thirty two year

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Speaker 5: old experienced in seduction porn star who took who could.

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Speaker 1: Have had anybody he wanted.

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Speaker 5: But what he did was he laid his eyes on me,

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Speaker 5: a fifteen year old girl that didn't have anybody looking

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Speaker 5: out for her, and.

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Speaker 1: That was the issue. That's how he got in.

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Speaker 5: I did not have my basic needs met by my

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Speaker 5: guardian's parent at the time, and he saw that and

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Speaker 5: he saw his way in. And this is what predators do.

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Speaker 1: This is what exploiters do.

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Speaker 5: They see youth who don't have anybody looking out for them,

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Speaker 5: initially and gain the trust and the love what looks

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Speaker 5: like love to the youth, and then turn it around

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Speaker 2: Has a New Orleans teen been sex trafficked from a

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Speaker 2: group trip to a museum. She's with an entire group

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Speaker 2: of children. How did you just disappear from a public museum?

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Speaker 2: How many of you have allowed your children to go

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Speaker 2: on a field trip I have with their school, with

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Speaker 2: their church, with some other group of children that's being chaperoned.

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Speaker 2: I've done it plenty of times, thinking it was some

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Speaker 2: sort of enrichment for my child. Little did I know

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Speaker 2: that the child can be trafficked, sex trafficked from a

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Speaker 2: group trip, this time at a museum for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 1: But it's not by far the.

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Speaker 2: First time a child has been trafficked from a public venue.

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Speaker 6: Listen, this fifteen year old girl, when she was a

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Speaker 6: Mavericks basketball game with her dad, goes to the bathroom

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Speaker 6: for Dad's probably thought, you know, it's okay. It's right

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Speaker 6: up at the top.

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Speaker 1: Of the steps.

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Speaker 4: We're already inside. There's a lot of security around here.

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Speaker 6: She'll be fine, goes to the bathroom and never comes

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Speaker 6: back to their seats. Dad's there with his daughter. They're

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Speaker 6: there to watch a Maverick's game, supposed to be family friendly.

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Speaker 6: Just before halftime, she goes to the restroom. After ten minutes,

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Speaker 6: he's like it's a little bit too long and reports it,

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Speaker 6: and the whole second half of the game.

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Speaker 7: He's down at security, he's.

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Speaker 6: Talking to him. You know, they're looking. They don't find her. Ultimately,

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Speaker 6: they do pull a video after the game is.

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Speaker 2: Over and they see her being led out of the

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Speaker 2: MAVs stadium by adult men. Now you were just hearing

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Speaker 2: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk and the

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Speaker 2: teen girl's family lawyer.

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Speaker 1: That was Zeke Fortenbury.

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Speaker 2: This girl goes missing from a stadium full of people,

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Speaker 2: and then she's captured on surveillance video.

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Speaker 1: And she's there at the game.

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Speaker 2: With her father, a little father daughter bonding time, just

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Speaker 2: the two of them alone, doing something fun.

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Speaker 1: She goes to the bathroom next to the thing. You

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Speaker 1: know she's gone. Was she beaten? Was she dragged by

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Speaker 1: her hair? Listen, So we don't know.

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Speaker 6: What was what words were said, but she passed this

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Speaker 6: criminal in the hallway and whatever he said to her

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Speaker 6: changed her direction.

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Speaker 8: But she then.

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Speaker 6: Ultimately left that facility with him, and we don't know

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Speaker 6: what he's threatened her. Did he entice her with some

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Speaker 6: sort of things that teenage girls would be entice by. Again,

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Speaker 6: we're talking to your old adolescent.

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Speaker 2: Girl joining me as I said an All Star panel

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Speaker 2: how do you convince a fifteen year old girl to leave?

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Speaker 2: In that case, Well, it happened, and the way she

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Speaker 2: was found is very very upsetting.

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Speaker 1: She was, in fact being trafficked for sex. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get to that.

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Speaker 2: In just a moment, but first I want to go

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Speaker 2: back to our case in chief. Chrystal Canal's missing. Christal

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Speaker 2: just fourteen years old, and she's.

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Speaker 1: At a public venue.

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Speaker 2: She's at a day trip to a local museum and

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Speaker 2: now police fearing the worst that this little girl just

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Speaker 2: five to two has been sex trafficked from a public venue.

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Speaker 2: Joining me, Elaine out Athias, senior crime investigative reporter at

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Speaker 2: the Messenger.

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Speaker 1: Elaine, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 9: What happened? So on May twenty s second, Christaal was

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Speaker 9: with a group field trip, which was actually she was

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Speaker 9: in the custody of Louisiana's Department of Children and Family Services.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, wait a minute, wait, whoa wa wait, head

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Speaker 2: blowing off, head blowing off? Right now, Elaine atheis are

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Speaker 2: you telling me.

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Speaker 1: That state employees had taken.

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Speaker 2: This child to the museum with a group of children

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Speaker 2: and under their noses are their watch? This child disappears,

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Speaker 2: This little girl disappears under the noses of defacts on

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Speaker 2: a trip to a museum.

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Speaker 1: Did you just say.

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Speaker 9: That I did?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. No wonder nobody is covering this case.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to say the state screwed up. They let

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Speaker 2: this girl go missing on their trip to a museum.

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Speaker 2: What parent doesn't want the child to go learn something

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Speaker 2: at a museum? But it's a defects defacts had her okay?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Elaine.

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Speaker 9: So the details are scant. Obviously, police are not releasing

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Speaker 9: a lot. But they are saying that she quote left

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Speaker 9: the group, so we don't know what that means. Did

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Speaker 9: she go to the bathroom, did she try to make

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Speaker 9: how she left?

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Speaker 1: Aligne Do I care? Does it matter? Grip reality check.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if she went to the bathroom or

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Speaker 2: if she went to the phone.

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Speaker 1: She is g n E gone.

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Speaker 2: A fourteen year old little girl is lost somewhere in

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Speaker 2: New Orleans while she's on a tour of a museum.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, John Pizzorro joining me. Raven Ceo,

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Speaker 2: former New Jersey State Police commander of Internet Crimes against

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Speaker 2: Children and so much more.

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Speaker 1: You can find them at raven dot us.

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Speaker 2: John, how many child six trafficking cases you have handled

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Speaker 2: is probably countless, but from a public venue, help me.

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Speaker 1: It starts.

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Speaker 10: It starts like this, Nancy. It's the Internet, right, so

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Speaker 10: it doesn't matter everyone has, whether they're Instagram, whether it's Snap.

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Speaker 10: Very easy for an offender to get a hold of

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Speaker 10: an individual and groom them, and a lot of people

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Speaker 10: think grooming is just a gift. It's that conversation back

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Speaker 10: and forth that trust is easy. All she has to

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Speaker 10: say is, look, I'm going to be at a museum here,

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Speaker 10: and that's where the offender meets her. She steps out,

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Speaker 10: and then she's gone, hold your.

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Speaker 1: Horses, Bizarro.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any indication this child has been groomed.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any indication, not even a shred a

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Speaker 2: Back to that specifically as it relates to the little

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Speaker 11: Louisiana's Orleans Parish Department of Children and Family Services plans

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Speaker 11: Museum May twenty second. Among the children is Christall. Christall, fourteen,

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Speaker 9: That is actually a shocking detail, like no one notices

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Speaker 2: Basically, guys, we were talking earlier about a little girl

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Speaker 6: It's good news that she's been located and awful news

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Speaker 2: They find the little girl on a prostitution website wearing

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Speaker 1: Old little girl a joining me.

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Speaker 2: John Pizzorro RAVENCEO at Raven dot us. Former New Jersey

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Speaker 2: State Police commander of Internet Crimes against Children John explain

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 10: It's the Internet, I mean, and honestly, there's so many sites.

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Speaker 10: for people to look for that, and traffickers and offenders

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Speaker 2: It's my understanding, Elaine athis that this most likely occurred

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Speaker 2: in the World War Two museum. For whatever reason, local

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Speaker 2: My children have been there. Do you have information about

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Speaker 9: Police are not releasing details about this case. They're keeping

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Speaker 12: They know.

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Speaker 9: All they have reported is that she left the group

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Speaker 9: with you, that makes the most sense. It's a very

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean thinking about this museum and how

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Speaker 2: human trafficking, specifically of children. Lynn, this is a huge facility,

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Speaker 2: and from what I'm gleaning the chaperones from defacts, we're

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Speaker 4: Nancy, I'm actually sitting here having whiplash because I keep

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Speaker 1: No, no, no.

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Speaker 4: Hearing all of this, Why can't we get more of

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Speaker 4: John Bizero is exactly right. Things start on the internet.

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Speaker 4: Why can't we hear more about her digital footprint, her phone?

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Speaker 4: We have questions because let me point out, with all

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Speaker 4: will relay when they've ended up in any of those facilities.

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Speaker 4: They are retrafficked, revictimized. So why aren't we talking about there?

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Speaker 4: So we scant details, So why aren't we asking about

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Speaker 1: Okay? Here in New York, I see little kids.

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Speaker 4: They've got a in nursery school, they got a leader

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Speaker 4: They're doing headcounts left and right, a large museum where

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Speaker 4: at risk child. I'm not a lawyer, Nancy, you are.

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Speaker 4: Where's the civil liability here? Because I am tired of

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Speaker 4: more information because if you don't act immediately when a

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Speaker 2: Don Siler joining me, expert in anti trafficking and a

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Speaker 5: I would like to agree also that there's a lot

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Speaker 6: Was she.

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Speaker 5: Previously sexually abused and or exploited by somebody? Did she

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Speaker 4: Was there peer recruitment?

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Speaker 5: This is another thing that we look at when we

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Speaker 5: she's got you know, we know that youth is her vulnerability,

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Speaker 5: but what about any disabilities? Does she have any type

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: DCFS workers report Christall missing and New Orleans PD canvas

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Speaker 2: Not only is this a six acre campus if it

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Speaker 2: We also have the issue of camps, summer camps. There

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Speaker 2: There is the preparation for the victory bills Illuminate the night.

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Speaker 2: There is a stage door Idol happening. There's the Blue

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Speaker 1: Can show up.

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Speaker 2: Think about all the people flooding in and out for

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Speaker 1: What about predators?

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Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory joining me, psychologist, renowned psychologist who specializes

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Speaker 2: in forensic psychology, and you can find them at resolution

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Speaker 1: Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us. Think about it.

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Speaker 2: This is a pedophile's dream come true. A six acre

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Speaker 2: You think they're paying attention to these children.

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Speaker 1: That's their day off.

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Speaker 2: They're kickback having a coffee by the gift shop while

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Speaker 1: Six acre facility.

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Speaker 2: A predator, a pedophile, knows all of these camps are

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Speaker 1: Uh, Doctor Delatrey's satellite is Dan. Let me throw that

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Speaker 2: This entire six acre campus is a pedophiles dream come true.

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Speaker 4: Nancy, and especially it's the end of the school year,

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Speaker 4: so forget where Christall even came from. You've got so

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Speaker 4: You've got all kinds of kids in this museum. So

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Speaker 4: I have to ask, don't museums usually have cameras? How

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Speaker 4: the buddy system. You know, maybe one woman moderator brings

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Speaker 4: I have so many questions about this case. Again, it

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Speaker 4: it seems like and just take off. Why these moderators,

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Speaker 4: these people should be held accountable. I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: Reiterate again, why can't we have more details? Because the

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Speaker 4: faster we have details, the faster we even put the

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Speaker 4: public today on top of have you seen this child,

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Speaker 4: we will get answers. This is just a disgraceful case

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Speaker 4: in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm looking at, John Bizzarro joining me,

446
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Speaker 2: former New Jersey State Police command or Internet Crimes against

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Speaker 2: Children Unit, John, I'm looking at the layout of the

448
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Speaker 2: World War Two museum. As I said, it's six acres,

449
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Speaker 2: but there are six huge segments of them. You've got

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Speaker 2: the the Louisiana Memorial Pavilion, the Solomon Victory Theater, the

451
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Speaker 2: Campaigns of Courage, the Liberation Pavilion, the US Freedom Pavilion,

452
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Speaker 2: the Hall of Democracy, and the American Sector where one

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Speaker 2: of the restaurants is.

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Speaker 1: So not only are there.

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Speaker 2: Six huge structures, they're multiple floors to each structure, to

456
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Speaker 2: many of the structures. So she could have gone missing

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Speaker 2: anywhere in there, been led away anywhere in there. And

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Speaker 2: lin Shaw's correct, there are two hundred and seventy surveillance

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Speaker 2: cameras in that facility, but we're not hearing anything about

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Speaker 2: anybody checking for those camera potential photos of the girl

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Speaker 2: being led away, What exits she took, Did she just

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Speaker 2: walk out the front if by an emergency exit, did

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Speaker 2: it not alarm It's just very difficult for me to

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Speaker 2: believe that with nearly three hundred surveillance cameras, we can't

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Speaker 2: catch this girl being led out of the museum.

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Speaker 1: Without a question.

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Speaker 10: And two, there's technology that exists beyond the cameras. Let's

468
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Speaker 10: talk about facial recognition. Especially when we're looking for victims,

469
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Speaker 10: they should be able to do that. Forensically, there's software

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Speaker 10: that you can take and parse out all that data.

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Speaker 10: So when we talk about that digital footprint and we're

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Speaker 10: investigating that, there's a lot of data to come through,

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Speaker 10: and that's what law enforcement, I would imagine is doing

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Speaker 10: right now. But they should be able to see what

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Speaker 10: entrance someone left, and especially because it's so vast and

476
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Speaker 10: there's so many access points, you have surveillance to the cameras,

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Speaker 10: there's license plate readers outside, there's a lot of different

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Speaker 10: techniques that investigators can use that are at their disposal

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Speaker 10: to help our locate our guys.

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Speaker 1: Did I just hear Jean Pizarro state.

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Speaker 2: You'd think that police would X fill in the blanks.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 2: My entire legal career, fighting crime, I have relied on

484
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Speaker 2: police officers, sheriffs, investigators, crime lab scientists to help me

485
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Speaker 2: prosecute violent felonies.

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Speaker 1: But I want you to hear this. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Many are concerned by the apparent lack of response from

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Speaker 3: police and dcfs in the case of critically missing young

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Speaker 3: girl Cristal, The fourteen year old now missing for nearly

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Speaker 3: seven weeks, with little to no media coverage and no

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Speaker 3: updates from law enforcement or DCFS. New Orleans PD has

492
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Speaker 3: now enlisted the help of the FBI, but DCFS has

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Speaker 3: not commented on how a teen girl disappeared while under

494
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Speaker 3: their care.

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Speaker 2: Elaine Athias joining US investigative report or senior crime reporter

496
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Speaker 2: at the Messenger. Can you imagine that DEFECTS has a

497
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Speaker 2: comment on how they let a little fourteen year old

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Speaker 2: girl slip between their fingers at a public venue.

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Speaker 9: They this is completely what I would expect. You know,

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Speaker 9: as journalists, it's our job to ask questions, and I

501
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Speaker 9: always found that when you know government agencies had something

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Speaker 9: to hide, they weren't really quick with answers. And so

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Speaker 9: this is something she is literally in their care. I

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Speaker 9: agree with what was said earlier. I mean even the

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Speaker 9: most basic buddy system, you know, you do that in kindergarten.

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Speaker 9: It's like, why didn't anyone know where she was at

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Speaker 9: all times? And so it does not surprise me that

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Speaker 9: the Department agency is not commenting.

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Speaker 11: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, fourteen year old Christall now

510
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Speaker 11: missing seven weeks and no word on investigators progress, if any,

511
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Speaker 11: in finding Christall, who's now listed as a critically missing juvenile.

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Speaker 11: Anyone with information or who may have seen christall Is

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Speaker 11: asked to call New Orleans PD Special Investigations Division at

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Speaker 11: five oh four six five eight five two sixty seven.

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Speaker 2: A child disappearing right under the noses of Defects. Well,

516
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Speaker 2: it would be the first time a child disappears or worse,

517
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Speaker 2: under defects supervision.

518
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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm.

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Speaker 9: Out, man coming on in the house.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there the man, the children.

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Speaker 1: I dropped off the ken. He wouldn't let me in

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Speaker 1: the door.

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Speaker 6: Come little boys in the house and.

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Speaker 2: There's an adult man yet, get the kid and the

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Speaker 2: husband and the father. What you have?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, find be doing I think.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that would be Josh Powell and his two little boys.

529
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Speaker 2: The little boys now dead. They were hacked in the

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Speaker 2: neck with an aunt with an axe.

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Speaker 1: By daddy, the father.

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Speaker 2: Josh Powell already killed the mom, Susan Powell.

533
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Speaker 1: Nothing was done about that.

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Speaker 2: So then daddy gets supervised visit supervised by DEFECTS. Wow,

535
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Speaker 2: then how is it defacts manages to survive and the

536
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Speaker 2: two little boys are killed because Defects wasn't there.

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Speaker 8: Listen, Okay, so you're supposed to be there to supervide

538
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Speaker 8: Josh Powell with the children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crack and here's the husband knitting Powell. How

540
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Speaker 1: did the high profile he how did he get that

541
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Speaker 1: to the children?

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Speaker 9: I would want stepping back of them, walk you out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

545
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Speaker 2: The two little boys are dead and they were in

546
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Speaker 2: the care of defects.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all. Do you recall the name Serenity?

548
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Speaker 2: Serenity Dinard another child who disappears or worse in the

549
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Speaker 2: care of those entrusted to safeguard her, to make sure

550
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Speaker 2: she grows up.

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Speaker 13: Listen, it was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 13: Serenity is in the gym at the Black Hills Children's Home,

553
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Speaker 13: but two staffers and three other kids. One child causes

554
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Speaker 13: the disturbance and a staffer attends to that child. Serenity

555
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Speaker 13: then ran out of the building at a let seven am.

556
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Speaker 13: Serenity is last seen walking near the home at twelve

557
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Speaker 13: twenty six PM. A nine to one one call goes

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Speaker 13: out to the Pennington County Sheriff's Department. A deputy arrives

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Speaker 13: at twelve forty by one sixteen. The decision is made

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Speaker 13: to bring in search and rescue.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how long did that take before.

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Speaker 2: The counselors and the state workers decided to act on

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Speaker 2: the fact that they had let the child disappear.

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Speaker 1: This beautiful little girl's Serenity.

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Speaker 12: Listen, there was an eighty minute delay before nine to

566
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Speaker 12: one one was called. And that's just inexplicable. I think

567
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Speaker 12: it was a matter of you know, it was a

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Speaker 12: Super Bowl Sunday. People there were well, let's let's look

569
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Speaker 12: for her. She had run off in the past, let's

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Speaker 12: find her on our own first. But an hour and

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Speaker 12: twenty minutes really is you know that that raises a

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Speaker 12: big question mark about the judgment of those employees. Certainly,

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Speaker 12: not having you know, authorities trained in search and beginning

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Speaker 12: a widespread search immediately or as soon as possible was

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Speaker 12: a big mistake.

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Speaker 2: The Black Hill's Children's Home, I'm very familiar with it now.

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Speaker 2: After Serenity Dinard disappears from the home ground she's never

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Speaker 2: been seen again. Intimately familiar with that case is Lynn Shaw,

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Speaker 2: founder and director Lynz Warriors.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you recall the Serenity Denard case.

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Speaker 4: Lynn, Yes, because I joined you to discuss that case

582
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Speaker 4: on the program. I want to say something. All of

583
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Speaker 4: my inbox every day, my emails one after the other

584
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Speaker 4: of missing children, not adults, We're talking children, including babies, infants,

585
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Speaker 4: one after the other. I am inundated on a daily basis,

586
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Speaker 4: seven days a week. I think it's fair to say,

587
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Speaker 4: with all of this going on, all of the discussion,

588
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Speaker 4: all of this mismanagement, our precious children are at risk.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to point out again I believe this is

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Speaker 4: a national crisis, and I believe all of these systems

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Speaker 4: for years, Nancy, I'm hearing this doesn't work with Theartment

592
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: of Social Services Kids Families. We don't have resources, we

593
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: don't have man woman power enough enough. In twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: we need to blow up this system. Start from the

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Speaker 4: ground up, get vetted employees who are passionate about children.

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Speaker 4: And this is where moneys should be spent, because all

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Speaker 4: I'm seeing is it's escalating every single hour of every

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Speaker 4: day and there's no follow up. We do thank Goodness

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Speaker 4: for your program because you stay on it and you

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Speaker 4: follow up on these children. Because I don't see many

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Speaker 4: other people doing anything about any of this.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the Black Killed Children's Home website,

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Speaker 2: our mission to prevent, treat and heal trauma, This little

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Speaker 2: Serenity Gennard goes missing from the home and they wait

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Speaker 2: nearly two hours before they even call in a missing person.

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Speaker 1: She's never been found again.

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Speaker 2: We have talked about Josh Powell's children being murdered while

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Speaker 2: DEFACTS was supposed to be supervising them. We have talked

609
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Speaker 2: about Serenity Dinard missing I'm sure now dead under the

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Speaker 2: care of the Black Hills Children Home. But what about

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Speaker 2: Harmony Montgomery.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 11: February of twenty nineteen, Harmony's father, Adam Montgomery, was awarded

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Speaker 11: custody by the Juvenile Court of Massachusetts. Harmony Montgomery was

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Speaker 11: last seen by her biological mother, Crystal Story, Easter twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 11: In November twenty twenty one, Crystal Story calls police and

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Speaker 11: tells them about Harmony and how she can't find her.

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Speaker 11: Even though Harmony Montgomery had been in and out of

619
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Speaker 11: foster care for most of her short life, a judge

620
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Speaker 11: placed her with her father, and now nobody, including DCF,

621
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Speaker 11: seems to know what happened to her or where she is.

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Speaker 14: She was kidnapped and held against her will for three

623
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Speaker 14: hundred and ninety nine days. He starved her, he tortured her,

624
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Speaker 14: he assaulted her in every way that you can imagine.

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Speaker 14: He kept her in a dog cage for days and

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Speaker 14: days at a time. He treated her. The way that

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Speaker 14: he treated her was inhuman. It is so hard for

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Speaker 14: me to even imagine the treatment that she received.

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Speaker 2: You are hearing Shauna Burns speaking out after her daughter

630
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Speaker 2: Haley was kidnapped and held captive and sex assaulted and starved.

631
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Speaker 1: It should be a.

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Speaker 2: Warning, but apparently Defects didn't hear about that. Adjoining me

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Speaker 2: is John Pisorro. I'm very concerned John, about how this

634
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Speaker 2: child that we're talking about tonight, Gristal's case has gotten

635
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Speaker 2: a little or no coverage. We're not getting any updates

636
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Speaker 2: from local police. We're also not being told even the

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Speaker 2: museum from which she disappeared. I guess that's top secret too.

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Speaker 2: I would think other parents would want to know that

639
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Speaker 2: that's the museum where the little girl went missing, but

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Speaker 2: we can't even get that out of the police. No.

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Speaker 10: And I think that's part of the problem, right. So,

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00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 10: I think what's happening is that there's not a lot

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Speaker 10: of information and a lot of these cases, for whatever reason,

644
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 10: they don't garn our attention. And I think it's problematic

645
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 10: is because a lot of these state agencies that are

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00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 10: supposed to protect the children in their care do not

647
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 10: take the adequate steps. I know in my experience that

648
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Speaker 10: we've run into that time and time and again, where

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Speaker 10: the Division of Youth and Family Services type agencies which

650
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 10: are supposed to watch children actually don't. And I think

651
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Speaker 10: that's part of the problem. And there's no information there,

652
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Speaker 10: and I think there is in lies.

653
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: The problem is this little girl just to throw away.

654
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Speaker 2: No police updates, no information about her case.

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Speaker 1: Nothing. Christal is gone.

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00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: That's all we know. While in the care of defects.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know information on this

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Speaker 2: little girl's whereabouts?

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Speaker 1: Is she dead? Is she alive?

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Speaker 2: Where is she? We haven't heard a word from her parents.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't even track them down. Do they even care? Five

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Speaker 2: zero four six ' five eight five two six seven

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.